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Title: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Basvarken on January 11, 2016, 12:54:16 AM
A great artist joined the great gig in the sky...

Rest In Peace David Bowie
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: amptech on January 11, 2016, 01:58:01 AM
Not him too?? That is really sad. What a great musician.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: gweimer on January 11, 2016, 03:55:52 AM
We will be doing these more frequently, I fear, and we'll never be accustomed to it.  I remember my dad, in his last year, saying that a month (or week) didn't go by when a friend of his passed away. 

RIP to a true music icon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MDhtBEmCs
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: godofthunder on January 11, 2016, 06:13:59 AM
   Crap. R.I.P David.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Pilgrim on January 11, 2016, 07:44:41 AM
I'm listening to a story on NPR - I didn't even realize some of those memorable songs were his. He was unique!  R.I.P., David.

EDIT: I just got to work and added a David Bowie channel in my Pandora playlist.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: uwe on January 11, 2016, 08:18:42 AM
I listened - by coincidence, I only heard about his passing this morning - to his new album Blackstar as well as the one before (The Next Day) over the weekend. Blackstar is the kind of album you listen to 15 seconds of and it dawns on you that you are some lowly bass strings mangler while Bowie was an artist. Huge Loss. And a great performance to go out on, Blackstar is among his strongest works. He must have spent the last years playing a lot of saxophone, while I always liked his sax playing, I've never heard him as fluid and "note-ambitious" as on Blackstar.

I first heard Bowie in 1975, a Cassette with the Diamond Dogs album on it. I was immediately transfixed by the dystopian aura of the music, his voice and the lyrics, that haunting Future Legend intro ...

And in the death
As the last few corpses lay rotting on the slimy thoroughfare
The shutters lifted in inches in Temperance Building
High on Poacher's Hill
And red, mutant eyes gaze down on Hunger City
No more big wheels
 
Fleas the size of rats sucked on rats the size of cats
And ten thousand peoploids split into small tribes
Coverting the highest of the sterile skyscrapers
Like packs of dogs assaulting the glass fronts of Love-Me Avenue
Ripping and rewrapping mink and shiny silver fox, now legwarmers
Family badge of sapphire and cracked emerald
Any day now
The Year of the Diamond Dogs
 
"This ain't Rock'n'Roll
 This is Genocide"


I only saw the cover of the album some time later and was again fascinated by his appearance, Bowie as that half-dog creature was both unsettling and immaculate, androgynous and rebellious, stylish and outrageous ...

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/910f104defea9aee6aa561766ebe5c12/tumblr_nokhgyDe1G1snb6qwo1_500.jpg)

The next album I bought was the vastly different Station to Station. Where Diamond Dogs had seen him on the way from having been Ziggy Stardust to becoming The Thin White Duke, Station to Station saw The Thin White Duke in full (space) flight.

(http://1513f43de1df8b08e16c-d8d6213b156ba3a73e333057f5885fa8.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/1280-3rehszxt2fbm3jmk7ry2st4mkc5zp8a99s4sa26x.jpg)

The music was nothing like Diamond Dogs had been and it took some time to get used to it, but I noticed immediately - as a kid back then listening to mostly Status Quo and Deep Purple - that Station to Station was something very special as well. To this day, they are my favorite albums of his though the much derided Let's Dance hit album was a masterpiece too, defining the whole era of the early 80ies.

I have all Bowie albums in my collection, even the not so great ones have sufficient moments of magic. And I always adored his work with Tin Machine (the only time I saw him live, in a half-empty hall, as no one back then seemed to know what to make of his work with Tin Machine).
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: nofi on January 11, 2016, 08:29:57 AM
this is so sad. i have been a fan since hunky dory and saw the diamond dogs tour. this sounds dumb but bowie struck me as one of those people who was 'gifted' in so many ways he  seemed protected from things that affect mere mortals. i know one friend of mine who will have a very, very bad day today. :sad:
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Pilgrim on January 11, 2016, 09:08:21 AM
This is another case in which someone pushed to finish a major project before revealing their mortality. His album release on Friday is evidence of that to me.

Sounds like he kept his health a pretty well guarded secret until the last days.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: gearHed289 on January 11, 2016, 09:11:38 AM
RIP to the man I often call my number one favorite rock artist. He caught my attention about 1975 when I was 11 years old. Probably due to Fame being a huge single at the time, and also by the influence of my older sisters. His music, writing, voice, looks.... It was as if he came from another planet. I thank and applaud him for being who he was.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: TBird1958 on January 11, 2016, 09:53:56 AM


 RIP my Ziggy Stardust, your light lit my path from early on.
Thank you for all the wonderful music.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Rob on January 11, 2016, 10:43:27 AM
RIP
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Hörnisse on January 11, 2016, 10:49:14 AM
 :sad:

Hopefully jamming with Mick and Trevor.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: uwe on January 11, 2016, 11:02:40 AM
This is another case in which someone pushed to finish a major project before revealing their mortality. His album release on Friday is evidence of that to me.

Sounds like he kept his health a pretty well guarded secret until the last days.

I wondered about the quick release of Blackstar too, the last one was scarcely two years old, why the rush in such a late part of his career? Now we know. He hadn't been looking well on the few pictures you saw of him lately. That said, Blackstar is nothing like a rush job at all. Bowie was a great fan of Scott Walker's late work (which defies all laws of pop music and is a task to digest, don't listen to it if you feel depressed), Blackstar is probably his most "Walkerish" work though still far more accessible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzO2RiCOac
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Basvarken on January 11, 2016, 11:31:23 AM
When you hear see this you cannot believe you didn't recognize all the references to his death:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-JqH1M4Ya8
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: slinkp on January 11, 2016, 11:36:20 AM
Terrible news.  For such an adventurous artist, he had unusually wide appeal.  My Facebook feed is basically nothing but Bowie right now.

I have to get the new album ... really impressed by Lazarus.   Amazing way for an artist to depart.

My favorite old Bowie song is this one... I still like slap bass when it suits the song, and this is one of the weirdest songs where it fits well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMThz7eQ6K0
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: uwe on January 11, 2016, 12:10:27 PM
That's the best obituary so far: German newsmag DER SPIEGEL (sort of like TIME magazine) wrote: "Of course he didn't really die, he just returned to his home planet."

(https://annikastelter.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/bowie.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Dave W on January 11, 2016, 01:42:04 PM
A big loss. RIP.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Pekka on January 11, 2016, 01:47:15 PM
DER SPIEGEL might have a point. Still, a huge loss.

My favs are the late '70s period from "Station To Station" to "Scary Monsters". I've been planning to get his recent stuff and now it feels kinda stupid to rush and buy them so I'll wait a bit and let him leave peacefully. Thanks David.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Highlander on January 11, 2016, 02:53:36 PM
rip Ziggy... :sad:
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Basshappi on January 11, 2016, 04:30:57 PM
Ziggy played guitar.

Rest In Peace.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: BTL on January 11, 2016, 04:48:24 PM
I've always admired his work.

We've lost another great one.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: gweimer on January 11, 2016, 06:26:34 PM
This is the one that stayed with me a lot, and I think it finally surfaced on a record somewhere, but it was years after this show was broadcast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ymyWS82NsY
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Hörnisse on January 11, 2016, 06:29:48 PM
https://youtu.be/NkefglL9c4c
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Nocturnal on January 11, 2016, 08:19:41 PM
this is so sad. i have been a fan since hunky dory and saw the diamond dogs tour. this sounds dumb but bowie struck me as one of those people who was 'gifted' in so many ways he  seemed protected from things that affect mere mortals. i know one friend of mine who will have a very, very bad day today. :sad:

It doesn't sound dumb to me. i viewed him in a similar light. My first exposure to Bowie was thru the Ziggy era music. That is still my favorite work of his but I love so much of what he produced I can't really nail down a favorite song. He was a true visionary in my mind and I will truly miss him.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: uwe on January 12, 2016, 05:18:37 AM
This is the one that stayed with me a lot, and I think it finally surfaced on a record somewhere, but it was years after this show was broadcast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ymyWS82NsY

That is fledgling Diamond Dogs work, the transition period where Ronson was still around, yet Bowie already writing in a post-Ziggy vein. Bolder and Woodmansey of the Spiders were already gone, Ronson would soon follow as Bowie was again shedding his skin (and his musicians along with it) as he would habitually do. Diamond Dogs was recorded with only Bowie on guitar and while no Mick Ronson, Bowie's more basic, even archaic and generally somewhat "weird" guitar playing shaped the album's atmosphere. A dysfunctional guitar for a dysfunctional vision of the future.

Speaking of guitarists, Bowie probably worked with more brilliant ones than anybody else of his stature. At the top of my head: Mick Ronson, Earl Slick, Carlos Alomar, Adrian Belew, Robert Fripp, Nile Rodgers, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Peter Frampton, Reeves Gabrels. That is one impressive list.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Basvarken on January 12, 2016, 08:37:49 AM
Tim Lefebvre, bass player of his swan song album BlackStar had some very nice things to say about him:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/blackstar-bassist-on-bowie-the-greatest-musician-ive-ever-heard-20160111
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Pilgrim on January 12, 2016, 09:29:48 AM
I have great respect for him, but fans floor me. Last night I saw a report from London with girls crying and saying "the light has gone out of the world."  Some folks need to get a grip on reality.

But I've sure had a good time listening to his music over the past few days. He was in a class by himself, and we're the poorer for his loss.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: uwe on January 12, 2016, 09:51:08 AM
Bowie was a great artist, to many people who knew him he was not the nicest person on earth. Always in search of inspiration, he had the habit of finding people, befriending them, sucking them out and then discarding them. But great art and a less than Nobel Prize-winning character is hardly a rare combination, more de rigueur if you look at people like Picasso or Miles Davis.

I am convinced my office stereo has psychic powers: Among the 10.000 or so tracks it has, all of the sudden (on random) Bowie's Word on a Wing (or WORDONAWING if you use the STATIONTOSTATION spelling!) comes on, now I feel bad.  :-X
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: nofi on January 12, 2016, 10:10:13 AM
andy warhol did much the same as bowie seeking inspiration, surrounding himself with people and mining them for ideas. except warhol groupies had a habit of suicide or drug deaths. they were easy to replace, though.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: uwe on January 12, 2016, 10:52:30 AM
Tim Lefebvre, bass player of his swan song album BlackStar had some very nice things to say about him:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/blackstar-bassist-on-bowie-the-greatest-musician-ive-ever-heard-20160111

I didn't know he was the guy from the Tedeschi-Trucks Band. His bass playing on Blackstar is exquisitely melodic, something I am always a sucker for. Bowie always had an ear for good bassists: Tony Visconti, Trevor Bolder, Herbie Flowers, George Murray, Carmine Rojas, Tony Sales, Gail Ann Dorsey.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: nofi on January 12, 2016, 11:17:07 AM
willie weeks as well.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Pekka on January 12, 2016, 12:12:30 PM
willie weeks as well.

And Doug Rauch. He and Greg Errico were a great rhythm section for September 1974 concerts, including the one filmed for "Cracked Actor" document.

(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff462/diamonddogs_gallery/LOS%20ANGELES%20SEPTEMBER%201974%20-%20MARTY%20TEMME/3UNKNOWN.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Dave W on January 12, 2016, 12:58:41 PM
Tim Lefebvre, bass player of his swan song album BlackStar had some very nice things to say about him:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/blackstar-bassist-on-bowie-the-greatest-musician-ive-ever-heard-20160111

That was a nice tribute.

I have great respect for him, but fans floor me. Last night I saw a report from London with girls crying and saying "the light has gone out of the world."  Some folks need to get a grip on reality.

But I've sure had a good time listening to his music over the past few days. He was in a class by himself, and we're the poorer for his loss.

I heard similar when Kurt Cobain killed himself. Overdoing it a bit, yes. But I still remember how I felt when Buddy Holly died. When someone's music has a huge influence in your life, you feel it personally.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: lowend1 on January 12, 2016, 01:30:41 PM
I have great respect for him, but fans floor me. Last night I saw a report from London with girls crying and saying "the light has gone out of the world."  Some folks need to get a grip on reality.

+1
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: gweimer on January 12, 2016, 02:06:41 PM
Bowie was a great artist, to many people who knew him he was not the nicest person on earth. Always in search of inspiration, he had the habit of finding people, befriending them, sucking them out and then discarding them. But great art and a less than Nobel Prize-winning character is hardly a rare combination, more de rigueur if you look at people like Picasso or Miles Davis.

I am convinced my office stereo has psychic powers: Among the 10.000 or so tracks it has, all of the sudden (on random) Bowie's Word on a Wing (or WORDONAWING if you use the STATIONTOSTATION spelling!) comes on, now I feel bad.  :-X

I recall an old interview with Mick Ronson, where he describes Bowie as wandering, trying to find a direction.  I'm convinced that once Ronson was onboard, Bowie realized the importance of the singer/guitarist dynamic, and never worked with anyone that wasn't stellar again.

The other story I recall was the Carlos Alomar connection.  Alomar was doing the sessions for Young Americans (?) and Bowie was pretty strung out.   If I have this right, Carlos took him home and made him a real home-cooked meal, and became Bowie's guitarist over the next decade as a result.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: wellREDman on January 12, 2016, 02:14:20 PM
He was a massive, massive  influence on the teenage me, for about 6 months when I was 17 I listened to him almost exclusively. I am deeply saddened by his passing but also confused by those who are "moved to tears" by someone they have never met.

 It is so like him , when having been given a limited life  expectancy,  to have spent it crafting his musical  farewell to the world , I am glad he managed to see it all through
 
Farewell  Ziggy , Aladdin , The Thin White Duke and all the others
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Alanko on January 12, 2016, 02:34:12 PM
I have great respect for him, but fans floor me. Last night I saw a report from London with girls crying and saying "the light has gone out of the world."  Some folks need to get a grip on reality.

I tentatively agree. I think such a public outpouring has only been a think since the death of Diana. It almost seems more important to be seen to be mourning Bowie than to actually be mourning him. The news footage I saw showed a fair number of people hanging around looking like they didn't quite know what to be doing or why they were there. I imagine Facebook feeds in trendy parts of London were aglow with invites to (free!) public mourning events.

I find this all odd, simply, because Bowie was the master of obfuscation, theatrics and somehow drawing attention simultaneously towards and away from himself. He made some crazily good music, but it was usually whilst channeling somebody or something else; be it gonzo rock, industrial music, plastic soul or obscure Japanese theatre. Whilst I love his music, and I greatly admire his ability to perpetually reinvent himself, I'm not sure I ever detect a lot of core personality in his music. I've listened to a lot of his music but I'm really not sure I know the guy, from his music, very well at all. I think for me to have felt any closer to him I would have had to have done a lot of work to cover that ground. Case in point; his hierarchical pay grading of the Spiders from Mars band totally demonstrates that he wasn't Davey Jones, one of the lads in the band, but David Bowie, the theatrical creation who let his pit orchestra come up onstage.

Being something of a Pink Floyd fan, I see a similar level of fandom around Syd Barrett. The guy recorded 1 and 1/2 Pink Floyd albums, a couple of solo efforts and was a virtual recluse from the early '70s on. Yet there are those (especially women) fans that insist they had a special bond with the guy, got him on a deeper level than most and see some sort of hidden message/depth/quality in the music that the rest of us simpletons simply miss.   :rolleyes:

I fear I'm sounding overly negative here, so I will add that Live Santa Monica '72 is one of my personal favorite live albums. In fact I probably favour it over Live at Leeds. Sorry guys!

RIP David Bowie. But also, RIP Mick Ronson and Trevor Bolder.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: uwe on January 13, 2016, 04:44:56 AM
Live at Leeds is overrated and sounds quaintly old-fashioned even for its time! The Who really didn't arrive in the Seventies until Who's Next (but when they did, they did it with aplomb).

We know everything about Bowie's various images, we know very little about the man, I don't think I ever read an interview of his where he let down his guard. He really didn't mingle with other people, certainly not with the musicians of his various bands. His treatment of the Spiders of Mars was pretty much abysmal - his then-manager Tony Defries played a large part in that as a Mephisto-type figure though.

(https://orwelliania.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/defries.jpg)

He only reconcilliated with Ronson when Ronson was dying (there were some final recordings), he never did with Trevor Bolder (who in turn did not forgive Bowie that he refused to play at Ronson's commemoration concert in Ronson's hometown Hull because he allegedly did "not believe in memorial concerts" while he played at Freddy Mercury's memorial concert "because it was a larger stage", as Bolder mused). He has never recontacted Carlos Alomar who played with him for ages, etc.


"I'm not sure I ever detect a lot of core personality in his music."

I think it was his songwriting (often weird chord progressions) and his vocal style, those unorthodox, often theatrical, but somehow never kitschy vocal melodies that shine trough on all his work (he'd go down where other vocalists would go up and vice versa), be it as a folkie (thank you Bob Dylan and Lou Reed), as the glam god (thank you Marc Bolan), the blue-eyed soulster (thank you Black Music), the Berliner (thank you Krautrock), the dancefloor hero (thank you Chic), the garage rocker (thank you Iggy Pop, also for your rhythm section), the triphopper (thank you The Prodigy) or as the master of ceremony of his own requiem (thank you Scott Walker). When Bowie sang, you knew it was him.

Of course, that "core personality" you heard in his music was only another projection of his.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: drbassman on January 13, 2016, 07:08:40 AM
Wow, the wife and I are bummed.  We really liked his quirkiness and inventive flair.  Gonna miss him for sure.  RIP up there Major Tom.
Title: speaking of scott walker
Post by: nofi on January 13, 2016, 11:00:23 AM
this is the song most of us remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q11ium_-Lv8

if i was asked to describe his current music music to someone who had never heard it i could not do it. i would have to say listen to the drift and make up your own mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbpBxXEPQow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXilIFvAVgI

the scott walker documentary 30th century man i highly recommend if you have any interest at all in the artist.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: uwe on January 13, 2016, 11:29:57 AM
As I said: It's (very) demanding listening. Bowie however loved it and would write gushing messages to Walker whenever he  released something new. I remember an interview of Walker where he discussed appreciation of his work by other musicians and how Bowie's regular messages meant the world to him.

About once a year (preferably when the weather is bad) I listen to a Scott Walker album in full, it's a task. I feel like a (much) better person afterwards.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Alanko on January 13, 2016, 12:01:44 PM
Tilt and The Drift were two of my room clearing albums when I was in college. A friend described it as sounding like a brick in a washing machine. This was when I thought it was a big edgy to blast people with experimental music once they were sufficiently drunk/high/tripping to not be able to do anything much about it.
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: Dave W on January 13, 2016, 12:15:30 PM
I tentatively agree. I think such a public outpouring has only been a think since the death of Diana. It almost seems more important to be seen to be mourning Bowie than to actually be mourning him. The news footage I saw showed a fair number of people hanging around looking like they didn't quite know what to be doing or why they were there. I imagine Facebook feeds in trendy parts of London were aglow with invites to (free!) public mourning events.

.....


It's the way mourning is done these days, thanks to the 24-hour news cycle and social media. For many people, private grief or sadness isn't enough any more, they need to be seen grieving. Some of them are genuinely affected, no doubt.

Anyway, since no one else has posted it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhfMvh6Em0M
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: patman on January 13, 2016, 12:37:44 PM
That was the one we played in the old days...that and Fame
Title: Re: RIP David Bowie
Post by: lowend1 on January 13, 2016, 01:35:23 PM
It's the way mourning is done these days, thanks to the 24-hour news cycle and social media. For many people, private grief or sadness isn't enough any more, they need to be seen grieving. Some of them are genuinely affected, no doubt.

Affected - yeah, that works...  but it isn't just the news cycle, social media, or even global warming - some people are just a few sammiches short of a picnic.
I was in college when John Lennon was killed. There was an ersatz Sid Vicious on campus at the time. The day after Lennon's murder, this guy was stumbling around the student center, weeping openly. Within a couple days he had combed his spiked hair down into bangs and was sporting a pair of little round spectacles, ala Sergeant Pepper-era John. He also took to toting a battered acoustic guitar around with him, strumming Beatles songs and whining plaintively. :bored: