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Gear Discussion Forums => Bill's Shop: Projects, Mods & Repairs => Topic started by: Christine on August 16, 2018, 05:33:43 AM
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Oh no, it's her again! :angel:
Time to move on to the next builds, very much in the planning stage but this is where I'm at: Broadly they will be based on the Gibson Thunderbird which is as we'll all agree the sexiest bass on the planet, and that statement is beyond contestation, Moses had it as the 11th commandment but that bit broke off when the stone tablet toppled over and.. yeah well, it's a popular myth like many others :)
Through neck with the traditional Gibson Vee joint to the wings. Neck angle will be 4'5 degrees.
Trussrod, probably a double action again but this time with a spoke wheel adjustment at the heel to save weight and strength at the headstock
Fretboards will be Rocklite Ebano but there is a possibility one might be made from Satinwood as a treat for me :)
Pickups, one Mike Lull neck pickup ala Thunderbird II
Bridge looks like being a Warwick again but with a different tail piece/stopbar, a screw in one not one held by inserts. I'm having difficulty finding one at the moment so I mat well end up making my own and getting it chromed.
Headstock, well I think it will be a modified version of the one on the twins but with features of the Thunderbird standard.
Tuners? Probably Hipshot Ultralites again but possibly with the modern Y shape rather than the clover leave given the probable shape of the headstock.
Wood will be African Mahogany again, it's already sat in the workshop waiting.
So there we have it, I'm just waiting for my foot to get better as I've damaged it again then I'll be on it but I shall probably get it all drawn out early next week and hopefully the neck laminate ripped up to settle. I have a few ideas to hopefully improve on the original design slightly, not easy because the original was so good despite the knocking it gets
Oh and as you may have guessed from the title, I'm building three of them :)
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OOoooOooOoh :-o
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Righteous! Does the FireDragon moniker indicate you plan on finishing them all in some shade of red? That would be hot if you do. :popcorn:
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Righteous! Does the FireDragon moniker indicate you plan on finishing them all in some shade of red? That would be hot if you do. :popcorn:
Yes, well at least one of them, I want a red one for myself the one that might have the Satinwood fretboard, that will definitely be transparent red, the other two? Don't know yet I'm waiting for inspiration.
The name FireDragon has been sort of nicked from the Thunderbird's sister the Firebird mixed obviously with my Dragons
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:popcorn: :toast:
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Can anybody get me airfare to Wales? I've always wanted to go, and I think I NEED to play some of these!
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Eagerly waiting for these builds. :P
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Not much of a start but this is the wood I have in for these builds, messy workshop, I will have a good clean up before I start work again. I'm going to call CapitalCrispin on Monday and see what they can do in the way of constructional veneers for use as contrasting laminates in the neck. Gibson use Walnut or black Walnut as it's known in the UK but I'm tempted to go for something like Beech or Maple/Sycamore. Again Gibson use four Walnut laminates, I think I'm going to add another one dead centre to make it a total of 11 laminates for the centre section
So without further ado.... the wood!! Doesn't look like three new basses does it?
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I got a little done today, just prep work. Ripped up the neck laminates and took a bit of wood off the wing blanks with the planer/thicknesser. There are a couple of patches on the wing wood that are a bit plain looking so they will go into mine as that will be veneered so it will never be seen. I've stacked them on sticks to breath and settle for a few days until the constructional veneers arrive (which I'll order tomorrow)
I did re stack the wing blanks better than that, I just laid them out like that to show you
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One of the nice things sometimes about making thing on spec is being able to change your mind and I think I'm just about to do that. I think this morning you have to imagine a me digging a pair of high heels into the ground and doing a U turn, what is she going on about you may ask?
The trouble with buying Mahogany is sometimes you look at a board when buying it and it looks wonderful, just what you need but once you plane it clean it looks, well, just dull and sometimes you see a board and think straight grained and uninteresting, it will be ideal for framing (being a furniture maker) and you plane it resolving a surface that blows you away! As I said yesterday, the wood for the wings isn't quite what I hoped for, it's OK but not what I hoped for. After sleeping on it, the thought not the wood I have come to the conclusion that for a hand made bass with my mark on it, it's not really good enough, as a timber it's good but just visually no.
I had already decided that my bass in this trio would have a quilted Maple veneer on the front with a candy apple red burst fading into transparent red spray job with a Satinwood fretboard. Now I have already ordered the Rocklite Ebano fretboards for the other two, so I don't think Maple is the right wood for those, just wrong to me somehow, a contrast too far. I have decided then to veneer the fronts of the other two in Macassar Ebony and possibly the backs too depending on the final shape of them and thickness.
You may be and quite rightly be thinking two things at this moment, the first being why not use a solid laminated top not a veneer; well the solid top introduces a distinct lamination which is a tone changer and that I don't want to do, there is nothing wrong with the tone on a thunderbird as is and it will mean cutting quite heavily into the centre piece of the body. Whilst that isn't a bad thing depending on how you design it but on a Thunderbird type thing? The other and more pertinent here is veneering a white of black wood which is only 0.6mm thick onto a red wood is going to look a little odd as well as having some vulnerable edges. How do we get around that, well we hide it somehow, we could use a binding, which I've been mulling over for a while. Imaging a Thunderbird with a decorative binding, it would be like seeing Joan Jett in a pink tutu! The other way is to blend it into the radius of the edges of the body so it is smooth and then paint over it as a burst so the edges are hidden, better I think? So that is the way I'm going, a candy apple red (over gold) for me and a black burst for the other two.
So now we have a new plan, not what I envisaged but I think it's better than my original and certainly adds a different look to a classic design. I am open to discussion on the colour of the burst on the Ebony pair if you feel you have a better idea :)
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So what has been happening in the land of dragons and ladies in tall black hats today?
Following on from stacking wood yesterday afternoon I realised all my stacking sticks had disappeared, so I made some more and restacked my stash :) A word about stacking wood for those who don't know or want to know how to stack wood properly. Basically it needs to be on a flat service top of accurately machined battens (sticks) with all subsequent battens on top of the last so there is no bending load on the timber. This lets it breath and settle without added strain
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After that, well there wasn't much I could do but I had a look for some Satinwood fretboard blanks I hid about 15 years ago for this very build or more accurately dream of a build. Then I gave it a bit of a plane to check how it looked, the answer was great. Satinwood is hard and interlocked, it is the most difficult wood I have ever worked with, thankfully this piece wasn't too bad but the face will just be routed then sanded to shape so it won't be a problem. Then I had a hunt through some old bandsaw cut veneers to use for binding and blocks for the fretboard. This is them with a wipe of white spirit on them to give an idea of how they will look
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Out of interest to those who think wood isn't really that absorbent. That veneer was 2.76mm thick as you can see but if you look at the back you can see how the white spirit has soaked through the spring growth
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Quite amazing don't you think?
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Once I'd selected the piece I ripped off 2 8mm strips for use as binding and kept an off cut to use for inlay blocks. I marked a pencil line down one side for orientation while working with the piece, then I ripped it to the width of the widest block (19th), planed the edge marked it then sawed off the inlay with an old (yes I mean old LOL) Ulmina mitre saw and then ripped the blank down to the width of the next widest inlay (the 17th), planed it and so on. This will give me consecutive inlay blocks from the same piece, I doubt it matters but that's how I like to work so that's how it happens
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And just for fun :)
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Pardon my extreme ignorance, not being a builder, but is a burst finish on ebony a subtle visual effect, or what? I can't visualize the color options. Or I guess if the bright section of the burst is opaque paint, like the "yellowburst" lpb1 I have, then why use ebony? or any veneer for that matter?
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I'm only using the opaque part of the burst to hide the colour change between the veneer and the solid Mahogany as it gets blended in on the top edge of the curve at the edge of the body. So it will be a very small solid colour (black?) extending only about 1" into the top face and only one colour. The Macassar Ebony has some paler stripes in it as well as not being quite black so the burst will be quite subtle but still noticeable.
A bit like the attached file/picture if it works
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Oh cool! Thanks for the explanation n. looks pretty!
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Today I cut the fret slots on the three fretboards. I also inlaid the Rosewood blocks and fitted them, being wood they could be radiused the same time as the fretboard without worry. I've included a sequence photo of my marking procedure as a reminder but a full description can be found on the Les Paul Twins thread. After that I dimensioned the board and bound it.
Once that was all dry I started to radius it, initially I was going to use my jig for the router but I was out of other things to do today so I thought I'd have a go with the radius sanding block. It took 15 minuted to shape but I actually preferred that method, I felt a lot more in control of the amount of wood removed and it was easy to keep putting the straight edge on to check it was flat. I don't think it was an awful lot quicker either. Anyway, it was sanded down to 320 grit and thoroughly cleaned before slapping a bit of Teak oil on it. I have tried to photograph the figuring of the Satinwood, it's very difficult but it is truly stunning in the flesh, you can see how it got it's name.
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Well that looks great .Nice seeing the grain there.
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I really like that board with the binding inlay match.
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Oooh.... I like the looks of the dark block inlays on a blond neck, and that is indeed really nice wood!
I want a bird with a neck like that!
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It's been a full day but a fruitful one
The Cherry constructional veneers were due to arrive this morning so I set out on a quest to get the necks glued. I planed, squared up and thicknessed the outer thick laminates, then thicknessed the inner Mahogany laminates. Just as I was finishing the veneers arrived :) I ordered enough for three necks but I was sent enough for seven, a bit of a misunderstanding somewhere, well they won't go to waste. I ripped those up into strips on the circular saw with an 80tpi blade.
Then after lunch I used a bench plane to clean up all the glueing surfaces, if you remember from the Les Paul build I don't consider a surface straight from the planer to be suitable for glueing, that's just me perhaps, it is done daily by many woodworkers without issue. After that (yes I was tired!) I glued them up, I changed glues for this, let me explain why. Titebond although it is considered the industry standard and with good cause it has a very short open time before it becomes less than ideal. As I had twenty surfaces to glue up in one go I needed a glue with a long open time, I chose Cascamite, a Urea formaldehyde glue, it's a powdered glue you mix with water, it is a very ridgid glue which has less tendency to "slip" when set than aliphatics so you can argue it is better for laminated neck
s but it will be no worse. It isn't an ideal glue for other aspects of luthery whilst it would be fantastic for glueing set necks you wouldn't want to use it because it is very very water resistant, you could never ever get it off again without a saw.
So anyway, glue, clamps and three necks glued up :) The last picture is the aftermath of the day in the workshop, I am far too tired to sweep it up this evening, a job for the morning I think
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The difference in colour on the laminates is because some are planed and some sawn, they are all identical really :)
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Tomorrows first job!
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Today I worked on the other two fretboards, I'm using 8mm mother of pearl dots, this believe it or not is the very first time I have used them, how simple are they!! Drill and fit, sand and job done. I cut the boards to size and started to think about binding them, I bought a couple of rolls of plastic binding for them but decided to use Sycamore (very like Maple) instead, so I did and very nice it looks too. They've had a coat of Lemon oil and they'll get a couple more over the next few days. I also cleaned up the neck blanks, I think Cherry was a good choice, more subtle than the Gibson laminates
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I built another Thunderbird today :-*
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That's one way to improve a pie! Sweet or savory?
The sycamore binding looks sharp. Cherry seems like an unexpected choice in a neck. I normally think of the North American type as a very soft wood almost on the same level as pine in that regard. What type of cherry are you using?
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That's one way to improve a pie! Sweet or savory?
The sycamore binding looks sharp. Cherry seems like an unexpected choice in a neck. I normally think of the North American type as a very soft wood almost on the same level as pine in that regard. What type of cherry are you using?
Steak and Haggis :) The speckles in the pastry is cheese
It's actually slightly more dense and harder wood than Honduras Mahogany but the same density as the African Mahogany but slightly more flexible. I chose it for the colour rather than any physical properties, the Cascamite glue on 10 glue lines will add a lot of stiffness and I am fitting 4mm carbon rods in there too so the neck will be plenty strong (I hope!!)
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That sounds simply delectable. It's a shame things like that aren't more prevalent around New England. As for your cherry, it seems the European variety is much harder than the American black cherry. I'm guessing you're more likely to have gotten the European cherry in Wales rather than the Black Cherry. Good luck with the rest of the build and Bon Appétit.
https://www.wood-database.com/sweet-cherry/
https://www.wood-database.com/black-cherry/
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I'm using 8mm mother of pearl dots, this believe it or not is the very first time I have used them, how simple are they!! Drill and fit, sand and job done.
Your wood block inlays are awesome, but I've always been a fan of plain old MOP dots. Everything is looking great so far!
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I like the sycamore binding.
American black cherry isn't in the same league as hard maple, but it's noticeably harder and stiffer than genuine mahogany.
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I fitted the side dots on the fretboards today, I remembered this time :) I also played around with the headstock design, basically it's the same as on the Twins but with an extra bit on the end with a Tbird feel to it. It's shorter, will be thinner, with the truss adjustment at the other end of the neck and Ultralites it should be less heavy than the Gibson. Also being the same basic design as the Twins the inlays will fit well too. On the subject of inlays, I made a start on the first dragon today too
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A better look at the headstock design
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That will be lighter, too...less prone to neck dive. ;D
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Dragons...? Red dragons...? (typical Welsh... :mrgreen:)
Just an FYI... Peter Cook went the opposite with my thunderbird... the through neck is a three-piece construction of mahogany and the fretboard is bound ebony...
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Short and sweet then, I resumed cutting dragons but found out that the rest of my mother of pearl was a lot thinner, yes I know I could step my routing but that is bound to end up in disaster so I have ordered a load more pearl from good old ebay, should be here in a couple of weeks ( I know!!) . After doing what I could I moved on the the letters using Abalone, I got all three done but as yet they are all loose and need sticking down onto paper for easy placement
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Dragons...? Red dragons...? (typical Welsh... :mrgreen:)
Just an FYI... Peter Cook went the opposite with my thunderbird... the through neck is a three-piece construction of mahogany and the fretboard is bound ebony...
Do you have a picture? I'd love to see.
I went with a 3 piece laminate for the becks on the twins too but this time I just wanted the multi laminate just for the interest of the look
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Today I have been wearing a woolly jumper and socks, where has summer gone?!?!
I heard back from Thomann regarding the bridges I'd ordered that had become out of stock and it seems they have two and will have the third in this week so now I know 100% what bridge I'll be using I can work out the neck angle, seeing as it is the same bridge at the twins it will be 4.3 degrees, easy :) Now some of you may have noticed that my neck blanks were just 50mm thick and less after cleaning up the other day so not thick enough for a through neck at that angle, well done for spotting that LOL but the good news is that it has been planned that way. What I hear you cry!
The idea is that I mark the body angle in relationship to the neck from the point where the fretboard meets the body, that gives me a nice wedge across the back of the neck that gets sawn off and yes you've got it, I glue that back on underneath and I have perfect colour match and grain very close too. There will be a small fingerprint of the lamination where that wedge ends once it's cleaned up but that's OK because it will be getting veneered, how could I of avoided that, by moving the fretboard further up the blank and making the offcut thicker and longer but I didn't really see the point of doing that this time. So marked up and then I had a good look at my bandsaw, made sure the table/blade were square to each other, made sure the guide bearings were properly adjusted then I cut them down the line. I planed the surfaces up and made sure they were square then glued the bit's up making sure the combined thickness was about 43.5mm which leaves me a little cleaning room before veneering which will bring them theoretically back up to 44mm but that won't actually be the case as there will be some shaping on the back eventually.
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Today I worked on the headstocks. First job was to rip down the length of the neck blank to thin them down leaving a slightly thicker bit under the position of the nut for a volute. The offcuts from that was then planed down to 12mm. Then I marked the 14 degree angle from the back edge of the nut which is the intended position of the top of the mahogany part of the headstock, the black face goes on top again. I then marked the angle 12mm back from that, as in a parallel line to the top line 12mm away.
I then cut just outside that line with the bandsaw and then planed the two pieces together to create the scarf joint. After that I glued them all together. Relatively straight forward day really
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Today I didn't do much. I cleaned up the top of the scarf joints with a nice sharp plane. Then I used the circular saw to cut off the wedge of body under the neck that was parallel with the neck not the body before planing it all flat. Finally I cut out the bridge recess with a router. As yet I haven't found a suitable tail piece to suit the body of the Dragons so I have decided to make my own, this will need setting in too but until I get them semi made I don't know what size the recess will need to me
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It's been a bit of a weird day, I worked quite hard but there isn't much to show for it.
First job was to rout out the two slots for the carbon rods, I'm using quite thin rods 4 x 4mm rather than 4 x 8mm, I sank these down to 9mm and glued them in place with CA then used a filler on top to bed them in. After that I turned to fitting the truss rods, I'm using a traditional rod, I got some with the spoke wheel adjuster from StewMac, I'm not over impressed with the anchor, being a drilled rod it sets the truss itself a little low for my taste but it is still good. I didn't have a jig so much of the day went into making that. Once I'd made it I routed the slots but had to stop there, so first job tomorrow will be to fit the anchor and spoke wheel before setting them in permanently although I might actually leave that but until later on after veneering the body section
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Big change of plan, I'm building these with a zero fret but I've decided against it. After a bit of a think and a play I think I can get by without removing the headstocks. I'm going to shallow the angle of the face a tiny bit which will shorten it by a couple of mm and add a tiny wedge under the gap backing onto the nut and that I think will do with no real consequences, it will also give more support to the nut
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I cut the rest of the truss rod slots to hold the anchor and the spokewheel. I cut out the rough shape of the neck and lastly I sorted out some veneers for the centre section. The Maple veneer is the bit for my bass and the other two are getting Macassar Ebony. Note the triangle drawn on the veneer, a useful way of getting orientation and alignment on the wings later on. The veneers were pressed in my vacuum press, I'll leave them there until about 8 tonight then take them ot so they can fully dry by morning
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A busy day, I'm getting too old for all this, I'm looking forward to a holiday in a couple of weeks :)
First job was to tidy up the veneers, trim the edges, open out the bridge recess and cut out the bit where the fretboards fit. I then cut the truss rods to size, threaded the ends and fitted the anchors, I flattened the threads to lock the anchors and I wrapped the rods in cling film to stop them getting glued in place, I also greased the adjusting threads with copperslip.. After that I fitted them and glued in the filler strip. When dry I planed that down and fitted the small wedge to go under the headstock veneer. Then I trimmed the headstock to shape and stuck on the veneers. Finally for the day I fretted the Satinwood board so that can be glued on tomorrow
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I forgot yesterdays updates, I think I'm getting overwhelmed with all the feedback :P
I finished sticking frets into the other two fretboards first thing. Then I shaped the headstock veneers and drilled the holes for the tuners.. Lastly I finished off the dragon inlays as my order for more pearl arrived yesterday. Tomorrows job will be inlaying those. I'll be glad to see that job out of the way, it always seems a process prone to the likelihood of flamingoing up
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Today was inlaying, joy!! :P
Briefly, bottom of the design stuck onto masking tape, masking tape on top of headstock. Masking tape to masking tape superglue the inlay in place
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Scribe around the design with a sharp marker, I used a scalpel but I'm sure there is a better tool for this than that. Pull off the surrounding masking tape to make sure you've scribed everywhere
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Pare off the inlay with a chisel then rout out the design, I forgot to photo this but I used a Dremel, a 1mm bit for the outline and a 3mm bit for the bulk of the waste. I tend with dark woods like this to actually rout half and half through the line leaving something like a 0.5mm gap all around which in reality means some places it's tight and in others there's 1mm gap. Then I mixed epoxy with dust saved from sanding the fretboards and glued them all in with plenty oozing out, messy but in this case it doesn't matter as we are grain filling the lot afterwards and the black on black won't show once it's sprayed.
(https://www.basschat.co.uk/uploads/monthly_2018_09/IMG_5396.thumb.jpg.e811b4aa8400f70ab16db826ab3016e2.jpg)
Sand it all off once dry and see how it looks, there are still some voids that need filling, they have been cleaned out and done but they're being left now for a cople of days, I'm having a day off tomorrow :)
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Wow, I have'nt been here for some days so quite a few updates to study. Keep 'em coming! Nice progress and work well done. Very impressive!
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Fascinating stuff!
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We called Bassdirect today to find out where the pickups we ordered were, turns out they sold the last one nearly two weeks ago the same day as I ordered mine and they haven't bothered getting in touch with Mike Lull until after the call earlier. Am I impressed with that you might ask? 2 - 3 weeks they say, bet it's 4 - 5, I'm in half a mind to cancel and use Mojos, I really really hate shoddy service, I suspect that will be my first and last order with them, not happy! Considering Andy's experience getting his Nordies in for Len's beautiful bass I shall expect a toilet roll in the post on the first shipment! (can you tell I'm a little cross?)
It's put me back badly, I was hoping to have these sprayed by the time we went on holiday next week so they would be dry when we got back after four weeks but that is out of the window big style. I would have minded less if they had actually ordered one for me when they went out of stock over two weeks ago when I ordered, not when we phoned up to ask what was happening. I think they will have to try hard to get me back on side now, plenty of other suppliers out there!
Yesterday was a day off, first of a few I think, today I gave the headstocks a sanding and bevelled the edges. I then gave them a coat of sanding sealer (with a brush) before grain filling, after that I gave them another coat of sealer and glued on the fretboards after running a file down the frets to get the ends flush with the binding?
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Absolutely MAGNIFICENT!!! I can't wait to see theses birds fly!
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They need wings, I don't know whether to wait for the pickups first or not before making them
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I'm no luthier... but it seems to me that, since the pups themselves are housed entirely in the center neck-thru section, that wing making in advance shouldn't be a problem. Other than routing for wires, there's no other involvement between the pickups & the wings, is there?
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Are you gonna get Lulls from somewhere else or find something else?
Back in the day there were basically no vintage-style bird pickups available unless you lucked into a secondhand original or Chandler.
Now we have Lull, Thunderbucker, and those cheap Chinese ones, and maybe more that i'm forgetting? Times have changed!
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Are you gonna get Lulls from somewhere else or find something else?
Back in the day there were basically no vintage-style bird pickups available unless you lucked into a secondhand original or Chandler.
Now we have Lull, Thunderbucker, and those cheap Chinese ones, and maybe more that i'm forgetting? Times have changed!
My list of known Thunderbird pickup manufacturers includes Gibson/Epi, Lull, Lollar, ThunderBucker, Duncan, "China" (for lack of a better or more specific term), EMG, Bartolini, Nordstrand and Mojo Tone has a new one that I'm anxious to hear. This obviously doesn't include any of the custom shop hand-wound options that exist. :)
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Are you gonna get Lulls from somewhere else or find something else?
Back in the day there were basically no vintage-style bird pickups available unless you lucked into a secondhand original or Chandler.
Now we have Lull, Thunderbucker, and those cheap Chinese ones, and maybe more that i'm forgetting? Times have changed!
I'll wait now, trouble with being in the UK is the import duty so getting Lulls from anywhere else is silly money. The only other choice here are Mojo's but I can only order those on the first of the month give or take a day so it's another 2 months before I'm in a position to order from them so I'l just have to put up with shoddy customer service this time. I'm furious, can you tell >:(
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I'm new here at LBO, and saw this thread of your builds.
Stunning work!!!
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My list of known Thunderbird pickup manufacturers includes Gibson/Epi, Lull, Lollar, ThunderBucker, Duncan, "China" (for lack of a better or more specific term), EMG, Bartolini, Nordstrand and Mojo Tone has a new one that I'm anxious to hear. This obviously doesn't include any of the custom shop hand-wound options that exist. :)
ThunderBuckers are custom wound to many different spec unlike the others mentioned. One guy, many pickups. Now available in a single coil configuration in addition to 63, 66, and S in 4, 5, 8/10/12 string variations.
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Today was inlaying, joy!! :P
Briefly, bottom of the design stuck onto masking tape, masking tape on top of headstock. Masking tape to masking tape superglue the inlay in place
(https://www.basschat.co.uk/uploads/monthly_2018_09/IMG_5393.thumb.jpg.6313392c236110fb62a805dadd3a868b.jpg)
Scribe around the design with a sharp marker, I used a scalpel but I'm sure there is a better tool for this than that. Pull off the surrounding masking tape to make sure you've scribed everywhere
(https://www.basschat.co.uk/uploads/monthly_2018_09/IMG_5394.thumb.jpg.86d13f80f4b02e4550d84cb2a3f788c4.jpg)
Wow! Wow! Wow!!
Pare off the inlay with a chisel then rout out the design, I forgot to photo this but I used a Dremel, a 1mm bit for the outline and a 3mm bit for the bulk of the waste. I tend with dark woods like this to actually rout half and half through the line leaving something like a 0.5mm gap all around which in reality means some places it's tight and in others there's 1mm gap. Then I mixed epoxy with dust saved from sanding the fretboards and glued them all in with plenty oozing out, messy but in this case it doesn't matter as we are grain filling the lot afterwards and the black on black won't show once it's sprayed.
(https://www.basschat.co.uk/uploads/monthly_2018_09/IMG_5396.thumb.jpg.e811b4aa8400f70ab16db826ab3016e2.jpg)
Sand it all off once dry and see how it looks, there are still some voids that need filling, they have been cleaned out and done but they're being left now for a cople of days, I'm having a day off tomorrow :)
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Missed your earlier comment re my PC Christine...
He built the beastie to replacate a Fenderbird, but as a through-neck... Thunderbird style build, but as you can see the centre was just 3 pieces, then an additional section on the base, then wings fitted straight and flat... the neck is a mirror of JAE's preferred P neck... top is ebony and big mop inlays... and edges bound to the fret edges up... electrics are still slightly problematic but a '72 Mudbucker with the coils split and wired through a 4 position rotary and a 60's spec gold Lollar... no tone controls on my version with a bypass switch to negate the pots... bridge, tail and switch are original and came gold-plates... had a pair of gold plated custom pups when I got her but long gone... 2+2 vol and tone... originally built in '72 and I've had her since '78, 3rd owner... prob and experiment built for JAE but rejected... cost me 200 squids... :mrgreen:
There is a big thread here re the rebuild but the pics are missing as they were photosprocket...
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Present look... there are some studio pics on my FB page...
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Present look... there are some studio pics on my FB page...
Oh yes!! That is pretty, the real thing too :) I love that finish, really classy look
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I think? the world is out to get me at the moment!! One of those days, well one of those nights, the day in the workshop was good though, got tons done
What you ask? Well this: I carved out the necks, out of interest, anyone ever use a drawknife? Maybe better of sticking with spokeshaves if you haven't but a very useful tool with some practice. I carved one neck ultra thin, 20.5 at the nut and 21.5 at the 12th, hells bells I like it! Trouble is I did it on one of the ebony ones, maybe I'll get lucky and no one will want to buy it :P
After that I planed down the stock for the wings and cut them out, I started the contouring too, a little heavier shaping then the original Tbirds, still quite flat but will put a bit of a shallow curve into them tomorrow I think. Oh I cut the control cavity too
Drawknife ??
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Tools used
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Uncontoured wings
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Basic taper
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I think? the world is out to get me at the moment!! One of those days, well one of those nights, the day in the workshop was good though, got tons done
What you ask? Well this: I carved out the necks, out of interest, anyone ever use a drawknife? Maybe better of sticking with spokeshaves if you haven't but a very useful tool with some practice. I carved one neck ultra thin, 20.5 at the nut and 21.5 at the 12th, hells bells I like it! Trouble is I did it on one of the ebony ones, maybe I'll get lucky and no one will want to buy it :P
After that I planed down the stock for the wings and cut them out, I started the contouring too, a little heavier shaping then the original Tbirds, still quite flat but will put a bit of a shallow curve into them tomorrow I think. Oh I cut the control cavity too
Drawknife ??
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Tools used
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Uncontoured wings
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Basic taper
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Oh my, stunning!!!
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I’m very glad to have found this build thread ;D
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Really starting to look like something now. And I just realized - those are 19 fret fingerboards?!?
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Christine bailed out...? :o
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It seems so yes. There were some posts here Sep 5 which were removed (and rightly so I must add). I did'nt totally understand what was going on and it was'nt my business anyway, but it seemed to have something to do with previous bad forum experiences and Christine trying to keep a lower profile.
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Christine bailed out...? :o
It seems so yes. There were some posts here Sep 5 which were removed (and rightly so I must add). I did'nt totally understand what was going on and it was'nt my business anyway, but it seemed to have something to do with previous bad forum experiences and Christine trying to keep a lower profile.
Christine had an identical thread to this one in the Luthier's Corner at Talkbass. Something was posted there on August 23/24 that she apparently reported, a the moderator removed the posts, but Christine closed her account there anyway. Nobody seems to know what the removed posts were about (if anyone here knows, please speak up).
Christine was also very active in the Thunderbird Club thread at Talkbass. Carlo innocently posted a link there to this thread, thinking that some of her fans would want to follow it. A couple of new members came here as a result. But Christine freaked out when she learned that Carlo had posted a link. He removed it when she asked him to, but that wasn't enough. She attacked him here, outed herself as a "trans girl" (her words) and then reported him. I removed those posts. She asked privately that I remove her account, and I obliged.
She thinks pointing people here was an invasion of her privacy and harassment. That's preposterous. She was posting here on a public forum, and a search for "The FireDragon Triplets" showed this thread as the second search result. On top of that, as of yesterday she's still posting in an identical thread at a UK bass site. If you really want privacy, then STFU.
Nobody here harassed her. She made a big deal over nothing. Based on what I know, I doubt she was harassed at TB either.
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Christine had an identical thread to this one in the Luthier's Corner at Talkbass. Something was posted there on August 23/24 that she apparently reported, a the moderator removed the posts, but Christine closed her account there anyway. Nobody seems to know what the removed posts were about (if anyone here knows, please speak up).
Christine was also very active in the Thunderbird Club thread at Talkbass. Carlo innocently posted a link there to this thread, thinking that some of her fans would want to follow it. A couple of new members came here as a result. But Christine freaked out when she learned that Carlo had posted a link. He removed it when she asked him to, but that wasn't enough. She attacked him here, outed herself as a "trans girl" (her words) and then reported him. I removed those posts. She asked privately that I remove her account, and I obliged.
She thinks pointing people here was an invasion of her privacy and harassment. That's preposterous. She was posting here on a public forum, and a search for "The FireDragon Triplets" showed this thread as the second search result. On top of that, as of yesterday she's still posting in an identical thread at a UK bass site. If you really want privacy, then STFU.
Nobody here harassed her. She made a big deal over nothing. Based on what I know, I doubt she was harassed at TB either.
With all due respect... what you've just said is easy to conceive from what's been seen here, but it omits the most important events that lead to her leaving.
There was indeed a "dust up" over at TalkBass (the subject of which, was "privacy on the internet")... but what most folks don't know, is that the person she was tussling with, took things a step further, and sent Christine a scathing and threatening private message that was obviously effective at scaring her off. She left TB & came here, hoping to leave that mess behind. Then Carlo posted a link to her here. When I spotted it, I sent him a private message explaining all of this to him, to which he responded, "If she want's it removed, she can ask me herself". Given that she was no longer a member at TalkBass, I forwarded his message to her so that she would know to ask him to take it down. She then chose to drop the bomb over here, and disappear. At the root of the problem, is a character over in TalkBass, who has a very serious problem with the way she chooses to live her life. I think it should be fairly easy to see why emotions ran high, and why she's gone now.
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With all due respect... what you've just said is easy to conceive from what's been seen here, but it omits the most important events that lead to her leaving.
There was indeed a "dust up" over at TalkBass (the subject of which, was "privacy on the internet)... but what most folks don't know, is that the person she was tussling with, took things a step further, and sent Christine a scathing and threatening private message that was obviously effective at scaring her off. She left TB & came here, hoping to leave that mess behind. Then Carlo posted a link to her here. When I spotted it, I sent him a private message explaining all of this to him, to which he responded, "If she want's it removed, she can ask me herself". Given that she was no longer a member at TalkBass, I forwarded his message to her so that she would know to ask him to take it down. She then chose to drop the bomb over here, and disappear. At the root of the problem, is a character over in TalkBass, who has a very serious problem with the way she chooses to live her life. I think it should be fairly easy to see why emotions ran high, and why she's gone now.
Mike,
As a moderator on Talkbass we do take this kind of offensive behavior very seriously if we're made aware of it. If you know who the person is that sent the offensive message please inform me via a PM here.
Thanks,
V
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With all due respect... what you've just said is easy to conceive from what's been seen here, but it omits the most important events that lead to her leaving.
There was indeed a "dust up" over at TalkBass (the subject of which, was "privacy on the internet")... but what most folks don't know, is that the person she was tussling with, took things a step further, and sent Christine a scathing and threatening private message that was obviously effective at scaring her off. She left TB & came here, hoping to leave that mess behind. Then Carlo posted a link to her here. When I spotted it, I sent him a private message explaining all of this to him, to which he responded, "If she want's it removed, she can ask me herself". Given that she was no longer a member at TalkBass, I forwarded his message to her so that she would know to ask him to take it down. She then chose to drop the bomb over here, and disappear. At the root of the problem, is a character over in TalkBass, who has a very serious problem with the way she chooses to live her life. I think it should be fairly easy to see why emotions ran high, and why she's gone now.
Who gave YOU the right to forward my personal messages? A simple notifying her of my exact innocuous PUBLIC TB post would have been sufficient. Instead, as a a result of your forwarding a PRIVATE MESSAGE, she attacked me, challenging me with "come forward or sod off." So I did. And then she did.
No,it's not easy to see why a late middle aged adult is incapable of dealing rationally with harassment. It happened to me on TB, I reported it to the mods, they cleaned up the thread and suspended the member (also a member here BTW) for six months. Case closed.
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With all due respect... what you've just said is easy to conceive from what's been seen here, but it omits the most important events that lead to her leaving.
There was indeed a "dust up" over at TalkBass (the subject of which, was "privacy on the internet")... but what most folks don't know, is that the person she was tussling with, took things a step further, and sent Christine a scathing and threatening private message that was obviously effective at scaring her off. She left TB & came here, hoping to leave that mess behind. Then Carlo posted a link to her here. When I spotted it, I sent him a private message explaining all of this to him, to which he responded, "If she want's it removed, she can ask me herself". Given that she was no longer a member at TalkBass, I forwarded his message to her so that she would know to ask him to take it down. She then chose to drop the bomb over here, and disappear. At the root of the problem, is a character over in TalkBass, who has a very serious problem with the way she chooses to live her life. I think it should be fairly easy to see why emotions ran high, and why she's gone now.
Now I know who you are at TB, since Carlo told me who contacted him on Christine's behalf.
This is useful information, but it doesn't change the fact that Carlo had no idea that posting the link would upset her; he didn't know why she left (and obviously a number of others didn't -- I did some reading over there), so his request to hear it directly from Christine was quite reasonable. He then removed the link, only to be attacked here after he had done it. She demanded that he speak publicly "or sod off" (which she had no right to do), so he posted his PM, which she then reported, adding a personal attack on Carlo. I had already removed those posts a couple of minutes before I got the report.
I'm obviously not privy to what happened by PM at Talkbass, but based on some of what she said privately to Uwe and me about the situation here, I have my doubts about how scathing it was. Regardless, no one harassed her here.
She started this thread here the same day she started it at TB, not after she left TB. She wasn't posting here to get away from TB. She started an identical thread at the UK site the same day and was still posting there as of yesterday. That's the opposite of wanting to live your life quietly and privately.
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Who gave YOU the right to forward my personal messages? A simple notifying her of my exact innocuous PUBLIC TB post would have been sufficient. Instead, as a a result of your forwarding a PRIVATE MESSAGE, she attacked me, challenging me with "come forward or sod off." So I did. And then she did.
No,it's not easy to see why a late middle aged adult is incapable of dealing rationally with harassment. It happened to me on TB, I reported it to the mods, they cleaned up the thread and suspended the member (also a member here BTW) for six months. Case closed.
When I first saw the post you'd put up over at TB directing folks over here to her build thread, I first sent a message to Christine informing her about it, then sent you the message in which I explained what had gone on, why Christine had left, why she didn't want certain people to find her, and asked you to consider removing it. You responded by saying (in a nutshell) that if she wanted the post removed, she needed to ask you herself. It was wrong of me to copy & paste a private message & send it to her, and for that, I sincerely apologize. I had no idea what her relationship with you was like, and surely didn't expect her to blow up like she did.
Her way of "rationally dealing with harassment", was to leave TB & come over to the LBO without leaving a trail of breadcrumbs. You rolled out the red carpet & put up a flashing neon sign leading right to her. If you can't understand why that was displeasing to her... there's nothing that can ever be said, that will make you understand. I'm certainly not saying she handled it appropriately... but I sure as hell understand it.
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When I first saw the post you'd put up over at TB directing folks over here to her build thread, I first sent a message to Christine informing her about it, then sent you the message in which I explained what had gone on, why Christine had left, why she didn't want certain people to find her, and asked you to consider removing it. You responded by saying (in a nutshell) that if she wanted the post removed, she needed to ask you herself. It was wrong of me to copy & paste a private message & send it to her, and for that, I sincerely apologize. I had no idea what her relationship with you was like, and surely didn't expect her to blow up like she did.
Her way of "rationally dealing with harassment", was to leave TB & come over to the LBO without leaving a trail of breadcrumbs. You rolled out the red carpet & put up a flashing neon sign leading right to her. If you can't understand why that was displeasing to her... there's nothing that can ever be said, that will make you understand. I'm certainly not saying she handled it appropriately... but I sure as hell understand it.
She didn't leave TB to come to LBO and as Dave said above, no harassment occurred here. Yet, she left. Where's the rationality in that?
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Now I know who you are at TB, since Carlo told me who contacted him on Christine's behalf.
This is useful information, but it doesn't change the fact that Carlo had no idea that posting the link would upset her; he didn't know why she left (and obviously a number of others didn't -- I did some reading over there), so his request to hear it directly from Christine was quite reasonable. He then removed the link, only to be attacked here after he had done it. She demanded that he speak publicly "or sod off" (which she had no right to do), so he posted his PM, which she then reported, adding a personal attack on Carlo. I had already removed those posts a couple of minutes before I got the report.
I'm obviously not privy to what happened by PM at Talkbass, but based on some of what she said privately to Uwe and me about the situation here, I have my doubts about how scathing it was. Regardless, no one harassed her here.
She started this thread here the same day she started it at TB, not after she left TB. She wasn't posting here to get away from TB. She started an identical thread at the UK site the same day and was still posting there as of yesterday. That's the opposite of wanting to live your life quietly and privately.
This isn't completely accurate either. When I first saw Carlo's post directing folks over here, I sent him the private message informing him of why she left TB, and why she didn't want to be found here. The entire chapter of this drama that occurred here, would've been avoided, and her build thread would be perking right along today with smiles all around, if Carlo would have pulled that posting when I sent him that message. I would think that the better way to have handled the posting that told people where they could find her, would have been to remove it until after checking with her to see if that was something she wouldn't mind him doing, since he was now aware that personal harassment was involved. That makes more sense to me than leaving it up for an unknowable period of time, thus giving the "harassor" plenty of time to see it. If his post was truly innocuous, and intended only to help... why would he not remove it until speaking with her about it? I don't know... but I learned long ago not to ask, "why", when Carlo is involved with something. He typically has his reasons, and will share them if/when he feels like it (it's worth noting that I respect the hell out of Carlo, and hate that any of this occurring at all).
I knew that she had started her build thread here before all this began... but most of the folks at TB didn't. We were able to enjoy 2-3 days here at the LBO before the excrement hit the turbine. That's all she wanted... a place to hang out & talk gear without being harassed, just like the rest of us.
I think something that's been a bit distorted throughout all of this, is the fact that the original conversation that started the ruckus at TB, was "privacy on the internet". When she quit TB, it wasn't over the subject matter. It was over the private message(s) she received. The topic of conversation could have been pizza or cars or anything else, and it wouldn't have made any difference. It was about the PM.
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Her way of "rationally dealing with harassment", was to leave TB & come over to the LBO without leaving a trail of breadcrumbs. You rolled out the red carpet & put up a flashing neon sign leading right to her. If you can't understand why that was displeasing to her... there's nothing that can ever be said, that will make you understand. I'm certainly not saying she handled it appropriately... but I sure as hell understand it.
She started three identically named threads on the same day, here, TB and the UK site, all easily identifiable with a simple search. The breadcrumbs were whole loaves of bread, and she left them. You can't do that and then claim you don't want to be found. Carlo is blameless.
In the emails between her, Uwe and me, she said that some of the people who were giving her a hard time at TB had come here due to Carlo's post. People, plural. She twice referred to them in unflattering terms, again in the plural. She told you it was one person, now she's claiming at least two. So her story has changed. Yet it's a fact that only four people joined here between Carlo's post at TB and her quitting here: you and three others. Three of you posted in this thread, all approving. The fourth hasn't posted at all yet. Another frequent poster from the TB Thunderbird Club made his first post at LBO in this thread -- also approving -- but he was already registered here before Christine joined. Do you see why I find her hard to believe?
Whatever happened or didn't happen at TB, she's the one who turned it into an issue here. Not Carlo.
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Shame she's gone as she produced quality work... as for her private life I don't think that's ever been an issue here... oh well... :sad:
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Well, my apologies to Dave, Uwe and Carlo as well as the greater group that has been here a long time.
This never should have come over here to LBO.
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Ma'am... You should not have to apologise for idiots... well... maybe those with recognitionitis... but there are some folks that just should have been drowned at birth... :sad:
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I'm sad to see her go too. It was refreshing to see some original concepts applied to the classic gibson forms. Who knows, maybe she's just prejudiced against Yankees. ???
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I'm sad to see her go too. It was refreshing to see some original concepts applied to the classic gibson forms. Who knows, maybe she's just prejudiced against Yankees. ???
That is not at all what's going on, please do not make light of it.
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Excuse me. I was trying to ease the tension. We're talking about basses here. It isn't your fault if people go haywire. That's just human nature. Hopefully people can leave their baggage behind so these forums can be the fun celebration of music they're supposed to be.
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That is not at all what's going on, please do not make light of it.
Amen, Mark.
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Well, my apologies to Dave, Uwe and Carlo as well as the greater group that has been here a long time.
This never should have come over here to LBO.
It shouldn't have, but you have no need to apologize.
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Shame she's gone as she produced quality work... as for her private life I don't think that's ever been an issue here... oh well... :sad:
I agree. Too bad.
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Well...that's a bummer.
I really enjoyed reading her updates here.
Perhaps she will reconsider and return after some time to reconsider.
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Too much drama for me, that's why I prefer comedy.
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I'm glad I missed all the drama.
Loved the build process. And admire the skills.
But I thought she was overdoing it in the Thunderbird thread over at TB. When you blink you're four pages behind.
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I'm glad I missed all the drama.
Loved the build process. And admire the skills.
But I thought she was overdoing it in the Thunderbird thread over at TB. When you blink you're four pages behind.
One of the reasons I stopped following the TBird Club for a while. When someone posted as to where I was I replied that it was affecting my OCD. Now I look when someone I know posts and don't go any farther than the bottom of the page.
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I dabbled with TB but have never been back... too much going on without additional teenage hormones that seem to infest that site... :o
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I really admired the great quality of her work, and that's what mattered to me.
But this whole issue reinforces my guiding assumption that if you don't want people to see your thoughts and be able to contact you, don't post your thoughts on the Internet. Harassment or other inappropriate behavior should be something that adults can deal with using the rules of the forums they participate in.
The connection from TB to here was unfortunate under the circumstances, but well within common practice between forums. Removal of the link when requested was polite, and exactly what I would expect from members here, but posting the link was not out of line. I have not and will not hesitate to post links to interesting comments or content on other forums. You can't know everyone's life story, and the alternative to sharing information is to be unwilling to do anything.
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I would take any allegations of harassment seriously. When the allegations turn out to be false, I take that even more seriously.
She will not be back, b/c that would require my consent, and that's not going to happen.
What may or may not have happened at TB is not my business, that's for Mark and TB admins to investigate. But in light of what happened here, in public and in private, I have my doubts that any harassment happened at TB. People who create drama wherever they go almost always portray themselves as the victim.
With that, I'm going to close this thread. The disruption here is over.