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Title: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on January 03, 2024, 09:59:56 PM
In the summer of 1963, Please Please Me was played on the radio, at least in Houston. I liked it but had no idea who the Beatles were, or that they were British. Then I saw this film on the Jack Paar show. It's so rarely mentioned that I figured there was no footage of the show available.

But this was uploaded to YT 5 months ago.

https://youtu.be/dYd5oYlutgU
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: westen44 on January 04, 2024, 07:11:02 AM
It doesn't surprise me that it was Jack Paar who was ahead of his time in trying to promote the Beatles.  TCM says of him that he offered a "smart, witty and frequently live-wire alternative to the staid promotional parade that comprised talk and variety shows."
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 04, 2024, 08:00:14 AM
Apparently, they were very popular with girls.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: gearHed289 on January 04, 2024, 08:01:12 AM
Man, that was great to see, thanks Dave!
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: morrow on January 04, 2024, 10:18:26 AM
I’d heard of that , but never seen it.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: westen44 on January 04, 2024, 10:22:27 AM
Apparently, they were very popular with girls.

Then when they came to America, as well as other countries, the reaction was the same with the girls. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrhnuWEHyk0
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Pilgrim on January 04, 2024, 10:51:17 AM
Interesting that Paul is playing with his thumb in much of the She Loves You video, but using a pick at the end of the cut.

Pretty nice quality video for its age!
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: soulman on January 24, 2024, 11:24:26 PM
Those were the days.  I can remember being in Jr HS and rehearsing for a music show featuring choruses from all four schools in our district.  We were on the bus singing Beatles songs on our way back to our own school and our director was leading us in them.  She was a pretty cool lady.  LOL

How many of us owe our own beginnings as rock musicians to the Beatles?
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: westen44 on January 25, 2024, 07:38:54 AM
Those were the days.  I can remember being in Jr HS and rehearsing for a music show featuring choruses from all four schools in our district.  We were on the bus singing Beatles songs on our way back to our own school and our director was leading us in them.  She was a pretty cool lady.  LOL

How many of us owe our own beginnings as rock musicians to the Beatles?

I owe my interest in bass to Paul McCartney.  But I think the time is coming relatively soon when many will say they weren't influenced by the Beatles hardly any or not at all.  Being a Hendrix fan, I've already encountered people who have never heard of him. 
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Pilgrim on January 25, 2024, 08:58:10 AM
I owe my interest in bass to Paul McCartney.  But I think the time is coming relatively soon when many will say they weren't influenced by the Beatles hardly any or not at all.  Being a Hendrix fan, I've already encountered people who have never heard of him.

Not to pick on TB, but that is a place where many impatient young people with little interest in history show up.

The discussions about the impact of the Beatles there reveal a surprising number of people who think they were just some old band that was nothing special. It does boggle the mind of those who lived through that era and know how much they influenced the direction of popular music.

That said,  I remember that nearly 20 years ago one of my friends related overhearing a conversation between two teenagers.  His ears perked when the Beatles were mentioned. The pivotal comments were these:

"...the Beatles? Who are they?

"Aw, that was McCartney's band before he formed Wings."

My friend was still reeling when he told me of that exchange.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: westen44 on January 25, 2024, 09:50:00 AM
Not to pick on TB, but that is a place where many impatient young people with little interest in history show up.

The discussions about the impact of the Beatles there reveal a surprising number of people who think they were just some old band that was nothing special. It does boggle the mind of those who lived through that era and know how much they influenced the direction of popular music.

That said,  I remember that nearly 20 years ago one of my friends related overhearing a conversation between two teenagers.  His ears perked when the Beatles were mentioned. The pivotal comments were these:

"...the Beatles? Who are they?

"Aw, that was McCartney's band before he formed Wings."

My friend was still reeling when he told me of that exchange.

Or even if they have heard of the Beatles, they just don't like them at all.  I've mentioned it in prior posts, but this definitely applied to one of my younger relatives who hated them with a passion.  Or maybe, like you were indicating, some people just misjudge the impact the Beatles had.  Like one guy who started a discussion on how the Beatles were so hyped by the media.  According to him, the main reason people liked them was because the media told them to.  No independent initiative on the part of the fans was ever used.  People just did as they were told. 

It's perfectly okay to like or dislike any band.  But when people start trying to tell me they understand what I'm thinking even more than I do, I have to say that is just ludicrous.  Yet there are people out there who inaccuately second-guess other people all the time.  It seems to be a hobby for some people. 
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: morrow on January 25, 2024, 10:52:47 AM
There’s been nothing even remotely close to Beatlemania since.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 25, 2024, 09:55:15 PM
My mother, born 1930, loved The Beatles, whenever they came on the radio she turned it up loud. When I hear The Beatles, I’m back in my mother’s kitchen.

My elder brother, born 1951, had all these Parlophone singles from them plus the Magical Mystery EP. I was only eight or so, but that Dadaist psychedelic world they created drew me to it.

My dad, born 1931 - though I doubt he ever got as far as being able to tell Lennon and McCartney apart, he just wasn’t really interested in any type of music - at least didn’t dislike The Beatles (nor, strangely, Deep Purple, yet he thought the Stones noisy).

My younger brother, born 1966, prefers Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five to The Beatles, but as a younger brother he’s ineligible as a matter of principle and, anyway, all families have black sheep. ;D

I’m no Beatles connoisseur (though I have all their released boxed sets) and I have only seen Macca once live, but to me to this day there is The Beatles and then there are all other rock and pop bands. They have a solitary status for me. And while this might sound trite, there has never been a time in my life when Sgt Pepper has not been an desert island album of mine. And my favorite Macca bass line is, yes, the one in Silly Love Songs - its bubbliness encapsulates the man. As Ian Paice once said: “Paul McCartney is the only bass player who can play a two-step bass to a rock song and it won’t sound like Country & Western at all.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on January 25, 2024, 11:25:44 PM
There’s been nothing even remotely close to Beatlemania since.

Taylor Swift?

At least the Beatles could sing without autotune.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 26, 2024, 03:43:31 AM
I dare intervene that had autotune been around from 1963 onward, George Martin would have had very little qualms using it to patch up things in places. His production methods were never about getting a sound that could be reproduced live (especially back then), far from it.

Taylor ain’t The Beatles, but she is able to strike a chord with a lot of people for by now already some considerable time. My main issue with her oeuvre is that her songwriting over the duration of a full album gets samey quickly (add to that how it is not really rock guitar music, I know I’m revealing my age …). That is something that was remarkable about The Beatles, the sheer variety of what they + George Martin did, yet always being recognizable.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: morrow on January 26, 2024, 05:54:46 AM
The screaming and hysteria , nothing like Beatlemania before or since. The complete fashion change. I was in Jr High and everything changed after the Ed Sullivan show. Immediately.
The arse fell out of the Brylcreem market overnight.
And about every two months there was a new single , and a new LP a month or so after that. And here in Canada the singles were generally not on the LP.
They were a machine churning new material.

It was an amazing time.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on January 26, 2024, 05:57:59 AM
I don't doubt he would have used it in the studio if it had been available and if it would have helped him to do what he wanted. But the Beatles could sing live without it. Taylor Swift apparently can't.

Still, I don't begrudge her success. She makes her fans happy, and that's fine by me.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 26, 2024, 06:13:52 AM
Taylor didn't have the training of those six sets a night in the Hamburg red-light-district!

I also believe that the auto-tune sound has by now become de rigueur for certain types of music just like distortion belongs to rock guitar though it was initially unwanted by producers.

But I get you, Taylor is at best an ok singer. She is no Whitney or Mariah who had - no matter what you think of their image and music - one-of-kind singing ability.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Pilgrim on January 26, 2024, 02:16:52 PM
Taylor didn't have the training of those six sets a night in the Hamburg red-light-district!

I also believe that the auto-tune sound has by now become de rigueur for certain types of music just like distortion belongs to rock guitar though it was initially unwanted by producers.

But I get you, Taylor is at best an ok singer. She is no Whitney or Mariah who had - no matter what you think of their image and music - one-of-kind singing ability.

I guess I'm missing something - what are the tipoffs to someone using autotune?  Not sure what to listen for.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: 4stringer77 on January 26, 2024, 02:33:33 PM
I guess I'm missing something - what are the tipoffs to someone using autotune?  Not sure what to listen for.

Check out T-Pain. The Cher song "Believe"is another good example.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Ken on January 26, 2024, 02:46:27 PM
I don't remember if it was here that I recently posted this (sorry if it's a repeat), but though I can't name one Taylor Swift song, I find this fascinating.

https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/taylor-swift-new-eddie-van-halen
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 26, 2024, 05:09:07 PM
I guess I'm missing something - what are the tipoffs to someone using autotune?  Not sure what to listen for.


You've heard it a million times, there is no escaping it, you've been hearing it for almost 30 years. It's not just a pitch correction, it smoothens the vocal sound and gives it that digital, artificial sheen. It also takes away expression and mojo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFAjC7iD1xY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IV29YNTH3M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxX2u8iggYI

But let's not forget: Not every artist using autotune can't sing, a lot of them just consider that airey, artificial and smoothened sound de rigueur for a modern pop production.

Rob Halford can no doubt sing/scream in tune and with control,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhH7wFpcqvI&t=9s
(recorded in 1989 in pre-autotune days)

yet he is one of the few old guard singers who admits that he uses electronic pitch control live which corrects his singing up to a quarter note (half a half step). He says it gives him less to worry about on an off night and he doesn't want to disappoint people who have paid for a good show. Now crucify him for that.

Re Taylor: I don't think that autotune is the key to her success. She can hold a note though her girlie voice won't win no charisma prize doing it. But even her fans don't rate her as this great singer, Taylor is loved because her fans find her lyrics about (essentially) relationships, struggles and self-doubt relatable, she is everyone's big (wealthy) sister you can ask for advice and help if things aren't running smoothly in your life because she sings about her hiccups too.

That said, I'm no fan of what autotune does to the overall characteristic of a voice, it's like a blender into which you pour your strawberries and cherries for some supposedly delicious mush coming out of it. I prefer my strawberries or cherries whole, even with a little worm once in a while. Yet people love their blenders in the kitchen, don't they?

I'm philosophical about the whole thing: What makes sense for the hit of a dance act where no other instrument is "natural" either, need not apply to Nick Cave. Horses for courses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrxePKps87k
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on January 26, 2024, 11:41:23 PM
I don't remember if it was here that I recently posted this (sorry if it's a repeat), but though I can't name one Taylor Swift song, I find this fascinating.

https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/taylor-swift-new-eddie-van-halen

You can hear an excerpt right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aLYvZ5sX28
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 27, 2024, 04:43:14 AM
Is Dave really taking a measured stance here? ;D
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on January 27, 2024, 05:58:16 PM
Here's her unedited vocal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNoKguSdy4Y&t=163
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 27, 2024, 06:40:17 PM
Seriously, with her productions the AutoTune is a stylistic means to achieve a certain sound, just like those looped computerized beats and the layered synths. That doesn’t mean I like it, it’s as samey as a Motörhead album and I can never tell her songs apart. She’s 33 now, why she insists on having her voice squeezed through a blender so she sounds like an electronically enhanced 16-year-old instead of a young grown-up woman is beyond me.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Ken on January 27, 2024, 08:48:19 PM
Is Dave really taking a measured stance here? ;D

It's his bleating heart.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on January 27, 2024, 09:55:45 PM
Seriously, with her productions the AutoTune is a stylistic means to achieve a certain sound, just like those looped computerized beats and the layered synths. That doesn’t mean I like it, it’s as samey as a Motörhead album and I can never tell her songs apart. She’s 33 now, why she insists on having her voice squeezed through a blender so she sounds like an electronically enhanced 16-year-old instead of a young grown-up woman is beyond me.

When that song came out, she was a lot closer to 16 than 33. It's an oldie.

It's his bleating heart.

Baaaa!
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 28, 2024, 06:58:52 AM
Dave has obviously never forgiven her for turning her back on “Real Country”. Stuff like that weighs heavy with him, the ultimate sin.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on January 28, 2024, 10:56:02 PM
Any association between Taylor Swift and country music is purely coincidental. She just used the trappings of country in her stage act.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 31, 2024, 06:17:51 AM
AutoTune, being a Country & Western role mole, working undercover for the Pentagon, rigging the Super Bowl and - shock, gasp, horror! - getting Swifties to vote, man, this psychological operative disguised as a woman does it all! One wonders when she finds the time to apply her trademark Soviet-Red lipstick?

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/jan/31/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-super-bowl-rightwing-conspiracy-biden

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKCmxyohzww

Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Ken on January 31, 2024, 07:02:01 AM
https://pagesix.com/2024/01/31/entertainment/travis-kelce-congratulates-taylor-swift-for-making-super-bowl-in-rookie-year/
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 31, 2024, 07:07:05 AM
I'm for referring to them both comprehensively as Traylor from now on.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Ken on January 31, 2024, 07:08:41 AM
Haha.  That could go in some interesting directions.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 31, 2024, 07:15:27 AM
Yup, rhymes with traitor ... some people would be having a (football) field day.

(https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/Swb9mEgBk7avJ3GG2MYC/Swb9mEgBk7avJ3GG2MYC--1--j6j57.jpg?tr=w-1600,c-at_max)
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Ken on January 31, 2024, 07:16:23 AM
People would definitely go "Traylor Trash" on it.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on January 31, 2024, 07:20:03 AM
She's not Britney!  8)
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on February 01, 2024, 12:05:27 AM
Yeah, the bright red lipstick is just gross.

Traylor? Why not Tavis?

One of the mods over at MyLesPaul started calling her Trailer Hitch a couple of years back. That's stuck.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on February 01, 2024, 02:50:12 AM
Besides being a Deep State Operative, she has billions if not trillions of bugs on her conscience, no joke.

https://www.preventivepesthouston.com/blog/2021/february/is-red-lipstick-made-from-bugs-/#:~:text=The%20female%20cochineal%20bugs%20are,resemble%20anything%20of%20its%20origin.

Probably only Paul Stanley beats her, he's been doing it for longer, not the Deep State work, the lipstick I mean.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-4oAAOSwd~Fe4tK5/s-l1200.webp)


https://www.gq.com/story/kiss-paul-stanley-makeup-face
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on February 01, 2024, 10:45:51 PM
Paul Stanley is gross and creepy. Probably has been since infanthood.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on February 02, 2024, 05:53:11 AM
Nope, I don't agree. He's a drama queen and clamoring for attention + validation, not unusual for a half-deaf kid with a disfigured ear ( ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtia ) with insecurities that elevated himself to arena rock god status. But gross or creepy?

(https://i.redd.it/kpo6q1tsj0871.png)

(https://i.redd.it/3fholppscqm91.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/80/97/33/809733fb60eef1a1a0ab36b9a0a92ca3.jpg)

Stanley Bert Eisen seems very much the Inwood Hill/Upper Manhattan nice middle class Jewish kid to me. His mom Eva was German btw, born 1923 in Berlin, she and her parents and grandparents had to flee from Germany in 1935 and via Czechoslovakia and The Netherlands made it to the US in 1940, four months before Germany invaded The Netherlands. Talk about timely moves.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on February 02, 2024, 07:18:25 AM
Ugh. Even grosser and creepier than I thought. And why would I care about his disfigured half-deaf ear or his family background?
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on February 02, 2024, 08:15:24 AM
Because it might have to do something with the person he is/became? Just sayin'.

Not entirely sure what there is about Paul Stanley's persona to get worked up about. Always the guy with the still mass-compatible androgyny (yet steadfastly ungay) within Kiss, I find him entirely uncreepy. You can say "(i) His singing is affected and he yells too much. (ii) He prances around on stage. (iii) And his guitar playing is rudimentary." But other than that? For a person of his fame, his private life has been largely secluded and scandal-free.

And he's very humble. Weren't you the guy that joked about his use of the word 'okay' in Love Gun

I really love you, baby
I love what you've got
Let's get together
We can get hot

No more tomorrow, baby
Time is today
Girl, I can make you feel
Okay


as somewhat, well, understated?  :mrgreen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSoAskNPOpg
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: 4stringer77 on February 02, 2024, 10:02:44 AM
I suppose if you had a fear of clowns, that could cross over to making Kiss creepy. There was also the scene in that documentary where Stanley was in the bed with multiple women while being interviewed. I can see how that might creep some out. Not wearing a shirt on stage over the age of 50 seems a little creepy to me.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on February 02, 2024, 10:05:04 AM
No matter how many videos or pics you post, it's definitely not going to change my mind.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on February 02, 2024, 04:16:52 PM
Dave Harrumphenheimer ...
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on February 03, 2024, 04:06:22 AM
Dave Harrumphenheimer ...

How did we get from the Beatles on Jack Paar to you trying to publicly browbeat me into liking someone I'll never, ever like? Please, give it a rest!

Back on track.

These guys have potential.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nz2bD2owDM
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on February 03, 2024, 07:29:47 AM
I’m with you, the Beatles are better than KISS musically.

No browbeating intended, no one needs to like the music of KISS, but you said Herr Eisen is “gross and creepy”, that didn’t strike me as a comment on his vocal, instrumental or songwriting capabilities.

Re the vid: If Paul had played a Fender P, he would have never developed that trademark “bopping around” with his Höffie which as an instrument never really sits still.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on February 03, 2024, 08:59:37 AM
Jesus. Give it a rest! No "buts!" Stop bringing it up!
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Ken on February 11, 2024, 09:25:02 PM
So I guess now the conspiracy theorists are going to claim that Biden and Taylor Swift fixed the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on February 11, 2024, 10:14:45 PM
Seems like it, the teams
Taylor roots for always win
- even when things don't look
great at half-time -, that's
kinda reassuring.
:popcorn:

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(https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-23-2015/BUGLV3.gif)
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Pilgrim on February 12, 2024, 10:50:05 AM
So I guess now the conspiracy theorists are going to claim that Biden and Taylor Swift fixed the Super Bowl.

That would be good. It will give them something to put time into instead of focusing on screwing up the country.
Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: uwe on February 12, 2024, 07:54:46 PM
Upstanding & intrepid citizens are already uncovering the truth about the forces behind the inoculator and his lesbian 'gf' at 02:43 and 03:43:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5LPbd1X0Xc


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/d8/f8/4cd8f85a28da1d7e24b037435378c2c0.gif)



Title: Re: The Beatles on Jack Paar
Post by: Dave W on February 12, 2024, 08:03:13 PM
Now we're getting into politics. This thread has definitely run its course.