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Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Rhythm N. Bliss on July 31, 2009, 09:54:17 PM
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Don't want to put this Simon Phillips clip on the Crappy Drummers thread so...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vti-ufVDXc
Anthony Jackson on Bass!!
Watchin' a SP instructional DVD.
Got to meet him at NAMM once.
"I started playing Double Bass Drums in 1974 & the first thing I noticed is that the kit felt BALANCED!!" ~ Simon Phillips
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oh yes.i went to one of his drum clinics years ago here in wellington,nice bloke and an awesome drummer.i first heard him on 801 live which has been remastered with extra tracks yahoo.
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Phillips is simply brilliant, an abundance of chops and mindblowing technique coupled with an youthful enthusiasm in his playing and am excellent ear for what is going on around him. He was 18 when he drummed on Priest's Sin after Sin at the recommendation of producer Roger Glover (Phillips got an immediate job offer from the Brummies, but declined) and his drumming still jumps out on that album (and the whole JP drumming canon for that atter) to this day.
It's alright to play a lot if it is meaningful and takes the listener on a journey. Phillips is one of the few drummers that can do that. His drumming is pure joy and musicality to listen to. And he is also one of the few that actually understands how you can work two bass drums intelligently.
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In the other topic I was going to post a clip with Simon Philips drumming with MSG, in comparison to Cozy Powell with MSG. But I couldn't find any video footage.
Simon Philips has a light-footedness, yet he still keeps it solid and powerful. Cozy Powell just bashed though the songs in a very unmusical manner.
There's a lot of drummers I really dig.
Kenny Aronoff is one that springs to mind. His drumming with John Mellencamp is excellent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEOR5WQ2xWg
Or with Philip Sayce, who happens to be another favorite of mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0gVVQm8CdI
Another favorite drummer of mine is Jason Patterson. He drummed with Cry Of Love and Chris Duarte.
Here he is with Cry Of Love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPMYVb1ItOc
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I just love Matt Abts drumming. Can pretty much be whatever he wants to be while still being in the groove.
I gotta agree about Simon Phillips.
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joe morello (brubeck, et al) and chuck carroll (young fresh fellows).
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My favs
Tony williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkZ8Ikr9L4
Billy Cobham
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYBTBv_h4CQ
Bruford
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsBRQrJ30Bw&feature=related
Jack DeJohnette
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIwHLsG2YdY&feature=related
Buddy Rich- yeah he was a lunitic to his band but-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgaD54YcXpA&feature=related
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I just love Matt Abts drumming. Can pretty much be whatever he wants to be while still being in the groove.
He's awesome.
On the Deepest End DVD you can see how he really communicates with the band and all the guest bass players in particular.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCChtZDUtP0
Saw this last week. Some amazing chops!
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It's frightening just looking at his kit.
(http://www.columbuspercussion.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ss_bozzio.jpg)
(http://medisinmusicforthemasses.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/terry_bozzio_drumset2.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eryKoeilK9U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eryKoeilK9U)
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I saw TB with Jeff Beck back in the early 90's his kit was bigger than average but didn't seem as ludicrous as that setup.
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Funny how so many great drummers are getting DW kits now but they're so expensive most guys who play 'em play a single bass kit.
Bozzio must have spent a fortune on all that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe he got a lot of it (perhaps even all of it) free thru endorsements.
It not only looks ridiculous but sounds silly tooo hahaa haaaaa
Still....
He's amazing with Bozzio Levin Stevens!!!
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Drummer (John Yacka) I used to play with in 2 different bands back in the 80's played Camco kits which I believe was the same company before Drummers World magazine bought it.
Here it is. He has 2 Camco kits and depending on which band he is playing in will sometimes combine the kits using a double bass configuration. Obviously for Deep Purple stuff and being a left the single kick was a good choice. Paice is his hero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaDacUvseKA
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I saw TB with Jeff Beck back in the early 90's his kit was bigger than average but didn't seem as ludicrous as that setup.
Bozzio & Cobhan are two drummers who can carry off having huge kits.
I saw Bozzio with Zappa (many times) & with Missing Persons (great show)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcnptUmDVQM
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Yeah, John I agree he made that kit with Beck sound like it was the perfect setup.
@Rob: Thanks for that Phillip Sayce vid I have seen you mention him before but thats the 1st time I have actually listened to any of his stuff. We have a great drummer here in Aust called Nicky Bomba. He played with a band in the 90's called "Truth" (named after a trashy tabloid newspaper that used to exist in Melbourne - Always with the sense of Irony us Aussies ;) ). Anyway apart from the fact that Nicky is a fantastic drummer, the Truth had a singer called Tony Kopa who sounds a lot like Sayce.
Great band IMHO, they were all big Free fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRrIU7NGtG8
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RE Cry of Love
This is a song/vid I was particularly impressed with not just the drumming but each individual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXqd0QnYiKI
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We have a great drummer here in Aust called Nicky Bomba. He played with a band in the 90's called "Truth" (named after a trashy tabloid newspaper that used to exist in Melbourne - Always with the sense of Irony us Aussies ;) ). Anyway apart from the fact that Nicky is a fantastic drummer, the Truth had a singer called Tony Kopa who sounds a lot like Sayce.
Great band IMHO, they were all big Free fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRrIU7NGtG8
Thanx for sharing Brett. I really dig that kinda music. Although I'm usually not too keen on 5 string bass sounds. ;)
Did they make any albums. Are they still for sale?
That vid actually reminds me a lot of another great band called DAG.
Their drummer Kenny Soule is/was awesome too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSmZFBP3Nok
No coincidence: there is a Cry Of Love connection here: they were from Raleigh too and they had the same producer John Custer.
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Truth did 2 albums, "The Truth" (1995) and "Headspace" (1997).
The bass on the first album was actually even worse than you suspect, it was the keyboard player playing bass samples. I saw them do this live and while I was disappointed at having no bass player I was pretty impressed with the lines that played played.
The Headspace album had Mick Girasole on bass and is a better album for it.
As far as I'm aware their albums are no longer available. I have both and a "Live at the Espy" CD if you are interested.
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Certainly not to everyone ones taste but I love the rhythm section of Frenzal Rhomb, actually I like the whole band ;)
Drummer Gordy Foreman is tight, punchy and powerful. Also very technical if the need arises.
Seriously, these guys (Part timers) are every bit as good (or better) as any of the mega punk bands currently touring the world IMHO. At least their production sound is less clinical and more raw than their modern counterparts and if I remember rightly that was originally one of the prerequisites for this kind of music. I also like the fact that they dont take themselves too seriously. Love em.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9-jBticD00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tshV60Fg-Pw
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I think Terry must have loved Dale a whole lot to play drums with her singing. A Lennon/Yoko thing no doubt.
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Dale was very lovable in the 80s but now...not so much.
Bozzio looks & sounds almost METAL here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzt6PwuQABk
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RE Cry of Love
This is a song/vid I was particularly impressed with not just the drumming but each individual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXqd0QnYiKI
YEAH! I dig their style. I'll be checkin' out s'more of them...
Drummer's got a nice Double Bass DW kit!!
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Here's an ultra cool song/jam by Cry Of Love. With a cool drum vs guitar intermezzo in part 2 at 5:17.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w16xMz-RVLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhPJf73t_fQ
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Yeah! Dig that drum & guitar exchange!! & after that a little of In Memory of Elizabeth Reed.
Audley Freed was good with the Black Crowes too, playin' lots of slide.
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Two of my favorites:
1. Jean-Paul Gaster of Clutch - It's difficult to go see Clutch without being mesmerized by JP's playing. His timing is impeccable and he adds tons of color to some pretty raucous music.
2. Gavin Harrison of Porcupine Tree - the man has some mean feet and can play cymbals as well as anyone I've ever heard. He's a real genius with his kit.
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Robert Sweet of STRYPER kicks ass on this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICUMdUJEo4Y
Some of the Best Double Bass Ever!!
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Does double bass drum mean you have to play everything fast, with a lot of 16ths and leave very little space? :rolleyes: That is so clichée.
I dunno, but if I were a drummer with a double bass drum kit, I'd tune my two bass drums slightly differently and play patterns on them I normally play with one foot, changing between the two bass drums. And leave some space so people would actually listen to what I'm playing rather than be bludgeoned by it. There is nothing wrong with playing a syncopated 16th or even 32th once in a while, but a pattern that consists mostly of it? John Petrucci drumming - yawn. :bored:
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I wish the available clips Captain Beyond were better. Bobby Caldwell has always been one of my favorite drummers. When I saw them live, he was doing quads on a single bass kit and one pedal. He's fast and tight.
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Metalheads mostly like to be bludgeoned tho, Uwe! lol
Funny you mentioned Petrucci in this context too, since I almost posted earlier this excerpt from Mike Portnoy's instructional Liquid Drum Theater DVD that I watched again tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgnue2r8vlM
He's my fav drummer & drum guru!! He plays double pedals on a single kick with LTE!!
btw~ The DVDS that were filmed in June 2008 of Liquid Tension Experiment are now available.
I intend to get the one of their L.A. show, which I attended.
It was AWESOME! We were SO glad to see that they were makin' a DVD!
Here's the trailer with a link to buy the dvd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2-YrGNl01M
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I've always liked this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZLLYEzKE8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je_iqbgGXFw
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Steve Gadd is awesome!
When I saw the thread title, David King from The Bad Plus came to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX_Iij8Eyts
as did Greg Saunier from Deerhoof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FvytQXi-zc
and Jaki Liebezeit from Can:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qZh9bgrKmQ
Non to everyone's tastes I'm sure, but talented players nonetheless.
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How do you post you tube clips? I just copied the URL and thought I saw the video when I first posted them.
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How do you post you tube clips? I just copied the URL and thought I saw the video when I first posted them.
Ususally, you just do what you did- drop the link in your post, and it just works.
That's happened to me a few times too, where the link displays instead of the embedded video. Not sure how to fix it.
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I believe some videos prohibit embedding.
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Neil Peart's probably top of my list...
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Ginger Baker just turned 70 !!!!
Here's a short solo from a free concert Blind Faith did:
http://www.interestment.co.uk/2009/08/19/happy-birthday-ginger-baker-heres-a-drum-solo/
He was 29 when I saw him with CREAM in '68. I was 15.
He got me interested in playing Double Bass drums early on!!
I thot he was the Greatest Thing On Earth!! Maybe he was!! heh
Jack Bruce & Eric Clapton were AMAZING too!!
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Anyone interested in drummers could read Max Weinberg's book of interwievs with famous drummers, The Big Beat. I never knew that Ringo Starr is lefthanded, until I read Big beat. That explains why his playing sounds odd at times - playing the beat righthanded, shifts into lefthanded in rolls and fills.
Earl Palmer, drummer on many of Little Richards 50's recordings, later boss of the Musicians Union, is also there. As D J Fontana, Charlie Watts, Jim Keltner. Plus Johnny Badanjek, drummer in the Mitch Ryders great band, The Detroit Wheels.
Me, myself, I really like what seems like simplicity in Levon Helms drumming, the controlled insanity in Keith Moon, and the absolute sweetness in Jim Gordons style. Among others...
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Simon Kirke. even those songs that I've played to death over the years haven't jaded when I focus on his drumming. To cross metaphors he would be my Desert Island Drummer.
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jim gordon killed his mother with a hammer. that aside he was on a ton of records in the 60's and 70's. he was the go to guy. :sad:
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Was he the guy on "If I Had a Hammer" with Peter, Paul & Mary ???
Rick
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Had the good fortune to see Johnny Bee Badanjek with Alice Cooper some time long ago... damn good drummer...
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The poor guy, Gordon, was sick. Don't know why. And Phil Spector is sick... Where is this world heading? Please, tell me if you can, what time do the trains roll in? (Room for your answers: - Two-ten, six-eighteen, ten-forty-four! (Whoa-whoa!!!)
Now who wrote that tune? (Clue: It's not a drummer...)
Anyways, Mr Freud is absolutely right: Simon Kirke is a great and heavy drummer! The stuff he and Andy Fraser did is the best (and don't get me wrong about that one!).
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Was he the guy on "If I Had a Hammer" with Peter, Paul & Mary ???
Rick
Was he the inspiration for Maxwells silver hammer?
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The poor guy, Gordon, was sick. Don't know why. And Phil Spector is sick... Where is this world heading? Please, tell me if you can, what time do the trains roll in? (Room for your answers: - Two-ten, six-eighteen, ten-forty-four! (Whoa-whoa!!!)
Now who wrote that tune? (Clue: It's not a drummer...)
And he's not much of a poet either. ;)
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You're fuggin right, Dave!javascript:void(0);
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"I really like what seems like simplicity in Levon Helms drumming."
I don't find Levon Helm's drum work simple sounding at all, actually it is quite intricate and right down impenetrable at times. Watch what he does with the bass drum around 0:58 here and with the cymbals at around 2:50:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMHyovwX7JM)
That is almost Ginger Bakerish and miles off what other very good drummers would play to a hit like "The Night they drove old Dixie down".
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That's the point. Levons drumming sounds simple enough, but when you Listen to it, you hear how intricate it is. Really great. Did anyone listen to his latest album, Electric dirt? Top of the line, in my opinion. And a great title!
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Did this painting called No Quarter 15 years ago.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/LightSnake/NoQuarter2.jpg)
Trippy red & gold shimmer at the bottom from the camera.
"The snow falls hard & don't you know
the snows of Thor are blowin' cold
They carry the news that must get thru
Walking side by side with Death
The Devil mocks their every step
The Dogs of Doom they howl & moan
They choose the path where no one goes
They hold no quarter" ~ Led Zep, No Quarter
Bonzo was amazing! The Best Ever Drummer
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That devil in your pic reminds me of Ridley Scott's Legend, then starring a still youthful Tom Cruise as the hero and Tim Curry as the Dark Lord.
(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.propstore.com/content/propstorecollection/darkness/dvd3.jpg&usg=AFQjCNHcs0K71hwXMKRoN-E4VJBPA9kCcw)
Probably Scott's worst film (though some of the imagery was great), but then I've meanwhile heard that the original was cut beyond recognition (and comprehension). Anybody ever seen the 2002 DVD Director's Cut? Is that less of a car crash?
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Missed that... ta Uwe... Mr Scott (and his brother) are masterful craftsmen; everyone have there off days...
Anyone ever hear Tim Curry's first (?) LP... was it Ezrin at the desk, with most of the Lou Reed/Alice Cooper crew on the instruments... I vaguely remember an outstanding track called "Cold Gin", or "Sloe Gin"... the LP languishes in my loft, as does his second... not played for around 25 years...
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I remember one song from it: "I do the rock". That line "mee-I-do-thee-only-thing-that-still-makes-sense-to-mee ... I do the rock" has stuck with me even though I only heard that song once on the German TV show below and one more time on the radio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go00SvSB0mw
I guess there was already one Ian Dury & the Blockheads existing at the time (and he was huge in Germany), so Curry went nowhere with this even though Frank'n'furter was cult in Germany even back then.
Is that Bob Kulick playing guitar? Sure looks like him, that silly baseball cap ain't fooling me.
Does anybody remember his project band Balance?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llu3u7nI1cc
Unsung AOR (= stadium rock) heroes just like these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEK26dbdX4g
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IDTR - written by TC and Michael Kamen, featuring Dick Wagner on guitar, on the studio version... That's certainly BK in that vid...
My best man used to be able to get tickets for a variety of Thames Television shows at Teddington Lock Studios, saw "It Bites" supporting Kajagoogoo (:puke:), both 1/2 hour shows, but one week they had Meatloaf, with Mr Kulick on guitar, which was exceptionally good... series was called "Meltdown"
Best show money can't buy...
That TC track was called "Sloe Gin" ("I'm so f*ckin' lonely..." sung in a frightenly good drunken voice), written by Bob Ezrin and the late Michael Kamen...
I always thought he was more in the vein of Warren Zevon...
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I didnt realise that Michael Kamen had died. I loved a lot of his stuff, especially Edge of darkness with Eric Clapton. I was at the Wall concert in Berlin and I know he did that and the Eric Clapton 24 nights gigs in 91 where I was also present.
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'fraid so Bret... there is some good interview and in-depth study of how he worked on the Metallica S&M DVD, if you like that sort of stuff; probably the best linking of an orchestra with rock-music, end-of-story...
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CHARLIE WATTS.
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That summer wine song totally reminds me of the Calexico song 'The ballad of Cable Hogue".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w89r74jAG30
Not sure how I got 2 of these video's in this post.
(Edit: because you used the embed code. All you have to do is use the regular URL)
Thanks Dave!
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(No "great drummers" content here)
Now the actual movie "The Ballad of Cable Hogue" had a nice song called Butterfly Mornings. Duet with Stella Stevens and Jason Robards.
It doesn't start until about the 2:30 mark but trust me, this whole clip is worth watching unless you're offended by the sight of Stella Stevens' bottom. 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYaItNsVlz0
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Great movie. And Slim Pickens, too!
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'fraid so Bret... there is some good interview and in-depth study of how he worked on the Metallica S&M DVD, if you like that sort of stuff; probably the best linking of an orchestra with rock-music, end-of-story...
Sad that Michael Kamen passed away all right. He did such a great job on S&M!
Lars Ulrich did a good job on DRUMS too!! They all did real well & looked sharp tooo
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Did this painting called No Quarter 15 years ago.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/LightSnake/NoQuarter2.jpg)
Trippy red & gold shimmer at the bottom from the camera.
"The snow falls hard & don't you know
the snows of Thor are blowin' cold
They carry the news that must get thru
Walking side by side with Death
The Devil mocks their every step
The Dogs of Doom they howl & moan
They choose the path where no one goes
They hold no quarter" ~ Led Zep, No Quarter
Bonzo was amazing! The Best Ever Drummer
Bonzo checked out 29 years ago today!
Watchin' How The West Was Won.
No, not the flick with Jimmy Stewart as a Mountain Man. lol
Saw Bonham do a 45 minute Moby Dick in '71 in L.A.
Seems the others were busy with more shenanigans than usual. heh
He wasn't boring at all. AMAZING the entire solo!!!!!!!
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Wow... 30 years since Knebworth... and my first broken nose... got a beercan in the face, not entirely empty, during the LZ set... a day of lowz and highz... :sad: ;D
God rest Bonzo...