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Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Dave W on July 26, 2016, 08:46:27 PM
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Music to die for: how genre affects popular musicians' life expectancy (https://theconversation.com/music-to-die-for-how-genre-affects-popular-musicians-life-expectancy-36660)
Also note the links to two previous articles.
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Sticking to blues... :mrgreen:
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Well apparently I'm lucky to still be alive. :o
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Learning quirky meters, PROG musicians obviously never die unless on concept albums at the end.
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Learning quirky meters, PROG musicians obviously never die unless on concept albums at the end.
They just bore US to death.
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Things don't look good :-\ I wonder if doing Girlie stuff counteracts.......
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Things don't look good :-\ I wonder if doing Girlie stuff counteracts.......
Based on the ads I see, I'm confident that wearing the makeup will not only extend life indefinitely, but keep you wrinkle-free! ;D
Actually, that study is a classic of the disconnect between correlation and causation. But it's fun.
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What the hell is the male & female life expectancy line on the graph? I don't think it has anything to do with the x axis of the graph...
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They just bore US to death.
OK, back to your room for a full listening of King Crimson's Red (Anniversary Edition), both the remaster AND the Steve Wilson new stereo mix. :mrgreen:
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They just bore US to death.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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The good news is that rap/hip-hop artists will eventually be in a circular firing squad.
What the hell is the male & female life expectancy line on the graph? I don't think it has anything to do with the x axis of the graph...
Details, details. :mrgreen:
I suspect it's a line of increasing life expectancy over the years.
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Does the figure of 19% of suicides for Metal musicians include music lovers who accidentally listen to Metal for the first time?
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Heavy metal - even the most depressive and desolate one - puts me in a good mood! Edith always incredulously asks: "Doesn't listening to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2riPeQpbQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM__lPTWThU
make you feel aggressive?" And I go: "No, on the contrary, it relaxes me. It's like sports activity (or sex!) to me."
These three always have me grinning from ear to ear, they're dumb in such a great way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_1ruZWJigo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTReZ0Ve1Fw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcj34XixuYg
Heavy metal is like McDonalds: A guilty pleasure, not good for you, you can't always take it seriously, but utterly reliable in its soothing effect. Not to be missed.
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Wow, just 2/5 for Judas Priest, there's hope for you Uwe! :P
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Priest were just a convenient example, but it has gotten worse, I have now become completist with 3rd league 70ies heavy rock behemoths such as Boxer, Bloodrock, Foghat ...
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That settles it. I'm officially undead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPMkNXVYFcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLbAyB675Hw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGGGh03jN4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk_ZguPqkvs
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Heavy metal - even the most depressive and desolate one - puts me in a good mood!
Heavy metal is like McDonalds: A guilty pleasure, not good for you, you can't always take it seriously, but utterly reliable in its soothing effect. Not to be missed.
True, however the videos you posted are great heavy rock, with not a Cookie Monster vocal or guitars detuned to C to be heard anywhere. When I think "metal", Sabbath or Metallica are not what I mean - that's just ROCK :-)
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Whether something is rock, hard rock, heavy rock or heavy metal, is not so much decided by scientific criteria but by religious faith, that is why I wanted to avoid discussing it! ;D
But even something like Slipknot can entertain me as I marvel about the intricate riffing and the cookie monster vocals sound so OTT silly. It's an interesting soundscape concept - for about one song.
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lol at cookie monster vocals, that so sums them up. is that an established term I haven't heard about or have you just christened it? all of the proponents i have talked with called it screaming which I never felt was right
I used to really hate them but have found with exposure over the years I have come to appreciate the nuances, i followed a similar trajectory with Bob Dylan's whining in my twenties and now he's one of my favourites.
I actually had a go at doing some on a college project and its surprisingly hard to get it to sound right
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Apparently the term has been around for a while! http://web.archive.org/web/20090103110228/http://opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110007902
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I can't handle "cookie monster" sound. To me it's not singing, and I can't understand a word of it, but the sound annoys me.
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The wiki entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_growl) is surprisingly detailed and it may upset some of you that the first pseudo-cookie rumblings are attributed to "Boris the Spider." I always thought that Cris Barnes from Cannibal Corpse and Barney Greenway from Napalm Death were the first do so exclusively. Lots of what you guys call "cookie monster vocals" isn't by strict definition but I can easily see that the subtle distinctions most metal diehards make are meaningless unless you understand the difference between death metal, black metal, grindcore and thrash. Slipknot is none of these, and much more of a pop/heavy rock act if only because Corey Taylor can actually sing at all. True "cookie monsters" can't. To underscore just how micro-niche it is, each of the videos I posted earlier can be said to represent different styles of metal with the only overlap being between Pantera and Lamb of God both able to be termed groove metal, mainly because they have audible basslines and good players laying them down.
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my attempts at cookie monster
https://soundcloud.com/paul-selkirk/my-little-shoggoth-parlour-trick
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"Slipknot is none of these, and much more of a pop/heavy rock act if only because Corey Taylor can actually sing at all. True "cookie monsters" can't."
Ok, I have to learn to live with the fact that Slipknot are then a Patridge Family with horror film masks of sorts! ;D I actually like Taylor's singing when he does it in his day job, but even more with Stone Sour.
I didn't know that the "growl" ruled out singing per se - some people change over time, the Nightwish leader/bassist used to be a severe growler intiailly and only hints at it today. To me it's sort of the other side of the spectrum to what Kind Diamond did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGC2iP5ss6E
I never got him in the 80ies, but recently took the brave step of buying Abigail and listening to it all the way through in the car too. Probably won't repeat that exercise too often though! Thinking about it - when he did not screech, he growled too, so he must have been among the first growlers together with those lovely harmony singers from Venom of course!
And I guess Lemmy was halfway there with his singing style in Motörhead (he was a lot more melodic both vocally and on the bass in Hawkwind daze). When I first saw Motörhead around 1978 or so, I did not qualify what Lemmy did as "singing" at all.
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Is 1964 too early?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=29&v=N7WqVSq_QgY
Ok, I have to learn to live with the fact that Slipknot are then a Patridge Family with horror film masks of sorts! ;D
Winky face not necessary; that's how I think of them. I like Stone Sour much better, but Slipknot is OK. I dealt with too many of their kiddy fans in my music store days and it soured me (no pun) on them a bit.
I didn't know that the "growl" ruled out singing per se
...per my personal definition, BUT I am a longtime metalhead and I've noticed lots of ideas I've had for years are surfacing in the metal "mainstream" now that the journalists and label guys are around my age now. Right now, I'm WAY into current gen black(ish/ened) metal because the bands they built on are bands I've already loved for years: Kvelertak, Behemoth, Dimmu Borgir, etc. European extreme (and not-so-extreme) metal used to be so stodgy and pretentious, and now that it's loosening up and learning to groove, it's much better. I think Entombed started that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g36fWfErL9w
To me it's sort of the other side of the spectrum to what King Diamond did.
I never got him in the 80ies, but recently took the brave step of buying Abigail and listening to it all the way through in the car too. Probably won't repeat that exercise too often though! Thinking about it - when he did not screech, he growled too, so he must have been among the first growlers together with those lovely harmony singers from Venom of course!
Mercyful Fate is more raw, and like early Metallica, the foundation from King Diamond sprang more towards hard rock sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVuaHow0X4Q
And I guess Lemmy was halfway there with his singing style in Motörhead (he was a lot more melodic both vocally and on the bass in Hawkwind daze). When I first saw Motörhead around 1978 or so, I did not qualify what Lemmy did as "singing" at all.
Venom is often characterized as a "Satanic Motörhead." I disagree. Motörhead is much better musically, but I do see why folks say that. Venom has good songs when other people cover them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2byjlWM-6Xs
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The Crusher was a salute to the wrestler.
What a golden voice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULHvxEtkoO0
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I'm going to see Dick Dale Saturday night in Denver. He's 79, has beaten cancer twice (at quite a cost) and is still touring.
Clearly, surf music is good for you!
(http://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/media/dick-dale-surf-guitar-legend-2012-billboard-650.jpg)
Interesting article from last summer about his health...I didn't know much of this about his physical condition.
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6663777/surf-guitar-legend-dick-dale-touring-illness
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European extreme (and not-so-extreme) metal used to be so stodgy and pretentious, and now that it's loosening up and learning to groove, it's much better. I think Entombed started that.
True, but think that most of those stodgy and pretentious guys were like that because they were 18. Now they are older and a bit wiser/relaxed/openminded (take your pick) and they have influenced for the second time in their life alot of new bands. Darkthrone has helped on this a lot. I really admire Fenriz, he is for Black what was Lemmy for, well, all Metal, an extremely cool guy that doesn't need to prove anything. I really enjoy his Soundcloud Radio, lots of new and interesting stuff, you should check it.