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Gear Discussion Forums => Bill's Shop: Projects, Mods & Repairs => Topic started by: Pilgrim on March 09, 2013, 05:44:57 PM
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I just picked up a pair of Tele bass bodies from a gent on TalkBass...evidently he had these around and just wans't goign to get to them. I've been thinking of building my own Telecaster-style bass for some time, and these were nice enough and priced well enough that I thought I'd go for it. He sold them as a pair so I will need to decide which body to use.
First, a body with a redwood cap and contrasting wood insert on the front. The neck area is not routed.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Telecaster%20Bass%20Project/20130309_131339_zps58a5b102.jpg)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Telecaster%20Bass%20Project/20130309_173752_zpsd1b06e2a.jpg)
Second, this body has an orange maple cap on the front, and some really nice wood on the back. It has two pickup routs, and has a rather generic neck rout:
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Telecaster%20Bass%20Project/20130309_131404_zps7016da40.jpg)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Telecaster%20Bass%20Project/20130309_131412_zps1d495626.jpg)
I really like the redwood with the insert, but the back is not as nice as the other body, although it has impressive grain visible. The orange maple cap has lovely wood both front and back.
Comments?
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Those look nice. The redwood is really neat looking.
You going shortscale? My first bass project was an Alder slab that I made into a telecaster body - I wish I had made it a shortie.
Best of luck.
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I like the redwood top better. JMHO, YMMV etc.
You already know you'll have better balance going short scale.
Assuming these are standard dimension Tele guitar bodies, then you'll be needing a neck with a narrower heel than a standard long scale Fender bass. The routed pocket (or the area to be routed on the redwood top one) is meant for a neck that's 2 3/16" at the bottom of the heel (like a Mustang bass or a Tele guitar), rather than 2 1/2" for a P or J. You'll have narrower string spacing and you'll need a bridge to accommodate narrower string spacing, also like a Mustang or Musicmaster bass. If you use the wider neck, you'll have overhang at the sides not supported by the neck pocket.
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Both look nice but that Redwood top is killer!!
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Thanks for the info, Dave. I had short scale in mind, as I really do want to preserve the balance. I also find that I'm increasingly fond of short scale basses. I definitely wouldn't want to rout the orange maple body any wider - it has minimal material on the G-side already. String spacing isn't an impediment - I'm OK with that.
I'm in no rush with this, so it may be a while. I also have limited routing skills and no templates, nor have I made any routing templates. I foresee some experimentation with 2x12 material to learn how to tour for necks and pickups.
I'm quite undecided as to a pickup if I use the redwood body. I have in stock a couple of Gretsch Filtertrons, a '51 Fender single coil, and a spare Gretsch 2202 pickup. If I use the orange maple body, I'll probably end up with a pair of '51 style pickups.
With the fantastic wood in both of these, I'm not planning to add a pickguard.
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... With the fantastic wood in both of these, I'm not planning to add a pickguard.
That would be a waste...
I presume that is sequoia...? Not seen it used before; presumed decorative rather than "hardwood" but not familiar with it's use...
Beautiful... that would be my choice, purely on the look of the timber... looks like flowing silk...
My only (personal) problem is that I've never "got" the shape... each to their own... You mentioned the back wood figuring... It is the back and the only time you will look at it is when you put her back in the case, and that will only be to inspect for "buckle-rash" - the impression you should look for is the front alone, as that is where your eyes (and anyone elses) will fall... as for the "sound" you are looking for, that is so "personal" a choice it can only be answered by you... if the "sound" of Uwe's (ex George's) white TBII is so "perfect" why would anyone ever want a two pup 'Bird...?
Look at the choices and go with your gut...
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Hey, cool project! I have a tone of templates for necks, including tele guitar sized as well. Once you know what you're going to do, let me know and I'll copy one for you. Got some pickup ones too. I think a short scale would be best too. I would consider using a Mustang or Musicmaster neck off eBay, I've done that before. Finding a 30" neck new can be crazy expensive.
I currently have a Musicmaster neck i'm gonna use for a Mustang project. I'm gonna to try and make a copy of it. If I get it done and to my satisfaction, I can make one for you if you're interested.
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Looks like a fun project! Aren't the new Squier Tele basses medium scale? I think I'd got that route.
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Hey, cool project! I have a tone of templates for necks, including tele guitar sized as well. Once you know what you're going to do, let me know and I'll copy one for you. Got some pickup ones too. I think a short scale would be best too. I would consider using a Mustang or Musicmaster neck off eBay, I've done that before. Finding a 30" neck new can be crazy expensive.
I currently have a Musicmaster neck i'm gonna use for a Mustang project. I'm gonna to try and make a copy of it. If I get it done and to my satisfaction, I can make one for you if you're interested.
Great advice! Bill, I will shamelessly ask you for advice as it's needed. I'll start neck-searching and announce it here if i find one. Mustang or Musicmaster necks should work.
What do you think of this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-Musicmaster-Bass-Neck-1978-good-condition-no-reserve-/330880614612?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d0a0580d4
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Looks like a fun project! Aren't the new Squier Tele basses medium scale? I think I'd got that route.
And incur the wrath of Dave and Uwe? :vader:
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Great advice! Bill, I will shamelessly ask you for advice as it's needed. I'll start neck-searching and announce it here if i find one. Mustang or Musicmaster necks should work.
What do you think of this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-Musicmaster-Bass-Neck-1978-good-condition-no-reserve-/330880614612?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d0a0580d4
That looks about like mine. The trussrod is the main issue, as long as it works, these necks are easy to dress up or you can use as is. The one I have is for a model and I'll probably leave it alone. But, I have totally rehabbed and refinished these before and got a great look out of them.
Anything you need, don't hesitate to ask!
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I've posted this a hundred times before, but I thought I'd refresh for folks who may not have seen it.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/Builds%20and%20Refurbs/telemasterfinished.jpg)
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I've posted this a hundred times before, but I thought I'd refresh for folks who may not have seen it.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/Builds%20and%20Refurbs/telemasterfinished.jpg)
I hadn't seen this - way cool.
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Bill, didn't you put Filtertrons in that bass?
As an always-price-conscious type, I spotted this new style short scale Jag neck. I think it would work, too. They have a nice satin finish on back and the headstock can be cleaned off an painted as needed.
This one has the right price...at least for now...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Squier-Vintage-Modified-Jaguar-Bass-Special-SS-Short-Scale-Neck-/130866456639?pt=Guitar&hash=item1e783fa83f
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I would go for the Musicmaster neck, if it's in good working order and stays reasonable.
FWIW, there's a guy at the TDPRI who is building a Tele-bodied bass using the medium scale Squier VM neck. He mentioned that the standard neck pocket had to be widened (and lengthened) and from the pics he's posted so far, looks like the neck is wider than the portion of the pocket that extends above the body. Not a good situation, IMHO best avoided.
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Hmmm. Interesting. I notice no heel dimensions are given on the Jag listing.
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Hmmm. Interesting. I notice no heel dimensions are given on the Jag listing.
Worth checking before you buy, but that's a short scale neck. I was talking about the 32" scale Squier VM Tele Bass neck.
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The Squire would be ok, but I'm with Dave on the Musicmaster neck. With a 30" scale it might be a good fit. Ask the seller for heel dimensions.
Yeah, I used Ric pups when you could still get them. Now, I'd go for TV Jones.
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I hadn't seen this - way cool.
Thanks. It was my first project ever!
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OK, got a neck! $127 including shipping.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-Musicmaster-Bass-Neck-1978-good-condition-no-reserve-/330880614612?nma=true&si=4hL6vIMEaoS%252BGeNE9Awc4M8Bz7g%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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OK, got a neck! $127 including shipping.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-Musicmaster-Bass-Neck-1978-good-condition-no-reserve-/330880614612?nma=true&si=4hL6vIMEaoS%252BGeNE9Awc4M8Bz7g%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Looks good. Let us know if it fits the pocket rout when you get it.
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I'll reflect on whether to leave the Fender decal on the headstock or not. Since it will obviously not be a factory bass, I might leave it and enjoy the patina of the headstock and decal.
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Nice score! I'd leave the decal one it's gone it's gone.
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I'll reflect on whether to leave the Fender decal on the headstock or not. Since it will obviously not be a factory bass, I might leave it and enjoy the patina of the headstock and decal.
It's a real Fender neck, so why not?
Looks good. Let us know if it fits the pocket rout when you get it.
It's the right dimension as far as width at the heel, it won't be too wide for the body, but Tele neck pockets are squared off and the Musicmaster is slightly rounded like a Strat. Plus I think the original Musicmaster/Mustang pockets are a little longer. Not a problem if he uses the unrouted body.
The routed body would need some adjustment at the end of the pocket. It also doesn't have any extension above the body, so there's not as much support for the heel unless. That probably won't be a structural problem.
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I would think that the routed body would be too much work to adapt and by selling that body off you could partially fund the build.
Take some really good pictures and place a carefully worded listing on the Ebay and you could do very well as it's a great looking body.
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I'd leave the headstock logo and finish alone.
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Nice score! I'd leave the decal one it's gone it's gone.
I'd leave the headstock logo and finish alone.
These capture my thoughts well. Unmodified it shall remain.
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Lovely aged look, Al... the neck's good too...
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Lovely aged look, Al... the neck's good too...
:rimshot:
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I'll keep working on my personal "lovely aged look". I'd really like to avoid having anyone sand me down and refin me. :sad:
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Leaving it in tact is a good idea. It is a genuine Fender neck, vintage even! Yeah, I'm gonna leave mine alone as well. If I make another like it, then I can do whatever I want with it.
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The Musicmaster neck is in, and it shows the wear one would expect...but not abuse. Looks like the tuner holes in the headstock may be a little different diameter than most tuners today, but I haven't had time for careful measurement yet.
I did determine that the base of the neck is just slightly wider than the rout in the bass body which has been cut, but that's not a show stopper.
I'm absolutely stacked up with stuff until May, but hopefully can get started on it then. I still have to figure out which body to use, so I'll check in again when I decide which direction to go with that.
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It's good the neck is a little bigger. It's a lot easier to rout out the cavity, than make it smaller!
If you'd like a neck routing template, let me know and I'll make one from my Musicmaster neck for you.
The older MM necks used the smaller tuners with little posts, hard to find these days, but they do pop up occasionally on eBay. You might want to enlarge the holes and use something larger/newer. BTW, the Hipshot RIC style tuners might fit in there pretty good. Check out their specs on the Hipshot web site.