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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: weekend warrior on September 10, 2012, 11:29:03 AM
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Having a bridge delema.Thinking about the hipshot bridge over the stock three point on my 76 bird.Any thoughts on this??
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I despise the three point bridge for many technical reasons and always replace with a Hipshot Supertone where possible/practical. Do I need to itemise the ways in which the three point bridge displeases me? How long have you got?
I am now going to hide behind this giant can of worms that you opened ;)
(http://www.106rallyeforum.com/gallery/data//500/can-of-worms.jpg)
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That bad huh???? ;)
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That bad huh???? ;)
OK, you did ask:
1. The whole thing falls off if you remove all the strings.
2. I have had the threaded inserts pull out of the body on me when string tension is applied.
3. It's on stilts and it gives me the same confidence that a house on stilts would.
4. You can only adjust the height of the bridge in three places, there is no (easy) means to individually set string heights.
5. When installed (top loaded), the ball end of the string is so close to the saddles that the silk (or ratty end bit of unsilked strings) can go over the saddle, particularly on the E string. I don't claim to know what that might do to the sound, but it looks bad, and I wouldn't tolerate silks over the nut so why should I tolerate it at the bridge saddle?
That's the main points for me.
Now, I'm going to disappear back behind that can ;)
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the ball end of the string is so close to the saddles that the silk (or ratty end bit of unsilked strings) can go over the saddle, particularly on the E string.
You too huh? I get around that by burning off the silk with a Zippo.
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I despise the three point bridge for many technical reasons and always replace with a Hipshot Supertone where possible/practical. Do I need to itemise the ways in which the three point bridge displeases me? How long have you got?
I am now going to hide behind this giant can of worms that you opened ;)
(http://www.106rallyeforum.com/gallery/data//500/can-of-worms.jpg)
:mrgreen: I absolve you, son, I absolve you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCQjrW0ofRE
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3 points rule! ;)
Honestly, do what want, I'd be reluctant to mod a '76 in any permanant way tho.
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I think the Hipshot is a well designed bridge, and superior to the three point. For full disclosure, I never liked the three point and actually like the Evertilt bridge more. But if I were to come across a later Tbird that came with a 3 point, I would like it to still be there, as opposed to a Badass II, which I love on a Fender. One major nice aspect of the Hipshot is that, like the DiMarzio One, it doesn't F up your bass physically. Unlike the DiMarzio One, the Hipshot bridge isn't an inferior option to the original Gibson stuff.
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OK, you did ask:
1. The whole thing falls off if you remove all the strings.
Then don't.
Is it that hard to change strings one by one?
2. I have had the threaded inserts pull out of the body on me when string tension is applied.
All the way out? That's impossible while the pull is sideways.
3. It's on stilts and it gives me the same confidence that a house on stilts would.
A house is not a bass guitar. A house was not built to resonate freely. A bass guitar should resonate.
It's a poor comparison IMHO.
4. You can only adjust the height of the bridge in three places, there is no (easy) means to individually set string heights.
There is no need to adjust the individual string height, as the saddles are each their own height, placed in a curve that matches the fretboard.
If you can't get a proper action set up yourself by using the three bolts don't touch them and let a luthier do it.
5. When installed (top loaded), the ball end of the string is so close to the saddles that the silk (or ratty end bit of unsilked strings) can go over the saddle, particularly on the E string. I don't claim to know what that might do to the sound, but it looks bad, and I wouldn't tolerate silks over the nut so why should I tolerate it at the bridge saddle?
Then don't use strings with silks if that bothers you so much
That's the main points for me.
Now, I'm going to disappear back behind that can ;)
Now let's eat those worms.
:mrgreen:
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I'm with Neephied here. The Supertone gives you everything a modern bridge should (and so should the Truetone). Also the E-String bridge saddles on both three points on my pair of TBs was unpleasantly sharp/pointy. Just keep the original bridge so you can revert to original pending any future resale.
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I may shock some, as much as I despise the three point I like the Supertone even less. Sure it's functional but it is FUGLY, just doesn't look right. These day I am more inclined to break out the files and shim brass to "adjust" a three point.
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3 Points are Sexy looking. ;)
I could *maybe* see a Hipshot on a newer 'Bird, but graceful, it's not.
I've only ever had trouble with one - It was an Allparts knockoff that I replaced with a Gibson. Very easy to maintain and get low action.
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5. When installed (top loaded), the ball end of the string is so close to the saddles that the silk (or ratty end bit of unsilked strings) can go over the saddle, particularly on the E string. I don't claim to know what that might do to the sound, but it looks bad, and I wouldn't tolerate silks over the nut so why should I tolerate it at the bridge saddle?
Then don't use strings with silks if that bothers you so much
On my only bass with a 3 point is a '77 TBird. The action could not be set low enough with the 3 point, even smack on the body. Filing saddles reduces the angle to the string anchor point and degrades tone. To cap it off the E string will not intonate and string wrap lays on the saddle with or without silk. Gibson put the bridge in the wrong place. Big surprise
I agree with Scott, the Hipshot is an ugly thing. NeverTilt solved all 3 point problems and is rock solid. No mods to the bass and less obtrusive than a Stuportone.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/NEVERTILT/P1060159.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/NEVERTILT/P1060172.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/NEVERTILT/P1060171.jpg)
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Look what you went and done, Neep...!
No problem with the string through on my RD... hmm... at least it was the last time the beast was strung... :o
All worms found on my patch (not eaten by the blackbirds and robins) are carefully relocated to my veggie recycling plant... (aka the compost bins)
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i have a supertone 3 point replacement on my eb4l.it slightly improved the tone and the sting balance improved slightly but mostly it stopped me worrying about the bridge.i agree that they are butt ugly.i like your nevertilt carlo,the look reminds me of the bridge on the thunderbird studio.i had an idea ages ago about getting a 3 point made in stainless steel or something to see it the tone improved any but i decided it was too much hassle.getting the saddles made could have been worth it though.in a parallell universe gibson is doing this research right now...
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Now let's eat those worms.
:mrgreen:
Om nom nom nom ;)
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Some Chrome 3 Point porn ;D Mmmmmmm........Wormy ;D
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/bridge1.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/bridge3.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/bridge4.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/1299181148.jpg)
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are the supertone bridges lower profile than a stock three point? That is to say, Can you get the action stupid low with the hipshot as compared to a three point?
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The action is set pretty low on mine, but there is room to lower it even more. It looks like I have the ability to let the strings rest on the frets if I wanted to go that low.
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Man I love the green and purple birds! Those could be dangerous for me, though. They look like hard candies, and the last thing I need is to be eating paint chips ;)
As for the 3-point- it is an oddball design, but I've grown used to setting up and using them, and they don't bug me at all. In some cases, I've had to rearrange the saddles in order to get the string radius at the bridge to better match that of the fingerboard (solves the case where the E&G are tool low, and the A&D are up in the nose bleed section).
The times when I've had all strings off (oiling boards, dressing/leveling/polishing frets, etc) I just use a strip of masking tape to keep the saddles from falling out, if I have to flip the bass over or move it. Having a string break at a gig might be an issue, but in the 25-or-so years I've been playing, that's probably happened twice.
Should you have to go thru all these antics setup a bass? no. YMMV... but these tricks have worked for me, and once its done I never really have to mess with the bridge again.