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Title: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: Blazer on January 03, 2009, 08:33:59 PM
As we all know the original run of Firebirds and Thunderbirds started in 1963 and ended in 1965 when the entire range was revamped with a styling which flipped over the shape.

But I never understood why they call those flipped over versions "Non-reverse" if they have a body outline which in a way is the reverse of the original styling? I mean nobody called the Firebirds and Thunderbirds when they first came out "reversed", they just called them "Firebirds" and "Thunderbirds"

It doesn't make sense, why would anybody flip over a body design and then call it "non-reverse" when it actually IS reversed.
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: SKATE RAT on January 03, 2009, 08:36:40 PM
somethings are unknown and unknowable.
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: Dave W on January 03, 2009, 08:43:05 PM
I mean nobody called the Firebirds and Thunderbirds when they first came out "reversed", they just called them "Firebirds" and "Thunderbirds"

Actually a number of people did call them reverse bodies, because the extended horn was on the reverse side from the way other guitars were.

And that's why the second edition was called nonreverse, just to distinguish it from the first issue.

Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: amimbari on January 03, 2009, 09:09:28 PM
as you guys know, I play reversed, so a non-reverse to me would be "non-reversed", cause the point would be on the bottom...lololol
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: lowend1 on January 03, 2009, 09:40:07 PM
Actually a number of people did call them reverse bodies, because the extended horn was on the reverse side from the way other guitars were.

And that's why the second edition was called nonreverse, just to distinguish it from the first issue.

"Other guitars" being largely produced by Fender - Gibson's doublecut offerings at that point being more or less equal, upper to lower horn. Maybe a couple of Epis, but even that is a bit of stretch...
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: Chris P. on January 04, 2009, 03:41:23 AM
Well, I think the Fender Jazzmaster/Jaguar was the guitar 'to beat'? Of course the first birds look a bit like reversed Jazz/Jags and the Nonrevs are more like normal Jazz/Jags.

I think those names are totally clear.
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: eb2 on January 04, 2009, 10:44:56 AM
I always recall the origin being that they were a combination of the bodies and and headstock of the originals "pointing up" stylistically, going in reverse.  Also, in general, they looked like flipped over Fenders - reversed. 
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: the mojo hobo on January 04, 2009, 03:28:03 PM
When I first heard the terms reverse and non-reverse I was confused too, thinking along the same lines as Blazer.
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: Dave W on January 04, 2009, 04:50:21 PM
"Other guitars" being largely produced by Fender - Gibson's doublecut offerings at that point being more or less equal, upper to lower horn. Maybe a couple of Epis, but even that is a bit of stretch...

Right. The horn was on the reverse side of Fenders and their early imitators.

And I think Chris is right, too. Back at the time I thought they were going after the Jazzmaster/Jaguar market. That may seem odd today but it wasn't back then. Although Strats were easily still Fender's best seller, Fender was promoting the Jaguar and Jazzmaster as their premium models. When I was in high school a Strat was $245 and a Jag or j/m was $325 (IIRC).
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: nofi on January 04, 2009, 08:44:26 PM
when i was in high school a new fender p bass and REAL hsc was 200 bucks. sometimes less.
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: TBird1958 on January 04, 2009, 09:53:15 PM

 I think it's important to remember it is Gibson that we're talking about here.....................
it's not supposed to make sense.  ;)
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: eb2 on January 04, 2009, 10:45:35 PM
Another thing is that the terms came in after both versions appeared, so the older one would have been a reverse of the newer one.
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: Chris P. on January 05, 2009, 12:29:26 AM
Nice thing is that no one will remember in some decades why certain Gibson shortscales are called Hobbits, how Clownburst appeared and why Rob has a Tonka Hobbit:)
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: Barklessdog on January 05, 2009, 05:33:32 AM
Then you have Entwistle's Fenderbirds with reverse bodies & non reverse pickguards, the ultimate parody. Reverse non reverse or non reverse reverse?
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: Blazer on January 05, 2009, 07:18:17 AM
Then you have Entwistle's Fenderbirds with reverse bodies & non reverse pickguards, the ultimate parody. Reverse non reverse or non reverse reverse?

So what would MY Fenderbird be then?

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e22/guitarman91/100_0900.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: amimbari on January 05, 2009, 07:36:20 AM
So what would MY Fenderbird be then?

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e22/guitarman91/100_0900.jpg)
I would call it sexy--to hell with the forward/reverse stuff....  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: Basvarken on January 05, 2009, 08:10:43 AM
Sexy. Okay. Except for that horrible pickguard.

Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: Blazer on January 05, 2009, 08:34:36 AM
Sexy. Okay. Except for that horrible pickguard.



Believe me, that pickguard was needed to really make it look good because of a f*** up I made with the routing of the pickup cavity.
Title: Re: Why do they call the flipped over version of the Thunderbird "Non-reverse?"
Post by: Basvarken on January 05, 2009, 08:53:33 AM
I understand, but why the horrible shape??
The lower horn doesn't follow the shape of the bass. And none of the curves have any tension, they are wobbly.