I don't know why Winger became to epitomize the laughable side of 80ies hair metal. I know a couple of their songs, they were catchy pop rock songs, less clicheed than some of the stuff Bon Jovi did, even clever at times, why Winger are funny and Cinderella and Night Ranger (which I like) aren't, I'll never know. There was a rumor that along with Slaughter, Winger's MTV Unplugged session was deemed so bad it was never aired. I'd be surprised if that were true, Kip was an experinced bass player with Alice Cooper, Reb Beach is no sluch on the guitar (whteher you like his whammy bar dive bomb approach is another matter) and did even the drummer come from college student favorite proggies Dixie Dregs?