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Title: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Dave W on September 01, 2009, 02:44:42 PM: The sad story (http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/08/25/Joan_Jett_Tells_Ex-Bass_Player_to_Turn_it_Down.htm), also here (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/dailydish/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=46116).

Time for all good bassists to rise to Jackie's defense!
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: uwe on September 01, 2009, 02:47:41 PM: She should have slept with her more often, silly girl.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Dave W on September 01, 2009, 02:50:59 PM: I will volunteer to sleep with Jackie if it will help settle the legal dispute.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: SKATE RAT on September 01, 2009, 03:45:45 PM: screw Jackie Fox,i side with Jett!
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: lowend1 on September 01, 2009, 03:56:37 PM: Not to worry. Jackie is an attorney (entertainment law) these days, and you know how insufferable they can be... ;D
BTW, not just any ol' chick bass player y'know. The legend goes that Jackie left The Runaways after a series of incidents culminating with a backstage mishap that resulted in the headstock breaking off her prized white '64-'65(?) Thunderbird - which had been left uninsured. A true Gibson girl!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqCgEn-zG4A&feature=related
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on September 01, 2009, 05:32:12 PM: I'll sleep with Megan Fox if it'll help. hahaa
Movies are gooood

I'm with Skate Rat, I side with Jett!
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: OldManC on September 01, 2009, 05:40:59 PM: I had occasion to correspond with Jackie through MySpace last year and she was friendly, gracious, and went out of her way to help me track down a friend who I hadn't seen in 20 years who had once been married to her uncle. She didn't have to do any of that (or even answer my initial inquiry), but she did. You can bet I'm rooting for her in this. The fact that she played a Thunderbird is just icing on the cake. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Dave W on September 01, 2009, 05:56:28 PM: Quote from: OldManC on September 01, 2009, 05:40:59 PM
I had occasion to correspond with Jackie through MySpace last year and she was friendly, gracious, and went out of her way to help me track down a friend who I hadn't seen in 20 years who had once been married to her uncle. She didn't have to do any of that (or even answer my initial inquiry), but she did. You can bet I'm rooting for her in this. The fact that she played a Thunderbird is just icing on the cake. :mrgreen:

Hear, hear! :mrgreen:

Truth is, we don't know from newspaper stories what the actual complaint alleges. We don't know if the allegations are accurate. And above all, we don't know what legal rights either of them has to the Runaways name. IOW, Jackie could be blocking approval of a movie, but maybe she has the legal right to. For all we know, Kim Fowley could be claiming ownership too.

From Jackie's MySpace page: AUGUST 30, 2009: To those of you who have asked about the complaint that Joan Jett, Kenny Laguna and Blackheart Records have filed against me in a New York court, I will just say thank you for your support and concern. I'm not going to comment on pending litigation -- just know that the complaint ALLEGES certain things. It doesn't mean that they are true. Also, apparently there is someone posting on other sites under my name. It isn't me. There is a lot of erroneous information floating around out there and unfortunately is is upsetting to Runaways fans. If I have anything to say about the Runaways, I will say it here.

Go Jackie!
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: OldManC on September 01, 2009, 05:57:10 PM: Joan is getting her just desserts for pissing all over Edgeplay (which was the first feature about the Runaways) which was somewhat of a collaboration between the other Runaways band members. She may think she was the only person in that band that mattered, but she was only one of many, later career not withstanding.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: lowend1 on September 01, 2009, 06:24:29 PM: Quote from: OldManC on September 01, 2009, 05:57:10 PM
Joan is getting her just desserts for pissing all over Edgeplay (which was the first feature about the Runaways) which was somewhat of a collaboration between the other Runaways band members. She may think she was the only person in that band that mattered, but she was only one of many, later career not withstanding.

At least Edgeplay was the real deal - and very sad in some parts. Those last few scenes with Sandy West are almost haunting.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: SKATE RAT on September 01, 2009, 06:43:45 PM: i think anyone who "quits the band" has no say or ownership whatever .
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Lightyear on September 01, 2009, 06:44:23 PM: Jackie pursued legal action first - read about it a few weeks ago. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle but he/she with the most resources($$$$) will most likely prevail. That would be the petite brunette with foul mouth ;)
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: OldManC on September 01, 2009, 07:30:16 PM: Quote from: SKATE RAT on September 01, 2009, 06:43:45 PM
i think anyone who "quits the band" has no say or ownership whatever .

If Joan Jett had kept The Runaways going over the last 30 years I might agree, but that's not the case. The other band members tried to tell their story and, with Sandy getting sick, it became an even more poignant one. From what I remember, Joan wanted no part of it and made things difficult for them at the time. Probably because she was shopping 'her' version. Now she and her managers (who weren't even there at the time) want to profit from the story while excluding the other players from taking part even though they contributed to that success as well. The law being what it is, we'll have to wait and see who prevails. But I don't think anyone can legitimately say Jackie's (original) complaint is without merit.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Dave W on September 01, 2009, 07:52:07 PM: Quote from: SKATE RAT on September 01, 2009, 06:43:45 PM
i think anyone who "quits the band" has no say or ownership whatever .

That just ain't necessarily so.

Quote from: Lightyear

Jackie pursued legal action first - read about it a few weeks ago. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle but he/she with the most resources($$$$) will most likely prevail. That would be the petite brunette with foul mouth

I hadn't read that she sued first.

I would say Jackie has the advantage, Joan's $$$$ aren't unlimited while Jackie is a practicing attorney in this very same area, as well as a Harvard Law School grad.

Plus she's a bassist.

Plus she's still hot, while Joan Jett since her facelift(s) looks like Nancy Pelosi's younger sister.

So there. 8)
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on September 01, 2009, 08:04:03 PM: Very persuasive arguments!! Now I'm neutral. :rolleyes:

Sorry, can't see cheering for a lawyer. :D

ooops ~ No offense to Uwe, our illustrious moderator & co-host.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: uwe on September 02, 2009, 12:06:36 AM: The Runaways didn't get along with each other back then, why should they get along now?

And my esteemed colleague Frau J. Fuchs was a true All-American girl, she played a Bicentennial, not a sixties Bird. Before she broke it.

ooops, :-[ I herewith retract that statement :-X, she's playing a sixties model here:

(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://jennylens.com/_p-s/runaways/77-08-27-joanjackie.jpg&usg=AFQjCNH02I4nF9g4u1Jhl4PqtgXaC5yVqg)

Could have sworn I've seen her with a natural Bicentennial (natural sixties TBs didn't even exist stock, right?) too ...
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: lowend1 on September 02, 2009, 03:51:39 AM: Quote from: uwe on September 02, 2009, 12:06:36 AM
Could have sworn I've seen her with a natural Bicentennial (natural sixties TBs didn't even exist stock, right?) too ...

The white 60s model was her baby - she's stated that many times herself. You are correct Uwe, she is pictured on the gatefold of "Live in Japan" with a natural Bicentennial - I think I may have seen it in a video as well. My assumption is that it was probably a backup bass. She also played (prior to the birdies) a natural 70s Jazz, a P-Bass and if memory serves, an EB-something.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: uwe on September 02, 2009, 05:27:10 AM: Thank you for reinstating my sanity!
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Lightyear on September 02, 2009, 04:19:42 PM: Quote from: Dave W on September 01, 2009, 07:52:07 PM
That just ain't necessarily so.

I hadn't read that she sued first.

I would say Jackie has the advantage, Joan's $$$$ aren't unlimited while Jackie is a practicing attorney in this very same area, as well as a Harvard Law School grad.

Plus she's a bassist.

Plus she's still hot, while Joan Jett since her facelift(s) looks like Nancy Pelosi's younger sister.

So there. 8)

I don't remember what legal laction she took but I don't think she sued - injunction, cease and desist - can't remember - it just sounded like she was doing her damdest to put stick in the spokes of Ms. Jett
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Lightyear on September 02, 2009, 04:31:41 PM: Just found this from 2008 - seems like Jackie was lobbing a few at ol' Joan even back then. ;)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jackie-fuchs/why-barack-obama-reminds_b_121621.html
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Dave W on September 02, 2009, 08:48:24 PM: Quote from: Lightyear on September 02, 2009, 04:31:41 PM
Just found this from 2008 - seems like Jackie was lobbing a few at ol' Joan even back then. ;)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jackie-fuchs/why-barack-obama-reminds_b_121621.html

A good example of damning with faint praise. :)
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: uwe on September 03, 2009, 04:25:24 AM: I dunno, but if you're an adolescent girl and find out how your peer group develops an overt interest for the other sex while you remain kind of distanced about the whole thing, then JJ's metamorphosis is perhaps not so surprising and planned after all. Reads more like your typical coming out (and of age) story. I haven't been in the situation, but being gradually confronted with the insight that you're gay and most other people aren't must have a devastating effect on your adolescent self confidence - we're talking about a mid-seventies middle-class US background here.

Jackie, otoh, was always the prom queen among The Runaways (and positioned by Kim Fowley as such, I even remember an article in some teen mag where her excellent grades at highschool and how she wanted to study were touted), she gets to go out with the handsome hunk from the school football team. Cherie had the trailer-park-trash-meets-Ziggy-Stardust appeal, Lita was the curvacious sex bomb, but All-American just the same, Joan the sulky Suzi Quatro lookalike that crossed over to the punks, Sandy was just a regular "guy" who you could always present to your mom without worrying and Miss Fox was the slightly aloof "I really don't belong in this here and have other plans".
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: lowend1 on September 03, 2009, 04:35:21 AM: Quote from: uwe on September 03, 2009, 04:25:24 AM
Jackie, otoh, was always the prom queen among The Runaways (and positioned by Kim Fowley as such, I even remember an article in some teen mag where her excellent grades at highschool and how she wanted to study were touted), she get's to go out with the handsome hunk from the school football team.

There was a great article in Crawdaddy magazine back in the 70s which described Jackie in part - "her 160 IQ lurking in a perfect surfer girl bod". I think there was a picture of the girls that had Jackie reading a book while Cherie dozed and Lita strategically positioned a banana between her legs. Marketing genius, that Kim Fowley character.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: uwe on September 03, 2009, 11:34:46 AM: Uhum, I think that with the banana was just to make it ripe quicker, perhaps?

I take Ms. Fuch's recollections with a grain of salt. Or two. When the Runaways came out, I saw Cherie in her jailbait lingerie as the front woman no doubt, but her obviously very limited vocal prowess made it clear that she couldn't be the musical leader. Joan had the better voice anyway (and she's not a great singer by a stretch either). When Queens of Noise came out, it was clear that Lita's lead guitar playing had progressed in leaps and bounds (albeit always remaining unoriginal) and that Joan was becoming the musical leader. Jackie was always just decorative to me, she was definitely no Lita on bass and didn't hone an image like Joan ("I'm the chick Keith Richards here") did. Just wasn't into it enough as her later professional career shows.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: OldManC on September 03, 2009, 01:01:20 PM: I think the point is whether Joan Jett was the sole driver of their success and should have ownership and control of The Runaways' legacy. It's possible she gained that ownership somewhere along the way but she didn't have it then. Kim Fowley may not have created the band ala Lou Pearlman, but he certainly ran the show during their heyday if the anecdotes above indicate anything. Maybe Jackie got out when she'd had enough. That shouldn't preclude her from contributing to a story she was definitely a part of.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: lowend1 on September 03, 2009, 01:38:23 PM: Quote from: uwe on September 03, 2009, 11:34:46 AM
Uhum, I think that with the banana was just to make it ripe quicker, perhaps?
...it was clear that Lita's lead guitar playing had progressed in leaps and bounds (albeit always remaining unoriginal)

Also from the Crawdaddy article:
"Lita Ford, the Earth Mother, manipulates the guitar into her groin with sinister abandon". Sinister abandon, indeed.

I don't know if that article is reproduced online anywhere, but it's a great read.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Dave W on September 03, 2009, 02:18:09 PM: Even being the sole driver of their success -- which she wasn't -- wouldn't give Joan ownership rights. All depends on how the band's ownership was set up, and if it wasn't set up formally, well, that's how lawyers earn their money. Her later success has nothing to do with it.

There's also Joan's claim that there isn't even a Jackie character in her story line. That may be part of what's behind this. In fact, Jackie was part of the lineup when their first album came out, and she was part of the lineup when they became famous. In addition to the ownership and financial angle, Jackie could be trying to force her own inclusion in the story.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Lightyear on September 03, 2009, 06:18:24 PM: Doesn't it all boil down to ego and money? :)
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Dave W on September 03, 2009, 10:20:18 PM: Quote from: Lightyear on September 03, 2009, 06:18:24 PM
Doesn't it all boil down to ego and money? :)

I think it's more about pride than money for both of them.
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: uwe on September 04, 2009, 03:10:36 AM: That they can't bury hatchets 30 years after the fact can only be explained with one thing: women!!!
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Lightyear on September 05, 2009, 08:38:28 AM: pride/ego ego/pride Seems to be interchangeable in this context ;)
Title: Re: Uh oh... Joan Jett sues Jackie Fox
Post by: Highlander on September 05, 2009, 02:51:28 PM: Pride comes before a fall, isn't that the expression...?