The Last Bass Outpost
Gear Discussion Forums => Fender Basses => Topic started by: Highlander on December 05, 2009, 08:41:24 AM
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Yes, I know... just sitting about not doing a lot (all Scott's fault for posting that dubious EB-3 ;D) ...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FENDER-1959-PRECISION-BASS-ALL-ORIGINAL-EX-GREG-LAKE_W0QQitemZ390127366477QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item5ad567314d (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FENDER-1959-PRECISION-BASS-ALL-ORIGINAL-EX-GREG-LAKE_W0QQitemZ390127366477QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item5ad567314d)
Same age as me... ;)
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One like that would probably fetch at least $8K USD here.
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That UK price works out at a cent or two under $16k... :o
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There are vintage guitar dealers in the US asking that much, but asking isn't selling. From what I hear, the actual sales prices for all-original ones have been in the $8-10K range.
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The Greg Lake connection probably adds a dollar or two.
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No mention of provenance though, Ilan...
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I'm not disputing any claims here , but the several times I caught Greg Lake , he was always playing a Hagsrtrom. One of their cheaper models too. Actually they were pretty nice. I've got a Hagstrom catalog from about 1970-71 and the bass I had seen him play on several occassions was about $180.
Rick
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Yeah, but this is the one Greg didn't use because
it sounded shitty he knew it would be valuable someday! :mrgreen:
FWIW, Jules' site has an old Ripper ad that mentions Greg Lake among Gibson artists. Who knows.
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when i saw ELP back at the dawn of the seventies he played a fender jazz.
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Musical tastes being subjective, I would say I associate him with a Jazz on anything worth more than a buck in the used bin.
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A day to run and no bids... not too much of a surprise to go on everyones comments...
The shop is based in "Chelsea" which is "NEW POSH" area of London... there is an expression in London... the "CHELSEA TRACTOR" which is any 4x4 that never goes near "DIRT" - not even "road film..." A rather rich Russian bought the local footie team... (Abramovich and "Chelsea FC") the other "local" team is owned by a rather rich Arabic type with "British" ambitions (Al Fayed and "Fulham FC" - nowhere near as succesfull).
I looked at the "eye candy" there but nothing is what you would call "fairly priced", unless you "live there..." ;)
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Plenty of "Chelsea tractor" SUVs around here, as well as pickup trucks that have never had anything hauled in them.
I've also noticed that it seems like the larger the SUV, the smaller the woman driving it. If it weren't for gas prices, eventually we would have seen midgets driving tanks.
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What's the price of a (US) gallon way down in Texas (or any other state for that matter) at the moment...?
I paid £1.12 (approx £5.10 per UK gallon) per litre of diesel on my last refill...
Not a good country to run a HUMMER... :o
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$2.39 a gallon in the 'burbs south of Houston.
Way too many soccer mommies driving Suburbans and Tahoes carrying one or two small kids around here - when you drive by a school that is letting out for the day you would swear that the really huge SUVs are the only vehicle sold.
The oversize SUV is to the soccer mommy as is the Corvette to the midlife crisis guy that is "compensating" for his shortcomings ;D
Maybe they think that driving a huge SUV makes their fat asses look smaller ;D
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Gas is around $2.60-$2.80 a gallon here in Northern Colorado..depends on the grade.
I have never understaood the blanket condemnation of SUVs...the small and mid-size ones are a great combination of size, utility and gas mileage.
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Right now it's about $2.40 a gallon here, +/- a few cents depending on the station.
Most of the price difference between here and Europe is due to higher excise taxes, not the cost of the gas..
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$2.40 is about £1.48...
God bless the British Government... ;D
I have never understood the blanket condemnation of SUVs...
IIRC you're involved with one of your countries seats of learning...? I think the issue, here, is mostly the chaos that ensues when the "school-mums" on the "school-run" clog our little cobblestone roads (sic) and compared to the wide open spaces you have, London just shut's down, due to a few "tractors" that will never see their potential... ;)
London is a breeze to drive through on a non school day...
(ps - there are still some cobblestones... ;D
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I understand the mega-SUV mindset.
My 280ZX was traded into a dealership in 1990 by a husband and wife who had just had their FIRST baby - and immediately determined that they had to buy a Suburban. Idiots. But this was in Texas, and carrying a side of fries and a coke there requires a Suburban.
I already had two kids, and I bought the ZX! Still have it, too.
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I have never understaood the blanket condemnation of SUVs...the small and mid-size ones are a great combination of size, utility and gas mileage.
Actually I love SUVs and I think that if someone wants one and can afford the gas for it so be it - i'm not giving up my Jeep Liberty. You do remember Texas though, right? More pickups and SUVs are sold here than most anywhere else. My problem is with the soccer mommy mentality of the stay at home mommy that has to drive an Excursion, Expedition, Suburban or H2 Hummer to haul their 1.2 kids to dance, T-ball or run erands. Too large of a percentage of these types can't park them, can't back up in them and a lot these women have a hard time getting in and out of them. It's a status symbol and nothing much else.
The gal accross the street from me just ditched her 1 year old Suburban because she got tired of fighting it - she traded for a loaded Altima and loves it and, yeah, she has one 6 year old kiddo.
Don't get me started on the 1 ton plus 4 wheel drive trucks with the lift kits and trailer hitch that would tow an aircraft carrier! 99% percent of these trucks never tow a thing and never go off road.
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(You just been reminded of that scene at the end of Pixar's "Cars"... ;D)
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Last night we drove to Denver and back (120 miles) for an NBA game. With 10 miles of stop-and-go traffic, we got 20 MPG according to the Murano's computer...and on the way back, drove 79 MPH most of the way (it's a 75 zone).
I'm liking this!
Actually, the Murano gets better gas mileage than my 280ZX.
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Isn't that about what they're supposed to get?
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We bought a Honda Odyssey back in 2004 brand new. It has 41K on it now and we've been very happy with it. Had a '98 Grand Caravan before the Honda and I liked it as well. The Honda handles better and has a lot more power. We get around 16 mpg in town but on our long highway trips it gets 27 mpg which isn't bad for a 3.5 V6. My '94 Toyota Pickup (with 71K) still gets 24 mpg in all around driving.
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Yeah Dave, highway is supposed to get up around 24 which would be pretty cool. I'm actually not that worried about gas mileage, but I don't see any need to spend more than I need to on gas.
When I want to have a lead foot and get 14 MPG, I'm happy to do it. when I'm highway cruising, P'm pleased to be able to get over 20.
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Our 03 Jeep Liberty gets right at 22 on the highway - with the AC running. Around town we get between 14 and 16 which I would like to be a higher but this is the 3.7 L 6. The trade off is that this thing has tons of power - when you drop the pedal it jumps like a scalded dog. Still you couldn't get me in Prius if gas were $6.00 at gallon - it hauls my junk, is easy to get in and out of and has great visablitly plus the ground clearance is fairly high too - helps for the frequent flooding down here.
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We are around $2.40 per US Gallon up here. My VW Passat gets decent mileage. I had older cars that got better mileage though. I have fond memories of a certain 68 Firebird with the thrifty in line 6.
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My first '66 Dodge Polara had a 383 with a Carter 4 barrel and at 55mph it actually got 19mpg on the highway. Now, if you played around with that right hand pedal you could drop into the single digits in no time, but if you kept your foot out of it, you could go a long way on those 25 gallons.
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Anyone here ever got near a Veyron...?
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Anyone here ever got near a Veyron...?
Nope, but I drove a '66 GTO for a couple of years. Probably as close as I'll ever get.
World record for that car while I owned it was 14 MPG on a long 60 MPH highway cruise. But I could drive with my foot stuck through the firewall all day and get 10 MPG. So.............the fun gained was well worth losing 4 MPG.
HIT IT!!!!
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Cars/barrierblue66GTO-1.jpg)
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Never had the chance to drive anything fancy or truly fast - got a car and a van up to 125mph long back in my reckless youth... rarely exceed the legals these days...
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Back to the '59 P... This was just posted on the FDP (http://65.23.158.135/forum.html?db=&topic_number=729658&lastpost=2010-01-1215:02:31):
"On the provenance issue, Rick (who owns the shop - New Kings Road Guitars) is a personal friend of Gregs, and I have personally seen him in the shop twice. So I guess it does, or did, belong to him."
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Still silly money, Ilan... and more importantly, no provenance...
Here's a thought for you regarding this; post it once I've rebuilt her, lie a bit about the spares...
"A mahogany amber-cherry sunburst Peter Cook Custom styled after a Gibson Thunderbird with a through Fender Precision "D" profile neck, made in 1972 from spare Gibson parts salvaged from a collection of original Gibson Thunderbirds and others owned by John Albert Entwistle, by his personal luthier/bass technician; all metal parts gold plated, in a luxurious custom made mock snow leopard fur lined case - Mr Entwistle, not known for being overtly sentimental about instruments blah, blah, blah... offers over £10,000...?" add pictures here; big ebay page...
No provenance, but "WHO" would be silly enough to believe me knowing the link between the two people and knowing their "WHO" history..?
ps - this is a joke... :P no I'm not planning to sell her...
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Back to the '59 P... This was just posted on the FDP (http://65.23.158.135/forum.html?db=&topic_number=729658&lastpost=2010-01-1215:02:31):
"On the provenance issue, Rick (who owns the shop - New Kings Road Guitars) is a personal friend of Gregs, and I have personally seen him in the shop twice. So I guess it does, or did, belong to him."
That doesn't convince me. Makes me wonder why his "personal friend" (if that's true) hasn't vouched for it in writing.
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When I was in Gruhn's in Nashville a couple of years ago, there was a 57 Precision, sunburst with the anodized gold pickguard for the "bargain" price of $25k hanging on the bottom rack in front. I've played Fenders that old before, but not with price tags that high hanging on them. This was downstairs and not the vaunted "upstairs" where the elite get to pick from instruments worth more than my workplace. I say 'workplace' because a television station is moderately valuable and selling my house wouldn't even buy a pre-war Martin.
Speaking of old Martins, the day I was in there, there was some guy who looked half-drunk, ham-handedly beating the living shit out of a moderately priced $100k model, barefoot sitting in a rocking chair. I can only assume he was a doctor or lawyer living out his Eric Clapton fantasy and had probably dropped over seven figures in there over the years to get to abuse the guitars like that. This guy sucked so bad, I'm a better guitar player than he was!
I did get my Waterstone 12'er there that day though. What got my attention was the headstock, which is over a foot long and covered in tuners, and I got curious. When I saw a "normal" price on it, my wife said I should try it out just to see how awful it would sound, especially since I'm a fingers only player and multistrings are typically pick basses.
Their test room was a closet under a staircase full of various new Fender amps and the usual never-selling used junk guitar amps, not a bass amp in the lot, even a practice one (nor was there one on the sales floor unless you count tweed Bassmans .) I plugged into a Fender Concert reissue and began playing. Two minutes later, my wife said, "You're buying that." But man did it ever freak me out to have to walk by that $25k P-bass, which was kind of in the way no matter where you walked, carrying that huge Waterstone. I was afraid i was going to hit it or knock it off the rack.
...and on the subject of provenance, Gruhn's is the ONLY stocking dealer for Waterstone basses in the world because Tom Petersson is a regular there. He lives in Nashville. They had two 12er's, one new and one used, but both for the same price. I tried out them both and the used one was better and had a better color, green over flame maple as opposed to the "bad Les Paul cherrywannabe" on the other. After I bought the used one, the guy at the counter told me who it had belonged to previously. Guess who?
Tom had only let it go because it was 34" and he didn't like the extra tension, so I have a Tom Petersson signature bass that used to belong to Tom Petersson. Man I need to get some Cheap Trick vinyl!
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Ah the 57 ;D. I've got an old buddy who picked up a perfect....... and I do mean perfect 57 , for about $200 back in the late 70s. It was a birthday present for a kid in 1957, who had no interest in music and never played it. The kid grew up to be a lawyer who represented my friend in a case , they got to talking about stuff and he ended up buying his useless old bass that had never been played. The Fender polishing cloth that came with it did not have so much as a speck of dust on it. I lost touch with my old bud but I'm sure he's still got it. God knows I tried to buy that thing from him a hundred times or more. I got tired of getting laughed at :-[ That is probably the worst case of unsatisfied lust I've ever had :sad: I loved that freakin' bass.
Rick
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Tom had only let it go because it was 34" and he didn't like the extra tension, so I have a Tom Petersson signature bass that used to belong to Tom Petersson.
Pictures... you know the rules... ;D
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PBG, cool story! I wouldn't mind seeing pics as well. I had a 1rst issue dark cherry Waterstone 12 a while back. I only sold it because they announced the second series and I wanted the thinner nut width, but I never did get that one. One of these days...
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Pictures... you know the rules... ;D
Here you go:
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=3216.msg50078#msg50078
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PBG, your wife must be wonderful...never have I heard a woman encourage GAS.
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17 basses, 37 amps, 19 cabs, 3 guitars, tons of PA and recording gear...
...and I take ballroom dance lessons. :mrgreen:
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He's out...! ;)
(found the posting... 8))
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You asked for an explanation. That's it. :P
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1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1... (cue Strauss...) ;D
(been there, danced that... :P)
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Oh, it's not just waltz. There's rhumba, tango, swing, push-pull, foxtrot, and more. There are dozens more. Those are just the ones I get to have fun with.
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let's not forget the Gay Gordons... :gay:
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Ballroom dancing is a small price to pay for having lots of gear.
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Damn... why'd I have to give it up... ;)
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i see this did not sell but the seller raised the price by 500 on his items for sale page.
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"Boutique" prices...