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Main Forums => The Bass Zone => Topic started by: ilan on February 05, 2023, 12:19:21 PM

Title: 46 years later
Post by: ilan on February 05, 2023, 12:19:21 PM
In 1977, when I was 15 years old, my parents bought me a MIJ Prima branded Jazz knockoff with weird tele-like pickups. This was my 3rd bass (before it I had a Hofner 500/1 and a Klira Rio), and I immediately peeled off the Prima sticker and made a crude Fender decal (actually I made two, the second try was nicer). Sold it in 1981 to buy a Peavey T40, my first decent bass.

Fast forward to yesterday, the bass pops up in Facebook Marketplace, for $320. I immediately recognized it.

So I bought it... again, 46 years later.

1977
(https://www.ibass.co.il/forum/uploads/monthly_2023_02/image.thumb.png.3b0bdcbff02d19bbd8732d086a41ec83.png)(https://www.ibass.co.il/forum/uploads/monthly_2023_02/image.png.4947808857b70e9ff357db92c2f70a86.png)

2023
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Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: Pilgrim on February 05, 2023, 12:26:33 PM
Wonderful!

How did you recognize it??
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: ilan on February 05, 2023, 12:35:34 PM
The decal. I wasn't 100% sure at first, so I pulled a few old photos and there was no doubt left. And when I saw it in person I even remembered some of the dings.

Whoever owned it in the last four decades took good care of it. I did a quick setup, shimmed the neck and gave the truss rod a half turn. It could use a fret redress, maybe I'll do that sometime. It actually sounds very nice with the neck pickup. The bridge pickup is as crappy as I remembered it.
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: uwe on February 05, 2023, 12:40:49 PM
Return to the Promised Land!

(https://assets.ldscdn.org/e7/73/e773514b1f0afa616a37e8c1bafead2e7f3a1d08/moses_mount_nebo.jpeg)

Alas!, so even in 1977 they already had secret underground Fender decal forgery workshops in the Holy Land?  ;)

Happy as the outcome seems, one question lingers, lieber Ilan: What happened to your fetching 1977 dungarees?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: ilan on February 05, 2023, 12:53:57 PM
Return to the Promised Land!
It has never left the country.

Alas!, so even in 1977 they already had secret underground Fender decal forgery workshops in the Holy Land?  ;)
I used a Fender ad from the Melody Maker magazine, and Letraset dry transfer letters. Remember Letraset?

Happy as the outcome seems, one question lingers, lieber Ilan: What happened to your fetching 1977 dungarees?  :mrgreen:
Thank you for not mentioning the horrid sweater.
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: uwe on February 05, 2023, 01:35:56 PM
Personally, I think even the sweater pales a little in direct comparison to the enticingly floral strap, don't you?

(https://i.etsystatic.com/22714718/r/il/2cbbef/3884156111/il_340x270.3884156111_7yq0.jpg)
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: Dave W on February 05, 2023, 11:47:33 PM
Cool story.

You've aged.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: ilan on February 06, 2023, 01:36:30 AM
You've aged.  :mrgreen:

Yep. Almost 61. But that’s just a number, you know, what matters is that I feel like a grumpy 78 years old.
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: uwe on February 06, 2023, 06:37:29 AM
Cool story.

You've aged.  :mrgreen:

I'd put it differently, Ilan: Your always naturally inherent coolness factor has increased multifold over the course of only almost half a century!

But why the pose on the newer pic pretending you're a finger player who needs a thumb rest? That stretched out pinkie on the adolescent one is much cuter!

(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1883f085f2ba9547efd9b60a88e150a3-lq)
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: morrow on February 06, 2023, 07:19:19 AM
Nice to bring her back home.
Great story , looking good!
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: uwe on February 06, 2023, 09:27:07 AM
Neither the bass nor the player are really worse for wear. Unsettling so.

(https://www.picclickimg.com/ceAAAOSwzrxUxTi8/Helmut-Berger-The-Secret-Of-Dorian-Gray-1970.webp)

Mind you, those cryogenics studies in the secret Negev Desert underground labs are vastly advanced. It's where they manufacture the wild fire inducing lasers too!

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Beersheba%2C_Monument_to_Negev_Brigade%2C_Bunker_01.jpg)
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: Basvarken on February 06, 2023, 09:37:22 AM
Cool story!

I have no chanced of ever finding back my first bass, an Ibanez Blazer.
I modified it beyond repair... :o

And yes, I remember Letraset.
Couldn't do without it in the eighties! I also used it to put my name on my first guitar. And on just about everything else.  ;D
Made entire demo cassette inlays with Letraset!
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: ilan on February 07, 2023, 01:48:27 AM
Mind you, those cryogenics studies in the secret Negev Desert underground labs are vastly advanced. It's where they manufacture the wild fire inducing lasers too!

Well in my case it's this top secret formula

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266118616703

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/o1gAAOSwSvBj38mV/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: Alanko on February 07, 2023, 02:10:58 AM
Yep. Almost 61. But that’s just a number, you know, what matters is that I feel like a grumpy 78 years old.


You have more hair at 61 than I had at 21!
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: ilan on February 07, 2023, 02:59:34 AM
I have no chanced of ever finding back my first bass, an Ibanez Blazer.

My first bass, a 1967 Höfner 500/1, is in the US and still owned by my first bass teacher, to whom I sold it in 1976. We've emailed and I have first dibs if he sells it. Which I doubt he ever will, having owned it for 47 years.
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: ilan on February 07, 2023, 05:22:19 AM
But why the pose on the newer pic pretending you're a finger player who needs a thumb rest? That stretched out pinkie on the adolescent one is much cuter!

I did also play fingerstyle from time to time. Here's proof from 1980. I was in the army, that's why the hair is short.

(https://scontent.fsdv2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/327070510_884254239480486_727751445349085502_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=GEE_dLgJgjgAX95AQpD&_nc_ht=scontent.fsdv2-1.fna&oh=00_AfBeO2oVdzvLApMQQ3-b78vwuHDxVY_Ay97TSxYXC3iqIQ&oe=63E7293B)
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: uwe on February 07, 2023, 05:37:40 AM

You have more hair at 61 than I had at 21!

Yes, all that hair, Ilan must be a descendant of Esau, no less,

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDE-xMlEmPKQ22pLI5ifM3DmWQwwcG7au6hA&usqp=CAU)

whose boundless masculinity was legend.

(https://diklalaor.photography/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/242400505_4612434485443007_7165728971961036454_n.jpg)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTlDjunWHkF8R7l5SE2a0spEbi9-8qLJu8b8Q&usqp=CAU)

Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: ilan on February 07, 2023, 07:21:57 AM
I'm of Ukranian and Polish origins. Ashkenazi Jews (= of European descent, Yiddish-speaking) can be traced back genetically to eastern Europe (mainly today's Ukraine, Russia, Georgia, and Romania) but not to the middle east and the land of Israel, and are most likely descendants of the Khazar empire that converted to Judaism in the middle ages.

As for my own Jewishness, it's not very significant for me as I've been an atheist all my life.
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: uwe on February 07, 2023, 08:17:56 AM
I know. As have I (probably more agnostic though), but I was brought up a Catholic by my agnostic/atheist parents of likewise Catholic descent (I gave up believing when no one could explain the Holy Trinity to me coherently when I was about 10 and inquisitive, that bugged me no end - I still haven't heard a good explanation). So I refer to myself as 'culture-Catholic' these days, because to me Catholicism - like being Jewish - transcends religion and is actually a cultural umbrella. There is no Jewish 'race', that is an invention of antisemitism, and religious belief is only one aspect of Jewish culture, which as you have said has many Eastern European influences too, not just Holy Land.

"He's a real hairy Esau" was a common comment when I was a child, meant to describe anyone with prominent body hair. Probably also a cultural thing. Tellingly, I've never met anyone with a Protestant/Lutheran background who knew what it meant.
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: slinkp on February 07, 2023, 08:27:29 AM
That's cool that you found LITERALLY your first bass!

I hope my Montoya has been burned, it was so bad nobody should suffer with it.
Permanently warped neck made the action horrible, and the pickup was either permanently muddy or the tone control was shorted to full mud all the time.

(https://i.imgur.com/m9wIzRA.jpg)

Well, it only cost $50 USD used in 1980, and it was enough to learn "Hey Joe" and "Day Tripper".
Two years later I got a quite decent Ibanez Blazer P-copy, which I still own, though it's been much abused and modified.

(https://i.imgur.com/MZB4AXa.jpg)
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: morrow on February 07, 2023, 09:03:03 AM
I once had a single pickup Zen-On guitar I put some bass strings on.
And it was truly god awful. Steel reinforced neck , but no truss rod.
I was playing a bass at a party and several days later was asked to audition for a band doing the local circuit. Nobody else showed up , but the audition went quite well and I got the job. I needed a bass , and traded a Nikon camera for a slightly used Pbass. It’s now fairly well worn , and I still have it.
God only knows where that Zen-On might be.
Agnostic Presbyterian.
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: westen44 on February 07, 2023, 09:12:40 AM
I know. As have I (probably more agnostic though), but I was brought up a Catholic by my agnostic/atheist parents of likewise Catholic descent (I gave up believing when no one could explain the Holy Trinity to me coherently when I was about 10 and inquisitive, that bugged me no end - I still haven't heard a good explanation). So I refer to myself as 'culture-Catholic' these days, because to me Catholicism - like being Jewish - transcends religion and is actually a cultural umbrella. There is no Jewish 'race', that is an invention of antisemitism, and religious belief is only one aspect of Jewish culture, which as you have said has many Eastern European influences too, not just Holy Land.

"He's a real hairy Esau" was a common comment when I was a child, meant to describe anyone with prominent body hair. Probably also a cultural thing. Tellingly, I've never met anyone with a Protestant/Lutheran background who knew what it meant.

I've read Kierkegaard probably 100 times more than the Bible.  Not that there is anything wrong with the Bible.  But Kierkegaard referred to the Bible often, usually in a vague way.  Because I also question how much he read the Bible.  However, the point is Essau in the Bible was very hairy.  When Jacob tried to trick his father (who had bad eyesight) out of Essau's blessing, he had hairy goat skins put on his skin to appear to be Essau.  I've never heard the expression "he is a hairy Essau."  But that's obviously where it came from. 

BTW, Kierkegaard was also technically a Lutheran.  But he was so disgusted at how shallow Lutheranism had become by the 19th century that he was very critical of it.  On Sundays, he would sit on a bench smoking a cigar, and urging people not to go to church.  He said by not going to the Lutheran church, especially as it existed in Denmark, that's one less sin people  would have against God. 
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: uwe on February 07, 2023, 09:31:10 AM
Ah, the goat skin hoax, I remember!

The Old Testament would make one great Game of Thrones type series. Blood, guts, gore, non-consensual sex, fate, vengeful deities and deceit. And the good guys are all eventually killed.
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: uwe on February 07, 2023, 09:35:28 AM
That's cool that you found LITERALLY your first bass!

I hope my Montoya has been burned, it was so bad nobody should suffer with it.
Permanently warped neck made the action horrible, and the pickup was either permanently muddy or the tone control was shorted to full mud all the time.

(https://i.imgur.com/m9wIzRA.jpg)

Well, it only cost $50 USD used in 1980, and it was enough to learn "Hey Joe" and "Day Tripper".
Two years later I got a quite decent Ibanez Blazer P-copy, which I still own, though it's been much abused and modified.

(https://i.imgur.com/MZB4AXa.jpg)

You were kinda the earnest, serious-minded kid, weren't you?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: Pilgrim on February 07, 2023, 10:36:58 AM

You have more hair at 61 than I had at 21!

I'm fortunate in that as well.  I don't care what color it is if it's still present.
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: westen44 on February 07, 2023, 10:44:01 AM
Ah, the goat skin hoax, I remember!

The Old Testament would make one great Game of Thrones type series. Blood, guts, gore, non-consensual sex, fate, vengeful deities and deceit. And the good guys are all eventually killed.

If people would get away from their preconceived notions of what they think the Old Testament is, and take a more Game of Thrones approach to it, I agree it would make a great series.  But that's not going to happen.  There are too many self-proclaimed experts on things like this, just like there are self-proclaimed "political experts" everywhere you go. 
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: uwe on February 07, 2023, 10:45:18 AM
Personally, when it comes down to full hair without too much color getting in the way, Herr Carlston/Saruman wins here.

He could get a job with Uriah Heep anytime, easy livin' alright.

(https://vintagerock.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/mick_box_uriah_heep_2019_01.jpg)

Speaking of: They have a new album out and if Heep's slightly overblown melodic heavy rock is your thing, then you won't be disappointed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXvpDNyvLxM

Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: slinkp on February 07, 2023, 10:59:33 AM
You were kinda the earnest, serious-minded kid, weren't you?  :mrgreen:

I was indeed. Though occasionally I got goofy.

(https://i.imgur.com/FnFepy5.jpg)
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: uwe on February 07, 2023, 11:47:47 AM
And? Did your NASA career work out?
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: ilan on February 07, 2023, 12:12:13 PM
I don't care what color it is if it's still present.

I was OK with my graying hair but was told by my bosses to have it dyed. Gray hair looks good on TV if it's short, but with my hair I'd look like Dumbledore. Well, as long as they're paying my hair salon bills, I can't complain.
Title: Re: 46 years later
Post by: uwe on February 07, 2023, 01:45:42 PM
Oh darn, shucks, Ilan, now you've really shattered my belief in your virile melanin production capabilities.