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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: Dave W on March 30, 2019, 04:55:44 PM
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Today I called Mark Najjar, the bass guy at Chicago Music Exchange, to find out when the new bass was expected in stock. I called him b/c it was CME who convinced Gibson to do it.
He says they expect a bunch of them at the end of May, and that they will be announcing it. He also said that Gibson spec'd it just the way they asked except that Jim DeCola used a plastic pickup cover; they had asked for chrome. But when they arrive, the ones at CME will have a chrome cover. Other Gibson dealers will get the plastic cover. The price is still $999 either way.
I asked him about the pickup, apparently it's a TB-Plus with coil-splitting. Nothing radical.
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Thanks for the info, Dave! I am hoping one will show up somewhere in NYC that I can try out.
I asked him about the pickup, apparently it's a TB-Plus with coil-splitting. Nothing radical.
Hmm. Does the standard TB-Plus just have 2-conductor wiring?
Now I'm wondering if I could add a coil-split push-pull switch to my beloved LPB1.
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Thanks for the info, Dave! I am hoping one will show up somewhere in NYC that I can try out.
Hmm. Does the standard TB-Plus just have 2-conductor wiring?
Now I'm wondering if I could add a coil-split push-pull switch to my beloved LPB1.
I'm no expert on the standard TB-Plus but I think it's 2-conductor and epoxy potted which would keep you from modifying it. Somebody else will know for sure.
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Thanks!!!
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I'm no expert on the standard TB-Plus but I think it's 2-conductor and epoxy potted which would keep you from modifying it. Somebody else will know for sure.
Yes that's correct.
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Ah well. Thanks anyway!
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I knew it all along. I know a TB Plus when I hear it - it was obvious to my ears.
You guys have the TB Plus relegated so much to some undesirable category in your minds, you don't even recognize it anymore if it sounds better than you thought. 90% of people's dislike to that pup is the mere fact that it (most often) comes as a plastic soap bar, not in a metal cover. Chrome is only skin-deep, free your ears!
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I knew it all along. I know a TB Plus when I hear it - it was obvious to my ears.
You guys have the TB Plus relegated so much to some undesirable category in your minds, you don't even recognize it anymore if it sounds better than you thought. 90% of people's dislike to that pup is the mere fact that it (most often) comes as a plastic soap bar, not in a metal cover. Chrome is only skin-deep, free your ears!
I was 99% certain it was just a TB-Plus, what else would it be? I started with an early-'90s T-bird, and I loved it at the time. When I got my '64, there was no comparison for me. The TB-Plus pickups have nowhere near the top end and middy growl of the old pickups. The '64 made the newer one sound like there was a wet blanket over the speakers. Of course, it's all subjective anyway. I ended up selling the '90s 'bird after it just sat there for a few years and a friend wanted it.
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There are so many different versions of the TB+ it's impossible to say you don't like it. There's a flavour for each.
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There are so many different versions of the TB+ it's impossible to say you don't like it. There's a flavour for each.
There's a flavor with alnico magnets and two miles of thin wire on short bobbins fully encased in metal top to bottom? All of those affect tone differently than thick, tall, and plastic.
I have no problem with those who like the TB+ pickup design. But there IS a difference in tone vs originals. Maybe it was 'new' in 1990 or whenever it was introduced but it's approaching 30 years, older than an original TBird pickup was at that time.
It's 'vintage', just not my (and a lot of others') vintage design preference.
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There are TB+ pickups that are encased in metal casings too. For example the faux mudbucker in the SG reissue bass is a TB+.
Or the TB+ pickups that are mounted in the LP oversized bass. Those have metal casings too. And different dimensions.
Plus the TB+ has seen a rather dramatic increase of the number of windings over the years. Making them increasingly hotter.
These are just a few examples of the many different versions that all go by the name of TB+.
They're just not the sixties humbucker. I'll give you that ;-)
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I never said it doesn't sound different. Yes, the older pups have more overdriven midrange and top end (sacrificing ooomph, everything comes at a price), which is nice, BUT IT'S NOT EVERYTHING FOR CHRISSAKES!!!
IMHO, both a 60ies and a Bicentennial T-Bird give you issues competing with a double bass drum and two guitars hammering out power chords in a heavy rock or heavy metal setting. That is where a "modern day" (= more than 30 years old :mrgreen:) TB Plus has real advantages, that sound with its higher, yet direct bass output doesn't waver. It's just more solid on the back end. And given how deep frequencies have taken a more prominent role in music in the last 30 years - blame disco, rap, keyboard bass, 5 string basses, the advent of CD and its ability to transport bass signals truthfully which were once simply out of reach for vinyl -, that is a characteristic which should not be underestimated.
I understand that perhaps for many finger players a TB Plus bass is not immediately audible enough (that treble and high mid "halo" it lacks compared to the 60ies signal), but that is not an issue I experience as a pick player. In contrast, my five 60ies TBirds/Embassy (let's not even talk about the Bicentennials and their sidewinders) all lack ultimate ooomph (never mind the beautiful mid range and sizzling-blurry top end & how they are fun to play). That doesn't matter that much if you send your signal through a huge rig and play very loud live (or in the studio where you can doctor your sound to an optimum), but it does if you have to go for a more subdued volume live and still want to be heard and felt. I defy anyone playing a 60ies Bird to then come up with a more substantial bass signal than from an off the rack TB Plus - at equal volume. More beautiful by itself, yes, better audible together with a miked bass drum, nope!
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I never said it doesn't sound different. Yes,(sacrificing ooomph, everything comes at a price), which is nice, BUT IT'S NOT EVERYTHING FOR CHRISSAKES!!!
IMHO, both a 60ies and a Bicentennial T-Bird give you issues competing with a double bass drum and two guitars hammering out power chords in a heavy rock or heavy metal setting. That is where a "modern day" (= more than 30 years old :mrgreen:) TB Plus has real advantages, that sound with its higher, yet direct bass output doesn't waver. It's just more solid on the back end. And given how deep frequencies have taken a more prominent role in music in the last 30 years - blame disco, rap, keyboard bass, 5 string basses, the advent of CD and its ability to transport bass signals truthfully which were once simply out of reach for vinyl -, that is a characteristic which should not be underestimated.
I understand that perhaps for many finger players a TB Plus bass is not immediately audible enough (that treble and high mid "halo" it lacks compared to the 60ies signal), but that is not an issue I experience as a pick player. In contrast, my five 60ies TBirds/Embassy (let's not even talk about the Bicentennials and their sidewinders) all lack ultimate ooomph (never mind the beautiful mid range and sizzling-blurry top end & how they are fun to play). That doesn't matter that much if you send your signal through a huge rig and play very loud live (or in the studio where you can doctor your sound to an optimum), but it does if you have to go for a more subdued volume live and still want to be heard and felt. I defy anyone playing a 60ies Bird to then come up with a more substantial bass signal than from an off the rack TB Plus - at equal volume. More beautiful by itself, yes, better audible together with a miked bass drum, nope!
I was responding to Rob, somewhat tongue in cheek. I simply stated a preference and why the two designs inherently differ. The rest is subjective, no matter how many words you write.
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I never said it doesn't sound different. Yes, the older pups have more overdriven midrange and top end (sacrificing ooomph, everything comes at a price), which is nice, BUT IT'S NOT EVERYTHING FOR CHRISSAKES!!!
IMHO, both a 60ies and a Bicentennial T-Bird give you issues competing with a double bass drum and two guitars hammering out power chords in a heavy rock or heavy metal setting. That is where a "modern day" (= more than 30 years old :mrgreen:) TB Plus has real advantages, that sound with its higher, yet direct bass output doesn't waver. It's just more solid on the back end. And given how deep frequencies have taken a more prominent role in music in the last 30 years - blame disco, rap, keyboard bass, 5 string basses, the advent of CD and its ability to transport bass signals truthfully which were once simply out of reach for vinyl -, that is a characteristic which should not be underestimated.
I understand that perhaps for many finger players a TB Plus bass is not immediately audible enough (that treble and high mid "halo" it lacks compared to the 60ies signal), but that is not an issue I experience as a pick player. In contrast, my five 60ies TBirds/Embassy (let's not even talk about the Bicentennials and their sidewinders) all lack ultimate ooomph (never mind the beautiful mid range and sizzling-blurry top end & how they are fun to play). That doesn't matter that much if you send your signal through a huge rig and play very loud live (or in the studio where you can doctor your sound to an optimum), but it does if you have to go for a more subdued volume live and still want to be heard and felt. I defy anyone playing a 60ies Bird to then come up with a more substantial bass signal than from an off the rack TB Plus - at equal volume. More beautiful by itself, yes, better audible together with a miked bass drum, nope!
So the TB+ is ideal for competing with a double bass drum and two guitars hammering out power chords in a heavy rock or heavy metal setting if you have to go for a more subdued volume live and still want to be heard and felt? ;D
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I was responding to Rob, somewhat tongue in cheek. I simply stated a preference and why the two designs inherently differ. The rest is subjective, no matter how many words you write.
I know you were, I just wanted to wave my TB+ flag again a little! It's a matter of taste, right. I just don't subscribe to the - sometimes overly prevalent - cult that vintage is automatically better and that progress can only mean copying vintage sounds as closely as possible. For the record: The TB+ pups were great for their time and still sound fine today. Like all pups, they can't do everything equally well. Neither can TB+ pups.
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So the TB+ is ideal for competing with a double bass drum and two guitars hammering out power chords in a heavy rock or heavy metal setting if you have to go for a more subdued volume live and still want to be heard and felt? ;D
Exactly.
Or alternatively.
Mutually, but non-excluding?
Oh, whatever!
:mrgreen:
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I sure hope Uwe will be able to convince CME to sell him one. I know how much he wants the chrome cover version.
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I happen to love TB+ pups. I have the guitar-sized chrome ones on my FenderBird, black plastic on my LP, and I had a "peeled" black plastic with NOS 70s chrome cover on my BachBird before I sold it. All sound great. The FenderBird is one of the best sounding basses I own. Cool that they're doing a chrome version on the new bass. I'll definitely be taking a ride over to CME when they arrive. A friend just picked up the single P90 guitar version.
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I sure hope Uwe will be able to convince CME to sell him one. I know how much he wants the chrome cover version.
:mrgreen:
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I wonder if they will ever use the HMS Bass Humbuckers again. They look identical to the TB+ Pickups in the Les Paul Standard Oversized Bass. The Memphis facility should be pretty much done by about now.....
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I wonder if they will ever use the HMS Bass Humbuckers again. They look identical to the TB+ Pickups in the Les Paul Standard Oversized Bass. The Memphis facility should be pretty much done by about now.....
Are those the ones in the Memphis ES-LP basses?
Gibson Memphis is closed.
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I know the 335 Bass had guitar humbuckers. The ES-LP maybe too?
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I sure hope Uwe will be able to convince CME to sell him one. I know how much he wants the chrome cover version.
I don't collect for environment-polluting, non-degradable materials.
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Oh good he's getting the chrome then (black plastic being non-bio-degradable and chrome, being a naturally occurring base element, doesn't need to degrade ... it's actually considered, and this is a matter of debate, an essential nutrient by some and you can buy supplement pills if you think you aren't getting enough).
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Essential nutrients you say?
(https://www.thehighwaystar.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/deep-375x500.jpg)
"And this is a matter of debate ...".
Are you now applying as a freelancer for GOOP, Jake?
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I know the 335 Bass had guitar humbuckers. The ES-LP maybe too?
Not sure. I think so.
I saw a pic somewhere with the cover off. IIRC it had a guitar humbucker bobbin but with only three holes filled on each bobbin, arranged as if it it were a 6-pole split-P pickup. The poles weren't screws. Not sure if they were magnets, or slugs with a magnet beneath. Either way, it wasn't just a stock guitar humbucker.
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Are those the ones in the Memphis ES-LP basses?
Gibson Memphis is closed.
The ES LP had Memphis Humbuckers made specifically for this bass. They look the same as the TB+ but are a completely different animal. It may be a good option for a 335 bass or something, it would be a shame not to use them in something else.
(https://i.imgur.com/mK6BUekl.jpg)
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Essential nutrients you say?
(https://www.thehighwaystar.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/deep-375x500.jpg)
"And this is a matter of debate ...".
Are you now applying as a freelancer for GOOP, Jake?
If I was, I would not have mentioned any caveat about it being a matter of debate; gotta stay on point.
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The ES LP had Memphis Humbuckers made specifically for this bass. They look the same as the TB+ but are a completely different animal. It may be a good option for a 335 bass or something, it would be a shame not to use them in something else.
(https://i.imgur.com/mK6BUekl.jpg)
I'm confused. I definitely saw a photo of an uncovered guitar humbucker that was used in a recent Gibson bass. Now I'm not sure whether it was from the 335 bass or the ES-LP.
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Now I'm not sure whether it was from the 335 bass or the ES-LP.
If you're thinking about the same picture/thread from TB that I am, that was a 335 Bass.
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If you're thinking about the same picture/thread from TB that I am, that was a 335 Bass.
Could have been. Can't remember where I saw it. If it is, it still leaves the question of what's inside those ES-LP Bass pickups.
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Not a gut shot, but a pretty detailed description of the MHS Bass Humbucker. I can't find any info on the 335 Bass pickup other than it's a Humbucker.
(https://i.imgur.com/KUOYnhB.jpg)
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That seems to be different from the 335 bass pickup. I'd guess it's a 4-pole design rather than 6-pole like the 335 bass. Without removing the cover, spreading iron filings on the cover to locate the poles would answer the question.
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Some years ago a Gibson guy at the NAMM or Musikmesse told me the 335 humbuckers are juts guitar humbuckers.
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Some years ago a Gibson guy at the NAMM or Musikmesse told me the 335 humbuckers are juts guitar humbuckers.
The pic I saw, wherever it was, had a standard guitar humbucker bobbin, but with only 6 of the 12 polepiece holes filled.
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I did my weekly check of Gibson's website to see if it has appeared in the bass models yet. Not yet, but now there's a timer counting down to when the new collections will be released. Under 14 days now. Since Mark at CME said late May, that timer is probably the formal release date by Gibson, not necessarily in the stores. We'll see.
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Remember how long it took for the Epi Vintage Pros to show up?
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Remember how long it took for the Epi Vintage Pros to show up?
True. OTOH remember that Henry is gone now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo
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Gibson The Netherlands has no ETA for them yet.
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I remember them being on the Gibson web site a while back, but then they disappeared. Can I assume there will be no left-handed models?
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I remember them being on the Gibson web site a while back, but then they disappeared. Can I assume there will be no left-handed models?
You're probably right. The Doublecut Junior guitar that inspired this bass is only available right hand, at least so far.
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You're probably right. The Doublecut Junior guitar that inspired this bass is only available right hand, at least so far.
At least less temptation for me, I guess.
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UPDATE
The other day somebody at MyLesPaul wondered about the release date, so I copied my original post in this thread. I was sent a link to a thread at Talkbass; somebody saw my post at MLP and posted at Talkbass (https://www.talkbass.com/threads/gibson-at-least-theyre-trying%E2%80%A6les-paul-junior-tribute-bass.1384283/page-14#post-22581639) that CME will have them with chrome pickguards. :rolleyes:
But if you scroll down from the TB post, another poster says that they are releasing on April 29 according to Sweetwater. He pre-ordered and his ships this coming Monday.
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Another update, checked that TB thread, one guy already has his in hand. I guess tomorrow really is the release day.
Satin finish looks nice.
(https://www.talkbass.com/attachments/8adb97f1-b0ea-4f6e-b130-880f4689805e-jpeg.3400498/)
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This page is back up
https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/USACYC512/Les-Paul-Junior-Tribute-DC-Bass#SKU-BAJDT00B2CH1
And there's now 7 basses listed on the main basses page, inluding the JR DC:
https://www.gibson.com/Guitars/Bass
Also noticed: 2 of those are "SG Standard" and "SG Standard 2019" which appear to be identical, maybe the pages are still in flux.
And the T-bird is now shown with chrome bridge.
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This page is back up
https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/USACYC512/Les-Paul-Junior-Tribute-DC-Bass#SKU-BAJDT00B2CH1
And there's now 7 basses listed on the main basses page, inluding the JR DC:
https://www.gibson.com/Guitars/Bass
Also noticed: 2 of those are "SG Standard" and "SG Standard 2019" which appear to be identical, maybe the pages are still in flux.
And the T-bird is now shown with chrome bridge.
And they're in stock at all the major online retailers today, e.g. American Musical (https://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-GIB-BAJDT00-LIST).
CME has them in stock too but not with chrome pickup covers as Mark had said.
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ZZ sounds is also showing them in stock, four colours, but the stock seems to be running low already...
https://www.zzounds.com/item--GIBBAJDT00?siid=258296
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ZZ sounds is also showing them in stock, four colours, but the stock seems to be running low already...
https://www.zzounds.com/item--GIBBAJDT00?siid=258296
zzounds, American Musical and Same Day Music all share the same inventory.
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zzounds, American Musical and Same Day Music all share the same inventory.
Well, I just learned something new. Thanks for the info!
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L&M has them in stock up here in The Great White North. C$1299.
I'm out due to life changes but maybe eventually.
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zzounds, American Musical and Same Day Music all share the same inventory.
They are inspired by Japanese ebay sellers? :mrgreen:
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LOL
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They are inspired by Japanese ebay sellers? :mrgreen:
:mrgreen:
The difference is that they actually own the inventory they're selling. :)
Anyway, zzounds et al are already out of three of the four finishes. Sweetwater had nine total on their site yesterday morning, down to four this morning. MF/GC et al still show all four finishes in stock but they are much bigger and probably ordered much more. I'm predicting success.
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GC has some inventory online but sadly none in local stores. I really want to try one out!
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What is this "BassBucker" pickup? It looks like a TB+, but I know that's just a plastic casing, so anything could be under there. I assume it's not oatmeal.
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What is this "BassBucker" pickup? It looks like a TB+, but I know that's just a plastic casing, so anything could be under there. I assume it's not oatmeal.
Check the beginning of this thread. Apparently it's a TB+ with splittable coils.
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Check the beginning of this thread. Apparently it's a TB+ with splittable coils.
Ah, thanks.
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I actually emailed the guitar center nearest my work (NYC union square) and got a quick reply:
I'm reaching out to let you know that we do not have any coming to New York at the moment but we are definitely able to order them if you are interested.
Darn. I'm certainly not gonna order a $1k instrument just out of curiosity.
Maybe I'll ask Sam Ash too. Those are the only NYC Gibson dealers listed on Gibson's website.
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I checked with local Gibson dealer Twin Town Guitars. They have it on order but no idea when. They don't have any of the models released this week yet. None of the Guitar Centers here have it in stock.
New sound clip from CME 2 days ago on Instagram. Video didn't work for me in Firefox but did in two other browsers.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw2R2K0BuqJ/
NAMM video from The Bass Channel, posted in a previous thread.
https://youtu.be/qqg5-a4pfjE
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I checked with local Gibson dealer Twin Town Guitars. They have it on order but no idea when. They don't have any of the models released this week yet. None of the Guitar Centers here have it in stock.
New sound clip from CME 2 days ago on Instagram. Video didn't work for me in Firefox but did in two other browsers.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw2R2K0BuqJ/
NAMM video from The Bass Channel, posted in a previous thread.
https://youtu.be/qqg5-a4pfjE
Nice, Dave. I passed that Instagram link on to that TalkBass thread.
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Nice, Dave. I passed that Instagram link on to that TalkBass thread.
Thanks, Ken.
Amazes me that some people there think any Gibson pickup must be a mudbucker, even after hearing a sound clip.
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Thanks, Ken.
Amazes me that some people there think any Gibson pickup must be a mudbucker, even after hearing a sound clip.
Preconceptions can be blinding I guess, or deafening in this case.
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Preconceptions can be blinding I guess, or deafening in this case.
True. And even when there's no preconception, some people can't identify what they're hearing. Years ago, before forum software became popular, I remember reading a negative review of a Thunderbird where the reviewer complained that it was all treble and sounded just like Jack Bruce's trebly tone on his EB-3. ???
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Amazes me that some people there think any Gibson pickup must be a mudbucker, even after hearing a sound clip.
Not totally surprising when you consider how many people "hear" a Les Paul on Zep records when most of the time it's Jimmy Page's Tele.
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True. And even when there's no preconception, some people can't identify what they're hearing. Years ago, before forum software became popular, I remember reading a negative review of a Thunderbird where the reviewer complained that it was all treble and sounded just like Jack Bruce's trebly tone on his EB-3. ???
I hope somebody called the reviewer out on his cluelessness.
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Not totally surprising when you consider how many people "hear" a Les Paul on Zep records when most of the time it's Jimmy Page's Tele.
wow I cant believe I got to this point and did not know that.
I dont think I ever remember seeing him with anything but an LP, is that the mandela effect or did he just use the LP live and tele in the studio?
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wow I cant believe I got to this point and did not know that.
I dont think I ever remember seeing him with anything but an LP, is that the mandela effect or did he just use the LP live and tele in the studio?
He didn't play the Tele much live but it was used extensively in the studio. The solo in Stairway to Heaven is the Tele - almost everyone I know sees a Gibson in their mind when they listen to it! - All of My Love, Good Times Bad Times, Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, Dazed and Confused, Your Time is Gonna Come, Communication Breakdown, I Can't Quit You Baby, How Many More Times... all Tele.
Generally speaking, all Zep albums except for II and III are mostly Tele - the rosewood board one with the dragon paint job. He also used it with The Firm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-WSbMW7BPc
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Funny.
My colleagues of the guitar magazine have two new LPs to review. I asked Gibson Europe for the bass and they keep me posted. It isn't here yet.
I also got an insider at Gibson Europe. His marketing boss said that basses aren't really important for them, so any publicity is not really important.
It is honest...
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Here's a nice little demo video from a guy in the TalkBass thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-cr6wOTSyM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-cr6wOTSyM)
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Here's a nice little demo video from a guy in the TalkBass thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-cr6wOTSyM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-cr6wOTSyM)
Sounds good, and no slapfest!
There's a point where he says that he's felt that other short scale basses are lacking in low end. That's another case of people mis-describing what they're hearing. If a short scale is lacking low end, it's not due to the scale length. They don't have the full upper harmonics of a long scale and that makes the sound seem less full -- but not lacking in bottom.
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Sounds good, and no slapfest!
There's a point where he says that he's felt that other short scale basses are lacking in low end. That's another case of people mis-describing what they're hearing. If a short scale is lacking low end, it's not due to the scale length. They don't have the full upper harmonics of a long scale and that makes the sound seem less full -- but not lacking in bottom.
Yes! He did a great, realistic job with it.
I've actually never played a short scale. I'm not a big person in any way, but the Thunderbird fits me just fine. I don't want to deal with a different scale length. I'd be really interested in an SG-shaped at 34" scale in left-handed.
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The blue one from the instagram post Dave put up looks awfully purple to me. Must be midnight blue, right Pilgrim? ;D
I also have to admit, the bass sounds mellifluously sweet in an appropriately Gibsony way.
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The blue one from the instagram post Dave put up looks awfully purple to me. Must be midnight blue, right Pilgrim? ;D
I also have to admit, the bass sounds mellifluously sweet in an appropriately Gibsony way.
Er. um, no opinion, sir!
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He didn't play the Tele much live but it was used extensively in the studio. The solo in Stairway to Heaven is the Tele - almost everyone I know sees a Gibson in their mind when they listen to it! - All of My Love, Good Times Bad Times, Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, Dazed and Confused, Your Time is Gonna Come, Communication Breakdown, I Can't Quit You Baby, How Many More Times... all Tele.
Generally speaking, all Zep albums except for II and III are mostly Tele - the rosewood board one with the dragon paint job. He also used it with The Firm.
Part of me thinks that, consciously or subconsciously, Jimmy was trying to make his Les Pauls sound more like Telecasters when he was playing live. His tone was surprisingly thin and surprisingly clean from the Les Pauls.
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I think these seem like nice basses. Pickguard leaves me a little indifferent to it, but the guard would not keep me from buying one if I played it and liked it.
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The blue one from the instagram post Dave put up looks awfully purple to me. Must be midnight blue, right Pilgrim? ;D
I noticed that too, but the pics on dealer websites look blue.
....the bass sounds mellifluously sweet in an appropriately Gibsony way.
You should submit that phrase to Gibson's PR department.
I've actually never played a short scale. I'm not a big person in any way, but the Thunderbird fits me just fine. I don't want to deal with a different scale length....
I'm definitely more of a long scale person but I have no problem switching scales.
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Part of me thinks that, consciously or subconsciously, Jimmy was trying to make his Les Pauls sound more like Telecasters when he was playing live. His tone was surprisingly thin and surprisingly clean from the Les Pauls.
wonder what about the tele made him avoid it as live guitar
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wonder what about the tele made him avoid it as live guitar
He didn't. He used it all thru the Yardbirds and til mid-'69 with Zeppelin until he got the LP.
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I guess an LP is a bit fatter so nice in a trio like LedZep. Trio as in musical trio.
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I just learned something new, from the thread at the Gear Page about the new bass. One poster said that the maple neck was a dealbreaker for him. Another poster responded:
i think you've got it backwards, maple is far better for bass. 'hog neck basses tend to be low-end shy and uneven, lots of dead spots. especially if it's short scale, maple will go a long way to overcoming that handicap.
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Gosh, no wonder my EB-0 is so low-end shy and trebly! Likewise with all my previous Gibson and Guild mahogany basses. :rolleyes:
FWIW, I've never had a short scale bass with a dead spot, and only one non-Fender maple long scale with a dead spot.
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i think you've got it backwards, maple is far better for bass. 'hog neck basses tend to be low-end shy and uneven, lots of dead spots. especially if it's short scale, maple will go a long way to overcoming that handicap.
Haha! Yeah the Internet is a lovely place. There's a truth to be found for any lunatic.
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Haha! Yeah the Internet is a lovely place. There's a truth to be found for any lunatic.
"The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity."
~ Abraham Lincoln (source: the Internet)
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I just learned something new, from the thread at the Gear Page about the new bass. One poster said that the maple neck was a dealbreaker for him. Another poster responded:
i think you've got it backwards, maple is far better for bass. 'hog neck basses tend to be low-end shy and uneven, lots of dead spots. especially if it's short scale, maple will go a long way to overcoming that handicap.
:o
Gosh, no wonder my EB-0 is so low-end shy and trebly! Likewise with all my previous Gibson and Guild mahogany basses. :rolleyes:
FWIW, I've never had a short scale bass with a dead spot, and only one non-Fender maple long scale with a dead spot.
Ha ha, same here :mrgreen: My '74 P have about five useable notes on the G string!
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We talked earlier about what the routing under the pickguard might be. A member at MLP who bought the DC Junior Guitar version when they first came out last fall has just rewired his to 50s wiring specs and posted pics which show the cavity and the underside of the pickguard.
Incidentally, with the introduction of the bass and the DC Special, the jack on the Junior guitar has now been moved to the side.
FYI
(https://www.mylespaul.com/attachments/20190115_163658-jpg.353590/)
(https://www.mylespaul.com/attachments/20190115_171136-jpg.353591/)
(https://www.mylespaul.com/attachments/20190115_163825-jpg.353600/)
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Geez, that doesn't even look like a Gibson built that. Look at the mess of the neck pocket. Why on earth would Gibson use a Forstner bit to cut out a pocket?
And since when does Gibson stain guitar bodies by hand with a brush instead of tinted lacquer?
Or do they have monkeys to build the prototypes for them?
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It's like they commissioned Rickenbacker to build them ;)
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Geez, that doesn't even look like a Gibson built that. Look at the mess of the neck pocket. Why on earth would Gibson use a Forstner bit to cut out a pocket?
And since when does Gibson stain guitar bodies by hand with a brush instead of tinted lacquer?
Or do they have monkeys to build the prototypes for them?
This was before JC took over. I don't understand how it ever got out of the factory. I just posted it to show the routing.
And in all fairness, they were trained monkeys.
It's like they commissioned Rickenbacker to build them ;)
That was my first thought too. ;D
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Anyway, here's a screenshot from a promo video.
(https://i.imgur.com/yfEfG71.png)
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The 19' Juniors share the same body and have the same neck pickup route under the pickguard as the specials. See just after 9:45 here for the current guitars routing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s8PG64XpKY
Wonder what's hiding under the pickguards of the basses? Trogly will be reviewing the bass too. should be interesting.
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It's like they commissioned Rickenbacker to build them ;)
LOL
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The 19' Juniors share the same body and have the same neck pickup route under the pickguard as the specials. See just after 9:45 here for the current guitars routing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s8PG64XpKY
Wonder what's hiding under the pickguards of the basses? Trogly will be reviewing the bass too. should be interesting.
Thanks for pointing us to the exact time. I can only take about 10 seconds of Trogly's voice before hitting mute. Plus he could reduce the time of his videos by 90-95% and still say the same thing.
Also, it's not called a 2019, Gibson has dropped the year on all new models.
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Trogly just put up a review of the DC Junior Bass. It's over 18 minutes, which in his case would typically be 16-17 minutes too long. I won't be watching it but feel free to watch and summarize.
https://youtu.be/qkp0unbtYsE
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Trogly just put up a review of the DC Junior Bass. It's over 18 minutes, which in his case would typically be 16-17 minutes too long. I won't be watching it but feel free to watch and summarize.
He also has the reviewed bass listed on Reverb... :rolleyes:
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Gibson mounted the pickup upside down in the casing. See after 9:15. Also the pickup seems to resemble a DeCola more than a TB+. No big holes near the neck tenon but not the prettiest looking joining either. Pick guard comes off after 8:30 and your welcome Dave.
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Yeah, that's no TB+.
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He also has the reviewed bass listed on Reverb... :rolleyes:
Aren't all his videos about guitars he has for sale? He has (or had) some kind of mission statement on the home page of his Reverb shop about how he started this to educate buyers b/c he was frustrated with sellers who don't give enough information. He sounds like he would be a nightmare for a seller to deal with.
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Gibson mounted the pickup upside down in the casing. See after 9:15. Also the pickup seems to resemble a DeCola more than a TB+. No big holes near the neck tenon but not the prettiest looking joining either. Pick guard comes off after 8:30 and your welcome Dave.
Yeah, that's no TB+.
The neck tenon is fine. Most or all of the pics I've seen of Junior neck tenons leave space between the end of the tenon and the end of the pocket.
That pickup is definitely a neck position DeCola EB Bass pickup. It's upside down compared to an EB Bass but I'm almost sure that was deliberate. The big alnico polepieces will cover the field with no dropout but they're wider than the string spacing and would look misaligned.
Again, thanks for posting the right time. I can't believe I listened to him blather for a couple of minutes. He went on and on about the pickup screws and foam. Can you imagine working for him and having to listen to him in an hour-long staff meeting? I'd probably throw myself out a window to escape.
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Can you imagine working for him and having to listen to him in an hour-long staff meeting? I'd probably throw myself out a window to escape.
:mrgreen:
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I've actually endured about 4 or 5 of his videos and I consider that quite an achievement.
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Looks good and sounds very good. What more can you ask for in a bass.
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Seems like every thread I've seen at TB and elsewhere, somebody says they'd buy one if only Gibson offered it in TV Yellow, or just complains that it's not available in TV Yellow. I'm not going to respond anywhere else, but I can mini-rant here. :)
1. These are based on the DC Junior Tribute guitars introduced last fall. They don't come in TV Yellow. They're selling like hotcakes anyway.
2. The original 59/60 DC EB-0 only came in cherry.
3. The original limed mahogany finish was NOT called TV Yellow. It was a separate version of the Junior called the TV Model. And nothing Gibson has produced in the last few decades as TV Yellow looks anything like the originals anyway, even the Custom Shop VOS models. If you've seen an original up close, you know what I mean.
So there. :P
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Trogly just put up a review of the DC Junior Bass. It's over 18 minutes, which in his case would typically be 16-17 minutes too long. I won't be watching it but feel free to watch and summarize.
https://youtu.be/qkp0unbtYsE
The guy reminds me of Blippi.
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Seems like every thread I've seen at TB and elsewhere, somebody says they'd buy one if only Gibson offered it in TV Yellow, or just complains that it's not available in TV Yellow. I'm not going to respond anywhere else, but I can mini-rant here. :)
1. These are based on the DC Junior Tribute guitars introduced last fall. They don't come in TV Yellow. They're selling like hotcakes anyway.
2. The original 59/60 DC EB-0 only came in cherry.
3. The original limed mahogany finish was NOT called TV Yellow. It was a separate version of the Junior called the TV Model. And nothing Gibson has produced in the last few decades as TV Yellow looks anything like the originals anyway, even the Custom Shop VOS models. If you've seen an original up close, you know what I mean.
So there. :P
I have'nt spoken up before about this previously, but if they'd come in TV Yellow I'd have to buy one. :mrgreen:
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While we're wishing, I think it'd look hot in yellowburst too, vintage correctness be damned :)
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I have'nt spoken up before about this previously, but if they'd come in TV Yellow I'd have to buy one. :mrgreen:
Like this?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/iNcAAOSwAvFccQ4M/s-l1600.jpg)
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NICE!!!!
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I have'nt spoken up before about this previously, but if they'd come in TV Yellow I'd have to buy one. :mrgreen:
:mrgreen:
(https://i.imgur.com/JfYcL5l.gif)
The guy reminds me of Blippi.
I had to look him up. You have a good point there.
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I had to look him up. You have a good point there.
Sorry you had to see him. :) I only knew of him because of some recent news articles about him. I don't think it's enriched my life at all.
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Sorry you had to see him. :) I only knew of him because of some recent news articles about him. I don't think it's enriched my life at all.
I don't think we're his target audience. :) At least, I hope not.
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I don't think we're his target audience. :) At least, I hope not.
In more ways than one! But YMMV. ;-)
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:rimshot:
In more ways than one! But YMMV. ;-)
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Like this?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/iNcAAOSwAvFccQ4M/s-l1600.jpg)
That's nice!
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Yup, that's pretty much it! :thumbsup:
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zzounds, American Musical and Same Day Music all share the same inventory.
Is Sweetwater in that group too?
I notice they have a few colors in stock currently at the same $999 US price.
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Is Sweetwater in that group too?
I notice they have a few colors in stock currently at the same $999 US price.
No, Sweetwater has no connection to the other three.
I see that Sam Ash also has all colors in stock. Likewise with MF/Guitar Center.
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A lefty in worn cherry will be avaible soon.
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Now available in Europe. musicstore.de have them all listed but only the brown in stock, the others not until June 19-21 depending on choice of german or english language on the site.
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Now available in Europe. musicstore.de have them all listed but only the brown in stock, the others not until June 19-21 depending on choice of german or english language on the site.
999,00 € isn't a bad price. I figured it might be more.
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Gear 4 music has one in stock for € 978.
https://www.gear4music.nl/nl/Gitaar-and-Basgitaar/Gibson-Les-Paul-Junior-Tribute-DC-Bass-Worn-Cherry/2XAW
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A lefty in worn cherry will be avaible soon.
Where did you see that?
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A guy from Europe sent the info to me. Complete with model / ordering number.
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A guy from Europe sent the info to me. Complete with model / ordering number.
Cool. I wish Epiphone would get on board with that for the Thunderbird Vintage Pro and Embassy.
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Another one in Germany for a pretty nice price IMO - no affiliation with the seller
https://reverb.com/item/24475591-gibson-les-paul-junior-tribute-dc-bass-worn-cherry
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A lefty in worn cherry will be avaible soon.
Where did you see that?
A guy from Europe sent the info to me. Complete with model / ordering number.
As editor-in-chief of a prominent Dutch bass magazine, Chris has minions all over the world who feed him the latest information.
And groupies. Some of them may have worn cherries. :mrgreen:
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As editor-in-chief of a prominent Dutch bass magazine, Chris has minions all over the world who feed him the latest information.
And groupies. Some of them may have worn cherries. :mrgreen:
Damn, I need some minions! Not worn cherries, though.
I'm not really interested in short scales, but the favor that Gibson is making so many options for lefties makes me really happy. I wonder if Epiphone will get on board with that. They seem like the less traditional ones, too.
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I have to correct myself. Not a 'guy from Europe' but a 'guy from Gibson Europe'. I typed toon fast.
As only bass mag for the Dutch speaking countries I'm also the most prominent :mrgreen:
And I need more groupies.
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This is a double cut short scale LP I'd like to see
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This is a double cut short scale LP I'd like to see
I can give you a positive vote for that! Looks great.
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The Epiphone Genesis bass (or Pearl Export Bass) was pretty close.
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The Epiphone Genesis bass (or Pearl Export Bass) was pretty close.
Just looked it up. Looks like something Gene Simmons would use. Hmmm, GENEsis. Coincidence?
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I think coincidence. The Epiphone Genesis guitar came first. No connection there.
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Gene Simmons would never exploit a name for financial gain, would he? :mrgreen:
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Gene Simmons would never exploit a name for financial gain, would he? :mrgreen:
Of course not! He's got too much integrity for that. What a silly idea.
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And I guess Mike Rutherford of Genesis would've looked cooler with a Genesis than with a headless and bodyless Steinberger.
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I played one of these at Sam Ash yesterday. It's tiny. Feels smaller than my '68 EB-0 - maybe on a par with my Dan Armstrong. Guitar players who double on bass will probably love it. Seemed well put together. I didn't have time to plug in - maybe I'll head back over tomorrow and give it a proper wringing out.
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It's still on order at my local independent. GC has nothing.
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I tried one of these out today and I was smitten. I've always loved the original EB0 body shape so this bass had my attention. The body is two pieces of nicely selected mahogany, fit and finish were quite good and the frets were nicely dressed. The TB plus pickup while not my favorite suits this bass and the location is perfect. Those who are used to full scale 7enders, Thunderbirds etc will find this bass small, no doubt about it but those who have played any of Gibson's EB or SG basses will feel right at home.
The only reason I didn't bring it home is I have other basses in my sights, I'll definitely pick one up at some point. The bass gets a big thumbs up from me.
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I tried one of these out today and I was smitten. I've always loved the original EB0 body shape so this bass had my attention. The body is two pieces of nicely selected mahogany, fit and finish were quite good and the frets were nicely dressed. The TB plus pickup while not my favorite suits this bass and the location is perfect. Those who are used to full scale 7enders, Thunderbirds etc will find this bass small, no doubt about it but those who have played any of Gibson's EB or SG basses will feel right at home.
The only reason I didn't bring it home is I have other basses in my sights, I'll definitely pick one up at some point. The bass gets a big thumbs up from me.
That's good to hear, Scott.
You must have missed the YT review where the pickup was uncovered. it's not a TB Plus. It's a neck pickup from the EB Bass, mounted with the polepieces extending out the bottom.
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This new video from Reverb about short scale basses features a few seconds of a 70s EB-0 starting at 3:52 and the new DC Junior Tribute at the 7:37 mark.
Pet peeve: this guy says Lez Paul. I recently realized that a lot of Brits say it that way. It's pronounced "less" since it's short for Lester.
https://youtu.be/V4OZNIwYFHw
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That's good to hear, Scott.
You must have missed the YT review where the pickup was uncovered. it's not a TB Plus. It's a neck pickup from the EB Bass, mounted with the polepieces extending out the bottom.
I had missed that about the pickup! Good to know.
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This new video from Reverb about short scale basses features a few seconds of a 70s EB-0 starting at 3:52 and the new DC Junior Tribute at the 7:37 mark.
Pet peeve: this guy says Lez Paul. I recently realized that a lot of Brits say it that way. It's pronounced "less" since it's short for Lester.
https://youtu.be/V4OZNIwYFHw
I saw that myself early this morning. Being interested in short scales, it was just up my alley. I was a little puzzled by putting the no-name Tele-style bass in there, though. Even if you wanted that, I think it might be kind of hard to find.
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Not that I've ever used a fiver but that Serek's B-string held up pretty good for a shortscale, or is that just in my headphones? Regarding the Noname I guess he just wanted to make awareness of the goofier shortscales of old in general.
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Regarding the Noname I guess he just wanted to make awareness of the goofier shortscales of old in general.
That's what I thought too. Many good MIJ shorties around at great prices, get them now before they market them as pre-lawsuit and charge you extra ;D
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That's what I thought too. Many good MIJ shorties around at great prices, get them now before they market them as pre-lawsuit and charge you extra ;D
"Lawsuit" has to be one of the most ridiculous claims in the world of guitars. Gibson vs. Elger (Ibanez) was filed but was settled out of court, and it was all about the Ibanez headstock design that looked like a Gibson. Nothing to do with body shapes, nothing to do with copies of any other brand. People still fall for the hype.
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"Lawsuit" has to be one of the most ridiculous claims in the world of guitars. Gibson vs. Elger (Ibanez) was filed but was settled out of court, and it was all about the Ibanez headstock design that looked like a Gibson. Nothing to do with body shapes, nothing to do with copies of any other brand. People still fall for the hype.
Try saying that to the people waiting for their Tokai TST50's to increase in value.
Like Ozzy put it; The truth is out, the lies are old, but you don't want to know :)
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I played two of them in the Netherlands, yesterday. Fresh in at the Gibson HQ. I like them very much. Of course I'll come back on it.
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Gotta get my hands on one.
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They are starting to pop up used here in the U.S. and the average price at big box stores (Sam Ash/GC) seems to be $699...quite tempting.
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Replace the pickup cover, (https://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/pickup-making-parts/pickup-covers/non-plated-metal-bass-pickup-cover-for-gibson-thunderbird-bass-guitar/) and it's nearly unbeatable.
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Replace the pickup cover, (https://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/pickup-making-parts/pickup-covers/non-plated-metal-bass-pickup-cover-for-gibson-thunderbird-bass-guitar/) and it's nearly unbeatable.
I wish it were easier to do that with the TB+ pickups.
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I played two of them in the Netherlands, yesterday. Fresh in at the Gibson HQ. I like them very much. Of course I'll come back on it.
Local independent store has one in, I haven't gone over there to try it yet. I won't be buying any new Gibsons, though.
They are starting to pop up used here in the U.S. and the average price at big box stores (Sam Ash/GC) seems to be $699...quite tempting.
Interesting, I looked both of those up. Pretty hefty discount from new.
Replace the pickup cover, (https://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/pickup-making-parts/pickup-covers/non-plated-metal-bass-pickup-cover-for-gibson-thunderbird-bass-guitar/) and it's nearly unbeatable.
That's a Thunderbird cover but the pickup in these isn't a Thunderbird pickup, it's a DeCola EB Bass neck pickup mounted upside down. I don't know if the dimensions are the same.
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That's a Thunderbird cover but the pickup in these isn't a Thunderbird pickup, it's a DeCola EB Bass neck pickup mounted upside down. I don't know if the dimensions are the same.
Someone on TB installed a chrome cover on one of these. I believe that very bass is on Reverb now.
https://reverb.com/item/26765604-gibson-les-paul-junior-tribute-dc-bass-2019
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That's a Thunderbird cover but the pickup in these isn't a Thunderbird pickup, it's a DeCola EB Bass neck pickup mounted upside down. I don't know if the dimensions are the same.
I have a DeCola EB pup with an open winding somewhere. I can check if it fits a T cover.
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A short review:
The bass looks and feels good. Gloss finish, open pore body, but the neck is smooth cos of the maple. I tried two. One had a two piece mahogany body and another was three piece. Not a problem, but just somethin I noticed.
Weight is okay. Not as light as an SG and not really heavy. It feels more robust than a normal short scale or an SG. Mustangs can feel a bit toy-ish to us bassists. balance is good due to the ultralight tuners, with classic clover buttons. The headstock is nice with just a black bell shape TRC and 'Les Paul Model' and Gibson on it. The three point is back. At the showroom was an SG Bass with the Babicz and it is just to big and modern. The new pickguard gives it a '70s ish cool look. A bit less friendly and more rock.
I like the neck, narrow, rounded. C. Nice!
I think a part of the succes of the JCS is that Fender players feel at home easily. Long scale, middle pickup. An SG or Rivoli/EB2 and especially a Tbird can be too strange for a Fender player. I know several people buying a Bird and selling it soon afterwards because it just feels Different. The DC feels 'normal' and I think this will be a part of the succes of the DC too. It feels more Fender'-ish because of the middle pickup and weight and dimensions don't make it too small.
With The SG Bass I always had both pickups open. Playing at the neck makes it warm and round and at the bridge almost Fender-ish. This DC has more one sound but a good one! A bit as you expect from a middle puckup in that bass. Mid heavy - middle pickup and maple neck - a good growly rock tone. The notes are very even sounding weith the typical attack and decay of a set neck. Less attack, so smooth, even tones. Not as round as an SG bass. A little bit less 'character' maybe, but also easier in a band. It has enough warmth. The second bass I tried had the pickup higher and it was warmer. So you can experiment. So definately no Fender sound. Warmer, wider, but still enough power to push through a mix.
Than the push/pull, which is a coil tap. In normal down position it's the mid heavy rock sound I just wrote about. Up, you use the whole humbucker and it's much warmer. Warm, open, wide, but never muddy. Same character as the down position, but you get warmt, width and low added. I think it will sound cool with acoustic guitars. In a rock band you might push the button down for a bit more push.
Tone down make it all a bit duller. Normally I like to use a good tone control, but with the push/pull you got enough sounds.
Of course it plays like a short scale, but the bass feels massive enough not to be a toy. I don't thinks it sounds really short scale, until you reach higher notes and you get that full, big sound only a short can gove you at the D and G. Love that. So it has the advantages of a short without any disadvantages.
Gibson has a matte 2015 sunburst SG bass, which they lended to artists. It's a bit 'relic' after five hard years. I might buy that, cos they offered it to me for a good price and I love the matte burst on the SG Bass. But what if I had to chose between DC or SG?
For me it's a money issue too, so I think of buying the SG. I had a red one, sold it and miss it. The SG is more Gibson. I have enough basses to cover rock sounds, so I'll get the SG for the warm SG sound. Would I still be playing with a rock band regularly, I would def. buy the DC. A great little bass!
I repeat myself, but I think it's a Fender-playuer-friendly model, which can make it a winner.
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Someone on TB installed a chrome cover on one of these. I believe that very bass is on Reverb now.
https://reverb.com/item/26765604-gibson-les-paul-junior-tribute-dc-bass-2019
(https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--kMf1nb6w--/f_auto,t_large/v1565223115/qtne1vhyex7mg5m5yuoy.jpg)
I don't think I like the mixed hardware.
The tuners look yellowish, so I think they're nickel plated.
The pickup cover looks like artificially aged nickel.
And the bridge is chrome with the typical blue hue.
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I finally got to play one of these in a Guitar Center yesterday (14th st in Manhattan, NY). It was priced at $999 US.
I spent about 20 minutes with it.
Impressions:
Balance was good sitting down. There wasn't a strap handy so I didn't try standing up.
It felt fairly comfy to play. The neck is not skinny, I thought it was pretty round, definitely feels more "classic gibson" than "modern" or "fender".
I play some pretty thick necks, but I might have actually liked this one better with a slightly thinner neck. For whatever reason, I thought it was a bit chunky when combined with the small, lightweight body and short scale. If you want a shorty that definitely doesn't feel like a toy though, this might be good.
The sound was fine and I'm sure I could work with it. I'm not familiar with the amp it was plugged into (some modern Ampeg model I've never tried before). I think I'd need to play it through my own amp to really judge it properly.
I liked it in both push-pull positions, though the thinner (pulled) setting was maybe a little too bland for my taste. I liked the default setting better, more bark in the mids.
Would have sounded better through a growlier amp, I thought.
Tons of substantial low end. Treble is there too if you boost it on the amp.
I would like to hear it in a (rock) band context.
Last time I played a Gibson short scale, it was an EB-0. I found that on the doublecut, I missed the contoured edges of the EB which I always found very comfy. This has quite sharp edges, and to me that just feels less friendly.
The biggest problem was that it badly needed a setup. I could see there was a bit too much relief in the neck and the bridge was set quite high, with plenty of room to lower it, so the action was much higher than it needed to be. The intonation wasn't quite right either.
Overall it's a pretty nice instrument. It did not send me "MUST TAKE THIS HOME NOW" signals, but I could definitely play one and enjoy it.
I'm slightly disappointed though, I had been really wanting to try one of these since they came out, and I had daydreamed that it would be perfect for me.
I think I had thought it would feel like the EB but with a sound that suits me better. It definitely has a sound that suits me better, but somehow didn't blow me away, and definitely doesn't feel as comfy. I'm sure it's perfect for somebody though.
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Why don't they offer a case?
Every time I use a gig bag, some part of the guitar gets destroyed...usually a pot gets sheared off.
The available bag is pretty sad, and not up to gigging. Otherwise it looks like a bass I could love.
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Why don't they offer a case?
Every time I use a gig bag, some part of the guitar gets destroyed...usually a pot gets sheared off.
The available bag is pretty sad, and not up to gigging. Otherwise it looks like a bass I could love.
The same question could be asked for a lot of basses now. The days are long gone, for the most part, when you would get a case included even for a cheap bass. Unless it's a bass that I really don't much care about at all, I've got to find a way to get a case (usually not a gig bag) one way or another.
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I would be happy to pay an extra $100 for a case option, instead of gig bag
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I would be happy to pay an extra $100 for a case option, instead of gig bag
Oh, definitely. It would be well worth it.
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It's too bad that they don't have a form-fitting case available at all.
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It's too bad that they don't have a form-fitting case available at all.
My understanding is that these fit in most generic Les Paul cases...
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I bet the old Incase Tour Bags would be great soft cases for these. I used one for my Carvin LB20, but not much else fits in it. Should be excellent for short/medium scales. If anyone in the NYC area is interested in one, I'd definitely be willing to part with mine. It's in great condition.
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About the bass. I like it. I think it's a Gibson bass which Fender bassists can like. Like the JCS. The JCS is long scale, middle pickup and a modern P kinda neck. It's easy to change from P to JCS.
The same with the DC. Middle pickup, familiar neck, and it feels different than a SG Bass. I think this bass can be populair in bass world. I know quite some guys who bought a Tbird and sold it again cos they couldn't get used to it. It's easy to get used to a DC. So a winner, imho. The Gibson style, look and sound in away every bassist feels familiar.
I'm used to Gibson so I tried the DC and came home with an SG, but that's because I love the strangeness of Gibson basses. I can imagine a Fender style player hating the SG and loving the DC.
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My understanding is that these fit in most generic Les Paul cases...
The neck is longer, by roughly 2 1/2 inches. Do generic LP cases have that much extra room at the headstock end?
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The neck is longer, by roughly 2 1/2 inches. Do generic LP cases have that much extra room at the headstock end?
Check post # 666 here regarding MF LP guitar case
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/gibson-at-least-theyre-trying%E2%80%A6les-paul-junior-tribute-bass.1384283/page-34#post-23326677
Just looking at a couple of LP cases that I have around - none of them being Gibson - I believe that they should have enough room.
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Check post # 666 here regarding MF LP guitar case
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/gibson-at-least-theyre-trying%E2%80%A6les-paul-junior-tribute-bass.1384283/page-34#post-23326677
Just looking at a couple of LP cases that I have around - none of them being Gibson - I believe that they should have enough room.
That's good to know. More room there than in a factory Gibson LP case.
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I noticed that there were LP DC Jr Tribute basses in Sweetwater's current clearance sale. Three different finishes (no black), three or four of each available. Apparently new, not demo or return, $699 each, limited time offer. Good deal if you're interested.
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Maybe they didn't sell and are discontinued already? That'd be a shame. It seemed like something actually different with a sort of classic vibe.
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Maybe they didn't sell and are discontinued already? That'd be a shame. It seemed like something actually different with a sort of classic vibe.
Could be, but no one else has reduced the price and the website still shows it as a current model. Probably just an oiverstock sale.
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I bought one...couldn't resist
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Bass arrived...set up well after the truss rod was tightened...
I don't see what the fuss about the three point bridge is. It's just fine. Fit and finish are just fine.
So far very happy. Hope it roars.
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Congratulations! Which finish did you choose?
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Classic red. It's an EBO, basically. I always only liked the red.
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Classic red. It's an EBO, basically. I always only liked the red.
If I were you, I would be very pleased to have gotten such a good deal. I also agree red is the best color for that, although some of the others were not bad, either.
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Congratulations, I hope it works well for you. Hard to pass up a deal like that.
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Buddy of mine got a blue one (my favorite). Hoping to check it out before too long.
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Looks like the clearance ones are gone.
I'm supposed to get my first ever significant bonus in May ... if they were still on blowout then I doubt I could resist.
It may not be calling me as a must-have-right-now bass, but if I had a spare $700 in the bank .........
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Tried it at rehearsal.
Sound is darker than my 2013EB...more fundamental, and somehow "less complex".
I liked it...will sound real good on a lot of the "rootsier" stuff that we do.
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FWIW, I see several of these listed as "brand new" on Reverb by AMS for $799...
After trying out a couple of them in person I'm not in the market for LP DC Jr. but they certainly have their appeal, especially at the discount prices that we've seen lately.
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Whatever the reason, they're new and below MAP, which is still $999 on Gibson's website. I'm sure Gibson gave them permission.
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For all of you Chrome lovers, CME has their own version with chrome hardware and a tortoise shell pickguard.
https://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/listing/gibson-usa-les-paul-junior-dc-bass-worn-white-wtortoise-pickguard-chrome-cover-cme-exclusive/29547299
https://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/listing/gibson-usa-les-paul-junior-dc-bass-worn-tv-yellow-wtortoise-pickguard-chrome-cover-cme-exclusive/29547297
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Just scored a blem from GC for $479, I couldn't pass it up. Hopefully it won't be too jacked up when it gets here. $599 new on the President's Day sale.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PqZt6qLj/Capture.jpg)
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GC also has a used one listed for $780. That'll be a tough sell.
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For all of you Chrome lovers, CME has their own version with chrome hardware and a tortoise shell pickguard.
https://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/listing/gibson-usa-les-paul-junior-dc-bass-worn-white-wtortoise-pickguard-chrome-cover-cme-exclusive/29547299
https://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/listing/gibson-usa-les-paul-junior-dc-bass-worn-tv-yellow-wtortoise-pickguard-chrome-cover-cme-exclusive/29547297
Who's arm did they twist? If i'm not mistaken there have not been a chrome covered T-bird shaped pickup on any Gibson bass since 1986 (the Custom Shop TB II). In 1991 there were the special edition three pickup 'birds but they were gold plated right?
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I'm truly concerned about this obscene aberration. :-\
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Wow, that looks good! I'm not a big fan of tort guards, but it works well here, strange as it may be for a Gibson.
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Who's arm did they twist? If i'm not mistaken there have not been a chrome covered T-bird shaped pickup on any Gibson bass since 1986 (the Custom Shop TB II). In 1991 there were the special edition three pickup 'birds but they were gold plated right?
There's this odd one off with chrome pickups too.
https://cartervintage.com/collections/basses/products/gibson-thunderbird-iv-2002
It's funny that a company not generally known for tort seems to always manage to make nicer versions of it than anything coming from Fender. The first versions of the EB with the DeCola pickups had nice tort as well.
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I have a 2013 EB 5 string, and yes, the tort guard is very nice.
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All colors are currently $599.99 brand new at Guitar Center:
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson/Les-Paul-Junior-Tribute-DC-Bass.gc
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daaamn.... i am trying to hold out 3 months till i get some cash but this is getting difficult
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I need another bass
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Man, playing left-handed really saves me a lot of money.
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There is a blue one gnawing at me, only 5.7 miles away........... HELP!!!
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I played one a couple days ago. I normally don't like shorties. I LIKED it, mainly for the pickup, but the neck was VERY nice..
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ZZ Sounds has them at $799...has Gibson officially pulled the plug on this model ? What's the deal with all these blowouts ?
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daaamn.... i am trying to hold out 3 months till i get some cash but this is getting difficult
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I don't need another bass
I need another bass
Austerity is a crap concept.
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Who's arm did they twist? If i'm not mistaken there have not been a chrome covered T-bird shaped pickup on any Gibson bass since 1986 (the Custom Shop TB II). In 1991 there were the special edition three pickup 'birds but they were gold plated right?
Remember, it was Chicago Music Exchange who talked Gibson into making a bass version of the DC Junior Tribute guitar. A while after last year's NAMM, I called CME to find out when they would be in stores. Their bass guy told me that CME would get them with a chrome covered pickup and everyone else would get plastic covers. I mentioned that here back then.
Obviously the CME exclusives didn't come out until over a year later, but here they are.
ZZ Sounds has them at $799...has Gibson officially pulled the plug on this model ? What's the deal with all these blowouts ?
It's still shown as a current model in the Modern Collection on Gibson's website. No idea what they're doing here. Maybe they overproduced, but maybe they're just aggressively promoting it and cutting dealer cost. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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I just pulled the trigger on a blue one from MF. All four colors were available at three local GC’s yesterday. The cherry & blue basses must have sold. At $599, they are selling....... Yesterday they were still $799 at MF but today they were listed at $599. A great deal..... So much for will power.....
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Man, playing left-handed really saves me a lot of money.
Guess what?
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BAJDTWCCHL--gibson-les-paul-junior-tribute-doublecut-bass-left-handed-worn-cherry
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Guess what?
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BAJDTWCCHL--gibson-les-paul-junior-tribute-doublecut-bass-left-handed-worn-cherry
Oh, damn. Good thing I'm not interested in short scales. I know I mentioned that in this thread. I was more tempting fate, and fate one-upped me. Good thing Epiphone doesn't make a left-handed Thunderbird VP! Think that'll work?
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Even though it's short scale, the band loved the sound.
Will be playing in a large bar this weekend...hopefully it sounds as good as in the basement.
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Oh, damn. Good thing I'm not interested in short scales. I know I mentioned that in this thread. I was more tempting fate, and fate one-upped me. Good thing Epiphone doesn't make a left-handed Thunderbird VP! Think that'll work?
I wonder if it was a special order that was cancelled. I just happened to check Sweetwater to see if they still had the reduced pricing. Turns out this was the only one they had in stock.
Even though it's short scale, the band loved the sound.
Will be playing in a large bar this weekend...hopefully it sounds as good as in the basement.
I can't see why it wouldn't. Good luck.
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My ears may have lost all their tread, but I really can't hear any difference between a sort and long scale bass with similar strings. I'm sure the new one will be a hit.
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Saw a post on FB that American Musical has them for $549 and $649 (https://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-GIB-BAJDT00-LIST), depending on color. That means zZounds has them too, since they share inventory.
It also says "Closeout Price - Was $999! While They Last!" so at this point I wondewr if they really are being discontinued.
I looked at the guitars too and they are blowing out the DC Junior and Special Tribute guitars for as low as $549.
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The LP DC Special is getting harder to find. MF only lists the black stain being available. All four colors are available for the JR. The Gibson site list the blue stain bass as “Out of Stock”. Odd that AMS would charge more for blue stain...........
I ordered mine on Sunday. The order verification said it should be here today, but it didn’t leave Lenexa KS until after 4:00 this morning. Delivery changed to tomorrow.
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I got the bass in worn cherry at $549. At that price I could't resist. And that was my first choice in color anyway.
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Mine came yesterday. Paid $479 (blem from GC) + tax, free shipping. Looks good, only "blem" I see is scuffing on the pickguard, like from being tried out in a store or something.
The blue stain on the body is several shades darker than shown in the stock photos on the web, it looks almost black. Good match on the 3-piece body though. If I'd known it would be this dark, I may have picked cherry instead, it's fine though. Some nice "flame" on the maple neck also, if you're into that sorta thing.
Needs a full setup, action is OK but check out that G-string saddle position. Good lord! Also look at the gig bag they sent it in. Not sure what that one is good for... maybe a Stromberg?
Nice bass overall, can't complain much at that price.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8jvP3kWZ/20200219-114332.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8jvP3kWZ) (https://i.postimg.cc/BjcZShmD/20200219-114408.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjcZShmD) (https://i.postimg.cc/B8mqDj9n/20200219-114458.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/B8mqDj9n) (https://i.postimg.cc/34W3Z3YC/20200219-114543.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/34W3Z3YC) (https://i.postimg.cc/WFKTWx4R/20200219-114804.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WFKTWx4R) (https://i.postimg.cc/1VqPLMg8/20200219-114857.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1VqPLMg8)
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You got a great deal.
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You got a great deal.
I wouldn't have even known about these if you hadn't posted about it. I keep up with American Musical from time to time. The last time i ordered from someone was from them. But that was six weeks ago and that was only a case. But this current deal from them would have probably gone by unnoticed by me.
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I just got back from the local GC. I met my guitar guy there to check out the blue stain LP DC Special. When I got there, I noticed that the price had gone back up to $999. They said that the Presidents Day Sale ended yesterday. Luckily, it was still marked down on their web site, so they had to match it...... The blue stain guitar was only really blue on about 1/3rd of the body, the rest looked closer to black. They also had a cherry one that looked much nicer, we walked out with it...... It will be interesting to see what color my bass ends up when it comes tomorrow. The guy at GC said that the blue bass they had generated a lot of interest during the short time that they had it. It must have been the only Gibson bass in the store. Just a few Epiphones.
MF seems to be out of all colors but cherry, though GC still seems to be able to order all colors.....
(https://i.imgur.com/ANRmbSR.jpg)
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I wasn't looking for it and wouldn't have known except for that post on FB.
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I've been off it for years, but in this case FB was a very good thing.
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The blue stain guitar was only really blue on about 1/3rd of the body, the rest looked closer to black.
My blue bass is also pretty dark, but at least the 3-piece body is well-matched, so I'm happy about that. I once bought a new cherry-finish Firebird Tribute model that had a 4-piece body (if I remember right), and one small piece near the knobs stuck out like a sore thumb, way darker than the rest. Sent it back. That wasn't the only reason though, it neither felt good nor sounded good. Ordered another one from a different retailer and got a good one, still have it.
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The bass is here, but due to the cold Minnesota weather (it's up to 16 degrees) I have to wait to open it. Inside the gig bag pocket is it's "Birth Photo". The coloring does look better than the LP DC Special I saw yesterday at GC.......
(https://i.imgur.com/i1L32IH.jpg)
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I got mine today and I'm also having to wait about opening it because of the cold.
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Opened mine & took a quick run to GC to check out a case. I fit perfectly in a Gator LP Flight case (guitar). So I ordered the cheaper brown one, GW-LP-BROWN.
After lowering the bridge a bit, the bass played like butter & it has it's own voice. I like it!
(https://i.imgur.com/HAIzqcqh.jpg)
https://www.gatorcases.com/products/guitar/deluxe-wood-cases/deluxe-wood/gibson-les-paul%c2%ac-guitar-case-brown-gw-lp-brown/
(https://i.imgur.com/0EfRojm.jpg)
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Just pulled a trigger on a red one - $549 from ZZ sounds over 6 months - but since it's being shipped to my P.O. Box it likely won't get here until mid-week.
Will report back...
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The bass is here, but due to the cold Minnesota weather (it's up to 16 degrees) I have to wait to open it. Inside the gig bag pocket is it's "Birth Photo".
Did yours come in the XXL gig bag also?
(https://i.postimg.cc/L9L1x9xj/20200219-114804.jpg)
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Did yours come in the XXL gig bag also?
(https://i.postimg.cc/L9L1x9xj/20200219-114804.jpg)
Yup. It has to go!
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That gigbag might even fit a Ripper.
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Looks like you could hide a body in that bag.
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Looks like you could hide a body in that bag.
No idea what Gibson was thinking with this one. I bet it'd be great for a long-scale 335 bass, but unfortunately I don't own one and would probably have a hard case for it if I did. ???
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I'm glad I'm prepared for the gig bag after looking at these pics. If I was sure everything with the bass is okay, I'd be tempted to wait until I can get a case before I even opened the box. Still, with this bass at such a low price, I can't complain about anything.
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The case I ordered is suppose to be at my local GC on Tuesday. They price matched the MF 15% off so I bought it for $101.99. I hope it fits the same as it did in the flight case. We talked about the pickups a while back. The plastic covers are exactly the same as what is on my T'Bird bass.
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It looks like somebody literally figured out how to jam an EB pickup into a TB Plus cover by flipping it over. Maybe they didn't think the EB pickup looked right? To me it seems like a nice clever hack to get a particular sound and appearance without the cost of manufacturing any new parts.
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I thought these came with a different gig bag. Maybe they ran out. At the price you all paid, hard to complain.
It looks like somebody literally figured out how to jam an EB pickup into a TB Plus cover by flipping it over. Maybe they didn't think the EB pickup looked right? To me it seems like a nice clever hack to get a particular sound and appearance without the cost of manufacturing any new parts.
The EB pickup polepiece spread is wider than the string spacing of these, it wouldn't look right. But the magnetic field is covered, so the pickup works fine.
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The first time in a long time that I opened up a box and the bass had absolutely no problems at all. This is really nice. I had a friend who tried hard to convince me to get a Mustang instead. I'm sure Mustangs are fine. They've even been used on important recordings. But I definitely prefer the Gibson, especially now that I know what it feels like to play and what it sounds like for real and not just on You Tube videos.
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Agreed about setup
Harmonics were close
Just had to tighten the rod a bit and lower the bridge a tad.
Didn't have to touch the nut...
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Mine has just arrived...
Very dry fingerboard and sharp fret ends, other than that a very cute little bass. Now that I've finally had a chance to briefly test it in my normal environment, I'd venture a guess that it's a keeper, presuming that nothing structural turns out to be out of whack.
Will update once I'm somewhat done setting it up...
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And...it's going back....
Fretboard is separating from the neck on both sides in the first fret area. Unacceptable on a brand new instrument, regardless of the price range.
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That's disappointing.
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Too bad.
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And...it's going back....
Fretboard is separating from the neck on both sides in the first fret area. Unacceptable on a brand new instrument, regardless of the price range.
That’s a bummer! The frets on mine are really sharp also. When I was trying out the LP Special version at GC, I noticed the same thing on that guitar. I mentioned it to the tech, he took out a big block set up to file the fret edges & it felt great after just a few minutes. When I go pick up my case mid week, I’ll try to get the guy to do the same on my bass.
Also, mine had a slight neck dive with the nylon strap that was included. I installed my usual strap locks & 2” leather strap & it sits nice. I’ll give it a long workout next week.......
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My fret ends are slightly sharp, a little more so on the treble side, but no worse than I expected. I did a quick setup on the bridge, huge difference! Look at the before and after, the intonation was way off. Sucks that the string windings sit on the saddles though, I may have to get one of those bar extender thingies.
BEFORE (https://i.postimg.cc/NfgVSCN8/20200219-114857.jpg)
AFTER (https://i.postimg.cc/2Syt8bNV/20200223-112202.jpg)
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Ok...gig report...
In a big room (200+bar) it sounded really good.
Much less "woof" than my 2013 EB, probably due to pickup spacing. Was a true plug and play kind of experience. Noticeably more "Fenderish" due to the pickup being in the sweet spot, I guess. More fun to play than the 5 string, also. Much lighter, also.
Still need the 5 string for some tunes in the keys that we do them in...
Very happy overall.
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Ok...gig report...
In a big room (200+bar) it sounded really good.
Much less "woof" than my 2013 EB, probably due to pickup spacing. Was a true plug and play kind of experience. Noticeably more "Fenderish" due to the pickup being in the sweet spot, I guess. More fun to play than the 5 string, also. Much lighter, also.
Still need the 5 string for some tunes in the keys that we do them in...
Very happy overall.
That sounds like quite a good report. I like the way it sounds. I also was pleasantly surprised that it turned out to be lighter than expected.
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Well, according to the rep from ZZ Sounds who responded to my exchange inquiry, "the item is currently discontinued" and I was offered a choice between a refund, and providing pictures of the damage to possibly get a credit and keep the bass "as-is". Refund it is, then... :rolleyes:
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These basses will be gone with the wind soon. The only color left at the $549 price is ebony. I'm tempted to buy one of those, too. That's what happened a few years ago when I bought a Hofner Contemporary. Several weeks later, they dropped the price of the Cavern Contemporary to $549. So i bought one of those, too. Once the price gets that low, a bass can become really tempting to me. Of course with a bass or anything else, there will always be some lemons. It's happened to me before, too, and I can sympathize. The only time I ever had to return something was to Sweetwater once and they were fine about it. I also had a problem once with MF, but that was a shipping problem I had to work out with UPS. The refund took a long time, but I got it.
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They are selling quick! Guitar Center claims on their web site to be able to ship all four colors (store stock?) while Musicians Friend only has it available in cherry. I thought they shared the same stock. A salesman at the store claimed that they had guitars and stock exclusive to them, not available at MF.
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Well, according to the rep from ZZ Sounds who responded to my exchange inquiry, "the item is currently discontinued" and I was offered a choice between a refund, and providing pictures of the damage to possibly get a credit and keep the bass "as-is". Refund it is, then... :rolleyes:
I don't blame you under the circumstances, I'd do the same.
Not surprised that they're discontinued, along with the guitar models.
They are selling quick! Guitar Center claims on their web site to be able to ship all four colors (store stock?) while Musicians Friend only has it available in cherry. I thought they shared the same stock. A salesman at the store claimed that they had guitars and stock exclusive to them, not available at MF.
The GC salesman is full of it. Everything comes out of the same warehouse. GC stores may have some left in stock though.
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AMS where I got mine only has the ebony for $549, but blue for $649. Their shipping was faster than I was used to.
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The Gator case fit great! It could use a little more padding under the end of the body, but that is minor & easily remedied. The cheaper black version is on backorder. It’s made in China so that could be a while. After a 15% price match, it was $101.99 before tax.
(https://i.imgur.com/u25jUGx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3wV5ysn.jpg)
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Well, according to the rep from ZZ Sounds who responded to my exchange inquiry, "the item is currently discontinued" and I was offered a choice between a refund, and providing pictures of the damage to possibly get a credit and keep the bass "as-is". Refund it is, then... :rolleyes:
On second thought, I looked at zZounds website (they share inventory with American Musical) and they still have a blue one at $649. Even though that's $100 more than what you paid, IMHO they should have at least offered to replace yours with that one at no additional cost.
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On second thought, I looked at zZounds website (they share inventory with American Musical) and they still have a blue one at $649. Even though that's $100 more than what you paid, IMHO they should have at least offered to replace yours with that one at no additional cost.
I concur and would've accepted that scenario, but no such attempt was made. They have emailed me the return label, though, so I'll be returning the bass sometime later this week.
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The Gator case fit great! It could use a little more padding under the end of the body, but that is minor & easily remedied. The cheaper black version is on backorder. It’s made in China so that could be a while. After a 15% price match, it was $101.99 before tax.
(https://i.imgur.com/u25jUGx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3wV5ysn.jpg)
What kind of Gator case is that? I'd like to get one.
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What kind of Gator case is that? I'd like to get one.
https://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gator-gw-lps-guitar-case-for-single-cutaway-electric-guitars?rNtt=Gator%20GW%20LPS&index=1
This one should also work. It's $10.00 cheaper but was on back order.
https://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gator-gw-lps-laminated-wood-case?rNtt=Gator%20GW%20LPS&index=2
The specifications listed on MFs description are wrong. They list the length as 39.5". It is actually 41.9".
https://www.gatorcases.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/GW-LP-BROWN.pdf
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Thanks!!
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I peeked under the pickguard on my new DC today. The pickup is marked "Rhy EB Bass / 860-31686-L / 5/17/19"...and it's installed upside-down, since the magnets are flush with the bobbins on the underside, while the other ends are nicely beveled and are meant to be exposed. Anyone know if it's possible to buy the pickup covers for the exposed pole pieces? Also, there's a lot less to the "tuned coil tap" than I expected - just one very small cap grounded to the back of the volume pot.
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Not sure how it is in the US, but until last October or so my company was able to order EB pickups from the scandinavian Gibson distributor. Not covers though. Last time I ordered one they said it was the last pickup they had, and they could not order more of them.
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I just bought the Gator case...thanks to whoever figured out this one will fit.
Pat
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I just bought the Gator case...thanks to whoever figured out this one will fit.
Pat
I also just ordered one. But you can send your thanks to Grog.
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The GC salesman is full of it. Everything comes out of the same warehouse. GC stores may have some left in stock though.
I ordered a LP DC Jr in blue stain from the Guitar Center website. Musicians Friend has nothing left, but GC seems to still have them. UPS tracking says it is leaving Englewood Colorado. It must have been store inventory at a store in that town. The stock is dwindling fast at these prices....... I tried buying one at CME first, they actually post a photo of the guitar for sale whereas GC & MF use a stock photo. It had just sold.
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I ordered a LP DC Jr in blue stain from the Guitar Center website. Musicians Friend has nothing left, but GC seems to still have them. UPS tracking says it is leaving Englewood Colorado. It must have been store inventory at a store in that town. The stock is dwindling fast at these prices....... I tried buying one at CME first, they actually post a photo of the guitar for sale whereas GC & MF use a stock photo. It had just sold.
Now that makes sense. One store must have wound up with too much inventory. MF wouldn't have access to those.
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Welp ... I did it. CME allowed me to buy a blue one for $599 US, came to about $650 *with* tax, with free (no interest) 12 month installment plan ... I just could not resist!
Waiting for confirmation of shipping ... I am a little concerned since Grog just reported being unable to buy one from CME.
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I bought a bass a few weeks ago. I tried buying a six string Jr at CME but ended up getting it at GC online.
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It's here!!!!
(http://slinkp.com/~paul/gibson_dc_tribute_2019/IMG_20200305_135206.jpg)
(http://slinkp.com/~paul/gibson_dc_tribute_2019/IMG_20200305_134918.jpg)
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It's here!!!!
(http://slinkp.com/~paul/gibson_dc_tribute_2019/IMG_20200305_135206.jpg)
(http://slinkp.com/~paul/gibson_dc_tribute_2019/IMG_20200305_134918.jpg)
Beautiful! How does it play?
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Really nice! The neck feels good, the scale is fun, it sits in my hands well. I didn't have a chance to try with a strap yet.
I have only played it in headphones so far but it sounds very promising in them. Very substantial gutsy sound.
The proof will be trying it with a band, I need my guys to get their act together and schedule a practice!
Intonation was perfect out of the box. Neck has a tiny bit of relief, may not need any tweaks. I'd like to lower the action a tiny bit at the bridge but it's not bad already.
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The blue looks good on yours. Some I've seen look almost as dark as the black.
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A pair of Jrs.....
(https://i.imgur.com/Rcr0FKk.jpg)
This might be one of the only times Gibson put slightly higher quality components in a bass than they did in the mating guitar.
The guitar has a compensated bridge, the bass a tune-o-matic 3 point bridge.
The guitar has one or two single coil pickups (P-90’s), the bass a DeCola humbucker with coil tap.
The guitar has typical white button tuners (though not 3 in line tuners), the bass has Hipshot Ultra Lights.
Too bad it seems to be discontinued, a great bargain though......
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Mine is very comfortable. Makes it hard to want to play the 5 string. Maybe I'll go back to 4. I still really like my EPI T Bird Pro, also. I do find the short scale ot the Les Paul some how "eases" the automatic mind-body connection with bass...I e. easier to play without having to think about it too much.
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You guys are making me jealous with all your cool new blue basses! Those were very tempting, but I'm currently in a selling mood. Geddy Lee Jazz and Spector NS-2A are about to go up for sale. I think I want another Ric. 8)
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Mine is very comfortable. Makes it hard to want to play the 5 string. Maybe I'll go back to 4. I still really like my EPI T Bird Pro, also. I do find the short scale ot the Les Paul some how "eases" the automatic mind-body connection with bass...I e. easier to play without having to think about it too much.
I love my long scale 4s (not a 5 guy) but I agree with you about the automatic connection with a short scale.
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I thought this was sort of interesting. I sent the warranty card for the DC Bass like I usually do, it came back.....
(https://i.imgur.com/zSvps6n.png)
Did Gibson close more than the plant in Memphis?
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I like the blue!
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I thought this was sort of interesting. I sent the warranty card for the DC Bass like I usually do, it came back.....
(https://i.imgur.com/zSvps6n.png)
Did Gibson close more than the plant in Memphis?
I'm glad I didn't bother to mail the warranty card. I'm also glad I was able to get the Gator case. Not only was it a great fit, but somehow it was 20% off.
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I thought this was sort of interesting. I sent the warranty card for the DC Bass like I usually do, it came back.....
Did Gibson close more than the plant in Memphis?
Gibson is completely out of Memphis. I can't see the address under the returned notice, was it addressed to Memphis?
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Gibson is completely out of Memphis. I can't see the address under the returned notice, was it addressed to Memphis?
I just looked at mine. It's a Nashville P.O. box.
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If anyone's interested, CME just dropped the price on their Limited Edition Worn Yellow basses to $749...
https://reverb.com/item/29547297-gibson-usa-les-paul-junior-dc-bass-worn-tv-yellow-w-tortoise-pickguard-chrome-cover-cme-exclusive
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My second warranty registration form was just returned, so it wasn't Post Office error. I'll register them online.......
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Unless something has changed recently, you don't have to register it to have warranty coverage. All you need is proof of purchase.
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I’m not sure either. They are under new management. The card says it must be returned within 15 days of purchase. It asks for all of your personal information plus a survey. Registering online is just name, date & place of purchase, serial # & color.
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I’m not sure either. They are under new management. The card says it must be returned within 15 days of purchase. It asks for all of your personal information plus a survey. Registering online is just name, date & place of purchase, serial # & color.
Call Hoffman Guitars, they're the area Gibson warranty dealer. That's who took care of my defective SG Bass.
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I think most warranties are by law? I think in Europe everything has 2 years, as long as you can proof when you've bought it.
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I think most warranties are by law? I think in Europe everything has 2 years, as long as you can proof when you've bought it.
Not in the US, although most manufacturers don't require registration. One notable exception in the musical instruments business: Rickenbacker.
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I attempted to cut together a demo video of my DC Jr showing various tones it can do...
with different techniques and settings.
I haven't tried making anything like this in a long time, it was fun!
Here it is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac22aO3eKYA&feature=youtu.be
I was terribly out of practice and am embarassed about my timing and mistakes, but it sounds good enough that I wanted to share anyway.
In all cases the volume is on 10; the tone is on 10 except a section toward the end, noted in the subtitles, where the tone is on zero.
These were all recorded through the DI on an old Edirol USB audio interface.
No amp, no mic, no EQ, no compression, no post-processing at all.
It's a mix of improvisation and various basslines that are fun to play around with, no attempt at accurately reproducing a recording.
Gratuitous slap warning toward the end ;D
The segments are:
Pick - improv
Pick - coil tap - improv
Fingers - improv
Fingers - coil tap - improv
Muted pick - coil tap - "Don't Give Up"
Bright percussive fingerstyle - "Nobody's fault but mine"
Bright percussive fingerstyle - coil tap - "Caught in a Mosh"
Bright/hard fingerstyle - "War Pigs"
Fingers - coil tapped - tone zero - "Memphis Soul Stew"
Fingers - tone zero - "Memphis Soul Stew"
Slap - improv
Slap - coil tapped - improv
Drop D - hard fingerstyle - "In the Engine Room"
I finished up with Mike Watt's "In the Engine Room" because I discovered this shorty can do a surprisingly good drop-D, and the tone (without coil tap) reminded me a bit of the T-bird II he used for that song. Certainly not as full with my primitive recording, and of course a very different instrument/pickup, but to me it was at least somewhat reminiscent.
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Great video! Thanks!
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That's very good and comprehensive.
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Nice video and a good sounding bass.
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Thanks, Paul. I definitely prefer the full humbucker tone to the coil tap.
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Great demo! Thanks for putting that together!
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Thanks everybody!
I also favor the full humbucker sound. I think I could use the tap for some songs. Sad I won't get to try it in band context anytime soon. Practice cancelled until further notice. Damn virus :(
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Nice one Paul.
I prefer the full humbucking mode too.
But for slapping the single coil sounds most appropriate.
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Nice. I particularly liked Nobody's Fault...
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I mostly play pickstyle. But I'm noticing this bass seems to get an above average sound with fingerstyle playing. At least that's my impression.
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I noticed the coil switch doesn't have as much noise as I'd expect from going fully single coil.
And somebody in this thread (sorry I forget who) mentioned there's a capacitor wired to the switch.
I wondered what that could do?
A bit of googling turned up this excerpt of this article - the description sounds pretty accurate for how the switch behaves:
Tuned Coil Tap
This pickup wiring is featured in some Gibson guitars and basses. It resembles a coil split, because there’s a connection to the junction of a humbucker’s two coils. But it also resembles a tap, because it doesn’t take the coil out of the signal path. Instead, it sends signal to ground through a capacitor, which filters only certain frequencies. This provides a gentle midrange scoop—like a single-coil, there’s more apparent high end, but much of the humbucker’s low end remains (as do some of the hum-canceling properties). Changing the capacitor value alters the tuned coil tap effect.
- from https://www.guitarplayer.com/technique/get-smart-taps-splits-and-tuned-coil-taps-demystified
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I stay with my first impression: this bass is the perfect bass for people who want a Gibson sound and are used to Fender guitars: Pickup in the middle, not very small body and neck, good for finger style. Being used to a Fender-style bass (so almost ANY other bass) you feel strange playing a Tbird or EB3. This one feels more natural. And the coil tap brings you a bit more into P/Rock territory.
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Agreed with the above...except...
I find the coil tap to be not particularly useful...the double coil mode has a very useful mid-range bump for cutting through the mix...and this is pretty much from a Fender guy...
It does get a very pure bass sound that sits very well in the mix. Love it so far. Specially the short scale.
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Isn’t this bass using the exact electronics that is used on the neck pickup of the EB bass?
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yes.
The placement is closer to the bridge, though. Neck pickup on the EB tends to woof a little bit more (more sub-lows).
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I've never seen anything about what difference there is between the neck and bridge pickups of the EB. Bridge pickups are often wound a little hotter but who knows in this case.
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I've never seen anything about what difference there is between the neck and bridge pickups of the EB. Bridge pickups are often wound a little hotter but who knows in this case.
I've had two EB basses in with broken bridge pickups, and the new units I got from Gibson (marked EB Bridge) measured roughly the same as the neck units. Maybe I have written it down on the orders, if I can find them.
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Could the only difference be just lead wire length?
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Or maybe the polepiece spacing is a little wider at the bridge.
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It looks like the clearance price might be over. Guitar Center raised the price on its remaining cherry stain basses back to 999.00.
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CME still has their worn white exclusive run at $749. They're out of other colors. Sweetwater, Sam Ash and zZounds/American Musical are completely out. It must be discontinued.
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Oddly, GC has re-listed the two versions of the DC Les Paul guitars keeping the price drop. They even have three color choices for the LP Special. Why sell six strings at a clearance price & sell basses at full retail? The stores actually raised the price after Presidents Day, but price matched the on-line price. This could be the last short scale LP bass for many years...........
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You don't hear about the 2011 bass (below) and it's likely you won't hear much more about the LP Junior Tribute DC bass, either as time goes on.
https://www.notreble.com/buzz/2011/05/09/gibson-releases-lp-junior-dc-bass/
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Yep, probably another gone quick and forgotten.
It's too bad. Initial misgivings aside (from trying one with terrible action in a store through an amp I didn't like), I really like the one I got.
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I'm glad I acted in time. I learned from past mistakes to strike while the iron is hot.
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I had totally forgotten about the 2011 DC bass. I ended up buying the LP Standard OS bass that same year. Two Les Paul Basses in the same year! And they both came in a HSC. (I hate gig bags)
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I had totally forgotten about the 2011 DC bass. I ended up buying the LP Standard OS bass that same year. Two Les Paul Basses in the same year! And they both came in a HSC. (I hate gig bags)
Both the 2011 bass in Pelham blue and the new one in blue stain look really good. I think at this point the 2011 bass would be considered somewhat rare. I wish I had bought one. I certainly gave it some thought. That's why in 2020 I wasn't about to make the same mistake twice. The main reason I didn't get blue stain is because I wasn't going to pay a hundred more just because I liked the color. I liked all the colors, though, anyway.
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The 2011 DC bass didn't have the unbroken curve of the original. The new one has the correct body shape.
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The 2011 DC bass didn't have the unbroken curve of the original. The new one has the correct body shape.
It might have been better to call the 2011 model the "LP Junior Signature" bass, but maybe that was problematic.
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They have one on Ebay now, you would have to really want it at $1,600.........
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Rare-2011-Gibson-Les-Paul-Junior-DC-Bass/114162567407?hash=item1a949e88ef:g:uFIAAOSwQmhegOai
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You'd also have to really want the LP Junior Tribute DC bass to pay some of the prices on EBAY. I don't know what's going on with that. I rarely keep up with EBAY.
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You'd also have to really want the LP Junior Tribute DC bass to pay some of the prices on EBAY. I don't know what's going on with that. I rarely keep up with EBAY.
All of those listings are from Japanese sellers. Most or all of them don't actually own the basses and don't have them in their possession. If you buy one, the eBay seller will buy it at a retailer for somewhat less and ship it to you.
No one in most of the world will buy one at those prices, but these sellers have also been doing it with used gear for several years now, and occasionally a decent deal pops up. A couple of years ago, Ilan bought a used bass from a Japanese seller that was listed by several other sellers. Even after Ilan received it, at least one other seller continued to list it.
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I wasn't sure, but I thought it might be something like that.
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GC was down to just faded cherry, now I see that they have all four colors back in stock again. Full price though.....
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I just checked. They're also all back at AMS at full price. That just happened. Because I was just looking at some other stuff not long ago and the LP Junior DC basses hadn't returned at that time.
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CME on Reverb still has its special run (white, w/chrome cover pickup) at $749. Three in stock.
I see that a Reverb store called Manchester Music Mill has a couple in stock at full price but you get a free Gibson hoodie. What a deal! :mrgreen:
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CME on Reverb still has its special run (white, w/chrome cover pickup) at $749. Three in stock.
I see that a Reverb store called Manchester Music Mill has a couple in stock at full price but you get a free Gibson hoodie. What a deal! :mrgreen:
What pickups does that hoodie have?
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What pickups does that hoodie have?
None, but you do get an autographed picture. JC Curleigh or Henry J, your choice! :mrgreen: