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Title: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Highlander on March 10, 2009, 04:06:59 PM: In the late seventies a friend was selling his SG Special, a Hiwatt and a Marshall cab, and I picked them up as a job lot, paid for over a few months, making my Gibson tally 2, which remains the same to date...

Anyway, during 1979 his partner (nicknamed "Mouse") randomly asked to look at one of my picks, which were logo'd Gibson type, and then asked if she could keep it... I didn't argue or question her reasons for wanting it (far too dangerous...) but about a month or so later this arrived in my hands as a gift from them both...

(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/Gibsonpick.jpg)

It's not a perfect copy but is the same size as a standard pick, slightly thicker than a heavy, and made out of solid silver... I used to wear it pretty much all the time but when the chain broke some years back it transfered to a gold chain with a cross my wife gave me - after a series of accidents with broken chains and after nearly losing both I presently don't wear them at all, but I think of it as quite an unusual trinket... never seen one like it... I think she used to think of me as the big, little brother she never had, so liked to spoil me from time-to-time...

Anyone else got anything Gibson orientated but out of the ordinary out there...?
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Post by: Dave W on March 10, 2009, 05:44:43 PM: Nothing at all Gibson.

I do have one leftover guitar string from a Gretsch set I bought in 1961.
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Post by: Highlander on March 10, 2009, 05:48:24 PM: Care to trade...? which one...? I have some really nasty old Mark King's on my Jack you can have, soon as I get a new set of regulars...
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Post by: Chris P. on March 10, 2009, 11:37:56 PM: :)

I believe that plectrum was mounted to a piece of paper with some wire and it was like a game to get it loose without tearing the paper.

I love my cleaning cloth which I keep with my Ricky 4005. It has a pic of a 330 on it.
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Post by: uwe on March 11, 2009, 04:44:21 AM: I have a Gibson stool, a Gibson clock (that wouldn't work!), a blow-up Gibson guitar, a couple of Gibson coins and a Gibson mirror. Now if the guitar was a doll we could put the X into exotic trinket ...
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Post by: Basvarken on March 11, 2009, 04:49:11 AM: You mean an R instead of X?
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Post by: Dave W on March 11, 2009, 06:45:57 AM: When you say Gibson stool, I hope you mean the seating device. ;)
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Post by: godofthunder on March 11, 2009, 06:59:05 AM: I thought he was talking about the 20/20
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Post by: gearHed289 on March 11, 2009, 07:46:45 AM: Quote from: godofthunder on March 11, 2009, 06:59:05 AM
I thought he was talking about the 20/20

;D ;D ;D
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 11, 2009, 08:26:43 AM: I have some girlie undies they did a few years back...............

They came in two colors, worn cherry and faded brown ;)
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Post by: uwe on March 11, 2009, 08:44:17 AM: :mrgreen: ;D :mrgreen: ;D :mrgreen: ;D
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Post by: Barklessdog on March 11, 2009, 09:30:11 AM: Quote from: TBird1958 on March 11, 2009, 08:26:43 AM
I have some girlie undies they did a few years back...............

They came in two colors, worn cherry and faded brown ;)

What no ketchup & mustard or clown bursts?
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Post by: OldManC on March 11, 2009, 09:31:52 AM: I have one of the neon bar lights someone was hawking on eBay a few years ago.
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Post by: uwe on March 11, 2009, 09:47:06 AM: Plus that adult nature pup IIRC ...
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Post by: Chris P. on March 11, 2009, 10:03:42 AM: Uwe, please mind you language if you are talking about the Fraulein. I don't care what you say if I'm not around, but as long as I'm here; Hush!
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Post by: uwe on March 11, 2009, 10:26:55 AM: As usal, lieber Chris, you're too excited to know front from back: Ze Fräulein may sport daring attire at times (but with those legs who are we to complain?), but has not confronted us with pictures of her private parts mirrored in a - needless to say: chrome - pup. Ze culprit is out there and will sure enough 'fess up soon. No doubt, he'll say it happened while he was sleeping.

It's another argument for the advantages of black hardware btw!

Uwe
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 11, 2009, 10:29:34 AM: Awwww........he's defending my worn cherry ;D
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Post by: uwe on March 11, 2009, 10:32:06 AM: I will definitely not ask whether the worn cherry stain is located front or more to the back!
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 11, 2009, 10:34:20 AM: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

:mrgreen: ;D :mrgreen:
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Post by: bassvirtuoso on March 11, 2009, 10:43:05 AM: Am I not allowed to drink any liquids while reading the Gibson forum?
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 11, 2009, 11:06:28 AM: Probably best if you do one, then the other...........it'll keep the keyboard and screen cleaner ;)
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Post by: uwe on March 11, 2009, 11:15:22 AM: We've finally reached the nadir of good taste here. It was bound to happen.
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Post by: eb2 on March 11, 2009, 11:15:37 AM: I still have the pup, bridge, tuners and one knob from a 50s EB(1) and half a 58 EB2 headstock, and several black pup covers. I figure one of these days I might buy a 50s project. Or make another Explorer bass. I also have a Cinemax Les Paul day-glo blue bowling shirt that I won. It was a contest to win a LP custom from the early 80s. I didn't win it, but I got the shirt. There are lots of old guitar trinkets and do-hickeys that I have kept. All my vintage basses got stolen, but I kept the parts and paper stuff. That is life.

I sold off my old drum stuff on ebay, and that was a rewarding experience. I never played the drums.
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Post by: OldManC on March 11, 2009, 11:22:00 AM: Quote from: Chris P on March 11, 2009, 10:03:42 AM
Uwe, please mind you language if you are talking about the Fraulein. I don't care what you say if I'm not around, but as long as I'm here; Hush!

I think Uwe's talking about my schlange pup.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/gcarlston/parts/Schlange_pup.jpg)

:mrgreen:
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Post by: exiledarchangel on March 11, 2009, 11:22:28 AM: I've got some heart-shaped medium Gibson picks, I never use 'em because I like my picks hard.
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Post by: uwe on March 11, 2009, 11:26:08 AM: Hard (or not) being the choice word here!

Thank you George for sharing this with us (again). Good thing circumcision isn't as prevalent with you poor butchered guys as I feared.
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Post by: Chris P. on March 11, 2009, 11:27:14 AM: :mrgreen:

Sometimes someone actually start to talk about Gibson basses here and everytime I think: 'What's he talking about!?!' before realising it's a bass forum.
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Post by: exiledarchangel on March 11, 2009, 11:30:11 AM: It's not just a bass forum, it's a Gibson bass forum, that's why. This dirty talkin can't exist in a plain lame boring f****r forum.
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: OldManC on March 11, 2009, 11:32:11 AM: Quote from: uwe on March 11, 2009, 11:26:08 AM
Good thing circumcision isn't as prevalent with you poor butchered guys as I feared.

Hey man, I need all the help I can get!
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Post by: Chris P. on March 11, 2009, 11:33:06 AM: :mrgreen:
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 11, 2009, 11:36:25 AM: George :o

I'm not getting any work done today............
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Post by: Barklessdog on March 11, 2009, 12:26:58 PM: Now you need some cherry or brown stain on him.
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Post by: Dave W on March 11, 2009, 01:02:10 PM: I make one stool joke, go away for a few hours and come back to this. :o ;D
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Post by: Barklessdog on March 11, 2009, 01:04:27 PM: Is this a "members only club" ?
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Post by: Highlander on March 11, 2009, 03:56:54 PM: I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid...

What have I started...?
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Post by: Dave W on March 11, 2009, 04:07:19 PM: Ken, you never know what a simple question might lead to. And this time it was all because of Uwe's stool.
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Post by: bassvirtuoso on March 11, 2009, 04:27:36 PM: I'm afraid I can't let you do that (again) Dave.
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Post by: Highlander on March 11, 2009, 05:23:59 PM: I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you... I'm feeling much better now, Dave...

I think '68 was the year it all started for me...

Mark...! just had an idea for you... how about covering Foghat's "Cherry... waald waald Cherry"...

... And George, I think I'll stick to my black pups... ;D
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 11, 2009, 05:48:42 PM: Ken,

I know the song, but I'm a little too :gay: to play Foghat.......... ;)
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Post by: Highlander on March 11, 2009, 06:01:20 PM: Just a thought, my dear... ;)

... and on that thought, gotta go as I promised my wife I'd curfew myself (still on the main Dell at 3AM uk time on Mon/Tue and pushing my luck...)

ps finally seeing real light at the end of the tunnel and tried to listen to some of your stuff (as I said I would... just fin'd an SP3 upgrade for my XP-pro re-load and sorted out the home network so I don't hog the net) and I'd forgotten to load anything to play them with...

Oh, and yes Mark, as we're both fans of Mr D, get those Gibson panties framed round an old copy of Schools Out... :mrgreen:
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Post by: OldManC on March 11, 2009, 08:14:24 PM: Quote from: Ken S on March 11, 2009, 06:01:20 PM
Oh, and yes Mark, as we're both fans of Mr D, get those Gibson panties framed round an old copy of Schools Out... :mrgreen:

I have a pair of those! Though I must stress that I never tried them on...
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 11, 2009, 08:34:13 PM: I HAD some of those panties.................. I don't remember where they went :-[
But little things like that made me the happy girl I am today ;)
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Post by: uwe on March 12, 2009, 04:53:26 AM: Quote from: OldManC on March 11, 2009, 08:14:24 PM
I have a pair of those! Though I must stress that I never tried them on...

While awake that is.
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Post by: Dave W on March 12, 2009, 08:10:23 AM: Quote from: uwe on March 12, 2009, 04:53:26 AM
While awake that is.

I don't remember George's explanation going quite that far.
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Post by: Highlander on March 12, 2009, 05:23:04 PM: I finally got around to trawling through the "Nasty..." site and some links... :o

I guess I lead a fairly sheltered life over here... ;)

Enjoyed the Music, Mark... anything downloadable...?

John Galt...? Who's he...?

My goodness, isn't "she" tall...!
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 12, 2009, 06:22:56 PM: I know...........I make Dame Edna look like a dude ;)

Glad you liked the music Ken, when we make some more demo's I'll send ya something.
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Post by: Highlander on March 12, 2009, 06:35:02 PM: I'll look forward to that... What's the rig your using in the vids... nice sound, even if "tinny " (by your own sites comment)... the T'bird cuts thru well enough...

We're out of sync again and it's Friday here, 7 hours ahead of you...

Gonna have to do some trawling through some of the other guys sites for sounds before I get a rep for hitting on you... ;D
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 12, 2009, 07:03:30 PM: Ken,

I use a GK1001RBII and 2, 4x10SBX cabinets...........The sound on those particular vids was recorded just from the camera mics so it's not really a good indicator of my live sound, plus Youtube sound is pretty crappy anyway.......But I do like a certain amount of clanky goodness too ;)
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Post by: Highlander on March 15, 2009, 02:12:14 PM: Never tried GK, only knowingly seen Rush using GK gear (Lifeson...?)
700 Watts...! makes my Hiwatt pale into insignificance...
never used ten's either but I do remember trialing an Ampeg 8x10 back in '82 and it just did not suit the Hiwatt so stayed with my 4x12 Marshall...
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 16, 2009, 10:29:02 AM: Ken,
I think Alex Lifeson is using Hughes and Kettner amps.
The GK travels really well in a along with a line Voltage regulator - in a rack, it has so much headroom, I've never even had it up to half volume!
10's are tight and I really like them live when we are using just my rig with out any FOH PA support.
That said I'm considering getting a new Marshall rig next year :)
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Post by: GonzoBass on March 16, 2009, 02:30:08 PM: Yes, the GK 1001RBII Rocks!
;)

(http://www.gonzobass.com/009.jpeg)
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Post by: godofthunder on March 17, 2009, 02:33:18 PM: Quote from: Ken S on March 15, 2009, 02:12:14 PM
Never tried GK, only knowingly seen Rush using GK gear (Lifeson...?)
700 Watts...! makes my Hiwatt pale into insignificance...
never used ten's either but I do remember trialing an Ampeg 8x10 back in '82 and it just did not suit the Hiwatt so stayed with my 4x12 Marshall...
Ken is your Hiwatt a a 100 or 200 ? Did I tell you I just got a Hiwatt DR 201 From Slade's back line ? I must have I've told everyone who will listen and over here that's not many. :bored:
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 17, 2009, 02:50:47 PM: Me Lovey SLADE!
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Post by: Chris P. on March 17, 2009, 03:07:50 PM: Ken has a 100. I met him at the Plexipalace Hiwatt board were you posted your 201 too, so I guess he knows!:)
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Post by: Highlander on March 17, 2009, 04:06:52 PM: Re your GK's and Lifeson, Mark, he used them in the 80's - seen almost every tour since '77 and seen him use Marshall and Hiwatt's too, but Lee's "Henhous" gear takes the chicken by the throat - nearly as cool as his "MAYTAG's"... ;D below are the links to my '68 Marshall 50w Smallbox (please wear your shades and don,t blame me...) and my Hiwatt hybrid amp...

http://www.vintageamps.com/plexiboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=82268 (http://www.vintageamps.com/plexiboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=82268)

http://www.vintageamps.com/plexiboard/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81510 (http://www.vintageamps.com/plexiboard/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81510)

Aloha Gonzo - if the hat fits... what do they feed you on over in the Pacific...? I hope they let you off the leash occasionally....!

Scott... you replied on one of my posts over on the above, and I mentioned that I had seen Slade, as far back as '73... my first 45's were "Get down and get with it" ('71 ish), "Coz I luv you" and so on and continued buying them until I discovered Lynyrd Skynyrd (Oh I'm so glad I got to see them) and then spun onto the Allman Brothers (who was this Duane Allman guy, and his friend Berry...?) and links led me to Mountain and the Doobies and all things USofA - you never know what's in your own back yard... last saw Slade in the 80's rebirth, several times...

Mark again - as above re Slade...

Chris - "21 today, 21 today, who's got the keys to the door, never bin 21 before..."
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Post by: steveonbass on March 18, 2009, 06:25:51 PM: I have a couple of these:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/prismacolor2/IMG_0561.jpg)
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Post by: Highlander on March 19, 2009, 05:08:43 PM: cute... A gibson on the tree...! ;D
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Post by: godofthunder on March 22, 2009, 08:14:12 AM: Ken, I am sooooooooooooooooooooooo jealous that you saw Slade live. I only saw Slade on US TV a few times growing up, short clips on black and white TV. One they were on a long narrow stage and you could see the grill cloth on the speaker cabs blowing back and forth ! The other they lip synced Do We Still Do It, Dave had his chicken outfit on :o It hasn't been till recently that my online UK friends have sent me vhs tapes and donloads that I got to see how truly great they were live. Liverpool in '83 is amazing. Of course now if you look Slade up on youtube there is all you want. :)
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Post by: godofthunder on March 22, 2009, 08:19:25 AM: Ken, Did I show you my Jim Lea bass ? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/100_2046.jpg)
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 22, 2009, 08:33:59 AM: Makes Homer Simpson drool sound.............................. :P
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Post by: bassvirtuoso on March 22, 2009, 08:36:20 AM: Humina, Humina, Humina
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Post by: Dave W on March 22, 2009, 11:17:08 AM: Quote from: bassvirtuoso on March 22, 2009, 08:36:20 AM
Humina, Humina, Humina

Channeling Jackie Gleason, are we?
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Post by: bassvirtuoso on March 22, 2009, 11:32:31 AM: Har har, hardee har har!
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Post by: Dave W on March 22, 2009, 11:39:52 AM: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/davepix/humor/Alice.jpg)
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Post by: bassvirtuoso on March 22, 2009, 11:42:32 AM: Bang, zoom, that's a great cartoon!
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Post by: n!k on March 22, 2009, 01:06:40 PM: http://cgi.ebay.com/GIBSON-BABY-BIB-guitar-bass-rare-rock-punk-SALE-8-99_W0QQitemZ230332528220QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item230332528220&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A2|294%3A50

(http://i1.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/38/6d/f3bf_1.JPG)
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Post by: Highlander on March 22, 2009, 01:46:26 PM: Nik - cute or what...! if you're gonna start em, start em young...!

BV - what is your name...? Dave has found a very obscure link to this post as Alice's maiden name before marrying Ralph was "GIBSON"...! never heard of the programme before, though... ;)

Scott, my BUTCHER BROTHER, but what of the USofA bands you saw when you were a kid that I wished I had seen - ever seen GFR...? Doobies...? Allmans with Duane and/or Berry...? Black Oak...? Mountain with Felix...? - post a list of some seventies bands you saw and see how many times I flinch - as I noted elsewhere, you seldom notice what's in your own backyard when you're lookin' over the fence... ;D
When I first saw Slade in '73 I was 14 and they were at there peak, playing an NME "Best Band/Live Act" show at Wembley Arena (10,000 seater), pre "Merry Xmas" (which is played to death every winter) and they played all the hits... the support was a band I took no notice of (Home - "best new act") but featured Laurie Wisefield, who went onto Wishbone Ash (another band I saw quite often), and Cliff Williams, who went on to AC/DC, but they got polite reception - the place erupted when Slade hit the stage, but I could not tell you with any certainty what they played, but I've still got my prog... I remember when they made a comeback seeing them several times, most notably at Donnington (supporting Whitesnake?) and a Xmas show (Noddy came on as Santa), but during the summer gig he managed to get 40,000 people singing Merry X in the pouring rain... 8)
Your bass is really something else, I think I came across it in another post... Is it a Gibson, a Birch or a one you made yourself...? looks a beaut... 8) 8) 8)
One minor point, can't find it again but did I see a guilty secret hiding at the edge of the pic of the B'bird...? a Fury...? I have a similar problem re kits... Sabre Jets are one of my weaknesses, but I finally got to see the "THUNDERBIRDS" do a full display, for real 2 summers back... If I was seeing things, put it done to my strange behaviour... :mrgreen:
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Post by: bassvirtuoso on March 22, 2009, 02:02:00 PM: Quote from: Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic...! on March 22, 2009, 01:46:26 PM

BV - what is your name...? Dave has found a very obscure link to this post as Alice's maiden name before marrying Ralph was "GIBSON"...! never heard of the programme brfore, though... ;)

Ken, or whatever your name is now, my name was something ripped off of a magazine advertisement for Billy Sheehan. Then I took the virtuoso thing to a different level and went with the 2001 avatar of Dave Bowman since my name is Dave.
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Post by: Chris P. on March 22, 2009, 02:22:00 PM: Ken's real name's R2D2.
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Post by: Dave W on March 22, 2009, 02:45:29 PM: We also have Dave (PWV) and Dave (Essential Tension). Maybe more.

I would write a poem called Too Many Daves but Dr. Seuss beat me to it.
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Post by: Highlander on March 22, 2009, 03:37:22 PM: "My thread is going, I can feel it..."

Dave-BV... pleasure to be an acquaintance... the name is still Ken, or Mainiac, or the birdman of Osterley, or Captain Pugwash, or R2D2, or Moses (parting of the [hair] waves), or Doc (Murdoch, as in Howling Mad), or perhaps best not to go on...
The more nicknames a Gemini has, the less you should trust them... oops...

The (temp) name is a Scottish expression, loosely translates as great health for when I see you and when I don't - the most common one is Slainte Mhath (slaaansh vaaa) meaning good health but commonly interpreted as "cheers"... ;) - runs nicely with Scurrius and St Patricks, even if he was Irish... I'm toying with settling on T' BaRD '59 - T' (the) Bard (a family tradition), RD (my abused Gibson) and my vintage, also a play on someone-elses Bi-line... :mrgreen:

You have what I consider to be one of the coolest avatar/bylines I've seen, but then I'm a big fan of the film... :popcorn:
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Post by: bassvirtuoso on March 22, 2009, 04:01:44 PM: Wow Ken, the more I agree with you, the more I need start having my own head checked. Gemini here as well, guess we're all a bit dual in our nature. H.M. Murdock is actually one of my favorite characters, and now that I get to thinking harder, I may be just as crazy as you, I just hold it in better. ;D

Glad you like the avatar/byline, it's what I imagine Uwe saying when he sees any of Mark's 'Birds.
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Post by: godofthunder on March 22, 2009, 04:18:43 PM: Quote from: Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic...! on March 22, 2009, 01:46:26 PM
Nik - cute or what...! if you're gonna start em, start em young...!

BV - what is your name...? Dave has found a very obscure link to this post as Alice's maiden name before marrying Ralph was "GIBSON"...! never heard of the programme brfore, though... ;)

Scott, my BUTCHER BROTHER, but what of the USofA bands you saw when you were a kid that I wished I had seen - ever seen GFR...? Doobies...? Allmans with Duane and/or Berry...? Black Oak...? Mountain with Felix...? - post a list of some seventies bands you saw and see how many times I flinch - as I noted elsewhere, you seldom notice what's in your own backyard when you're lookin' over the fence... ;D
When I first saw Slade in '73 I was 14 and they were at there peak, playing an NME "Best Band/Live Act" show at Wembley Arena (10,000 seater), pre "Merry Xmas" (which is played to death every winter) and they played all the hits... the support was a band I took no notice of (Home - "best new act") but featured Laurie Wisefield, who went onto Wishbone Ash (another band I saw quite often), and Cliff Williams, who went on to AC/DC, but they got polite reception - the place erupted when Slade hit the stage, but I could not tell you with any certainty what they played, but I've still got my prog... I remember when they made a comeback seeing them several times, most notably at Donnington (supporting Whitesnake?) and a Xmas show (Noddy came on as Santa), but during the summer gig he managed to get 40,000 people singing Merry X in the pouring rain... 8)
Your bass is really something else, I think I came across it in another post... Is it a Gibson, a Birch or a one you made yourself...? looks a beaut... 8) 8) 8)
One minor point, can't find it again but did I see a guilty secret hiding at the edge of the pic of the B'bird...? a Fury...? I have a similar problem re kits... Sabre Jets are one of my weaknesses, but I finally got to see the "THUNDERBIRDS" do a full display, for real 2 summers back... If I was seeing things, put it done to my strange behaviour... :mrgreen:
The Bass is built by John Diggens of Jaydee guitars. John worked at Birch in the 70's and built Jimmy's bass. Jim put up his Birch bass as a pattern for mine and Jim even signed it. Also John Diggens took the distortion volume control from Jim's bass and installed it on mine. Here is a pic of Jimmy in the shop with mine and his (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/000_0065.jpg) 70's band I'll have to think on that but I did see Wishbone Ash in '72 !
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Post by: godofthunder on March 22, 2009, 04:23:32 PM: ''One minor point, can't find it again but did I see a guilty secret hiding at the edge of the pic of the B'bird...? a Fury...? I have a similar problem re kits..'' LOL Yeah Ken I still build model planes, Aviation history is second only to basses as far as interests go.
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Post by: Highlander on March 22, 2009, 04:30:28 PM: Oh My Gawd... maybe closer to butcher twins than brothers... 8)

That bass is going SUB ZERO with icicles on...

I wonder if his original EB3 ever re-surfaced...?

Like playing, only got back to kit building about a year back - last finished were a minature Orion (2001) about an inch in length, a TSR2 (1/72 - recently got the 1/48 - this was, sort of, Concordes sister - the british govt (rumour has it) took a massive back-hander to buy the F1/11 and took the extreme action of shooting the only flying example to very small pieces on a gunnery range - no joke - 2 still exist, in museums, and the RAF still smart about this to this day - probably the last truly British military aircraft, and a beauty to boot...), a minature Valkyre, a minature TU144... a 1/48 Typhoon (Eurofighter - beautiful to see in flight) is in hand, and a BEA Viscount (first thing I flew on in the early 60's) - future plans are an internally lit NCC1701D (custom), the BIG Revell Saturn V and a Catalina (a personal favourite - a flying example is based near London and makes regular show appearances - looking out for a good Sabre Jet to make up in RAF colours... oops, did I go off thread... :mrgreen:

forgot a 1/72 Concorde..... NO, GET AWAY FROM ME WITH THAT WHITE JACKET... I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT LITTLE WHITE ROOM...
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Post by: Dave W on March 22, 2009, 11:10:41 PM: Quote from: Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic...! on March 22, 2009, 03:37:22 PM

The (temp) name is a Scottish expression, loosely translates as great health for when I see you and when I don't - the most common one is Slainte Mhath (slaaansh vaaa) meaning good health but commonly interpreted as "cheers"... ;)

Maybe that's what you claim it means, but I put it into a translator and it came out as "Angus how are y'going to get 48,000,000 kilts into the van?"
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Post by: godofthunder on March 23, 2009, 01:10:47 PM: Quote from: Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic...! on March 22, 2009, 04:30:28 PM
Oh My Gawd... maybe closer to butcher twins than brothers... 8)

That bass is going SUB ZERO with icicles on...

I wonder if his original EB3 ever re-surfaced...?

Like playing, only got back to kit building about a year back - last finished were a minature Orion (2001) about an inch in length, a TSR2 (1/72 - recently got the 1/48 - this was, sort of, Concordes sister - the british govt (rumour has it) took a massive back-hander to buy the F1/11 and took the extreme action of shooting the only flying example to very small pieces on a gunnery range - no joke - 2 still exist, in museums, and the RAF still smart about this to this day - probably the last truly British military aircraft, and a beauty to boot...), a minature Valkyre, a minature TU144... a 1/48 Typhoon (Eurofighter - beautiful to see in flight) is in hand, and a BEA Viscount (first thing I flew on in the early 60's) - future plans are an internally lit NCC1701D (custom), the BIG Revell Saturn V and a Catalina (a personal favourite - a flying example is based near London and makes regular show appearances - looking out for a good Sabre Jet to make up in RAF colours... oops, did I go off thread... :mrgreen:

forgot a 1/72 Concorde..... NO, GET AWAY FROM ME WITH THAT WHITE JACKET... I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT LITTLE WHITE ROOM...
Mixing aviation and basses has along history here so I don't believe we are off topic yet. Jimmy's original much modded white EB3 has gone missing without a trace, It was stolen from John Birch's shop ( I have my own theory on this Maybe Birch disposed of Jimmy's EB3 so Jim would be forced to play a JB replacement ?) my friends in the UK tell me it has never surfaced, and believe me they have been looking for it.
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Post by: godofthunder on March 23, 2009, 02:04:47 PM: Ken we may be closer than you think ! I am also Scottish. My mothers maiden name is Scott, My fathers Dasson (derived from Dawson the name was changed as Dawsons moved across the continent) So welcome my butcher twin !
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Post by: Highlander on March 23, 2009, 03:54:26 PM: Damn, Dave, ya got me bang to rights...

Bro' Scott, as long as Mark never catches any of us in "Highland Dress" we should be safe... :mrgreen:

(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/08/09/knBON_narrowweb__300x312,0.jpg)
another Bon(ny) Scott...

I have records of my grandfather shipping into NY pre and post WW1, mind you, a major portion of the USofA have Celtic ancestry...

Scott - any specific aviation history or interest...?

(Uwe - F104-"G for Germany, ya...?" remember that gem...?)
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Post by: godofthunder on March 23, 2009, 04:55:15 PM: Quote from: Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic...! on March 23, 2009, 03:54:26 PM
Damn, Dave, ya got me bang to rights...

Bro' Scott, as long as Mark never catches any of us in "Highland Dress" we should be safe... :mrgreen:

(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/08/09/knBON_narrowweb__300x312,0.jpg)
another Bon(ny) Scott...

I have records of my grandfather shipping into NY pre and post WW1, mind you, a major portion of the USofA have Celtic ancestry...

Scott - any specific aviation history or interest...?

(Uwe - F104-"G for Germany, ya...?" remember that gem...?)
My Mothers grands emigrated in the late 1800's I think. Well planes are like bases to me never saw one I didn't like. WWI is a big interest, as is WWII; the Luftwaffe, RAF and USA aircraft all fascinate me. One from each ? The Me262, FW 190, Hawker Typhoon(love the Hurrie though) and for the USA the F4U Corsair and P47 Thunderbolt. Another area I like is the Thopmson Trophy races post WWII dominated by Cook Cleleand and his F2G Super Corsairs
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Post by: Chris P. on March 23, 2009, 11:07:12 PM: Holland used F104s too, but no special version I guess. The F104s only had one weekness and that was they all crashed. I believe we gave the ones which didn't fell out of the sky to Turkey.

After that we had the F16s, but also the little Northrop F5. And of that plane we had a special Dutch versio, the NF5, in which N stands for Netherlands.
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Post by: uwe on March 24, 2009, 06:04:35 AM: It was a plane built to impress at airshows in the sunny skies of California where it showed great handling (very often leading pilots to do things they should not). It had no business flying in foggy soggy Northern Europe. Those pilots who didn't die in it remember it fondly - "motorcycle of the skies".
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Post by: Highlander on March 24, 2009, 05:39:37 PM: "Anybody vant to buy a Shtar-fighter...!.?.! ... then buy an acre of gvround, und vait...!" (RIP Bob Calvert)

... and what a sound they made, too, and a MONSTER of an afterburner - probably never been a more "ROCK'N'ROLL" aircraft...

"Doug" -there is an astonishing F16 demonstration pilot flying for the Dutch AF too, unless I am mistaken...

Scott, gonna try and dig out some relevant shots, though no ME262's, that's a cert...
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Post by: Chris P. on March 24, 2009, 11:35:13 PM: Hmm.. I don't know any famous Dutch F16 fighters, but I'm not an expert.
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Post by: Highlander on March 25, 2009, 05:12:31 PM: "Piranha" - There was definitely a DAF F16 displaying at the RIAT show in 2007... great display - I may be wrong, but if I remember correctly the DVD of the show (yes, it's that :sad: round here) has footage of most of his display from within the cockpit...

Scott...

(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/random%20stuff/20060903144.jpg)
Not a great shot but this IS a Thunderbolt and a Corsair flying together at a show at Duxford in 2006 - both based there (in Suffolk, UK) - one of the biggest aircraft museums in the UK...

Scott and Mark - If I'm right, had we been in the same small town, we would have all been in the same class in the same year at school... well how about that...
Would have been the class of ...'75-'76? don't know how that all works... I hit sixteen during the summer of '75, and I presume Scott too, and Mark just before Xmas '74...?
Anyone else of that vintage in here...?
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Post by: Chris P. on March 25, 2009, 11:45:11 PM: I was born in '76, so no;)

DAF F16? As in the car/truck brand DAF? Of course some Dutch companies made parts for the F16 as part of the deal. We buy expensive planes and the US orders Dutch stuff.
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 26, 2009, 07:35:08 AM: Ken,

That's a Corsair and an F6F Hellcat.................

Back to school for you!
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Post by: uwe on March 26, 2009, 11:14:41 AM: Thanks for spanking the limey right, Ms Rommel! Navy and Marine Corps TBolts were kind of rare ... Which tells you one thing: All Brits are either gay (like Montgomery), bad generals with catastrophic military decisions (like Montgomery), have no friends (like Montgomery), are disliked by Americans (like Montgomery) or can't even tell a Hellcat from a Thunderbolt (like Ken!). Which is just as well for people who thought the Defiant (= target practice for the Luftwaffe) was a good idea!

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: (insert naz(t)i laugh here)
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Post by: Chris P. on March 26, 2009, 11:42:00 AM: ;D
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 26, 2009, 12:00:31 PM: Glad I wasn't drinking anything!

Whoa...................

I see smoke on the horizon, lets go find the crash site and put out the fire............ ;)

P.S. you'd better hope Scott Godofthunder59 doesn't see this, you've slandered his fave plane!
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Post by: uwe on March 26, 2009, 12:21:45 PM: The Defiant? Don't make me laugh. A light tank turret with wings.
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Post by: Chris P. on March 26, 2009, 12:27:35 PM: Defiant. Isn't that a 60s Vox solid state or hybrid amp?
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Post by: godofthunder on March 26, 2009, 02:44:13 PM: Quote from: T' BaRD '59 on March 25, 2009, 05:12:31 PM
"Piranha" - There was definitely a DAF F16 displaying at the RIAT show in 2007... great display - I may be wrong, but if I remember correctly the DVD of the show (yes, it's that :sad: round here) has footage of most of his display from within the cockpit...

Scott...

(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/random%20stuff/20060903144.jpg)
Not a great shot but this IS a Thunderbolt and a Corsair flying together at a show at Duxford in 2006 - both based there (in Suffolk, UK) - one of the biggest aircraft museums in the UK...

Scott and Mark - If I'm right, had we been in the same small town, we would have all been in the same class in the same year at school... well how about that...
Would have been the class of ...'75-'76? don't know how that all works... I hit sixteen during the summer of '75, and I presume Scott too, and Mark just before Xmas '74...?
Anyone else of that vintage in here...?
Oh I saw it :rolleyes: like saying a Spit and a Hurrie look alike
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Post by: Highlander on March 27, 2009, 07:30:42 PM: Here I sit, shame faced, when even a girl can tell the difference... :sad:

Why doe's the arguably prettier Spitfire get all the credit for the "BOB" when there were more Hurricanes involved, anyway...

I'd better do my research a bit more thoroughly, in future...
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Post by: godofthunder on March 28, 2009, 06:24:04 AM: Well most likely because it was prettier ;D. The Spitfire was faster with higher performance than the Hurricane, plus it represented a whole new generation of fighter plane. The Hurricane being the RAF's first monoplane fighter was a transitional aircraft from the days of the fabric covered biplane. While the Spit had a stressed aluminum covering the Hurricanes aft fusalage was still covered in doped fabric. Still a fine aircraft, one of my biggest thrills was in the early 90's a Hurricane from the Canadian Heritage Warplane society made a appearance at the Geneseo Air show in Upstate NY. To see one of these flying was breathtaking, just beautiful.
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 28, 2009, 08:23:02 AM: "Here I sit, shame faced
, when even a girl can tell the difference..."

Just remember I'm not like all the "other" girls you've met Ken (I'm guessing you lead a somewhat sheltered life!) when I was young my neighbours and I were all very avid wargamers, playing Avalon Hill's many great games. We even adapted their rules to conduct our own outdoor wargames using 1/1500th ships or 1/72nd aircraft..........
Look at the bright side tho..............you got one out of two right ;)
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Post by: uwe on March 28, 2009, 08:59:22 AM: A Hurricane could take down a Heinkel 111, Dornier 17 and even a Me 110. If no Me 109 in the hands of an equally skilled pilot was around and had a tank full of gas. Luftwaffe pilots didn't fear the Hurricane, once they that all it could do was outturn an Me 109, they adapted their tactics.The Spitfire, otoh, was widely respected among Luftwaffe pilots and other than the Mustang they did not care much for Allied fighter planes. That said, the Hurricane had some advantages over the early Spitfire - it could take more of a beating and aces lice Douglas Bader preferred its more closely aligned eight Brownings for their more concentrated firepower. Luftwaffe pilots were also hopeless in North Africa in telling the Hurricane apart from the even more lumbering P 40 Kitty- and Warhawks, so Hurricanes sometimes had an element of surprise.

No issue, numerically the Hurricane bore the brunt of the Battle of Britain, but not by shooting down Me 109s - that wasleft to the Spitfires -, but by downing German bombers which was strategically much more important. Bombers took more resources and time to build and a reduced bomber fleet endangered another Blitzkrieg success against Russia. Who knows, if the hundreds of bombers downed in England had been available for the attack on Russia and if Hitler hadn't wasted crucial time with the war in Greece (thus attacking Russia a few weeks later than planned and being faced with Russian winter earlier as a consequence), then WW II might have turned out differently, glad that it didn't though!

But without the Spitfires, the Hurricanes couldn't have wreaked as much havoc on the Dorniers and Heinkels as they did.
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Post by: Chris P. on March 28, 2009, 09:34:19 AM: And don't forget the Dutch Fokkers!!!

Ow, well, maybe it's better if we do forget them... Though they gunned down some German planes in the early days of May 1940. BTW: Boilersuit still rehearses at a German bunker of the former Bergen Military Airport, from where the Fokkers flew.

And Uwe: Mittwoch it is definately!
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Post by: Highlander on March 28, 2009, 05:53:28 PM: Ok guys and gals, how long before I can come out of the corner and leave the DUNCE CAP on the seat...? I am happy to be the brunt of abuse, I can live with that...

Gotta admit that my aviation "thrill" has always been the "jet-age" and especially the "afterburner"...

The show I took that Hellcat/Corsair pic (got better in flight shots of the Corsair, anyway) was at Duxford's 70th anniversary of the Spitfire show (2006)- they had hoped to get as many Spit's flying at the same time as possible, but high winds kept many of them on the deck, but eight did fly, in 2 diamond formations, and proceeded to strafe the runway as singletons in a beautiful full throttle display...
My daughter has taken to buying me a ticket to RIAT for father's day since 2007 and they were hoping for a big show for the RAF's 90th last year, but in typical British tradition "Rain Stopped Play" (they forgot about the fields the cars parked in and cancelled both days - hyped as being the "Worlds Biggest Air Show" - what a bummer, to coin an American expression...

Are any of you aware that there are more Spitfire's flying today than there were in the 70's or the 80's or the 90's and the number is going up each year... enthusiasts getting "Gate Guardians" and "junk" back to airworthieness...

Posted this shot elsewhere taken the same day (Aug 2006) of a static Merlin and Griffon engine on run-up for the "Piston-heads"...
(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/random%20stuff/20060903123.jpg)

... and found video of what looks like the same Griffon being run up at another site, but the sound does not do justice to the "volume" involved...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdfO657zHNY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdfO657zHNY)

Reference Hurricanes... the newest airworthy example "pranged" within weeks of a re-fit... here's a link to the accident report...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161223/Only-surviving-WWII-Hurricane-crash-lands--weeks-1-5million-half-year-restoration-completed.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161223/Only-surviving-WWII-Hurricane-crash-lands--weeks-1-5million-half-year-restoration-completed.html)

Had to do research as penance today and whilst out today I found a book in Waterstones directly linking Republic Thunderbolts against 109's in the European theatre of operation... here's a review and a link for you, Scott (and any other interested party) if you are not aware of it...
http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781846033155 (http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781846033155)

Back to the corner... :sad:
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Post by: godofthunder on March 28, 2009, 08:09:45 PM: I could be wrong but I believe that The P-47 once fitted with the paddle blade prop could out climb the BF 109G. The 109 G was heavy and sluggish, they should have stopped at the 109 F, the best of the lot.
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Post by: Dave W on March 28, 2009, 10:36:02 PM: Quote from: T' BaRD '59 on March 28, 2009, 05:53:28 PM
Ok guys and gals, how long before I can come out of the corner and leave the DUNCE CAP on the seat...? I am happy to be the brunt of abuse, I can live with that...

...Back to the corner... :sad:

As a Scotsman you should wear the dunce cap proudly. Restore the reputation of Duns Scotus. ;)
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 29, 2009, 12:21:35 AM: That review is interesting and no doubt factual but it compares the P-47C, the D variant fitted with a variable pitch paddle blade prop was a far better performer.............As stated in an earlier thread if I were flying in the war the P-47 would have been my choice, the 8 .50 cal. guns put an incredible weight of fire into a small area, in a rugged airframe with an engine that would get you home with entire cylinders shot out, truely one badass airplane 8)
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Post by: Highlander on March 29, 2009, 03:16:57 PM: Dave - well, well, well... we live and learn, and thanks for the (re) education... but if the "cap" fits... my face is still burning...

Scott and Mark... have you two ever been "regressed"...? just wondering where you both were, post 1941...

Re my PC'bird - missed a "Mudbucker" up for sale on ebay tonight... went over my budget - I'll keep looking for a bargain - (There was a Dimarzio model 1, but been down that road before) - anyone with a spare and willing to sell for a "reasonable" fee (via paypal), please get in touch...
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Post by: OldManC on March 29, 2009, 03:32:29 PM: Ken, if you want a mudbucker out of a '72 EB3L I'd be happy to post it to you. It's just sitting in the bass waiting to be yanked for an idea I have (the bass will eventually have pickups from a mid 90s LP bass). PM me your address if you want it.
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Post by: godofthunder on March 29, 2009, 04:32:28 PM: "Are any of you aware that there are more Spitfire's flying today than there were in the 70's or the 80's or the 90's and the number is going up each year... enthusiasts getting "Gate Guardians" and "junk" back to airworthieness..." And that's a good thing ! I had read that the #s were climbing and there is now the debate of who should be allowed to fly them and if they should fly at all. There are restorers who specialize in all types of aircraft, P40s to Spits to Me 262s ! I forget the name but there is a company that is building Me262s ! About 2.2 Million will buy you one :o ! This is one of my favorite planes and restorations done by Bob Odegaard, Cook Clelands Race 57 a F2G Super Corsair, he also has race 74 and is now restoring that F2G. Bob Odegaard's work is amazing ! http://www.warbirddepot.com/aircraft_fighters_f2g-odegaard.asp (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/174-g-1280.jpg)
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Post by: uwe on March 30, 2009, 03:30:13 AM: Quote from: godofthunder on March 28, 2009, 08:09:45 PM
I could be wrong but I believe that The P-47 once fitted with the paddle blade prop could out climb the BF 109G. The 109 G was heavy and sluggish, they should have stopped at the 109 F, the best of the lot.

The prop made a difference in climbing, but took away a little speed. The former was more important though than the latter, especially since the T-Bolts were meant to engage with the Messerschmidts, not escape from them!

All the armor and armament of the Me 109 G made it difficult to handle, captured Gs were remarked on by Allied test pilots to have the "nastiest handling characteristics imaginable". But there was a reason for it. While the F model was around, the Luftwaffe still reigned European skies, daylight bombing wasn't in full swing and the USAAF Flying Fortress and Liberator fleets weren't yet over the Reich. The F had great handling qualities, but was only armed with one cannon in the snout and two machine guns on the cowling. Try shooting down a B-17 or B-24 with that, especially if you only have a couple of seconds (and a Lightning or T-Bolt at your tail) and your one shot better be lethal to the four engine monster!!! The F's firepower was fine in a dogfight with another fighter, but even when it was introduced it split Luftwaffe pilots right down the middle. Luftwaffe Experte Werner Mölders rejoiced at its agility and the lighter armament ("finally, people have to aim again, not just spray bullets"), but he wasn't an active fighter pilot by then anymore (and crashed to his death in an Me 110 soon after without apparent Allied influence), but many active Luftwaffe pilots were aghast: "where the Allied fighters have more and more armament, we get less!", the F had one cannon less than the E (which had two wing cannons rather than a snout one, those wing cannons would return for many of the various G variants, especially as the war progressed, some Gs sported even three 2 cm cannons plus two cowling machine guns, other models featured two 3 cm cannons plus machine guns, German pilots referred to these heavily armed Gs as "Kanonenboote" you'd better not dogfight with as even a T-Bolt was agile in comparison). Some pilots refused to exchange their Es against Fs as long as they still had spare parts for the older model and part of the Focke Wulf 190 A's initial appeal over the Me 109 (it came out around the time as the F) was its better armament (though its performance suffered above 20.000 feet, making it less than ideal to attack USAAF bomber streams which regularly flew at much higher altitudes, it took the water-cooled engine of the FW 190 D model to make the Focke-Wulf a high altitude fighter).

The G - for the reasons above - also had to have much better high altitude performance than the F, though getting it there did its overall handling no favors.

So the F was fine over the Channel when dogfighting with Spitfires or in North Africa where Hurricanes, P-40ies and Air Cobras were not a match for it as well as in Russia where most air combat took place at low altitudes against Russian aircraft that were technologically inferior. But I wouldn't have wanted to be the one flying it against several dozen B-17 all bristling with machine guns or against a P-47 twice as rugged and with heavier armament.

Most G models you see at flight shows today have the under-wing cannons removed as they hamper agility and reduce speed by about 30 mph.

The F or "Ferdinand":

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2286/2239746172_9a0d80d174.jpg?v=0)

The G or "Gustav", notice the telltale bulge behind the cowling:

(http://www.taucher.net/redaktion/69/db601/bf109g6.jpg)
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Post by: Highlander on March 30, 2009, 04:02:35 PM: ... and Uwe, which rank did you hold back then...? hmm, maybe not military, entwerfer...?

Mark, Scott, Uwe...

I have certainly learnt a lesson here... be prepared for anything, and be certain to do your research, first...

(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/random%20stuff/2006090390.jpg)
Hey guys, I found this photo in my collection... any clues...?
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Post by: TBird1958 on March 30, 2009, 04:17:07 PM: That's a B-24 and an Avro Anson.............. ;)

In 1941 I was part of my then 9 year old mother, she lived in the Rhineland in Annweiler. In '44 she had the priviledge of being strafed while working in a field and later the same day bombed in a bunker by the Amis........
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Highlander on March 30, 2009, 04:54:02 PM: Wow... a double-agent... 8) Mark-a-haari...?

Something I'm much more in tune with, aviation-wise...
(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/random%20stuff/2006090316.jpg)
Concorde's cousin, the BAC TSR 2 - a victim of "Friendly Fire" and arguably the last independant British Military Design...?

The only one to ever fly was taken to a gunnery range and used for target practice - it is pure luck the 2 prototypes remain intact, just...

... or maybe something a little darker, excluding the cherry red hue they attained at top speed...
(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/random%20stuff/2006090359.jpg)
Ok, I can understand the USAF allowing one of these to grace the "American" hanger at Duxford, but why the fastest one...?
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Post by: Highlander on March 30, 2009, 04:55:26 PM: George... I had some problems trying to post last night (when that beaut of a shot of a Corsair appeared!) and have only just realised that it did not get there...

I've pm'd you directly... above and beyond the call of duty, Sir...

I am truly touched by the way you guys are... thank you...
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Post by: OldManC on March 30, 2009, 06:18:53 PM: I'll do the surgery tonight and get in the post tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest. My pleasure, BTW!
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Post by: OldManC on March 30, 2009, 08:32:50 PM: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/gcarlston/auctions/71%20mudbucker/small/71EB3LMudbuckerpartsII.jpg)

If this'll do ya I'll pack it up!
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: godofthunder on March 31, 2009, 01:03:59 PM: I could be wrong but I believe that The P-47 once fitted with the paddle blade prop could out climb the BF 109G. The 109 G was heavy and sluggish, they should have stopped at the 109 F, the best of the lot.

"The prop made a difference in climbing, but took away a little speed. The former was more important though than the latter, especially since the T-Bolts were meant to engage with the Messerschmidts, not escape from them!"
All the P-47 had to do was dive and the Bf 109 was a dot in the rear view mirror.
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: godofthunder on March 31, 2009, 02:13:43 PM: a quote from Ken "Scott and Mark... have you two ever been "regressed"...? just wondering where you both were, post 1941..." I have often wondered that my self, I have always felt i was born in the wrong era, The only good thing about this one is the electric bass ;)
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: uwe on April 01, 2009, 03:00:37 AM: Quote from: godofthunder on March 31, 2009, 01:03:59 PM
I could be wrong but I believe that The P-47 once fitted with the paddle blade prop could out climb the BF 109G. The 109 G was heavy and sluggish, they should have stopped at the 109 F, the best of the lot.

"The prop made a difference in climbing, but took away a little speed. The former was more important though than the latter, especially since the T-Bolts were meant to engage with the Messerschmidts, not escape from them!"
All the P-47 had to do was dive and the Bf 109 was a dot in the rear view mirror.

You're equating the almost twice as much weight of the T-Bolt with a faster rate of dive, Scott? :o Well, as this forum is by nature devoted to scientific truth ....

... Galileo Galilei has disproven you several centuries ago! :mrgreen:

(http://www.medienwerkstatt-online.de/lws_wissen/bilder/3055-1.jpg)

(http://www.mpg.de/bilderBerichteDokumente/multimedial/bilderWissenschaft/2004/12/Fray01/Web_Zoom.jpeg)

I'm not aware that T-Bolts could ever outdive ME 109s, the wind drag from that huge air-cooled engine must have been substantial. Perhaps in the long run through brute force of their stronger engines, but not initially. I'm not aware that any WW II fighter could actually substantially outdive an ME 109 which for all its drawbacks had (more or less accidental) excellent diving qualities. T-Bolts could outclimb ME 109s and were generally superior at very high altitudes, also the more stable and good-natured flight characteristics, took a better beating, were the more stable gun platform but actually outdive? IIRC "diving away" was the Luftwaffe's disengagement tactic until the end of the war with any Allied fighter.

You probably mistook the ME 109 with the Zero! :mrgreen: ;)
Title: Luftwaffe Corsair ...
Post by: uwe on April 01, 2009, 05:51:28 AM: This is interesting. I didn't know Corsairs flew in Europe, much less we got our hands on one:

"Corsair JT404 of 1841 squadron. Involved in anti-submarine patrol from HMS Formidable enroute to Scapa after Operation Mascot against the German Battleship Tirpitz, in company with Barracuda of Wing Leader Lt Cdr RS Baker-Falkner. Emergency landing in a field at Sorvag, Hameroy, near Bodo, Norway on 18 July 1944. The pilot Lt Mattholie taken POW and the aircraft captured intact with no damage. The german authorities made attempts to get the pilot to explain how to fold the wings so as to transport the aircraft to Narvik.*** Aircraft was ferried by boat for further investigation. It is not known if the Corsair was taken to Germany. This was probably the first Corsair captured by the Germans. Aircraft is listed at Rechlin for 1944 under repair."

*** I can just see it: "Leutnant Mattholie, vee are getting verry impatient whizz you! Show us sofort how ze vvvings vvvold or veee haff ze vvays to make you! War is war." And what would our heroic English pilot reply? "Hey Jerry, why don't you bloody crash it yourself into your Tirpitz to see how the wings fold! And have Göring fly it while you're at it ..." ;)

Seriously, the RAF pilot probably didn't know "how the wings folded" as that would have been done by the ground crew, not him. Corsairs folding their gull wings in mid-flight were kinda rare, those who lived to tell even rarer! ;D

It is unclear whether the warbird actually ever made it to Rechlin (where the Luftwaffe tested captured Allied aircraft, regularly with lots of yellow finish to prevent them from being accidentally attacked by German Flak or fighters) and apparently no pics exist. Some people envisage it to have looked like this:

(http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/CapturedCorsairartistsimpression-profile.jpg)

Others like this:

(http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/bilder/9/7/9/3979-3078571.jpg)

(http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/bilder/9/7/9/3979-3078574.jpg)

(http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/bilder/9/7/9/3979-3078576.jpg)

http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/9-flugzeuge-militaer-bis-1949/3979-corsair-mkii.html

Goes to show that you can give the Brits anything, they'll inevitably make a mess of it and lose it. And then don't even know how ze wings föld. 8)
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: TBird1958 on April 01, 2009, 08:18:16 AM: Uwe.......

Your sense of humor is absolutely priceless!
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Post by: uwe on April 01, 2009, 08:25:02 AM: I'm gonna set that Dutch guy straight tonight!
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Post by: Saf on April 01, 2009, 08:52:01 AM: great topic it's starts with gibson and end with woII planes.
I love it. Just makes me go and find my little booklet about Messerschmitt 109's It's not the biggest book in the world but it has descriptions of all the versions in it mostly with pictures from the early me109's right untill the me190V-30A and even the in licence spanish build Hispano HA112 that was kept in production as late as 1958.
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Post by: Stjofön Big on April 01, 2009, 10:11:18 AM: 1958? You gotta be kidding? That late?
(The Supremes had a nice song about a situation like this: Shake me, wake me, when it's over) And I thought bass players were the greatest nerds of them all... javascript:void(0);
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Post by: Barklessdog on April 01, 2009, 10:41:54 AM: What we have no Japanese aviation fans here, no "Betty", "George" or "Wilma" fans?
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: TBird1958 on April 01, 2009, 11:44:17 AM: Quote from: uwe on April 01, 2009, 08:25:02 AM
I'm gonna set that Dutch guy straight tonight!

Yay!

I have womanly needs ;)
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Post by: uwe on April 01, 2009, 04:58:36 PM: Already again? (Wo)Man, that Lull-bliss sure didn't last long!
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Highlander on April 02, 2009, 08:27:00 AM: Re those Eastern peoples, a darker interlude...

I'll use a quote (from a book I am writing about my father's time in Burma and his fondness for the Japanese race), admittedly made about the Germans, by the late Spike Milligan, that my father used to offer when asked about the Japanese (especially after reminding himself internally of being straffed by Japanese aircraft for several days in a deep-jungle Burmese encampment code named "Blackpool") ...

As another example, my father often recounted a story when ever anyone would ask him his views on the Japanese, as follows, “Spike Milligan, when once interviewed by Terry Wogan, was asked the question, ‘I understand you’re not very keen on the Germans?’ Spike leaned over to Terry, rested a hand on his knee, and speaking in very conspiratorial tones replied, ‘They tried to kill me, you know’”. His view was totally unflinching from this analogy…

The book, which has been nearing completion for several years (there goes the squirrel...! i.e. I find something else to research...) has two working titles - "The Hebridean Chindit", giving 2 topics of interest in the title, or my preferred but less comercial title "The Stopped At Two" which I will probably use as a subtitle...

They stopped at two...?

From the book...
As a final example, which I seriously considered as being the title for the story: in the early 1980’s, he was in a central London hospital with a broken hip after slipping and falling heavily on the pavement on his way to work. As a tongue firmly planted in cheek joke, I gave him a one-inch thick, highly detailed book, about the creation of the first Nuclear weapons, from conception right through to their use on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to cheer him up. Having been kept relatively in the dark about his views, and never having been that interested in history, I had no true idea of how dark his view of the Japanese people was. His conclusion was that…
… It was a good story, but the outcome was flawed, as they (the Americans) had stopped at two…
The two being the weapons loosed upon those two cities. This comment was not made in a joking manner, he was being sincere: he fully believed that if the Japanese race were wiped off the face of the Earth, it would not be enough to repay what they had done. I do not think any of us can understand this level of hatred, unless they have endured something similar…

Uwe - he considered the Germans to be gentlemen...

Anyone out there ever studied "Vinegar Joe", not the musical act...
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: TBird1958 on April 02, 2009, 09:13:43 AM: Quote from: uwe on April 01, 2009, 04:58:36 PM
Already again? (Wo)Man, that Lull-bliss sure didn't last long!

Actually that hasn't even started yet as I've only had a chance to play it loud with band once, it'll likely be a long-term love affair.
I was merely trying to plan ahead for the occasion of your "setting the dutch guy straight" ;D
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: uwe on April 02, 2009, 10:16:11 AM: "Re those Eastern peoples, a darker interlude..."

Difficult one this is.

I believe Nazi Germany was much more evil than Imperial Japan, nothing surpasses Auschwitz and what it stands for in terms of "evilhood". The Japanese committed horrible war crimes like Nanking, treated their P.O.W.s badly, looked for supremacy in Asia and the Pacific region etc. But at the heart of the conflict with the USA were warring economic interests. Japan did not want to destoy the US (like Nazi Germany wanted to destroy Russia) and the US, I believe, had more the reinstatement of its sphere of influence in mind than the liberation of Asia when it pushed back the Japanese following Pearl Harbor (not a Japanese war crime in my opinion, Pearl Harbor was by any standard of war a purely military target). At the same time I believe that the US' mission in Europe was noble and that liberation of Western Europe was a key aim (as well as keeping Russian influence at bay!). To put it pointedly, the Pacific War was very much a traditional one, not inherently different to wars for influence in previous centuries (which cannot excuse Japanese war crimes nor the rushed atomic bombing of Nagasaki after it was clear that Imperial Japan was already punch-drunk from Hiroshima, maybe there is something to that theory that it wouldn't have been dropped on "fellow-caucasians" like it was dropped on Asians though it was initially planned for Berlin), while the European War had something of a world crusade against a demonic ideology. Berlin possibly "deserved" the atomic bomb more than Hiroshima.

Yet more than sixty years after WW II, I cannot help finding that post-war Germany's acceptance among other nations and people - even those who had to suffer incredibly under German rule like Poland, Russia and (the people of) Israel - is greater than that of Japan. Why is that? Because "fellow-caucasians" are more prone to forgive one another than they are likely to forgive Asians? If that were the case, then China and Korea as Asians should be alright with Japan, but they are obviously not. I guess the difference is guilt and penance. I sometimes have the impression that Japan regrets losing WW II more than it does what it did during that period, as if Hiroshima paid for Nanking, the shooting of Jap P.O.Ws on Iwo Jima for the Death March. Germany's view is more "we can't believe we actually did all this, what went so wrong?" though German post-war dealings with those horrible years between 1933 amd 1945 weren't spotless either, justice and society turning a blind eye on many a former Nazi criminal (I'm not even talking about rank and file party members), but by and large we did look our demons in the eye, especially from the sixties onwards and while one generation of a nation or people is not convicted of the crimes of a former generation of that nation or people and there is no "original sin" in being German (I hope!), there is (and should be) collective shame and a general feeling of responsibility that this may never happen again. If you walk like I recently did through the Lidice memorial (a small Czech village that was completely erased in a barbaric and utterly unfounded reprisal action by German police and SS units following the assassination of a Nazi bigshot in Prague, all men were shot, all children gassed, all women sent to concentration camps and even the village cemetery was dug up to desecrate the dead), you can't help wondering how anybody coming from your own country could have believed this to be anything but intensely evil 60-some years ago, no matter what their upbringing and political views. And you can't explain it away by dismissing them all as mindless beasts and sadists either, they (unfortunately) weren't. They were mostly "ordinary Germans" of their time.

Anyway, for most likely cultural reasons, the Japanese still have some way to go to reach that kind of insight. And that irks a lot of people who might even be prone to forgive (not forget) if there was a more visible sign of penance.

Uwe
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: TBird1958 on April 02, 2009, 11:10:05 AM: Thanks for being our moderator Uwe.
Yours is a rare and thoughtful insight.

Ken, I've only studied "Vinegar Joe" from Claire Chennault's viewpoint................Not a complimentary one!
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Highlander on April 02, 2009, 04:18:10 PM: Moderators - this post may need to be relocated to the cafe as it has probably strayed too far from the original idea, not that I'm complaining though... ;)

Mark... I have a healthy respect, nay, admiration for General Stilwell and have, through necessary research for my father's book, had to study him at length... The "Stilwell Papers" is an obvious start for direct research, but the best general (no pun intended) overview is almost certainly Barbara Tuchman's "Sand Against The Wind..."

Stilwell was a victim of his own opinions, someone brave enough to stand up and speak the truth, and he paid the ultimate price, dying before he had a chance to vindicate himself. He fully believed in the Chinese fighting force, more than they did themselves, something that Mao Zedong also understood, but with CSK always looking over his shoulder at the growing Communist threat, this opportunity was lost, and Stillwell was sent home, in disgrace...

The direct relating of his influence on my father's predicement at "Blackpool", which was an unmitigated military disaster - too close to the front, no escape route, no supplies (monsoon season), the Japanese statement that "All Chindit's will be executed, no prisoners will be taken", and the fact that they had blocked the Japanese supply route and they wanted them out - and that Vinegar "That'll burn the Limey's up" Joe believed Masters' (commander of 111th Brigade) to be "a coward" for wanting to retreat - they were all but wiped out...

The biggest problem he had was believing that the only effective American presence on the ground ("Merrill's Marauders" - check out Charlton Ogburn's book - probably best direct research I have found) was "had it", even scouring hospitals to try and send people "back to the front" when they were "finished" - as long as one American remained standing, he was not going to give the "Limeys" an inch of respect... He detested the "upper-class" - funny that, so did my dad - never even considered himself to be a Brit... when questioned about Royalty, he would comment on the Germanic influence and the contentious to Scotland 6th verse of the National Anthem, by saying, "They are not my Royal Family; I am not British, I am not Scottish, I am not even a Highlander... I am an Islander..."

The major flying influence for the CBI area of my studies was Lt Col Cochran and the 1st Air Commando Group

The phrase, “Any place, anytime, anywhere”, in use in some US aviation circles, is reputably attributable to General Orde Wingate, the Chindit commander who died in a B25 accident in Burma in 1944…

Uwe... This will take longer... and it will have to be grim... any quotes are paraphrasing from memory - it would take too long for the purpose of this response to be completely accurate, to the letter...

Most Europeans (I will exclude you here, that would surprise me too much) do not even know that Japan was already at War (I always capitalise that word) in 1939, occupying a significant proportion of the Chinese mainland (including Manchuria and a selection of coastal points including Shanghai), also Taiwan and Korea...

Genocide/Democide…? post 1945 Chinese estimates of deaths attributed to the 2nd Sino-Japanese War between 20 and 35 million – this has been viewed as “Democide”. Estimates of Genocide vary wildly too (3 to 10 million are variations I have found).

There were “Experimental Stations” (ref- “Unit 731” for probably the worst example), equally as grim as anything discovered in Europe, far too grim to post details here, but I don’t know of many US or British airmen that were supplied to a German university and used for vivisection… (ref to a B29 that crashed on the Japanese mainland in 1945)

I do not remember any cannibalism coming up widely in German War history, it would be so utterly reprehensible to the Germanic (and Nazi) pschye and to that of most Westerners; this was widespread in the Pacific and, to a lesser degree, the CBI, especially when they were at their most desperate (research – “Australian War Crimes Tribunal – cannibalism”, amongst others, if you wish a quick find); there was a point of view that it was "frowned upon to eat the flesh of your comrades, but acceptable to eat your enemy"; the most notable AWCT item that sprang out to me was an Oz POW who had his liver cut out and was then slung in a ditch, still living, whilst they diced, fried and served his liver to the Officers - the viewpoint was that this would "empower you with the strength and spirit of your enemy"... a “Warrior Race” more Klingon than the Klingons…

How about the enforced Korean/Burmese/Chinese "comfort women"...? Widespread throughout the Pacific Rim and CBI… My father’s brigade came across one camp and, “Scattered them to the jungle, too tired to think of anything else…”

Most do not know that “Brutality” was rife throughout the Japanese chain-of-command, getting more brutal the further it went down, which was a significant change between the Wars. To avoid “soiling their hands”, Korean guards were used in many POW camps, who were treated barely better that the POW’s, so who could they kick…?

It would not be too hard to conclude that as soon as America starting supplying military-aid ("Lease-Lend") to the UK they would be deemed to be a threat to Japan, and therefore Pearl Harbor an inevitable and (dare I say it) brilliant pre-emptive strike - the mistake is also obvious - "too many fronts"... (Don't get me wrong here, USofA cuzzies) America is like a dozing bear or bull, that will quite comfortably dominate its surroundings, but slap it's butt... the problem with present day issues is the beast trying to fight an insect that has stung it - there are just too many individuals to try and fight... the only answer is a "Fly-Screen", imo... drastic…? Yes, but the 2 POV’s are alien to each-other, and I see no way of changing this…

General MacArthur was primarily responsible for keeping Emporor Hirohito in power (as a figurehead during transition) but isn't it ironic that, as far as I am aware, he was the last living War-time leader... and he never publicly apologised for what they did... that would have helped the healing process...

“Little Boy” and “Fat Man” were differing weapons (Uranium and Plutonium, respectively) and it could be viewed that “why waste it, now it’s here…?” LB was a “direct hit” – FM missed, the force being channeled back through a valley… I can only presume that it was an experiment and the PTB’s took an opportunity to exploit the moment – how many years of hard research did that save them… (considering your background, Uwe, I presume you know about the case going through the British courts at present…? Re British research and troop exposure - Bikini)

We all have our cross to bear - the English (and the Christians) are now paying for the "Failed Crusades" - I fully understand why my late father respected the German people, but I also understand those that cannot forgive the Germans - I had a friend who's father (also now passed) who was in the first wave of troops to over-run one of the death camps (Belsen?) who held similar views to my father...

I have not relished the research I have had to do on this subject, and I am by no means an expert, but it has opened my eyes to the cruelty we do as Nations…

None of us should be responsible for the "sins of the father...", but it is our responsibility not to let them re-occur… something that “big-business” fails to understand, in the main…

Whoah… that was cathartic…

Ps I have had several comments re “when will the book be available…?” All it will do (if published) is point people in the direction of further research, but I do believe it has the makings of a last great unmade War Movie… even down to the end, a wounded survivor of a massacre being flown out of “the Jungle” (Lake Indawgyi) in a Sunderland Flying Boat… not a joke, a fact, 2 of them, nicknamed “Daisy and Gert”, and I am aware of the last flying example being based in Florida and being owned by the wonderfully named Kermit Weeks…

Pps I may re-edit and expand, as reqd… not enough time to edit…

ppps sudden thought... an excerpt from my book - I'll finish this with a quote that centres on Charlton Ogburn's book on Merrill's Marauders and leaving John"Jack" Masters with the final words, to give you a flavour of what Burma was...

INTO BURMA – “BROADWAY”…

My voyage of discovery continued as I dipped into more and more reference works. In the book “The Maurauders”, by Charlton Ogburn, a man who fought with Colonel Hunter and General Merrill…

When I first read Brigadier Bernard Ferguson’s introduction (page vi) to the British edition, he referenced the following…
"In all the essentials of the story, and in scores of details, Mr Ogburn casually and without knowing it says Shibboleth to the initiates. If nothing else in his book proved it, the twenty lines which he quotes from one of his own letters, on page 12, would satisfy any former Chindit. Sight, sound, smell, sweat; the precious little pleasures and the minor irritations that became gigantic; the weight of the pack, the squelching of the boots; the heat and the cold, the sun and the rain, the rare contrasting moments of despair and exhilaration; the curious reactions of the pit of the stomach, the book responds to all tests…”

I had to go straight to page 12, to Charlton Ogburn’s quote…

"I don’t know how to convey the effects of the past three months experience. It would be easy to overdo its nightmarish aspects, for we had much to be grateful for – a temperate climate, generally fair weather, and hazards rather less than American troops had to endure in Africa and Italy. And of course one adjusts to almost any way of life and can come to derive really tremendous pleasure from the occasional opportunity to spend the night on the bamboo floor of a basha instead of on a wet hillside, and from a situation that permits one to have fires after dark, ro from those rare times when one can actually eat one’s fill and when enough coffee has been provided so that one can make three cups of it a day if one wishes without having to do without it later. Then there were those times when we laid up for a day alongside a beautiful clear river and we could swim and shave and wash our filthy uniforms. There were great compensations, and I think one laughed and joked about as much as one does normally. And yet it would not be enough to say that it was the worst experience I have ever been through. It was so incomparably the worst that all the time I could hardly believe in the rest of my life at all…"

If I ever find a better summation than that, I will include it here… No? Nothing else? Then let’s move on to Burma and “Broadway”…

Major John “Jack” Masters, from chapter 13 of “The Road Past Mandalay”, on the Japanese Army: -

"They are the bravest people I have ever met. In our armies, any of them, nearly every Japanese would have had a Congressional Medal or a Victoria Cross. It is the fashion to dismiss their courage as fanaticism but this only begs the question. They believed in something, and they were willing to die for it, for any smallest detail that would help to achieve it. What else is bravery? They pressed on their attacks when no other troops in the world would have done so, when all hope of success was gone; except that it never really is, for who can know what the enemy has suffered, what is his state of mind? The Japanese simply came on, using all their skill and rage, until they were stopped, by death. In defence they held their ground with a furious tenacity that never faltered. They had to be killed, company by company, squad by squad, man by man, to the last. By 1944 many thousands of Allied soldiers had fallen unwounded into enemy hands as prisoners, because our philosophy and our history have taught us to accept the idea of surrender. By 1944 the number of Japanese captured unwounded, in all theatres of war, probably did not total one hundred. On the Burma front it was about six. For the rest, they wrote beautiful little poems in their diaries, and practised bayonet work on their prisoners. Frugal and bestial, barbarous and brave, artistic and brutal, they were the “dushman” and we now set about, in all seriousness, the task of killing every one of them…"
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Highlander on April 02, 2009, 04:36:41 PM: George... 8) and thanks for the efforts, but please think about what I said, even if in a differing direction...?

Uwe... nice find re the German Corsair - try for an RAF ME262 based at Farnborough, anyone...

Uwe, Mark...? setting Doug "Straight"...? is Uwe "The Doug Whisperer"... ;D

If I write anything else tonight I will be skinned, excluding one new post, I'll take the risk...
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Post by: Freuds_Cat on April 02, 2009, 05:19:50 PM: OK I just printed this entire thread to read in the toilet at work. War and Peace in a thread ;D
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Post by: TBird1958 on April 03, 2009, 01:37:21 PM: Brett,

All I can say here, is you must have some serious business to conclude in the toilet :o
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Post by: n!k on April 03, 2009, 01:56:56 PM: Apparently, lingering emotional fallout from World War II is the most unusual Gibson trinket of all.
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Freuds_Cat on April 03, 2009, 04:16:42 PM: Quote from: TBird1958 on April 03, 2009, 01:37:21 PM
Brett,

All I can say here, is you must have some serious business to conclude in the toilet :o

Just finished all my work and needed something to keep me occupied till knock off time. .....Thread concluded satisfactorily. ;)
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: TBird1958 on April 03, 2009, 05:08:20 PM: If you had printed it out on the right kind of paper it could have served as more than just reading material ;)
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Post by: exiledarchangel on April 04, 2009, 01:12:33 AM: Quote from: TBird1958 on April 03, 2009, 05:08:20 PM
If you had printed it out on the right kind of paper it could have served as more than just reading material ;)

True! But printing on toilet paper is a shitload of work!!! ;D
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Freuds_Cat on April 04, 2009, 04:09:17 AM: Due to the quality of some of the writing in the thread I couldn't bring myself to do that Mark even though the Govt issue toilet paper at work is seriously more course than the A4 sheets I printed on.
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Lightyear on April 04, 2009, 09:19:09 AM: Quote from: Freuds_Cat on April 04, 2009, 04:09:17 AM
*******the Govt issue toilet paper at work is seriously more course than the A4 sheets I printed on.

Geezus! A4 toilet paper!! You guys take this metric cr@^ to the nth degree dont you! ;D :P
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Highlander on April 04, 2009, 09:38:51 AM: I'm feeling kinda flushed by all this attention... :mrgreen:

A0, A1, A2...? toilet paper is probably closer to A6, at a pinch - same size as US loo-roll, if I remember correctly... ;)

Hate to say this, Buzz, but the only countries in the World (there may be minor exclusions) that have failed to take up ISO216 (you guessed it, based on an earlier German spec - stop grinning, Uwe, no point in winding them up any more than they are already...!) is USA and Canada - I believe some countries is South America still use Letter size - what size paper to US blueprints, draughts come out as, anyone over the pond...?

Brett, do I book you a full copy when published, soft print edition...? ;D
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Freuds_Cat on April 04, 2009, 03:42:50 PM: Yes thanks Ken, only can I have the Paper back version as the thought of a "Hard Cover" makes me wince?
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Highlander on April 04, 2009, 03:53:57 PM: No problem Sport, err... Brett... just gotta get her published, plus a minor bit of finishing off, that is...

The Aussies had it ROUGH, and I mean REAL ROUGH...! It seems they took a lot worse than anyone else, and I can't find any specific reason why... I can post up a recommendation for the 2 roughest titles if your taste descends that low... curiously enough, one of them is written by a Japanese Proffessor, living in Oz... two of the hardest books I have ever had the displeasure of reading...
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: godofthunder on April 04, 2009, 04:05:57 PM: Ken, Always a good read :o My Father was a Marine, trained to hate and kill the Japanese what a strange twist of fate when he had to do business with them in the 70's, it killed him.
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Highlander on April 04, 2009, 05:40:10 PM: Scott, I presume he was a bit east of my dad (those 2 Eastwood movies are stunners, imho) during WW2...? Do you know anything about his service record...?

When I was a kid I knew nothing of what he went through, I only knew about this big circular dent he had in his leg; he never discussed the War, and it was made obvious that he did not wish to have it discussed... My grandfather (who I was partly named after) was always a safe discussion (died before I was 3) and he was written up in books (Merchant Navy legend - even has a statue just opposite the Tower of London, as a "gate guardian" for the WW2 MN memorial for the names of the 30,000+ lost during that round-up) Radier called the "Pinguin" (and a captured vessel called the "Passat") laid mines across the eastern and southern coasts of Australia in 1940, and yes, my Granddad was in the first vessel to hit one, the SS Cambridge... only as part of (you guessed it) research I discovered that he was in an RN vessel lost in WW1 to a U Boat torpedoe, so he had 2 close calls in his fifty plus years at sea, and he couldn't swim a stroke - Yep! fifty years at sea and he could not swim - that was the norm... the logic was stunningly simple - if you were lost-at-sea it was considered a blessing if you drowned quickly, so you suffered less - try and imagine how big the Pacific is, let alone the Atlantic, and imagine how much you would suffer trying to stay afloat if you could swim... I have a fishing heritage, as veggie as I may be, and have had dozens of relatives drown within sight of land...

The grimmest bit of War history for my "home Island" is about the HMY "Iolair", meaning "Eagle" in the Gaelic, when she was lost on New Years morning 1919, in sight of Stornoway Harbour... more than 200 souls, on their way to a post WW1 celebration, barely a month past Armistice Day - The Island was a seafaring peoples, so it was always "amusing" why my father was "called-up" to Army duties... in WW1 they lost more people per-capita than anywhere else in the British Empire - fact...

The Xmas before my mum died ('91) I just made a passing comment about the author that the family knew (a family friend and neighbour, the late Norman MacDonald - a mostly Gaelic writer; had been trying to get dad to "spill-the-beans" since '44) and why he didn't talk to him - "unload" so to speak - and about his wound, when he stunned me by saying the following...

From the book...
The last Christmas we spent together as a family, prior to my mother’s death. my father seemed unusually talkative and I reminded him of what Norman had said, saying it would do him good to get it off his chest, finally put it to rest, to which he commented that he would “think about it…” I remember on the same evening making a chance comment about his War-wound, an ?” dent on his calf, nearly 2” in diameter. I was, at that time, unaware of any other injuries; I do not ever remember seeing him not wearing a shirt and, at least, shorts; he never learned to swim and the sea-side was a rolled-up trouser leg paddle at best! His nonchalant reply took me totally by surprise…
"… Oh, that was the third time I was injured…"
He followed on from my obvious repetition of his statement, and further enquiry as to what were the others with…
"… The first time, I was shot in the arm; the second, I was a bit too close to a Jap hand grenade; and then finally, I was a bit too close to a Jap mortar strike: that’s what did me in…"
These comments were not expanded on; they were given unemotionally, but not in a blasé fashion, as if they had been part of an every-day event; no different from walking the dog or taking the rubbish out to the bin…
... But, when I read the first draft of what he supplied to Norman before he (Norman) died gave me an insight to what the injuries actually meant...

from the book...

The original name for the block was “Clydeside”, but due to this being mentioned in an open broadcast, the name had to be changed. John Masters utilised an unusual method of identifying the layout of “Blackpool”, using cricketing terms to describe the areas where the troops were stationed; the Cameronians were located adjacent to the King’s Own...

"... In actual fact, our section was not directly attacked, but every night some of us were on patrol, attacking the Jap’s in the rear if they attacked the block. It was on one of these that I received my first wound, a bullet, in the fleshy part (if I had any flesh left) of the upper arm. This type of incident is often displayed in Hollywood films with persons being flung backwards by bullets. This is nonsense, unless the bullet was a “shell” which exploded. An ordinary bullet just feels like a pinprick, and to begin with, the area is numb; it is only afterwards that the pain begins.
During the next nine days, life was quite hectic, and rather curious. An area was being levelled for gliders (if only helicopters had been invented!). This area was then lengthened to take in Dakota’s, and they brought in the twenty-five pounders, wiring to be placed around the block, and many other things."
The Americans did have helicopters, not many though, but I did find reference to one even being used to rescue a couple of Chindits…
"...Every night the Jap’s attacked in the same spot while the Dakotas were being unloaded a matter of yards away; this we completely ignored: it was dealt with by other troops. When the wiring was set up the Jap’s were committing suicide by throwing themselves onto the wire and blowing themselves up with “Bangalore Torpedoes”; alternately they were throwing themselves at the wire and acting as a bridge for their comrades to use. All these attacks failed, and for couple of days the block had a rest, but not for us as we spent most of the time outside the block. One day we were guarding the airstrip and I was on the edge of the path, in a thick clump of bushes, when I noticed a native walking along the path, carefully examining it for footprints: our footprints were quite different from the Jap’s, so he was obviously spying out for them. I was undecided what to do as the path was visible to the Jap’s about a quarter of a mile away, and they were in possession of very good Mortars. When he was opposite me, I put my hands out, caught his ankle and hauled him into the bushes. He was stunned and I handed him over to the Corporal. Shortly afterwards, I heard shots behind me. I was told that the Burmese had bolted and been shot; another dead native, so no wonder they didn’t like us. One day during a quiet period, while an air-drop was taking place, a shot went off and we had an immediate stand-to. This did not last long and we were later told that it was one of our own lads who had shot himself deliberately. The continual bombardment at night was getting everyone down and this lad had reached his limit and wanted out; I have no idea who he was or what unit he belonged to, or what happened subsequently; an hour later the incident was forgotten.
I had been on patrol some nights running and this night I was told I would have a nights rest; this was not necessarily a good thing, as most nights we were under heavy bombardment and very little sleep could be had. By the time we came to the block, our Platoon strength had dropped from forty plus to about twenty-five through personnel killed or evacuated (wounded and/or sick); by now it had dropped much further, so that when we were required to send out a patrol each Platoon had to send out two or three men each. One of the men detailed from my Platoon returned saying he had complained of illness, and that I had to take his place; I cursed that man with every curse word I could think of; in fact, I was later told they couldn’t understand a word of what I was saying, so I must have been cursing in Gaelic…"
At that time, everyone outside of the town-folk spoke the Gaelic at home, pretty much exclusively. There are even stories I have heard of predominately “Gaelic speaking crews” in the shipping company his father worked for from the thirties to the fifties. My father told me that he only learnt to speak English properly when, “I started school, in 1930, at around the age of seven”. I was quite young at the time and the answer was in response to a question of whether he, “Thought in English or Gaelic?” The response was, “Probably both; we had to learn speak English: it was the Law”, and it was not said in a pleasurable tone. Often as not, when children first went to school, the only words of English they knew was “yes” and “no”…
"… I had a hunch that something serious was going to happen that night. As usual, I was lumbered with the Bren-Gun; and of course, I was carrying my heavy pack, so again I would have been carrying upwards of eighty to one-hundred pounds. We reached the railway at Hopin and realised a train was going through. There was no way we could alert our own twenty-five pounders, so we released as many bullets and hand-grenades as possible and ran back to the relative safety of the Jungle. I had just put a new magazine on the Bren when a Jap hand-grenade exploded to the left of my head; I was dazed and afterwards I recall saying it felt as if, “Joe Louis had hit me on the jaw”.
I followed the sound of running feet in front of me and, luckily, they came from my own party, who had taken up a defensive position in a clump of trees. I came to my senses and realised that my finger was still along the trigger guard; I was lucky my finger was still there as I could easily have fired into our own people.
I realised that I was indeed very lucky, all I received were a number of metal splinters in my head and the side of my face; I received no treatment for this, and for quite some time afterwards I was pulling bits out of the side of my face and neck. The man in front of me had received serious neck injuries, the one behind a serious one in the throat.
When day came we got back to our block and were met by some American Army Air force personnel, who took quite a few photographs of us. I would have dearly loved to have got some of these, as it was the only occasion I recall ever seeing photographs of us being taken; I never saw any of the press, and can only presume our campaign was considered too dangerous to attend."
Every time I re-read this, I keep getting an impression of an extremely emaciated version of Arnold Schwarzeneger, loaded (over-loaded!) to the hilt, brandishing a heavy weapon, as in “Predator”, or “Commando”. As for the photos, I can only presume that they never made it back, or lie languishing, forgotten, in some private collection somewhere… Anyone ever seen a photo of a Chintit carrying a Bren-Gun, and a pack, and a Lee Enfield…?
Regarding the injured men, my father later noted…
"... Months afterwards I met them in hospital, and they were both partially paralysed by their injuries; I cannot remember their names and I didn’t come across either of them in the Regiment in the UK, so I think they may have been discharged as being “unfit for service”…"
On Japanese grenades, Michael Calvert noted in “Prisoners of Hope”…
"... Fortunately the Jap grenade is a typical Oriental grenade – all bark and very little bite… "
I can only presume that this rule can have exceptions. I do recall that during the eighties, my father was sent by his doctor to the local hospital outpatients department, to have a piece of shrapnel removed that had started to surface between the thumb and forefinger of his left hand, a full forty years after the event...
The last wound was at the fall of "Blackpool" - the Japanese used a 6" mortar, as opposed to the British 4", but that story remains within the book fo now...

Now if anyone has seen thos pictures over in the USofA, do let me know...

I think I'll post a Sci-Fi in the Cafe, to lighten the proceedings...
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: sniper on April 10, 2009, 09:24:45 AM: okay players, my shoulder seperation is getting worse, the arthritis is getting worse and i am going to keep my epi and my bedroom amp. i am selling all the rest of my stuff period!!! i want to return to my first love and build one more rod before i retire. i need to buy a big welder that will stick and TIG.

i have more Gibby trinkets and other things than you can possbily imagine!!

amp, amp parts, builder goodies, NOS Gibby unobtainables, bodies, neck and custom neck blank, pups, guards, bridges, caps, pots, a new amp chassis and more shit than i can think of and i am not listing it on Ebay right now. i want to sell it in one lot and let you decide if you want it all or want to split the cost with other players in here for what you want. i want one check and buyer assumes all shipping costs or arranges for tansportation. this is the good shit i have been hiding for myself.

send me a message and i will send a list, links to pics and a price. there should be something for everyone in this lot. i have to work on the links now as all the pics are on my photobucket.

there is enough stuff to build a really nice bass and sell the other stuff for more than what i am asking.

play well,

bill

http://s170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/cathousemouse/

the quest password is "bassplayer"

there is a listing on the left side of the screen that will show you about everything i have for sale in this lot in the different albums. if you don't see it, ask.
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Chris P. on April 10, 2009, 09:39:53 AM: That's bad to hear. Good luck!!
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Dave W on April 10, 2009, 09:45:16 AM: Sorry to hear this, Bill.
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: sniper on April 10, 2009, 10:04:40 AM: it is just getting to the point that when i play my shoulder hurts so bad that night i cannot sleep. i am keeping my epi, shich for all practical purposed is a bolt on gibby after all my mods and my little practice amp which i can carry and will continue to have fun.

i am gong to do the rod build with my younger brother. so i am not out to pasture yet! lol, just slowing down a bit.

here is the list:

1)   A one piece LP Junior (think 59 EBO shaped) in Mahog. Story on this one is I bought it from a guitar builder that moved to Fla from Nashville. He knew a tech that made this supposedly at the Gibby factory. Doug (the seller/builder) gave me the guy’s name that made this but I have forgotten it. It is really nice wood and has a Gibby neck notch that is rather small and not too deep. I have a Mahog, Maple laminated neck I was going to use that could be set like a S.D.Curlee bass if a person so desired. The neck would be perfect for a short scale Curlee like bass. The body has been curing about 3-4 years now according to Doug.
2)   Laminated Mahog/Maple neck blank. Rough shaped 5 piece laminations. Been glued and curing over two years now. The builder stopped building guitars while he goes to dental school. The Mahogany is figured beautifully in this blank. One extra piece big enough for the wings in matching Mahogany to make a 59 Gibby like small style peghead.
3)   I have too many bass pups: a) a Dimarzio Model G, NOS/NIB with no trim ring, but takes a regular humbucker guitar ring. It is the early model with four wires so it can be coil tapped in phase or parallel. b) a New Dark Star DS2 (Gibby spacing or close anyways 2.03” total center to center measurement) never been soldered on I bought directly from Fred with a black chrome trim ring. c) a NOS 70’s Gibby bass bucker pup, complete with all mounting hardware, never been soldered on I bought from a guy closing his music shop. It didn’t come with a trim ring and has a black markered number on the back. Said he had a case of them and this was the only one he had left. I did get a trim ring for this that is honestly relic’d and broken in one place, but very nicely super glued (no glue blobs showing!) and is stable. This is not a Jeanne pickguard trim ring but a real injection molded Gibby one with part number on the back. No original trim screws.
4)   A chrome set of Schaller tuners, look like Gotoh GB7’s (not Clover leafed), NOS/NIB, closed gear.
5)   NOS black Grover mini bass tuners, closed gear. Think I have the box they came in.
6)   Black Chrome Schaller bridge I got from Warmoth, NOS, never been screwed onto a body, but no box, complete with spacer. I have kept this wrapped in tissue so it would not get too banged up!
7)   Two piece bridge complete with studs, chromed, a cheapy but heavy and fairly nice looking. Pics can be seen on my photobucket (I will give you the link and the guest password at the end of this so you can see all this stuff)
8)   NOS BadAss bridge (original type) still in vacuumed plastic wrap. Chrome with no notches (I took the cardboard backing off the package). Why I did that I have no idea!
9)   Gibby SG,EBO type control cavity cover, used but nice, no major gouges, black original Gibby piece, no screws
10)   Gibby brass control cavity shield, used but nice and not torn up.
11)   Blank bone nut. New but aged a couple of years.
12)   CTS 300 audio taper pots (2) new
13)   CTS 250 pots linear taper (2) new
14)   Ebony fretless board with Maple inset line markers. I screwed this up and gouged it, but it is oversized wide and long and can be used on a short scale with the trimming losing some of the gouges and the worm hole. (wear my glasses next time dummy!!!), flat not radiused so when it is radiused it will lose most of the gouges. Little over a quarter inch thick as is. It has 25 lines and will require some work but can be made into a nice fretless board.
15)   Gibson hard shell case (brand spanking new, fits the 59 EBO/LP Junior Mahog body I was wanting to build like a glove) couple of small scratches on the back, NO gouges!
16)   Extra cheap set of chrome Epiphone bass tuners off my Epi EBO, used but nice, no screws. I replaced them with new set of SGRI Grover tuners off a Gibby and have these left. I didn’t replace the ferrules so the ferrules are Gibby. They fit!
17)   Somewhere in one of these boxes I have a set of string through bass body ferrules, new never used. Cannot remember if they are black or chrome but they are there!
18)   Two small bags of stuff like old capacitors, new PIO caps, Black Cat, Sprague … enough to do a couple of basses. Ratings on these vary, but some are old Fender (NOS) caps, others are surplus Russian military caps. Probably 50 or so caps total. I am too lazy to count or list each value. A few orange drop caps.
19)   One new never been used Varitone with selector plate and knob, 6 position from HAS Sound. Plate has numbers 1 through 5 on it, 6th position is unmarked and is a bypass position.
20)   One custom SG body, Lacewood and Mahogany. Fitted but not final fitted to a NOS Gibby 34” scale neck from GreatDealz on wishbay. This is a beautiful body and the neck is fitted tightly but needs set (depth wise or thinner) into the body more to narrow and make the upper fret access better. I gave 200$ for this body alone and it is beautifully made.
21)   One NOS Triumph Gibby neck, long peghead, laminated Maple to match with the Lacewood or use on another body. 34” scale.
22)   One Ebony MOP inset pickguard. Has a small wood grain ouchy but can be shortened and look right or glued and sanded and used as is. Nice inlay! I was going to sand the backside flat and lay it in the Maho body for the 59 EBO project.
23)   Ebony head plates or wood big enough to make some ebony pick guards or control plate covers, 2 pieces little less than a quarter inch thick, about 4” by 6 or 7” each piece.
24)   Small piece of highly figured white Maple veneer. Enough to do a head plate Nice! Approx .040 thick.
25)   Set of two matching set screw type Ebony knobs with brass inserts where they go onto the pot shaft. Nice! Fit ¼” shaft.
26)   One chassis for a two power tube amp, with face plate, back plate, new never been soldered on, drilled for transformer mounts, holes for tube mounts, ready to start on, with schematic for a 50 watt head bassed on a 59 Bassman schemo with two different plans for the preamp section and the template layout for the turret board layout.
27)   50 watt power transformer, condition unknown but not leaking. Taken from an old 50 watt Heathkit tube amp. Not original to the Heathkit. Good wires. Spec sheet on this one. Wiring key on original decal on transformer.
28)   Old output transformer value not known, taken from the same amp, not original Heathkit item. Not leaking but condition unknown. Good wires, no spec sheet. No decal just an unknown number silk screened on the OT. I would guess about a 30-40 watt OT.
29)   One studio amp. 30 watt. It is in an old Vox Berkeley 2 (solid state) head case (think slant sided Beatle amp look a like!). The guts are a 30 watt Peavey classic that has had the reverb taken out. It takes four 6BQ5’s and three 12AX7’s. The tolex on the case needs re-glued and needs some new corners that are available from North Coast Music. There are no major tears in the tolex but it is coming unglued in spots. All the original top vents are there and unbroken and the original handle is intact. This amp sounds sweet but has been transported by my daughter and has been in storage a long time. I know it needs re-tubed and the bias reset. The grill cloth needs re-stretched and glued but it is not torn and has the original face plate on it. I gigged a bit through a P.A. and did some studio work with it, but it is more of a guitar amp rather than a bass amp. The tone is to die for and I got remarks about how cool it looks whenever I took it out. This has MOJO major and is the reason I never restored the appearance because it is so cool. I would have it checked out and re-tubed at my local amp guru before plugging it in. It still has the original Vox serial number in it.
30)   Hand guard/rest repop stainless for a mid sixties EBO.
31)   Hand guard/rest for a three point bridge, one in stainless one brass plated ready for chroming
32)   Hand guard/rest for a steel guitar in chrome, maybe an original
Gibby item, unknown to me. I think it is chrome plated.

I will include links for pictures of all these things. The albums listed on the left of this link will show you what is available. Just pick the album you want to look at and feel free to browse.

http://s170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/cathousemouse/

password is bassplayer

The price for the whole lot is one grand. 1000$ USD.

get together with others and i will keep a record in my inbox who gets hold of me. then maybe you can get together and do the deal. the amp is in storage away from here but i can get it. i have all the other parts here. the cost is not cheap nor is it expensive. but is obatianable with a little cooperation between you players for what you may want. i am in no hurry to list this on ebay.

bill
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: uwe on April 10, 2009, 11:07:20 AM: What's wrong with playing bass sitting down or using a stand like people use when they switch quickly from acoustic to electric on stage?
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Highlander on April 13, 2009, 04:11:44 PM: Nice list... no money here...

What is more important is your health and I can only wish you better days, Bill...
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: sniper on April 13, 2009, 08:20:30 PM: thanks, maybe i will put it on consignment at the local music/repair guys shop.

i went to dallas last month and bought a marine engine for the rod (rare and better flowing head casting for a 6 cyl inline), a top grade block casting and a forged steel crank instead of a cast crank with valid marine casting numbers. also located a decent 35 ford two door slantback body and a 48 frame i can modify and build old school.

i have always leaned towards the unusual a bit = like gibbyized epi's, indian instead of harley, 6 cyl's instead of v-8's.

recently stole my grandson for 5 days and was playing for him in the bedroom with some rock blasting from the puter. this stuff is a blast for an old fart. i may be gimped up a bit but never count me out! i will read this daily. his mother called today and told me he seems to like guitars for some reason!

i added some stuff to the list. if you want the updated list send me a message.
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on April 14, 2009, 01:11:53 AM: Hang in there, grandpa! We're rootin' for ya.
Maybe that grandson who's gettin' interested in guitars oughta get the best of this treasure.
I'm thinkin' of the LP jr. of course. ;)
Remember too that young lads like to fill their pockets & rooms with odd stuff.
I admire the spirit of renunciation, old pup. Just holdin' on to what you reckon you need I guess, huh?
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Freuds_Cat on April 14, 2009, 01:59:09 AM: My Sympathies Bill. Good luck with it all.

Bret
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: sniper on April 14, 2009, 12:05:04 PM: Quote from: Rhythm N. Bliss on April 14, 2009, 01:11:53 AM
Hang in there, grandpa! We're rootin' for ya.
Maybe that grandson who's gettin' interested in guitars oughta get the best of this treasure.
I'm thinkin' of the LP jr. of course. ;)
Remember too that young lads like to fill their pockets & rooms with odd stuff.
I admire the spirit of renunciation, old pup. Just holdin' on to what you reckon you need I guess, huh?

ceerist! you da think i was dying or sumthin!!! it was only two years ago that the 24 year old model came over from England to spend some time with me! now, there is a little redhead from NZ that might be stopping by here (like next week)!!! and i am still serenading the neighbors on the front porch! youngen's get there lumps too! the model was in a wreck, went into a coma for a short period and broke 6 ribs and has been fighting lumps in her tata's but she is still hanging in there!

i am just turning my attention to family and hot rods. if that grandson keeps his interest, i just might build my version of a '59. might keep that old tube amp for him too! the lacewood SG and the other stuff is going though for sure. wish a couple of you guys would talk among yourselves and make me an offer so i know the stuff would be appreciated instead of going out on the evilbay! i need to buy a TIG welder! he could live without a 59 LP Junior if he had a '35 slantback rod to hum around in with a 4 bbl setup on a 250 cid split exhaust 6 cyl puttin out about 300-350 HP to down the v-8's with. little chrome, a banjo rear end and some wide whites with skinnies up front and my old Epi to twang on.
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Barklessdog on April 14, 2009, 01:48:01 PM: How much do you want for the dog?
Title: Re: What exotic or unusual Gibson trinkets are you hiding...?
Post by: Highlander on April 14, 2009, 05:39:46 PM: Ma, he's loose agin, an fer pittee's sake don't mention ol' Yella, ah might have t' git the gun to git rid's of that darned pesky squirrel, once an' fer all...

Did my shoulder scything my late father's overlong garden up on the Island - not a pleasant experience but past that now, mostly, and the archery has never quite been the same...