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Title: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: Bionic-Joe on July 06, 2018, 08:51:01 AM

Does anybody here KNOW if the vintage 1960's Epiphone Embassy and Newport basses headstock's are the exact same size??? Thanks

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: 4stringer77 on July 07, 2018, 01:35:13 PM

The batwing version? I'm going to guess yes based on pics I've seen of both but that's purely speculative on my part.

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: Bionic-Joe on July 08, 2018, 04:41:04 PM

Yes the Batwing...(which most people don't know it's NOT a batwing but the letter "E") but I need someone to confirm. can someone measure the headstocks starting from the nuts to the tip of the headstock??

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: Dave W on July 09, 2018, 04:31:32 PM

I believe Uwe will be able to help you but he's very busy with work right now.

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: Bionic-Joe on July 11, 2018, 10:43:47 PM

That would be cool! My buddy Tony Carl has an Embassy with a repaired headstock...I saw a Newport neck for sale...thought that he could possibly use it for a NICE restoration scarf joint!

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: uwe on August 08, 2018, 05:24:27 PM

Unfortunately nope! Embassy is 11" (nut to end), Newport only 10 1/2" (nut to end) because the cheesy Newport tuners take up less room on the back ...

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: Basvarken on August 08, 2018, 09:53:01 PM

What exactly is so cheesy about them?  :o
(http://www.enkoo.nl/uploads/1/3/3/7/13376708/362634_orig.jpg)

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: Dave W on August 09, 2018, 06:52:48 AM

Quote from: Basvarken on August 08, 2018, 09:53:01 PM

What exactly is so cheesy about them?  :o
(http://www.enkoo.nl/uploads/1/3/3/7/13376708/362634_orig.jpg)

Some of the Newports had the cheaper tuners Gibson used on the Kalamazoos and occasionally on regular Gibsons.

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: Basvarken on August 09, 2018, 09:10:58 AM

Those look like they have a wider footprint than the ones in my pic.

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: Dave W on August 09, 2018, 01:04:15 PM

I think you're right.

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: uwe on August 10, 2018, 09:30:12 AM

That's the general issue with thought, not always to correct conclusions it doth lead!  :mrgreen:

The cheesy tuners are only 1 3/4" wide (the ones in Rob's pic almost 2"), they seem larger because the (my?) Newport headstock is a perfect miniature of the Embassy headstock (so they seem to take up more space). The Newport headstock is not only shorter but also less wide than the Embassy's (2 3/4" at the jagged protrusion in the middle of the  "E"/batwing as opposed to 3" with the Embassy).

What I can't rule out though is that the batwing headstock of the Newport came in two sizes (large and small), depending on what tuners they used.

Si(gh)ze matters!  :-\

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: Basvarken on August 11, 2018, 12:03:43 AM

Quote from: uwe on August 10, 2018, 09:30:12 AM

What I can't rule out though is that the batwing headstock of the Newport came in two sizes (large and small), depending on what tuners they used.

Looks like it, yes.

Title: Re: Are Epiphone Embassy & Newport Headstocks the exact same size?
Post by: Bionic-Joe on August 13, 2018, 08:37:31 PM

Thanks Guys!