The Last Bass Outpost
Gear Discussion Forums => Other Bass Brands => Topic started by: Basvarken on October 20, 2012, 04:48:27 AM
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... active bass
... one string too many
... boutique looks
...but a well built bass nonetheless!!
(http://www.numberoneguitars.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/a/bach5na500.jpg)
Long scale, neck through, maple/mahogany neck, mahogany body.
(http://www.numberoneguitars.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/a/bach5na-detail500.jpg)
String through body bridge.
(http://www.numberoneguitars.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/a/bach5na-head-back500.jpg)
(http://www.numberoneguitars.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/a/bach5na-head500.jpg)
Mother Of Pearl inlay logo
(http://www.numberoneguitars.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/a/bach5na-body-close500.jpg)
Two Humbuckers, Nice grain, 24 frets
(http://www.numberoneguitars.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/a/bach5na-back-close500.jpg)
Smooth curves ;)
BaCH5NA (http://www.numberoneguitars.com/shop/index.php/basses/bach5na.html)
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There are a lot of real beauties in the active and one string too many category. They are nice but they are not my cup of tea either. I like real simple and 4 strings ;D.
Rick
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4 strings are plenty...you can always tune BEAD. After a short period of disorientation, it works fine.
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Anything BaCH does looks nice. In this case, though, the styling looks dated. Not old enough to be retro.
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Yeah it looks like a Peavey Cirrus, which is not a bass I'd be lusting for either.
But there is a market for stuff like this. The guy that bought this bass owns a studio and he wanted exactly this kind of bass to add to his arsenal.
In my opinion this five string active bass didn't stand a chance against the active five string Jazz bass that he bought along with it
(http://www.numberoneguitars.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/j/b/jb-05s_nag_500_1.jpg)
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Very. very Peavey. Or Tobias.
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Very. very Peavey. Or Tobias.
Or Continental V. :P
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That BaCH is a dead ringer for a Peavey Cirrus: (http://www.drumza.com/images/PeaveyCirrus5BXP.jpg)
..but probably made better and having something approaching tonal character. The Cirrus' biggest flaw is that it is just a generic active bass with no real personality. Many of the Peavey Cirrus series were made in Vietnam and quietly mixed into the supposedly "US made" line. That Marcus Miller V copy, OTOH, looks very promising.
Fender making the "official" version an overpriced US-made only instrument really cut into many of the fans of the original Marcus Miller 4-string which was of superior Japanese quality and a lower price than US made Fenders for the first years of its production. What are the prices on the BaCH's?
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The Peavey Cirrus (BaCH05NA) lookalike is 336 Euro.
And the Marcus Sig copy (JB-05S-NAG) is 345 Euro.
The JB-05S-NAG is a much better instrument. A very convincing bass.
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The JB-05S-NAG is a much better instrument. A very convincing bass.
Is the control layout the same as a Marcus Miller: pickup volumes in front and active treble and bass boost to the rear?
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That BaCH is a dead ringer for a Peavey Cirrus: (http://www.drumza.com/images/PeaveyCirrus5BXP.jpg)
..but probably made better and having something approaching tonal character. The Cirrus' biggest flaw is that it is just a generic active bass with no real personality. Many of the Peavey Cirrus series were made in Vietnam and quietly mixed into the supposedly "US made" line. That Marcus Miller V copy, OTOH, looks very promising.
Interesting - these are the first relatively negative things I've ever seen written about the Cirrus - not that I've been around bass circles very long...
Anyone know the lead time (for US delivery) on the BaCH?
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what is the width of the neck like on the JB-05S-NAG ?
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Interesting - these are the first relatively negative things I've ever seen written about the Cirrus - not that I've been around bass circles very long...
Anyone know the lead time (for US delivery) on the BaCH?
If I'm not mistaken, Rob has that one in stock, and I think that price includes VAT which wouldn't be charged to you.
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Just to be certain, the BaCH05NA is 35" scale?
I know that most 5 strings are 35" scale, but not all. I didn't see the scale length listed anywhere.
I've never owned a 5er before, as this would be a gift to the younger unit (who loves the low B and these exotic looking basses).
I like old US Peavey 4 stringers.
Steve
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I too was always under the impression that a "Cirrus" was supposed to be a really well made bass. I have never played one because it would always have been way out of my price range.
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I'm not sure about the nut width. I don't have the basses here anymore. But I will ask the guy that bought them, if he can check the nut width for me.
As well as the scale length.
I'm afraid I don't hold any stock at all. I only order whenever someone places an order with me.
It usually takes two weeks (from the moment I've receiced the payment) for a bass to arrive at my address.
The I check the bass and give it a quick set up if necessary. Then I send it to the USA. It takes three days to arrive.
People outside Europe pay import taxes to customs in their own country. It depends where you live how much VAT you have to pay.
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When it comes to nut width I like mine close together, anything else tends to chafe.
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You're nuts Uwe ;D
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its enough to grind your gonads.
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Interesting - these are the first relatively negative things I've ever seen written about the Cirrus - not that I've been around bass circles very long...
It's not a bad bass by any means, but it has no inherent personality. It was Peavey's (too late) attempt to cash in on the the 90's coffee-table bass craze. They are very playable but completely forgettable because there's nothing they do that any moderately priced import active, neck-through bass can't, and they carry a high price tag. All one needs do is look at their resale value, which is terrible for a US made instrument, even for Peavey. They're not dog basses, just not worth the asking price. The BaCH demonstrates that in spades.
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Peavey never bring out junk.
We here probably overestimate what individuality means to the bass community at large - I know enough bassists (though not in this forum) that want a versatile bass (whatever that is, discuss), comfortable to play, with active electronics to tickle the best sound out of it if the rig can't do it, these people are perfectly happy with their Warwick, Ibanez or Peavey and don't understand why anybody would want to play an instrument as idiosyncratic as say a Ric, an EB-3 or a Thunderbird. And I believe the majority of bassists actually think like that. We're a minority here.
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40years or so ago, when I bought my first precision, I was told that it was the best bass, and that I would need no other...i've had maybe 25 or 30 basses since (maybe more), and I'm coming to the conclusion that's correct. Doesn't solve the gas...there's a Guild Pilot in Craigslist that has my eye. Hopefully I will let it pass.
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The enduring (and deserved) popularity of the P-Bass is in itself proof that bassists prefer an immediately identifiable and uncomplicated sound to any form of individuality.
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Peavey never bring out junk.
There generally are merits to even their cheapest instruments, but I assure you, they've put out plenty of electronics and instruments that best serve as boat anchors.
We here probably overestimate what individuality means to the bass community at large - I know enough bassists (though not in this forum) that want a versatile bass (whatever that is, discuss), comfortable to play, with active electronics to tickle the best sound out of it if the rig can't do it, these people are perfectly happy with their Warwick, Ibanez or Peavey and don't understand why anybody would want to play an instrument as idiosyncratic as say a Ric, an EB-3 or a Thunderbird. And I believe the majority of bassists actually think like that. We're a minority here.
I'll have to disagree. For years, bass publications heavily touted the idea that if you weren't a multi-genre sight reading session player, you were a failure on some level, yet the marketplace has shown that idiosyncratic basses actually tend to sell better, unless they're Gibson. (Then ESP or Epi gets the sale.) For all the minor cosmetic variations on the Fender P and J that Fender puts out, there are usually very distinct tonal differences between them, and most famous bass players often made their mark on instruments that were anything but generic: Jack Cassidy, Stanley Clarke, Jaco, Cliff Burton, Lemmy, Flea... etc
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The individuality is in the player, not the bass. The bass is just a chunk of dead wood.
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The individuality is in the player, not the bass. The bass is just a chunk of dead wood.
Amen.
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The individuality is in the player, not the bass. The bass is just a chunk of dead wood.
Sorry, but that's just not the case. A good instrument inspires its owner to play better while a bad one inspires its owner to stop playing. A bass is an expressive tool, and depending on the job requirement, needs to fit that role. All of the players I mentioned are identified with a particular syle of instrument because that instrument's inherent characteristics influenced both how and what was played on them. Musicality is in the hands of the player, yes, but their instrument is the means that conveys it, and like any "transducer," it leaves its own mark. Otherwise, why would the best singers in the world still be using fragile and esoteric mics from the 30's-50's in the studio when just any ol' SM58 would do the trick?
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The bass is inanimate but there's no doubt the right bass inspires and influences players. Not just with basses, with any instrument.
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Sorry, but that's just not the case. A good instrument inspires its owner to play better while a bad one inspires its owner to stop playing. A bass is an expressive tool, and depending on the job requirement, needs to fit that role. All of the players I mentioned are identified with a particular syle of instrument because that instrument's inherent characteristics influenced both how and what was played on them. Musicality is in the hands of the player, yes, but their instrument is the means that conveys it, and like any "transducer," it leaves its own mark. Otherwise, why would the best singers in the world still be using fragile and esoteric mics from the 30's-50's in the studio when just any ol' SM58 would do the trick?
True and false. Once you have played for, say, ten years or so you should be able to sound like yourself within one minute of getting a properly set up and working budget bass over a budget amp. If you are unable to at least fake your sound with an, say Epi bass and a Peavey amp, you should really be a guitarist who fall into desperation when they can't have "their" guitar and "their" amp, these wretched ones. I'm Uwe Hornung over any type of bass and any amp as long as the darn things work and people who know me will immediately recognize my style, my timing, my vibrato, my bending, my attack and my choice of notes.
But that is not to say that an instrument that you are in love with can't inspire you for those extra 10%. But at the same time, a bass that feels weird and unaccustomed can inspire you too by forcing you to leave your comfort zone.
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The basses I like best play themselves. I'm just the medium.
If I don't like the bass, I have to work at it.
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Like the stupid Stingray that drives me mad with its mammoth pole pieces getting in the way of my pick and chewing it up! Hate that. Do much better on a Bongo.
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When it comes to nut width I like mine close together, anything else tends to chafe.
Oh balls.
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That's a fun testicle, I mean a phantastic statement!
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Don't you hate it when your mammoth pole piece causes irritation to your nut? :-X
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For a product from someone called Ernie Ball that is indeed hardly a sterling showing.
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Al... the nut's at one end, the pole's at the other... as long as they stay in that general orientation you should be fine...
Uwe... if you stop picking at your pole's you'll stop scratching it up... try stroking with your fingertips and it'll all come together with practice...
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I thought this topic was about tea... ;D
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I thought this topic was about tea... ;D
It's about cups. And, cupping, apparently.
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And Peavey's junk, which fortunately they never bring out.
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Did someone mention tea...?
(http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/1509/cover_2552107112010.jpg)
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Great band.
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Aye, lad, that they are... The Tain and Book Of Invasions being a masterworks, as well as the first live album...
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My other cult Brit band are these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSib-ZU-EmQ
Superfluous to mention how the Yanks ignored them. These Foghat-addicted savages. :mrgreen:
But then the Krauts didn't get them too, for some perverse reason we preferred Barclay James Harvest. :-[
But English as tea Stackridge were.
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I don't think I've heard anything they've done - I'll dip in when I can... tip appreciated... ;)
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Thanks, Uwe! I've heard that group name, Stackridge, but never heard the music. Great! I'm hooked, gonna get their albums! English like Kinks or Kevin Ayers. Thanks again!
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Ha, new converts, you're welcome!!! It's clever music with a wry smile - always a great combination. The Bowler Hat album is generally regarded as their best pre-split - produced by George Martin, no less, it received favorable reviews at the time and the sleeve made some impression, I believe they even played a Reading Festival on the back of it, but all went nowhere. The 2009 reunion album "A Celebration of Common Sense" is worthy too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PAm_Gp6EoE
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Great band.
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