Author Topic: Phil Spector ...  (Read 1221 times)

uwe

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 21514
  • Enabler ...
    • View Profile
Phil Spector ...
« on: January 17, 2021, 11:22:20 AM »
He died in the jail hospital of Covid complications.

I know why he was there, but let's not write him out of pop history. I was never a fan of his wall of sound, but he invented it.







"For the Righteous Brothers' 1964 hit, You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin', he used four guitars, three pianos, three basses and an assortment of trumpets, trombones and saxophones before adding the vocals.

It was seen as a remarkable achievement given the basic three-track tape recorders which were available at the time."


« Last Edit: January 17, 2021, 12:31:25 PM by uwe »
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

Granny Gremlin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2942
    • View Profile
    • Granny Gremlin home page
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2021, 12:27:46 PM »
Robert Plant and Jimmy Page (drummer and bassist of Deep Purple, Jake!)

uwe

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 21514
  • Enabler ...
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2021, 12:43:13 PM »
When Joey - kudos for him admitting that he liked the Rollers in the heydays of Punk - let his influences be distinctly heard ...



Actually, the BCR overblown "everything but the kitchen sink" orchestral sound owed quite a bit to Spector, so the Bruddahs came kind of full circle. I've read that the sessions with Spector were less than happy though.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2021, 12:56:30 PM by uwe »
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

uwe

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 21514
  • Enabler ...
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2021, 12:49:03 PM »
That was another unexpected combination, people haven't made up their mind yet whether it was rubbish or a work of two geniuses.


« Last Edit: January 17, 2021, 08:45:25 PM by uwe »
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

Highlander

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12542
  • There Ken be only one...
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2021, 02:28:52 PM »
Mixed feelings... rip, regardless... :sad:
The random mind of a Silver Surfer...
If research was easy, it wouldn't need doing...
Staring at that event horizon is a dirty job, but someone has to do it; something's going to come back out of it one day...

Pilgrim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9987
    • View Profile
    • YouTube channel
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2021, 04:26:15 PM »
Even with mixed feelings, it's possible for someone with terrible personal failings to be a genius as an artist.  To me the "wall of sound" was an incredible  benefit to music. Some of his music is among the most memorable in popular music history. R.I.P.
"A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila."

Rob

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1817
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2021, 05:21:36 PM »
Even with mixed feelings, it's possible for someone with terrible personal failings to be a genius as an artist.  To me the "wall of sound" was an incredible  benefit to music. Some of his music is among the most memorable in popular music history. R.I.P.

Well said.

uwe

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 21514
  • Enabler ...
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2021, 08:42:01 PM »
I can't imagine ole Phil resting at all, much less in peace, he was a driven and haunted man all his life. But whether heaven or hell, hopefully there will be plenty of arrangement and production work for him to keep him busy.
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

Dave W

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 22259
  • Got time to breathe, got time for music
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2021, 10:42:19 PM »
I never liked the Wall of Sound. IMHO It was a detriment to music.

As for his character, I'll let Thumper speak for me.


Highlander

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12542
  • There Ken be only one...
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2021, 03:16:23 AM »
Well said, Sir... :mrgreen:
The random mind of a Silver Surfer...
If research was easy, it wouldn't need doing...
Staring at that event horizon is a dirty job, but someone has to do it; something's going to come back out of it one day...

Alanko

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1671
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2021, 04:02:45 AM »
Good riddance. One-trick-pony producer who thought it was acceptable to wave a gun at musicians to get the best out of them. Then murdered somebody.

The same people mourning his loss are those that complain about how modern pop music is derivative; churned out by artists with no talent as a disposable consumer product. Phil Spector contributed heavily to this situation, but he's the 'tortured genius' in the room apparently.

uwe

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 21514
  • Enabler ...
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2021, 05:30:53 AM »
I'm not sure that there would have been a Roy Wood's Wizzard, an ELO, a Bowie's Ziggy Stardust, an Alice Cooper's Welcome to my Nightmare, a Springsteen's Born to Run, a Meatloaf's Bat out of Hell or a Kiss' Destroyer without him. Perhaps not even a Beach Boys' Pet Sounds (Brian Wilson was a fan). Much less a Joe Meek in the UK (and how would we have found Blackmore then?!).

Now I'm not exactly a fan of these grand productions (though I do like both Bob Ezrin and Tony Visconti who are not exactly sparse producers), but the pop and rock world would be poorer without Spector's groundbreaking work.

Indeed, obituaries would be easier if he had restrained himself to producing vinyl records rather than adding criminal ones.
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

Rob

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1817
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2021, 05:35:28 AM »

Indeed, obituaries would be easier if he had restrained himself to producing vinyl records rather than adding criminal ones.
:rimshot:

Alanko

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1671
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2021, 08:08:58 AM »
Indeed, obituaries would be easier if he had restrained himself to producing vinyl records rather than adding criminal ones.

 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


uwe

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 21514
  • Enabler ...
    • View Profile
Re: Phil Spector ...
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2021, 10:07:21 AM »
Ah, yes, the subversive power of laughter ... streng verboten, nicht gut...

« Last Edit: January 18, 2021, 10:13:03 AM by uwe »
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...