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Title: Slade Time
Post by: EvilLordJuju on January 15, 2008, 06:28:32 PM
Have you seen this clip of Jim Lea getting down?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffZXnWkbkgs

Heres another great clip of slade, just to add some balance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLm9iBUAogk
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: rockinrayduke on January 15, 2008, 06:57:26 PM
Thanks, Jules! I loves me some Jimmy Lea! That could have gone on for another couple of minutes and I'd been happy.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: EvilLordJuju on January 15, 2008, 09:02:05 PM
Yeah, it is a bit short, but nice to see and hear it close up
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on January 15, 2008, 10:25:38 PM

 That's some great stuff ........really both clips  ;)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: doombass on January 16, 2008, 02:19:57 AM
I've seen the first one before. Really nice (I think I PM:d Scott about it).

The second one was nice too.  ;D
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on January 16, 2008, 04:46:46 AM
 Jimmy Lea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Thanks Jules.  Bass look familiar ? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/100_2049.jpg)   If all goes well I''ll have a Hiwatt DR201 frome SLADE's backline at the end of the month Keeping my fingers crossed !
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Barklessdog on January 16, 2008, 05:43:19 AM
That bass gives me GAS everytime I see it
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on January 16, 2008, 05:57:23 AM
 I am so lucky to have this bass, a number of old guard Slade fans over in the UK helped make it happen, one in particular my buddy Stu R. The bass is signed by Jimmy himself !
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on January 16, 2008, 08:13:48 AM
But he's not just nimble with his fingers. He has a nice voice, writes good music and lyrics, writes and plays (!) string arrangements (he played violin before he played bass or guitar) and his 2007 solo album (only available via his website) is great. Loads of good tunes and thoughtful lyrics with the old Slade beatlish influences always lurking around the corner.

Uwe

PS: When do you finally interview your fellow Brit, Jules?
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on January 16, 2008, 08:31:11 AM
Uwe, Btw I am shipping you a  Johnny Smoke CD today and someone from the Slade board ahs burned me a copy of Jim's new CD, can't wait to hear it. Yes Jule interview Jimmy !
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: EvilLordJuju on January 16, 2008, 11:50:41 AM
When do you finally interview your fellow Brit, Jules?

I'd like to interview him, but he's made it clear he has no email, and only has a website because his record label told him he had to have one. I get the impression he'd rather lead as quiet a life as possible. The only way I can see to get in touch is to write a letter to his record company... which I have been considering actually. Maybe a good candidate for this year.....
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on January 16, 2008, 12:26:42 PM
I'd volunteer to interview him anytime!
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Dave W on January 16, 2008, 12:29:21 PM
I'd volunteer to interview him anytime!

Sue him for failing to have an email, and get your interview when you bring him in for a deposition.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on January 16, 2008, 05:50:39 PM
 Jim does seem to want to live as quite a life as possible, I'm still amazed that he surfaced and put his bass up as a pattern for mine and signed it, all in front of a camera ! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/000_0065.jpg)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: rockinrayduke on January 16, 2008, 08:18:14 PM
I have to include him as an influence on me, ever since I saw them on ABC's "In Concert" back in '72. I went straight out and got the "Slayed?" LP. His playing on the live version of "Get Down & Get With It" always brings a big grin to my face.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on January 16, 2008, 10:31:15 PM
 I had "Slayed" by the time I saw them on "In Concert"  '74, a buddy in high school put me onto them, I just couldn't play that record enough......Drove my parents nuts with it! every afternoon I'd get home from school and put that on my cheesy record player. My first bass was a Japanese EB copy, I wanted because it was like Jim Lea's Gibson, lets just say I *tried* to play like him  :-[. I still own that copy of "Slayed" , it damn near turned it white its been played so much. They're just so cool.........Scott I'll never get tired of seeing pics of that bass, positively incredible!
Title: Parents & Slade
Post by: uwe on January 17, 2008, 08:28:31 AM
Sensibly, Herr Geiger, your parents must have been worried that the, errrm, "dress sense" of Messrs Holder and Hill (Lea and the drummer always looked alright) might rub off in the wrong way on you.

And how prophetic your old folks were!   ;)

Uwe
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on January 17, 2008, 08:39:45 AM

 I remember my very sensible mom's comment upon seeing the album cover, "Oh they're so ugly! especially him!" (pointing at Dave Hill)  At that point in time I was constantly fighting a battle with her to just let me have long hair like my rock star idols, the "Slayed" album cover didn't help my cause much  :'(  Funny thing was they didn't find out about my girly side until about 10years ago......Too late by then!  ;D
 
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on January 18, 2008, 08:42:11 PM
 Mark,  Happy you like the pics of the bass! Hell it makes me happy to ! Way back when Jim had a red silk suit,more like polyester. I had my mom take me "downtown " to find such a suit, we did but there was no way she would spring for the cost !
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: rockinrayduke on January 19, 2008, 04:49:56 PM
I've wanted an EB-3 forever because of JL and Jack Bruce. Well, and Andy Fraser.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on March 16, 2010, 09:32:25 PM
It's been a long time since I was on this board, so I've been having a nosey around ........... hope you don't mind.

Scott I'll never get tired of seeing pics of that bass, positively incredible!

There is one other with the onboard overdrive; Jim's got two, Scott's got one, and ...........  :mrgreen:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/Plaything-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Freuds_Cat on March 16, 2010, 10:18:08 PM
Guilty as charged yer honor. Slade fan from way back. have managed to convert (buy new) my original 4 Slade LP's to CD and pick up a couple more in the meantime over the last couple of years. Never get sick of listening to Jims songwriting and bass playing.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on March 17, 2010, 05:17:43 AM
It's been a long time since I was on this board, so I've been having a nosey around ........... hope you don't mind.

There is one other with the onboard overdrive; Jim's got two, Scott's got one, and ...........  :mrgreen:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/Plaything-1.jpg)


Stu, Why don't you go ahead and show us a few pictures ? Stu is the one who directed me to John Diggens of Jaydee to get mine built. Stu is a wealth of Slade info !
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on March 17, 2010, 06:38:24 AM
Stu, Why don't you go ahead and show us a few pictures ? Stu is the one who directed me to John Diggens of Jaydee to get mine built. Stu is a wealth of Slade info !

 ;D One of the best times was while getting hold of Scott's Hiwatt 201 (which used to belong to Dave H Hill of Slade) I was able to have a long chat with H about how Slade used their amps, he also signed a personalised provenance for Scott's Hiwatt. I'll get to that if anyone is interested? In the meantime; my bass with Noddy old Hiwatt 201 & Jimmy Lea's psare Hiwatt cab for when they did bigger gigs ..... (They usually stand on a Marshall 2 x15 with Eminence Deltas, but that's not Slade related.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/MyBabies.jpg)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on March 17, 2010, 06:46:35 AM
Slade playing Reading Festival 1980, late stand-ins for Ozzy Osbourne.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/Hiwattheaven.jpg)
Jim is using his extra cab  :mrgreen:
Just count those Hiwatts man, I'm guessing it's more than The Who used to use? Many was the time I helped their crew load all this stuff into the smallest of venues, their sound guy "Charlie" would get quite upset if hew couldn't use all of the amps if space was tight.
Jim's also still using one of his old Accoustic 360's with the active cab thing over the bass bin. There's another cab underneath the stack of Hiwatts he has.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on March 17, 2010, 06:48:14 AM
I bought Lea's Therapy album a couple pf years back, but it has now been rereleased with a bonus disc of his solitary 2002 live gig where he sang and played lead guitar (sic!) in a three piece doing his own material, Slade chestnuts, Hendrix tunes, Sex Pistols, James Brown etc. Which sounds like a mixed bag and it is, but they manage to put their stamp on everything and Jim's voice is tuneful, his lead guitar playing edgy.

Scott, I know you have (or need!) Therapy, but do you have the recording of that gig as well?
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on March 17, 2010, 06:51:48 AM
Ah Jim Jam at the Robin ! Stu was there ! No I do not have that.  Yes I do need Therapy and yes I have it ;D
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on March 17, 2010, 07:49:12 AM
In that case I think I will ignore Jim's copyright for once (with over a dozen Slade CDs, he's made enough money off me) and send you a CDR of Jim Jam. Entertaining listening.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on March 17, 2010, 07:54:52 AM
Ah Jim Jam at the Robin ! Stu was there !

If you listen to his long spoken intro before his altered version of Merry Christmas, he threatens to "break the neck" of one of the crowd, that was me he was threatening, though I wasn't aware of it at the time.  :o
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on March 17, 2010, 07:56:49 AM
Was that when you were trying to nick the set list ? ;D
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on March 17, 2010, 08:14:13 AM

 :o


 Holy Crap! Look at that backline!
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on March 17, 2010, 08:57:58 AM
Was that when you were trying to nick the set list ? ;D

Yeah  :mrgreen: Well, that's what Jimmy said, but I was really helping his tech hold down a lyrics sheet on the stage at his feet while he tried to untangle his hands from Gaffer tape.
Though I did rob the sheet after the gig had finished. It was the same night that they had the auction for Nod's Hiwatts. Nomis got a cab for £70!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on March 17, 2010, 09:10:19 AM
:o


 Holy Crap! Look at that backline!

And they were serious about it too. My first experience of Slade live was a late seventies gig in a small hall - well after their first commercial prime and not yet in their second, but well-honed from all that incessant US touring they did in the late seventies in a vain attempt to crack the former colony - and they were so unbelievably loud that after the PA lit up when Noddy sang "hear me calling loud" (the TYA tune) a guy in front of the pa speakers had instant nose bleed. Happy days!

Uwe
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on March 17, 2010, 01:39:32 PM
:o


 Holy Crap! Look at that backline!
See where I get it from ?
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on March 17, 2010, 01:45:56 PM
And they were serious about it too. My first experience of Slade live was a late seventies gig in a small hall - well after their first commercial prime and not yet in their second.
Uwe

It was the same set that they played at Reading, they were such last minute replacements that they hadn't time to rehearse anything else, and they were widely seen by the media as the best act of that year. There were many Slade fans in the UK handing out a whole lot of "I told you so" that year!  ;D
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on March 17, 2010, 01:51:53 PM

Yup!

 Impeccable taste sir!
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on March 17, 2010, 03:06:31 PM
Scott, did I do you a bootleg CD of the Lochem gig, "Lochem Up Your Daughters"? It's very similar set but better quality than the Reading bootleg.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on March 18, 2010, 05:03:32 AM
:o


 Holy Crap! Look at that backline!
That picture is now my wall paper  ;D My madness is clear, A picture of my rig with the recently aquired Hiwatt 2050 2x15 cab, photo shopped by Kenny into my rig with a extra DR201. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/with2150.jpg)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on March 18, 2010, 07:51:38 AM


  :sad:

I'm suffering "rig envy"



Obviously size does matter  ;)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on March 22, 2010, 03:07:41 AM
Just found this old-ish pic from JayDee of Jim with his JD built for the 1983 tour but never used on stage. Though he did let me have a brief go on it after the Glasgow gig on that tour.
He asked "Bet you've never seen a bass with a wang-bar before?", to which I disappointed him by answering "Actually there was one in last week's Melody Maker".

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/JimLea_with_Black_bass.jpg)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Freuds_Cat on March 22, 2010, 05:06:13 AM
What the hell are those pups?
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on March 22, 2010, 06:04:19 AM
What the hell are those pups?

Wood shell pups, adjusted from the back.
http://www.jaydeeguitars.com/classic.php

Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: birdie on March 29, 2010, 03:27:04 PM
Jimmy Lea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Thanks Jules.  Bass look familiar ? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/100_2049.jpg)   If all goes well I''ll have a Hiwatt DR201 frome SLADE's backline at the end of the month Keeping my fingers crossed !

Is that yours???!
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on March 30, 2010, 10:37:36 AM
Just found this pic on an old hard drive which is Slade back in 1977 after getting equipped all round by John Birch. Jim has the original version of his bass which went back into Birch's a year later for a lighter refin & to get rid of the switched pot next to the overdrive. The Magnum pups were switched to Superflux's to get more high end out of it when soloing.

It came back looking identical to Scott's.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/Slade_1977_lo.jpg)

Dave "J1" had fart oo many knobs for sanity, one of them was an onboard treble booster, I think the other one was a sustain.
Nod has a 1961 SG Junior with a John Birch Magnum & JB bridge. It was stolen off him 3 years later after a gig.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on March 30, 2010, 10:59:45 AM


 Dave Hill really knew how to "class up" a photo   ;D
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on March 30, 2010, 11:11:20 AM
Not one of Dave's better looks.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Highlander on March 30, 2010, 11:15:22 AM
Didn't he play that Romulan guy in the new ST movie...?
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on March 31, 2010, 09:31:07 AM
Dave Hill had by far worse haircuts than this baldie look. Before and after. Generally, both his haircut- and dress-sense were unfortunate. As he once quipped to a sighing Jim Lea  :rolleyes: who felt that Dave's sartorial appearance might be to the detriment of Slade's credibility as musicians: "You writ'em (the songs) and I sell'em!".
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on March 31, 2010, 09:35:06 AM
Dave Hill had by far worse haircuts than this baldie look. Before and after. Generally, both his haircut- and dress-sense were unfortunate. As he once quipped to a sighing Jim Lea  :rolleyes: who felt that Dave's sartorial appearance might be to the detriment of Slade's credibility as musicians: "You writ'em (the songs) and I sell'em!".

In a much later i'view I have, according to Jim; that conversation was actually part of an argument in the Top Of The Pops studio. The sentence immediately before that one from Dave was "F**k off Jim".
Jim had been trying to show H the intro to their next single, but H was too involved in getting his pictures taken by the press, so when Jim told him to spend a bit of time on what they actually did for a living he got that reply.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on March 31, 2010, 10:30:51 AM
The truth is: It probably did hurt them. If they had just worn denims and knuckled down to it in working man's fashion a là Quo they might have had a few less Top of the Pops appearances and hence hit singles, but more appealed to the serious rock crowd and album buying public plus fetched some better opening slots on large scale tours in markets they did not yet rule with their singles output. And I think it would have benefitted their US career too, never a country to embrace glam except in that mutated larger-than-life version of Alice Cooper/Kiss. You could look unremarkable and still crack the US market as Foghat have amply proven.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 03, 2011, 07:41:10 AM
Way to ressurrect an old thread; this old footage of Slade on American Bandstand in '84 may interest some of you guys. It's just been "refound".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB5oXfc18Uk

When they did come back to tour later that year Jim was struck down with hepatitis, they had to pull the rest of the gigs & they never toured ever again.  :sad:
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on August 03, 2011, 07:54:50 AM
Stu, thanks for posting that! Jimmy with a rented Fender ugh! I remember waiting in great anticipation for that tour and was crushed when it was canceled. Old look who's talking Dick !
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: nofi on August 03, 2011, 02:13:03 PM
how do know it's rented. he might have owned many fenders, like you... :)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on August 04, 2011, 04:54:53 AM
how do know it's rented. he might have owned many fenders, like you... :)
He may have but Slade rented gear for lots of TV performances. Jim had two main basses during Slades time that I know of. First was his '65 EB3, originally cherry it was eventually painted white by John Birch and fitted with John Birch pickups and a onboard distortion circuit. The EB3 was Stolen from John Birches work shop and Birch supplied Jim with a new JB bass based on his stolen EB3. Here is a pic of Jimmy with his JB and my JD (built by John Diggens of Jaydee guitars, JD built Jim's original JB while employed at Birch in the 70's). I bet Stu can give use more detail into Jim's arsenal.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/000_0065.jpg)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 04, 2011, 05:42:42 AM
I bet Stu can give use more detail into Jim's arsenal.

Funny you should say that Scott.  ;D I had an i'view from the early 80's, couple of years prior to that AB film. He said he didn't like Fenders at all, one of his reasons being that the E & A are too fat in sound & the D & G were too thin, another being that the body shape was too big & too common (widespread - popular??)
He's said that he used a Gibson V bass in the studio, but live from the late 70's right thru to the last gig it was the JB/JD's like Scotts' that he used exclusively live. There are pics of a couple of gigs in the late 70's where he used a John Birch J2 bass, with the same sunburst colour-scheme, I'm guessing that was because his main bass was in for work.
THIS being a J2 bass
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOHN-BIRCH-GUITAR-/270791371883?pt=UK_Music_SheetMusic_RL&hash=item3f0c6c6c6b

(no relation to the seller whatsoever)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 08, 2011, 11:43:35 AM
"Gibson V bass" as in "five string Clark Kent look bass with TBird pups and sound" or as in Flying V?  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 08, 2011, 01:38:15 PM
Flying V, he was in his heavy-metal phase at the time.

Another film of Jim with a rented Fender......... I used to have a poster of this session on my wall when I was a kid ................ (last week  ;D )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygdU7wt3GIk
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 09, 2011, 02:15:42 AM
Probably his Ibanez Flying V then, certainly a preferable tool to the Gibson "V" Bass though still hardly a great bass by Ibanez standards, bit mushy.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: lowend1 on August 09, 2011, 04:00:13 AM
If the interview was from the early 80s, it probably was the Gibson - that thing seems to have fooled everybody into thinking it was a good idea, myself included. It didn't take long for the awful truth to become apparent though...
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 09, 2011, 09:26:14 AM
Beauty's only fin-deep ...

Yet I heard both from Scott and at Messe Frankfurt that they want to resurrect it sometime this year. Some radical re-engineering appreciated guys!!!
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on August 09, 2011, 10:22:15 AM
 Jim's V bass I do believe was a Ibanez Rocket Roll Sr. I think. The same series as my '76 Destroyer. The US version of the V bass came with a P J set up (as did my Destroyer) while Jim's had the more traditional mudbucker/minibucker set up. Maybe his was a earlier version or the version imported to Europe. This bass turned up in Jim's hands long before the second coming of Metal in the early 80's.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 09, 2011, 10:34:58 AM
Actually, those first mid-seventies Ibanez Flying Vs with the mockbucker and minibucker plus a behemoth of strange bridge were just that: Flying Vs. The Rocket Roll moniker came with the second series of Ibanez Flying V basses which might have been as late as early eighties, but not earlier than late seventies I believe, they are the ones with the p/j combination. I have falsely described my first run Ibanez Flying V as a Rocket Roll in the past too.

The first model (which is reputedly from as early as the 1973 Ibanez catalog):

(http://s93105080.onlinehome.us/Ibanez-Catalogs/catalog/1973-3/12.jpg)

The Rocket Roll one

(http://www.ibanezwiki.com/download/attachments/131596/Page02.jpg)

From available TV footage, Jim played the older version already around Slade in Flame, I remember a How Does it Feel performance with it and also a Thanks for the Memory one (the - friggin' brilliant! - single following Slade in Flame).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L1vI2QXTbc&feature=player_embedded#at=21

And before you all get carried away now: An Ibanez Flying V  sounds nothing :mrgreen: like it seems to sound in that official promo vid! He was probably using the JD on the recording judging from the raucous sound. Had Jim recorded it with the Ibanez, you would have hardly heard his entrance.

But it's a bass I fell in love with first time I saw it (not with Slade, but with a covers band in a nearby town circa 1977, but at something like 600 Deutschmarks it was unaffordable for a student back then). I've got one now though!  :)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on August 09, 2011, 10:46:47 AM
 Thanks Uwe! '73 makes much more sense for Jim's V bass!  I had the chance to buy the second series V 2387B-CT or the Destroyer both were side by side  At the House of Guitars the only two I ever saw come in, soon many were cut up on the docks of NYC for copyright infringement. I'd love to add one of those Vs to my collection. My much modded Destroyer (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/76Ibanezdestroyernewpg004.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/76Ibanezdestroyernewpg001.jpg)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on August 09, 2011, 11:04:46 AM
That's it Uwe!  I have seen that video before ! Note the very clean looking Hiwatt DR201s in the background  :o Mine is in there somewhere!
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 09, 2011, 12:22:55 PM
And before you all get carried away now: An Ibanez Flying V  sounds nothing :mrgreen: like it seems to sound in that official promo vid! He was probably using the JD on the recording judging from the raucous sound. Had Jim recorded it with the Ibanez, you would have hardly heard his entrance.

Jim didn't have his JD in 75 when TFTM was recorded. That was acquired when they returned permanenetly to the UK in '77 after teh white EB3 was stolen. As you say the Flying V was a possibility, but I couldn't say whether the one in the video was his or a hired one. In '75 Jim was using his converted and recently refinished (white) EB3 & also a John Birch J2 bass in white which had been used for some of the Flame promos, (H had a matching JB SG, see the "Far Far Away" vid from Flame). Though I suppose tone-wise they would have been similar; it had one of the JB pickups that his custom (like Scott's) had, a near identical overdrive effect replacing the Gibson fuzztone but kept the Gibson mini-humbucker and the shorter scale.
I have pics of Jim in the studio in '73 using the same red EB3 as he did live. Also seen being played by Nod in this '73 vid (note H using his JB Superyob too, very thin sound, it was double-tracked in the studio)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwunG0wNB-g
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on August 09, 2011, 07:16:14 PM
 Uwe you have one ? how about a picture please?
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 10, 2011, 04:23:07 AM
Have I one what? An Ibanez Flying V you mean? Sure.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DCP_0034.jpg)

From what I have seen, Jim's was cherry like mine (the most common color of these, all I have seen were cherry) and he actually owned it too though he hardly used it live (for an encore of "Get down, Get with it" once I believe), it was basically a prop for miming on TV. I don't blame him, the Ibanez would have had issues cutting through at a Slade concert (I've seen them twice, I know their barbaric volume!) even through Jim's Chinese Wall of Hiwatts! It has a very mellow sound, belying its "rawk!"-looks, you could play it well with an acoustic blues guitarist though.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: SKATE RAT on August 10, 2011, 04:47:20 AM
wow! thats cool. i want one
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 10, 2011, 06:00:46 AM
Flying V basses are an alluring thing but I have yet to find one that actually sounds good. And I have five from various makers! That shape is jinxed. But thanks for this thread for inspiring me to take my Dean DOA to the rehearsal today!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSC01257.jpg)

A beast of a bass with passive EMGs and active electronics, it still manages to not really sound full. But it needs to get out.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 10, 2011, 07:10:52 AM
I've seen him in a video using an early 80s "silverburst"(???); which is what prompted me to saying I don't know which colour is owned by him & which were borrowed for videos/trials. Though it wasn't until the early 80's i'view that he said he had one.
Could the lack of tone be due to lack of body mass? Are such basses a bit light in weight? It was certainly taken to be the reason for the SY's thin sound.
Jimmy on a V from the time of the i'view I had; no sound tho' for some reason - and not the V I was talking of seeing at the start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1g4f7pvCMo
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on August 10, 2011, 08:01:08 AM
Flying V basses are an alluring thing but I have yet to find one that actually sounds good. And I have five from various makers! That shape is jinxed. But thanks for this thread for inspiring me to take my Dean DOA to the rehearsal today!
 A beast of a bass with passive EMGs and active electronics, it still manages to not really sound full. But it needs to get out.


 Soooooo.........Assless chaps, or Spandex with that bass Herr Moderator?
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 10, 2011, 09:05:40 AM
Diesel jeans and too-many-Scottish-Breakfasts-gut more like!  :toast:

"Could the lack of tone be due to lack of body mass? Are such basses a bit light in weight?"

All of the above. Flying Vs look mammoth, but are light, just like their guitar cousins (the basses don't have larger bodies btw, irrespective of maker). And, of course, the wood "comes in late", the main mass being in the extended wings, far away from where the neck meets the body. That is the (high) price you pay for that marvellous high register access (in the Dean's case: double octave, you can see in the above pic quite well how "forlornly" that long and rather thin neck sticks out of the body).

What makes Flying Vs preferred heavy metal equipment for guitarists is actually what makes them bad basses: That they sound inherently thin. That is great if you use ultra-distortion, hi-gain pups etc, lots of effects - a Flying V will then still deliver a non-mushy signal where a Les Paul would long be just a barrage of noise. And not look like a Telecaster (the guitar I find that it sounds most akin to). Likewise, if you are Rudolf Schenker and solely a rhythm guitarist and do not want to muddle up the overall sound with your playing. But who wants a thin sounding bass? There is a reason that among the legions of bass players, even the more flamboyant ones, there is no  one who ever made these "their" instrument. JAE, Testsu, Casady, Lea (I can't think of anybody else), they all just played them for a comparatively short time before discarding them again.

My best sounding one is my Dean Razorback (not the above one which has a much thinner neck and is set neck and not neck-thru). And that achieves a full, if not wholly remarkable sound via the following "tricks":

- aggressive active electronics,
- neck-thru construction,
- 35" scale and a phat and rather wide neck lending mass where the body fails to.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on August 10, 2011, 11:24:34 AM


 I hesitate to ask.......Scottish breakfast is?





Lard, fried to a crisp?.......
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 10, 2011, 11:59:53 AM
Full Scottish breakfast;
Fried egg(s)
Sausages
Square (Lorne) sausage
Bacon
Black pudding
Haggis
Baked beans
Mushrooms (optional - too healthy)
Fried bread
Tattie (potato) scones
Dumpling, (Clootie dumpling to be precise) like a slice of Xmas cake, fried - it is actually one of the best parts of the whole meal.

.......................... and a diet coke.

(not the last one - that was a lie)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on August 10, 2011, 12:21:17 PM


 I'd be friendless (due gas emissions) and fat (but happy) after such a meal  ;)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: SKATE RAT on August 10, 2011, 06:54:07 PM
Uwe, My Vantage Flying V sounds great. short scale bolt on. i put a DiMarzio split P in it.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Dave W on August 10, 2011, 07:57:16 PM

My best sounding one is my Dean Razorback (not the above one which has a much thinner neck and is set neck and not neck-thru). And that achieves a full, if not wholly remarkable sound via the following "tricks":

- aggressive active electronics,
- neck-thru construction,
- 35" scale and a phat and rather wide neck lending mass where the body fails to.

Is that the green one?
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 11, 2011, 04:14:18 AM
Yes, an inconspicuous little fellow avoiding any garish presentation of itself, rather abiding with the introvert concept of subtance over form. My "take me serious as a musician and I will do my best to fit in your band, let my bass playing speak for me" audition-instrument, no less. It does concern me though, how my bandmates laugh at me whenever I take it out and our female singer describes it as "that porn bass".

(http://www.musik-service.de/images/prx/395769068/i00.jpg)

Looking at the pic, it also dawns to me that the front pup snuggles up to the neck, another reason for its fuller sound.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 11, 2011, 04:15:19 AM
Uwe, My Vantage Flying V sounds great. short scale bolt on. i put a DiMarzio split P in it.

Happy you then! Don't ever sell it.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Dave W on August 11, 2011, 07:19:11 AM

Looking at the pic, it also dawns to me that the front pup snuggles up to the neck, another reason for its fuller sound.

That could very well be. It's hard to overcome the limitations of the body shape but a combination of better pickup location, the neck mass and ditching the short scale could do it.

And don't forget the double pointy things on each body wing. They must do something for the sound.  ;)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: jumbodbassman on August 11, 2011, 07:19:50 AM
The truth is: It probably did hurt them. If they had just worn denims and knuckled down to it in working man's fashion a là Quo they might have had a few less Top of the Pops appearances and hence hit singles, but more appealed to the serious rock crowd and album buying public plus fetched some better opening slots on large scale tours in markets they did not yet rule with their singles output. And I think it would have benefitted their US career too, never a country to embrace glam except in that mutated larger-than-life version of Alice Cooper/Kiss. You could look unremarkable and still crack the US market as Foghat have amply proven.

Turned me off immediately.  I remember seeing them on TV (midnight special?)  and just dismissing them.  Partially my fault ,  partially theirs.  By that time i was fully entrenched into prog music and had nothing but distaste for glam.  I do remember seeing SAHB do Delilah and liking it bit that is about it for glam other than Queen which is about as Glam as i get...
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 11, 2011, 08:45:20 AM
That could very well be. It's hard to overcome the limitations of the body shape but a combination of better pickup location, the neck mass and ditching the short scale could do it.

And don't forget the double pointy things on each body wing. They must do something for the sound.  ;)

The maho-neck-thru (as opposed to the basswood wings) probably contributes to a bit more flesh in sound too, it certainly isn't the usaul combo for body and neck.

"Double pointy things", yes. They do serve a purpose.  Which one you ask? Silly you: If you put the bass into a regular stand with a supporting fork, the bass will "snap in" and can then only be removed with great difficulty unlesss you want the stand to cling to it! This always causes laughs in the rehearsal room. My bad really, as I forgot to order an optional Dean girl with it as those are very good at holding it while you withdraw, limitations of the body etc.

(http://gearhounds.iwarp.com/images/Dean_Girls_Splittail_Lg.jpg)

Holding the stand and withdrawing the bass that is.

Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: jumbodbassman on August 11, 2011, 08:59:56 AM
I don't see any guitars  ;)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 11, 2011, 09:13:57 AM
Most likely to do with the limitations of your body I think.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Dave W on August 11, 2011, 08:56:55 PM
Ooh, I like the one on the right.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 12, 2011, 02:53:39 AM
Yeah, nice sunburst fin. Didn't know you cared for such shapely items though.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 12, 2011, 05:37:51 AM
Ooh, I like the one on the right.
Yeah, nice sunburst fin. Didn't know you cared for such shapely items though.



.....erm actually I think Dave meant......................















.............. the white one on the wall behind.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Dave W on August 12, 2011, 07:12:36 AM
(channeling Ralph Kramden)

She definitely rates three haminas on my hamina-hamina-hamina scale.

And she sure knows how to hold a Flying V.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 12, 2011, 07:13:19 AM
I wasn't in doubt until now.  :-X

But given Herr Westheimer's hard-on soft spot for all-American girls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLkCWT2neuI

with that natural sunbathed touch and who wouldn't look out of place in a fifties petticoat, I'm not surprised about his choice. Let's face it, Gwyneth was always a bit pale and underfleshed for him, I'm happy to see how he sets his sights on more wholesome objects.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Freuds_Cat on August 12, 2011, 07:35:33 PM
Way to ressurrect an old thread; this old footage of Slade on American Bandstand in '84 may interest some of you guys. It's just been "refound".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB5oXfc18Uk

When they did come back to tour later that year Jim was struck down with hepatitis, they had to pull the rest of the gigs & they never toured ever again.  :sad:

Great clip, I haven't seen this before (mimed or not). Not sure about the second part... bit scary really  8)    is it just me or does it shift to the deck of the starship enterprise at 11.27?
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Dave W on August 12, 2011, 10:00:31 PM
I wasn't in doubt until now.  :-X

But given Herr Westheimer's hard-on soft spot for all-American girls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLkCWT2neuI

with that natural sunbathed touch and who wouldn't look out of place in a fifties petticoat, I'm not surprised about his choice. Let's face it, Gwyneth was always a bit pale and underfleshed for him, I'm happy to see how he sets his sights on more wholesome objects.

I'm more partial to brunettes but she does have that all-American girl-next-door look.

And speaking of Mary Lou, Ricky Nelson may be long gone but James Burton is still going strong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nysLBNOL7Sw

Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 15, 2011, 01:52:33 AM
That's a cute, unaffected version of the song.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Highlander on August 16, 2011, 12:18:17 PM
Full Scottish breakfast;
Fried egg(s)
Sausages
Square (Lorne) sausage
Bacon
Black pudding
Haggis
Baked beans
Mushrooms (optional - too healthy)
Fried bread
Tattie (potato) scones
Dumpling, (Clootie dumpling to be precise) like a slice of Xmas cake, fried - it is actually one of the best parts of the whole meal.

.......................... and a diet coke.

(not the last one - that was a lie)


No deep-fried Mars-bars...?

My vegetarianism is a constant source of mirth to my Hebridean family, though I did have a Stornoway black pudding (Yea though I walk through the valley... Charles MacLeod - the real-deal no less ;D) posted down to my buddy...
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 16, 2011, 02:58:17 PM
No deep-fried Mars-bars...?

That wiz a Glesgae thing mostly; though my son who's still in Embra' swears that the deep-fried Snickers in far superior  :o
Of course that's still with salt n sauce!!!.......... and chips (fries to you philistines!  :mrgreen: )
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: john township on August 22, 2011, 08:29:09 AM

Some may get a kick outta this:


Reeves & Mortimer / Slade on Holiday:

http://youtu.be/l3nhHV4GiLg (http://youtu.be/l3nhHV4GiLg)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on August 22, 2011, 08:53:03 AM


 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nice!  Welcome here John :)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 22, 2011, 08:56:06 AM
"Especially you, Don, 'cause you don't get lost, do you?"

Very English - Don was the drummer who lost his memory in a car accident and only regained it in part. Nothing is sacred to these Brits ...
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: godofthunder on August 22, 2011, 08:58:49 AM
 Thanks for posting that ! Being a US Slade fan I never got to see those !
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Freuds_Cat on August 22, 2011, 08:11:23 PM
  (Deep Fried Mars bar) That wiz a Glesgae thing mostly; though my son who's still in Embra' swears that the deep-fried Snickers in far superior  :o
Of course that's still with salt n sauce!!!.......... and chips (fries to you philistines!  :mrgreen: )

I still remember Paul Hogan on his show back in about 1977 or 8 doing the whole "watch me deep fry a Mars bar" thing. Wish it was on youtube, some very funny and totally politicaly incorrect comedy.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 23, 2011, 01:41:58 AM
"Especially you, Don, 'cause you don't get lost, do you?"

Very English - Don was the drummer who lost his memory in a car accident and only regained it in part. Nothing is sacred to these Brits ...
He started writing diaries from that day on; initially so that he would know where he was when he woke up, who he had to see that day, if they were gigging then where, what time, who was taking him there & when. He kept the habit up & they're now being made into his biography.
Don is always a real gent & a firm favourite among the fans. My son is a drummer & I took him to meet them, made my day to see my son talking shop with one of my childhood heroes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/DonDaniel.jpg)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 23, 2011, 01:44:17 AM
At the time time I also had an in-depth chat with H, who was more than happy to see pics of one of his old Hiwatt's & sign a provenance for Scott.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/HDaniel.jpg)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 23, 2011, 04:00:39 AM
Cute.  (Or should that be "quoote" with Slade?)

I wish they would do a one-off reunion, Mott the Hoople style, I'd even come to London for that. Lea and Holder live off royalties, the other two have to tour until they drop dead, a common fate among rock bands where the writing credits are not split equal. If I may advocate a little socialism here, there is a lot in stabilizing a band in the long term in doing just that. Jon Lord once said that the dry-rot with Purple set in when they decided to no longer aportion the credits to every band member, whether he had participated in writing or not.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on August 23, 2011, 08:05:24 AM


 Dave in his stocking feet,  he's how tall?
Looks like he'd come up to my navel  ;D
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 23, 2011, 08:08:01 AM
And he could always take a rest while on his way up there and devote himself to other things though those incisors he has bode kind of ill ...
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on August 23, 2011, 08:25:28 AM


 Tooth dragger  ;) 
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 23, 2011, 08:44:21 AM
Nibble, nibble.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 23, 2011, 09:13:39 AM
I wish they would do a one-off reunion, Mott the Hoople style, I'd even come to London for that. Lea and Holder live off royalties, the other two have to tour until they drop dead, a common fate among rock bands where the writing credits are not split equal.
A current & oft repeated hot topic among Slade fans. H had a stroke last year, Don has been ill in recent years too, it can't be fun anymore.
The reunion will never happen, there's little interest among the original four of them, & IMHO and that of others the real reason Nod quit was because his voice was shot, though it's hardly surprising.

Dave in his stocking feet,  he's how tall?
Looks like he'd come up to my navel  ;D
Five foot two, which explains his 1970's six inch platform boots.......... which he fell off in 1972 & broke his ankle!  ;D
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 23, 2011, 09:24:33 AM
I'd forgive them some downtuning. He couldn't sound any worse or more shot than David Coverdale sounds today.

But of course that style of singing - be it Tom Keifer, Dan McCafferty, Axel Rose, Vince Neil or Noddy Holder - takes its toll on your vocal chords if you tour heavily. Brian Johnson is pretty much the only pure "screecher" I can think of who manages to sustain a type of singing credibly that to all intents and purposes mistreats your voice.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Big_Stu on August 23, 2011, 12:47:13 PM
Hmmm, I've been front & centre at a few Nazareth gigs in recent years & how the heck he still does that years later & still sound (to my ears) the same as when I saw them in '76 is beyond me. The band? maybe not, but Dan is the maaaan.
http://www.youtube.com/user/NazarethTV?blend=7&ob=5#p/u/3/pP5CyD2I31o
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Freuds_Cat on August 23, 2011, 04:58:11 PM
I'd forgive them some downtuning. He couldn't sound any worse or more shot than David Coverdale sounds today.

But of course that style of singing - be it Tom Keifer, Dan McCafferty, Axel Rose, Vince Neil or Noddy Holder - takes its toll on your vocal chords if you tour heavily. Brian Johnson is pretty much the only pure "screecher" I can think of who manages to sustain a type of singing credibly that to all intents and purposes mistreats your voice.

Jimmy Barnes is another to add to the list of aging screechers who can still do it.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 23, 2011, 05:26:27 PM
I saw McCafferty solo ("Classic meets Rock") early this year. He played the Naz chestnuts with orchestral backing, so his voice was vulnerably naked. He was straining (though nothing near as bad as Coverdale), but it might have been an off-night for him. I like the guy and the band though Manny Charlton's terse playing and penchant for little lead melodies is sorely missed. McCafferty sings on the new Roger Glover album too, but I haven't heard it yet. To this day I love his version of the Zim's Boots of Spanish Leather on his midseventies solo debut (featuring Roger Glover on bass).
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: TBird1958 on August 23, 2011, 05:50:45 PM


 I still remember seeing Nazareth, I deliberatly sat on Pete Agnew's side of the stage - IIRC he used 3 Marshall stacks and an EB. Gibson bass heaven.

A buddy sent me this shot of the Paramount in Seattle the day we went, a local band, Child opened for them, their bassist used a T Bird.......

Not my Pinto out front!
 (http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/nazareth.jpg)
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Freuds_Cat on August 23, 2011, 09:46:37 PM
I saw Nazareth at the Town and Country in North London back in the early 90's. A chance that this Aussie never thought he'd get. Great show. I had Hair of the dog on remastered CD and last week I picked up Razamanaz. Unfortunately I've been waiting nearly 4 weeks for Fool Circle to arrive from the UK. I think this might be a fail. I have all of these on LP plus Malice In Wonderland and Loud 'N' Proud but have been wanting to replace them to CD for ages.
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 24, 2011, 02:47:24 AM
Found it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lzovi9O6ps
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: Barklessdog on August 24, 2011, 05:07:34 AM
Brilliant album cover
Title: Re: Slade Time
Post by: uwe on August 24, 2011, 05:12:34 AM
Indeed, it might account for the relatively unspectacular sales of this album at the time ... As regards visuals, Nazareth's nous was often a little shaky.