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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: godofthunder on March 12, 2022, 02:15:29 PM
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Just arrived! This thing is a monster and I am so glad I went for it! Please move if I'm in the wrong place. https://youtu.be/EVHHret5XX0
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Wow! What a sound! Have fun!
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That has to warm Carlo's heart
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I think it might have found a forever home . Congratulations , Scott ! Gotta say that seeing you with this made my day !
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That is exquisite.
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Uhum, Scott, can we hear the same thing over a Fender Twin Reverb please? :mrgreen:
As is, the instrument (not the most honorable and proficient player!) sounds like Lemmy and Johnny Ramone playing in unison. An acquired taste.
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Sorry, I know that distortion with multi-stringed basses has become de rigueur (and also that Scott's heart lies with a heavily overdriven bass sound), but I'm the odd man out and prefer a sound like this***:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2zurZig4L8
A little over-driven and very percussive, but not that distortion onslaught that bulldozes everything. (Whenever I saw Cheap Trick live, I could never discern a single melodic line Tom Petersson was playing, it bugged me big time.) There is a reason why I did not choose to become a rock guitarist.
***I'm perfectly cognizant of the fact that Lake's sound might not work in a band with guitars, much less distorted guitars, but if keyboard trios are the natural and most welcoming habitat of multi-stringed basses, then so be it.
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If someone can explain to me the appeal of Lemmy and the Ramones, I honestly still just don't get it. I never had anything against them, but just never related to whatever was going on.
As for that bass, it seems like a cool bass, although I don't think it could be used on most songs. Maybe folk rock, although that's a genre I never much got, either.
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"Maybe folk rock ..." :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Yeah, I can just see that, Peter, Paul & Mary & Scott of Thunder !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADN1lLEp3H0
Did I mention that I like both the Ramones and Peter, Paul & Mary?
But I understand what you're aiming at, I guess Jon Camp of Renaissance could have done something with an 8-string, I believe he occasionally even played one. But there are similarities to how Lake used it in ELP: a relatively clean and clear sound + no electric guitar in Renaissance!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfQ5kghxoLE
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Folk music is very diverse. But when someone is talking about it, it all depends on which folk artist you're talking about. Although I never listened to Renaissance, just the fact that Keith Relf was in the original line-up is a plus for me. I had been a big Yardbirds fan in my teens. But Renaissance is progressive rock to me, not really folk.
When I think of folk, I tend to associate it with what I heard when I was very young. I guess this would be traditional folk. People, for instance, like Burl Ives. In high school, most of us were listening to the Beatles and the Allman Brothers. But one of my best friends was rocking out to Burl Ives. It was amusing, at least to me. Of course, I respected everything he did, even if he liked that kind of music. He was smart and kind and remains so to this day. But our taste in music was definitely not the same.
Also, of course, there is Bob Dylan who really is a folk artist. I may not like folk too much, but I think he is great. I would call what he does folk rock. I think having an 8-string or 12 string bass might have worked on some of his songs.
Personally, to me one of the most positive things about folk rock was the influence that it had on some of the Beatles' music. I think "Rubber Soul" might have turned out differently without that.
A favorite song of Ricky's, my high school friend--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWxBbUQQ2M4&t=18s
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The first folk rock I heard was Peter, Paul & Mary. My family bought a portable stereo record player (the kind with the fold-down front and swing-out side speakers, which I still have) and it came with some albums. One of them was PP&M.
No wonder they were so big in the 60's. They had a great sound. I remember going to a concert of their in college, and I had "I Dig Rock & Roll Music" stuck in my head for three days afterwards.
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I always thought Wishbone Ash (especially their Mk I line-up with both - unrelated - Turners) had a strong English folk tinge, I liked that, ARGUS is basically an electrified folk album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98EweSUZP1s
Martin is a little hoarse here, must have been a grueling tour, his voice normally holds up well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frouiwRcNQQ
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Folk music is very diverse. But when someone is talking about it, it all depends on which folk artist you're talking about. Although I never listened to Renaissance, just the fact that Keith Relf was in the original line-up is a plus for me. I had been a big Yardbirds fan in my teens. But Renaissance is progressive rock to me, not really folk.
When I think of folk, I tend to associate it with what I heard when I was very young. I guess this would be traditional folk. People, for instance, like Burl Ives. In high school, most of us were listening to the Beatles and the Allman Brothers. But one of my best friends was rocking out to Burl Ives. It was amusing, at least to me. Of course, I respected everything he did, even if he liked that kind of music. He was smart and kind and remains so to this day. But our taste in music was definitely not the same.
Also, of course, there is Bob Dylan who really is a folk artist. I may not like folk too much, but I think he is great. I would call what he does folk rock. I think having an 8-string or 12 string bass might have worked on some of his songs.
Personally, to me one of the most positive things about folk rock was the influence that it had on some of the Beatles' music. I think "Rubber Soul" might have turned out differently without that.
A favorite song of Ricky's, my high school friend--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWxBbUQQ2M4&t=18s
Wolverton Mountain was a huge country (and crossover) hit for Claude King in 1962.
Clifton Clowers was a real person, a maternal uncle of Merle Kilgore, who wrote the song.
This is a great story.
https://youtu.be/TehoxDrN9Tw
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Wolverton Mountain was a huge country (and crossover) hit for Claude King in 1962.
Clifton Clowers was a real person, a maternal uncle of Merle Kilgore, who wrote the song.
This is a great story.
https://youtu.be/TehoxDrN9Tw
That really is a good story. The song itself is good, too. That was one of the Burle Ives songs that I didn't mind listening to. But my friend wanted to listen to everything Burl Ives did, just like I wanted to hear everything the Beatles did.
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I was singing along as you played. Well done!
Did you have that built or was it a resale?
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When you wack the hornets nest ;D Of course my first move is to run this bass through a overdriven tube head, btw the Hiwatt is the winner hands down. I'm a big fan of The Ramones (perfect fit for my ADHD riddled 15 year old self) Peter, Paul and Mary a fan of Motorhead as well. Jim Croce one of my favorite "folkies" can't forget The Seekers either or The Irish Rovers. I have a penchant for sea shanties. :) My dabbling with the mandolin has helped quite a bit on the transition to the 12ver. This bass has limited applications but, I have always wanted a 12ver and this was obviously the perfect bass for me.
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Btw thie bass was originally commissioned by Todd Hines and cycled through several owners. I purchased it from Joe Mendozza.
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"This bass has limited applications ..."
You've said it, Scott, that sums up 12-String basses. They are a wonder to play and hear for a song or two, but after a while the ultra-stiffness (No bending! How can someone like you of all people come to grips with that! :mrgreen: ) gets to you. They don't lend themselves to expressive, nuanced playing. And you're not really maneuverable with those things either, it's a bit like flying a P-38! :mrgreen:
(http://warbirdsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/Planes-of-Fame-Lockheed-P-38-Lightning.jpg)
Beautiful and impressive-looking plane, yet a bitch to fly and not dog-fight flexible at all.
But I'm happy you found one for yourself. It looks nice (for a Non-Rev!).
PS: So the fearsome Scott of Thunder is a closet folkie. The mind tongue boggles ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3em45zhVQ1E
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Not only could I never get a grasp of folk (with the exception of Dylan,) I also could never relate to gospel. My mother said as a pre-schooler I hated gospel so much, that whenever it was played, tears would come to my eyes and I would beg for it to stop.
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My (fully agnostic) mom liked Mahalia Jackson, so I grew up with it. She was still popular in Germany when her star had faded in the US. My wife likes gospel or anything with a gospel influence too - she's a great fan of black women singers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY2vSe4xlKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJg5Op5W7yw
How can you not like this? :mrgreen: ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1gxF7X5rg
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I do like "Oh Happy Day." In fact, when George Harrison was falsely accused of plagiarizing on "My Sweet Lord, I think he said it was "Oh Happy Day" that had influenced him, not "He's So Fine."
What I don't like is most traditional Southern gospel music. I won't even try to list the examples. There are many. But especially as a child I didn't like it and I doubt if anything could have been done about it. Also, most of what I'm talking about is gospel music by white people, not necessarily black. I've got a cousin whose favorite genre is Southern gospel. Which goes to show upbringing and genetics may have not have much to do with this.
As I got a little older, my favorite music was mostly Little Richard. My father was an engineer at a radio station and brought back the discarded records they didn't need. That's mostly how I got so much exposure to it. I'm sure Little Richard must have been influenced by gospel, but that isn't the point.
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Well, didn't he turn out to be a reverend after having served as the high priest of a-wop-bop-a-loo-bop-a-wop-bam-boom?
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Well, didn't he turn out to be a reverend after having served as the high priest of a-wop-bop-a-loo-bop-a-wop-bam-boom?
I've mentioned this in other posts. The drummer from our first band somehow ended up going on tour as the band opening for Little Richard. He has told stories I wouldn't repeat anywhere under any condition. I would have doubts about Little Richard. But that doesn't take away from his music which I thoroughly liked. Also, at some point it really is possible he turned over a new leaf.
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Bette Midler said Little Richard’s autobiography was so hot it popped the curlers right off her head .
So I bought it .
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Given the wonderful, but histrionic music he made, I'd be severely disappointed if he had led a dull private life. I never thought he might be Bill Haley.
And there would have been no Prince without him.
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Now they have banging guitar and no bass and call it rock, but that's not what I call rock--
Little Richard
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I'm still laughing that anyone is trying to 'get' the Ramones and Lemmy.
All you need to know about The Ramones is within the (subtly genius) lyrics of Rockaway Beach
Chewing out a rhythm on my bubble gum
The sun is high, and I want some
It's not hard not far to reach
We can head to Rockaway Beach
Up on the roof, out on the street
Down in the playground the hot concrete
Bus ride is too slow
They blast out the disco on the radio
Strangely, it seems there is an adament agreement across the decades between Dee Dee here (who wrote all their best lyrics - and continued to do so after he left the band) and Lizzo - it's all about the tempo (though granted, the Lizzo track is ironically slow, esp compared to anything by the Ramones, but perhaps that was to be demonstrative of the thesis as seems to be visually suggested in the video).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srq1FqFPwj0
Anyway, that's a cool ass bass and a righteously knarley sound with the MArshall, Scott. I am surprised Uwe isn't more into it because that's definately one angry ass piano, but I'll cut him some slack on account of getting old (pulling out the ELO; it'll be muzak next ;P).
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I posted this once before, Specialty Records owner Art Rupe discusses the discovery of Little Richard.
Art is apparently still with us at age 104.
https://youtu.be/JMxYVYeIAek
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Sigh ..., let me tell you something, Simba Jake:
I left the "angry piano sound" behind long ago! I woke up one day and was tired of it after having loved it for about two decades or so. I always wanted my bass to sound like this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALAWxatDoD0
No, not like the bass guitar in that song, I wanted it to sound like the Hohner Clavinet D6 that comes in at 00:44! :mrgreen: I only realized sometime in the late 80ies that that adorable sound came from a keyboard and that my quest had been futile. 8) Mind you, I still love that sound, but I now play with keyboarders and leave it in their capable hands, always urging them to "play some more clavinet".
Now, in the sunset of my bass playing days, I guess my dream bass sound is more like this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIAS9mygJi8
Now don't tell me that is a keyboard too!!! ;D
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I'm still laughing that anyone is trying to 'get' the Ramones and Lemmy.
All you need to know about The Ramones is within the (subtly genius) lyrics of Rockaway Beach
Chewing out a rhythm on my bubble gum
The sun is high, and I want some
It's not hard not far to reach
We can head to Rockaway Beach
Up on the roof, out on the street
Down in the playground the hot concrete
Bus ride is too slow
They blast out the disco on the radio
In 1988 I surprised all my working colleagues in Midtown Manhattan with my desire to "go to Rockaway Beach". They went: "Are you serious, no one goes there anymore. It's not really safe either." Well, I did, "up on the roof, out in the street". And loved the morbid atmosphere of it all, it was like walking an entertainment graveyard (and I love cemeteries). But the inspiration came from the Ramones, no doubt. Ric Ocasek homaged it too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx7l2nvIfpk
Thinking about it, there are definitely parallels - visually and vocally - between Joey R and Ric O. I wonder what they thought about each other.
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Everyone should definitely love Oh Happy Day. Mahalia is a national treasure who should be appreciated in her home country as much if not more than she is in Germany. The Quincy Jones version of Oh Happy Day is hip. I think Ray Brown played electric bass on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_osXGWo-os
Gospel is the soul of American music. There would be no rock if not for the wellspring of Gospel which is Ironic I suppose. Son House battled with the dichotomy of playing the Devil's music versus serving the Lord. Elvis ,The King of Rock was an unabashed Gospel fan. In my opinion the band Stuff wouldn't have amounted to much if not for Richard Tee's gospel drenched piano playing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saTB_03nOoM
Hard to understand how people can stray so far off the path. Whitney Houston was rooted in the church and ended up astray. Even though he faltered , Elvis still gives me inspiration with songs like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq5_tufkgJQ
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I'm still laughing that anyone is trying to 'get' the Ramones and Lemmy.
All you need to know about The Ramones is within the (subtly genius) lyrics of Rockaway Beach
Chewing out a rhythm on my bubble gum
The sun is high, and I want some
It's not hard not far to reach
We can head to Rockaway Beach
Up on the roof, out on the street
Down in the playground the hot concrete
Bus ride is too slow
They blast out the disco on the radio
Strangely, it seems there is an adament agreement across the decades between Dee Dee here (who wrote all their best lyrics - and continued to do so after he left the band) and Lizzo - it's all about the tempo (though granted, the Lizzo track is ironically slow, esp compared to anything by the Ramones, but perhaps that was to be demonstrative of the thesis as seems to be visually suggested in the video).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srq1FqFPwj0
Anyway, that's a cool ass bass and a righteously knarley sound with the MArshall, Scott. I am surprised Uwe isn't more into it because that's definately one angry ass piano, but I'll cut him some slack on account of getting old (pulling out the ELO; it'll be muzak next ;P).
I'm sorry that my taste (or lack of taste) doesn't meet up to your standards. Having said that I actually don't rate my own taste in music very high, either. It's very limited and I can't seem to keep myself from a small number of genres. My taste, unlike Uwe's, is not very eclectic. I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like. But when I say I don't "get" something it doesn't mean I don't know anything about it. In many cases, I do. For example, for years I didn't "get" U2. I still don't get them. I listened to them a lot, but could never understand the appeal.
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No knocking Adam Clayton now or Tom will get all protective again! :mrgreen:
(https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/8651d/39828927.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/Adam%20Clayton.JPG)
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I'm still laughing that anyone is trying to 'get' the Ramones and Lemmy.
All you need to know about The Ramones is within the (subtly genius) lyrics of Rockaway Beach
Chewing out a rhythm on my bubble gum
The sun is high, and I want some
It's not hard not far to reach
We can head to Rockaway Beach
Up on the roof, out on the street
Down in the playground the hot concrete
Bus ride is too slow
They blast out the disco on the radio
Strangely, it seems there is an adament agreement across the decades between Dee Dee here (who wrote all their best lyrics - and continued to do so after he left the band) and Lizzo - it's all about the tempo (though granted, the Lizzo track is ironically slow, esp compared to anything by the Ramones, but perhaps that was to be demonstrative of the thesis as seems to be visually suggested in the video).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srq1FqFPwj0
Anyway, that's a cool ass bass and a righteously knarley sound with the MArshall, Scott. I am surprised Uwe isn't more into it because that's definately one angry ass piano, but I'll cut him some slack on account of getting old (pulling out the ELO; it'll be muzak next ;P).
WTF?
I had to go back and see what you were responding to, and you're way out of line. We tease each other all the time about what we like (ask me what I think of Gene Simmons), but ridiculing a member for not getting someone you like? Definitely not cool.
And FFS, the Ramones and Lemmy, of all people? I thought the Ramones were a lot of fun, but they always had a shit ton of detractors, they were minimally talented, and subtle genius is about the last term I'd use to describe their lyrics. Rhyming tell 'em and cerebellum was about the limit of Dee Dee's lyrical ability. Lemmy was a great showman but I know more metal guys who disliked him than liked him.
Lizzo? :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Hey, anybody can ridicule my music tastes all they want!!! I'm used to it since school and totally immune to it. As a contrarian, there is nothing worse than the band you really like becoming truly popular. In 10th to 13th grade in school, I was commonly referred to as "Hard & Heavy Uwe" because I'd be listening to Purple, Quo, Judas Priest, Kiss, Uriah Heep, The Dictators, Scorpions, Rory Gallagher, New York Dolls, Alice Cooper, Johnny Winter, Ted Nugent, Rainbow, Whitesnake, BÖC, Runaways, Nazareth, UFO, Sweet and Suzi Quatro + jawohl, even the Ramones while everybody else was digging Pink Floyd, Supertramp, CSN&Y, Yes, Bob Dylan, Mike Oldfield, Genesis and Jethro Tull - , more "adult", proggish or folkish rock (I actually heard that too and liked it, but it didn't move me like hard rock).
I know lots of people who don't get the Ramones. Most women don't, they think they're, surprise, samey (now how unjust!) and somewhat silly. Same with Motörhead - let's face it, Lemmy couldn't sing, women are bothered by that. What the Ramones and Motörhead share is the larger than life comic book iconic visual image that transcends anything they ever did musically. That doesn't make them culturally less relevant. I'm happy they are a part of rock history even though Motörhead live (I saw them three times, with Philthy and Fast Eddie, with Brian Robertson and the final line-up) could be an unforgiving barrage of just noise.
And I disagree, Dave, Joey R wasn't a mindless lyricist. Stuff like "the KKK took my baby away" because your politically right-leaning guitarist is suddenly dating your former girlfriend as the left-leaning singer shows some tongue in cheek insight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx0zeMbLOCY
Jake is a (lovable) loudmouth and regularly mocking people here for what he perceives as uncool dinosaur boring old fart rock, I fall into that latter category myself. I think it's refreshing and offers a different perspective. Ditto for posting a Lizzo vid, why the hell not? Besides he now likes Birth Control, so it's not like he's not learning something from us old men.
Peace now! It's 45 years since the Ramones debut was released, culture wars are over.
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I wanted it to sound like the Hohner Clavinet D6 that comes in at 00:44! :mrgreen: I only realized sometime in the late 80ies that that adorable sound came from a keyboard and that my quest had been futile. 8)
That Clav sound is what I was going for too when I was 16. But I knew it was a keyboard. ;D That line at 00:57 in Boston's "Foreplay" was the sh!t to me. And still is to be honest. I no longer have a 12er, but the 8 string Ric takes good care of my multi-course needs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnwqUEelQjE
Having said that I actually don't rate my own taste in music very high, either. It's very limited and I can't seem to keep myself from a small number of genres. My taste, unlike Uwe's, is not very eclectic. I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like. But when I say I don't "get" something it doesn't mean I don't know anything about it. In many cases, I do.
This is fairly close to my feelings as well. I'm pretty picky and have always tended to not like a lot of popular music. But that doesn't mean I don't think other people should like it. Well, sometimes... :mrgreen:
No knocking Adam Clayton now or Tom will get all protective again! :mrgreen:
I come to the defense of my fellow Irishman a couple of times and I'm labelled a fanboy.
(https://c.tenor.com/JPkESyIjgKkAAAAM/joe-biden.gif)
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Darn Catholics. :mrgreen:
Belated happy St. Patrick's Day! Did you wear green, you little hornet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OPtpHe2tTc
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That Clav sound is what I was going for too when I was 16. But I knew it was a keyboard. ;D That line at 00:57 in Boston's "Foreplay" was the sh!t to me. And still is to be honest. I no longer have a 12er, but the 8 string Ric takes good care of my multi-course needs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnwqUEelQjE
This is fairly close to my feelings as well. I'm pretty picky and have always tended to not like a lot of popular music. But that doesn't mean I don't think other people should like it. Well, sometimes... :mrgreen:
I come to the defense of my fellow Irishman a couple of times and I'm labelled a fanboy.
(https://c.tenor.com/JPkESyIjgKkAAAAM/joe-biden.gif)
Of course I was serious about my taste in music. Part of that is the result of being here and seeing how some other people have such a wide and varied taste in music. I just don't have that and probably never will.
As for U2, my dislike for them has nothing at all to do with them being Irish. I just don't like their music, period. I've spent quite a lot of time in Ireland. It is one of my favorite countries--maybe even my favorite.
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Hey, anybody can ridicule my music tastes all they want!!! I'm used to it since school and totally immune to it. As a contrarian, there is nothing worse than the band you really like becoming truly popular. In 10th to 13th grade in school, I was commonly referred to as "Hard Rock Uwe" because I'd be listening to Purple, Quo, Judas Priest, Kiss, Uriah Heep, Scorpions, New York Dolls, Alice Cooper, Ted Nugent, Rainbow, Runaways, Sweet and Suzi Quatro + jawohl, even the Ramones while everybody else was digging Pink Floyd, Supertramp, CSN&Y, Yes, Bob Dylan, Mike Oldfield, Genesis and Jethro Tull - , more "adult", proggish or folkish rock (I actually heard that too and liked it, but it didn't move me like hard rock).
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You're totally, completely missing the point.
This isn't about ridiculing someone's tastes, it's about ridiculing someone for not being as "enlightened" as Jake thinks he is. Must be lonely there on that mountaintop, so cool and intellectually superior to the rest of us who don't have his gift of enlightenment.
You're a contrarian. So am I. Jake is just a jerk. And I'm tired of it.
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Where would I be if you didn't explain things to me, Dave!
More than a few people here are guilty of a little vanity when it comes down to their own personal musical taste. "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone ...".
Name calling isn't a solution.
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Where would I be if you didn't explain things to me, Dave!
More than a few people here are guilty of a little vanity when it comes down to their own personal musical taste. "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone ...".
Name calling isn't a solution.
You're still missing the point.
If the shoe fits... and in this case it does.
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I really blame Scott for all this. Distorted 12 strings are obviously a divisive subject. :rimshot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c79vlb6lBLY