The Last Bass Outpost
Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: ajkula66 on September 18, 2019, 09:32:12 PM
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I've never heard of - let alone seen - anything like this one...thoughts ?
https://reverb.com/item/28110195-gibson-bunny-brunel-4-str-fretless-1986-pearl-white
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It's a shame Uwe spent all his money on a knee :) He needs this more!
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Never seen it before.
Looks a bit like an Epiphone Embassy Standard IV from the nineties.
But with Alembic pickups? :o
And is that an extra jack output near the arm cut?
Could be anything. Needs some paper work to make it legit.
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Never seen it before.
Looks a bit like an Epiphone Embassy Standard IV from the nineties.
But with Alembic pickups? :o
And is that an extra jack output near the arm cut?
Could be anything. Needs some paper work to make it legit.
The seller is Bunny Brunel himself. The output jack is the same as on his later Carvin signature model.
Look at his other listings. He's selling one of his Carvin signatures and several of his ESP signatures, which I think are still being made.
I'm confident that it's legitimate. I also think that Uwe needs to jump on it. It may be even rarer than the Leland Sklar signature. For all we know, this could be one of a kind.
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this six string bass has the same type bridge and also has that extra jack output near the arm cut.
https://reverb.com/item/23801843-carvin-bunny-brunel-6-string-bass-fretted-black
(https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--l7861-su--/c_crop,h_1.000,w_0.750,x_0.156,y_0.000/f_auto,t_supersize/v1560444307/fh4t1e8bvzugcjr7zfpy.jpg)
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That's a Wilkinson bridge. Carvin used them on their solid body basses in the 90s.
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The seller is Bunny Brunel himself.
One "small"detail that I completely missed... :-X
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Is that an output jack, or a recessed Dunlop strap lock?
EDIT - Based on what I found in a quick Google search, I'm pretty sure it's a strap lock. Here's one thread - https://www.talkbass.com/threads/holding-the-bass-like-bunny-or-jaco.1305561/ (https://www.talkbass.com/threads/holding-the-bass-like-bunny-or-jaco.1305561/)
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Interesting...it looks like he puts a second lock on his strap at that location to keep the bass closer to vertical than horizontal.
(https://www.talkbass.com/attachments/image-jpeg.2767417/)
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Aaaargh, do not tempt me!!!!
I'm at an age where I have to think about culling the herd (as Bunny B seems to be obviously doing), not expanding it ...
But it sure looks interesting (though really butt-ugly in my view) ... will I be able to withstand? Most embarrassingly, I didn't even know who he was. :-[
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I'm at an age where I have to think about culling the herd (as Bunny B seems to be obviously doing), not expanding it ...
I did not expect to live to hear those words uttered on this site... I think I need to go and lie down in a darkened room... I can only perceive that the Apocalypse is upon us... :mrgreen:
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Aaaargh, do not tempt me!!!!
I'm at an age where I have to think about culling the herd (as Bunny B seems to be obviously doing), not expanding it ...
But it sure looks interesting (though really butt-ugly in my view) ... will I be able to withstand? Most embarrassingly, I didn't even know who he was. :-[
Whaaaat? :o :o :o
If you're seriously thinking about selling some of your collection, why not sell some of the more common models, especially the ones you have several of?
Bunny is well known in limited circles. I probably wouldn't have heard of him either if I hadn't been on Carvin's mailing list for years (all because I bought some strings from them a couple of times).
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Most embarrassingly, I didn't even know who he was. :-[
Come on, the guy have played with Allan Holdsworth!
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Come on, the guy have played with Allan Holdsworth!
Allan who ???
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Holdsworth I know! ;D
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Aaaargh, do not tempt me!!!!
I'm at an age where I have to think about culling the herd (as Bunny B seems to be obviously doing), not expanding it ...
But it sure looks interesting (though really butt-ugly in my view) ... will I be able to withstand? Most embarrassingly, I didn't even know who he was. :-[
Instead of collecting for fins, collect for sigs...…...
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It's not sold yet. He will ship overseas. Uwe, what are you waiting for?
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Bunny is well known in limited circles. I probably wouldn't have heard of him either if I hadn't been on Carvin's mailing list for years (all because I bought some strings from them a couple of times).
I saw Bunny with Chick Corea in the early '80s. Tap Step tour, IIRC.
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Allan who ???
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
In the late 80's I was really into Holdsworth, after discovering him on Pierre Moerlen's Gong album Gazeuse. I saw him in Philly in 1987 (with Jimmy Johnson on bass and Gary Husband on drums), he blew my mind. He was still playing "normal" electric guitar then, right before switching over completely to SynthAxe. He will be missed.
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In the late 80's I was really into Holdsworth, after discovering him on Pierre Moerlen's Gong album Gazeuse. I saw him in Philly in 1987 (with Jimmy Johnson on bass and Gary Husband on drums), he blew my mind. He was still playing "normal" electric guitar then, right before switching over completely to SynthAxe. He will be missed.
I was present for what I believe was his first official SynthAxe promotion in the UK. 1987 or '88.
Yes, he definitely was from another planet. RIP.
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In the late 80's I was really into Holdsworth, after discovering him on Pierre Moerlen's Gong album Gazeuse. I saw him in Philly in 1987 (with Jimmy Johnson on bass and Gary Husband on drums), he blew my mind. He was still playing "normal" electric guitar then, right before switching over completely to SynthAxe. He will be missed.
Side note #1 - I LOVE that Gong album
Side note #2 - Weird, I just mentioned the SynthAxe in another thread!
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Good to hear that fellow LBO'ers are fond of him..
It has annoyed me for years that none of the times I saw him was with Gary Husband on drums.
But then I saw a couple of days ago that he is playing drums in a trio in a Town just half an hour from where I live - tomorrow :)
I follow him on instagram, because he posts so much cool Allan stuff - and suddenly he's in my back yard. Small world!
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It's not sold yet. He will ship overseas. Uwe, what are you waiting for?
Hoping that someone else will pull the trigger before I succumb to peer pressure!
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Nobody else will want it.
It's a Gibson. They all sound muddy and they are for children with tiny hands.
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And this one doesn't even have those shiny metal things for the notes.
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Hoping that someone else will pull the trigger before I succumb to peer pressure!
Seriously, I'm surprised. Sure, it's not much to look at, but neither is the Lee Sklar signature. It's as if you've lost your completist urges.
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I'm trying to get a grip on them!
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My Idol has feet of clay... :o
Hmm... a secondary thought... the tighter the grip...
I'm trying to get a grip on them!
The more they fall through...? ;)
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MMMM Fretless.......
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Uwe, I'd think of it as a substitute for the pointy Gibson with black hardware you never got: http://archive.gibson.com/Files/USA_PDFs/Data_ContinentalV_bass.pdf (http://archive.gibson.com/Files/USA_PDFs/Data_ContinentalV_bass.pdf)
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Uwe, I'd think of it as a substitute for the pointy Gibson with black hardware you never got: http://archive.gibson.com/Files/USA_PDFs/Data_ContinentalV_bass.pdf (http://archive.gibson.com/Files/USA_PDFs/Data_ContinentalV_bass.pdf)
Another Gibson bass that I had no idea ever existed... :sad:
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Another Gibson bass that I had no idea ever existed... :sad:
That one never made it into production. At least a couple of prototypes existed.
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That one never made it into production. At least a couple of prototypes existed.
Thanks for educating me on that aspect of the story. I feel better now. Seriously.
Very Tobias-inspired design that one was, IMO. Not my cup of tea in the least.
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That one never made it into production. At least a couple of prototypes existed.
But none of them have ever surfaced.
Uwe saw one at a NAMM, ordered it, but Gibson never delivered.
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Playing a non-standard fretless Gibson I know this one would be of interest here if there was capability... she needs a home in Ze Kollection...
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But none of them have ever surfaced.
Uwe saw one at a NAMM, ordered it, but Gibson never delivered.
O ye of little faith! Why use the past tense? Gibson hasn't delivered yet! It's only been 14 years, Uwe is still hopeful! :mrgreen:
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:mrgreen:
Maybe we should send them a reminder.
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But none of them have ever surfaced.
Uwe saw one at a NAMM, ordered it, but Gibson never delivered.
I saw it at Frankfurt Musik Messe at the time, even held it in my hand (couldn't plug it), it looked the part, all boutiquish. Couldn't order it as they weren't sure at the time if they would ever bring it to Europe. Wouldn't sell the specimen on display either, said they needed to take it back to the US to show it around there. Later on the 2007/2008 financial crisis hit Gibson hard - both as regards their refinancing and their sales - and Henry J., cutting costs and uncertain projects, had the model shelved. I heard from a Gibson employee that all prototypes/music fair show models were scrapped.
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And now you have a shot at a one off Gibson bass made like none of the countless others. :P
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The listing now says
Predicted to Sell Soon
1 other person has this in their cart
I wonder, is that other person is from Frankfurt am Main? Does he have a finger poised in mid-air, waiting to strike? :mrgreen:
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https://media.giphy.com/media/l3UcqjMBeQzXaoqGI/giphy.gif (https://media.giphy.com/media/l3UcqjMBeQzXaoqGI/giphy.gif)
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The Apocalypse is finally upon us... :o
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https://media.giphy.com/media/l3UcqjMBeQzXaoqGI/giphy.gif (https://media.giphy.com/media/l3UcqjMBeQzXaoqGI/giphy.gif)
Perfect! :)
Uwe is strangely silent.
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Would that be the flying fickle finger??
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It may be what I call a "Comes A Time" moment... that sudden realisation that you can't always get what you wnat and have to settle for less... a more realistic vision of life...
Mine was being offered a very limited picture disc by Neil Young which cost me a 3 figure sum... 200 copies exist, all numbered, private distribution by a WB Exec as Christmas prezzies... the same person later offered me another even more limited pic disc for a 4 figure sum... a "Southern Pacific" pic disc of which less than 10 were made and distributed by NY to his friends...
Pass...
The copy of Comes A Time, which was long ago convereted into a clock, will be sitting on the wall in my music room once completed... curiously, it does keep good time... :D
Moving on, as I suspect a certain noted German kollector has done... ;)
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Uwe is hoping that someone else will buy this!
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Uwe is hoping that someone else will buy this!
This is just not like you. Seriously.
Call the doctor!
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Uwe is hoping that someone else will buy this!
An allergic reaction to titanium...…..
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This is just not like you. Seriously.
Call the doctor!
Dr. Banner!!!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/4e/ec/674eec6cb9570b7ae89ab57c663b387f.gif)
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In this case I think this might be The Last Bass Post and we all just go home and ponder what has just happened and have a gentle aperitif.
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If it was fretted I would have bought it weeks ago.
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Fear of unfretted basses is unfounded - seriously. I was always hesitant, but when I finally made the jump I took to it like a duck takes to water (and surprised myself, I'm generally not talented learning new things, it's all hard work and patience with me, as my son once put it so disrespectfully, yet aptly: "For your limited talent, you've turned into quite some bass player, dad." 8) ). The secret is just doing it and not thinking too much about it. You'll be surprised how good your muscle memory will be.
That is not to say that fretted basses don't have their place. I alternate as whim strikes me. The band guys by now don't even notice anymore what I'm playing unless I do blatant "yeoooow" fretless slides.
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The secret is just doing it and not thinking too much about it
In my experience (massive fretless use since 1986, including two years of not owning a fretted bass at all), the secret is (1) learning classical upright with a teacher, (2) fret lines.
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Well this bass almost ticks both boxes. With that extra strap button on the topside of the body the bass will hang almost vertically. Plus it has fret lines.
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In my experience (massive fretless use since 1986, including two years of not owning a fretted bass at all), the secret is (1) learning classical upright with a teacher, (2) fret lines.
But fret lines are for sissies, Ilan! :gay: Be a man and re-intonate while playing if you haven't hit it right the first time. Alternatively, just say the guitars are off-key, they usually are. ;)
And they look crap. Like support wheels. 8)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yT0AAOSw~HJctOyu/s-l1600.jpg)
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Blah blah blah.
Now buy the bloody bass Uwe. You're driving us nuts.
:popcorn:
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And they look crap. Like support wheels
You knew this was coming -
(https://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/media/jaco-pastorius-650-430.jpg)
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You knew this was coming -
(https://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/media/jaco-pastorius-650-430.jpg)
Check mate! ;D I'm happy to have lines since I play fretless so infrequently.
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IMO training wheels are better than face plants. I seldom play my fretless, but I'm grateful for the lines when I do.
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How I hate your unprovoked retaliations, Ilan! ;D :mrgreen:
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Still waffling, I see.
(https://i.imgur.com/CJmRXWg.gif)
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About the Bunny Brunel Signature bass (which is still up for sale at Reverb): There are also five string versions of this bass, Built by Gibson.
Bunny Brunel owns a red one with completely red hardware and red Bartolini pickups.
And Kyle Eastwood (yes the son of Clint) uses two of them on his world tours.
He is actually a protegé of Bunny Brunel.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/C7gan2Ur03dBZOxvvk4Icc-Ig6qZlK1XPzC6iAFtD2j3I9WyjhMT8b15XAtXtILWSBaNDFzZCdZCiT4yVT1KO51oxkU)
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/kyle-eastwood-performs-on-stage-at-the-jazz-arena-during-the-third-picture-id113276648?s=612x612)
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(https://i.imgur.com/ac7PqyP.gif)
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:mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-506PjBrKEA
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He HAS chops!
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Carvin should sue Gibson. ;D ;D (I know, they no longer exist)
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The Gibson Bunny Brunel Signature is a precursor to the Carvin
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Bunny must own the design. If it had been Gibson's design, Henry would have sued Carvin.
Speaking of Henry, is he still on the job?
(https://i.imgur.com/CAYemMX.png)
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I wonder if Henry ever raise the question: "What went wrong?"
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I wonder if Henry ever raise the question: "What went wrong?"
If he does, it probably would be to wonder what's wrong with everybody who didn't recognize his brilliance. He's that arrogant.
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The Gibson Bunny Brunel Signature is a precursor to the Carvin
Oh wow, I did not know that. I just looked at the ad again and saw that this one was made in 1986.
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Yes and Bunny Brunel designed it. He owns the rights. When Carvin folded he asked ESP/LTD to build the model. Which they still do.
https://www.espguitars.com/products?categories=bunny-brunel
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Carvin hasn't folded, they spun off the guitar business as Kiesel and kept the Carvin name for the audio business. Allegedly the sons of Lowell Kiesel (the founder) couldn't agree on the direction of the business so they split it.
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Carvin hasn't folded, they spun off the guitar business as Kiesel and kept the Carvin name for the audio business. Allegedly the sons of Lowell Kiesel (the founder) couldn't agree on the direction of the business so they split it.
Sons disagreeing on the direction a business should go is no surprise. It might be more surprising if they did agree. However, I really didn't know that's how things turned out with Carvin. I thought they had gone out of business, period.
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However, I really didn't know that's how things turned out with Carvin. I thought they had gone out of business, period.
That's my understanding as well.
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Carvin and Keisel split in 2015, and Carvin Audio shut down all US production of audio gear with their factory closure in 2017. They're still around, but like most of Peavey, selling overseas made product OEM'ed to their name.
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https://www.kieselguitars.com/
https://carvinaudio.com/
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Thank you for explaining Dave. I didn't know what exactly happened to Carvin.
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Looks like Carvin Audio doesn't have much for guitarists and bassists any more.
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I think Kiesel is quite big in the US? Like a bigger smalll brand? At the NAMM they have quite a big booth and it's always very, very crowded.
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I think Kiesel is quite big in the US? Like a bigger smalll brand? At the NAMM they have quite a big booth and it's always very, very crowded.
It's hard to say, since they only sell online and in their factory showroom.
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Did we mention them in the lawsuit thread?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8jnxvpHBs6/
When you get a cease and desist letter almost 40 years after your model comes out... (p.s. their trademark was fulfilled in 1995, our model came out in 1986)
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Did we mention them in the lawsuit thread?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8jnxvpHBs6/
I can't remember if we did, but I'm aware that Jeff Kiesel has said he'll fight Gibson if they're sued.
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Well, the listing for the bass has ended, it's not marked as having sold. I guess we'll find out about its fate at different time...
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Did we mention them in the lawsuit thread?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8jnxvpHBs6/
I'm not defending Gibson's boneheaded moves, but the younger Keisel matches them with his boneheaded claims there. Paul Stanley was playing a custom built offset V in 1973 (made by Charlie LoBue), so I'm not sure how his dad could have "designed in the mid 80s." Not to mention Randy Rhoads and Grover Jackson's 1981 builds, which added the bevel and had the elongated wing.
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Agreed! That Kiesel video made me cringe.
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I get your points. This is what happens when you hastily use social media to steam off anger. Kiesel did'nt make a revolutionary original design with that offset V, but the actual point I guess they're trying to make is that it is obviously different from the Gibson V.
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I get your points. This is what happens when you hastily use social media to steam off anger. Kiesel did'nt make a revolutionary original design with that offset V, but the actual point I guess they're trying to make is that it is obviously different from the Gibson V.
Exactly. No one is going to mistake it for a Gibson Flying V.
All of the variants - Carvin/Kiesel and the ones George mentions - were inspired by Gibson's Flying V, but inspiration doesn't infringe on Gibson's trademark, not to mention that Gibson's claims to their body shape trademarks are dubious since they were applied for long after copies were on the market.