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Title: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: ajkula66 on September 18, 2019, 09:32:12 PM
I've never heard of - let alone seen - anything like this one...thoughts ?

https://reverb.com/item/28110195-gibson-bunny-brunel-4-str-fretless-1986-pearl-white
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: amptech on September 18, 2019, 10:36:13 PM
It's a shame Uwe spent all his money on a knee :) He needs this more!
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on September 18, 2019, 10:40:52 PM
Never seen it before.
Looks a bit like an Epiphone Embassy Standard IV from the nineties.
But with Alembic pickups?  :o
And is that an extra jack output near the arm cut?

Could be anything. Needs some paper work to make it legit.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on September 18, 2019, 11:00:49 PM
Never seen it before.
Looks a bit like an Epiphone Embassy Standard IV from the nineties.
But with Alembic pickups?  :o
And is that an extra jack output near the arm cut?

Could be anything. Needs some paper work to make it legit.

The seller is Bunny Brunel himself. The output jack is the same as on his later Carvin signature model.

Look at his other listings. He's selling one of his Carvin signatures and several of his ESP signatures, which I think are still being made.

I'm confident that it's legitimate. I also think that Uwe needs to jump on it. It may be even rarer than the Leland Sklar signature. For all we know, this could be one of a kind.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on September 18, 2019, 11:05:17 PM
this six string bass has the same type bridge and also has that extra jack output near the arm cut.
https://reverb.com/item/23801843-carvin-bunny-brunel-6-string-bass-fretted-black

(https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--l7861-su--/c_crop,h_1.000,w_0.750,x_0.156,y_0.000/f_auto,t_supersize/v1560444307/fh4t1e8bvzugcjr7zfpy.jpg)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on September 18, 2019, 11:15:10 PM
That's a Wilkinson bridge. Carvin used them on their solid body basses in the 90s.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: ajkula66 on September 18, 2019, 11:28:18 PM
The seller is Bunny Brunel himself.

One "small"detail that I completely missed... :-X
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: gearHed289 on September 19, 2019, 08:02:12 AM
Is that an output jack, or a recessed Dunlop strap lock?

EDIT - Based on what I found in a quick Google search, I'm pretty sure it's a strap lock. Here's one thread - https://www.talkbass.com/threads/holding-the-bass-like-bunny-or-jaco.1305561/ (https://www.talkbass.com/threads/holding-the-bass-like-bunny-or-jaco.1305561/)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: BTL on September 19, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
Interesting...it looks like he puts a second lock on his strap at that location to keep the bass closer to vertical than horizontal.

(https://www.talkbass.com/attachments/image-jpeg.2767417/)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: uwe on September 19, 2019, 12:59:35 PM
Aaaargh, do not tempt me!!!!

I'm at an age where I have to think about culling the herd (as Bunny B seems to be obviously doing), not expanding it ...

But it sure looks interesting (though really butt-ugly in my view) ... will I be able to withstand? Most embarrassingly, I didn't even know who he was. :-[
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Highlander on September 19, 2019, 03:24:36 PM
I'm at an age where I have to think about culling the herd (as Bunny B seems to be obviously doing), not expanding it ...

I did not expect to live to hear those words uttered on this site... I think I need to go and lie down in a darkened room... I can only perceive that the Apocalypse is upon us...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on September 19, 2019, 09:33:14 PM
Aaaargh, do not tempt me!!!!

I'm at an age where I have to think about culling the herd (as Bunny B seems to be obviously doing), not expanding it ...

But it sure looks interesting (though really butt-ugly in my view) ... will I be able to withstand? Most embarrassingly, I didn't even know who he was. :-[

Whaaaat?  :o  :o  :o

If you're seriously thinking about selling some of your collection, why not sell some of the more common models, especially the ones you have several of?

Bunny is well known in limited circles. I probably wouldn't have heard of him either if I hadn't been on Carvin's mailing list for years (all because I bought some strings from them a couple of times).
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: amptech on September 19, 2019, 10:23:05 PM
Most embarrassingly, I didn't even know who he was. :-[

Come on, the guy have played with Allan Holdsworth!
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: ajkula66 on September 19, 2019, 11:43:34 PM
Come on, the guy have played with Allan Holdsworth!

Allan who ???

 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: uwe on September 20, 2019, 06:28:58 AM
Holdsworth I know!  ;D
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Grog on September 20, 2019, 06:34:10 AM
Aaaargh, do not tempt me!!!!

I'm at an age where I have to think about culling the herd (as Bunny B seems to be obviously doing), not expanding it ...

But it sure looks interesting (though really butt-ugly in my view) ... will I be able to withstand? Most embarrassingly, I didn't even know who he was. :-[

Instead of collecting for fins, collect for sigs...…...
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on September 22, 2019, 09:19:16 PM
It's not sold yet. He will ship overseas. Uwe, what are you waiting for?
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Jeff Scott on September 22, 2019, 09:39:25 PM
Bunny is well known in limited circles. I probably wouldn't have heard of him either if I hadn't been on Carvin's mailing list for years (all because I bought some strings from them a couple of times).
I saw Bunny with Chick Corea in the early '80s.  Tap Step tour, IIRC.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: ilan on September 23, 2019, 02:10:25 AM
Allan who ???

 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

In the late 80's I was really into Holdsworth, after discovering him on Pierre Moerlen's Gong album Gazeuse. I saw him in Philly in 1987 (with Jimmy Johnson on bass and Gary Husband on drums), he blew my mind. He was still playing "normal" electric guitar then, right before switching over completely to SynthAxe. He will be missed.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: ajkula66 on September 23, 2019, 07:02:33 AM
In the late 80's I was really into Holdsworth, after discovering him on Pierre Moerlen's Gong album Gazeuse. I saw him in Philly in 1987 (with Jimmy Johnson on bass and Gary Husband on drums), he blew my mind. He was still playing "normal" electric guitar then, right before switching over completely to SynthAxe. He will be missed.

I was present for what I believe was his first official SynthAxe promotion in the UK.  1987 or '88.

Yes, he definitely was from another planet. RIP.

Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: gearHed289 on September 23, 2019, 07:12:41 AM
In the late 80's I was really into Holdsworth, after discovering him on Pierre Moerlen's Gong album Gazeuse. I saw him in Philly in 1987 (with Jimmy Johnson on bass and Gary Husband on drums), he blew my mind. He was still playing "normal" electric guitar then, right before switching over completely to SynthAxe. He will be missed.

Side note #1 - I LOVE that Gong album

Side note #2 - Weird, I just mentioned the SynthAxe in another thread!
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: amptech on September 23, 2019, 11:21:25 PM
Good to hear that fellow LBO'ers are fond of him..

It has annoyed me for years that none of the times I saw him was with Gary Husband on drums.
But then I saw a couple of days ago that he is playing drums in a trio in a Town just half an hour from where I live - tomorrow :)
I follow him on instagram, because he posts so much cool Allan stuff - and suddenly he's in my back yard. Small world!
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: uwe on September 24, 2019, 02:21:20 AM
It's not sold yet. He will ship overseas. Uwe, what are you waiting for?

Hoping that someone else will pull the trigger before I succumb to peer pressure!
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on September 24, 2019, 06:47:05 AM
Nobody else will want it.
It's a Gibson. They all sound muddy and they are for children with tiny hands.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: uwe on September 24, 2019, 08:55:26 AM
And this one doesn't even have those shiny metal things for the notes.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on September 24, 2019, 11:39:49 PM
Hoping that someone else will pull the trigger before I succumb to peer pressure!

Seriously, I'm surprised. Sure, it's not much to look at, but neither is the Lee Sklar signature. It's as if you've lost your completist urges.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: uwe on September 27, 2019, 11:38:50 AM
I'm trying to get a grip on them!
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Highlander on September 27, 2019, 01:02:55 PM
My Idol has feet of clay... :o

Hmm... a secondary thought... the tighter the grip...

I'm trying to get a grip on them!

The more they fall through...?  ;)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: clankenstein on September 27, 2019, 01:23:45 PM
MMMM Fretless.......
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: doombass on September 27, 2019, 02:04:24 PM
Uwe, I'd think of it as a substitute for the pointy Gibson with black hardware you never got: http://archive.gibson.com/Files/USA_PDFs/Data_ContinentalV_bass.pdf (http://archive.gibson.com/Files/USA_PDFs/Data_ContinentalV_bass.pdf)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: ajkula66 on September 27, 2019, 02:47:52 PM
Uwe, I'd think of it as a substitute for the pointy Gibson with black hardware you never got: http://archive.gibson.com/Files/USA_PDFs/Data_ContinentalV_bass.pdf (http://archive.gibson.com/Files/USA_PDFs/Data_ContinentalV_bass.pdf)

Another Gibson bass that I had no idea ever existed... :sad:
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on September 27, 2019, 09:07:09 PM
Another Gibson bass that I had no idea ever existed... :sad:

That one never made it into production. At least a couple of prototypes existed.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: ajkula66 on September 27, 2019, 09:54:28 PM
That one never made it into production. At least a couple of prototypes existed.

Thanks for educating me on that aspect of the story. I feel better now. Seriously.

Very Tobias-inspired design that one was, IMO. Not my cup of tea in the least.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on September 28, 2019, 12:34:10 AM
That one never made it into production. At least a couple of prototypes existed.

But none of them have ever surfaced.
Uwe saw one at a NAMM, ordered it, but Gibson never delivered.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Highlander on September 28, 2019, 11:31:35 AM
Playing a non-standard fretless Gibson I know this one would be of interest here if there was capability... she needs a home in Ze Kollection...
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on September 28, 2019, 09:24:21 PM
But none of them have ever surfaced.
Uwe saw one at a NAMM, ordered it, but Gibson never delivered.

O ye of little faith! Why use the past tense? Gibson hasn't delivered yet! It's only been 14 years, Uwe is still hopeful!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on September 29, 2019, 02:25:04 AM
 :mrgreen:
Maybe we should send them a reminder.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: uwe on October 04, 2019, 11:06:34 AM
But none of them have ever surfaced.
Uwe saw one at a NAMM, ordered it, but Gibson never delivered.

I saw it at Frankfurt Musik Messe at the time, even held it in my hand (couldn't plug it), it looked the part, all boutiquish. Couldn't order it as they weren't sure at the time if they would ever bring it to Europe. Wouldn't sell the  specimen on display either, said they needed to take it back to the US to show it around there. Later on the 2007/2008 financial crisis hit Gibson hard - both as regards their refinancing and their sales - and Henry J., cutting costs and uncertain projects, had the model shelved. I heard from a Gibson employee that all prototypes/music fair show models were scrapped.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: doombass on October 04, 2019, 02:54:53 PM
And now you have a shot at a one off Gibson bass made like none of the countless others.  :P
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on October 04, 2019, 06:50:47 PM
The listing now says
 
Predicted to Sell Soon
1 other person has this in their cart

I wonder, is that other person is from Frankfurt am Main? Does he have a finger poised in mid-air, waiting to strike?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: clankenstein on October 05, 2019, 06:05:59 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/l3UcqjMBeQzXaoqGI/giphy.gif (https://media.giphy.com/media/l3UcqjMBeQzXaoqGI/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Highlander on October 06, 2019, 07:12:35 AM
The Apocalypse is finally upon us... :o
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on October 06, 2019, 09:46:16 AM
https://media.giphy.com/media/l3UcqjMBeQzXaoqGI/giphy.gif (https://media.giphy.com/media/l3UcqjMBeQzXaoqGI/giphy.gif)

Perfect!  :)

Uwe is strangely silent.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Pilgrim on October 06, 2019, 10:53:20 AM
Would that be the flying fickle finger??
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2019, 02:25:18 AM
It may be what I call a "Comes A Time" moment... that sudden realisation that you can't always get what you wnat and have to settle for less... a more realistic vision of life...
Mine was being offered a very limited picture disc by Neil Young which cost me a 3 figure sum... 200 copies exist, all numbered, private distribution by a WB Exec as Christmas prezzies... the same person later offered me another even more limited pic disc for a 4 figure sum... a "Southern Pacific" pic disc of which less than 10 were made and distributed by NY to his friends...
Pass...
The copy of Comes A Time, which was long ago convereted into a clock, will be sitting on the wall in my music room once completed... curiously, it does keep good time... :D
Moving on, as I suspect a certain noted German kollector has done... ;)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: uwe on October 07, 2019, 04:06:56 PM
Uwe is hoping that someone else will buy this!
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on October 07, 2019, 11:03:11 PM
Uwe is hoping that someone else will buy this!

This is just not like you. Seriously.

Call the doctor!
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Grog on October 08, 2019, 06:41:47 AM
Uwe is hoping that someone else will buy this!

An allergic reaction to titanium...…..
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: uwe on October 08, 2019, 10:15:27 AM
This is just not like you. Seriously.

Call the doctor!

Dr. Banner!!!

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/4e/ec/674eec6cb9570b7ae89ab57c663b387f.gif)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: copacetic on October 08, 2019, 12:54:54 PM
In this case I think this might be The Last Bass Post and we all just go home and ponder what has just happened and have a gentle aperitif.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: the mojo hobo on October 09, 2019, 07:34:57 PM
If it was fretted I would have bought it weeks ago.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: uwe on October 10, 2019, 07:24:42 AM
Fear of unfretted basses is unfounded - seriously. I was always hesitant, but when I finally made the jump I took to it like a duck takes to water (and surprised myself, I'm generally not talented learning new things, it's all hard work and patience with me, as my son once put it so disrespectfully, yet aptly: "For your limited talent, you've turned into quite some bass player, dad."  8) ). The secret is just doing it and not thinking too much about it. You'll be surprised how good your muscle memory will be.

That is not to say that fretted basses don't have their place. I alternate as whim strikes me. The band guys by now don't even notice anymore what I'm playing unless I do blatant "yeoooow" fretless slides.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: ilan on October 10, 2019, 07:32:18 AM
The secret is just doing it and not thinking too much about it

In my experience (massive fretless use since 1986, including two years of not owning a fretted bass at all), the secret is (1) learning classical upright with a teacher, (2) fret lines.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on October 10, 2019, 08:22:54 AM
Well this bass almost ticks both boxes. With that extra strap button on the topside of the body the bass will hang almost vertically. Plus it has fret lines.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: uwe on October 11, 2019, 10:07:06 AM
In my experience (massive fretless use since 1986, including two years of not owning a fretted bass at all), the secret is (1) learning classical upright with a teacher, (2) fret lines.

But fret lines are for sissies, Ilan!  :gay:  Be a man and re-intonate while playing if you haven't hit it right the first time. Alternatively, just say the guitars are off-key, they usually are.  ;)

And they look crap. Like support wheels.  8)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yT0AAOSw~HJctOyu/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on October 11, 2019, 11:36:21 PM
Blah blah blah.
Now buy the bloody bass Uwe. You're driving us nuts.
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: ilan on October 12, 2019, 10:01:44 AM
And they look crap. Like support wheels

You knew this was coming -

(https://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/media/jaco-pastorius-650-430.jpg)

Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: gearHed289 on October 14, 2019, 07:40:11 AM
You knew this was coming -

(https://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/media/jaco-pastorius-650-430.jpg)

Check mate!  ;D I'm happy to have lines since I play fretless so infrequently.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Pilgrim on October 14, 2019, 08:12:56 AM
IMO training wheels are better than face plants. I seldom play my fretless, but I'm grateful for the lines when I do.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: uwe on October 15, 2019, 06:58:33 PM
How I hate your unprovoked retaliations, Ilan!  ;D :mrgreen:
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on October 16, 2019, 02:25:57 PM
Still waffling, I see.

(https://i.imgur.com/CJmRXWg.gif)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on March 26, 2020, 01:47:29 PM
About the Bunny Brunel Signature bass (which is still up for sale at Reverb): There are also five string versions of this bass, Built by Gibson.
Bunny Brunel owns a red one with completely red hardware and red Bartolini pickups.

And Kyle Eastwood (yes the son of Clint) uses two of them on his world tours.
He is actually a protegé of Bunny Brunel.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/C7gan2Ur03dBZOxvvk4Icc-Ig6qZlK1XPzC6iAFtD2j3I9WyjhMT8b15XAtXtILWSBaNDFzZCdZCiT4yVT1KO51oxkU)

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/kyle-eastwood-performs-on-stage-at-the-jazz-arena-during-the-third-picture-id113276648?s=612x612)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on March 26, 2020, 02:19:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ac7PqyP.gif)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on March 26, 2020, 02:29:41 PM
 :mrgreen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-506PjBrKEA
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Rob on March 26, 2020, 03:54:40 PM
He HAS chops!
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: gearHed289 on March 27, 2020, 08:17:22 AM
Carvin should sue Gibson.  ;D ;D (I know, they no longer exist)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on March 27, 2020, 08:49:51 AM
The Gibson Bunny Brunel Signature is a precursor to the Carvin
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on March 27, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Bunny must own the design. If it had been Gibson's design, Henry would have sued Carvin.

Speaking of Henry, is he still on the job?

(https://i.imgur.com/CAYemMX.png)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: doombass on March 27, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
I wonder if Henry ever raise the question: "What went wrong?"
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on March 27, 2020, 10:28:44 PM
I wonder if Henry ever raise the question: "What went wrong?"

If he does, it probably would be to wonder what's wrong with everybody who didn't recognize his brilliance. He's that arrogant.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: gearHed289 on March 31, 2020, 08:53:49 AM
The Gibson Bunny Brunel Signature is a precursor to the Carvin

Oh wow, I did not know that. I just looked at the ad again and saw that this one was made in 1986.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on March 31, 2020, 09:09:10 AM
Yes and Bunny Brunel designed it. He owns the rights. When Carvin folded he asked ESP/LTD to build the model. Which they still do.

https://www.espguitars.com/products?categories=bunny-brunel
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on March 31, 2020, 03:57:45 PM
Carvin hasn't folded, they spun off the guitar business as Kiesel and kept the Carvin name for the audio business. Allegedly the sons of Lowell Kiesel (the founder) couldn't agree on the direction of the business so they split it.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: westen44 on March 31, 2020, 07:53:29 PM
Carvin hasn't folded, they spun off the guitar business as Kiesel and kept the Carvin name for the audio business. Allegedly the sons of Lowell Kiesel (the founder) couldn't agree on the direction of the business so they split it.

Sons disagreeing on the direction a business should go is no surprise.  It might be more surprising if they did agree.  However, I really didn't know that's how things turned out with Carvin.  I thought they had gone out of business, period. 
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: ajkula66 on March 31, 2020, 07:56:56 PM
  However, I really didn't know that's how things turned out with Carvin.  I thought they had gone out of business, period.

That's my understanding as well.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on March 31, 2020, 08:04:42 PM
Carvin and Keisel split in 2015, and Carvin Audio shut down all US production of audio gear with their factory closure in 2017. They're still around, but like most of Peavey, selling overseas made product OEM'ed to their name.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on March 31, 2020, 08:15:32 PM
https://www.kieselguitars.com/

https://carvinaudio.com/
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on April 01, 2020, 01:31:31 PM
Thank you for explaining Dave. I didn't know what exactly happened to Carvin.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on April 01, 2020, 03:11:35 PM
Looks like Carvin Audio doesn't have much for guitarists and bassists any more.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Chris P. on April 02, 2020, 02:03:51 AM
I think Kiesel is quite big in the US? Like a bigger smalll brand? At the NAMM they have quite a big booth and it's always very, very crowded.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on April 02, 2020, 09:11:58 PM
I think Kiesel is quite big in the US? Like a bigger smalll brand? At the NAMM they have quite a big booth and it's always very, very crowded.

It's hard to say, since they only sell online and in their factory showroom.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: slinkp on April 03, 2020, 10:48:05 AM
Did we mention them in the lawsuit thread?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8jnxvpHBs6/
Quote
When you get a cease and desist letter almost 40 years after your model comes out... (p.s. their trademark was fulfilled in 1995, our model came out in 1986)
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on April 03, 2020, 06:36:09 PM
Did we mention them in the lawsuit thread?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8jnxvpHBs6/

I can't remember if we did, but I'm aware that Jeff Kiesel has said he'll fight Gibson if they're sued.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: ajkula66 on April 07, 2020, 09:38:24 PM
Well, the listing for the bass has ended, it's not marked as having sold. I guess we'll find out about its fate at different time...
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: OldManC on April 08, 2020, 09:21:29 AM
Did we mention them in the lawsuit thread?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8jnxvpHBs6/

I'm not defending Gibson's boneheaded moves, but the younger Keisel matches them with his boneheaded claims there. Paul Stanley was playing a custom built offset V in 1973 (made by Charlie LoBue), so I'm not sure how his dad could have "designed in the mid 80s." Not to mention Randy Rhoads and Grover Jackson's 1981 builds, which added the bevel and had the elongated wing.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Basvarken on April 08, 2020, 12:04:21 PM
Agreed! That Kiesel video made me cringe.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: doombass on April 08, 2020, 03:53:59 PM
I get your points. This is what happens when you hastily use social media to steam off anger. Kiesel did'nt make a revolutionary original design with that offset V, but the actual point I guess they're trying to make is that it is obviously different from the Gibson V.
Title: Re: A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..
Post by: Dave W on April 08, 2020, 07:46:59 PM
I get your points. This is what happens when you hastily use social media to steam off anger. Kiesel did'nt make a revolutionary original design with that offset V, but the actual point I guess they're trying to make is that it is obviously different from the Gibson V.

Exactly. No one is going to mistake it for a Gibson Flying V.

All of the variants - Carvin/Kiesel and the ones George mentions - were inspired by Gibson's Flying V, but inspiration doesn't infringe on Gibson's trademark, not to mention that Gibson's claims to their body shape trademarks are dubious since they were applied for long after copies were on the market.