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Title: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 05, 2023, 02:06:52 PM
(https://i.redd.it/leuhlcjiq9ga1.gif?w=144)

Does give new meaning to the term Chinese dumpling ...   :popcorn:
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: Dave W on February 06, 2023, 12:01:33 AM
https://youtu.be/KlyERnu7zUw
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: Alanko on February 06, 2023, 01:35:23 AM
I feel like we are getting quarter of half the story of this balloon.

Anyway...

https://youtu.be/SaMJkQWLdW4
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 06, 2023, 06:00:10 AM
If I may share a relativist observation:

There is probably not a square inch on earth that has not been subject to US reconnaissance since the 50ies several times over, new lava islands that have sprung up in the Pacific possibly excepted, but they'll get to those too in time, no worries.

Still, downing that thing was perfectly warranted - as would have been sabotage or destruction of a US satellite spying over China by the Chinese. The golden rule is: Don't get caught. And if you are, don't be a sissy about it.

In general, espionage is a healthy thing, as long as everyone does it and shares in the results some of the time; it manages expectations of all participants and keeps things in balance. Some of the worst decisions in world history were taken for lack of sensibly procured prior intelligence.

They could at least have painted a dragon on it. Or Dr Fu Manchu.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/xUPGcs5AyStIz0pfXy/200.gif?cid=ecf05e47i22lpbt08htqis48brsr6ageglji8du7ii3v4n5r&rid=200.gif&ct=g)

And I was half-expecting that the US would abduct the balloon intact and analyse everything in some officially non-existent desert underground facility!  :mrgreen:

Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 06, 2023, 06:25:42 AM
https://youtu.be/KlyERnu7zUw

Now what would be the term for that today, redfacing?  :mrgreen:

And for the record: The German Pickelhaube (made of leather btw)

(https://preview.redd.it/z4v2mc7hi0ez.jpg?auto=webp&s=c7315868ea5bc9fc4608548d03002769db5a6447)

was faded out 107 years ago and replaced by the sheet metal Stahlhelm!

(https://www.historynet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/StahlhelmM1916ProfDrSchwerd-1024x606.jpg)
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: Alanko on February 06, 2023, 08:07:41 AM
Neunundneunzig Luftballons...

(https://www.guide4moms.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Chinese-Spy-Balloon-Memes-5.jpeg)
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 06, 2023, 09:16:22 AM
In der Tat.

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Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: westen44 on February 06, 2023, 10:57:16 AM
This thread can only go for so long without this video itself being posted.  The world needs Nena now more than ever. 

https://youtu.be/Fpu5a0Bl8eY
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 06, 2023, 11:20:38 AM
I heard that song in 1983 once and knew it would rule the airwaves. Ironically, the record company had doubts because "it doesn't even have a real chorus".

It's to this day her signature song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO5lfJ9dhs

Grandma Nena has caught some flak in recent times in Germany for troubling comments about COVID 19 and her appearance before/with so-called "Reichsbürger" - nutcases who believe that the Federal Republic doesn't exist as it is "just an ocupation government" and the German Reich continues to exist, meaning current Germany has no administrative rights over them. Yeah, whatever. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I've seen her in concert, she's certainly no Ella Fitzgerald, but she's a lot better than Doro Pesch, her voice having hardly aged. She has undeniable charm as a front woman. My favorite song of hers was always this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=356i1JSloUA
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: westen44 on February 06, 2023, 01:21:39 PM
MTV had only been in existence for about three years when 99 Luftballons came out.  They played it every chance they could, and people loved it.  The English version, though, wasn't even half as popular.  That particular song just needs to be in German.  This is something that eventually became obvious. 

Here is Nena at Pinkpop which I just found.  It seems they had a few technical issues, but I'm listening to it anyway. 

https://youtu.be/_RIf9hoU35M
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: morrow on February 06, 2023, 01:41:07 PM
You’d think they’d have the sense to stamp “made in Russia” on it somewhere.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 06, 2023, 05:39:04 PM
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/hot-air-balloon-ussr-flag-d-rendering-92773589.jpg)
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 06, 2023, 05:55:11 PM
Everyone gets a keepsake once in a while, even if it takes 63 years, uhum, POWERS that be allowing ...

(https://www.airforcetimes.com/resizer/pE_p7B-AGqpO7gx-a0k8qH0ppks=/1024x0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/JXXKRO5XFBDLXB2JCF4THR6D6E.jpg)

But will some Irish band ever moniker themselves after a nameless balloon? I'm for nicknaming it Mulan.

(https://i.etsystatic.com/23452073/r/il/08dac2/2602056249/il_570xN.2602056249_bkji.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVcLIfSC4OE

Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: Dave W on February 06, 2023, 11:30:25 PM
https://youtu.be/hl_2DC5u_dk
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: lowend1 on February 07, 2023, 08:01:15 PM
I heard that song in 1983 once and knew it would rule the airwaves. Ironically, the record company had doubts because "it doesn't even have a real chorus".

It's to this day her signature song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO5lfJ9dhs

Grandma Nena has caught some flak in recent times in Germany for troubling comments about COVID 19 and her appearance before/with so-called "Reichsbürger" - nutcases who believe that the Federal Republic doesn't exist as it is "just an ocupation government" and the German Reich continues to exist, meaning current Germany has no administrative rights over them. Yeah, whatever. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I've seen her in concert, she's certainly no Ella Fitzgerald, but she's a lot better than Doro Pesch, her voice having hardly aged. She has undeniable charm as a front woman. My favorite song of hers was always this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=356i1JSloUA

I see she still has local NJ boy Paul DiLeo on bass. Can't miss the backwards and upside down thing. Most be almost 20 years, now. Good for him.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on February 08, 2023, 06:17:22 AM
Everyone gets a keepsake once in a while, even if it takes 63 years, uhum, POWERS that be allowing ...

China has their own collection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Cat_Squadron).

(https://i.imgur.com/byyJjho.jpg)


Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 08, 2023, 07:30:52 AM
I had no idea they had downed so many! :mrgreen: But in a strict sense, those weren't US, but Taiwanese reconnaissance planes - at least that was the official blurb at the time (and the Taiwanese pilots had of course been trained in Texas).

It's human nature to wish to know more than the other person and have him/her not know that you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zf1loc6S7U
Yup, you can hear that Mike Batt did the arrangement.  ;D

If it wasn't for that, the US, Russia, China, Israel, Iran + North Korea as well as anyone else of inquisitive nature could all agree on one mutually financed state-of-the-art huge spy satellite surveilling everything and the data being freely available to all of them with of course Wikileaks paying a moderate license fee for the rest of us.

I have lots of simple solutions for burning world problems like that.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 08, 2023, 07:56:30 AM
https://youtu.be/hl_2DC5u_dk

Never 'eard of it. But it's a real cool track.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: Dave W on February 08, 2023, 04:20:01 PM
Never 'eard of it. But it's a real cool track.

Garage rock from 1967. It made the Top 40.

Trivia #1: The label on the original run read A Question of Tempature.

Trivia #2: The singer was Mike Appel who later became Bruce Springsteen's manager and had a big legal falling-out with him.

And who would some of us rather listen to than Springsteen? Sophie Tucker.

So Balloon Farm leads to Sophie Tucker. Now all you have to do is find a connection between Deep Purple and Sophie Tucker.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: westen44 on February 08, 2023, 05:49:15 PM
I went to the Steve Hoffman forums.  Someone said there was a rumor that Springsteen had said Deep Purple was a minor band not worthy of being in the RRHOF.  But not a single person could substantiate the rumor.  One person did note that Deep Purple could stomp Bruce Springsteen on stage without even plugging in their instruments. 
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 08, 2023, 07:25:29 PM
Two words: Steel Mill, Springsteen's early 70ies heavy rock band, I hear a lot more DP (and Grand Funk) than Led Zep in that, roaring Hammond and all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJUvc_TRTHs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBEWsZDUTp0

So it's probably a load of crap, especially with New Jersey being traditional Deep Purple territory. Or maybe the Boss was just trying to get even.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j6-Xqt9qBY

But frankly it doesn't sound like something Springsteen would have ever let slip.

Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: westen44 on February 08, 2023, 09:52:51 PM
When Blackmore says he doesn't see what people see in Springsteen whatsover, I totally agree.  For so long, I was kind of a silent critic when it came to Bruce Springsteen.  I was around people who really liked him.  I didn't.  Once I was visiting a very close friend and she had Springsteen on.  I had to ask her if she would please take off the music.  It was actually rude, but I just couldn't help myself. 
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 09, 2023, 05:39:20 AM
I don't regard the Boss as a deity and it wasn't until the late 90ies or even later until I bought my first Springsteen album (a three CD compilation), I've only seen him live once and like many Europeans I heard the cover versions of his songs by Manfred Mann's Earth Band (Spirits in the Night & Blinded by the Light), The Pointer Sisters (Fire), Patti Smith (Because the Night) & The Hollies (4th of July, Asbury Park [Sandy]) long before I had heard anything from him (and when I finally did, I found his originals to those covers inferior). All these songs, however, contained lyric lines that struck me as poetic.

He's no doubt a storyteller and creator of images who taps on the core of the American soul/spirit. His lyrics can be John Steinbeck'esqe, the music that he adds to them otoh is just an easy-on-the-ear accompaniment, the E-Street band in its various incarnations is solid if uninspiring, essentially just a backing band, the arrangements - forgive me - very seldom transcend what a well-rehearsed bar band would come up with within minutes at a jam session. If Springsteen and the E-Street Band had come from Camden, UK, and not New Jersey, USA, they would have been described as a pub rock band in the 70ies. But has he written some good songs, some great lyrics (my favorite: "like a river that don't where it's going, I took a wrong turn and I just kept going" from Hungry Heart) and made a lot people happy in his stadium gigs along the way? Yes. Do I prefer Nils Lofgren albums or anything Little Steven & the Disciples of Soul have done more recently to anything that the Boss has released in a long time? Also yes. Ronnie Montrose once said that the E-Street Band is as much a musical corset doomed to always provide the same sound as AC/DC and I think that was a very perceptive observation by him.

Ritchie not liking Springsteen, well, take that with a pinch of salt, he dislikes a lot of things that are actually quite good. He used to be an opinionated smart-alec as a young man, now he's an opinionated old badger. And the way Springsteen ticks, he would have rather bitten off his tongue than say something similar about Ritchie or DP.

Kudos also for the Boss' self-deprecating humor sometimes, like when he said at one of his solo gigs "You know, I'm a total fraud, I've never spent a single day of work in a factory ... see, that's how good I am!"
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: lowend1 on February 09, 2023, 07:31:11 AM
When Blackmore says he doesn't see what people see in Springsteen whatsover, I totally agree.  For so long, I was kind of a silent critic when it came to Bruce Springsteen.  I was around people who really liked him.  I didn't.  Once I was visiting a very close friend and she had Springsteen on.  I had to ask her if she would please take off the music.  It was actually rude, but I just couldn't help myself.

Try being a NJ native that despises not only the vast majority of his music, but his phoney-baloney "common man" persona as well.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 09, 2023, 09:26:30 AM
OMG, John Fogerty didn't come from the rural South either and his accent is an invention of his. Nor did almost anyone of the Eagles stem from California.

Springsteen could watch and put things into words - a writer more not need to do does.

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Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: westen44 on February 09, 2023, 10:31:43 AM
Try being a NJ native that despises not only the vast majority of his music, but his phoney-baloney "common man" persona as well.

I can't imagine that.  It's bad enough, though, to watch and see Springsteen representing all of America or at least trying to. 
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: westen44 on February 09, 2023, 10:35:16 AM
OMG, John Fogerty didn't come from the rural South either and his accent is an invention of his. Nor did almost anyone of the Eagles stem from California.

Springsteen could watch and put things into words - a writer more not need to do does.

(https://media.tenor.com/eO-C5L1ZkOoAAAAC/yoda-star-wars.gif)

I read somewhere that Duck Dunn once told John Fogerty that there weren't any alligators in LA.  I don't know the exact context, but the point, of course, was that Fogerty's swamp rock was fake.  I doubt if the comment, however, was made in a genuinely critical way.  Like I said, I really don't know the context. 
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: Dave W on February 09, 2023, 11:38:52 AM
Try being a NJ native that despises not only the vast majority of his music, but his phoney-baloney "common man" persona as well.

Try being from the Twin Cities and disliking Prince.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 09, 2023, 11:50:31 AM
Westheimer!

(https://media.tenor.com/7LW7J4onx5QAAAAC/prince-music.gif)
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 09, 2023, 12:54:19 PM
I read somewhere that Duck Dunn once told John Fogerty that there weren't any alligators in LA.  I don't know the exact context, but the point, of course, was that Fogerty's swamp rock was fake.  I doubt if the comment, however, was made in a genuinely critical way.  Like I said, I really don't know the context.

Duck Dunn's comment got me thinking.

https://faunafacts.com/alligators/are-there-alligators-in-california/


On the one hand:

Alligators and crocodiles are not native to California. There are no alligators and crocodiles in California except in zoos and in the homes of people who keep them illegally as pets. One might read an article about the California Crocodile, but this species is new, and there is no official word about it from the scientific community. In addition, this crocodile was not found in the US but Baja, California, in Mexico.

But on the other hand:

Yes, alligators can survive in California. The weather is ideal for the gators, and there are many bodies of fresh water in the state.

It snows in California, but it does not get as cold as it does in New York. On the south side of the state, snowfall happens rarely. If it does snow, the amount of snowfall is negligible.

So, how will the alligators survive? For one, there are more than 3,000 lakes and reservoirs in the state. Below are the biggest ones:

Mono Lake
Goose Lake
Honey Lake
Lake Tahoe
Salton Sea

All these lakes are teeming with wildlife, and there is no reason for a crocodile or alligator not to survive. In addition, there is plentiful food in the state. In addition to this, there are 100 rivers in the state. What this means is that alligators have plenty of options where to build a home in the state.


You would think that a similar sized mammal carnivore would have by now certainly made its way to the West Coast. Even the gators have made it to Texas. So why not warm Southern California? I mean they can't be all Confederates and/or white supremacists, can they?!  :mrgreen:

(https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349962504/figure/fig7/AS:999991208316931@1615427891700/Piebald-top-and-leucistic-bottom-Alligator-mississippiensis-hatched-at-a-Florida.png)


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PS: This thread is a good one. From Chinese balloons to rebel reptiles via WW I helmets and panning Springsteen, CCR + Prince along the way, with sufficient mandatory Deep Purple/Ritchie name checks. Yet we started with weather observation and are now again musing about Californian climate! It all makes sense in some twisted way. Glorious.


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I think we've lost them, Comrade Captain, the insidious Americans have reverted to coded language!
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: lowend1 on February 09, 2023, 02:18:12 PM
Try being from the Twin Cities and disliking Prince.

I hear ya, Dave, but outside MN, Prince's name is probably not immediately associated with the state. What's worse is that I'm in Northern NJ - even the successful bands and artists that came from this area are somehow associated with the terminal hipness of Asbury Park by default. The better "shore bands" these days would rather book a UK tour than drive 90 minutes north for a couple gigs.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: Dave W on February 09, 2023, 10:00:52 PM
Westheimer!

(https://media.tenor.com/7LW7J4onx5QAAAAC/prince-music.gif)

Yes, that's the Purple Runt. Or, as a local longtime gossip columnist used to call him, Symbolina.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: Dave W on February 09, 2023, 10:17:44 PM
I hear ya, Dave, but outside MN, Prince's name is probably not immediately associated with the state. What's worse is that I'm in Northern NJ - even the successful bands and artists that came from this area are somehow associated with the terminal hipness of Asbury Park by default. The better "shore bands" these days would rather book a UK tour than drive 90 minutes north for a couple gigs.

That's too bad.

I'm pretty sure Prince is widely associated with this area. People came from all over the world to see Paisley Park from the outside. They still do. I still don't understand why.

After he died, two couples I know from the local music scene started going to every local Prince tribute and memorial and posting pics of themselves on FB. I had known all of them for two decades or more and they had never, ever mentioned liking Prince. But now suddenly it was hip.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 10, 2023, 07:23:03 AM
"I'm pretty sure Prince is widely associated with this area."

He is. Since the 80ies, any review of a Prince gig or album in German media without reference to Minneapolis or Paisley Park is unthinkable.

As a guitarist, multi-instrumentalist, versatile and prolific songwriter, lyricist, vocal stylist, live performer and fashion icon he was pretty much the full package. Like the adjective consummate was invented for him. A black David Bowie.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: gearHed289 on February 10, 2023, 07:54:15 AM
As a guitarist, multi-instrumentalist, versatile and prolific songwriter, lyricist, vocal stylist, live performer and fashion icon he was pretty much the full package.

I agree with all of this, but I'm still not what you would call a fan. I don't dislike him, but I never once considered buying a Prince album.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 10, 2023, 09:17:07 AM
My first exposure to him was via Little Red Corvette airplay in the early 80ies while I was in Florida. That song reminded me of T. Rex (there is something in Prince's mannered singing that is very Marc Bolan) and I immediately dug it.

I'm not a fan either, more an inquisitive observer.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: TBird1958 on February 10, 2023, 09:26:16 AM


 I loathe Bruce Springsteen.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 10, 2023, 09:49:53 AM
I hate to tell you Mark, but you wouldn't have looked right as a member of the E-Street Band either! :mrgreen:

I'm catholic, not just Catholic - I can listen to the New York Dolls one minute and Springsteen the next. They both had iconic moments.

Springsteen has become a commodity, yes, BUT there was also a time when he was unafraid to start his first gig on UK soil at the prestigious Hammersmith Odeon LIKE THIS, defying the expectation of the audience that he would treat them to a Born To Run-wall of sound. That was brave. And musical. Boiling a song down to its core.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O3MO2y30fU
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: patman on February 10, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
I gotta admit I grew up in a working-class neighborhood in Cincinnati...and sometimes Springsteen's lyrics hit real close to home.  Sometimes too close.

I thought (still think) "Born to Run" is one of the best-crafted albums of all time.

Some of the others not so much...I only own a few of his albums.

My 2 cents
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: Pilgrim on February 10, 2023, 11:44:37 AM
My view of Springsteen is more favorable.  Long ago, I observed that he can't sing - but neither can Dylan.  Both have written some music which I like, and both have written songs which have become iconic in the US.  I'll listen to him and enjoy it.

It's OK, we all like some stuff that others here don't.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: the mojo hobo on February 21, 2023, 07:52:50 AM
Duck Dunn's comment got me thinking.

Alligators and crocodiles are not native to California. There are no alligators and crocodiles in California except in zoos and in the homes of people who keep them illegally as pets. One might read an article about the California Crocodile, but this species is new, and there is no official word about it from the scientific community. In addition, this crocodile was not found in the US but Baja, California, in Mexico.

But on the other hand:

Yes, alligators can survive in California. The weather is ideal for the gators, and there are many bodies of fresh water in the state.

It snows in California, but it does not get as cold as it does in New York. On the south side of the state, snowfall happens rarely. If it does snow, the amount of snowfall is negligible.

So, how will the alligators survive? For one, there are more than 3,000 lakes and reservoirs in the state. Below are the biggest ones:

Mono Lake
Goose Lake
Honey Lake
Lake Tahoe
Salton Sea

All these lakes are teeming with wildlife, and there is no reason for a crocodile or alligator not to survive. In addition, there is plentiful food in the state. In addition to this, there are 100 rivers in the state. What this means is that alligators have plenty of options where to build a home in the state.


You would think that a similar sized mammal carnivore would have by now certainly made its way to the West Coast. Even the gators have made it to Texas. So why not warm Southern California? I mean they can't be all Confederates and/or white supremacists, can they?!  :mrgreen:

They would have to be introduced. To spread naturally they would have to cross a vast desert and huge mountian range. They wouldn't get halfway across Texas.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 21, 2023, 09:52:47 AM
But the Rebels are already up North!

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/7cc09243fbd584e3cb881c4ad1a7d972660c1c8f/80_0_1200_720/master/1200.jpg?width=620&quality=45&dpr=2&s=none)


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/20/alligator-brooklyn-prospect-park-lake-new-york

Poor critter, hope he/she recuperates (you can tell by his/her emaciated tail that he/she found it too cold to hunt for food). They could have at least driven him/her down South before releasing him/her.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: slinkp on February 21, 2023, 04:22:29 PM
Prospect Park is a half mile from my apartment!
It's idiotic people thinking gators make good "pets" and then illegally dumping them. Poor critter.

I can't help wondering what would happen if the gator had managed to sneak up on our other recent visitor - at least this one is here voluntarily:
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/bald-eagle-takes-perch-prospect-park
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 21, 2023, 07:00:02 PM
"Prospect Park is a half mile from my apartment!"

You never told us you live by the swamp. What else?
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: slinkp on February 21, 2023, 08:40:03 PM
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You never told us you live by the swamp. What else?

The Brooklyn Museum and the Brooklyn Botanic Garden are even closer, and both well worth a visit, even for presumably highly cultured German folks.
(https://media.timeout.com/images/105770132/750/422/image.jpg)
(https://media.timeout.com/images/105672406/750/422/image.jpg)

No gators, though. And no bass shops in the neighborhood either except (ugh) G***ar center.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 22, 2023, 02:30:28 AM
The "highly cultured" Kraut loved Brooklyn when he lived there for four months in 1988 in the Park Slope area (an apartment in a Brownstone in a largely Hispanic neighborhood, no air conditioning, but high ceilings and much more spacious than anything you could have gotten in Manhattan - I forgot the exact street!). I much preferred it to Manhattan where I had lived for two or three weeks before moving voluntarily to Brooklyn (my firm was paying the apartment). So the Prospect Park is no stranger - I was there often. Eating clam chowder on Ocean Ave and the daily view of the Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower Complex when taking the subway to or from Manhattan to our office at 9 West 57 St (that Solow Building with the elegatly sloped facade)

(https://images1.loopnet.com/i2/i6lcfaW-eHTpPlBUaVZvUwM5y57z4WLCpFbqAOyNLbk/110/9-W-57th-St-New-York-NY-Primary-Photo-1-Large.jpg)

are etched in my memory - also the Bensonhurst killing of that black youth in 1989 when I had another stint in NYC (I've only learned now that the Mafia incited it). And the Central Park Five/Exonerated Five incident - the City had a really racially charged atmosphere back then. (That Netflix series When They See Us about it was great.)

What happened to that music store on Kings Highway in that nice Hasidic/Chassidic neighborhood? That tempted me with a gorgeous checker binding black Ric back then (with a not very well set up neck), but a Kubicki Factor (the long scale version) from 48th Street in Manhattan won out in the end. I still have it! It became my mainstay bass for a decade or so.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: BTL on February 22, 2023, 04:07:35 PM
I hate to tell you Mark, but you wouldn't have looked right as a member of the E-Street Band either! :mrgreen:

I'm catholic, not just Catholic - I can listen to the New York Dolls one minute and Springsteen the next. They both had iconic moments.

Springsteen has become a commodity, yes, BUT there was also a time when he was unafraid to start his first gig on UK soil at the prestigious Hammersmith Odeon LIKE THIS, defying the expectation of the audience that he would treat them to a Born To Run-wall of sound. That was brave. And musical. Boiling a song down to its core.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O3MO2y30fU

Thank you for posting this...my college roommate was a loyal Springteen fan, so I know most of his early catalog by osmosis. I regret never having seen him live.
Title: Re: On the subject of weather ...
Post by: uwe on February 22, 2023, 05:32:05 PM
That was a cracker of a brave stripped down arrangement for the intro song on your first gig in London. Kudos to him, he did have balls. London audiences were notorious for being cool in reception and jaded, especially with US acts - this could have gone wrong badly.