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Title: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: mc2NY on July 06, 2012, 10:10:18 AM
I rarely like to slam bands of any style, figuring everyone has their own musical tastes. But after seeing and hearing Florence and The Machine's live concert in NYC on FUSE TV.....I was astounded at how horrible they were. The backing band was very mediocre at best, the material nothing great but the biggest annoyance was the horrid singer....a voice like nails on a blackboard and shit stage presence, prancing around like a beginner on her first week of high school dance gigs.

Just horrid. No wonder rap amd hip hop are selling so well, compared to rock/pop.

I've been to some live shows that may have not been the greatest but THIS was, by far, the worst live show by any band that I have seen on 30 years.I hope that the A&R marketing guy gets handed any award the band wins and not anyone in the actual band.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: Dave W on July 06, 2012, 11:44:18 AM
I saw them on Letterman a couple of months ago. Still trying to figure out the appeal. Then again, I'm still trying to figure out how Adele became an international star.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: gweimer on July 06, 2012, 02:57:40 PM
My son raved about TV on the Radio.  When I saw them on TV, they were awful.  There are way too many bands now that know how to work ProTools in their living room, but have no idea how to play live, if even play at all.

An old band that I loved, and sucked out loud, was Captain Beyond.  One of the biggest disappointments in bands I've seen.  Same can be said for Rush, when they opened for KISS.  They've gotten better, however.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: patman on July 06, 2012, 03:05:10 PM
I too saw Rush early on, and I realize what a bunch of hard work those guys must have done...
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Post by: nofi on July 06, 2012, 06:21:39 PM
i tend to agree with this here:

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SturgeonsLaw

even with this theory in place, it leaves way too many bands for one to like....or not. ;D
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: Basvarken on July 07, 2012, 04:43:32 AM
I'm still trying to figure out how Adele became an international star.

Really? Adele's an excellent songwriter. And she can actually sing. Her album 21 is a mainstay in our car.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: gweimer on July 07, 2012, 08:05:36 AM
I also really like Adele.

When Boston released their debut album, they were pretty much a studio band.  I recall hearing that their first tour was abysmal and that the band was as entertaining as statues.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: patman on July 07, 2012, 08:09:14 AM
I also liked Adele...
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: Dave W on July 07, 2012, 08:10:10 AM
Really? Adele's an excellent songwriter. And she can actually sing. Her album 21 is a mainstay in our car.


I've hardly heard her music, it wasn't a comment on the quality of her songwriting. As with Florence and the Machine, someone I had never heard of a few months ago is suddenly hyped as if everyone has heard of them. How did they get anointed? Maybe I need to pay closer attention to pop trends.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: TBird1958 on July 07, 2012, 10:13:10 AM


 Stiil the all time worst for me......

Led Zeppelin.

They were baked, boring. Undeniably great in the studio. Total $#!& live.

Ratt, not so much that they were bad, I saw them once opening for the Scorpions they were fine, second time they headlined with Poison opening, they were just horrible - left way early.

Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: ack1961 on July 07, 2012, 10:15:59 AM
When Boston released their debut album
...they almost single-handedly saved Rock 'n Roll from disco's mighty grip.
Not sure about your experiences during that time-frame, but in the mid-70's in NYC, we were being bludgeoned to death by disco...and me and my friends (who were always in a car going to the shore) were all too poor to own but a few 8-tracks; We were slaves to whatever was on the radio.  I always give props to Boston (a town I completely loathe) for helping grab the reins back.

Back on topic (kinda): the only concert I've ever walked out on was Crazy Horse back in the early 80's in Baltimore - and there was a traffic jam trying to get out of there early.  There isn't a single word to describe the dreadfulness that they brought on stage that night.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: patman on July 07, 2012, 10:55:18 AM
I played a night at Bogarts in Cinti around when Boston was breaking...I think ( if I remember right) they made $250 for playing Bogarts...they were either there the night before us or maybe the night after, I don't remember.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: gweimer on July 07, 2012, 01:02:28 PM
...they almost single-handedly saved Rock 'n Roll from disco's mighty grip.
Not sure about your experiences during that time-frame, but in the mid-70's in NYC, we were being bludgeoned to death by disco...and me and my friends (who were always in a car going to the shore) were all too poor to own but a few 8-tracks; We were slaves to whatever was on the radio.  I always give props to Boston (a town I completely loathe) for helping grab the reins back.

Back on topic (kinda): the only concert I've ever walked out on was Crazy Horse back in the early 80's in Baltimore - and there was a traffic jam trying to get out of there early.  There isn't a single word to describe the dreadfulness that they brought on stage that night.

The Boston record is still a classic.  What I was getting at was that the live version of the band was truly awful. I don't remember a single good review, and if I recall, they didn't even try to tour for a long time after that.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: ack1961 on July 07, 2012, 01:56:52 PM
The Boston record is still a classic.  What I was getting at was that the live version of the band was truly awful. I don't remember a single good review, and if I recall, they didn't even try to tour for a long time after that.

Oh yeah, no doubt about it.  They weren't good live back then, but we had a good time at their show ('79, I think) knowing that they were trying hard to stir things up a bit.  I remember hearing all the rumors about how Tom Scholz did most of the recording in his basement on homemade equip, etc.  Urban Myth stuff - most of which turned out to be true.  We saw them with The Cars - it's hard to look bad when you're playing along side The Cars - a truly terrible live band.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: Droombolus on July 08, 2012, 02:22:10 AM
My son raved about TV on the Radio.  When I saw them on TV, they were awful.

Bet you forgot to switch on the Radio !  :rimshot:

But on topic the most disappointing live bands I witnessed live were Bob Marley and The Wailers, Beck, Bogart & Appice & the Steve Miller Band ( Rock Love line-up ).

Marley had just sacked his lead guitarist and his replacement was all over the place taking the rest of the band minus the rhythm section with him in his misery.

BBA were all great musicians but the band just didn't gel and their repertoire sucked, Superstition and Jeff's Boogie excluded.

Miller was drunk on aquavit and had trouble standing up let alone playing and singing. He took his revenge when he toured The Joker album ( with Gerald Johnson  :thumbsup:) though.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: gweimer on July 08, 2012, 05:16:26 AM
And that reminds me of another band - UFO.  When I saw them, they were so wasted that Pete Way opened the show by playing the wrong opening chord for "Doctor, Doctor".  It was the first tour without Michael Schenker, and it really showed.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: mc2NY on July 08, 2012, 06:00:39 AM
Oh yeah, no doubt about it.  They weren't good live back then, but we had a good time at their show ('79, I think) knowing that they were trying hard to stir things up a bit.  I remember hearing all the rumors about how Tom Scholz did most of the recording in his basement on homemade equip, etc.  Urban Myth stuff - most of which turned out to be true.  We saw them with The Cars - it's hard to look bad when you're playing along side The Cars - a truly terrible live band.

Oh yeah...The Cars were never great live early on. A piece of Cars trivia....Elliott Easton went to college with me, a couple years ahead, in Rochester NY area. When he left to move to Boston and join cars, my future guitarist Dick Grammatico (brother of Lou Gramm) replaced Elliott in the local band he'd been in.

BTW....I'm another fan of Adele. Great voice and good writer. Saw her on TV on (I think) The Grammys after her vocal chord surgery and she was great. I think she won me over after she laughed and snot shot out of her nose and she actually made a joke of it in front of the industry. Seemed very down to earth and unmoved by all the fast success.

I remember seeing Television after Marquee Moon just came out and it's the only concert I can remember where the booing was almost louder than the band. I just can't remember if they actually sucked or it was such a bad pairing of acts (they opened for Peter Gabriel) that the audience just ate them alive.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: rahock on July 08, 2012, 11:10:34 AM

 Stiil the all time worst for me......

Led Zeppelin.

They were baked, boring. Undeniably great in the studio. Total $#!& live.

Ratt, not so much that they were bad, I saw them once opening for the Scorpions they were fine, second time they headlined with Poison opening, they were just horrible - left way early.

I couldn't agree more and a lot of people think I'm full of s@#t for saying it but I caught them twice and they just couldn't pull it off live :sad:
Their first two albums are absolute masterpieces in my book, but live, they couldn't compete with the local bands that opened for them.
Rick


Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: gweimer on July 08, 2012, 12:02:36 PM
While Ratt was pretty good when I saw them, their backstage area was the most repulsive display of a band at its worst. Among the really sad and desperate people hanging around were a mother and daughter.  The mother was proud (in the most disgusting display I've ever seen) to offer her young daughter to the band for the night.  I think they took her up on it.
I've said it before - I love music, but musicians are all too often despicable human beings.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: TBird1958 on July 08, 2012, 12:17:01 PM


 
While Ratt was pretty good when I saw them, their backstage area was the most repulsive display of a band at its worst. Among the really sad and desperate people hanging around were a mother and daughter.  The mother was proud (in the most disgusting display I've ever seen) to offer her young daughter to the band for the night.  I think they took her up on it.
I've said it before - I love music, but musicians are all too often despicable human beings.



 One name...........Robin Crosby.

Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: gweimer on July 08, 2012, 01:13:41 PM

 One name...........Robin Crosby.


Robin was so tall, that he was alone on the far side of the stage, and played with his knees bent and leaning back, just to make him look remotely similar in size to the rest of the band.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: Spiritbass on July 09, 2012, 06:41:20 AM
Bad English sucked. Repulsive waste of time. The ONLY show I have ever walked out on. Probably no one else is familiar with their opener that night, Shooting Star (local to Kansas City). Another waste...
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: nofi on July 09, 2012, 06:56:14 AM
i left after 3 songs by rush in '74. i think they were touring behind the fist album. might have had the original drummer john rutsy as well. anyway, the sucked. i really showed up to see the the support band the dictators.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: Dave W on July 09, 2012, 07:06:14 AM
i left after 3 songs by rush in '74. i think they were touring behind the fist album. might have had the original drummer john rutsy as well. anyway, the sucked. i really showed up to see the the support band the dictators.

That's an odd pairing. Not as odd as Hendrix opening for the Monkees, but close.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: Highlander on July 09, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
How about Alternative TV above the Police with both supporting Spirit (Rainbow Theatre, '78) :o
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: slinkp on July 09, 2012, 12:47:52 PM
I always wonder who comes up with opening acts. 

For example, I saw the Who (aka the Two) on their 2006(?) US tour, the Wire & Glass one; and the opener was ... I forget the name but it was the then-current project of Mike Patton, the ex-singer of Faith No More and Mr. Bungle.  A very talented guy whose music has never really grabbed me. I thought this particular gig was at least kind of interesting, but it was tailor-made to piss off aging Who fans who were just waiting impatiently for the first chord of "I Can't Explain".

At one point the lady behind me shouted at the stage "YOU SHOULD BE ARRESTED!" . ;D   They weren't that bad!

That was probably the least receptive audience I've been in since... maybe the Amnesty International tour in '86 in New Jersey.  People getting pumped up for Brian Adams started booing at Joni Mitchell???  That was just sad.  I wish they had shut up enough that I could hear her.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: gweimer on July 09, 2012, 01:07:11 PM
I saw the sad remnants of Big Brother open for a young Blue Oyster Cult.  It was different.

I saw Def Leppard, as openers, mop the floor with Billy Squier.

The best was seeing Kansas fill in for an opener, Queen (who were supposed to open for Mott The Hoople), unannounced when Brian May got hepatitis a couple days before the Chicago show.  I missed the very first song, but they were NOT well received.  By the third song, the audience had been won over.  Kansas was really great, right down to one of the guys announcing, "Hey, I didn't know I was supposed to be here, either!  If I knew you wanted Queen, I'd have worn glittered underwear."
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: Highlander on July 10, 2012, 02:52:34 PM
I remember seeing Def Leppard open for Sammy Hagar and someone else (can't remember who) - I quite enjoyed them but thought what a bunch of spotty oiks...

Also a band called Girl (with Phil Coleen before he joined DL) a few times, and a few times at the Marquee - they were pretty good...

I remember feeling pretty hacked off when Black Sabbath (original Ozzy era) cancelled a show with Van Halen as support and when it was re-arranged having to suffer with a band called Quartz who did an excruciating cover of Nantucket Sleighride...

Or how about Rick Wakeman playing an out-of-tune pub piano for an evening (not the first time - rather fond of London Pride he was) in my "local" for an old-folks night, doing "Roll Out The Barrel/We'll Meet Again type stuff - really doing the "you hum it, I'll play it" routine... ;D

The Who...? Only saw them the once but support was SAHB, Little Feat, Outlaws, Streetwalkers and Widowmaker (Ariel Bender and Bob Daisley)...

Favourite comment I've ever heard was at a Skynyrd gig in '77 with a US ex-pat (also talking about seeing the Allman Brothers at the Fillmore 8)) about Woodstock... "My lasting memory of Woodstock is the smell..." :o
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Post by: godofthunder on July 10, 2012, 05:33:53 PM
  I loved Widow makers first album still have to get it on cd.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: ack1961 on July 10, 2012, 05:35:41 PM
Speaking of weird pairings, I saw Burning Spear open a show for The J. Geils Band, who co-headlined the show with the Talking Heads outdoors at the Merriweather Post Pavilion ('82ish?). It seemed like Spear played for 8 hours - they were brutal on the nerves. The highlight/lowlight of the show was an encore number where Peter Wolf chased, caught and tried to stuff David Byrne in a road case.
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Post by: gweimer on July 10, 2012, 05:49:38 PM
  I loved Widow makers first album still have to get it on cd.

I was fortunate enough to see them live.  They were good.  I got to talk to Ariel Bender briefly after the show.  He didn't look so well that night - he'd put on a little weight, and had this huge black eye.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on July 11, 2012, 03:29:41 AM
I always wonder who comes up with opening acts. 

For example, I saw the Who (aka the Two) on their 2006(?) US tour, the Wire & Glass one; and the opener was ... I forget the name but it was the then-current project of Mike Patton, the ex-singer of Faith No More and Mr. Bungle.  A very talented guy whose music has never really grabbed me. I thought this particular gig was at least kind of interesting, but it was tailor-made to piss off aging Who fans who were just waiting impatiently for the first chord of "I Can't Explain".

At one point the lady behind me shouted at the stage "YOU SHOULD BE ARRESTED!" . ;D   They weren't that bad!

It was probably Fantomas; sounds too early for Tomahawk. Either would NOT be well recieved by most Who fans. I'm a huge fan of Mike Patton, but I think he needs guidance in the studio. He's like Zappa; there's way too much going on in his musical head sometimes.
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Post by: nofi on July 11, 2012, 05:39:01 AM
kool and the gang opening for van heflin on the  abridged current tour.

news of the weird. a friend of my wife was called to give a private pilates class to a "celebrity" at a downtown hotel.
turns out the celebrity is joe walsh and his wife! joe walsh?...pilates?...how things have changed. ;D
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Post by: gearHed289 on July 11, 2012, 08:51:29 AM
Odd pairings...

Rush
Foghat
the Tubes
Southside Johnny & the Asbury Jukes
Roadmaster

Comisky Park, '79

Southside didn't exactly get booed off the stage, it seemed more like the audience basically ignored them off the stage. LOL! Maybe there was some booing closer to the front, but the last thing I remember was the singer telling Chicago "F you!", dropping the mic and walking off stage. NEXT!  :P

BTW - everyone else was great.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: gweimer on July 11, 2012, 09:50:22 AM
The most surreal pairing I ever saw was SAHB and The Tubes on a Halloween night in Chicago.  It was first tour for The Tubes, so every song was like a mini-play.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: ack1961 on July 11, 2012, 10:34:48 AM
Odd pairings...

Rush
Foghat
the Tubes
Southside Johnny & the Asbury Jukes
Roadmaster

Comisky Park, '79

Southside didn't exactly get booed off the stage, it seemed more like the audience basically ignored them off the stage. LOL! Maybe there was some booing closer to the front, but the last thing I remember was the singer telling Chicago "F you!", dropping the mic and walking off stage. NEXT!  :P

BTW - everyone else was great.

They've got to have thick skin - I've witnessed them sucking to the point of being booed into submission in Asbury Park. 
Here's a free tip - try not to suck in the town from which you derive your band name.
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Post by: nofi on July 11, 2012, 01:22:42 PM
was that the white punks on tour? i saw that one. i saw the sahb around the same time but don't know where. this could solve a little mystery for me. a couple russians guys behind us said this was their first 'western rock concert'. :o
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Post by: gweimer on July 11, 2012, 01:48:34 PM
was that the white punks on tour? i saw that one. i saw the sahb around the same time but don't know where. this could solve a little mystery for me. a couple russians guys behind us said this was their first 'western rock concert'. :o

I don't know which tour it was, but it was in support of their first album.  White Punks was the song that hit, and Quay Lude was on the mic for that song.
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Post by: Barklessdog on July 11, 2012, 02:10:19 PM
was that the white punks on tour? i saw that one. i saw the sahb around the same time but don't know where. this could solve a little mystery for me. a couple russians guys behind us said this was their first 'western rock concert'. :o

would have killed to see those two bands.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: Droombolus on July 12, 2012, 04:17:46 AM
 
Here's a free tip - try not to suck in the town from which you derive your band name.

Good tip !  ;D  I saw them smoke Paradiso Amsterdam in 1979 with John Hiatt supporting. One of the more memorable live band experiences in my life .....

Saw the Tubes on their What Do You Want From Life tour and they were awesome ! Fee Waybill wielded the chainsaw with much gusto, though he did manage to fall into it later that same tour .....  ;)

But to remain OT: I already mentioned the verrry bad BBA gig and remembered later Lou Reed was supporting - touring his 1st album - and he sucked big time. Luckily I needed some coffee badly so I went to bar ........

And did anybody here ever fall asleep during a concert ? I did during a Barclay James Harvest gig ......  :mrgreen:
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Post by: gweimer on July 12, 2012, 04:33:37 AM

And did anybody here ever fall asleep during a concert ? I did during a Barclay James Harvest gig ......  :mrgreen:


No, but when I saw Huey Lewis and the News in a big outdoor arena, they were so boring that we all just stopped watching and listening.  For those up close in the pavilion, the band was probably decent, but they simply had no idea of how to perform for huge crowds.
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Post by: nofi on July 12, 2012, 04:47:56 AM
joe cocker, but it had nothing to do with boredom. :mrgreen:
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Post by: Pilgrim on July 12, 2012, 07:58:21 AM

And did anybody here ever fall asleep during a concert ? I did during a Barclay James Harvest gig ......  :mrgreen:


I came darn close during an Earth, Wind and Fire concert - I found the beat rather hypnotic.  Maybe I was just tired that night.

About Huey Lewis - I saw him at the Greeley Stampede (big rodeo & show) and he tore it up for a crowd of about 2,000 people.  Maybe that was a good fit.
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Post by: TBird1958 on July 12, 2012, 08:03:20 AM
And did anybody here ever fall asleep during a concert ? I did during a Barclay James Harvest gig ......  :mrgreen:



 Yeah, that $%#@&*^ Led Zeppelin show, ..........Ugh. 10 minutes of Bonham's solo for Moby Dick, followed by the King of Slop, Jimmy Page............Watching water boil would have been better.   
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Post by: Dave W on July 12, 2012, 08:26:34 AM
joe cocker, but it had nothing to do with boredom. :mrgreen:

 :mrgreen:

I never understood the appeal of doing horrible cover versions.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: gearHed289 on July 12, 2012, 09:00:31 AM
I was surprised at how decent Boston sounded on these clips I found a while back. Considering how "produced" the records were... Fran is rockin! I believe he may have had some pre-show marching powder.  :o Barry on back up vocals, with a little help from Scholz, worked pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hgCEtZmza0
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Post by: uwe on July 12, 2012, 09:55:13 AM
I was fortunate enough to see them live.  They were good.  I got to talk to Ariel Bender briefly after the show.  He didn't look so well that night - he'd put on a little weight, and had this huge black eye.

I saw them opening for Nugent, they were rough and suffered from a bad sound. To add insult to injury, the Nuge then started mocking Ariel Bender in his set "Now how did you like that British band before us?", copying Bender's (not very difficult) riffs and little solos which the latter had played in an ill-advised guitar solo/intro by himself during the Widowmaker set. Bender had his moments with Mott the Hoople, but he is neither a Mick Ralphs nor a Ted Nugent as regards fluid soloing, he's a bit of a(n albeit cool) noise merchant/bum note producer (unlike the ex-Hawkwind second lead guitarist of Widowmaker who played tastefully and received no scathing remarks from the main act).

Nugent can be a giant ass as we all know and ridiculing another band, much less your opening act is a real cheap shot, but even with Nugent in 1977 I assume that his jabs at Bender were spawned by some backstage ruffle they must have had. I remember an NME Widowmaker gig review from around the time where the author said: "Ariel Bender acts on stage like he thinks he is pretty much the star of this outfit, but doesn't want to get beat up in the dressing room for strutting around too much". That kind of summed him up and Widowmaker (musically probably more Bob Daisley's do than the two guitarists' and the singer's) folded to no-one's surprise soon after.  Next time I saw Daisley, he was (ably) playing with Rainbow as Jimmy Bain's replacement.

That said, I like the two studio albums too with their neo-Trapeze funked up riffs (courtesy of Daisley no doubt, some of it is very reminiscent of what he would do with his Mothers Army project band decades later)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw4Ew7MQwh4

and have heard decent radio live recordings of them, but that night in Offenbach with Nugent they were plodding and unremarkable.
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Post by: godofthunder on July 12, 2012, 11:51:11 AM
I was surprised at how decent Boston sounded on these clips I found a while back. Considering how "produced" the records were... Fran is rockin! I believe he may have had some pre-show marching powder.  :o Barry on back up vocals, with a little help from Scholz, worked pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hgCEtZmza0
  Well that sure didn't suck!
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Post by: Highlander on July 12, 2012, 02:44:12 PM
Saw them around that time - great evening... got very nervous about Tom Scholz playing with his monstrous organ in public... ;D

I've already previously admitted to seeing Gregg and Cher from a front row seat and thinking how slick and polished and boring a group of session men...

I can't argue with the quality of Led Zep live and my lasting memory of Knebworth is a broken nose...

Deeply deeply regret missing seeing Randy Rhodes and Paice Ashton Lord...
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Post by: gweimer on July 12, 2012, 05:11:08 PM
I saw them opening for Nugent, they were rough and suffered from a bad sound. To add insult to injury, the Nuge then started mocking Ariel Bender in his set "Now how did you like that British band before us?", copying Bender's (not very difficult) riffs and little solos which the latter had played in an ill-advised guitar solo/intro by himself during the Widowmaker set. Bender had his moments with Mott the Hoople, but he is neither a Mick Ralphs nor a Ted Nugent as regards fluid soloing, he's a bit of a(n albeit cool) noise merchant/bum note producer (unlike the ex-Hawkwind second lead guitarist of Widowmaker who played tastefully and received no scathing remarks from the main act).

Nugent can be a giant ass as we all know and ridiculing another band, much less your opening act is a real cheap shot, but even with Nugent in 1977 I assume that his jabs at Bender were spawned by some backstage ruffle they must have had. I remember an NME Widowmaker gig review from around the time where the author said: "Ariel Bender acts on stage like he thinks he is pretty much the star of this outfit, but doesn't want to get beat up in the dressing room for strutting around too much". That kind of summed him up and Widowmaker (musically probably more Bob Daisley's do than the two guitarists' and the singer's) folded to no-one's surprise soon after.  Next time I saw Daisley, he was (ably) playing with Rainbow as Jimmy Bain's replacement.

That said, I like the two studio albums too with their neo-Trapeze funked up riffs (courtesy of Daisley no doubt, some of it is very reminiscent of what he would do with his Mothers Army project band decades later)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw4Ew7MQwh4

and have heard decent radio live recordings of them, but that night in Offenbach with Nugent they were plodding and unremarkable.


I had this album.  I can clearly remember that this song was not only my favorite, but also Daisley's song.
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: godofthunder on July 12, 2012, 06:33:16 PM
Agreed one of my favorites of this disc!
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: Droombolus on July 13, 2012, 03:41:18 AM
Bender had his moments with Mott the Hoople, but he is neither a Mick Ralphs nor a Ted Nugent as regards fluid soloing,

I saw him in his earlier life as Luther Grosvenor with Spooky Tooth when he was smokin' hot guitarist, only one notch behind Kossoff in his prime ..... But that's another sad story of course .......
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: uwe on July 13, 2012, 03:48:46 AM
I always saw him as one of those guitarist that can be flashy for 30 seconds (and most Mott the Hoople songs didn't need solos any longer because they were essentially a songwriter band), but is unable to take you on a solo journey for a couple of minutes or so. Nugent, for all his idiocy, could do that on a good day.
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Post by: rahock on July 13, 2012, 04:53:40 AM
I was shocked to see Joe Cocker and Earth Wind and Fire on this list :o. Back in the day Joe Cocker was one helluva show. Caught him a couple times in the late 60s /early 70s and he was a knockout. With the Grease band he was really something. Earth Wind and Fire I caught once in the 70s and they completely blew me away. They were astounding musicians and the vocals were so perfect it was hard to believe I wasn't listening to a seriously tweeked studio version of a really well produced album.
I guess everybody has their moments , either good or bad.
Rick
Title: Re: "Pro" Bands that SUCK OUT LOUD
Post by: uwe on July 13, 2012, 07:21:05 AM
I always thought Earth, Wind & Fire pretty hot too. The bass playing, the intricate keyboard playing, the horn arrangements and the way the voices of the lead vocalists gelled. Plus a choreography unrepeatable for any white group.

I'm also a sucker for Kool & the Gang with their old honey-dew vocalist, but there is no question that Earth, Wind & Fire even in their most commercial moments were more sophisticated than Kool & the Gang in their most "prog". You could always hear the jazz background in EWF.

Relevant trivia: Glenn Hughes auditioned for Earth, Wind & Fire sometime late eighties! He sang his heart out (incredibly chuffed at being invited, Black Music addict he is) and they officially declined only because "he sang too loud and rock", but I wouldn't rule out that they had concerns about a white frontman - Black Music lover or not - altering their image. Or maybe his then raging cocaine addiction was just too apparent.
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Post by: Dave W on July 13, 2012, 07:36:10 AM
I was shocked to see Joe Cocker and Earth Wind and Fire on this list :o. Back in the day Joe Cocker was one helluva show. Caught him a couple times in the late 60s /early 70s and he was a knockout. With the Grease band he was really something. Earth Wind and Fire I caught once in the 70s and they completely blew me away. They were astounding musicians and the vocals were so perfect it was hard to believe I wasn't listening to a seriously tweeked studio version of a really well produced album.
I guess everybody has their moments , either good or bad.
Rick

That's the problem with "(fill in the blanks) band sucks" threads. There will always be people whose favorite bands or artists get dissed.

My view of Joe Cocker is that he was no worse live than recorded. That would have been impossible.
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Post by: gweimer on July 13, 2012, 12:47:03 PM
That's the problem with "(fill in the blanks) band sucks" threads. There will always be people whose favorite bands or artists get dissed.

My view of Joe Cocker is that he was no worse live than recorded. That would have been impossible.

Most of the bands I've mentioned are bands that I like, and was very disappointed when I saw them.  One band that was good, but very disappointing, was The Babys.  Not only did the band come out in jeans and t shirts, but they weren't very energetic.  None of the glam and energy of their albums.  Other than that, they were good.
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Post by: nofi on July 13, 2012, 01:14:18 PM
on the other hand, a band i was sure would suck but didn't were the raspberries. they rocked hard, even with future embarrassment eric carmen in tow. ;D

one of the best live shows i ever saw was steeleye span circa early seventies. who knew...!
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Post by: dadagoboi on July 13, 2012, 02:02:46 PM
Amazing how many of these bands showcased at the Whisky in '77 when I worked there as soundman: WidowMaker (they sucked), The Babys (so did they, as inanimate as their billboard on Sunset), The Tubes took over the place for a month and were great, Cheap Trick did a weekend, supplemented the house PA with some of their equipment and absolutely killed, Television were boring (Andy Johns who produced Marquee Moon came in a few weeks later with Detective to run their sound  and said he'd walked out of the sessions and left the tape machines running a few times),  Petty with Blondie co headlining, Van Halen about every other weekend.  Mink Deville (pretty good) The Dictators (sucked), Johnny Cougar (not bad) AC/DC (ditto), Judas Priest, Pat Travers (Mars Cowling was cool, he'd seen us play there the night before, recognized me at sound check and gave me two sets of Rotosounds, Travers grunted) and a bunch of others, most of whom...sucked.  The Ramones played three times and were always entertaining.  Cherie Curry quit the Runaways at Sound check and Joan Jett took over all vocal chores without missing a beat, little dyke has some balls. ;D
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Post by: gearHed289 on July 13, 2012, 02:58:26 PM
Cheap Trick did a weekend, supplemented the house PA with some of their equipment and absolutely killed

No surprise there!  ;D

Mars Cowling... His playing on the Travers live album really got my fingerstyle up to speed.
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Post by: dadagoboi on July 13, 2012, 03:11:04 PM
No surprise there!  ;D

IMO Cheap Trick put on the best performance of any band while I worked there.

Mars Cowling... His playing on the Travers live album really got my fingerstyle up to speed.

I didn't care for PT but Mars nailed it and was very gracious.
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Post by: gweimer on July 13, 2012, 03:14:56 PM
I saw Cheap Trick dozens of times before they got signed, at the old Haymakers in Prospect Hts., IL.  They were doing material all the way up to Dream Police in the club circuit.  The thing with them was that they were brutal on your senses, and almost painfully loud.  I LOVED them in a one hour set, but after 3 hours, I always felt like I had been beaten up.
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Post by: Lightyear on July 13, 2012, 08:09:00 PM
Most of the bands I've mentioned are bands that I like, and was very disappointed when I saw them.  One band that was good, but very disappointing, was The Babys.  Not only did the band come out in jeans and t shirts, but they weren't very energetic.  None of the glam and energy of their albums.  Other than that, they were good.


Funny, I saw the Babys open up for Alice Cooper here in Houston some time in the late 70's - whatever tour he had the dancing booze bottles.

It was a very rough crowd and the Babys did come out all glammed up - high heels, spandex, lacy blouses more makeup than most hookers  ;D  And, yes they were boring and just so, so musically.  The crowd hated them - John Waite took a Heiny bottle into his hand held mic which in turn smashed into his mouth - bloodied him up pretty good.  They lasted about thirty minutes before they ran for cover.

Another band that REALLY sucked was Angel - like a bowl full of cold, mushy white rice - bland and revolting :P

Funny thing is we was the B-52s early on and they were very average musically, putting the best spin on it, but they just killed and put on a hell of fun show
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Post by: gweimer on July 13, 2012, 08:29:47 PM
Funny, I saw the Babys open up for Alice Cooper here in Houston some time in the late 70's - whatever tour he had the dancing booze bottles.

It was a very rough crowd and the Babys did come out all glammed up - high heels, spandex, lacy blouses more makeup than most hookers  ;D  And, yes they were boring and just so, so musically.  The crowd hated them - John Waite took a Heiny bottle into his hand held mic which in turn smashed into his mouth - bloodied him up pretty good.  They lasted about thirty minutes before they ran for cover.

Another band that REALLY sucked was Angel - like a bowl full of cold, mushy white rice - bland and revolting :P

Funny thing is we was the B-52s early on and they were very average musically, putting the best spin on it, but they just killed and put on a hell of fun show

That was the EXACT tour I saw them.  They opened for Alice Cooper on the Madhouse Rock Tour, when he had Davey Johnstone on guitar.  I wonder if they hit Chicago after Houston, which would explain the dressing down.