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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: Dave W on December 13, 2014, 09:58:16 PM
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I was in St. Paul this afternoon near Willie's American Guitars so I stopped in. On the wall in the bass area, they had a cherry '65 EB-2 in EX condition for $1895. Fair enough price. Then on a separate stand near the front, they had a walnut finish '68 EB-2 in VG+ to EX- condition, nylon saddle two-point bridge, and it was $2500.
Reason? the '68 is on consignment from Sheryl Crow and has been used on tour and on at least one of her recordings.
No thanks. If I were in the market, I'd buy the '65, no question. If I bought hers, I'd have to have it disinfected on the off-chance it had been touched or played by Kid Rock. :P
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I'd rather have a bass that has been less played. A bass played by a celebrity is still a used bass. I don't know if I could possibly have a more apathetic attitude about instruments played by famous people.
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It doesn't mean I wouldn't ever ask for an autograph. I would have definitely asked for Jack Bruce's autograph if given the opportunity. But as for other stuff, I just don't much care about that.
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Hey, when a well-know musician has owned an instrument, the price usually goes up.
Some like the musician, some don't. Fair enough - market value still goes up.
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I was in St. Paul this afternoon near Willie's American Guitars so I stopped in. On the wall in the bass area, they had a cherry '65 EB-2 in EX condition for $1895. Fair enough price. Then on a separate stand near the front, they had a walnut finish '68 EB-2 in VG+ to EX- condition, nylon saddle two-point bridge, and it was $2500.
Reason? the '68 is on consignment from Sheryl Crow and has been used on tour and on at least one of her recordings.
No thanks. If I were in the market, I'd buy the '65, no question. If I bought hers, I'd have to have it disinfected on the off-chance it had been touched or played by Kid Rock. :P
SEXIST!! :)
Actually, I own a number of former celeb instruments. The reason is not because of who owned them. I could really care less. The real reason to buy celeb instruments is because the maker usually puts more care and attention to detail in its celeb builds, unless that brand blows doggie dick and the celeb is only doing it for cash.
Also, in many true made-for-celeb axes, there are features that mere mortals may never be able to order.
So, generally speaking, you should have a better and more unique instrument when you have a former celeb piece.
Sort of the same general reason for buying NAMM/trade show booth/exhibit builds.
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Hey, when a well-know musician has owned an instrument, the price usually goes up.
Some like the musician, some don't. Fair enough - market value still goes up.
I think one thing that has always bothered me the most about it is that famous musicians tend to put an instrument through more use than might be considered typical. If it's one of their favorite instruments, it has been through a lot. Some of these people are on the road almost the whole year. I'd prefer a new musical instrument or one that has barely been played.
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SEXIST!! :)
Actually, I own a number of former celeb instruments. The reason is not because of who owned them. I could really care less. The real reason to buy celeb instruments is because the maker usually puts more care and attention to detail in its celeb builds, unless that brand blows doggie dick and the celeb is only doing it for cash.
Also, in many true made-for-celeb axes, there are features that mere mortals may never be able to order.
So, generally speaking, you should have a better and more unique instrument when you have a former celeb piece.
Sort of the same general reason for buying NAMM/trade show booth/exhibit builds.
I'm sexist because I hate Kid Rock? ;D If I wanted to hear yowling and howling, I'd rather listen to neighborhood cats than to him.
You're probably right about made-for-celeb axes. Sheryl's EB-2 was straight stock though. Same with the Epi Embassy she had consigned there. Good condition but not worth more to me.
OTOH there are a handful of performers whose guitar or bass would mean something more to me.
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I could possibly imagine you coveting a Martin that may have been used by Hank Williams... I'd certainly be honoured to own such a beastie...
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Nate must have the market cornered on used Sheryl Crow gear...............
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I could possibly imagine you coveting a Martin that may have been used by Hank Williams... I'd certainly be honoured to own such a beastie...
Few would fall into that category, though, of being legendary artists who were larger than life. He just happens to be one of a small number, IMO.
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Nate must have the market cornered on used Sheryl Crow gear...............
If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad.
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Michael...! :mrgreen:
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:mrgreen:
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Michael...! :mrgreen:
Sheryl don't bring him anything but down. ;)
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Sheryl don't bring him anything but down. ;)
She might be my favorite mistake.
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I really don't see Sheryl Crow once having owned/played it adding any value. Names llike Bruce, Entwistle, Jaco sure. My Hiwatt DR201 belonged to Dave Hill I don't think that adds to the value one dime.......................might even hurt it's value.
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Maybe one of Lance's old yellow jerseys ended up stuffed inside the body. That might be worth something :-\
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We saw Lance bicycling on some cul-de-sac road when we toured the West Coast. Somewhere in Northern California, close to some reservoir lake. Bice scenery. All alone on his bike, yellow Jersey and all. Doping or no doping, he was still faster than me on it. (Now that he has been kicked down by everybody, I feel a natural reluctance to join; I found it kind of touching that he is still at it - bike riding I mean, hopefully not doping -, but then I never believed that there has ever been an undoped Tour de France winner in any case.)
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Lance is despised much more for the damage he did to others' reputations with his years of lies and lawsuits than for his doping.
Ask Greg LeMond (http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/280231442.html) about that.
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He was a habitual liar and a bully. But then believing that top athletes are somehow nice or even interesting people (all the guys in school who were great athletes were never interesting as people) is a myth. I'm so callous about it, because athletes never played a role in my life. I find watching sports even more boring than participating in them. Edith is fascinated watching Grand Prix racing, to me its like watching a rodent in a hamster wheel. Tennis, soccer, ice hockey, basketball, beach volleyball, boxing, bicycle riding, swimming, horse riding, weight lifting, skiing, running, javelins .. it's all equally boring to me. Wait a minnit, Sumo wrestling is ok, I like the ritualistic aspects of it. The grunting and sand throwing. :)
I avoid sports shows and sports bars like the plague. I haven't watched anything from the Olympics (except snippets from the opening and closing ceremonies) for decades. It figures that I didn't even recognize Lance, Edith did.
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There is nothing more boring on earth than to be stuck in a relative's house (like during the holidays) when a sporting event is going on. It would be hard to say what is the most boring: golf, racing, baseball, basketball, the list goes on. It can get mind-numbing. I will say, however, that sometimes I can watch football or soccer, but that's about it. I agree that athletes tend to be boring. Maybe that's a generalization, but it's one that may be rooted in reality.
I have participated in plenty of sporting events in my youth. I was even pretty good at track. It was all boring. Being in a rock band in high school was so much more meaningful. Words cannot express. Yes, it's possible to do a lot of things all at the same time, but I'm not interested.
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The other side for me - I'm usually up for watching a football or baseball game. Not interested in basketball unless Washington State or Colorado State (my employer) is playing. I like college football better than NFL, but I follow the Seahawks, Packers and occasionally the Broncos. No interest in soccer or other stuff.
I watch a LOT of the Olympics. Even if I don't really understand the sport, it's interesting to watch people performing at the limit of human capability. There is something compelling about watching really extreme endeavor. Gymnastics involve stuff that I don't know how people do.
I played a year of football in high school but wasn't good at it. I found that I was pretty good at softball, and I've generally managed to avoid disgracing myself at most sports. I surprised myself in college by being pretty good at fencing!
It takes all kinds.
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I've heard of sport... I believe it's quite popular...
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"I watch a LOT of the Olympics. Even if I don't really understand the sport, it's interesting to watch people performing at the limit of human capability. There is something compelling about watching really extreme endeavor. Gymnastics involve stuff that I don't know how people do."
I hear you. Edith is like that too. She likes mountaineering books and films, I am perplexed why anybody would want to climb K2 - there is really nothing there except a hostile environment not intended for humans - and believe that mountaineering deaths are a reckless waste of human lives for nothing at all. Well, at least some sherpas and their families make a living off rich, bored Westerners, that is a consoling aspect of it.
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I'll combine two points here... ladies beach volleyball... because it's there... :mrgreen:
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OMG - another Sports Illustrated swim suit issue die... erm ...hard!
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Are they making a sixth Die Hard movie...?
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All joking aside: yes. It's in early pre-production as far as I know.
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All joking aside: yes. It's in early pre-production as far as I know.
Coming up, Pongo´s review of Rocky five….. thousand!
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I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes ;)
Makes me miss Joan Rivers. Now if there was a Joan Rivers bass for sale, that would get my attention. Probably would be a better investment over time than the Sheryl Crow bass too.
May the Schwartz be with you!
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May the Schwartz be with you!
Never miss a cue....
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Guess I shouldn't be surprised that a lot of us are on the same page regarding sports. I was never much of a sports guy. When I was a kid, it was all about cars. Then when I got my first bass at age 13, music became all consuming. I do watch hockey (cause we have a great team!) casually, and auto racing that involves turning left AND right (though the open wheel F1/Indy cars get a little boring). That's about it for me!
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no sports for me either. Always been a "band geek"
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[Oz-speak] Strewth, sport... chuck us over another tinnie whilst you've got the esky open... [/Oz-speak]
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I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes ;)
Makes me miss Joan Rivers. Now if there was a Joan Rivers bass for sale, that would get my attention. Probably would be a better investment over time than the Sheryl Crow bass too.
May the Schwartz be with you!
Yikes! Sheryl Crow in her worst nightmares could never be as tasteless and unfunny as Joan Rivers (IMHO of course).
Back on topic: the EB-2 in question (http://williesguitars.com/index.cfm/basses/10/inventory/7) has been on extended tour with Sheryl Crow and has been on stage with Clapton. Not worth a penny more to me, but it will be to somebody.
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I think one thing that has always bothered me the most about it is that famous musicians tend to put an instrument through more use than might be considered typical. If it's one of their favorite instruments, it has been through a lot. Some of these people are on the road almost the whole year. I'd prefer a new musical instrument or one that has barely been played.
On the other hand while they may be worn and even beat up looking they are kept in top playing shape by professional techs.
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On the other hand while they may be worn and even beat up looking they are kept in top playing shape by professional techs.
Nevertheless, unless it's somebody super famous who I am a devoted fan of, something like that is still probably not going to appeal to me much personally. But I'm the guy more likely to make a fool out of himself by asking for a celebrity's autograph while my friends might be embarrassed and trying to act like they don't know me.
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Does Sheryl wash hands a lot? Just wondrin'. And if they add her bike saddle as case candy?
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Does Sheryl wash hands a lot? Just wondrin'. And if they add her bike saddle as case candy?
Uwe! ;D
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Yes, it was inappropriate and doesn't do her body full justice. Body of artistic work I mean. I feel guilty now. We need a compliance officer in this forum. Someone to confess and blow whistles with.
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I don't watch football, baseball basketball or golf ( total waste of time). I however played lacrosse when in Middle and High school. Best excuse I had to beat someone with a stick. Great game I enjoyed it immensely.
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Yes, it was inappropriate and doesn't do her body full justice. Body of artistic work I mean. I feel guilty now. We need a compliance officer in this forum. Someone to confess and blow whistles with.
Actually, I have the feeling that some members of this forum are highly compliant, especially when addressed by slinky people wearing black leather.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzaifhSw2c
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hEXVopJj9Q
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I think Uwe's saddle comment was a bit below the belt... :vader: :rimshot:
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What can I say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM09jdrAK7M
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Yikes! Sheryl Crow in her worst nightmares could never be as tasteless and unfunny as Joan Rivers (IMHO of course).
What are you a Mormon Dave? Joan was one of the great comics and a brave outspoken woman who had to use her wits to succeed in chauvinist male dominated industry. Even better, she wasn't afraid to stick her thumb in the face of Emperor in chief Obama. Jerry Lewis rules too.
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I'm Catholic and I like Obama (well, someone has to!) plus have visited Cuba (that is now safe to say) and Iran (that will be safe to say pretty soon!) on business, but I believe ole Joan sure had some hilarious OTT moments! Bit like a female Gene Simmons in places with the coarseness/vulgarity of her truths. Satire doesn't have to be tasteful. Joan was so across the board divisive and outrageous with what she said and quipped, it all evened out in the end.
"What may satire do? Everything."
"The satirist is an offended idealist: He wants the world to be good, it is bad, and now he runs up against the bad."
Kurt Tucholsky, German-Jewish journalist, satirist and writer in 1919
http://kurttucholsky.blogspot.de/2006/02/was-darf-die-satire.html
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I rest my case about the black leather parts.... ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK8TgL-XJP8
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I'm Catholic and I like Obama (well, someone has to!) plus have visited Cuba (that is now safe to say) and Iran (that will be safe to say pretty soon!) on business... Satire doesn't have to be tasteful... it all evened out in the end...
Uwe... for you... by a much lamented satirist, par excellence... from a juggler of words... to a highly skilled linguist...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkHn7WFrzCU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlMmwOq7U8
If the hat fits... ;)
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Come on, guys, let's leave politics and religion out of this.
Phyllis Diller was the real trailblazer who deserved the credit Joan Rivers was given after she died. IIRC Rivers did give Diller credit for that.
Yes, Joan Rivers was unafraid, but to me she was tasteless and unfunny. Not my idea of comedy.
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gotta agree with Dave here...no Joan for me
Comedy doesn't have to be tasteful...look at Benny Hill or Red Green...
at least they're funny...IMOH
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There is no right or wrong when it comes to comedy. In other words, different people are going to think different things are funny. When they showed "The Three Stooges" in the afternoon when we were kids, my sister and I would have totally different reactions. My mother later on described it all in some detail. She said that was the only thing on TV which caused me to laugh out loud really loud. In general, I have always been somewhat of a quiet person, especially when I was a child. She said my sister would sit there with a straight face never laughing. Later I asked my sister about all this and she said she didn't think anything the Three Stooges ever did was funny.
In more recent times, Seinfeld became my favorite situation comedy by far. It's dated now, fading into the past. But while it was on I really enjoyed it. My sister was always baffled that anyone would think Seinfeld is funny at all. She says she absolutely cannot relate to it at all. Yet I relate to it completely. I think it's brilliant. It's probably the funniest thing I have ever seen on TV.
Of course I think the real issue goes way beyond just what different people think is funny. Sticking with the example of my sister and me, we seem to differ on just about everything: food, movies, music, you name it. These are not just male/female differences, either, although that is quite a factor. I just think we're structured radically different as people. I'm sure the world as a whole has situations like this happening all the time. There would be literally billions of examples.
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I never got Seinfeld at all.
Some years back, Charlie Callas cracked me up every time.
Whose Line is It Anyway keeps me rolling on the floor.
One can never tell.....
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I can't think of a show I dislike more than "Whose Line Is It Anyway." Every time I encountered it while flipping through the channels, I would be astounded that it was still on the air. Maybe I never watched it enough to give it a chance. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much comedy that appeals to me much anymore.
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I miss the Bowery Boys....used to be on every afternoon after school
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I can't think of a show I dislike more than "Whose Line Is It Anyway." Every time I encountered it while flipping through the channels, I would be astounded that it was still on the air. Maybe I never watched it enough to give it a chance. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much comedy that appeals to me much anymore.
Interesting! "Whose Line" is the only show I can think of in the last 20 years that has had my whole family laughing so hard it brought tears to our eyes.
But it's cool, different strokes and all that. When I see shows like "Mom" and "The Murphys" on TV, I'm stunned that anyone watches them. I loathe "comedies" that involve people putting each other down constantly.
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"Whose Line" can be hysterical most of the time IMO. Other times it misses the mark. My daughter loved it and made us watch it with her. I enjoyed it most of the time. Loved Seinfeld too! Also loved Arrested Development and that is usually a love-it-or-hate-it kind of reaction with people.
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Interesting! "Whose Line" is the only show I can think of in the last 20 years that has had my whole family laughing so hard it brought tears to our eyes.
But it's cool, different strokes and all that. When I see shows like "Mom" and "The Murphys" on TV, I'm stunned that anyone watches them. I loathe "comedies" that involve people putting each other down constantly.
I got to thinking last night who I had already discussed "Whose Line" with. I was friends with someone for a few years who really liked it. She found it hard to believe I didn't like it. Our sense of humor was obviously radically different. Our taste in music was even more radically different. I liked her very much as a person, but we drifted apart since we had no common ground. She wanted me to listen to her favorite band "Owl City." I tried not to be rude, but I simply could not stand listening to that kind of music.
(My response after only listening to it for a few minutes was "Please God, no...")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi-nEY8kL_0
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I'm with you on Owl City. Not my thing at all...spot checking 3 or 4 spots for 10 seconds each was enough to guarantee that.
But I'm sitting here listening to George Thorogood on Pandora, and I think you could consider him the exact opposite of Owl City. "Bad to the Bone" is a mega-classic IMO.
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I'm with you on Owl City. Not my thing at all...spot checking 3 or 4 spots for 10 seconds each was enough to guarantee that.
But I'm sitting here listening to George Thorogood on Pandora, and I think you could consider him the exact opposite of Owl City. "Bad to the Bone" is a mega-classic IMO.
George Thorogood; yes, that's more like it.
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I can hear Bad to the Bone / Get a Haircut / One bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer / Madison Blues / Who Do You Love / Move it on Over anytime.
We do Get a haircut in my band - it's a real crowd pleaser. Want to add more Thorogood. Saw him at Red Rocks this summer! He is no spring chicken, but he still rocks hard.
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I can hear Bad to the Bone / Get a Haircut / One bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer / Madison Blues / Who Do You Love / Move it on Over anytime.
We do Get a haircut in my band - it's a real crowd pleaser. Want to add more Thorogood. Saw him at Red Rocks this summer! He is no spring chicken, but he still rocks hard.
Well, there are still a few out there playing at that age. ZZ Top comes to mind, although when I saw them they were way younger. I think it's great to still play if you feel like it. A few like Paul McCartney are even older and still playing. I have doubts that Eric Clapton will keep touring for much longer, though. It's hard to know.
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I saw Status Quo on the Download Festival on Palladia several hours ago. They're in that age range, too.
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The Moody Blues are still touring although Ray Thomas retired in 2002and Norda Mullen has taken his spot - and I might add, she is a fantastic instrumentalist! I can attest that they are still well worth the price of a ticket.
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Any time I think of them, I automatically think of "Go Now." That's despite the fact that Denny Laine left them very early on. He may be even more associated with Wings and Air Force now.
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IMHO...their music has aged better than many bands...I like their music better now than I did in the 70's.
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Any time I think of them, I automatically think of "Go Now." That's despite the fact that Denny Laine left them very early on. He may be even more associated with Wings and Air Force now.
The only Moody Blues album I have even owned, and IMO, the best and bluesiest.
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I have a recording of their performance at Red Rocks, and I saw them in the 90's live at The Woodlands north of Houston, performing with the Houston Symphony Orchestra. Their rock/orchestral creations are incredibly beautiful - and still rock!
It probably says a lot that the Moody Blues are my personal favorite band.
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Any time I think of them, I automatically think of "Go Now." That's despite the fact that Denny Laine left them very early on. He may be even more associated with Wings and Air Force now.
Same here!
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@mojohobo & rob
Great minds think alike.