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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: uwe on November 28, 2009, 04:58:46 PM
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I was in a music store today and the owner told me this, I'm passing it on without any warranties as regards truth content, but it might interest some of you:
- Gibson is broke. 200 million company value, 300 million debt.
- This has been mentioned here before: Peavey was interested in buying and is financially sound, but would not pay what Henry J. and probably the banks behind him demanded.
- Supposedly things turned bad when Henry J. had a messy divorce which ended with him having to give Epiphone to his ex-wife.
- Gibson has sold the name "Gibson" to a third party in an effort to generate cash already some years ago and now has to pay crippling license fees for anything it brings out under that name.
- Epi defaulted on the payment to Chinese producers last year and still hasn't paid.
Me? I'm waiting for that Custom Shop T-40 reissue!
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That's a lot of craziness in one post, Uwe. Is your firm part of a hostile takeover? :mrgreen:
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You mean I'm preparing to be a Henry J. successor? You know what that would do to chrome and nickel hardware, right?
You're probably right, maybe it's all bullshit. I sure hope so. I've never been a Henry J. foe - the guy looks like a nerd and probably is one - as a brand he has returned Gibson in the pantheon of great guitar makers through hard work and endurance. But from my professional practice I have already seen too many companies and financial institutions that looked great on paper and fell apart once you probed and poked behind the outer sheen.
One other thing the storeowner said was that Gibson's push for less dealers selling more had backfired. "You can do that with an elitist brand like Gibson to create desirability, but not with a budget product like Epi, if people don't find an Epi in one shop, they won't look in another one, but buy the Ibanez hanging on the wall instead", he said.
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WOW! I'm stunned. I need to talk to that ex-wife. Don't let Epi go into the dumps again...
Still, what we like to think is the best sounding bass around is not only expensive, but fragile to a fault. I may need to talk to Rob about that BaCH Fenderbird. :o
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I've heard the part about the ex-wife getting Epiphone, but Epi is still wholly owned by Gibson so AFAIK that's completely false. Never heard a thing about a divorce anyway.
It's possible that Gibson isn't in good shape. Moody's recently downgraded them. I don't believe there's been any default or things would be worse than this:
October 29, 2009 Source (http://www.iddmagazine.com/news/-199320-1.html)
Moody's Downgrades Gibson, Warns of Further Downgrade
Moody's downgraded Gibson Guitar Corp.'s corporate family rating to B3 from B2 largely due to Moody's expectation of weaker than expected 2009 operating performance versus 2008.
The ratings are on review for possible further downgrade.
The one notch downgrade in the corporate family rating to B3 from B2 reflects the company's expected diminishing operating performance in 2009 versus 2008 and Moody's view that operating performance will likely continue to be pressured for the near term. The downgrade also reflects Moody's concern over Gibson's continuing delay in issuing its 2008 audited financial statements and the risks associated with the company's corporate governance structure.
"The review for downgrade reflects Moody's concern over Gibson's liquidity position as the company no longer has access to its revolving credit facility because of the delay in issuing its financial statements by the waiver deadline" said Moody's.
The review for downgrade also reflects Moody's concern about the company's ability to comply with financial covenants over the next few quarters as the covenants contractually adjust.
Moody's review will focus on the company's liquidity position, including the cushion for covenant compliance and operating cash flow.
Headquartered in Nashville, Tenn., Gibson manufactures and markets acoustic and electric guitars under the Gibson and Epiphone brand names. Revenues for the twelve months ended June 28, 2009 were approximately $300 million.
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"One other thing the storeowner said was that Gibson's push for less dealers selling more had backfired."
A dealer I knew, closed his store, partialy because Gibson was letting too many stores sell their guitars. Many of the Best Buys are selling Gibson, Fenders & Epiphones.
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They're delaying their audited financial statements? THAT concerns me more than anything I've heard from the store owner. Once the auditors flinch giving the audit, you're in reall bad shape, ouch.
Now I have nightmares of Fender buying Gibson!!!
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YES!, now i can have that eb jazz i always wanted. ;D
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For a limited time only! On this special TV offer....You can have the neck plate personalized on your new Les Paul Custom!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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The recent confiscation of exotic woods can't help Gibson's position economically, that's for sure, even if the charge is proven false. Gibson just doesn't need that publicity.
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They're delaying their audited financial statements? THAT concerns me more than anything I've heard from the store owner. Once the auditors flinch giving the audit, you're in reall bad shape, ouch.
Now I have nightmares of Fender buying Gibson!!!
Yep, the delay of the financial statements is a big red flag. Along with the loss of revolving credit. I don't believe the other rumors (except that Peavey might be interested) but Moody's evaluation is something you can't take lightly.
Fender has bought a number of troubled companies, but they may not be in a position to in this economy, especially one this big. Unless Korg ups its stake in Fender.
OTOH if there's a real problem and creditors wind up taking control, anything could happen. Can you see Gibson becoming part of a Chinese or Indian conglomerate? :o
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FENSON... :mrgreen:
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FENSON... :mrgreen:
Or Gender.
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Even if Fender, Peavey or Ibanez bought Gibson, that wouldn't be the end of the world for me, I was joking. I didn't think that the Norlin era only produced crap either and Norlin had absolutely no idea of running a guitar company. And it is my impression that Fender runs its brands responsibly.
Fender buying Gibson should have the anti-trust people perk up though ... :mrgreen:
OTOH, they could finally credibly and legally produce the Fenderbird!
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"OTOH, they could finally credibly and legally produce the Fenderbird!" If only !...................................geeze I wonder how much that would cost :-\
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Most of this is apparently on the money - I first heard rumblings during the summer. There was actually a posting on Monster for the president's position awhile back. I don't know Henry's personal situation, but the big picture looks like a microcosm of what is going on in many industries - corporations that simply went off in all the wrong directions, and apparently have little or no common sense at the top of the food chain. If there wasn't (with apologies in advance to our overseas contingent) a nefarious foreign element in this, I would welcome a housecleaning (read reorganization). My hope is that Henry's situation will force him to sell on Peavey's terms - I trust them more than Fender at this point (and that is not exactly a ringing endorsement either).
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Fender buying Gibson should have the anti-trust people perk up though ... :mrgreen:
OTOH, they could finally credibly and legally produce the Fenderbird!
Maybe, maybe not. Joining two famous brands might raise a few eyebrows, but I doubt the two companies combined are a majority of US guitar sales or even US guitar production.
And I don't think a foreign firm buying an American icon causes a stir any more. Although the possibility makes me think of this t-shirt from Killer Vintage's Hazard Ware shop: http://hazardware.com/?page_id=3&category=3&product_id=9 ;D
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You mean Warwick should put a bid in? :mrgreen:
"Gibsön - Vorsprung durch Technik!"
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Although the possibility makes me think of this t-shirt from Killer Vintage's Hazard Ware shop: http://hazardware.com/?page_id=3&category=3&product_id=9 ;D
I'm actually impressed by the Japanese on the left side of the shirt, but it's wrong - it says "I like Les Paul's guitar." It should read something more like "???????????" - if they're going to make a racist t-shirt, then I'm going to correct their Japanese! 8)
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I think some aggressive German management would do Gibson well.............. ;)
(Some) pride of craftsmanship would do wonders for Gibson, that has to come from the top.
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I'm actually impressed by the Japanese on the left side of the shirt, but it's wrong - it says "I like Les Paul's guitar." It should read something more like "???????????" - if they're going to make a racist t-shirt, then I'm going to correct their Japanese! 8)
The folks at Killer Vintage have never been accused of being politically correct.
Have you seen their Axis Power Trio and Ozzy Oswald shirts?
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(http://hazardware.com/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/axis_lg.jpg)
Presently studying the Emperor... the last WW2 leader to die IIRC... best book on him IMO is undoubtedtly Herbert P Bix, "Hirohito and the Making of
Modern Japan"... many regard this as a definitive study, also a Pulitzer Prize winner...
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I'm more concerned about the prospect of guitars made of Chinese drywall, and wiring like this:
http://www.quick-tech-news.com/tag/phone :o
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(http://hazardware.com/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/axis_lg.jpg)
Damn that's good!!! Ha ha haaaa
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This is Hofners big chance. Afterall they have been kept alive by that one bass(don't get me wrong, they are world contenders and produce consistent quality products) which was in fact a Ho job on the original (Gibson) Electric bass. They should scoop Gibson up and finall we might see the EB-2 as a resonant hollow bodied bass once they work out that mudbucker by incorporating some of the later blade pickups which were superior to the staples.
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Also heard that U.S. Customs agents raided Gibson USA a week or two ago and confiscated their entire inventory of rosewood! Gibson is segregated into different companies each with their own resources and manufacturing. Epiphone and the Custom Shop were not raided.
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"Epiphone and the Custom Shop were not raided."
Figures, no real wood, much less protected one would be found in Epi's facilities. :mrgreen:
Besides, aren't Epi's production facilites all outside of the US? They probably don't store any wood in the US and hence within the enforcement realms of US authorities.
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"Epiphone and the Custom Shop were not raided."
Figures, no real wood, much less protected one would be found in Epi's facilities. :mrgreen:
Besides, aren't Epi's production facilites all outside of the US? They probably don't store any wood in the US and hence within the enforcement realms of US authorities.
Someone told me recently that certain Epis are built in the US and I've seen a couple of Pelham Blue Epi Thunderbirds which have some sort of Custom Shop sticker on the back, so perhaps Epi does have a facility here: a shack or something...
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Epiphone wasn't raided because there is no Epiphone. It's just a brand name Gibson uses for certain guitars, like Sears uses Kenmore.
"The Epiphone Company" is marketing fiction. There's no Epi custom shop, the few US Epis are made by Gibson's custom shop.
Gibson's custom shop does exist, of course, but it doesn't buy wood separately.
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You mean Warwick should put a bid in? :mrgreen:
"Gibsön - Vorsprung durch Technik!"
Excellent idea! They already have shared the same bridge (ABM? on LP Standard Bass).
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Someone told me recently that certain Epis are built in the US and I've seen a couple of Pelham Blue Epi Thunderbirds which have some sort of Custom Shop sticker on the back, so perhaps Epi does have a facility here: a shack or something...
My red Epi 'Bird had that sticker on it, that's a special chinese shack wherein the employees are allowed to keep their own internal organs, as opposed to the regular rank and file that 'donate" organs as a condition of being employed.
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I wonder if Wishbass will be putting in a bid. :-X
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Nike or Harley Davidson should - it be Henry's lifelong dream come true. Be careful what you wish for.
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Warwick buying Gibson would be pretty great! I love those bridges and their necks always feel great to me. Not so big on the active pickups that Warwick sticks into everything, but maybe they'll keep Gibson passive.
And hey, I'd buy a THUMBERBIRD!
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"And hey, I'd buy a THUMBERBIRD!"
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Wouldn't it be ironic if Ibanez bought Gibson? They could refile the 1970s lawsuit against themselves.
Or PRS. That would be funny. They could change the Les Paul to look like a PRS singlecut.
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"I'm dreaming of a white Thunderbird, just like the ones I used to know..."
Well, it's getting closer....
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Not good what I'm hearing. I was at a different shop today, one where the owner has so far held all the rumors surrounding Gibson to be "sour grape gossip from dealers disappointed with Gibson's lack of support in recent times". He looked concerned this time (he sells a lot of Custom Shop models) and said:
1. He's heard from a Gibson source that Gibson will not have a booth at Winter NAMM :o :o :o (only at Summer NAMM and the Frankfurt Fair) and was genuinely shocked about that. A press statement regarding this and explaining it as a cost cutting measure is supposed to be imminent.
2. Chinese producers, Schaller (for hardware) and German wood wholesale companies (apparently, the majority of wood used by Epi has been bought from German wood wholesale companies for years, even the stuff used in Asia) have all stopped making deliveries to Epi for unpaid bills. (He laughed when I said that Epi has perhaps been less than honest about wood species in the past and said: "They claim their Les Pauls to be mahogany, fact is the last mahogany Epi LP I saw new from the factory was 12 years ago!")
3. Apparently, the core business - Gibson and Gibson Custom Shop - is sound and making money, but all the other brands aren't. A typical corporate scenario where you buy loss-making companies cheap in hope of turning them profitable and then marvel years or even decades later that they are still making losses. (See GM's Saab investment which never since the acquisiton decades ago earned one cent for the group.)
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If Gibson dies, nobody will cry.
They have done more to build resentment than loyal followers with their stupid antics (guitar hero comes to mind) & dealer policies.
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If that imminent press release actually happens, then we'll know something is up. Summer NAMM is nothing, the winter show is the big deal.
I'm a little leery of the other claims since Epi isn't really operated as a separate company, it's not that he's wrong about there being serious trouble but I don't think he has any way of knowing what's profitable and what's not.
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Well, if it all goes south, it's time to start buying up the good ones before they become items at "Southerby's..."
"Lot 666... here we have a wonderfully futuristic 20/20 bass guitar from a once pre-emminent guitar manufacturer... shall we start the bidding at... hmm... $25,000...? (add smarmy auctioneer grin here) :sad: :sad: :sad:
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If I refinish my 20/20 black, do you think it will be worth more? :puke:
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See my post of the review basses...
What I heard is this.
Like Uwe said in his first post, Gibson is down for 200 million dollar or something. Banks tried to sell it to Hartley Peavey, but they asked too much, so no deal.
Fender is also down with almost the same amount of money, so they won't buy Gibson.
I believe Lakland is also for sale.
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Ibanez, ESP or Yamaha to the rescue!!!
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BMW pulled Rolls Royce out of a hole...
Any German bidders (led by a consortium of German Lawyers...? ;))
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If I refinish my 20/20 black, do you think it will be worth more? :puke:
Maybe I should have left my '73 Ripper in the period Smurf Blue brush-on paint. :-\
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The juries out on that idea... ;D
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See my post of the review basses...
What I heard is this.
Like Uwe said in his first post, Gibson is down for 200 million dollar or something. Banks tried to sell it to Hartley Peavey, but they asked too much, so no deal.
Fender is also down with almost the same amount of money, so they won't buy Gibson.
I believe Lakland is also for sale.
The only way the banks could offer Gibson for sale is if they had actually taken possession. They haven't.... yet.
Fender's financial info isn't public, their debt position is a rumor. I do agree that they probably don't have the resources to buy Gibson after buying Kaman.
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Look on the bright side: if all those old parts could show up on ebay 25 years after they pulled out of Kalamazoo because someone bought an abandoned storage unit, imagine the fun we will all have if they go tits up now! Sure, we will have to wait until 2035, and ebay will probably have worse problems. But I can wait for a semi-finished SGZ bass to come up. Maybe a Nikki Sixx bass with no hardware! Mmmm...
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But I can wait for a semi-finished SGZ bass to come up.
Yea, I'm in for that.
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i really want an SGZ too. 8)
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What's an SGZ? Does it come in a lefty?
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this is an SGZ.late 90's early 00's
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x120/yrofrat/GIBSONSG-Z.jpg)
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Only those blessed with NOT owning an SG-Z can clamor for one. Owning one is a reality bite. Those basses - I own two - sound limp and were deleted quickly for a reason. An SG-Z compares to an SG-RI like a piece of wonder bread compares to a prime grade steak for nutrition value.
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Those basses - I own two
Why? Were they different colors? ;D
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i just can't get into short scale. the SGZ seems to have all the stuff i would want (34" scale & a TB pup in the middle)why are they "limp"?
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I guess any SG bass without a neck mudbucker must sound limp.
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Wouldn't it be enough just throwing in a coupple of TB+ pickups to cure the problem? or a mudabuka maybe?
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I guess any SG bass without a neck mudbucker must sound limp.
The SG Bass (EB3) that Gibson makes today has a Thunderbrid pickup lurking under the mudbucker casing.
I've heard very enthousiastic stories about these.
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Only those blessed with NOT owning an SG-Z can clamor for one. Owning one is a reality bite. Those basses - I own two - sound limp and were deleted quickly for a reason. An SG-Z compares to an SG-RI like a piece of wonder bread compares to a prime grade steak for nutrition value.
Uwe, if it is so bad owning an SG-Z you can send one to me, I like both bread and steak:)
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The pickups had no low end and not much in the way of highs either. And they were weak.
They were not TB Plus, although they looked similar.
IIRC Uwe modified one of his with something better.
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IIRC Uwe modified one of his with something better.
IIRC it was a Mudbucker at the neck...
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Ok, ok, you caught me, you ghastly posse! I herewith admit to having bought the second SG-Z, the cherry one, after the first one which was ebony for (clenches teeth ...) the ... variance ... in ... fin. But I felt guilty about it! Now get your own life!!!
The SG-Z bass has both pups farther to the bridge than any other Gibson bass known to man. Farther back than an LPB. Add to that how the pups are "Z-Pick Ups", not TB Plus pups and you have an explanation for the limp, deballed sound which is neither here nor there. Imagine a Jazz Bass with the forward pup dialed down halfway and without any maple neck snap or bolt-on attack. One of my SG-Zs now features a mudbucker in neck position (there is plenty room) and while it now has ample lows, the lows are mushier than on any shortscale archaic EB from the sixties. It has to do with the neck I think which is way too slim. People gripe about fat necks, well, most girls here do, but I think a fat neck has as much or perhaps even more influence on the good sound of a bass as/than a fat body does.
So is a modern-sounding long scale SG bass with balls an impossibility then? No, I have one, courtesy of Herr Carlston's compulsive buying urge (and then not being around to play the darn thing as he criss-crosses the US of A). George bequeathed me a one off long-scale SG bass (Gibson product, but not Custom Shop) and that does the trick. But it varies from the SG-Z as follows (and very considerably):
- TB-Plus pups,
- neck pup closer to the neck,
- fat LPB-sized neck,
- fat SG body, way fatter than any seventies maple neck SG, let's not even speak of the SG-Z body which has slim sixties dimensions,
- three point bridge (as opposed to the Schaller roller bridge of the SG-Z).
But the real reason is of course the one-off model's chrome hardware as opposed to the drab black hardware look of the SG-Z. Hardware finish influences sound, even Dave says so.
Uwe
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Going way back about 40 years, when dinosuars roamed the earth and I was a senoir in high school, I had a customized EBO with a recut body and the pickup moved way back toward the bridge. The pickup relocation gave it a great growly Jack Bruce kind of sound. I also had an EPI solid body at the same time, which was pretty much the same bass with the pickup mounted in the stock position, right up at the neck joint, so I had a daily side by side comparison going on for a couple of years.
Having the pickup mounted back toward the bridge ,IMO , was a tremendous improvement. I could still get plenty of bottom, not as much as the Epi, but the Epi was a bit too bottomy. The growl the EBO had was cool and it also provided a bit more volume because I was picking right on top of the pickup.
Rick
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Ok, ok, you caught me, you ghastly posse! I herewith admit to having bought the second SG-Z, the cherry one, after the first one which was ebony for (clenches teeth ...) the ... variance ... in ... fin. But I felt guilty about it! Now get your own life!!
You're crackin me up man! LOL!
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"But the real reason is of course the one-off model's chrome hardware as opposed to the drab black hardware look of the SG-Z. Hardware finish influences sound"
I'll be zinging you with this MANY TIMES Herr Moderator ;D
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Ok, ok, you caught me, you ghastly posse! I herewith admit to having bought the second SG-Z, the cherry one, after the first one which was ebony for (clenches teeth ...) the ... variance ... in ... fin. But I felt guilty about it! Now get your own life!!!
The emperor has no clothes!
But I'm curious Uwe - what's worse sounding, the SG-Z or the V-Bass?
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Uwe, i know that bass you're typing about. the red one right? i love the way that bass looks.
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I thought the SG-Zs were beautiful. They just didn't sound right to me. I had tried two of them in stores, then I was able to borrow one for a couple of weeks. So I was able to give it a fair trial. It was as bad as the store models.
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I love the way they look as well, but the reviews from guys here and elsewhere have always kept me from trying to grab one. If new pickups would do the trick I might be tempted though, since I'd want to chrome it out anyway... :mrgreen:
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This is why I want Gibson to go out of business, or get bought by some wretched crap outfit. There will the liquidation and upheaval, and just like when CBS bailed on Fender, a whole bunch of dumpster diving for rare parts and semi-finished parts. In the future, after Gibson has morphed into something like the Baldwin crap they sell at Target, fine people will put up a semi-finished SGZ on ebay. It will have no pups, or finish or whatever else. I will play Doc Bass for a couple of weeks/months and create my own SGZ, reimagined with proper home-brew electronics, and no lightning bolt douche-bag inlays. Rock on, Gibson. Right into the sunset!
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People gripe about fat necks, well, most girls here do, but I think a fat neck has as much or perhaps even more influence on the good sound of a bass as/than a fat body does.
Couldn't agree more. Fat (bottom) necks me likey!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D99n9f3vU4
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When I first got my Ripper I took it to the shop for a setup and the guy there laughed himself silly over the fat neck on it. He thought it the coolest thing he'd ever seen.
Rippers are also fat bottomed girls! :thumbsup:
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This is why I want Gibson to go out of business, or get bought by some wretched crap outfit. There will the liquidation and upheaval, and just like when CBS bailed on Fender, a whole bunch of dumpster diving for rare parts and semi-finished parts. In the future, after Gibson has morphed into something like the Baldwin crap they sell at Target, fine people will put up a semi-finished SGZ on ebay. It will have no pups, or finish or whatever else. I will play Doc Bass for a couple of weeks/months and create my own SGZ, reimagined with proper home-brew electronics, and no lightning bolt douche-bag inlays. Rock on, Gibson. Right into the sunset!
I take it that Henry J. isn't invited to your Christmas dinner, then.
Unless you're having turkey.
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I'll give you an out, Uwe...
You obviously wanted the cherry fin as she would fit into Ze Kollection as a much better representation of the species and you always planned to give the Ebony lady "Six Million Dollar Luthier" treatment, to show the boffins at the Custom Shop the error of their ways...
(you can thank me later... ;D)
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to show the boffins at the Custom Shop the error of their ways...
boffin, that's a new one on me. Had to look up zimmer frame a few weeks ago too.
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Good old colloquial English... ;D
Most Americans will have no idea what B*LL*CKS means, either, but there is reputedly an expat Brit driving around California with that as a car reg number... that and W*NK*R... :o :o :o :o :o
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Some don't even give a monkey's what English terms they know! ;D
And Ken, I got a very nice package in the post today. I was right chuffed (gotta be careful where I use that term, as well - I can't remember what local town it was but in one area I was in up North that didn't just mean happy)! Anyway, thank you very much. My kids will be getting a nice surprise tonight. Yeah, I'll have to share...
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this is an SGZ.late 90's early 00's
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x120/yrofrat/GIBSONSG-Z.jpg)
How 'bout an SGV? SG horns with V wings?? 8)
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How 'bout an SGV? SG horns with V wings?? 8)
Like that awful Zack Wylde Epiphone thing?
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Yup, I think that is an acquired taste too. Very acquired.
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Acquired taste is a very gently description for an SGV.
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boffin, that's a new one on me. Had to look up zimmer frame a few weeks ago too.
Aren't Boffins related to the Bagginses?
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My kids will be getting a nice surprise tonight. Yeah, I'll have to share...
You and the kids are more than welcome... let me know if you need "emergency" supplies - hope they were as good as the memory was... I owe your kindness much more than that little treat... ;)
Oh yeah, I presume you meant something like "chuff-pipe..."
I know a UK someone that went into a busy Ft Lauderdale bar and asked for some change for the "fag machine..." :o :o :o
Apparently, you could have heard a pin drop...
Denis... the Boffinses always waxed their feet... :mrgreen:
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Aren't Boffins related to the Bagginses?
Nope, Proudfeet.
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Back in the 70's my folks had some friends from the UK stay with us, we all went out one evening and the male friend (can't remember his name) while sitting at the bar said "man I could go for a fag" :o :o :o :o I only knew what he was talking about as I had read Ian Hunters Diary of a R&R star ;D
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Are you sure he wasn't looking at you and said "Man I could go for a shag?"
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Being British, he wanted to shag a fag and then talk himself out of it! Those boarding school excesses wreak havoc on regular male sexual orientation, I tell you!
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They do put on a hell of a parade though.
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Always a bit awkward when a Dutch guy asks a British girl if she wants a shag.
(http://www.paurolhom.be/Shag%20prh%201.jpg)
It's tobacco...
And for some reason most tourists seem to think you get really high from this stuff.
Very funny when people from abroad start acting as if they're really stoned from a plain self rolled tobacco sigarette. ;D
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http://britishfood.about.com/od/eorecipes/r/faggots.htm
Gotta love the description... ;D
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I want my star cookies.
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http://britishfood.about.com/od/eorecipes/r/faggots.htm
Gotta love the description... ;D
You gotta love some of the British cooks as well...
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_02/nigellaDM1409_468x500.jpg)
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01158/portal-graphics-20_1158006a.jpg)
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Those boarding school excesses wreak havoc on regular male sexual orientation, I tell you!
Mark... MARK...? MARK...!
I think Uwe's "come-out..." ;D/ :o
Oh yes... and Nigella... she's married to some ridiculously wealthy advertising boss...
(http://www.celebchefs.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/nigella2.jpg)
no comment... ;)
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Nice muff(ins).
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Ain't seen nothin till you're down on a...... :P I'd have that for breakfast!
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I like cream cheese on muffins.
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... cream cheese and Marmite, please...
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Here, rolling a fag is generally frowned upon. We are mostly past the bad old days of inflicting violence upon persons of different sexual persuasions.
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(http://i49.tinypic.com/2uopf20.jpg)
Spotted Dick anyone? :mrgreen:
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Like the new avatar Hornise! "Evil, Evil Monkey"!
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(http://i49.tinypic.com/2uopf20.jpg)
In the new spirit of letting private enterprise fund all possible government functions, they'd make a great sponsor for military personal hygiene films.......
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Are you sure he wasn't looking at you and said "Man I could go for a shag?"
He was looking at someone else................................. I hope.
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Here, rolling a fag is generally frowned upon. We are mostly past the bad old days of inflicting violence upon persons of different sexual persuasions.
For a better understanding on the philosophical ethos of your average Antipodean...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA
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What? Your name's not Bruce? Mind if we call you Bruce?
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My Name is Bruce (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489235/)
Watched it last night.
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For a better understanding on the philosophical ethos of your average Antipodean...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA
I'd watch it but I can pretty much recite it from memory.
"Bruce here teaches logical positivism and is also in charge of the sheep dip."
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One of the most accurate portrayals of our culture ever re-created. :mrgreen:
Actuallt that skit smells a lot like someone had been watching Bazza Makenzie.
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It's the "Hollywood Bowl" trip I wanted here ("Wot's the rule...?" "NOOOOO POOFTAHS...!!!" - re the "fag" reference... ;D)
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They obviously had never visited Sydney at the right time of year before that skit was written ;)
Actually that skit smells a lot like someone had been watching Bazza Makenzie
http://aso.gov.au/titles/features/adventures-barry-mckenzie/clip2/ (http://aso.gov.au/titles/features/adventures-barry-mckenzie/clip2/)
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They obviously had never visited Sydney at the right time of year before that skit was written ;)
Actually that skit smells a lot like someone had been watching Bazza Makenzie
http://aso.gov.au/titles/features/adventures-barry-mckenzie/clip2/ (http://aso.gov.au/titles/features/adventures-barry-mckenzie/clip2/)
That clip says 1972, the Bruces sketch was from 1970.
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I like "They call Me Bruce" with Bruce Campbell.
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That clip says 1972, the Bruces sketch was from 1970.
Ah, but, that's just the film. The Barry McKenzie character came from a cartoon strip by Barry Humphries and Nick Garland which appeared in Private Eye in London from 1968. I still say I'm going to point Percy at the porcelain, or shake hands with the wife's best friend. Hardly anyone knows what I'm talking about.
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I've never heard those two but I do know you're talking about draining the main vein.
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Bruce Campbell rocks. He has a healthy sense of humor about his B- movie star status.
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On the money there Phil. :thumbsup:
Dont know about our American cousins but most British and Australians will be more familiar with Barry Humphries in his Dame Edna Everidge guise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qnKoj4YJbA
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Yes, Dame Edna has been well known here for years. I've never thought the character was funny.
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I didnt think the Dame Edna character would work anywhere else but UK and OZ. mostly due to the subtlety of the culture-centric humour.
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I can't say, since I really can't stand to listen. I do know that he's taken Dame Edna to Broadway more than once and is a popular guest on talk shows (in character) when he's here. So he does connect with his audience. Maybe he tailors his act to to the country.
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I always liked ze Däme and found her utterly credible. Lots of philosophical truths in what she says and a master of carefully calibrated venom.
"... the Australian equivalent of New Jersey ... and ... what could be more tragic than that?" :mrgreen: :) ;D
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Barry Humphries does another character called Sir Les Patterson.
Australian Cultural Attache to the Court of St James.
He is a parody of the old school stereotypical Australian politician.
"Mine is a sedentary job; I've always been a mover and a shaker and in this photograph I'm doing both."
(http://www.portrait.gov.au/exhibit/borland/images/patterson.jpg)
From a comedic point of view I prefer Sir Les.
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I like mine Flaming :gay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PK6QkZG_Y0
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Mark, I had a friend years ago (also a bass player) who was totally glam and totally gay, but not nelly at all. He and another friend would drive with me down to the Strip in Hollywood, and while my guitarist friend and I would be pointing out various girls and what we thought would be fun to do to/with them, Tony would join right in but it would be the guys he pointed out (always with the gaydar too, it was hilarious). One thing I loved about Tony was that he was so unapologetically gay and not self conscious about it at all. It was never for effect though. He was just one of the guys. You remind me of him in that way, which I mean as a total compliment.
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Hated it :gay:
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I can't remember why I first went looking for that Living Color clip, but that show was so funny!
I actually get a kick being a little over the top :gay: at work.......Nothin' like being the "delicate flower" that I am ;)