The Last Bass Outpost
Main Forums => The Bass Zone => Topic started by: nofi on February 29, 2016, 08:40:53 AM
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got this from tb. my question is who buys these things. i have never seen them in a band situation or anywhere except you tube. may i see one one in a smooth jazz / fusion situation? luckily, i will never know. i do know the tb guys get all wet over these expensive basses. you can include
mtd in there. maybe a ritter, too. only 4k for this baby. ish. :sad:
http://fodera.com/monarch-p/
the tb guys seem to worship this kind of stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY6Fgda55NQ
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Was that video filmed in the '80s or is that genre of music stuck, tragically, in the '80s? Was that filmed at a Talkbass meetup last year? A good chunk of Talkbass behaves as though the clock stopped in 1985, and all new gear has to basically serve and enhance that sort of music. It does nothing for me, personally.
I was going to write more, and uses phrases like 'faux worldly' and 'unwarranted hegemony', but I've run out of motivation early on this one.
The Fodera Monarch P just shows that if you build Bass X for ever you can't really pare it down and build Bass Y. Either that or Vinnie has noticed that all his boomer-doctor clientele are buying old P basses now. Either that or the Super-P is the new Super-J, and nobody knows it yet.
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I made it to the one minute mark. Do I get a prize?
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Idk much about Foderas. They seem to be well made basses that suite the needs of a certain niche of bass players. It's just as easy to scoff at Alembics as well but if there are those who are willing to pay for them, what's the point in disparaging the companies from charging what they choose. I'm curious to see what kind of comments would come from a Tb thread critical of the outpost. I'm sure we seem just as outlandish to some of the folks over there.
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I'm not criticizing Foderas. Don't know much about them and don't know much about who plays them. Alain Caron could play what he was playing there on just about any bass and it would sound just as bad to me.
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Very percussive. Amazing how you can use an instrument that is intended to provide notes for a whole lot of atonal clatter too. Like playing melodies on a drum set, just the other way around. Brilliant.
Herr Caron is rhythmically precise, I'll give him that. What a pity, he didn't take up playing congas. An opportunity lost.
To his defense: The above vid is from 1991. These days he looks and plays like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFpPPLQS7KA
Mature jazz rock - with more than a bow to Weather Report me thinks. Oui, he still slaps. But only un peu, mon Dieu!
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I had a wee chuckle the other day. A comment was made about the new Ampeg DI-box thingy, and somebody remarked that it didn't have a speaker/cabinet simulator built in. This was bad, because some bassists use full-range amplification systems these days.
So... you have a bespoke, highly efficient, full-bandwidth bass rig, and you want it to sound like an Ampeg head and 810 cab?!??!?!!?!?!
I'm reminded of those guitarists that do everything to get the Marshall tone, but don't buy Marshall amps.
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And then there are the ones that try to extract from their Marshall rig something other than a Marshall tone. Condemned to failure of course. ;D
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It was tolerable with the sound off - I'm at work ;)
I just can't excited about that stuff, I don't need to hear it to know either. Soulless wanking for the sake of it, no thanks.
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I'm sure there is some quality hippie-sandwich woodworking going in to their basses but the designs all look like uninspired blobs to me. Of course, I'm also certain that they guys who love Fodera's would tell me Thunderbirds are neck-diving junk with one-trick-pony tone but I love mine.
To each their own :-\
The only thing I read on TB anymore are the funny picture thread and Mark's TB club. ;)
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So... you have a bespoke, highly efficient, full-bandwidth bass rig, and you want it to sound like an Ampeg head and 810 cab?!??!?!!?!?!
Hey I resemble that remark! :)
Sort of. I don't actually want to sound like an Ampeg head and 810. An SVT + fridge is a mighty thing indeed ... and I've always wanted to experience a Hiwatt stack in person at least once just to know what it's really like ... and I love the growl and overdrive of classic tube rigs, but I'm too old (and never was strong enough) to lug them around ... AND I like more control and fundamental depth on the low end anyway. Genz-Benz Shuttle 6 with the preamp gain up a bit, sitting on top of a pair of little EA cabinets, makes me so very happy.
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The words from an old Ultravox song echo true to me here... it means nothing to me... :rolleyes:
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Here's another example of one, sans slapping.
I think that's a Fodera :) I don't know much about them...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ_xlHhcA-k&t=0m7s
They're covering Mike Stern's Mood Swings at the beginning. I actually like this version better than the original...
The full video was deleted, unfortunately, as they broke into some Hendrix at the end with the guitarist doing vocals.
That young guy on guitar smokes!
(...and I get a kick out of seeing a Les Paul in this setting)
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Oh? I thought this was going to be a thread about hats.
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Oh? I thought this was going to be a thread about hats.
...or Linux ;D
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Alain is not playing a Fodera. It is an "F" bass.
http://www.fbass.com/
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I wish Jim (jumbodbassman) was around. He KNOWS Foderas, I believe he once was a rep. I do know he's owned quite a few. My German customer owns a bunch. Victor Wooten plays them. So do other people who have a lot of money.
Here's three Foderas behind two of mine and a Lull prototype.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/JAEZZbird/Basses218-001_zps1c574c0e.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/JAEZZbird/Basses218-001_zps1c574c0e.jpg.html)
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Alain is not playing a Fodera. It is an "F" bass.
http://www.fbass.com/
So it is. All this talk about Fodera and he isn't even playing one.
I'm sure you can play whatever type of music you want on either brand. And no doubt Alain Caron would sound pretty much the same even if he were playing a $300 Ibanez Soundgear.
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I made it to the one minute mark. Do I get a prize?
No, because I got to 2:20 before finding a hangnail that was more interesting. :mrgreen:
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Hey I resemble that remark! :)
Sort of. I don't actually want to sound like an Ampeg head and 810. An SVT + fridge is a mighty thing indeed ... and I've always wanted to experience a Hiwatt stack in person at least once just to know what it's really like ... and I love the growl and overdrive of classic tube rigs, but I'm too old (and never was strong enough) to lug them around ... AND I like more control and fundamental depth on the low end anyway. Genz-Benz Shuttle 6 with the preamp gain up a bit, sitting on top of a pair of little EA cabinets, makes me so very happy.
Wot!? Do you even Talkbass?
The simple rules of Talkbass seem to be; if you need a bass get a Sire, if you need a pedal get a Darkglass and if you need a cab get a Fearful. The smallest rig you can get away with for a backyard BBQ gig is two SVTs pushing 810s.
For us limeys, the simple rules of Basschat seem to be; if you need a bass get a Maruszczyk, if you need a cab get a worn out Trace Elliot in the classifieds and you don't need a pedal. The smallest rig you can get away with for playing Wembley is a knackered 100 watt Trace Elliot combo I picked up from Jim in the classifieds. Even the blacklight still works!!!
But remember that tone is in the fingers, which is why we all eagerly anticipate the boutique Akai Deep Impact reissue and mostly refuse to acknowledge Gibson basses that aren't Thunderbirds.
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Wot!? Do you even Talkbass?
The simple rules of Talkbass seem to be; if you need a bass get a Sire, if you need a pedal get a Darkglass and if you need a cab get a Fearful. The smallest rig you can get away with for a backyard BBQ gig is two SVTs pushing 810s.
For us limeys, the simple rules of Basschat seem to be; if you need a bass get a Maruszczyk, if you need a cab get a worn out Trace Elliot in the classifieds and you don't need a pedal. The smallest rig you can get away with for playing Wembley is a knackered 100 watt Trace Elliot combo I picked up from Jim in the classifieds. Even the blacklight still works!!!
But remember that tone is in the fingers, which is why we all eagerly anticipate the boutique Akai Deep Impact reissue and mostly refuse to acknowledge Gibson basses that aren't Thunderbirds.
LOL! Good stuff there Alan. I never even heard of Sire (wait, do they make that new Marcus Miller bass?) or Fearful! And I only know of Darkglass from... guess where... ;D Talkbass seems to set their own trends, then decide that those trends aren't cool anymore, then everyone has to change to something else.
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Fearful is spelled fEARful by those in the know. :rolleyes: Sire are those Marcus Miller basses.
I remember when the Tech 21 VT Bass was the pedal of the moment. :-[
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Wot!? Do you even Talkbass?
No. :)
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Talkbass seems to set their own trends, then decide that those trends aren't cool anymore, then everyone has to change to something else.
I haven't been there much since the days when Schroeder was one of the cabs du jour. Early-mid 2000s maybe? I got on the hype bandwagon for a little while; bought one, it did a job pretty well that wasn't the job I ultimately needed done; I sold it, don't miss it. Funny thing is, last time I looked, Schroeder had redone all his designs and completely eliminated the distinctive quasi-folded compact design that was supposedly their raison d'etre in the early days. ;D
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I only visit Talkbass when someone here links to a thread over there. Back in the Pit days, I'd occasionally visit, and I remember the Schroeder threads. Bandwagon jumpers making performance claims way beyond the specs that Schroeder published. It's no surprise to me that they've moved on to the next big thing.
Nothing new. Back in the late 90s on the old TBL mailing list, the cabinets du jour were the Acmes. They were apparently low efficiency cabs, the builder said they needed plenty of wattage, but posters would make ridiculous claims that contradicted him. They were the best cabs ever. Then a few weeks later they would be up for sale.
All this is typical of bandwagon jumpers everywhere, not just in bass gear.
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I remember the Acmes ... got to play through one of the 210 cabs at one point. My impression of it was exactly as advertised - strong fundamental all the way down (at least on a 4-string), very even and tight lows ... and very low output compared to pretty much any other bass cab with the same amp. Anybody who claimed otherwise would have to be nuts. I think it's a nice design if you don't mind throwing tons of power at it. (And maybe more cabinets too ... low efficiency plus similar power handling as other cabs means max output has to be lower!)
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Not sure I've ever seen an Acme cab in the flesh. I'm living in the land of Trace Elliot and Ashdown, and I still see HH amps and Carlsbro Stingrays kicking around once in a while.
I've just bought a Tech21 VT DI, so I guess I fell for the hype!
I'm getting the VT DI because I fell for other hype first; I purchased a Two Notes Le Bass preamp based on hype, and when it arrived I was sorely disappointed. I couldn't tell if it was a faulty unit or a legitimately bad product, but I felt I had wasted my money... you live and learn.
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Acmes are great cabs and do everything they are advertised to. The fanboy bull$hit, well, that's just Talkbass. Ironically, those old Trace cabs are pretty close tonally to Acme, just lacking in the extreme low end.