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Title: The jackass brays
Post by: Dave W on August 01, 2015, 07:12:42 AM
Dear Abby famously said that just because a jackass brays, doesn't mean you have to listen.

Case in point: Ted Nugent Expresses Support For Man Who Killed Lion (http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/07/31/ted-nugent-expresses-support-for-man-who-killed-lion/)

Go figure.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: TBird1958 on August 01, 2015, 07:39:45 AM


 Ted = Bombast  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Lightyear on August 01, 2015, 10:58:07 AM
The lion killing pisses me off on so many different levels I have no idea where to start!  Ted's just flat wrong on this - freakin' idiot!

Most of what passes for hunting anymore is just farming.  Feed the game all year long, set up you blind, use a range finder to get your distance to feeder, go back to the gun range and and dial your scope in to the knats ass, return in hunting season and settle into you blind and wait for Bambi to come for breakfast then, bang, you harvest your animal.

Trophy hunting is even worse - kill an animal to say you "hunted" it and turn it into a mount  >:(  There many outifits here Texas where you can pick out your deer, or any host of exotic animals, in advance, show up at the ranch - replete with six to eight foot fencing, have a fancy catered meal, shoot your trophy and fly home.  All for 5 -10K >:( 

This douche bag dentist ought to be sent back to Africa and have 100 lbs. of raw meat tied to his neck, be stripped naked, no shoes,  given a flint blade and be dumped in the preserve his "guides" lured this lion out of.  Somehow I'm thinking the lions might win the day.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: nofi on August 01, 2015, 02:37:36 PM
i wish someone would hang some meat on nugent. worst of all is ted's influence on the adle brained bumpkins of this country who can't think for themselves. owning guns and shooting stuff does not make you a man little redneck.

bye the bye aren't you thrilled that nugent lives in texas now. >:( :sad: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Highlander on August 01, 2015, 02:41:54 PM
This is a reflection on trophy hunting in general... if it is for the trophy, where do you stop...? When does it become wrong to hunt...?
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Lightyear on August 01, 2015, 07:18:41 PM
Hunt to feed your family when your kids are going hungry - hell yes!  Spend 1-2K per gun to lease some farmer or rancher's land for the season, make a dozen trips, many times over a 1000 miles round trip, to maintain your feeders and salt licks (BAIT) haul your $20,000.00 camper up for the season etc - no, not me.  I used to duck hunt with my brother when I was kid, I loved it but it was hunting not farming - but seriously, wild duck tastes like ass - we never found a way to cook it we liked.  So, no more duck hunting for me or any hunting for that matter.  The guys that hunt like I mentioned above probably spend well over $200 per pound of meat at a minimum.  For that kind of money I think I could buy some Kobe beef.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: westen44 on August 01, 2015, 10:25:03 PM
In this case, Ted Nugent is just making even more of a spectacle of himself than usual.  Of course, I don't keep up with him much, but defending that dentist is really unbelievable.  If they ever make another version of this movie, Ted Nugent would be perfect in the role of the crazed hunter.




http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054691/





Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Highlander on August 02, 2015, 12:01:29 AM
... For that kind of money I think I could buy some Kobe beef.

I would never object to hunter/gatherer for food... as for the Kobe, I'll pass and buy a rare Malt... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: rahock on August 02, 2015, 04:04:52 AM
I knew there would be some Ted response to this, and it is pretty much what I expected. Freakin' asshat >:(.
Trophy hunting is so very wrong. I don't even want to get started on this subject because I'll never shut up. It's just WRONG!
Rick
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: drbassman on August 02, 2015, 09:38:48 AM
Was the dentist convicted of a crime?  Did I miss something?  Or is social media and public opinion replacing legal process around the world?  That's what perplexes me.

Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: rahock on August 02, 2015, 09:58:51 AM
They want to take him back to Africa for trial. They are very progressive from a conservation stance, which is good. I have no idea where they are at with their legal system . One thing for sure, it ain't the good ole' USA. I would not want to gain any first hand knowledge of their penal system. Got a feeling it could get a little brutal :o.
Rick
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: nofi on August 02, 2015, 10:14:23 AM
the dentist only did this thing last week so he has been convicted of nothing so far. the authoraties can't even find him now, but an african prison sounds just the place for him.

but he did indeed commit a crime.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Lightyear on August 02, 2015, 10:18:37 AM
They want to take him back to Africa for trial. They are very progressive from a conservation stance, which is good. I have no idea where they are at with their legal system . One thing for sure, it ain't the good ole' USA. I would not want to gain any first hand knowledge of their penal system. Got a feeling it could get a little brutal :o.
Rick

Evidently he did.  The "guides" lured the lion off of a protected preserve so that their "client" could take his trophy.  The claims that he didn't know that the animal was protected - BS - I mean sure the plastic tag in his ear and the radio collar sent no kind of indication that his kill didn't pass the "smell test"  Read up on the how the animal was killed and how long this idiot left him alive - truly barbaric!  Hunting for food - most especially legally I'm OK with though not my bag - this crap is just beyond the pale >:(
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Pilgrim on August 02, 2015, 10:19:26 AM
It does appear from news reports that even setting aside the fact that the lion was lured out of protected territory - which is a common trophy hunting technique and regrettably legal - that no lion permits were issued, so the hunt itself was illegal.

I could find an excuse for trophy hunting in the 1800's and perhaps a decade or two into the 1900's when we (humanity) had a different societal sense of ethics and when we didn't understand the potential for extinction of various species. But for the past 50+ years, I cannot find an excuse for trophy hunting, much less any justification.
 
I personally know some people for whom an elk or deer hunt is part of their annual food budget, and who don't waste the animal they kill.  Elk in particular are overrunning some mountain towns in Colorado and there no species survival issue with hunting them.  However, a year or two ago, a moron constable in one mountain town shot an beloved elk which was essentially a town resident and was justly prosecuted for doing so. 

It is undeniable that some percentage of the population are self-centered idiots who care only about that they want, and who totally disregard the people and society around them.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: drbassman on August 02, 2015, 01:08:04 PM
I frankly don't believe early news reports as so many of them end up rife with errors once an investigation is completed.  I don't hunt at all myself and it is a loss for the people of Zimbabwe.  I don't get the trophy hunting, but I don't get a lot if things folks do.  However, it appears to be legal and part of conservation in some parts of the world.  I can accept that.

However, the swiftness of condemnation, death threats, public demands for incarceration based on news reports baffles me.  Arrest him or extradite him, sure.  I'm more concerned about the mob mentally we humans are displaying.  I'm in favor of due process in every case and really don't give a rip for what the Twitterverse or Ted Nugent thinks of an event.  Innocent until proven guilty is dead and we all pay a price when that's gone.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Dave W on August 02, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
I frankly don't believe early news reports as so many of them end up rife with errors once an investigation is completed.  I don't hunt at all myself and it is a loss for the people of Zimbabwe.  I don't get the trophy hunting, but I don't get a lot if things folks do.  However, it appears to be legal and part of conservation in some parts of the world.  I can accept that.

However, the swiftness of condemnation, death threats, public demands for incarceration based on news reports baffles me.  Arrest him or extradite him, sure.  I'm more concerned about the mob mentally we humans are displaying.  I'm in favor of due process in every case and really don't give a rip for what the Twitterverse or Ted Nugent thinks of an event.  Innocent until proven guilty is dead and we all pay a price when that's gone.

I agree with all of this, but it doesn't make Ted Nugent any less of a jackass. Nor does it make me sympathetic to Palmer for what he admittedly did. But he certainly does deserve due process of law.

The internet lynch mob phenomenon is frightening enough as is. In this case it's even worse. The First Amendment give us the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Since when do decent people petition the government to prosecute a private citizen?

As for Zimbabwe, it's run by a Leninist thug who has murdered tens of thousands of political opponents while rigging every election, looting the country's natural resources and reducing the common people to grinding poverty. But internet lynch mobs don't care about that.

Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Bionic-Joe on August 02, 2015, 01:58:43 PM
I think Ted Nugent is funny. I don't like his music or his camouflage hat or his chin beard...... I 100% agree with Second Amendment rights. He is definitely Not Like by a lot of people mainly because he sounds a bit arrogant. I don't really care about Ted.

           As for the Killing of the Lion, we should ask the people of Africa about that:

http://conservativetribune.com/zimbabwe-truth-cecil-the-lion/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=ConservativeTribune&utm_content=2015-08-02


Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Bionic-Joe on August 02, 2015, 02:04:57 PM
I grew up Hunting, Fishing, Camping, shooting. My Father was the Editor  for the American Handgunner and the Shooting Industry in the mid to late 1970's. I know what guns can do. And I know how good fresh meat tastes. But I personally am NOT into trophy Hunting. But I also do not condemn Trophy Hunters as long as they are following the laws. Their business. A Lot of Misinformation seems to be going around. I think people need to do more accurate research from reliable sources before they fly off the handle and join the mob.
Again, My $.02. Take it or leave it. But freshly Killed Venison on a Charcoal Webber tastes amazing.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: patman on August 02, 2015, 02:22:55 PM
Whenever one does something, one needs to think, "Am I building, loving, being a positive force in the universe? or am I destroying and being evil?"...That should get you your answer here.

The thing that boggles my "accountant-mind" is that this guy paid 50K to do this. *(think...in seven years this would be 100K...in 14 years, 200K...etc.: what a waste of money to cause death)...

Oh yes, I love a good cheeseburger (preferably with a good beer). That lion was not feeding a family.  What a waste of a life.

FWIW, I have always thought Nugent's music sucked.  Amateurish changes...no melody, no redeeming social value. Not even "fun."

Of course, your mileage may vary...
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Basvarken on August 02, 2015, 02:28:25 PM
Ted Nugent is a moron.
Never cared for his music anyway. But that's besides the point.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Highlander on August 02, 2015, 03:15:30 PM
Rather curiously, circa 1982, Ol' Ted did a two shows in one night at the Hammersmith Odeon, in aid of WWF... raised more than a few eyebrows...
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Pilgrim on August 02, 2015, 04:56:36 PM
The overreaction of people sometimes leads me to despair about their so-called intelligence.  Death threats and such are totally unwarranted and are one of the most asanine things people do.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Bionic-Joe on August 02, 2015, 05:13:34 PM
People are more outraged by the Lion than Planned Parenthood selling aborted baby body parts. What's wrong with this picture???
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Dave W on August 02, 2015, 06:09:42 PM
People are more outraged by the Lion than Planned Parenthood selling aborted baby body parts. What's wrong with this picture???

Let's not go there.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Dave W on August 02, 2015, 06:15:13 PM
The overreaction of people sometimes leads me to despair about their so-called intelligence.  Death threats and such are totally unwarranted and are one of the most asanine things people do.

There's another Walter Palmer in the phone book here. 80 year old retired guy who's no relation to the dentist. He's been receiving vile and threatening phone calls from idiots who won't believe him when he tells them he's not that Walter Palmer.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: westen44 on August 02, 2015, 07:06:40 PM
There's another Walter Palmer in the phone book here. 80 year old retired guy who's no relation to the dentist. He's been receiving vile and threatening phone calls from idiots who won't believe him when he tells them he's not that Walter Palmer.

That happened to me in the early 90s.  I had just moved into an apartment on the Gulf Coast.  But the person who lived there before me had the same last name as a dictator who suddenly was in the news every day.  After about 4 or 5 days I told the phone company they were going to have to give me a new number.  In my case, I'd say the majority of the calls were made by people under the influence of alcohol. 
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Lightyear on August 02, 2015, 07:21:35 PM
I .......

As for Zimbabwe, it's run by a Leninist thug who has murdered tens of thousands of political opponents while rigging every election, looting the country's natural resources and reducing the common people to grinding poverty. But internet lynch mobs don't care about that.

Corruption abounds and the people of Africa are starving.  So someone with deep pockets comes along and offers you fifty years of wages to help track and kill an elephant, rhino or whatever.  You and your family are starving so you go with the lets not starve option - fairly simple concept really.  All the while the thug dictators and "presidents" are building palaces while civil wars rage and people starve.  I did hear a report that the owner of the guide service who worked with this guy was arrested today.  He'll take the fall and the dentist with deep pockets will most likely skate.

I'm with Patman - $50K for a trophy?  What good could you have done with 50 large? 

And, for the record, I've defended Terrible Ted in the past but this time I guess senile dementia or early onset Alzheimers is catching up to him.  He's jumped the shark - even for me.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on August 03, 2015, 11:14:15 AM
Rather curiously, circa 1982, Ol' Ted did a two shows in one night at the Hammersmith Odeon, in aid of WWF... raised more than a few eyebrows...

Even idiots, ala blind squirrels, get a nut sometimes. Ted fancies himself a conservationist because he maintains large herds of African grazing animals on his ranch in Texas. He claims to have more impala on his ranch than in all of Africa, and at least in that case, it was Ted using his celebrity to grease the wheels to build said herd. I don't even care what he had to say about the lion; as he has demonstrated far too many times already, everything he says is bullshit designed to draw attention and incite further stupidity.  I'll not indulge it.

  The poaching is indefensible on the part of the dentist, however,  the sped and power with which the internet can now create and incite a completely uninformed lynch mob is an advertiser's, politician's, and oligarch's wet dream and a responsible citizen's nightmare. People literally starve in the streets in this country and the outrage over poaching a lion somehow is more important.  Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers. To make an apt analogy, at least the wildebeest herds in Africa don't take their cues on where to run from the lions. Out techno-addled society does whatever the glowing box tells it to.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Highlander on August 03, 2015, 01:55:21 PM
Amen, Brother... Amen...
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: drbassman on August 03, 2015, 07:23:29 PM
Even idiots, ala blind squirrels, get a nut sometimes. Ted fancies himself a conservationist because he maintains large herds of African grazing animals on his ranch in Texas. He claims to have more impala on his ranch than in all of Africa, and at least in that case, it was Ted using his celebrity to grease the wheels to build said herd. I don't even care what he had to say about the lion; as he has demonstrated far too many times already, everything he says is bullshit designed to draw attention and incite further stupidity.  I'll not indulge it.

  The poaching is indefensible on the part of the dentist, however,  the sped and power with which the internet can now create and incite a completely uninformed lynch mob is an advertiser's, politician's, and oligarch's wet dream and a responsible citizen's nightmare. People literally starve in the streets in this country and the outrage over poaching a lion somehow is more important.  Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers. To make an apt analogy, at least the wildebeest herds in Africa don't take their cues on where to run from the lions. Out techno-addled society does whatever the glowing box tells it to.

Right on target and eloquent, too!
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: uwe on August 04, 2015, 06:40:06 AM
Of course it is silly from a conservationist viewpoint to get excited about one lion - one lion doesn't count, the species does.

But my sympathy for the dentist guy is extremely limited, like any trophy hunter he had no valid reason to kill the lion as

- he did not want to eat him,

- he wasn't defending himself, someone else or livestock,

- it wasn't a case of lion overpopulation

- nor was the lion sick or in pain.

The dentist wanted the lion dead for one reason only: So that he could claim to have killed it. How low can you get? And learn to use a bow and an arrow properly, asshole. Plus ask yourself the question where a lion comes from if there is a national park close by. And next time try fighting the lion without hunting weapons, kill him with your bare hands Hercules-style, that will give you something to brag about, you hero!

Internet lynch mobs are disdainful, yes, but I'm not losing any sleep about this guy now experiencing some duress. Not quite as bad as what Cecil had to put up with.

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Plus this whole trophy hunting thing reeks of colonialism in its most repulsive way. Has ever anyone heard of Zambian millionaires travelling to the US to goad bisons and grizzlies out of a national park to shoot them? What would Uncle Ted then say?

I'm no vegan, I can even kill an animal to eat it (and have done so), I think it's fine if Inuit hunt a whale in line with their customs and traditions. But killing animals just for the kick of then being able to boast about having killed them is - for lack of a better word - sick.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Bionic-Joe on August 04, 2015, 07:03:42 AM
I agree with him being an asshole for shooting the lion with the bow and then having to track it 40 hours later (While the Lion suffers). I KNOW that sometimes it happens....you shoot a deer and it takes off...that sucks... He should have practiced more...
   At the Local gunshop here in my town one of the owners went on a Hunt and got a Lion. it is the shittiest taxidermy job I have ever seem. I am NOT militantly against trophy Hunters. But I too see no point unless it is in self defense, or food. But the internet Lynch Mobs are really NASTY.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Dave W on August 04, 2015, 07:39:15 AM
Now a second US doctor -- a gynecologic oncologist from Pittsburgh -- has been accused of illegally hunting a lion, allegedly because the landowner didn't have the required permit. And again, without any due process, he's getting multiple death threats. I have no sympathy for the doctor if he broke the law, and no respect for him for doing it even if he didn't break any law, but it's too bad we can't declare an open bow-and-arrow season on the internet vermin who threaten to kill these men.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: nofi on August 04, 2015, 07:51:03 AM
dedicated to both sides of the argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7ohFnNPEgE

is that a one string bass? :o
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: uwe on August 04, 2015, 08:26:27 AM
Indeed it is, Nofi, the way he plays it (sliding up and down for even the most basic chord changes) it even has to be because I remember ole Overend not moving much about at all with his finger patterns when playing those white TBirds of yore. Maybe some internal band joke given that Ian H obviously dug out his iron cross guitar too which he always professed to have "sounded like crap".
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: drbassman on August 04, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
Monty Python nailed the mob mentality in their bit:  she's a witch, burn her, burn her!
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: uwe on August 04, 2015, 02:56:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTTDD_eAW1o

Everything ends in Ritchie Blackmore here.
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: nofi on August 04, 2015, 03:12:19 PM
not yet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTxSNosJrDo
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Pilgrim on August 04, 2015, 03:15:44 PM
No, not yet....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHEusBG20c
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: uwe on August 04, 2015, 03:48:46 PM
Pah!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IseoYP6oR_M
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Pilgrim on August 04, 2015, 03:53:15 PM
Sorry I can't find a clip with the Blues Brothers 2000 video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fluNM__tqOg
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Highlander on August 04, 2015, 04:19:46 PM
Maybe we should all be more forgiving...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

Nah...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujF8RYCLHvw
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Dave W on August 04, 2015, 09:17:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HfAsJ8AUmA
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Droombolus on August 05, 2015, 12:59:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_HiQomh_Zo
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: uwe on August 05, 2015, 02:15:16 AM
I will now humble you all, nuff said: "And if she ever asks you to make her your wife, man, you better stay with her for the rest of your life ..."!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xFkjmYaAfQ
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: Droombolus on August 05, 2015, 02:50:09 AM
I tried to stay away but since you've opened up that line ....... let's have Pat and Lolly have their say !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvDCYblqZzE

Hah !
Title: Re: The jackass brays
Post by: uwe on August 05, 2015, 07:18:01 AM
I'm a beaten man. Missing out on Redbone is inexcuseable. I liked them a lot, still do. Aside from their singles, they had some far-out psychedelic stuff on their early albums and that lead guitarist was real jazzy.