The Last Bass Outpost
Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: copacetic on September 26, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
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So frightening the pictures might contaminate the entire outpost site. I do have a feeling however Uwe might find some justification.
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Obviously minority models. :mrgreen:
(http://leftyfretz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/left-handed-gibson-eb-bass-2017.jpg)
Uwe has made relaxed comments about these before. Not entirely my cup of tea, but not horrible. Like the Victory picked up traditional Fender shapes and did something to them which you either hated or preferred (I was vocally in the 2nd group!), this is Gibson's take on a semi-modern-looking bass. I don't find anything particularly wrong with it, but it will not set the world on fire. They probably had the instruction not to design something too outlandish or off-putting for the average bassist (and that is not us here in our tastes). Not as good as the Victory look, but better than the anodyne Gibson IV/V shape of the 80ies or the outright weird EB-Mosrites from a couple of years ago (though sound- and hardware-wise these were probably essentially the same as the new types and remember that their sound and hardware was good).
With a two-octave neck, a deep cutaway and a long upper horn to apparently combat neck heaviness, that is the just the type of shape/look that will find applause in bass magazines. People happy with their Fender P will hardly be sought out as new converts nor those who think that a TB Non-Rev was the last well-designed bass. ;) Won't get you thrown out immediately auditioning for a jazz rock or lounge combo. Try that with a Flying V or an Explorer bass. :mrgreen:
Yeah, I'll buy one. With less reluctance than I have done with some other models, but not with bated breath.
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Everything above the nut is great.... below the nut is ghastly. The best thing I can say is that we've seen worse.
Gibson should decide on a strategy and commit to it (changing it up year to year f***s things up; sometimes it takes more than a single financial year for something to show it's success).
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I believe this is the third topic about the new EB model her on the Outpost. Gibson must be doing something right to get that much attention!
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... Yeah, I'll buy one...
A lefty...? ;)
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I understand this bass may not be to the taste of all (many) Gibson bass lovers.
But I do find the references in other less educated places to this bass being a knock off of other makers designs very funny.
I can actually see plenty of Gibson tradition in this bass.
It is actually conceptually similar to the Double Cut/ Money Bass to me. 24 fret, small body, double buckers, VVT controls (a common layout in Gibson basses), large solid bridge (as opposed to a piece of bent metal).
The hardware and pickups have been used in Gibson models before and are now identifiable as "Gibson". The pickups bear a superficial resemblance to EBMM buckers or G&L buckers but hey, no one criticises that 90% of bass pickups look like 60 year old Fender designs. In fact much cork sniffing occurs around the subtle tonal difference that can be had through using various incarnations of these ancient designs.
The headstock is obviously pure Gibson.
Sure it has a long upper bout but Gibson did that years ago as well.
Some of the criticism of that aspect in other places seems to me be driven by disappointment that the critic may need to put away the neck dive demon that they trot out every time a Gibson bass discussion occurs. They would need to amend the standard form of words some seem to have saved on their computers for whenever a Gibson bass discussion comes to notice.
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Nothing is original anymore, least of all this. It is not a rip off as a whole, but all it's individual elements are . I suppose such re-synthesis is in itself sort of original, but it's not appealing to me, so I see it as a completely moot point.
I believe this is the third topic about the new EB model her on the Outpost. Gibson must be doing something right to get that much attention!
I stayed out of those , but I just feel like it today. Your second statement does not follow; it would get attention no matter what they did and there IS such a thingt as bad publicity (contrary to the common proverb). The thing they (maybe) did 'right' is actually release a bass this year.
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First Axl in AC/DC now this...
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I can see it listed in online stores, but it's not even on the Gibson website yet? Do they wait until it's physically sent to the shops before they acknowledge that it's part of the product range?
For my part, it's difficult to get excited about it - it's ... OK. It just doesn't make me go "phwoaaar, must have one of those". Wait and see - it took 2 iterations of the EB (2013-14) for me to get one (but that was aesthetics - boring colours and tort, ugh. Gold and black - hell yeah!). It's pretty keenly priced for a USA made bass, I suppose - but if I indulge at all it'll be when they turn up second hand or in a fire sale once Gibson do their usual and discontinue it within an attosecond of it being released because it didn't outsell Fender. Again. If I buy it new as soon as it's available I think it would be the same as setting fire to £400.
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It won't change the course of history. No Gibson bass ever has with perhaps the exception of the original EB-3 and its influence on Cream's and Free's sound (and the legions of bands these two influenced) as well as on the respective players' style, namely Bruce and Fraser. Both bands wouldn't have sounded the same had their bassist played with a classic Fender long scale sound. Just like Carol Kaye wouldn't have made those Beach Boys albums sound like they did with an EB-3.
The Gibson website is always hopelessly outdated/behind the times. And some models never even showed up there while there are at least three models - Continental V, (Gibson-built) Tobias "Guitar of the Month" Growler (set neck and not bolt-on like classic Tobias Growlers) and the 2015 V Bass - that were championed there that were never even built beyond the very first demonstration models/prototypes. Ironically, all three of them upmarket "leaving traditional Gibson bass mold"-items with Gibson ultimately chickening out to compete in the boutique range where the air gets thin.
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Aside from the headstock, they look more Ibanez than Gibby to me.
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Ibanez was my thought also
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None of the Gibson USA 2017 models are on Gibson's website yet.
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These are clearly not aimed at people who already like existing Gibson bass designs. Be realistic, why would they? It's not like they've ever sold a ton of any bass.
I think they look fine, they just don't look like a classic Gibson. So what? They're probably a really good value at $999 if that is indeed the price. They'll sell a few, and probably give up and try another design in a year or two. So it goes.
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In the real world - i.e. outside this forum ;D - "looking like an Ibanez" is not a put-down. But they actually do, the BTB series comes to mind a little.
That said, Gibson would be celebrating Christmas 365 times a year if they had a fraction of the Ibanez bass sales.
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When I visited Gibson Europe two weeks ago they told me Gibson is going to release three new models in 2018. The EB 2017 seems to be out of their focus already. Like they rather skip this one before it has even been in the stores.
I don't think there is much wrong with the design of the EB 2017. It is not exactly my cup of tea, but that is totally irrelevant.
The only thing that bothers me is the wavy finish of the body. Gibson seems to think pore filler is something of the past. But skipping the pore filler doesn't work that good with black or burst colors.
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Come Uwe that's not true. Looking like some Ibanez basses is not a put down; they have a great range in terms of both quality and aesthetics. Give me an ATK or select Artcores any day. I would include the Talmans as well but not so much fan of the P/J settup. Personally feel that they should have used Dano style lipsticks in there like on the first issue of the 6 bangers back in the 90s.
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Jake, I have no issues with Ibanez or Yamaha basses at all (I own more than a couple), on the contrary, I was trying to stress that outside of this forum of cultists for traditional American brands such as Fender, Rickenbacker and Gibson, a comparison to an Ibanez bass is nothing negative. "But they actually do" only referred to that, yes, the new Gibby model does look a bit ibanezish, but there is nothing terrible about that.
My first decent bass was an Ibanez Ric Ho, I was immensely proud to have it, should have hung on to it.
The ATK (I have one) is a nasty beast, but great for it. If a Stingray is the girl you want to marry, then the ATK is the neighborhood slut you keep thinking about. :)
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I understood you - I am disagreeing with the 'outside this forum' bit. Since Ibanez/Yamaha have such a wide product offering it depends on the bass or series. Some are well regarded and others not so much. Both make some particularly non-appealing-looking ones as well as some that are very well-loved.
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I'm going on a hunger strike until they start making proper MAHOGANY basses again...
And by hunger strike I mean not eating anything but steak and beer.
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Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to pay our last respects to brother 66Atlas... :mrgreen:
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I wonder why they don't make an ash Thunderbird studio kind of thing, or an ash SG'ish type of thing. pay homage to the time honored designs with a new twist.
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Mahogany basses aren't just that popular anymore and in fact - 60ies excepted - never were. My pet theory is that finger bass playing is much more widespread than playing with a pick and a finger picked maho bass can be a bit harder to project just like a pick played maple, alder or ash bass can be a bit too much of a good thing.
As a pick player myself, I enjoy that I can play a Gibson maho bass with a pick as hard as I wish and not sound like Chris Squire or Geddy Lee (a finger player that sounds like apick player), with all due respect to both of them as fantastic bassists. I'm also quirky on bass and tend to be ahead of the beat, a Gibson maho bass mellows me down and is not as outrageously attack-happy, so I don't dominate as much. It's a thing I keep hearing: "Whether you play simple or complicated, fast or slow, loud or subdued, Uwe, you dominate." Not everybody is happy with that! Maho cushions me.
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I wonder why they don't make an ash Thunderbird studio kind of thing, or an ash SG'ish type of thing. pay homage to the time honored designs with a new twist.
They did make an SG Bass with a true sandwich body a few years back. Maple front, mahogany back. At least they were willing to try something different.
Mahogany basses aren't just that popular anymore and in fact - 60ies excepted - never were. My pet theory is that finger bass playing is much more widespread than playing with a pick and a finger picked maho bass can be a bit harder to project just like a pick played maple, alder or ash bass can be a bit too much of a good thing.
As a pick player myself, I enjoy that I can play a Gibson maho bass with a pick as hard as I wish and not sound like Chris Squire or Geddy Lee (a finger player that sounds like apick player), with all due respect to both of them as fantastic bassists. I'm also quirky on bass and tend to be ahead of the beat, a Gibson maho bass mellows me down and is not as outrageously attack-happy, so I don't dominate as much. It's a thing I keep hearing: "Whether you play simple or complicated, fast or slow, loud or subdued, Uwe, you dominate." Not everybody is happy with that! Maho cushions me.
You must not have noticed Ibanez in recent years. They use more mahogany than any other wood, both by itself and with maple top. They don't claim it's Honduras mahogany, but neither does Gibson in their USA line.
When I visited Gibson Europe two weeks ago they told me Gibson is going to release three new models in 2018. The EB 2017 seems to be out of their focus already. Like they rather skip this one before it has even been in the stores.
I don't think there is much wrong with the design of the EB 2017. It is not exactly my cup of tea, but that is totally irrelevant.
The only thing that bothers me is the wavy finish of the body. Gibson seems to think pore filler is something of the past. But skipping the pore filler doesn't work that good with black or burst colors.
It's good news that they are still committed to building basses. Now if they would only promote them like their guitars.
I agree with you about the lack of pore filler over ash. It's much more noticeable than on the faded mahogany models. But it does keep the cost down.
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Mahogany basses aren't just that popular anymore and in fact - 60ies excepted - never were. My pet theory is that finger bass playing is much more widespread than playing with a pick and a finger picked maho bass can be a bit harder to project just like a pick played maple, alder or ash bass can be a bit too much of a good thing.
As a pick player myself, I enjoy that I can play a Gibson maho bass with a pick as hard as I wish and not sound like Chris Squire or Geddy Lee (a finger player that sounds like apick player), with all due respect to both of them as fantastic bassists. I'm also quirky on bass and tend to be ahead of the beat, a Gibson maho bass mellows me down and is not as outrageously attack-happy, so I don't dominate as much. It's a thing I keep hearing: "Whether you play simple or complicated, fast or slow, loud or subdued, Uwe, you dominate." Not everybody is happy with that! Maho cushions me.
Heretic!
I rather enjoy fingering my mahogany ;D To make matters worse I pluck just in front of the bridge with my thumb anchored on the bridge pickup. Couple that with my tendency to drag and play behind the beat you'd never guess I listened too much to this guy.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a8/c6/77/a8c677d2ea5cc53e5e28ff2242f6cc53.jpg)
Now if only I had his hair.... :-[
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Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to pay our last respects to brother 66Atlas... :mrgreen:
That was good, ;D
Light a candle for me once a year when I'm gone and use the flame to bake some maple.
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Now if only I had his hair.... :-[
Referreing to a recent LBO thread, there is no reason why you can't!. Let's check ebay :)
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Heretic!
I rather enjoy fingering my mahogany ;D To make matters worse I pluck just in front of the bridge with my thumb anchored on the bridge pickup. Couple that with my tendency to drag and play behind the beat you'd never guess I listened too much to this guy.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a8/c6/77/a8c677d2ea5cc53e5e28ff2242f6cc53.jpg)
Now if only I had his hair.... :-[
I still do and play finger style in almost the same position.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/wvrf6e.jpg) (http://i63.tinypic.com/191sh1.jpg)
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Except it's a long scale bass...
And the wrong brand... :mrgreen:
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Except it's a long scale bass...
And the wrong brand... :mrgreen:
That is true. ;D
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... Light a candle for me once a year when I'm gone and use the flame to bake some maple...
Can I bake some beans...? :mrgreen:
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Already a used one up on the auction block. These really are Carvin-esque, with a hint of Tobias.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/222372741741?ul_noapp=true (http://www.ebay.com/itm/222372741741?ul_noapp=true)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nzkAAOSwImRYc9OK/s-l1600.jpg)
(https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/s--CAROet_4--/a_exif,c_limit,e_unsharp_mask:80,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_south,h_1600,q_80,w_1600/v1429104608/u5lov8pu8mnnaxmpwf4x.jpg)
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stiles32 is the seller. stiles72 is a member here although he's hardly posted in the past couple of years, and he has Gibsons. I'm guessing they're one and the same.
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I'm assuming the 2017 EB Bass has the De Cola pickups. I notice that they don't have the coil tapping variations the 2015 TBIV's had. I like simplicity but the coil tapping switches on the '15 TBIV was a nice option that gave quite a wide range of possibilities. You could actually go to a gig or in the studio and not have to bring along a Jazz or a precision and still have a TBIV.
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It has two push/pulls for coil switching.
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Ahhh that's nice as well.