The Last Bass Outpost
Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: Chris P. on August 14, 2015, 03:06:56 AM
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The Gibson range of 2016, launched in September, will have NO basses. Period.
They do have lots in stock, so I guess they will use this stock first. And then start again in 2017 maybe?
Gibson. This also excludes Gibson Memphis. Will the Rivoli come back at last? They told it me several times.
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Last one out turn off the lights. :rolleyes:
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Finally, a solution to those pesky quality issues.
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Is ze kölleckshün now approaching closure? Alas!, my work is done.
I hear Fender builds basses too? With bolt-on necks? Interesting concept.
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Is ze kölleckshün now approaching closure? Alas!, my work is done.
I hear Fender builds basses too? With bolt-on necks? Interesting concept.
Don't you go there!
On the other hand, if they quit entirely they'll become even more collectable ;)
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I have at least one more coming - have a message here from the Customs Office, a package from Des Moines, they say their DNA scanner found some things they want to question me about ... :-X
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Is ze kölleckshün now approaching closure? Alas!, my work is done.
I hear Fender builds basses too? With bolt-on necks? Interesting concept.
My US Geddy bolt-on is quite a player and gets along nicely with my Sixx bird!
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Uwe, you could start going after Rickenbackers... except Ric collectors usually do collect for fins.
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Uwe, you could start going after Rickenbackers... except Ric collectors usually do collect for fins.
That's all they have to collect for! ;) :vader:
But I bet any Bird player would love to have 10% of the finish options that Gibson guitar players get.
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Is ze kölleckshün now approaching closure? Alas!, my work is done.
I hear Fender builds basses too? With bolt-on necks? Interesting concept.
Here's a solution from a company that builds excellent basses: http://www.gretschguitars.com/products/basses/
Surely ze kolleckshun has room for a BillyBo, a ThunderJet and a White Falcon?? Perhaps open a Gretsch annex? There are plenty of historic Gretsch models to be had, as well.
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I have at least one more coming - have a message here from the Customs Office, a package from Des Moines, they say their DNA scanner found some things they want to question me about ... :-X
oh that.........
Hope they don't do a black light scan :-*
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This will get me killed, but I find Gretsch instruments quaint and an acquired taste. They look nice, but their sound is too docile for me. I have one of those Electromatics
(http://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Lg/10005/2518000512_gtr_frt_001_rr.png)
which is a lovely instrument when played in the solitude of your living room or at an unplugged gig, but in a rock setting it doesn't stand a chance against my - similarly built - Gibson EB 650.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DCP_2184.jpg)
Of course, inevitably, someone will now provide a video with a Gretsch bass churning out a sawblade sound! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Fair enough, but on your next visit to the states, you might want to visit Dr. Bassman (a treat in itself, I'm sure) and test drive his ThunderJet. It's definitely a different beast than the Electromatic hollow-bodies.
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Gibson is retrenching after this year's sales disaster. They still show 2013 and 2014 models on their website now, so I have no doubt they'll continue to show 2015 basses next year -- along with the shitload of leftover guitars they'll have. Price is the only real problem with sales of the 2015 basses. They can always lower prices. At least the basses don't have the "Leo Paul 100" headstock scrawl, the wider neck and zero fret nut, and the GForce.
Basses will return at some point. If not, Uwe will start collecting Gibson guitars. ;D
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I agree, Gretsch and most hollow basses are acquired tastes. You can bump some of the music and highs up with the right strings and EQ. It is hard to make them sound as aggressive as any TB or jazz bass. But that's ok. I still love the sound of the TJ and Briadkaster thru my Mesa M Puse amp. I can get plenty of clear cut through the mix noise sound as I need.
In fact, I'm still open to buying more HB basses!
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I agree, Gretsch and most hollow basses are acquired tastes. You can bump some of the music and highs up with the right strings and EQ. It is hard to make them sound as aggressive as any TB or jazz bass. But that's ok. I still love the sound of the TJ and Briadkaster thru my Mesa M Puse amp. I can get plenty of clear cut through the mix noise sound as I need.
In fact, I'm still open to buying more HB basses!
You, sir, have excellent taste! 8)
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I believe the TB and the SG Bass will remain iconic stayers and consistent, if moderate sellers in the catalogue. Everything else will eventually go and new things tried which will - inevitably and not always a fault of Gibson - fail. The world seems largely happy with TBirds and SGs.
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If you think about it, narrow down the basic models and what have you got...
1st Division: Precision, Jazz, Ricky, Thunderbird, SG... and in that order...
Everything else, and I mean everything, is 2nd string, and SG is nearly there too... yes, okay, Explorer and EB2 (style) float around the periphery, but what else is up there...
Discuss... or not...
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Pretty much hasn't changed in 40 to 50 years
except that the second string and third string basses are much more playable nowdays
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If it ain't broke rule applies...?
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Since musicians are heavily oriented to instruments with proven popularity, it doesn't seem that difficult an idea for Gibson to get a focus group together or otherwise poll musicians about what features and models they prefer - then build them.
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Since musicians are heavily oriented to instruments with proven popularity, it doesn't seem that difficult an idea for Gibson to get a focus group together or otherwise poll musicians about what features and models they prefer - then build them.
Heretic! ;D
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The world seems largely happy with TBirds and SGs.
...mostly made by Epiphone. What ARE the most recent yearly numbers of those produced by Gibson USA?
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...mostly made by Epiphone. What ARE the most recent yearly numbers of those produced by Gibson USA?
Since CMI sold to Norlin have they ever published unit sales? Of course cheaper models have always way outsold the more expensive ones. In the 50s the Juniors and Specials consistently outsold the LP Standards by about 8 to 1. I'd guess Epi basses outsell Gibsons by at least that much.
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In the 50s the Juniors and Specials consistently outsold the LP Standards by about 8 to 1. I'd guess Epi basses outsell Gibsons by at least that much.
Judging by the Thunderbird Club thread on TB, online GC offerings of used, and Ebay listings I'd guess at least 25 to one. Probably quite a bit more.
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Judging by the Thunderbird Club thread on TB, online GC offerings of used, and Ebay listings I'd guess at least 25 to one. Probably quite a bit more.
I think you're right Carlo - I guess Epi is disco'ing the white - makes no sense!
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I think he's Carlo too ;D
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Since musicians are heavily oriented to instruments with proven popularity, it doesn't seem that difficult an idea for Gibson to get a focus group together or otherwise poll musicians about what features and models they prefer - then build them.
It would end up looking/sounding/feeling like a P bass, and they already did that long ago. It is an Epiphone Accu-bass, and with a little searching you can get one delivered to your door for less than $100. I bought one a month ago and love it.
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I think he's Carlo too ;D
I should never post when I'm at work...... :-\
My attention span is as short as that "other thing" I've got.
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I think you're right Carlo - I guess Epi is disco'ing the white - makes no sense!
Yeah, I don't understand that one.
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Judging by the Thunderbird Club thread on TB, online GC offerings of used, and Ebay listings I'd guess at least 25 to one. Probably quite a bit more.
That wouldn't surprise me. Price differential is greater, Epis use mystery wood, Epis have cheap electronics that are often replaced. Juniors and Specials used genuine mahogany and the same quality electronics. That's why you rarely see them without the original pickups and why they bring so much today. Unless we have hyperinflation, I highly doubt that you'll see all-original $299 Epis selling for $5-6K 50 years from now. Now that I think about it, Carlo, you and I have a better chance of making it another 50 years than Epi Birds rising in value like Juniors and Specials have.
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That wouldn't surprise me. Price differential is greater, Epis use mystery wood, Epis have cheap electronics that are often replaced. Juniors and Specials used genuine mahogany and the same quality electronics. That's why you rarely see them without the original pickups and why they bring so much today. Unless we have hyperinflation, I highly doubt that you'll see all-original $299 Epis selling for $5-6K 50 years from now. Now that I think about it, Carlo, you and I have a better chance of making it another 50 years than Epi Birds rising in value like Juniors and Specials have.
I agree, Dave. Those are some sweet instruments.
Far Left Carlo says, "$5-6K might buy you a cup of coffee in 50 years." :)
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Hmmmm....let's see.
Gibson has dropped basses for 2016.
Fender f***ed Hamer when it bought Kaman and then sold off the pieces, so no more Hamer Basses.
Gretsch makes their basses in Asia...even their most expensive White Falcon.
FMIC (Fender) is over-extended and struggling financially.
Guitar Center's financial backers are trying to take control aftet the chain has been reduced to junk bond status. If theyngo under, they will take a few more bass brands down with them.
My theory.....it is Meaghan Trainor's fault for singing "It's All About That Bass" and then hemmoraging her vocal cords and having to cancel her tour. Absolutely destroyed That Bass market. :)
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I saw this 2015 Thunderbird today at my local GC. Nearly $2600 and check out the new pickup pole alignment.......... :rolleyes:
(http://i60.tinypic.com/14wcbnk.jpg)
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Fender f***ed Hamer when it bought Kaman and then sold off the pieces, so no more Hamer Basses.
Gretsch makes their basses in Asia...even their most expensive White Falcon.
Jon, I know you're sore about Hamer being discontinued, but Kaman begged Fender to take the music division off their hands, since it had become a big money loser. At the time, Fender wanted that Connecticut factory to make Guilds. If Ovation and Hamer had sold well enough, Fender would have kept them.
IMHO the top line MIJ Gretsch guitars are much better and much more consistent than when they were US-made.
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I agree, Dave. Those are some sweet instruments.
Far Left Carlo says, "$5-6K might buy you a cup of coffee in 50 years." :)
Isn't coffee already that high in Zimbabwe?
If it ever gets that expensive here, I'm sure whichever member of the Clinton or Bush royal families is in office will do something about it. :)
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Jon, I know you're sore about Hamer being discontinued, but Kaman begged Fender to take the music division off their hands, since it had become a big money loser. At the time, Fender wanted that Connecticut factory to make Guilds. If Ovation and Hamer had sold well enough, Fender would have kept them.
IMHO the top line MIJ Gretsch guitars are much better and much more consistent than when they were US-made.
Dave's right. The MIJ gretsches are flawless instruments. I love my TJ and BK. excellent workmanship, sound and playability.
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Dave's right. The MIJ gretsches are flawless instruments. I love my TJ and BK. excellent workmanship, sound and playability.
My Thunderjet has the best fit and finish of any instrument I have seen. Flawless. And the Electromatic 5123 is essentially the same.
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Gibson has had years before where they did not bring out a new bass model, so what is so special about 2016? The last few years they were certainly busy with limited reruns and newish models.
BTW, what will happen to the 2015 V-5 (or -4) bass? Was there ever a single one delivered or did that meet the fate of the Continental and the Tobias Custom Shop Growler? Nobody seems to list the 2015 V Bass anymore. Or if they do with the helpful: "this item is no longer available". As if it ever was. >:(
Someone in Nashville hates me. Most likely Henry J himself. All for a little border skirmish some 76 years ago.
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You mean the lederhosen you sent him didn't mend fences? :P
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Gibson may be able to leverage 2-3k per instrument out of Les Paul's legacy once they get their heads back on straight, but that's a custom shop price for a bass, and for that much money, the basses they have turned out recently don't even begin to justify that kind of investment. The 2015 Thunderbird I tried, tonal irregularities of the EB pickups aside, was a trash instrument with uneven, misshapen body wings of varying thickness, flaking finish and terrible neckdive, even for a T-Bird, and the retail price for that: $2600. With almost any other manufacturer, that price point is for a premium instrument.
Gibson may be able to put that pricetag on a Les Paul guitar and sell thousands regardless of quality issues so long as they don't do something stupid like make robo-tuners mandatory or alter the iconic headstock signature, which of course, they did. Bassists needs basses that can be played without falling apart and if I'm plunking down what amounts to a decent used car, I want a quality instrument that is completely different from the ocean of Fender clones out there. Gibson has a huge innovative history to draw from, but they have consistently demonstrated that the bottom line trumps ALL other considerations, a penny-wise/pound foolish notion for a brand trying to position itself as a "lifestyle" refined above other makes. Harley Davidson can sell non-working Harleys to middle aged doctors and professionals with too much disposable income, but basses are rarely bought as wall decoration; they have to work as basses and Gibson's current offerings don't. Their own Memphis instruments showcase that people WILL pay for quality, but Henry can't seem to bring that same mindset east.
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Gibson has had years before where they did not bring out a new bass model, so what is so special about 2016? The last few years they were certainly busy with limited reruns and newish models.
BTW, what will happen to the 2015 V-5 (or -4) bass? Was there ever a single one delivered or did that meet the fate of the Continental and the Tobias Custom Shop Growler? Nobody seems to list the 2015 V Bass anymore. Or if they do with the helpful: "this item is no longer available". As if it ever was. >:(
Someone in Nashville hates me. Most likely Henry J himself. All for a little border skirmish some 76 years ago.
I can check with our source again, but I have no reason to think anything has changed, i.e. it won't go into production.
The scuttlebutt seems to be that Gibson has learned its lesson and will be going back to more traditional guitar lines in 2016. Not every model, though. This is based on a letter from the company to a large independent dealer -- I don't know which one -- and inside info from a former employee who still has contacts inside the company. If things go well in 2016, I expect that bass models will return.
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Presume like most, clear the old stock off the shelves first...
Just a thought... did anyone ever conclusively figure out why the bass was called the "V" anyway...? after all, it's just gone "V" J day +70...
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"V" is generally regarded as a technical term of a certain distinction ...
(http://www.vcepinc.org/RareWWIIphotos_files/image013.jpg)
(http://www.wehrmacht-history.com/images/heer/missiles/v-2-rocket-1.jpg)
But then there was also V-Day of course because, luckily, the two Vs above did initially not really change the course of history (just bring the US to the moon a couple of years later)!
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41fv2EeGlqL.jpg)
Those two from the iconic LIFE Magazine "end of war" pic, here they are, married (but not to each other). They had not met before and never met again after that impromptu kiss - until a couple of years ago. Kinda cute.
(http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/files/2012/08/LIFEkiss.jpg)
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"Harley Davidson can sell non-working Harleys to middle aged doctors and professionals with too much disposable income ...".
A (needless to say: middle-aged and professional :mrgreen: ) friend of mine owns two new ones (one in each country, he's an expat in Saudi-Arabia where non-rainy motorcycle cruise days are plentyful I am always told!) and has owned other models before, he says quality issues with Harley-Davidson are a thing of the past. Of course it's not really a state-of-the-art "most modern" motorcycle, but the targeted middle-agers don't want that in any case.
I don't believe that it is a mistake for Gibson to bring out brave capability statements like the Firebird X once in a while, as with a prototype or study car some things will inevitably rub off into practice/the regular line, the mistake is to give up the traditional stuff in favor of it.
If they offered a bass with automatic tuners as an extra option, I'd buy one just to see what it is like in practice.
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Presume like most, clear the old stock off the shelves first...
Just a thought... did anyone ever conclusively figure out why the bass was called the "V" anyway...? after all, it's just gone "V" J day +70...
They have a lot of stock to clear. Supposedly they are considering shipping Grovers to dealers to replace the GForce, but that's not definite.
No idea why they would call it the V-bass. Not a Flying V, no relation to the Basses IV and V from the late 80s.
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No idea why they would call it the V-bass. Not a Flying V, no relation to the Basses IV and V from the late 80s.
I suspect it's because they're bonkers.
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I don't believe that it is a mistake for Gibson to bring out brave capability statements like the Firebird X once in a while, as with a prototype or study car some things will inevitably rub off into practice/the regular line, the mistake is to give up the traditional stuff in favor of it.
I agree entirely. I've never taken issue with Gibson on anything but quality relative to pricing, and that included my feelings on the Firebird X. You'll note Line 6's similar instruments of the same time period that cost much less have also gone the way of the dodo; Henry wasn't alone in thinking samplers that work so well for keyboards were going to work equally well for stringed instruments. Fender may be able to sell ten different versions of a Jazz Bass with mostly miniscule tonal variations while Gibson can have a concurrent EB-0 bass and a T-bird that sound and play worlds apart yet neither sells in droves. Life isn't fair and the best man doesn't generally win (or G&L would own FMIC).
There's a 20/20 I will enjoy trying out one day. I LOVE my closeout EB, and not simply for the deal. The price that MF closed it out moved it from being a passing dream to an attainable dream for me. I was inundated with Gibson basses at the music store in sales and service where I worked in 2002, most of which I had never even heard of prior. I literally strung up an RD before I ever played one: setup and string job on a closet classic that was stored without strings. The neck was fine. I even got the guy to give me an extra day with it to make sure there was nothing wrong with the neck under tension. I've also talked Hobbits with Jim Creeggan. Uwe, this forum gave a name to the forbidden love I never knew existed before: Gibson basses. My one serious regret is never bringing home the blue Money bass that sold at closeout after I left Willis Music for TV full time in 2003. ...and one day I WILL find a Thunderbird I both like and can afford! Until that day, my Epi Les Paul Standard has an identity crisis with Lindy Fralin's Thunderbird pickup recreations making its mystery wood growl and snarl, though the extra frets of the Epi will always lack that singing upper register of a through-body neck.
If they offered a bass with automatic tuners as an extra option, I'd buy one just to see what it is like in practice.
The key words there are bass and option, two items mutually exclusive to Gibson's latest folly. Rather than test the innovation with its most (dare I use the word and risk the wrath of Henry...) liberal, (or at least progressive 8) ) customer base, Gibson tried to force-feed change straight down the throat of its most regressive buyers: Les Paul guitar players. I understand why. Changing the tooling for a limited production-line model would drive up even further the already excessive prices for non-Memphis Gibson basses and potentially kill all bass sales outright. I imagine the auto-tuning zero fretted LP's were initially pitched as a single model and then ego took over. Maybe Fox news reported that Obama was sniffing around Gibson's electronics factories and impounding brass alloy as a strategic material.
As it is, they're having to dispose of EB pickups and bridges in Thunderbirds, and the EB bass was decidedly LESS quantum of a leap than auto tuners and zero frets. Still, I think it's safe to define Gibson's 2015 marketing plan as hubris and 2016's as regrouping. ...and bassists like you and me would be curious and possibly taken with those features, whose costs already showed up in bass prices. I'm angrier about the Lo-Z Les Paul "reissue's" faux pickups than I am that Gibson would rather be cautious than further expand a misstep.
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Up to 40% off on lots of 2015 guitars and the Thunderbird (it is now almost down to the same rock bottom low price of the previous model) in Sweden. While we're at it a songtitle from Swedish band The Hives might be proper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz1Jwyxd4tE
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The 2015 Thunderbird I tried, tonal irregularities of the EB pickups aside, was a trash instrument with uneven, misshapen body wings of varying thickness, flaking finish and terrible neckdive, even for a T-Bird, and the retail price for that: $2600. With almost any other manufacturer, that price point is for a premium instrument.
I tried a 2015 Thunderbird in Larry Hartke's lounge area in Sam Ash, New York two months ago (I'm a Hartke endorsee, so from that perspective I was on home turf so to speak). [It] was pretty nasty and to be honest, I couldn't work out or determine what those little switches were actually doing. With everything full on (my usual fallback position), I was flipping those switches and nothing.
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single coil mode vs humbucking mode
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Couldn't hear any difference.
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Up to 40% off on lots of 2015 guitars and the Thunderbird (it is now almost down to the same rock bottom low price of the previous model) in Sweden. ...
Prices here are down only 15%, although Gibson's website prices haven't changed yet. I'm guessing the distributors there can set their own prices.
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Couldn't hear any difference.
Cloth ears :P
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The difference is very audible, but there might have been a wiring issue.
You know on which bass those pups sound best? On the G-3 Tribute on which they first came out - as three singlecoils that could be humbucked together. They are not bad on the (now deleted) EBs (-13s) or on the TB either, but on the G-3 Trubute their sound was startling.
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That G-3 re issue was the SEX. I really liked that bass, killer tone outta that!
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I'm confused. The G-3 tribute had single coils, how are they related to these humbuckers?
Are you saying they're the exact same coils and magnets?
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I'm confused. The G-3 tribute had single coils, how are they related to these humbuckers?
Are you saying they're the exact same coils and magnets?
He seems to be assuming that. Could be.
AFAIK the 2015 T-Bird pickups are the same Jim DeCola-designed pickups that were in the 2012-2014 EB Bass. The polepieces are alnico V rods. The G3 RI pickups were said to have alnico V magnets but I don't know if the rods ae magnets or if they're steel rods with a magnet below like most Gibson pickups.
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The G3 Tribute pups were also done by Jim DeCola, they made a big fuss about them at the time. Yes, they are single coils, but there is always two (or even 3) of them running together (as was the case on the original G3 with the then Bill Lawrence single coils).
Don't ask a lawyer about magnets unless they stick to the fridge, but as the designs came out at practically the same time, look the same and the humbucker version can be switched single coil, I always assumed it to be the single coils doubled - little economic sense in doing an alternative version for a ltd run bass as the G3 Tribute was intended to be from day one.
That said, I can't rule out that the humbuckers were actually designed first and then conveniently "split" for the G3 Tribute, both the now deleted EB and the G3 Tribute were introduced in the fall of 2012 (by which time Jim DeCola had joined Gibson as new master luthier and general pick up guru), and though the G3 hit the shops earlier, I assume that a lot more design preparation had gone into the wholly new EB(-13) - except for the pups, the G3 Tribute was a rerun of the Grabber II -, so the humbucker version might have been the original design. As Gibson really didn't have a single coil bass pup for a G3 reissue, they had to come up with something if they did not want to use Seymour Duncans Fenderish pups again for which they had received a lot of flak on the RD Novoselic Signature (the non-alignment of the pole pieces on that bass to Gibson three-point string spacing is not a pretty sight, let me tell you, though it doesn't affect sound).
Maybe they should have given the G3 Tribute a little more time to gain a reputation and turn it into a regular model after all. Patience with basses isn't great in Nashville.
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It would end up looking/sounding/feeling like a P bass, and they already did that long ago. It is an Epiphone Accu-bass, and with a little searching you can get one delivered to your door for less than $100. I bought one a month ago and love it.
The accu-bass (nice lawsuit avoiding pun there Gib/Epi), is a literal P copy, but if you want Gibson's take on a P (vs an Epi copy), check out a Victory Standard. Everything you like about a P, with a bit of TBird growl thrown in if you want it (along with the headstock shape). ... and pointier, but tastefully so; not too dated (the similarly shaped IV and V look so 80s with the arrow headstock and no pickguard). I like to call it the P's biker cousin. Rather affordable too. Amazing neck (wide but shallow - surprisingly comfortable)
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Someone in Nashville hates me. Most likely Henry J himself. All for a little border skirmish some 76 years ago.
But you Hessians were a big help in the war of independence. What short memories.
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I like the Victory Standard, but to me it looks dated - in a fun way, but it really screams 80s.
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But you Hessians were a big help in the war of independence. What short memories.
Sigh, only one of those darn Canadian royalists could claim that about the "One nation under Canada"! Jake, the Hessian mercenaries fought for the good guys British, while Steuben, who was helping the, uhum, colonial rebels was Prussian (and Hessia back then not yet aligned with Prussia).
Unless, of course, you mean that lousy Hessian mercenary morale benefitted the independence effort more than it did the British. Desertions were prevalent so I've heard and nearly all stayed in the emerging US. Hessia was back then nothing to look forward to return to. It only got to its feet after WW II (a late benefit from being a key part of the American Occupation Zone in Germany).
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Alright, I got that mixed up a bit... but in my defense, I am a citizen of no country involved in that conflict.
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Didn't the Hessians open for Paul Revere & the Raiders back in the day? It was so long ago....
Anyway, you may be right about the G3 pickups. Or they could be the same magnets and bobbins but wound to a different spec. Only way to tell that for sure would be to measure out of circuit. Or contact Jim DeCola.
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I see the Hessians on the TV show Sleepy Hollow. Uwe would not appreciate the context. Especially the (usually) headless gent with the battle axe.
(http://www.swords-and-more.com/shop1/images/40203_600_1.jpg)
(http://content6.flixster.com/photo/35/33/43/3533436_ori.jpg)
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Anyway, you may be right about the G3 pickups. Or they could be the same magnets and bobbins but wound to a different spec. Only way to tell that for sure would be to measure out of circuit. Or contact Jim DeCola.
I would assume that the singles are wound a bit hotter than the individual coils of the buckers, for practical reasons, even if they are otherwise identical. This would also explain why Uwe likes them in the G3 more than any other bass (with the bucker 'version') - wood and construction only go so far.
It wouldn't be hard to prove that - just measure coil DCR of both.
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Alright, I got that mixed up a bit... but in my defense, I am a citizen of no country involved in that conflict.
That ain't right either! What is today Canada supported the Brits in their vain attempt off battling down the American Revolution. Which put strains on early US-Canadian relations for quite a while. Canada also offered a safe haven for those colonists who were not in favor of independence.
Don't you children learn anything in Canada any more?
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Don't you children learn anything in Canada any more?
They learn how to make good poutine and cure back bacon.
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Tsk, tsk, tsk, Jake should really change his avatar pic from those tribal breasts or whatever they are to this here:
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTWOW_ZrwBpxoax43KRymaurC3UqFzZOQgTwvNGJvL6DZFTqBD2)
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I see the Hessians on the TV show Sleepy Hollow. Uwe would not appreciate the context. Especially the (usually) headless gent with the battle axe.
(http://www.swords-and-more.com/shop1/images/40203_600_1.jpg)
(http://content6.flixster.com/photo/35/33/43/3533436_ori.jpg)
Unsinn, I love Tim Burton films and I loved Sleepy Hollow, a wonderful homage to B movies. Christopher Walken can do no wrong for me, even beheaded, but I love him most when he's not typecast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQuG5nfQoko
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Col. Tavington! That's harsh Uwe. If anything, nationalism is the new patriotism and at least Canada was wise enough to stop allowing the practice of anchor babies.
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They learn how to make good poutine and cure back bacon.
We're good at drinking beer too.
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Col. Tavington! That's harsh Uwe. If anything, nationalism is the new patriotism and at least Canada was wise enough to stop allowing the practice of anchor babies.
I'm joking of course. The Patriot is historically as accurate as Monster of Loch Ness sightings are zoologically credible.
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That ain't right either! What is today Canada supported the Brits in their vain attempt off battling down the American Revolution. Which put strains on early US-Canadian relations for quite a while. Canada also offered a safe haven for those colonists who were not in favor of independence.
Don't you children learn anything in Canada any more?
Actually it is correct because Canada did not exist at the time. And I do not mean as an independant nation, I mean as a cohesive whole - it was various seperate colonies roughly analogous to the current provinces which were only united under Confederation (almost a full century later, more if you count when all the current provinces joined). We were all still Brittish citizens until the 70s, and since I never emigrated here until 1981, I was never British citizen.
You're off your lawyer game, here bud. Too much time in the boardroom vs the courtroom methinks. :P
They didn't teach us about Hessian mercs at all (it is, to be fair, a minor detail), but yeah, we totally learned about that one time we kicked the Yanks asses and burned down the first White House.
Col. Tavington! That's harsh Uwe. If anything, nationalism is the new patriotism and at least Canada was wise enough to stop allowing the practice of anchor babies.
Not sure how you mean, but if you were born here, you're a Citizen. This is something that cannot possibly be removed without risk of creating nationless people, which is a much more horrible proposition than some extra immigration. What I know they have done recently (just as despicable) is create a 2-tierd citizenship - anyone who has the prospect of foreign citizenship (even if born here and not currently having dual citizenship status, but merely being technically eligable, even if unaware of said eligibility) can have citizenship revoked under certain vague conditions (i.e. ccmmitting a "terrorist" act, anywhere in the world, also something about other foreign criminal acts; don't recall exact details). So basically, if I was in Poland and participated in a peaceful protest but got arrested, I could be de-Canuked, which is ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous, is to revoke the citizenship of a person who has no other citrizenship (I am dual) making them nationless (just because you're eligible, doesn't mean you are aware, and applying for it is difficult/impossible without some other citizenship due to, for example, lack of valid ID).
I am not sure (ping Uwe) but the whole citizenship by place of birth might be an international law thing, and for good reason. Eliminating it is not morally possible; a Trump-meets-quixote ideal just like those other proposals to deport 11 million current US illegals and build a wall along the Mexican border - both cost too much to be feasible and would not be effective in the long term (not worth the exorbitant cost).
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Perhaps I'm misinformed. It was something I heard on talk radio claiming Canada had abolished it's anchor baby law.
http://www.michaelsavage.wnd.com/2015/08/michael-savage-newsletter-if-canada-can-abolish-its-anchor-baby-law-so-can-we/
We don't need to delve deeper into a discussion on immigration though. So how about those Gibson basses for 2016? Not happening?
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The only exception to the citizenship by birth rule is foreign diplomats: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/
There was some talk about eliminating it though, and our current governing party has been 'investigating it' since 2012 .... and apparently I was wrong about it being a universal concept. ... and we call them 'passport babies' or 'birth/maternity tourists.'
Sorry about going a little political there for a minute.
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Germany has citizenship by ancestry - that concept has as many drawbacks as citizenship by birth if not more. Citizenship by birth is generally viewed as the more modern concept - citizenship by ancestry as tainted by Nazism and all their race-crap.
Immigration is the hot topic in Germany too, asylum seekers are at a peak, they can't build the container compounds fast enough to house all these people who are mostly war refugees from the Middle East. The West is witnessing the chickens coming home to roost. Our Middle East policies have always been bad, since the early 80ies they have been conceited, shortsighted and ahistorical. We've managed to destabilize a whole region, in hindsight the Osmanic Empire seems like a brilliant idea. Just think how the Middle East would look today if all the money that went into military operations in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libanon, Lybia and Allah knows where else had been employed to build infrastructure there. Rather thhan suffering from a brain drain, these countries might now have Europeans applying for a career there. If you look at the map, the most stable regime (counting Israel out) in the region is the - looking at the last 35 years - most aggressive anti-Western one AND the one whose country borders were the least influenced by Western colonialism: Iran. Take a minute and think what that says about Western policy in the Middle East in the last 100 years or so.
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My grandparents moved to the USA...uneducated coal miners...Czechs...my dad was a structural engineer (designed some well known buildings in Cincinnati and elsewhere)...joined the CCC at 16 and got his own education...I am a CPA...Dad was always vehemently against the anti-immigration people...
Matter of fact, the only people Dad was prejudiced against were the entrenched WASPs and people of Japanese descent (he went through hell in the war--give him a break)...
My point is that many immigrants add to the society they enter--they add richness and diversity to the world. Dad was born here....if he wasn't a citizen where would I be... a citizen of nowhere? The Czech republic? I have no knowledge of anything about the Czech Republic, though I would love to visit.
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Large scale immigration is seldom painless and causes issues with the traditional population BUT: In the long run - historically speaking - it has always proven beneficial, the US is the living breathing example. It's evolution at work. I have no doubts that the Syrian refugees in Germanny will largely assimilate very well and add something to our nation. (It is further my firm conviction that had you guys not had any further immigration following, say, the Civil War, then the USA's strategic importance would today be somewhat akin to Australia, you would not be the world power you are.)
The real danger of immigration lies in what it does to the countries that are left behind by people emigrating: the brain drain. Just look at how long Ireland took to get back to its feet again after the waves of emigrants it lost. More than a century and it is still not quite there.
That is why a more effective sharing of wealth is a crucial future issue. No legislation and no border fence, how high it may be, will stop economics-driven (im)migration. Only improvement of living conditions overall can (and a perspective in your country that your children will have it better than you). It is that simple and that difficult.
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Effective sharing of wealth? That's what's destroying the western nations taking in all these immigrants. Many aren't coming to work and assimilate like Patman's dad but to just take advantage of the welfare systems. Economic conditions can't improve under these circumstances and eventually the third world will simply collapse in to the first.
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my whole family came over here from italy in the early 1900's and was of the same mindset as patman's dad. go to work and make the best of your new country. have things changed that much over the years or are we talking about now just about the current hispanic situation. the latino work ethic has done more to help this country than anything else. lazy amuricans bitch that they took our jobs but to the victor goes the spoils. i'm talking about blue collar jobs here but these are the jobs that impact people's lives on a daily basis. construction, farming,utilities and any and all menial labor jobs that other people refuse to do. i don't see many white folks doing these jobs anymore. i guess they all work at wal mart.
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For every non-working immigrant you'll find nine who gladly will - and in many cases in jobs no longer attractive to the host population. Most immigrants tend to be industrious people, if you can't get off your ass you're likely to stay put, not cross the ocean or a desert for an uncertain future even if goaded by unrealistic promises.
In Germany, seekers of political asylum (as the Syrian refugees all are) are not even allowed to work (no work permit for the duration of the lengthy legal process of seeking asylum) which I think is a grave mistake, let them work, even make them work (nearly all of them want to). Make people feel useful and wanted.
The "effective sharing of wealth" I mean is not throwing money at people via welfare or development aid in the old-fashioned sense of sending free food to Ethiopia so that Ethiopian farmers can no longer sell their produce at sensible prices and stop farming their land. It's creating sustainable economic opportunities in immigrant home countries via infrastructure, health, education and access to markets. And as commercial opportunities are finite, the West will have to make some room. We either do that or fence ourselves in at great democratic and economic cost. These kind of obstacles have never worked for long in the past. Neither Apartheid (oppressing the majority of your population and caging them away from the spoils) nor the Iron Curtain (make your borders impenetrable!) were success stories.
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Interesting discussion, but political discussions always bring complaints.
Time to get back to bashing Gibson, please.
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I heard Gibson is releasing the V bass in a limited Scandinavian market with a slight modification. It will have a gun barrel built in to the neck and double as a fully functioning semi automatic rifle so the fair bass playing maidens of Sweden can protect their chastity against the hordes of barbaric raping Islamic jihadists invading their land. The new model will be now known as the Valkyrie bass. Ok I'm done.
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It's been a good week: Satanism, JAE's lack of groove, the Führer congratulating Jesse Owens and accepting Jimi Hendrix' talent (and pedals), global immigration issues, the collaboration of these snide Cannucks with the British tax oppressors of yore and garish fins. I'm not complaining. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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I heard Gibson is releasing the V bass in a limited Scandinavian market with a slight modification. It will have a gun barrel built in to the neck and double as a fully functioning semi automatic rifle so the fair bass playing maidens of Sweden can protect their chastity against the hordes of barbaric raping Islamic jihadists invading their land. The new model will be now known as the Valkyrie bass. Ok I'm done.
The Breivik Signature Bass you mean? They wanted to call it Crusader I believe ...
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Ok, I'm done too now.
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What Breivik did is inexcusable. I'm surprised the same hasn't happened in Rotherham. I guess not having a right to bear arms makes it difficult to defend oneself or their family from the wonderful benefits of multiculturalism England is enjoying. It's working out great though, just ask all the French Jews in Israel who had to flee their homeland because of it.
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Whit?
Anyway, anybody know how many of these Alembic killers Gibson has sold?
(http://im2.woodbrass.com/images/woodbrass/GIBSON+BAV4NABC1-3.JPG)
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Zilch. Gar keine. Rien. Nada.
Ignorance is Strength.
Freedom is Slavery.
War is Peace.
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
Emmanuel Goldstein and the V 2015 bass do not exist.
Doubleplusnotgood for a sincere collector like me, but the Inner Party and Big Brother Henry can do no wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNPHU_ro-1U
Cool suit! This was 1974, Bowie was leagues ahead of everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcTP7YWPayU
Cool boiler suit. Annie was hot in a thinking man's (yes, they do exist!) way.
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We are living in dystopia. Speaking of stable middle eastern countries. Libya was once one of them. Now it serves as the gateway to Europe for all those displaced and disenfranchised by the neocons lust for dominance and profiteering war mongering. "We came, we saw, he died". But "what difference does it make?"
Well it's making a difference to Hungary and they apparently think building walls isn't such a bad idea.
Here's your immigrants Uwe and they're dying to get to Deutschland.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/migrant-tragedies-land-sea-claim-hundreds-lives-095433930.html
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Zilch. Gar keine. Rien. Nada.
Ignorance is Strength.
Freedom is Slavery.
War is Peace.
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
Emmanuel Goldstein and the V 2015 bass do not exist.
Doubleplusnotgood for a sincere collector like me, but the Inner Party and Big Brother Henry can do no wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNPHU_ro-1U
Cool suit! This was 1974, Bowie was leagues ahead of everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcTP7YWPayU
Cool boiler suit. Annie was hot in a thinking man's (yes, they do exist!) way.
I never much cared for David Bowie. But Annie did certainly get my attention in the "Sweet Dreams" video. Here is a George Harrison song with him on vocals and Dave Stewart on lead guitar. This picture of George bears an uncanny resemblance to my college roommate Greg. He also died from smoking and was quite a vocalist and guitarist. I think he would want it to be known, however, that he was a John Lennon fan through and through. They don't make them like Greg anymore.
This version of the song, by the way is on Dave's "Platinum Weird" album, but also on the most recent George Harrison boxed set
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEHJaLJZxjw
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Cool boiler suit. Annie was hot in a thinking man's (yes, they do exist!) way.
You have got to be kidding.
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You have got to be kidding.
Hey, I think Annie still looks pretty good.
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You have got to be kidding.
Hey, intellectual-looking women can be sexy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATvu5f9vE
Oops, wrong video.
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We are living in dystopia. Speaking of stable middle eastern countries. Libya was once one of them. Now it serves as the gateway to Europe for all those displaced and disenfranchised by the neocons lust for dominance and profiteering war mongering. "We came, we saw, he died". But "what difference does it make?"
Well it's making a difference to Hungary and they apparently think building walls isn't such a bad idea.
Here's your immigrants Uwe and they're dying to get to Deutschland.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/migrant-tragedies-land-sea-claim-hundreds-lives-095433930.html
That's why music, which was first something to like for its own sake for me, has now become a potent consolation as we move more into a dystopian world. People may say this is just part of something cyclical, but I believe we are moving into uncharted territory. Not in a good way, obviously.
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Things are getting weird for sure. This is what people dig. No guitars. Good music for doing horse and playing GTA5 I guess. The new (non)thinking man's darling?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Ymd-OCucs
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looks like talk radio has been cleansing minds and scaring folks again.
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Things are getting weird for sure. This is what people dig. No guitars. Good music for doing horse and playing GTA5 I guess. The new (non)thinking man's darling?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Ymd-OCucs
I listened to some of her music once on some show. It pretty much appeared to be crap the best I remember. I listened to about a minute of that song. That's horrible.
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I'll take Lorde over any pop diva out there right now. Intelligent lyrics (these days I'd settle for not-banal), a good voice and not hypersexualised. Quit being grumpy old curmudgeons.
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I'll take Lorde over any pop diva out there right now. Intelligent lyrics (these days I'd settle for not-banal), a good voice and not hypersexualised. Quit being grumpy old curmudgeons.
Quit insulting people just because their taste in music doesn't line up with yours. You seem to have a habit of doing this, too.
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You have got to be kidding.
Dave, but not all women can look like her!
(http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/gwyneth-paltrow-diet-food-pasta-cheese-new-year-goop__oPt.jpg)
Or her:
(http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/419378_f260.jpg)
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Lorde's not bad. I prefer the more traditional Kate Davis. Girls like her give me hope for the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdCtT2GDGVU
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I'll take Lorde over any pop diva out there right now. Intelligent lyrics (these days I'd settle for not-banal), a good voice and not hypersexualised. Quit being grumpy old curmudgeons.
I'm with the little Canuck. Like what I heard. "Grumpy old curmudgeons" :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: I'm enjoying a double CD of Bay City Rollers Hits in the car right now, I'm enjoying this as well. I'm a music whore.
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I'm with the little Canuck. Like what I heard. "Grumpy old curmudgeons" :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: I'm enjoying a double CD of Bay City Rollers Hits in the car right now, I'm enjoying this as well. I'm a music whore.
I haven't heard much from Lorde, but what I've heard so far is of little interest to me. However, if disliking Modest Mouse (a band Granny Gremlin has defended on this forum) makes someone a curmudgeon, then so be it. Their music is some of the worst music I've ever heard. Their "lead singer's" singing defies description.
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Quit insulting people just because their taste in music doesn't line up with yours. You seem to have a habit of doing this, too.
LOL dude. I'm not particularly in to her music either so your argument here is hilarious. The curmudgeon comment was intended as a friendly jab and really, it would hold up to a libel suit (you are old - I am and you're older than me, and you were bitching about music the kids listen to these days, which is an archetype of curmudgeon-ness). It was meant, among other things, to point out how funny it is to have you complain about how some artist is "horrible" because it's not the genre you like (e.g. no guitars, though I realise you didn't say that part, but you did implicitly second it). To have you turn around and say that to me is irony befitting a hipsters stained T Shirt (which itselfr is irony-ception considerring your shaking your fist at the teenagers). I also found the "nonthinking man's darling" comment incredible for reasons that should now be rather apparent (again, not your comment, but I did not direct mine at you specifically did I?). You could have just said you're not into it or whatever, but instead you had to devalue it entirely, just because you are willfully blind to the value in it (it is possible to appreciate the value of something without actually liking it); the irony being that your devaluing post was the thing with no value. Glass houses.
You have some very strong opinions yourself, as expressed vehemently all week. In light of that, I am somewhat surprised that my comment affected you so. I have never intentionally insulted someone over musical tastes (yeah, plenty of old man jokes, but as mentioned those are friendly jabs; I get jabs for being the (comparatively) youngin/Canadain/Polish without crying about it), and now that I know being reminded of your age is so traumatizing for you I will endeavor to refrain from that sort of carry on.
I haven't heard much from Lorde, but what I've heard so far is of little interest to me. However, if disliking Modest Mouse (a band Granny Gremlin has defended on this forum) makes someone a curmudgeon, then so be it. Their music is some of the worst music I've ever heard. Their "lead singer's" singing defies description.
You're not a curmudgeon because you don't like this or that band. The issue is how harshly you critisise new music, and not even the banal pop, but the stuff thathas some artistic value, is thought-provoking just because you can't get past the aesthetics of it... and how long you hold a grudge over such trivial things; holy moley.
Your level of vitrol shoould be reserved for true douchebags such as these guys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97CtEReZEaQ
As a summary, the song is basically the story of a dude pressuring his girl to blow him (under the guise of being cool with her not going all the way, as well as reciprocity of the favour), and their target market/fan base was pre-teens. It was in heavy rotation on our local "Youth Television" channel's weekly video hits show. Now THAT'S "horrible."
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^^^
I think you are projecting a lot of stuff toward me which really has nothing to do with me at all. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say I've been vehemently expressing opinions all week? Would you give some specific examples? It just seems to me you have some resentment built up which you are throwing at me for really no reason. You are seriously overreacting. I have spent much of my life being around a close relative who loves hip-hop while I love rock. We don't insult each other, though, because of that. When I say I don't like an artist, that isn't the same thing as saying I want to insult all the people who like that artist. That is just not the way my mind works. But you don't know how my mind works since you have misinterpreted much of what I've said on this forum. From my perspective, you just seem to be someone who has a chip on your shoulder.
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Lets not expand this argument any further/reopen old ones. Your words regarding Modest Mouse and Lorde are ample examples of excessive and undue hate and negativity; vitriol and vehemence. You won't dismiss my point that easily
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Come on guys, this is not a schoolyard, no picking fights over your music tastes. Everyone - even Jake, that elderly and wordy punk - is entitled to like (or dislike) everything here and also to have the piss taken on him for it. I was forever ridiculed for my music tastes in high school (too blue collar, too much glam rock, too little prog-friendly), it made me a stronger and better man! :mrgreen:
Curmudgeon is one of the cutest words in the English language, sounds like a muppet character. Jokes about age - and youth or Canadian heritage - are allowed as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42QWhIpb3HQ
Those kids are cute, aren't they? The bass is bigger than the player. ;D Wonder how they sound today?
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At least we stopped arguing about politics. By the non thinking man comment I meant it's still kind of mindless pop music that appeals to those who enjoy numbing themselves and maintaining a gloomy disposition although I concede some of the lyrical content has a bit more merit than some of the more shallow and or hedonistic pop out there. Not sure if that was the impression I was getting across to you Granny G.
Michael, there's nothing wrong with outgrowing a younger generation's musical tastes. It's perfectly natural and to be expected. The nice thing is plenty of kids who like today's music can also appreciate the Beatles or even older classics like Bach or Mozart. Fads will come and go but timeless art will always remain and be appreciated.
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Lets not expand this argument any further/reopen old ones. Your words regarding Modest Mouse and Lorde are ample examples of excessive and undue hate and negativity; vitriol and vehemence. You won't dismiss my point that easily
I don't even have any hate, negativity, vitriol or vehemence toward hip-hop--a genre I like even less than Lorde's and Modest Mouse's genres. Of course, Lorde doesn't really fit into a genre, being someone who seems to be unique.
You are putting WAY more into this than is there. It's like alarms are going off with you but there is no fire. It's just a false alarm. I simply see no reason at all why anyone would put hatred and music together, even if we're talking about music that someone doesn't like. So please make whatever assumptions you want to make about someone else. You don't know what's going on in my brain. You're just guessing and so far you're guessing wrong.
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I've always had a penchant for brainless music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWdT-t0dR6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRCzXk3LAQk
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status quo, an appropriate name since they never change. saw them open for rory gallagher around 1975. in all honesty i should like these guys given my taste but i just can't. :o
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You're then part of the explanation why they never broke America - no harm done! They're wealthy enough. They might have fallen through the cracks in the US for the simple reason that Francis Rossi's voice (the lead singer on nearly all their hits) was too pop and British for people that would have otherwise liked their hard rock energy and that their music was too rough and energized for a pop audience.
Quo's only hit in the US was their novelty track Pictures of Matchstick Men in 1968 - it already sounded dated then and it was the sound they so desperately tried to get away from that they didn't play it for decades after they had made the stylistic change to boogie rock.
Still, bassist Alan Lancaster did have a rock voice and why this didn't fare better in, say, Midwestern arenas where Foghat ruled supreme, is beyond me ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLgZJKUk5AU
They Americanized their sound in later years a great deal, but all that singing about Los Angeleeeeez and Jacksonville was to no avail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbcfvNogZzU
Who said that Teles sound thin? Not if Parfitt hammers them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtLGRBl8BC8
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Every one of us here should understand this: your tastes in music are just your opinions, nothing more. There's no right and wrong about it. No reason to attack one another over a matter of taste.
Thanks to the internet, every one of us ought to be able to find plenty of music to like.
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status quo could not crack america because they were the weak sister in the boogie brigade. gallagher, foghat, savoy brown and even peter green era fleetwood mac. i guess you could throw humble pie on the pile as well.
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Lorde is OK, as was Fiona Apple ( I heard a jazz cover of "Criminal" on WDVX (http://www.wdvx.com/) that was REALLY good), and Lisa Loeb. I kinda got worried when one of the cute girls half my age was playing music on her phone at work and the songs were all modern pop I like when I hear it on the radio. I'm an angry old metalhead; the stuff I like is supposed to repel hot girls. Thank God for changing tastes (the kids' not mine!). I also recently discovered a low powered AM/FM local station that is VERY urban and plays old soul and modern R'n'B Here is the song that caught my attention after Aretha went off:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4K435UyhAs
I hain't airy curmudgeon. I had my shots.
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I'm working on being an old coot - but not a hairy one. A girl has to keep up appearances you know ;)
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I'm working on being an old coot - but not a hairy one. A girl has to keep up appearances you know ;)
Only in the areas on show, surely? Kinda like how you never want to see the kitchens of your local Chinese restaurant. :sad:
(http://cdn.humoropedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/chinese-restaurant-funny-sign.jpg)
Status Quo are fairly boring, but I would pick up on their brief psychedelic phase as being typical of their output.
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As Tom commented, Foghat nailed Quo's coffin for their US career... Ironic, being Brits and being considered an American boogie band... :rolleyes:
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I just cannot enjoy Quo's singing voices. Neither of the guys had a standout rock voice, and they both had the same nasal delivery. It just lacks balls, which you cannot scrape back by wearing double denim and playing the same boogie riffs all the time. Alan Lancaster is sound though. ;D
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Back to 2016 Gibsons for a moment. Three 2016 model Gibson solidbody guitar models have been spotted already in at least a couple of different Guitar Centers: LP Standard, LP Studio and SG Standard. They have 2016 on the GC sales tag and "2016 Model" and 16xxx... serial numbers stamped on the back of the headstocks. They appear to be back to old pre-2014 specs and old prices. For example, LP Standard @ $2799 as opposed to the 2015 model @ $3759 with case (before the recent reductions). No headstock scrawl, no zero fret nut, no GForce.
There's hope. If the basses don't return in 2016, at least the prices ought to be more reasonable when they do.
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I just received an email from zzounds.com announcing the 2016 Gibson line-up (because I bought a Gibson BASS from them last year) and one thing that stands out is the title of all but one guitar listings has the word "Traditional" in the title. I just went back to link it and now the word traditional has just become the letter T.
http://www.zzounds.com/lp/gibson-2016-models/255
And it appears that there are no 2016 Gibson basses is because there are still unsold 2013 basses available:
http://www.zzounds.com/prodsearch?cat2%5B0%5D=3549&cat=2407&ob=pop&pa=31&form=search&key=cat
Interesting that the 2014 4-string is sold out and the 2013 is still available. Is the jack placement that big of an issue?
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I saw the 2016 display from American Musical today. There are still some models called Traditional that appear to be different from the T models, so it's hard to tell what's behind the naming, or if they're just trying to emphasize that they've gone back to pre-goofy models.
There are still a handful of unsold 2013 and 2014 guitars out there too. Mostly Memphis and USA Custom, though.
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New article up today on Reverb: Breaking: Gibson to Revert Prices and Specs on 2016 Models (https://reverb.com/blog/breaking-gibson-to-revert-prices-and-specs-on-2016-models)
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Nice! Now they're only overpriced by 50%.
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Really? You can buy a new Les Paul for $899. You think it should be $599?
http://www.zzounds.com/item--GIBLPST5HT16?siid=179710
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That's quite a difference from the 2015 LP Standard. What's so different about the budget model?
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Gig bag instead of a case, and a non-shiney finish as on previous budget models.
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Chrome pickup covers are probably worth a couple hundred bucks on their price model ;)
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Really? You can buy a new Les Paul for $899. You think it should be $599?
http://www.zzounds.com/item--GIBLPST5HT16?siid=179710
Looking at the ZZSounds website, they show one (1) Gibson bass under $1000, and that's the EB at $800. It's a two-pickup passive bass with V/V/T knobs. Maybe this is an $800 bass, as it's directly comparable to a J.
But all the other basses listed are over $1000. A simple SG-style bass is $1427.
REALLY? A bone-simple SG bass is worth $1427 street price?? I can't believe it's worth a single buck more than the EB you linked.
Overpriced? Especially with all the quality control issues discussed here? Yup.
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Defending Gibson is uncool here, I know, but Gibson charges more for SG and TB basses than for fresher designs (already deleted!) because they are their two bass classics in constant production. Let's face it: Anybody buying a TBird (with its limited high register access and less than brilliant ergonomics) or an SG bass (with its short scale and affiliated sound and playing idiosyncracies) wants a TB or an SG bass, and most likely ALSO due to the history behind these models (as well as that not every Joe Blow plays one). So Gibson charges a premium on these - any reasonable maker would.
I will not stand by as this forum tries to abolish capitalism (it's the cow us socialists need for milking after all!!!). To lend a phrase (or two) from our cherished fierce Administrator - never one to mince words - (who in the past has relegated members with his): "Where did you learn that? At Vladimir Lenin High School***?" :mrgreen:
*** I've repeatedly googled it. I don't think the US has - or ever had - one!!! Dave is leading us on for his personal agenda. :-\
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The $899 LP is a satin finish 50s Tribute model at about the same price as 2014. Great deal for the money, for an American-made guitar. Not a Les Paul Standard with a thick figured top, though.
AFAIK the lowest priced US-made Fenders are the American Special Teles and Strats at $999. Lowest priced Gibson is $739.
As for Al's complaint about the Gibson basses, consider that the lowest priced US-made Precision is $1349; lowest priced US-made Jazz is $50 more. Lowest priced MM Sting Ray is $1540. Compared to the 2015 SG Standard Bass at $1427 (now that it has been reduced 15%), I'd say that's right in line. And roughly the same or better than 60s-70s Gibson prices adjusted for inflation.
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I will not stand by as this forum tries to abolish capitalism (it's the cow us socialists need for milking after all!!!). To lend a phrase (or two) from our cherished fierce Administrator - never one to mince words - (who in the past has relegated members with his): "Where did you learn that? At Vladimir Lenin High School***?" :mrgreen:
*** I've repeatedly googled it. I don't think the US has - or ever had - one!!! Dave is leading us on for his personal agenda. :-\
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Henry appreciates your post.
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Well played and answered, gentlemen!
I can't complain too much if a comparable bass sells for similar money in the most directly competitive brand.
Those prices do indicate why Fender has been doing well with MIM basses and the Squier line, and Gibson has been selling Epiphones. It helps if there's a price point for every buyer.
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Dear God! That's a lucid moment for Henry?!?
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Dear God! That's a lucid moment for Henry?!?
Creepy enough for you? Those are stills from that video I posted a while back. At least it doesn't show his eyeballs rolling around.
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Uwe's mention of something I said elsewhere about a dozen years ago was meant as a humorous poke at me. It wasn't an opening to start a political rant. Not gonna happen here. We have members of just about every different view you can imagine, and we respect that.
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As for Al's complaint about the Gibson basses, consider that the lowest priced US-made Precision is $1349; lowest priced US-made Jazz is $50 more. Lowest priced MM Sting Ray is $1540. Compared to the 2015 SG Standard Bass at $1427 (now that it has been reduced 15%), I'd say that's right in line. And roughly the same or better than 60s-70s Gibson prices adjusted for inflation.
And the lowest priced Carvin bass is $999 ($899 on sale today) and can be had in a plethora of finishes. Oh, it is also neck-through ;D
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I am seriously tempted to buy one of those EBs.
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Uwe's mention of something I said elsewhere about a dozen years ago was meant as a humorous poke at me. It wasn't an opening to start a political rant. Not gonna happen here. We have members of just about every different view you can imagine, and we respect that.
I'm programmed to never forget anything you say or write, Dave, and you know that. I read you.
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I am seriously tempted to buy one of those EBs.
This reads suspiciously like a cry for encouragement. 8)
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Which we never do here. Doubleplusnotgood.
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I need to squirt some polish into a rag.......... :-*
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I've tried. Protective fluid or not - it does stain the finish (with no sound influence of course). An acquired taste.
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Uwe's mention of something I said elsewhere about a dozen years ago was meant as a humorous poke at me. It wasn't an opening to start a political rant. Not gonna happen here. We have members of just about every different view you can imagine, and we respect that.
I understand. Difficult subjects draw strong emotional responses and can raise the ire of those holding the opposing views. I'm trying to resist being tiresome yet what I recently read in the liner notes to the film biopic of Edvard Munch by director Peter Watkins rings true. He wrote, and you'll have to excuse me because I must paraphrase, that separating the political from out of the artistic is an impossibility. I would personally go further and exclaim that the reality we all endure is inexorably linked to the political circumstances in which we are subjected to. Please excuse my ranting and I'm sorry it has driven anyone's hand into feeling forced to exercise censorship.
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Never thought about Dave and 2001 before...
Good morning, Dave... oh... so many possibilities... :mrgreen:
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Dave is Hal?
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Uwe thinks he's Hal.
In reality, he only remembers the things I've said that amuse him. For example, that's why he keeps bringing up Gwyneth Paltrow, all because many years ago he called her boring (or something like that) and I disagreed. Naturally, the discussion was in the Gibson forum at the Pit. It drove Dude crazy how we went off topic. Not that we ever do that here. ;D
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UWE (Unter Würdig Ermächtigung) 9000
Best I could do at short notice...
I wonder what the letter-slip would produce - HAL+1 = IBM
UWE+1 - VXF
Von X-ray Frieherr...?
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Uwe thinks he's Hal.
In reality, he only remembers the things I've said that amuse him. For example, that's why he keeps bringing up Gwyneth Paltrow, all because many years ago he called her boring (or something like that) and I disagreed. Naturally, the discussion was in the Gibson forum at the Pit. It drove Dude crazy how we went off topic. Not that we ever do that here. ;D
True, I'm great at remembering things I liked and also great at displacing things I didn't. It's a healthy mix. My family is full of people that dwell on real or perceived injuries endlessly - it drives me nuts.
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My family is full of people that dwell on real or perceived injuries endlessly - it drives me nuts.
My girlfriend called me wilfully ignorant the other day. I told her that firstly I didn't know what that meant, and that, secondly, I could not be bothered to find out either.
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I hear that from Edith all the time too: "You rationalize and relativize any insult and injury against you to a point where you totally remove yourself from it so it doesn't bother you anymore. It's something you must have picked up as a child." Right on, being the sandwich child in a sibling group of three teaches you about the relativity of self-importance. :mrgreen:
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My girlfriend called me wilfully ignorant the other day. I told her that firstly I didn't know what that meant, and that, secondly, I could not be bothered to find out either.
I have a brother who's a Chemical Engineer and tends to live in his own little world.
I've called him a militant apathetic, with the attitude: "I don't care, I don't want to know, and if you try to tell me, I may hit you."
Well, actually he's a sweetheart and a great guy, even if he is sometimes kind of out there.
The other way I explain him is to say he's the kind of guy who might walk into a research lab wearing a lab coat with a sandwich in one pocket and a formaldeheyded frog in the other, and about 3 PM he could pull the sandwich out of his pocket and say "That's funny, I distinctly remember eating lunch."
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Warren Zevon, on being asked about some of the most important things he had learned in life, near his last public appearance, this was his reply...
"Enjoy every sandwich..." rip, Mr Z... ;)
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Or to put it another way, some days you get the sammich, some days you get the frog.
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Ronnie Lane (of Small F, and Faces) once said: Life's a short movie. I usually put these two together, into: "Life's a short movie. Enjoy every sandwich!" (With regards to Mr Lane, and Mr Zevon)
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Enjoy every sandwich? I'll tell Edith that!
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I have been feeling a bit apathetic lately, might have something to do with my 65th birthday being on the near horizon, but here is something that always cheers me up. From the movie In the Good Old Summertime which seems to be a Christmas movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-Q3gd6S1as
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I just passed 65 this June, and I'm more in this mode....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-qUMAtQaQQ
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmOe27SJ3Yc :mrgreen:
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An enviable approach to life, Ken!! 8)
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I've passed 65 and I'm in this relaxed mode. :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh1pvspa0Fs