The Last Bass Outpost
Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Basvarken on October 06, 2020, 01:29:24 PM
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Lost the battle against cancer today...
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/oct/06/eddie-van-halen-dead-age-65
His talent was immense. He influenced several generations of guitarists. Changed the landscape completely.
Rust zacht Edward.
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I just read about it. R. I. P Eddie. I suppose words about his impact are not necessary because he was rightfully never underrated.
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R.I.P. Eddie
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rip... :sad:
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That hits home. :-\ Wherever you go, Flying Dutchman, let the place erupt.
And thanks for that great gig at Nassau Coliseum in 1988. Your playing was exquisite though you hardly tapped that night.
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RIP...
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RIP
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RIP. Terrible news in a year already filled with bad news.
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Been in a funk since I heard, I knew it was coming for over two years but it still gutted me. RIP
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Sad. For better and for worse, he changed guitar playing overnight. Literally. I was 14 and getting into the swing of being in a band when VH's debut was released. Within 2-3 years, I was off the party rock bus and on to other things, but I will always love all the Roth-era stuff. Saw them in 1979 on their first headlining tour in support of VH II at the Aragon brawl room. Didn't see them again until Dave came back (2015?), and I'm glad I did. Rest in Peace King Edward!
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I found this interesting .
https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/van-halen-ted-templeman/?fbclid=IwAR0GA7926RMi6N8FmajE0qEEfIaNXpKiVhwzpOYndgHjB7WNkTCF6mzeMIo
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"I didn’t know it at the time, but David Lee Roth had patterned himself after Jim “Dandy” Mangrum of Black Oak Arkansas."
That shouldn't have taken longer than 10 seconds. When I first saw DLR, I thought it was a bad pic of Jim Dandy.
His (not really singing) voice sounded like Jim Dandy's too - though that is doing the latter injustice because he was never as off-key.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJXM-ssg2Hg
I believe every word. Getting DLR's vocals down must have been cut and paste, word for word, tone for tone. He was tone-deaf and still is. I don't think it's intentional or negligent, but a real disability, just like some people are innumerate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1neYmHia1a4&list=RD1neYmHia1a4&start_radio=1&t=80
DLR's vocals were the one thing that always held me back from digging VH too much. Call me old-fashioned, but especially with a hard rock or heavy metal outfit, I expect the lead vocalist to be top notch - think of Rob Halford or Steven Tyler. If you have to scream above the melee, friggin' do it right and in tune! DLR's hisses, catwhistles, falsetto shrieks and yelps never sounded in tune to me, even on record. I always wondered "Am I the only one hearing this, what's wrong with me?" ;D
Venn in Tshörmanny vee vhissle, vee dö it richtig, jawohl!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ
Even Udo, no Caruso himself, was more on target, but then wearing camouflage must help with that! 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq0khKsgthY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zABE5G9K0CU
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I found this interesting .
https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/van-halen-ted-templeman/?fbclid=IwAR0GA7926RMi6N8FmajE0qEEfIaNXpKiVhwzpOYndgHjB7WNkTCF6mzeMIo
Great read. Thanx for sharing
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You obviously can't discuss taste or the lack thereof.
Nobody -except Uwe Hornung- would bring up Udo Dirkschneider in an Edward van Halen remembrance topic. :mrgreen:
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(https://media2.giphy.com/media/KbedXzUt8eRxSOOuil/giphy.gif)
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There are plenty of bands which have a weak link, like David Lee Roth as a lead singer. But they may also have another member super talented such as Eddie Van Halen. Besides that, judging singing can get a little subjective. It can get down to just being a matter of opinion sometimes, but certainly not always. I was once in a band in which the lead singer was more of a showman than a singer. I hadn't been very happy about adding him to the band. but he did begin to fit in and got better as time went on. When he left unexpectedly, I wasn't glad to see him go at all. He had only been with the band a year, but in that time made a positive contribution.
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Tribute to Eddie Van Halen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZtQR24ouV8
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DLR was/is a loveable loudmouth, can be hugely witty, entertain and was a sight to see, but his vocal inabilities were glaring. We're not taking about limits or being a one-trick-pony. That Japanese live album Van Halen did late in their career ... All the studio doctoring could not hide the fact why they had curiously (for a hard rock outfit), but wisely never released a live album with the DLR line up before.
That doesn't make Eddie less a giant and VH's successes any less impressive. When I saw VH(agar) live, they were a well-oiled, ebullient stadium rock machine with inspired/witty moments and palpable camaraderie, no weak link in the band at all. I've always thought Michael Anthony underrated though he played/plays with Chickenfoot/Hagar with a lot more freedom than he did with VH.
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Invariably, all threads lead to Ritchie and in this case also some other guy once name-checked by DP:
Ritchie Blackmore paid tribute to the fellow guitar wizard:
"Eddie Van Halen was a brilliant guitarist who started a technique of guitar playing which was emulated by a whole generation of guitarists. He was one of the nicest musicians I ever met in the music business. Very shy and not at all conceited about his ability as a guitar player.
Frank Zappa said [Eddie] reinvented the guitar. I agree.
He will be sadly missed but his brilliant legacy will always be remembered. The ultimate guitar hero."
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The mighty Van Halen when they were on top of their game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGTuLoMMAWQ
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And wiped the floor with Black Sabbath, t'is true. Everyone was impressed, I remember people who saw them at the time (for some reason - probably money - I couldn't go).
Michael Anthony's vocals are pitch-perfect.
I heard Van Halen for the first time via AFN (American Forces Network, the US Military radio station in Germany). And then a friend bought the debut album and we sat around listening to it, marvelling at the larger than life cover. Two things struck me back then, Eddie's liquid solos (which I wrongly assumed to have been doctored in the studio, I had no idea what tapping was) and the neat high-pitch multi-harmony backing vocals (dito), which reminded me of Sweet. Overall, there was a gloss (without sacrificing power) to the production of that first album that you hadn't heard before back then. Oh, and one other thing I deemed even "brave" back then: Eddie did not dub rhythm guitar or keyboards when he soloed, but relied just on drums and bass. That was rare in the 70ies, but became very much de rigueur in the 80ies with bands that had just one guitarist and I believe VH's arrangements on their debut played a large role in that.
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I was lost in the shuffle and mostly just listening to the Chess catalogue when Van Halen happened . But knowing a bunch of rock poodles I was quite aware of their impact and influence .
I missed Led Zep too ...
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And wiped the floor with Black Sabbath, t'is true. Everyone was impressed, I remember people who saw them at the time (for some reason - probably money - I couldn't go).
You rarely hear that kind of crowd response when it comes to a one album released opening act. Just listen to the encore chant.
Michael Anthony's vocals are pitch-perfect.
His high pitched screams (chorus of D.O.A at 37:26 for example) always brings a smile to my face.
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Mary Spender reflecting on Eddie Van Halen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7WVFz4e_yI
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Never 'eard of 'er (though she was born in Germany as a British Army barrack brat), but when I pack up I want to be mourned by pretty 30-year-old women not related to me too.
She plays guitar - without nose wrinkle eruptions, would you believe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKsATUDn9lA
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I think she must be mostly a You Tube personality. I ran across her several years ago when she was doing the backup singing to some hard rock guy's music video. I think I mostly like her videos of being in music stores since I don't have many interesting ones I can visit myself. In this one, after running out of things to do, she even ends up in the bass section.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8UT-VfjDMY
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Too bad she didn't jump around in a swimsuit while playing eruption or something. That would have been more in keeping with honoring what Eddie would have wanted ;D
I think the job Rick Beato does here analyzing Running with the Devil is also a fitting tribute to Eddie's legacy and he even did it pre mortem before it was cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwjNDhSKPk0
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Might as well post Rick Beato's video after EVH's death, too. I had recently watched the one he has on why older people hate pop music, but hadn't seen his tribute to Eddie Van Halen yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MbR2e9J3WY
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Phil X about Eddie van Halen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jvEke3GfdM&t=2s
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How much did they pick up a Californian accent, Rob? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg9WFskPV4Y
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Alas!, tweeting - as we learn on a daily basis - is an art not mastered by all ...
https://www.guitarworld.com/news/david-crosby-apologizes-sort-of-for-eddie-van-halen-diss-says-he-didnt-remember-the-guitar-hero-had-just-died
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Given Crosby's near-legendary intake of mind-altering substances, it's surprising he remembers what country he's in, much less who passed away recently.
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I believe he is sincere when he says he was unaware or forgot or whatever. That's just the typical internet mob mentality. I don't understand why David Crosby's opinion matters so much and that so many people think he has taken a dump on their front lawn.
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How much did they pick up a Californian accent, Rob? ;)
I've read that the VH brothers spoke Dutch when they were among each other.
Sammy Hagar used to think they were taking the piss off him when they spoke Dutch.
And I also read -from Dutch people who really talked with them- that their Dutch was the typical fifties version of the Dutch language, because that was what they brought with them to the USA. Makes perfect sense I guess. When you're not in touch with the community you leave behind, that's what happens. Language keeps changing en developing. New words are added and the archaic ones slowly disappear.
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The vid I posted has them speaking Dutch, what does it sound like?
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I believe he is sincere when he says he was unaware or forgot or whatever. That's just the typical internet mob mentality. I don't understand why David Crosby's opinion matters so much and that so many people think he has taken a dump on their front lawn.
Exactly. Crosby doesn't like anybody anyway, and why should we care?
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Exactly. Crosby doesn't like anybody anyway, and why should we care?
Please put my name of the list as someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about Crosby. Thanks.
Yes, he made some contributions to music. But overall I just don't care. I don't wake up thinking of David Crosby or his music. I agree with him when he said he should have shut up about Eddie Van Halen. Like the cliched expression goes, if you don't have anything good to say about somebody, don't say anything at all.
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David Crosby says that family members have helped him realize that he is an idiot and that Eddie Van Halen was one of the greatest guitarists who ever lived.
https://loudwire.com/david-crosby-apologizes-eddie-van-halen-amazing/