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Title: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on September 29, 2022, 07:53:03 AM: https://www.amazon.com/All-World-Stage-Slade/dp/B0B69FS758/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3AR3IC119MI6U&keywords=slade+all+the+world+is+a+stage+box+set&qid=1664462881&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjAwIiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=slade+all+the+world+i%2Caps%2C364&sr=8-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHIp2EzYtnc
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: TBird1958 on September 29, 2022, 08:06:53 AM: This just makes me smile............

https://youtu.be/xAhcW1gH6Mk
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on September 29, 2022, 08:32:34 AM: Them kinda SLadies can swing! Heart moving.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on September 29, 2022, 08:58:51 AM: Oh my, just listen to what Jim Lea does here at 02:15 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nRjpD4C3Kk
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: TBird1958 on September 29, 2022, 09:17:28 AM: That man can play like very few others - yet soldier on in utter obscurity (at least here in the States). The only other persons that could coax so much from an EB3 were Andy Fraser and Jack Bruce.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on September 29, 2022, 11:07:43 AM: "Coax" is the right word. Even in Germany and among bassists, Jim Lea is an unsung hero. When I laud him as a bassist who influenced me, people either think I'm joking or give me that weird "call the funny farm ... NOW!"-look.

But he can always treasure that he impressed Frank Zappa of all people who witnessed a Slade gig by accident and lauded his bass playing backstage afterwards. Dave Hill thought Zappa was an impostor at first and wise-cracked "He looks a bit like Frank Zappa!" to which an overawed Jim Lea hissed underneath his breath "For God's sake, Dave, shut up, he is Frank Zappa." :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on September 29, 2022, 02:30:38 PM: Slade gets such high praise here, I found this irresistible and ordered it. Also, for a 5 CD set, this seems like a good price to me.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on September 30, 2022, 04:54:57 AM: The recordings are great, the packaging is loveless and incompetent, the "16-page-booklet" consists of just pictures of which only one has to do with the documented gigs (in this case the Reading Festival gig where - as a band on the brink of breaking up themselves - they had to stand in for Ozzy at the very last minute and went down so well it ignited their comeback career).

The recordings are a testament to just how good a well-honed and -oiled live machine they were. And Jim Lea is really their musical director.

There is also very little overlap between the various live recordings which span almost 10 years (lamentably, none of the info below is actually featured in the boxed set):

Slade Alive!, the classic 1972 live album.

Live At The New Victoria recorded on April 24 1975, captures the band before they went around the UK to promote their feature film, In Flame.

Live At The Hucknall Miner’s Welfare Club recorded on 26 June 1980, features songs from their new studio album at the time We’ll Bring The House Down, along with classics ‘Take Me Bak ’Ome’, ‘Gudbuy T’Jane’, ‘Everyday’ and the perennial ‘Merry Xmas Everybody’, at this point the band were prepared to quit altogether, yet you wouldn't know it from this electric live performance, but the location is of course telling for a band that in 1973 had played Wembley Empire Pool.

Alive! At Reading the third unreleased full live set, captures the band delivering a sensational live performance to over 80,000 people in 24 August 1980. As last minute replacements for Ozzy Osbourne, their set was arguably the highlight of the festival and led to Slade enjoying a renaissance in the Eighties. A 3-track EP was issued from this performance at the time.

Slade On Stage which documents their 18 December 1981 Newcastle City Hall show (the album was issued a year later in December 1982).
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on September 30, 2022, 05:58:53 AM: A fresh interview with Noddy Holder.

https://www.nme.com/features/music-interviews/noddy-holder-slade-all-the-world-is-a-stage-oasis-ozzy-osbourne-3306019

Re question 8, I would categorically like to state that not all Germans are alike, Himmel!

And a Jim Lea one with a great little story:

https://www.therockpit.net/2020/interview-jim-lea-slade-the-cum-on-feel-the-hitz-interview/

Jim: There was this guy there who used to ‘police’ it (Uwe: a music store), and there was nobody there because it was a Wednesday afternoon. And when he saw us he said “Hey, you boys! Put that guitar down! Put that guitar down!” And he came over just like some heavyweight school teacher! And he said “Can you play the guitar? If you can’t play the guitar you have to put it back right now!” So they pointed at me and said “Well he can play it” And I just managed to get out “Well I don’t really play” before one of them said “Here Y’Are Jim, you play.” And handed me the guitar. So I played and I was ever so nervous but I, you know, did whatever I could. It was a Blues thing and I played fast and hard, you know. And this guy just looked at me and said “How old are you?” and I said “I’m, err, fourteen.” He said “Fourteen?” he said “Son we’ve had them all in here, in this shop, everybody, The Moody Blues, Spencer Davis Group, everyone comes into this shop. But I’ve never seen anybody like you…You’ll be back!” (laughs)

Mark: (laughs) He knew he had a new customer!

Jim: I know! And when I got the job with the band I had this big Bill Wyman bass that was a bit too big for me really, but it had a thin neck so it was nice and comfy. But I went out and got a Gibson EB3, you know the model?

Mark: Yeah, a lovely bass.

Jim: Jack Bruce had one as well. So anyway there was a queue, but I got the bass in a polythene bag and he was filling in the things for what he’d just sold and he looked up and he just said “I’ve been waiting for you”

Mark: (laughs) That’s brilliant!

Jim: It was like the movies! (laughing) And he came to see Slade years later at Birmingham Town Hall and there was a sort of ‘meet and greet’ after the show where we were signing things for the fans and he came up and said “Do you remember me?” and I said “No I don’t” and he just said “Jones and Crossland” (the name of the now defunct store) I just laughed and said “Were you the guy that said put that guitar down?” He said “I’m glad you didn’t listen. That day when you came in you knocked my rocks off. I’d never seen anything like you, I thought this lad is gonna go places.” I always remember that, that’s a nice comforting story isn’t it? Going from nowhere to a God-like status (laughs) He said “You sounded like three people were playing at the same time!” (laughs)

And another two interviews:

https://www.eonmusic.co.uk/jim-lea-slade-eonmusic-interview-september-2020.html

https://scholasticperspectives.com/2020/10/07/mark-dean-interviews-jim-lea-formerly-of-slade/
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on September 30, 2022, 09:29:44 AM: Quote from: uwe on September 30, 2022, 04:54:57 AM
The recordings are great, the packaging is loveless and incompetent, the "16-page-booklet" consists of just pictures of which only one has to do with the documented gigs (in this case the Reading Festival gig where - as a band on the brink of breaking up themselves - they had to stand in for Ozzy at the very last minute and went down so well it ignited their comeback career).

The recordings are a testament to just how good a well-honed and -oiled live machine they were. And Jim Lea is really their musical director.

There is also very little overlap between the various live recordings which span almost 10 years (lamentably, none of the info below is actually featured in the boxed set):

Slade Alive!, the classic 1972 live album.

Live At The New Victoria recorded on April 24 1975, captures the band before they went around the UK to promote their feature film, In Flame.

Live At The Hucknall Miner’s Welfare Club recorded on 26 June 1980, features songs from their new studio album at the time We’ll Bring The House Down, along with classics ‘Take Me Bak ’Ome’, ‘Gudbuy T’Jane’, ‘Everyday’ and the perennial ‘Merry Xmas Everybody’, at this point the band were prepared to quit altogether, yet you wouldn't know it from this electric live performance, but the location is of course telling for a band that in 1973 had played Wembley Empire Pool.

Alive! At Reading the third unreleased full live set, captures the band delivering a sensational live performance to over 80,000 people in 24 August 1980. As last minute replacements for Ozzy Osbourne, their set was arguably the highlight of the festival and led to Slade enjoying a renaissance in the Eighties. A 3-track EP was issued from this performance at the time.

Slade On Stage which documents their 18 December 1981 Newcastle City Hall show (the album was issued a year later in December 1982).

I've heard some complaints about the packaging, but I'm mostly interested in the CDs themselves. Your summary here is very useful, however.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on September 30, 2022, 11:28:40 AM: Some dick at the record company couldn't be bothered when other people would have done the liner notes gladly for free. Still, it's good that this stuff is finally out, even as just an afterthought.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 02, 2022, 12:41:23 PM: My two favorite CDs from the set are Alive! At Reading and Live at the Hucknall Miners' Welfare Club.

From Louder Sound:

There’s Noddy Holder defying the laws of biology with a larynx made of sandpaper; Dave Hill convinced that if the same guy signed Hendrix and him then he himself must be a mean guitarist (at one show he bursts into a blast of Purple Haze); Jim Lea just about holding the gang together musically, bringing violins to thrashing mobs; and Don Powell somehow both keeping it grounded and racing ahead so the others have to turn it up from 11 to 9,000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXluKx6sg4M
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 02, 2022, 01:59:04 PM: Hucknall Miners' Welfare Club - what better-named venue could you ask for?!
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: Alanko on October 02, 2022, 02:02:34 PM: There's an advert on the radio featuring the intro of Cum on Feel the Noize. I'd never really paid attention before, but the descending part is nonstop bass, right? The rhythm guitar seems to be playing some incredibly high inverted chords? The temptation would be to slam down some barre chords, but I think something more subtle is going on.

This is also interesting! Not the chords I thought I was hearing!

https://youtu.be/EntHrc8PJIw
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 02, 2022, 05:41:51 PM: Quote from: uwe on October 02, 2022, 01:59:04 PM
Hucknall Miners' Welfare Club - what better-named venue could you ask for?!

After listening to the Reading CD, I thought there couldn't possibly be a CD better than that one. Then came the Hucknall Miners' Welfare Club which surprised me even more. I think the unlikely name makes all of this even more unique.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 02, 2022, 06:11:54 PM: Quote from: Alanko on October 02, 2022, 02:02:34 PM
There's an advert on the radio featuring the intro of Cum on Feel the Noize. I'd never really paid attention before, but the descending part is nonstop bass, right? The rhythm guitar seems to be playing some incredibly high inverted chords? The temptation would be to slam down some barre chords, but I think something more subtle is going on.

This is also interesting! Not the chords I thought I was hearing!

https://youtu.be/EntHrc8PJIw

When you tell people that Slade's songwriting was more Beatles- than Glam Rock-influenced

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ApYUxlw6I

you get the same look like when you say that you think Jim Lea was a great bassist: sheer incredulity, they think you are taking the piss. Most people have Slade filed away as that raucous singles band, somewhere between Status Quo, Mud and The Sweet. But Slade were a different kettle of fish.

Slade songs are littered with parts that sound like guitar or baritone guitar to the casual listener, but are actually played by Jim Lea on bass (often in the higher register), he would play fast and melodic runs, chords/rhythm guitar parts or McCartney'esque harmonic walking bass lines. Often he would also play the trademark riffs of the songs - on bass all by himself. And Dave Hill, an underrated guitarist with a real sense of melody, would not take the easy route and simply move what Jim was playing (as the chief songwriter) to his guitar, maybe an octave higher, but rather play something completely different that sort of put an aura around what Jim was doing (plus his always succinct and catchy solos). They complemented each other in a way that left the classic division of duties between bass and guitar behind. Pretty nifty actually: Everybody thinks that the distorted intro riff of Gudbuy T Jane with all it's bendings is played by Dave Hill/the lead guitar when it's just Jim on bass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8EBculI-ag

And here the bass melody is basically the main component of the song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gqCCAb8xbw

But to Jim's utter frustration, no one ever took notice of all that (well, Zappa did!), people only focused on Noddy's foghorn of a larynx, the football chant vocal melodies, Don's gum chewing and the wild clothes of course.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: morrow on October 02, 2022, 08:25:33 PM: Quote from: uwe on October 02, 2022, 01:59:04 PM
Hucknall Miners' Welfare Club - what better-named venue could you ask for?!

You have a point there.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 02, 2022, 09:24:44 PM: I did notice that on Just A Little Bit from Live at the New Victoria the song did remind me slightly of Birthday by the Beatles. Whether this was an actual Beatles influence, I don't know. Overall, the songs are pretty different, though. It is possible somebody was being influenced I suppose, but nobody was plagiarizing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL36NQV2hxY
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: Alanko on October 03, 2022, 12:54:00 AM: A bit like 'Live at the Padget Rooms, Penarth'.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 03, 2022, 06:46:17 AM: Lennon himself witnessed Slade recording (they recorded at daytime, he recorded at night in the same studio) and, liking Noddy's voice ("I like this chap's voice. He sings like me!"), compared Slade to the early Beatles.

"That's quite high praise, coming from your peers like that, isn't it?

It is, and when you were talking about putting in licks, when I was talking to Paul McCartney about this, we had a lengthy conversation. We were both in AIR Studios in London, and he was dead keen on talking to me, and I didn't want to talk to him because I was too bloody frightened! And he told me afterwards he was frightened to talk to me! [Laughing] It's weird, isn't it? He said [doing spot-on Paul McCartney impression]; "Jamesy, there's something I want to ask you; at the end of one of your songs, somebody told me there's a Beatle riff in there", he said; "don't worry, I won't sue you"! 1985, this was, and I said; "oh, that'll be at the end of Mama Weer All Crazee Now", I do 'Day Tripper', just one round"!"

Slade adored the Beatles. For all their energy, they never really considered themselves a hard rock band in the vein of, say, Status Quo, Deep Purple or Humble Pie, but the Sccousers were something to aspire for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcPNyqtJmXE

Jim Lea is no slouch on guitar.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 03, 2022, 10:45:43 AM: Most covers of Hendrix suck. But not this one. This may have been done spontaneously. I don't know, but it's cool. I wish they would have carried it all the way through, and made it into a full-fledged cover like Born to Be Wild.

https://youtu.be/s6L9AUhiyR0
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 03, 2022, 11:23:43 AM: That's of course the bass playing the Hendrix riff. Besides the obvious Chas Chandler connection, Jim Lea was a great Hendrix fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pgzstc_DeQ
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: Alanko on October 03, 2022, 02:20:58 PM: Skinhead Slade nails Beatles cover.

https://youtu.be/GrasNTwuF1o
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 03, 2022, 03:31:53 PM: Quote from: uwe on October 03, 2022, 11:23:43 AM
That's of course the bass playing the Hendrix riff. Besides the obvious Chas Chandler connection, Jim Lea was a great Hendrix fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pgzstc_DeQ

Alienating Chas Chandler and causing him to leave during the recording of Electric Ladyland was one of the worst mistakes Jimi Hendrix ever made. People rave about how great the album is, but to my ears some of the songs without Chandler there to produce them suffered. They suffered a lot. Hendrix was no producer, IMO.

When the JHE went to do the Royal Albert Hall concerts several years later, Chas Chandler was needed once again. At that time everything was falling apart. Chas said the rehearsals were the worst thing he had ever heard. He seemed especially displeased with Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding who both seemed weary for some reason. But the RAH performances turned out great. I don't know exactly what Chas Chandler did, but I do know he changed the set list so older songs would be played instead of some of the newer ones, which, frankly I don't think were even very good. Now the RAH concerts are looked at as something great, but without CC that wouldn't have happened. He said he went to the RAH not as someone to be hired, but as a friend.

I don't know the details of how involved Chandler was in managing Slade. But I can only assume his significance was major.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 04, 2022, 03:26:20 PM: If someone asked me to name the two essential albums by the Beatles, I would choose Revolver and Abbey Road. What are Slade's essential studio albums? They have about fifteen of them. I'm a Slade newcomer. I have no idea what is what. I have heard some Slade songs through the years such as, of course, Cum On Feel the Noize, Rock and Roll Preacher, Mama Weer All Crazee Now, Merry Christmas Everybody, etc. Plus, I've obviously now listened to the new CD box set.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 04, 2022, 05:01:04 PM: Chandler was the fifth band member to Slade, their svengali. He saw their strengths and (over)exploited them.

The thing with early Slade is that they focused on being a singles band and having hits to the exclusion of almost anything else. A lot of their hits didn't even show up on their regular studio albums. That focus did them no favors in the long run. Yes, a teenage audience can easier afford singles than albums, but they should have listened to Francis Rossi of Status Quo who told them early on - seeing that they were spewing out one single after another - that for longevity in the rock business you need to focus on albums too. When they finally did that around Slade in Flame in late 1974, it was already a little too late.

If you want a great compilation that doesn't cost the world, try this here, it covers 70ies and 80ies Slade:

https://www.amazon.com/Cum-Feel-Hitz-Best-Slade/dp/B08DL766KB/ref=sr_1_fkmr3_1?crid=3UNOHMB0GX9HG&keywords=slade+comeon+feel+the+hits&qid=1664927550&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjk5IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=slade+comeon+feel+the+hits%2Caps%2C298&sr=8-1-fkmr3

If you want to dig deeper, try the 4 CD "Slade Box", but that seems to be prohibitively expensive in the US now.

A good collection of their early 70ies golden era is this here:

https://www.amazon.com/Sladest-Expanded-Mediabook-Slade/dp/B0BDKB7515/ref=d_pd_sbs_sccl_1_1/144-9661672-5721861?pd_rd_w=wOKYD&content-id=amzn1.sym.3676f086-9496-4fd7-8490-77cf7f43f846&pf_rd_p=3676f086-9496-4fd7-8490-77cf7f43f846&pf_rd_r=BHSK9YXXQ01PDTADXME5&pd_rd_wg=bUsZC&pd_rd_r=5ae7249e-9bfd-434e-a0a6-453b99354c0b&pd_rd_i=B0BDKB7515&psc=1

Three very strong studio albums are:

1. Old New Borrowed Blue

https://www.amazon.com/Borrowed-Blue-Deluxe-2022-Re-issue/dp/B09X1XG3PP/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2G8YO5U3ULE0T&keywords=slade+old+new+borrowed+blue&qid=1664927936&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjAxIiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=music&sprefix=slade+old+new+borrowed+blue%2Cmusic-intl-ship%2C196&sr=1-2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7sXAi2CHRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_ntIYnqMi4

2. Slade in Flame (sort of their Sgt. Pepper)

https://www.amazon.com/Flame-Slade/dp/B000MGB1XW/ref=sr_1_3?crid=280325SKL5FKB&keywords=slade+in+flame&qid=1664928000&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIyLjM5IiwicXNhIjoiMS43MSIsInFzcCI6IjEuMTYifQ%3D%3D&s=music&sprefix=slade+in+flame%2Cmusic-intl-ship%2C266&sr=1-3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulvp0WCALq4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qysk6IgeFmQ

3. Nobody's Fools (exposure to US music due to their long stay there began to show in their songwriting, soul crept in)

https://www.amazon.com/Nobodys-Fool-SLADE/dp/B000MGB1Y6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1IHBYXFV5DUYB&keywords=slade+nobody%27s+fools&qid=1664928039&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjAwIiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=music&sprefix=slade+nobody%27s+fools%2Cmusic-intl-ship%2C279&sr=1-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lePrj_WrWgI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsSyt8nbOrM
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: TBird1958 on October 04, 2022, 05:05:41 PM: Slayed is THE SLADE record, almost nothing else matters except that it doesn't have Cum on feel the Noize on it, so buy Sladest as well.

Jim Lea's playing on Move over is the $%^&

Killin'it here.

https://youtu.be/nhzl5MPelgc
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 04, 2022, 05:40:06 PM: Ah, Mark likes the formative years! I tend to be a fan of the more refined later work.

Not just with Slade, I'm the type of guy who prefers Machine Head to Deep Purple in Rock or Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage to the first two albums of the Brummies or Destroyer to anything Kiss did before (or after!).
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 04, 2022, 09:10:45 PM: Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll get several of those. The only one I would rule out for sure would be the "Slade Box" which is now about $100 and hard to find anyway unless you use Amazon (which I don't like to do.) But any of the other CDs are possibilities.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 05, 2022, 02:26:42 AM: If you get Cum On Feel The Hitz you'll have all the more important tracks of the Slade Box covered. The Box is from 2007, Hitz is from 2020 and to everyone's utter astonishment it entered the UK charts out of nowhere at #8 ...

https://darrensmusicblog.com/tag/cum-on-feel-the-hitz/

(https://darrensmusicblog.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/slade-pics.jpg)

Essentially a compilation for the more casual listener, it criminally doesn't give you any background information on the band's career at all (other than songwriter credits), but all that is readily available online. Mastering is good though, just remember that you'll not be listening to Dark Side of the Moon! Slade had sort of Creedence Clearwater Revival production values - for a teenage audience. Chandler produced them so that their music would sound good blaring loudly from cheap speakers on a fairground.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 05, 2022, 01:10:40 PM: I just ordered it. But you and Mark provided me with a wealth of info. Some of these other albums also look tempting. I may order a few more. Thanks, once again.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 05, 2022, 04:14:05 PM: Another convert.

My work is done here.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 05, 2022, 05:25:45 PM: Quote from: uwe on October 05, 2022, 04:14:05 PM
Another convert.

My work is done here.

There are a lot of bands with great studio albums, but in general I prefer listening to their live music the most. Slade proved themselves with that 5 CD box set as far as I'm concerned. That's some great music. Whoever decided to put that out definitely made the right choice. It was enough to convince me I needed to be listening to Slade. It's actually a shame that most Americans are more familiar with Quiet Riot than Slade. I just never got into Quiet Riot. On the other hand, Kevin DuBrow from Quiet Riot has said that he was never into a band like Slade. He despised Cum On Feel the Noize and didn't even want to record it. Not ever having been a Quiet Riot fan, I don't know the details.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 06, 2022, 08:28:31 AM: I kinda like Quiet Riot because they were dumb in a good way. And Rudy Sarzo was a sight live. But certainly no Slade.

Quiet Riot were a reasonably convincing live act, but their song-writing was only so-so.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 06, 2022, 10:23:28 AM: I think one of Kevin DuBrow's problems is that he was a little resentful Quiet Riot were getting attention for doing a song like Cum On Feel the Noize which they didn't even write. When he said he despised the song, I suspect that was one of the main reasons. I'm just going by the info I've incidentally come across through the years.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 06, 2022, 11:58:58 AM: I had no issues with them covering it, their version was fine if not spectacularly different to the original version. It wasn't Quiet Riot's fault that Slade failed to crack the American market a few years before. And both Jim Lea and Noddy Holder as the writers of Cum On Feel the Noize earned more via Quiet Riot's success with their song than when it was released by Slade first time round - let's face it, throughout the 70ies Slade couldn't get arrested in the US. Their reliance on singles fell flat on its arse in the US.

Re Quiet Riot's cover, Jim and Noddy were not complaining, just baffled that Quiet Riot would see success with a version that so little deviated from their original. As Keith Richard once mumbled when asked if it bothered him that "Jumping Jack Flash" was on Frampton's Comes Alive: "Hey, it bought me a nice house, no complaints!"

By the way: AC/DC's You Shook Me All Night Long chorus owes more than a bit to Cum On Feel The Noize too. One man's "we'll get wild, wild, wild" is another man's "aall niiight looong". ;D
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 07, 2022, 12:09:14 AM: I read an article several years ago which mostly focused on Noddy Holder. I can't remember the details, but it was clear he was fine with receiving the royalties from Quiet Riot's recordings of their music. Any sane person would be happy with that. But I guess the question is how did all of this happen? One music critic asked how a crap band like Quiet Riot got a hit with a Slade song. In other articles I read (in the past and recently) it was pointed out that Slade had a hard time getting enough radio play in the U.S. for some reason. On a personal note I might add that MTV in the 80s had Quiet Riot on, but not Slade. I haven't heard anybody mention this, but it had to have been a factor in keeping Slade from being more popular in the U.S. Their main popularity seems to have been with American audiences who got to see them in person.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 07, 2022, 05:04:33 AM: There was always a certain jaunti- and lightheartedness in Slade's presentation (in contrast to Jim Lea battling with his depressions, but then depressive jesters are nothing new) that didn't sit well with people who liked 'serious' heavy music. That "Hey, we're entertainers!"-approach. It had people usually underestimate their musical clout. You had to see them live to realize that they weren't just a pop hits delivering machine. And that Reading 1980 experience where they somehow end up on a festival bill in the last minute where no one expects much from them and they then steal the show wasn't a first time for them. A similar thing had happened in the early 70ies when they played on a UK festival otherwise populated by more PROG image 'serious' bands and took the largely non-teenage audience by storm, baffling everyone by how well and energetic they could play. (They had the energy of the J. Geils Band on a good night.)

But Chas Chandler wanted to see the single hits flowing for a young teenage audience rather than establish his proteges as 'serious artists'. What he forgot was that biologically speaking bands that focus only on the young teenage market generally only have a shelf life of three years or so before their audience develops either breasts or beards and moves on to other music. And those three years (where they ruled the UK charts) is basically what Slade had. It type-cast them forever and they could never really leave the image behind.

That "good fun"-aspect in their music did them no favors in America I think. And of course their vids in the rising MTV era were made on the go and failed to project anything to win an MTV audience over. For a band that had widely received acclaim for their performance in the semi-documentary Flame movie (about a fictitious up and coming band named "Flame" consisting of the four Slade members, the film was even lauded by critics who had otherwise been dismissive of Slade's musical output), Slade were really hapless/naive in creating a new video image of themselves.

And finally, I think they would have needed to be put in the hands of an experienced and professional American management organisation with some clout in the mid-80ies. But by then Noddy Holder was fed up with life on the road and didn't want to commit to extensive touring anymore. He's never returned to it and prefers being a family man and a - light-hearted - TV and radio personality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8HSK8UE8No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzzXm3TeR3c
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 07, 2022, 01:58:29 PM: There are, of course, other examples of artists who seemed to be popular everywhere but America. But especially after listening to the new CD box set, Slade seems to be one of the most extreme examples of a band being underrated and misunderstood that I've seen. It's all about perception, not necessarily reality.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: lowend1 on October 07, 2022, 03:36:31 PM: Quote from: westen44 on October 06, 2022, 10:23:28 AM
I think one of Kevin DuBrow's problems is that he was a little resentful Quiet Riot were getting attention for doing a song like Cum On Feel the Noize which they didn't even write. When he said he despised the song, I suspect that was one of the main reasons. I'm just going by the info I've incidentally come across through the years.

"One" of his problems, lol. As I recall, and his feelings about Slade aside, QR's producer, Spencer Proffer, pushed for them to record the song despite the band's opposition. It got put to tape almost as an afterthought (Frankie Banali's suggestion) because they had to show Proffer that they had made an effort. Dubrow was initially incensed that it sounded as good as it did and had been recorded to boot. And the rest is history.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 07, 2022, 03:42:34 PM: Status Quo never got to crack America either - with some bands it just doesn't happen. At the same time, a band like Foghat that could comfortably fill arenas in the US meant little to nothing in Europe. That doesn't say anything about their music and performance (or Status Quo's) being bad. Generally, there tends to be some alignment between the great Western music markets over time, but it's not always the case.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 07, 2022, 04:08:58 PM: Quote from: lowend1 on October 07, 2022, 03:36:31 PM
"One" of his problems, lol. As I recall, and his feelings about Slade aside, QR's producer, Spencer Proffer, pushed for them to record the song despite the band's opposition. It got put to tape almost as an afterthought (Frankie Banali's suggestion) because they had to show Proffer that they had made an effort. Dubrow was initially incensed that it sounded as good as it did and had been recorded to boot. And the rest is history.

I've heard the Proffer story as well - DuBrow's voice reminded him of Noddy Holder's. Which DuBrow (who rather wanted to be Steve Marriott) seemed to take as an insult. But I've also read here from other people that the original Quiet Riot (still with Rhandy Rhoads) already covered Slade tunes in the late 70ies, long before their resurgence with Metal Health in 1983.

That said, Slade had their American fans ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8BMF3dhbHU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2I_MHdE6ZQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RTipAZuMRI

And I always thought that this was an especially heartfelt hommage to them, Kiss never made any bones about their love for Slade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlRS7j8lK24

Watching an early Kiss gig from the side of the stage, Dave Hill is supposed to have commented to the likewise watching, albeit slightly bemused Noddy Holder: "But these are our children, Nod ...".
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: TBird1958 on October 07, 2022, 04:25:37 PM: There's this then..............

https://youtu.be/BkzTmx35ExQ
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: lowend1 on October 07, 2022, 04:59:12 PM: Quote from: uwe on October 07, 2022, 04:08:58 PM
I've heard the Proffer story as well - DuBrow's voice reminded him of Noddy Holder's. Which DuBrow (who rather wanted to be Steve Marriott) seemed to take as an insult.

While DuBrow may have wanted to be Steve Marriot, he simply didn't have anywhere near the amount of charisma and raw talent that Steve Marriot had. He was no Noddy Holder, either.
And in an attempt to provide a tenuous but de rigueur Rainbow/Purple connection... when watching the "Hear n Aid" sessions video, the DuBrow segment is most uncomfortable. Likewise the Don Dokken portion, but that's for another day...
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: slinkp on October 07, 2022, 07:50:51 PM: Quote from: westen44 on October 07, 2022, 12:09:14 AM
On a personal note I might add that MTV in the 80s had Quiet Riot on, but not Slade.

Certainly Slade never got a tenth of the MTV time here in the states that Quiet Riot got. But, after "Cum On Feel the Noize" was a hit for QR, they did make a bit of an appearance with these two videos that I recall. Seemed like the waters were tested and not much came of it, maybe MTV just didn't give them much of a push? These were the only Slade performances I'd ever heard until I came upon this forum decades later!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMxcGaAwy-Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlwA5GLBmJM
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 07, 2022, 11:54:49 PM: ^^^

Those Slade videos must have only played a few times then. Otherwise, I would have noticed them. Thanks for posting those, though. :)
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 08, 2022, 02:57:24 PM: The Old New Borrowed and Blue CD came in today. I really liked it and ended up ordering Slade in Flame and Slayed. I hope that's all the Slade albums I'll be ordering for a while.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 09, 2022, 04:46:56 AM: Those two got a least some rotation. Though I was never much of a Run Runaway fan, too folk-jiggy for me. But I'm partial to My Oh My (and Lea's delicate lead bass melody lines in there), that is one of their great, great ballads.

Michael, your life can simply not continue without a copy of Nobody's Fools!
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 09, 2022, 04:57:48 AM: Quote from: lowend1 on October 07, 2022, 04:59:12 PM
While DuBrow may have wanted to be Steve Marriot, he simply didn't have anywhere near the amount of charisma and raw talent that Steve Marriot had. He was no Noddy Holder, either.
And in an attempt to provide a tenuous but de rigueur Rainbow/Purple connection... when watching the "Hear n Aid" sessions video, the DuBrow segment is most uncomfortable. Likewise the Don Dokken portion, but that's for another day...

DuBrow was a very limited singer, true. I thought he was more than a decent frontman though, some rogue charm, at least until he had his cool-looking receding hairline covered with that silly poodle, which made him look like all other LA Metal front men. Quiet Riot really lost something for me then and it corresponded with them attempting to make their music more melodic which didn't really work out either. That intermezzo with the Rough Cutt singer fell flat on its arse too though he was at least twice the vocalist of Kevin.

(https://townsquare.media/site/295/files/2013/10/Quiet-Riot-Photo.jpg?w=1200&h=0&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89)

(https://www.spirit-of-metal.com/les%20goupes/K/Kevin%20DuBrow/pics/2d21_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 09, 2022, 11:47:42 AM: I looked into ordering Nobody's Fools last night. But since I don't use Amazon the only other place I've found I can order it from is a fairly obscure record shop that I've been having technical problems with the last few months. As of now, I can't figure out how to order anything from them because there is a glitch which prevents me from signing into their site. I've just sent them an email. Maybe they can do something about it. I hope so. This glitch has already kept me from ordering several CDs from them over the past several months.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 09, 2022, 06:14:44 PM: Noddy, in his best Wolverhamptonese, has some tales to tell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjgDZCDIfl0
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 09, 2022, 08:43:29 PM: The record store emailed me and said the problem was their fault. They're going to try to find a way to correct the problem and get the Nobody's Fools CD to me. I hope so. ;D
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 09, 2022, 10:37:37 PM: Quote from: uwe on October 09, 2022, 06:14:44 PM
Noddy, in his best Wolverhamptonese, has some tales to tell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjgDZCDIfl0

I especially got more insight on the Reading and Hucknall performances. I didn't know about the background on most of those things.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 10, 2022, 04:26:30 AM: My first Slade gig around 1978/79 or so will always be etched in my memory for the only gig I ever witnessed where the music was so loud, a guy standing beside me by the bass bins of the outsize PA (they were playing a club, yet had a PA in there large enough for a mid-size hall, parts of it reached up to the ceiling of the place) caught nosebleed! At that point in time, Ten Years After's Hear Me Calling was their opening number and they would only play it over their backline in the half-dark until Noddy hit "hear me calling ... LOUD!!!" and the guy behind the mixer would switch on the full PA and the lights. It was a physical experience (as the guy with the then immediate nosebleed could attest to, but even he dug it and was unperturbed!).

What followed was a tour de force of energy (similar in intensity only to the J. Geils Band which I saw at that exact same venue around that time somewhat later too - they had just released Love Stinks) like I never saw before or after. By the third number, Jim Lea was standing on one of the PA towers and doing an unacccompanied bass solo - it was friggin' amazing. This was in their "wilderness years"*** - their hits had dried up, they were without a decent recording contract, had failed to crack America amd were even in Germany viewed as a spent force and on the verge of only diminishing returns on the golden oldies circuit. But you wouldn't have known it from that gig, which was boisterous and brimming with self-confidence.

***The period about which they sang in their 1985 single "Do You Believe In Miracles?", their ode to Bob Geldof and his Band Aid organisational feat (long after both the Boom Town Rats had split and his solo career failed to igite) who in 1979 (at the height of the "I Don't Like Mondays"-craze) had asked them backstage after a Slade gig at a low key venue why they were still even bothering to carry on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M_0B-mxJxo

I love the coda of that song where at 03:20, 03:30 and 03:40 they start interpolating the "Feed The World/Let Them Know It's Christmas Time"-melody.

It was in the winter of '79
When the band was at a low
Then we met yer man that they called 'The Mouth'
At a party there on show

He said "Why'd you carry on this way?
I could never go to that!"
But he had to learn he was just the same
One step forward two steps back

Can you hear me now
Oh do you believe in miracles
Just as only dreamers can
And if he can work with a miracle
Like a bloody-minded man
Like a bloody-minded man

It was in the autumn of '84
Going live through '85
When he made the greatest show on earth
To help a country to survive

Can you hear me now, hear me now
Oh do you believe in miracles
Just as only dreamers can
And if he can work with a miracle
Like a bloody-minded man
Like a bloody-minded man

So yer man determined he found a cause
When the powers just couldn't cope
Or did you ever think that old rock'n'roll
Could give the world some kind of hope?

Can you hear me now, hear me now
Oh do you believe in miracles
Just as only dreamers can
And if he can work with a miracle
Like a bloody-minded man
Like a bloody-minded man

Oh do you believe in miracles
When the dream has just begun
And if we can work with a miracle
Just like Ireland's favourite son
And the dream has just begun

Do you believe in miracles
Oh do you believe in miracles
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 10, 2022, 12:04:19 PM: I noticed "Do You Believe in Miracles" is on the Crackers album. I ordered that one a few days ago. I realize that isn't a highly rated Slade album, but it looked like it might start becoming a hard-to-find album. So I got it while I could. Also, with all those Christmas songs on there I thought it should be ideal to listen to during the holidays because I get pretty tired of what they play on the radio at that time.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 11, 2022, 08:24:13 AM: The British Heart Foundation discovers Slade as a synonym of 70ies baby boomers and their cardiological collective guilt ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oTC37DBaxM

And here is some click bait for Dave W,

DAVE EDMUNDS

and Noddy Holder! Plus assorted other celebrities, even one from Liverpool. Even a Led Zep member in a fringed jacket playing guitar AND NOT named Jimmy. Plus members of ELO, The Move and The Moody Blues too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMh42sACcQ8
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 11, 2022, 11:11:16 AM: Lock up your daughters. This might be sensible advice.

https://youtu.be/_LP4UwDPMDI
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: TBird1958 on October 11, 2022, 11:53:21 AM: I'm always happy that I did get to see Slade live, they were very, very loud! They were the first band that really struck something in me, and (obviously) I wanted to be in a band like them someday.

This guy's exuberance onstage was in no small way responsible for how I turned out, and even to this day I can relate to the liner notes on the back "Slayed", how they tried to impress people by having a good time, not being static musicians hunched over their instruments attempting to wow the crowd with virtuosity.

(https://i.imgur.com/xhKasOQ.jpg)

No boots, no glam!

(https://i.imgur.com/IoGjqqh.jpg)
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 11, 2022, 12:13:02 PM: Quote from: westen44 on October 11, 2022, 11:11:16 AM
Lock up your daughters. This might be sensible advice.

https://youtu.be/_LP4UwDPMDI

Uhum, a song that bears - cough! - hardly any correlation to these two tracks here which had been in the UK Charts 18 and 6 months before, respectively, giving Whitesnake its first two major UK hits (Fool For Your Loving #13, Don't Break My Heart Again #17):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtznhhKOW5k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMT-Uyxy5pg

Slade had not only played with Whitesnake in Reading in 1980, but also been their opening act (I remember a 1980 or 81 gig where Ozzy with Randy Rhoads was the opener, Slade the middle act and Whitesnake headlined), so Jim Lea must have thought I can write something like that too. And he did, the parallels are obvious, it went to #29 of the UK Charts in the fall of 1981. It's basically the bastard child of Fool For Your Loving's riff structure and breaks combined with Don't Break Ny Heart Again's stompiness. 'Whiteslade' even added some Jon Lord-style Hammond to their studio version, an otherwise rare occurence with their music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCUSm-27Mac

Needless to say I really like it though it was a bit of an intentional effort by Slade to leave their pop foundations behind and appeal to a hard rock audience with a blues-rockier sound, sort of "If the metal kids now like us, we'll give them what they want!"

Re Dave Hill: His sartorial elegance and timeless high bangs cut hid what a tasteful lead guitarist he was. His solos were always just perfect for Slade, often picking up a previous vocal melody but then turning it around. He was a master of holding back and actually very controlled playing, much in contrast to his outrageous stage demeanor.

Are the Nasty Habits back in action, Fräulein Rommel?
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: westen44 on October 11, 2022, 01:10:42 PM: https://youtu.be/-GqPPw3UvDI

This may seem misleading. The name of the show Noddy is on is called "Loose Women." It doesn't mean that's what he is talking about, although he does mention Slade and arguments about women in the interview.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: TBird1958 on October 11, 2022, 03:08:29 PM: Quote from: uwe on October 11, 2022, 12:13:02 PM

Re Dave Hill: His sartorial elegance and timeless high bangs cut hid what a tasteful lead guitarist he was. His solos were always just perfect for Slade, often picking up a previous vocal melody but then turning it around. He was a master of holding back and actually very controlled playing, much in contrast to his outrageous stage demeanor.

Are the Nasty Habits back in action, Fräulein Rommel?

After a long hiatus, yes - we have been rehearsing with a new drummer (he's from Argentina) and guitarist - I have a couple of singers to audition starting this Sunday. - Yay!
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 11, 2022, 04:49:18 PM: That's good to hear - long live the queen!
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: TBird1958 on October 11, 2022, 05:29:13 PM: Quote from: uwe on October 11, 2022, 04:49:18 PM
That's good to hear - long live the queen!

Gotta play this one out live again!

(https://i.imgur.com/KArFCBK.jpg)
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: Pilgrim on October 11, 2022, 09:17:04 PM: Well coordinated. The difference between blue and purple is very darn small!
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 12, 2022, 06:23:40 AM: No it's not, you 'I only register primary colors'-cisgender male mole! :mrgreen:

(https://i.imgur.com/e5vHCkN.gif)

(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-16f471b2b4f80fcb8b4fed7b7bf4ed25-lq)

I have sometimes issues describing something as purple, violet or lilac. Even Deep Purple weren't always sure whether they weren't Deep Lilac or Deep Violet, the inconsistency has always bugged me no end.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Shades_UK.jpg)

(https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b273d1490353b42775abce602368)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fc/c7/4f/fcc74f29f372f034162c0e9f9d3a58b8.gif)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/92/ef/be92ef019d9046cf666adca49d41a70c.jpg)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71AdDfH2pLL._SX522_.jpg)

The issue is confounded in German because we translate "purple" as all kinds of varying violet'ish shades ...

(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-16b6b7fc77431380fe894ad5a21fb877-lq)

The German term "purpur" does ironically not correspond with the english term "purple" - the color us Krauts envisage as "purpur" is closer to a shade you guys would assure us is red-violet.

(https://images-fibreglast-com.s3.amazonaws.com/pio-resized/750/4002.jpg)

But there is a scientific explanation for the difficulty in discerning those shades: What we describe as purple, violet or lilac are color shades not really mirrored in the visible light spectrum, they are mostly solely a creation of our eyes and brain and cannot be simply attributed to a specific nanometer wavelength. Rather, these color shades stimulate both our photoreceptors for red and those other photoreceptors for blue at the same time - everything else happens in our brains.

(https://www.lichtmikroskop.net/optik/bilder/farbkreis-violett-lila.jpg)

Too add to the confusion there is also a true spectral color called violet:

Relationship of purple to violet

This CIE chromaticity diagram highlights the line of purples at its base, running from the violet corner near the left to the red corner at the right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple#/media/File:Line_of_purples.png

Purple is closely associated with violet. In common usage, both refer to a variety of colors between blue and red in hue. Historically, purple has tended to be used for redder hues and violet for bluer hues. In optics, violet is a spectral color: It refers to the color of any different single wavelength of light on the short wavelength end of the visible spectrum, between approximately 380 and 450 nanometers, whereas purple is the color of various combinations of red, blue, and violet light, some of which humans perceive as similar to violet.

But then a guy working for a joint called Seattle Lighting should really know (t)his stuff, I'm sure (s)he'll explain. ;D

THE LAST BASS OUTPOST - WHERE SCIENCE STILL COUNTS ...
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: Pilgrim on October 12, 2022, 11:27:48 AM: Quote from: uwe on October 12, 2022, 06:23:40 AM
No it's not, you 'I only register primary colors'-cisgender male mole! :mrgreen:

HEY! I resemble that remark!

And I sold a perfectly good Midnight Blue J-bass (that I liked) because I kept getting grief about playing a purple bass, which I cannot do either by inclination or loyalty to my Alma Mater. (Mark understands this, but he's on the west side of the state and gets a pass on purple due to his overall coolness.) The "other" university in the state has purple and gold colors, and therefore I and many other alumni will not own a purple object.

Fortunately, a very nice young lady bought that Midnight Blue Jazz, and was very taken with it. I was glad to get rid of the harassment, not so glad to get rid of the bass. But Midnight Blue, although definitely blue, looks purple under lights of certain color temperatures.
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: TBird1958 on October 12, 2022, 01:19:11 PM: Quote from: uwe on October 12, 2022, 06:23:40 AM
No it's not, you 'I only register primary colors'-cisgender male mole! :mrgreen:

(https://i.imgur.com/e5vHCkN.gif)

(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-16f471b2b4f80fcb8b4fed7b7bf4ed25-lq)

I have sometimes issues describing something as purple, violet or lilac. Even Deep Purple weren't always sure whether they weren't Deep Lilac or Deep Violet, the inconsistency has always bugged me no end.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Shades_UK.jpg)

(https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b273d1490353b42775abce602368)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fc/c7/4f/fcc74f29f372f034162c0e9f9d3a58b8.gif)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/92/ef/be92ef019d9046cf666adca49d41a70c.jpg)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71AdDfH2pLL._SX522_.jpg)

The issue is confounded in German because we translate "purple" as all kinds of varying violet'ish shades ...

(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-16b6b7fc77431380fe894ad5a21fb877-lq)

The German term "purpur" does ironically not correspond with the english term "purple" - the color us Krauts envisage as "purpur" is closer to a shade you guys would assure us is red-violet.

(https://images-fibreglast-com.s3.amazonaws.com/pio-resized/750/4002.jpg)

But there is a scientific explanation for the difficulty in discerning those shades: What we describe as purple, violet or lilac are color shades not really mirrored in the visible light spectrum, they are mostly solely a creation of our eyes and brain and cannot be simply attributed to a specific nanometer wavelength. Rather, these color shades stimulate both our photoreceptors for red and those other photoreceptors for blue at the same time - everything else happens in our brains.

(https://www.lichtmikroskop.net/optik/bilder/farbkreis-violett-lila.jpg)

Too add to the confusion there is also a true spectral color called violet:

Relationship of purple to violet

This CIE chromaticity diagram highlights the line of purples at its base, running from the violet corner near the left to the red corner at the right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple#/media/File:Line_of_purples.png

Purple is closely associated with violet. In common usage, both refer to a variety of colors between blue and red in hue. Historically, purple has tended to be used for redder hues and violet for bluer hues. In optics, violet is a spectral color: It refers to the color of any different single wavelength of light on the short wavelength end of the visible spectrum, between approximately 380 and 450 nanometers, whereas purple is the color of various combinations of red, blue, and violet light, some of which humans perceive as similar to violet.

But then a guy working for a joint called Seattle Lighting should really know (t)his stuff, I'm sure (s)he'll explain. ;D

THE LAST BASS OUTPOST - WHERE SCIENCE STILL COUNTS ...

Honestly, I learned this stuff once in design school and then again after starting at Seattle Lighting while studying for my American Lighting Association cert., I'm not a very technical person but somehow this "stuck" with me reasonably well. I like purple and the Autumnal palette a lot, works with my skin color - pastels not so much!

October and I'm enjoying a lot of Schnitzel............"The call of home is loud" to quote Slade.

(https://i.imgur.com/pCreXMC.jpg)

Bird Ho!
(https://i.imgur.com/QkHBDqM.jpg)
Title: Re: Scott of Thunder, have you ordered yet?
Post by: uwe on October 12, 2022, 03:14:47 PM: A Schnitzel diet for that ultimate mini skirt body - now we know!
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Post by: TBird1958 on October 12, 2022, 04:42:43 PM: Quote from: uwe on October 12, 2022, 03:14:47 PM
A Schnitzel diet for that ultimate mini skirt body - now we know!

If you have it without the mushroom gravy there's less calories dammit!
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Post by: uwe on October 12, 2022, 04:52:21 PM: And I thought Jägerschnitzel was already outlawed on the West Coast!

(https://cdn-eeoge.nitrocdn.com/hFujsWjRcqYlIbltuyYhyHJzXOSPstLs/assets/static/optimized/rev-1b6c64d/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Jaegersauce-Homann-1024x1024.jpg)

Good for 40 liters of mushroom gravy!
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Post by: Pilgrim on October 12, 2022, 05:27:20 PM: WHAT? NO GRAVY?

(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/chowhound.jpg)

From a classic Warner Bros. cartoon....
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Post by: uwe on October 13, 2022, 06:21:56 AM: Oozy-viscosy brown gravy with fat bubbles innit, yummy!
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Post by: lowend1 on October 13, 2022, 09:32:05 AM: Quote from: uwe on October 10, 2022, 04:26:30 AM
My first Slade gig around 1978/79 or so will always be etched in my memory for the only gig I ever witnessed where the music was so loud, a guy standing beside me by the bass bins of the outsize PA (they were playing a club, yet had a PA in there large enough for a mid-size hall, parts of it reached up to the ceiling of the place) caught nosebleed!

I had much the same experience (minus the bloody nose), and since the show was my first of any kind, it stuck with me to this day. The Hiwatts likely had much to do with this, since I was close enough to be absorbing their stage volume. I'm sure I've posted these here before, but in this thread they bear repetition...
(https://i.imgur.com/rer6nIT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/T2D4Tny.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cX0rUfQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zwdVy1E.jpg)
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Post by: westen44 on October 13, 2022, 06:40:26 PM: ^^^^^
Nice pics.
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Post by: uwe on October 14, 2022, 04:20:41 AM: You never posted any of this!!! What else have you been hiding? These are historical artefacts! As always, Jim tried hard to dress as a "serious musician", but Dave Hill contravened with usual aplomb! :mrgreen:

Happily, after a short derailment from Deep Purple to brown gravy - how did we get there? - we're back on track.
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Post by: TBird1958 on October 14, 2022, 11:26:11 AM: That's what Dave Hill was wearing when I saw them !
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Post by: lowend1 on October 14, 2022, 02:36:02 PM: Quote from: uwe on October 14, 2022, 04:20:41 AM
You never posted any of this!!! What else have you been hiding? These are historical artefacts!

Well, there's this... As a teenager (and before the Slade show), I found this book in my local library. A rather eclectic overview of "pop" music of that era that ran the gamut from The Osmonds to Sweet to Alice Cooper. Noteworthy is the third pic, which stopped me in my tracks and ultimately sent me off in search of winged musical instruments. I subsequently located my own copy of the book at a discount bookstore and proceeded to cut out all the cool pics to post on my bedroom wall. A couple years back, I started hunting for an unmolested copy to add to my collection. Ebay to the rescue!
(https://i.imgur.com/e8Fdo8B.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8Vx58KM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Su3s9y1.jpg)
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Post by: TBird1958 on October 14, 2022, 04:21:20 PM: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

REAL %$#@*&! Rock Stars there!
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Post by: godofthunder on November 08, 2022, 08:17:17 PM: Well how I missed this I've no clue. Nice to see so much discussion about SLADE and Jim Lea's playing. The only Slade stuff I've been purchasing is the vinyl splater discs that have been coming out. I did give Jim's Therapy album a good spin the other day. I was really blown away by Go out in Style, a real Slade like rocker with vocals that hint of the Clash. I have most of the live performances in the 5 disc set some official releases some not. I suppose I'll have to put it in my cart and drop some hints for Christmas. ;)
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Post by: uwe on November 09, 2022, 05:14:05 AM: See, you are always on my mind. I never forget things you like, said or did, both good and bad ...
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Post by: Highlander on December 11, 2022, 06:28:27 AM: Got an Xmas gig in Nairn (Scotland) on 23rd...
Care to guess what song we've dropped into the set...? lol
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Post by: uwe on December 11, 2022, 03:09:47 PM: Hmm, got me stumped here, perhaps something furry?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K16fG1sDagU
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Post by: Dave W on December 11, 2022, 11:04:24 PM: Or this?

https://youtu.be/gskdZQIn2lE