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Title: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 08, 2010, 08:18:22 AM
"When Parker and the freighter's captain (Stanley Fields) get into a fight because the drunken captain abused M'ling (Tetsu Komai), a terribly ugly servant, the captain tosses him overboard into Montgomery (Arthur Hohl) and Moreau's boat and hauls up the ladder. As the animals are being unloaded, Moreau tells Montgomery that he intends to take Lota (Kathleen Burke) to Parker, which surprises Montgomery greatly. Parker eats dinner, and then retires to the lounge. Moreau then introduces him to Lota, a beautiful and kind girl, who seems simple. They talk for a little while, and Lota talks to Parker in a very kind and tender way. Suddenly, the two hear screams coming from a locked room. Lota calls it the House Of Pain, and when Parker enters, he sees a horrible monster being given surgery by Montgomery and Moreau without any anasthetic. Convinced that Moreau is brainwashing and torturing people for fun, and that 'he's next', Parker tries to leave the house where he has been staying, and for the first time runs into the animal-men. Saved from them by Moreau and his assistants, Parker observes the island's strange social structure. Moreau cracks a whip and orders an animal-man known as the Sayer of the Law (Bela Lugosi) to repeat the rule against violence. Once that happens, the animal-men return to the jungle."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gL3P377BQA&feature=player_embedded

Ze wild creature before:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DCP_0923.jpg)

And after its "treatment" at Dr. Mathias Schindehütte's House of Pain:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00214-20100708-1734.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00215-20100708-1734.jpg)





Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!)
Post by: Iome on July 08, 2010, 08:52:06 AM
You burned it?
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!)
Post by: uwe on July 08, 2010, 09:02:46 AM
 :mrgreen:

Not quite!!! (Man, how I knew appreciation for pimpy boutique tops would be hard to generate here!  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00218-20100708-1806.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00216-20100708-1758.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00217-20100708-1806.jpg)

It received a spalted maple top (not veneer), gold TB Plus Chrome pups, Hipshot micro tuners and a Hipshot Supertone bridge.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!)
Post by: TBird1958 on July 08, 2010, 09:08:37 AM


 I can deal with it pretty well except for the Supertone, I've yet to see applied to bass that it worked on aesthetically. On 'Birds it hangs over the center block ugh........It's curvy shape doesn't play well with the Explorer's "moderne" style either. It needs a nice Goldie 3 point Herr Moderator. just my .02 tho.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!)
Post by: exiledarchangel on July 08, 2010, 09:11:12 AM
You must REALLY love that bridge to install it in a bass that didn't have a 3-point! :D
Spalted top with gold hardware is kinda... mature for me, I'm only 31 (my mind has stuck on 16 or less thru), but I love Explorers! So thumbs up!
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!)
Post by: uwe on July 08, 2010, 09:12:01 AM
" I can deal with it pretty well ..."

"You must REALLY love that bridge ..."






You heathens!!!!   ;D The ghost of Dave W. lurks everywhere here.


Won't at least one person step up and sincerely lie how much he likes it?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!)
Post by: Nocturnal on July 08, 2010, 09:16:27 AM
Spalted isn't really my favorite look, but I think this turned out pretty cool (And I don't even like gold hardware at all). I give it a big thumbs up! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: uwe on July 08, 2010, 09:19:13 AM
Andy, have I ever told you what a handsome chap you are and fine player to boot?  :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: Pilgrim on July 08, 2010, 09:21:51 AM
I agree...very cool look, and I'm not a gold hardware fan either...or generally a fan of spalted tops.  I often find them self-indulgent and overdone, but for some reason this works for me.   8)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: uwe on July 08, 2010, 09:21:58 AM
I stand undefeated and unrepentant. My next project will see my Gibson V vamped up and receive an Eddie van Halen red/white/stripey fin!!! No joke, it's already at the luthier in the exquisite hands of Herr Schindehütte!!!
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: TBird1958 on July 08, 2010, 09:25:52 AM


   "You heathens!!!!  "



 You rang? 

Again I like it! (gold hardware and all) Just *that* bridge.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: exiledarchangel on July 08, 2010, 09:26:38 AM
Don't get me wrong, I like the Wal-ish look of the supertone, but I don't understand why did you use that and not a "normal" hipshot. Explorers rock, even spalted ones.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: Highlander on July 08, 2010, 09:40:29 AM
I would be happy to Kennify something for you, my Lord... :vader:

(do I smell sulphur...?)

This is probably bad news for your approval aspirations, Uwe, but she get's my nod of approval... definitely a gold fan... definitely a spalted timber fan... You need a nice sunset shot with the sun behind you to show her off in all her glory... 8)

Just one caveat... couldn't this be considered fin-ist...? definitely now a boutique fin, so how will you be able to warrant another...

Actually, two... gotta agree with Mark... the bridge just does not go with the angular design... see if you can get someone to kraft an angular design - no curves...

Oh yeah, and commiserations from the Scot's - Holland Vs Spain...
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: OldManC on July 08, 2010, 10:03:14 AM
Let me say without any irony or joking that I really like it. I'm not a fan of gold hardware at all yet it looks beautifully in place on that bass. You took a wallflower and turned her into a prom queen (Supertone and all)! She looks like the custom shop beauty she (now) is.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: godofthunder on July 08, 2010, 10:03:25 AM
That came out beautiful !
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: Nocturnal on July 08, 2010, 10:45:25 AM
Andy, have I ever told you what a handsome chap you are and fine player to boot?  :-* :-* :-* :-*

Why thank you, Uwe! You are too kind.

I probably would have used an ABM type bridge (like I'm installing on my GothBird rehab) on this, but I really like the Supertone bridge on my Gibson Bird. At the same time, the Supertone doesn't seem out of place on this one either. I think that this was a great concept and really makes it a special bass.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: ramone57 on July 08, 2010, 10:48:40 AM
stunning, Uwe!  one of the nicest spalted top I've seen.  I'm not really a fan of gold hardware but it looks good on that bass.
your luthier does very nice work!
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: gearHed289 on July 08, 2010, 11:57:07 AM
Hmm... Maybe I just shouldn't say anything at all???  ;)

Spalted is just not my thing. Gold hardware.... in rare instances. The bridge is cool!

I had a dream last night that I was playing an Explorer bass - fretless, with black tape-wound strings. I think it was a Hamer with one of those tiger striped tops/cherry burst/cream binding....  ;D
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: uwe on July 08, 2010, 11:57:18 AM
Thanks for all the praise, heart-felt improvement recommendations and general discussion. I knew this bass would prove divisive. As one of my (female) collegues here said when she saw it: "It's a porn bass now!"

I wanted a weighty bridge on that Explorer after the flimsy thing it had on initially (very Fenderish .... brrrr ...), perhaps I overdid it with the Supertone! I very much understand the angular argument, just didn't think of it ... I als had a gold Schaller "monster" bridge (as angular as it gets, the ones to replace the old bar bridges with the slip-in-stringholder and all), but thought that would mount too high (it would have, even the Supertone needed some filing to get low enough).

This bass always sounded great (with the TB Plus pups, the original Epi pups were good, but not yet great), it just didn't look it. I wanted to go totally overboard with a boutique/Alembic/Wal/JAE-in-the-late-seventies look, I guess Herr Schindehütte succeeded.  :-[ :-[ :-[

Now all I need is some damning, faint praise from Dave!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: exiledarchangel on July 08, 2010, 01:31:16 PM
So Dave W. = Dave Warning. Cool, now I got that.  ;D
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Barklessdog on July 08, 2010, 02:20:08 PM
It looks very nice if thats your thing.

Spalted maple is diseased wood as you already know. Cancer can be pretty, I get it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spalting

Quote
Spalting is any form of wood coloration caused by fungi. Although primarily found in dead trees, spalting can also occur under stressed tree conditions or even in living trees. Although spalting can cause weight loss and strength loss in the wood, the unique coloration and patterns of spalted wood are sought after by woodworkers


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/misc/hairy-nascar-fan.jpg)

Maybe a shaved hairy back bass is in your future?

I always wondered why you never aquired an Alembic series II or II ?



Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: TBird1958 on July 08, 2010, 02:25:34 PM


 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is that his I.Q.? Sperm count? active brain cells............. ;)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Lightyear on July 08, 2010, 03:20:59 PM

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is that his I.Q.? Sperm count? active brain cells............. ;)

Now Mark!  Don't you know how difficult it is to make a bunch of left turns ;)

And the bass is beautiful, just not my cup of tea.  I do have the urge to open up a fine white wine and perhaps some premium caviar after seeing these pictures though :P  
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Pilgrim on July 08, 2010, 03:43:10 PM
And the bass is beautiful, just not my cup of tea.  I do have the urge to open up a fine white wine and perhaps some premium caviar after seeing these pictures though :P  

Funny - I'm headed home for some Cougar Gold or Cougar Smoky Cheddar cheese.....Mark can tell you that when you have those, drugs are for the poor people!  Maybe I should have wine instead of beer with it...

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/CougarGold.jpg)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: clankenstein on July 08, 2010, 03:53:42 PM
i like it....what does it sound like now?
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 08, 2010, 04:40:56 PM
Not much different, the maple top, fungus or not, might give it some added attack, the phatter bridge some added sustain. But if truth be told that bass sounded good from day one. The limba soft wood it is made out of is dent-prone as hell, but so resonant that even my luthier was impressed. He finished it poly rather than nitro to make it a bit harder on the surface. The Epi off the rack, even with Epi pups, puts the eighties Explorers of Gibson to shame as regards authority, sustain and attack. No comparison. Equipped with TB Plus pups it becomes snarlier and more focused, think of a Ric with the warm fullness of a TBird. Recommended even without silly fungus wood and pimp hardware!
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Lightyear on July 08, 2010, 06:07:01 PM
Funny - I'm headed home for some Cougar Gold or Cougar Smoky Cheddar cheese.....Mark can tell you that when you have those, drugs are for the poor people!  Maybe I should have wine instead of beer with it...

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/CougarGold.jpg)

DAMN!!  :o  A thirty ounce can of cheese!!  How many cans of Cheezwiz can-O-spraycheese does that equal!? ;D  And how many boxes of Ritz crackers do you need to finish it off ;)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: TBird1958 on July 08, 2010, 06:27:03 PM


 I will vouch for the cheese!


It's very good  ;D
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: clankenstein on July 08, 2010, 09:33:24 PM
Quote
think of a Ric with the warm fullness of a TBird.
very nice indeed.thats my kind of sound!
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Dave W on July 08, 2010, 09:44:31 PM
Not bad for diseased wood.

How was that?  :mrgreen:


Uwe: Blatantly over-enthusiastic I'd say!!!
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Freuds_Cat on July 08, 2010, 10:14:35 PM
/me is speechless  :o
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 09, 2010, 03:14:57 AM
More fungus porn:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00226-20100709-1204.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00225-20100709-1203.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00224-20100709-1202.jpg)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: uwe on July 09, 2010, 03:25:40 AM
Let me say without any irony or joking that I really like it. I'm not a fan of gold hardware at all yet it looks beautifully in place on that bass. You took a wallflower and turned her into a prom queen (Supertone and all)! She looks like the custom shop beauty she (now) is.

Where can I sign up to join the Republicans? Danke, George!  :-*
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: exiledarchangel on July 09, 2010, 04:44:12 AM
Pickup positions are original? Seems that bridge pup is closer to bridge than a non-fungus epi explorer.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 09, 2010, 05:22:22 AM
Same pos. The Epi Explorers come stock with pleasantly "frontal" positioned neck and bridge (actually: more middle) pups.That is another one of their advantages over the Gibson 80ies Explorers which had unfortunate pup positions among other things.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Dr. Aquafresh on July 09, 2010, 05:29:41 AM
I love the upgrades to this bass, it's Big Pimpin.

Any information on the process?

Was the neck removed and then re-attached in the House of Pain?

I have been kicking around the idea of a new project... what's next?

Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 09, 2010, 05:45:22 AM
Mathias is on vacation now, but I do not think he removed the neck because he complained that fitting and book-matching the spalt maple (which breaks quickly) top was hard work on a non-bolt-on. He took off a little of the original Epi limba to make room, the spalt maple is about 1/4" thick.

There was nothing wrong with the Epi hardware except that it looked horribly cheap, both in structure and the reddish gold. That is why I added the Hipshot stuff. Putting in the gold TB Plus and replacing the prior soapbar TB Plus was cosmetic too, it's the same pup after all though the metal cover ones sound a bit sharper and more aggressive. They were off an LP Doublecut Bass by the way (left overs after the line was deleted) and are identical with what you have in LP Standards in chrome. 

I always wanted a long scale Explorer that looked and sounded the part. The one that Gibson for reasons of their own failed to ever make. Something Spyderish a la JAE. It wouldn't have made sense with a Gibson Explorer whose medium scale is a major letdown and whose maho body/maple neck combination is bland and has none of the warm, lively fuzzy resonance of the Epi models with their soft "wonder wood".

Uwe
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: gearHed289 on July 09, 2010, 09:20:41 AM
I like the pup positioning. Very Ric like. I like having one right against the neck, and one somewhere between "bridge" and "middle" for lack of a better term. Looks like the bridge saddles are pulled WAY back to intonate.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: OldManC on July 09, 2010, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: OldManC
Let me say without any irony or joking that I really like it. I'm not a fan of gold hardware at all yet it looks beautifully in place on that bass. You took a wallflower and turned her into a prom queen (Supertone and all)! She looks like the custom shop beauty she (now) is.

Where can I sign up to join the Republicans? Danke, George!  :-*

See, Uwe, we Republicans are mostly victims of bad press. We aren't adverse to or even afraid of 'change', we simply prefer it to be practical, well thought out, and an improvement over what was previously there. while it is also quite fanciful, your project fit all my other Republican requirements.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 09, 2010, 09:53:27 AM
I like the pup positioning. Very Ric like. I like having one right against the neck, and one somewhere between "bridge" and "middle" for lack of a better term. Looks like the bridge saddles are pulled WAY back to intonate.

That Supertone is the exact opposite to the old TBird bridges: It has way more range than you could ever need on any bass. The saddles are now about 2/3rds back, astoundingly enough all of them in the same position which just looks "wrong" to me, but what can you do if that is the way they intonate? :mrgreen: Very German, alles ordentlich.  :vader: :vader: :vader:
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: chromium on July 09, 2010, 09:54:16 AM
Its the Ex-spore-er!   :rimshot:

I like it.  I don't consider myself a boutique bass guy, but I've always been attracted to Alembic's take on the Explorer - and visually, that's what this reminds me of a bit.

Just try to avoid any bad trips when licking the top.   :o

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/FearAndLoathing004.jpg)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!!
Post by: uwe on July 09, 2010, 09:54:40 AM
See, Uwe, we Republicans are mostly victims of bad press. We aren't adverse to or even afraid of 'change', we simply prefer it to be practical, well thought out, and an improvement over what was previously there. while it is also quite fanciful, your project fit all my other Republican requirements.  :mrgreen:


I always wondered what "compassionate conservativism" was about. Now I know!  :)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 09, 2010, 09:56:46 AM
Its the Ex-spore-er!   :rimshot:

I like it.  I don't consider myself a boutique bass guy, but I've always been attracted to Alembic's take on the Explorer - and visually, that's what this reminds me of a bit.

Just try to avoid any bad trips when licking the top.   :o

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/FearAndLoathing004.jpg)

f***ing brilliant! Exsporer!!!  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

A bass to really rot out with.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: TBird1958 on July 09, 2010, 10:03:00 AM
 Soooo............

The inevitable question arises.

What does the well dressed Moderator wear while playing the Fungus Explorer?



Snakeskin assless chaps.........

Camo Spandex......... :o


Uwe's reply: Zis here, whizz ze orange loincloth being of optional nature:

(http://cghub.com/files/Image/001001-002000/1014/339_realsize.jpg)



Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: chromium on July 09, 2010, 10:04:58 AM
do you need to use any special cortisone polish on it?


Uwe:  Cortisone? No, this here:

(https://www.rxprohub.com/images/P/Clotrimazole-Cream-Anti-Fungal-Cream-.jpg)

As always, most effective if lovingly applied by both partners. Vice versa, medicine treatment can be fun.

Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Barklessdog on July 09, 2010, 11:04:42 AM
Found the correct suit-

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/misc/Floweratchelmford.jpg)

Uwe has always been a Fun Guy
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 09, 2010, 11:14:49 AM
Bit Bootsy Collins don't you think?
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Dave W on July 09, 2010, 11:43:20 AM
Seriously, you need to wear more than a simple dust mask when working with this stuff.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 09, 2010, 12:00:54 PM
But wenge wood must be even more detrimental to health. That would have been an alternative to the spalted maple top (I thought) but Mathias said he didn't like to work with it because it was "poisonous".
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Highlander on July 09, 2010, 12:06:39 PM
The dust can cause an effect similar to poison-ivy, so I've heard... so eye/skin protection important if worked with - not so uncommon on instruments, you just need to be stringent with dust removal, so not for the amateur luthier...
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Dave W on July 09, 2010, 12:20:30 PM
But wenge wood must be even more detrimental to health. That would have been an alternative to the spalted maple top (I thought) but Mathias said he didn't like to work with it because it was "poisonous".

Wenge isn't poisonous but it can cause severe sensitivity reactions if you're one of the unlucky ones who develop a sensitivity to it. And once you develop it, that's it, it will happen every time you use it.

Spalted woods release bacteria and spores that have been known to cause fatal reactions.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Dr. Aquafresh on July 09, 2010, 06:42:10 PM
Didn't remove the neck... well that to me says milling machine. Maybe I should try and figure out how your "Aryan Super Luthier" did it, seeing as how I have a Bridgeport at work and way too much free time.

Damnit!

I should have never gotten rid of that Epi Explorer.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: drbassman on July 09, 2010, 07:38:45 PM
I spring to your defense, Uwe!  I love the wood and the bridge, so there you guys!  Form follows function when it comes to bridges, so the Supertone has a lot to recommend it!  Anyway, I love what you did with it Uwe.  Nice job!

BTW, the bass below kicks ass and the bridge is an integral part of the formula!  At least it isn't a Badass.  They never made it aesthetically on a Gibson body.  There, now I feel better.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/2003%20TB%20Project/100_1934.jpg)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Highlander on July 10, 2010, 04:15:37 AM
I agree with Bill re the T'bird, but a T'bird is all sexy curves...

An explorer is as masculine as a Thunderbird body is feminine - It's really down to the eye of the beholder... Uwe is very happy with this customisation, and, when viewed as a whole, she/he/it is a work of art... 8)

Damnit!

I should have never gotten rid of that Epi Explorer.

Plenty more fish in the sea... ;)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Freuds_Cat on July 10, 2010, 07:02:40 AM
Now that I've had time to recover from the shock, I think I like it but even though I recently put one of these bridges on a Pearl Export (Epi Genesis) and was very impressed with it as far as bridges go I have to agree with Ken. Its the angles of the Explorer that seem not to go with the roundness of the bridge.  I love the look of the spalt but wonder what it would look like with the pickgaurd on it?
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Highlander on July 10, 2010, 09:35:19 AM
That would be such a waste... I've been toying with the idea of moding a guard for my PC, but it's not a Gibson, and I just feel it would be a waste, especially with the top fin... same here...
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Lightyear on July 10, 2010, 11:53:38 AM
Wenge isn't poisonous but it can cause severe sensitivity reactions if you're one of the unlucky ones who develop a sensitivity to it. And once you develop it, that's it, it will happen every time you use it.

Spalted woods release bacteria and spores that have been known to cause fatal reactions.

Here's a nice chart that I like to use - there are more complete, and complicated, available but this one is easy to use and gets the jobs done.  Looks like Spalted Maple can cause something called HP.

http://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/wood-allergies-and-toxicity/#hp

I bought a sheet of cabinet grade plywood from Lowe's this week marketed as "Blondewood" made in Ecudor of all places.  It worked great but the dust really screwed with my breathing and allergies - nothing serious but mild coughing and sneezing.  God only know what it is made of ??? But $39 for A1 plywood is a good price.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Nocturnal on July 10, 2010, 10:43:47 PM
That would be such a waste... I've been toying with the idea of moding a guard for my PC, but it's not a Gibson, and I just feel it would be a waste, especially with the top fin... same here...

I'd leave yours alone. You did a good job and it looks great as is. A pickguard would just get in the way.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Barklessdog on July 11, 2010, 03:41:50 AM
Wenge isn't poisonous but it can cause severe sensitivity reactions if you're one of the unlucky ones who develop a sensitivity to it. And once you develop it, that's it, it will happen every time you use it.

Spalted woods release bacteria and spores that have been known to cause fatal reactions.

Biological weapons, we should invade Uwes office at once!

We have a video from Uwe's office-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTmN22hduQ4
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 11, 2010, 08:38:09 AM
Why cover up expensive rotten wood with cheap sterile plastic?

That comment how an Explorer is male and a TBird feminine is interesting, I never saw it that way, but it is true. Ray Dietrich certainly had a look at Ted McCarthy's prior and commercially failed Modernistic Guitars when he - well into retirement from his auto design days -designed the TBirds and FBirds in the early sixties. And Ray Dietrich's auto designs were from another time, he wasn't a radical modernist at all, I see a lot of 30ies and 40ies in his auto design. So in a way the TBird/FBird was mellowing down   the angular jagged Explorer which was also a reverse design (Dietrich had nothing to do with the later Non Rev TBs and FBs).

TBirds certainly appeal to women, given how large a bass it is, a lot of chicks play it though it is an unlikely choice for their size. And I've alsways received compliments for my TBirds from women (both musician and non-musician) while the Explorer basses only ever generate enthusiasm from men.
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Post by: Highlander on July 11, 2010, 09:27:21 AM
A pickguard would just get in the way.

I'm with you there, Andy...

Obviously, all guitars are phalic in nature, some more than most... there is some of that mumbojumbo that was picked up in that Davinci Code book/film re the blade and chalice combined in the Star of David, and the Explorer certainly explores the blade theory...
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Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on July 11, 2010, 10:56:34 PM
I like the bass moldy goldy and all, but I think you should add an abalone block fretboard, black out the Epi logo on the headstock and tell everyone that it's a $10k+ Alembic.   :o ;D
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Post by: uwe on July 11, 2010, 11:40:24 PM
Ok, you just christened it. "Mouldy Goldy". LOL, perfect name!

I didn't want to hide the fact that this is an Epi (scarfed neck and all), rather I wanted to promote the fact what a sound basis it is for Cinderella treatment. Plus I don't want this to ever crop up on ebay with someone claiming that it was anything other than a pimped Epi.

Gibson should have done something like this long ago, an upmarket Explorer bass within the traditions of the company (i.e. maho or korina, not alder  or maple, and with not an ugly P bass style split coil in sight). That would have never been a big seller given the Explorer bass' radical shape (and the price tag the thing would have probably come with), but it would have found its devotees and quite a few name players. I think quite a few Iceman, Hamer and Dean players wouldn't have minded the real thing in their hands and an endorsement from Def Lep's Rick Savage couldn't have  hurt sales either. 
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Post by: dadagoboi on July 12, 2010, 01:57:11 AM
I'd leave yours alone. You did a good job and it looks great as is. A pickguard would just get in the way.

+1 on no pickguard...binding might have been a nice finishing touch to corral the fungus.  For me the angular explorer shape loses a little impact with the rounded over edges.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: exiledarchangel on July 12, 2010, 03:08:52 AM
One Uwe is enough for this poor forum! :P
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on July 12, 2010, 03:28:24 AM
I didn't want to hide the fact that this is an Epi (scarfed neck and all), rather I wanted to promote the fact what a sound basis it is for Cinderella treatment. Plus I don't want this to ever crop up on ebay with someone claiming that it was anything other than a pimped Epi.

Blacking out the name was just a sarcastic suggestion, but I do think the bass could benefit from some sort of fretboard exotica: binding, block inlays, etc... Epiphone generally doesn't get the respect it deserves. I remember working for a Gibson dealer ten years ago and the Epi Les Pauls were consistently FAR superior to their American cousins.

Quote
Gibson should have done something like this long ago, an upmarket Explorer bass within the traditions of the company (i.e. maho or korina, not alder  or maple, and with not an ugly P bass style split coil in sight). That would have never been a big seller given the Explorer bass' radical shape (and the price tag the thing would have probably come with), but it would have found its devotees and quite a few name players.

They'd have found a way to screw it up. Right now, the Epi T-Bird Pro is non-existent outside of catalogs and look what it has going for it.
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Post by: uwe on July 12, 2010, 04:33:53 AM
Sorry, I have no idea how that multiple posting screw up came about, I'll delete it once I'm at a desktop, can't do it via Blackberry.

I didn't think the removal of the Epi brand at the headstock was a serious proposal! I rememer back in the early days at the Pit, Epi owners would be met with derision unless they had "the right model" (sixties Rivoli, Newport or Embassy). I always thought that embarrassing and those days are luckily long gone.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Barklessdog on July 12, 2010, 04:45:00 AM
The JC did a lot to give the brand respect.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: OldManC on July 12, 2010, 07:57:46 AM
Sorry, I have no idea how that multiple posting screw up came about, I'll delete it once I'm at a desktop, can't do it via Blackberry.

Took care of that for you, Uwe.  ;)
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Post by: uwe on July 12, 2010, 10:24:41 AM
Danke, I'm stuck here in Düsseldorf with more than half the trains cancelled due to some freak storm we had today in that region.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: TBird1958 on July 12, 2010, 10:46:33 AM

 I've been stuck in the Dusseldorf too...... ;)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Iome on July 12, 2010, 11:04:37 AM
I've been stuck in the Dusseldorf too...... ;)

What can you say to that......up yours..?  ;D
Man, i love this place....not Dusseldorf, the outpost.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Pilgrim on July 12, 2010, 02:34:36 PM
I've been stuck in the Dusseldorf too...... ;)

Sounds like a Python routine.

"Well lads, now it's time for the surgeon to examine your Dusseldorfs!"
"Do we have to?"
"Yes yes, come come, it's part of the induction process.   Oh, and you need to paint zebra stripes on your bums, too."
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: TBird1958 on July 12, 2010, 03:19:21 PM
Sounds like a Python routine.

"Well lads, now it's time for the surgeon to examine your Dusseldorfs!"
"Do we have to?"
"Yes yes, come come, it's part of the induction process.   Oh, and you need to paint zebra stripes on your bums, too."


Where do I sign up  ;D
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Post by: Freuds_Cat on July 12, 2010, 09:21:02 PM
Dusseldorf?  :)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Barklessdog on July 13, 2010, 04:34:31 AM
Hogan!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/misc/colonel_klink.jpg)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Dave W on July 13, 2010, 08:06:21 AM
I've been stuck in the Dusseldorf too...... ;)

Wasn't that one of Teri Garr's lines in Young Frankenstein? Right after she rolled in ze hay?  ;)
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Post by: TBird1958 on July 13, 2010, 08:13:42 AM


 Klink!

 Ve are zennding you to ze Russian front!

General Burkhartler, let me assure you.........


 
Hogan!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/misc/colonel_klink.jpg)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Pilgrim on July 13, 2010, 09:16:15 AM
Sequel to Junk-In-A-Box:  A new Japanese game show called "Slap The Dusseldorf!"  It involves rubber paddles.

Or maybe that was a term used on the CB radio....
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 13, 2010, 02:30:34 PM
I never thought that the mere combination of the name of a tiny River named Düssel and the German word for village (Dorf) would incite so much unadulterated amusement here!!!
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Barklessdog on July 13, 2010, 02:42:42 PM
Speaking of Dorf....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtR2kGBHEW8&feature=related

I remember as a kid Hogan's Heroes alway talking about Dusseldorf.
Title: More Porn ...
Post by: uwe on July 15, 2010, 06:05:38 AM
Edith's digital camera is much better than my Blackberry thing:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSCF0477.jpg)

The dreaded bridge:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSCF0479.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSCF0482.jpg)

The beauty of decay:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSCF0478.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSCF0481.jpg)

The Hipshot tuners:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSCF0483.jpg)


Mathias painted the back in a nice grey-brownish-blackish translucent fin that still lets you detect some of the texture of the limba soft wood used by Epi:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSCF0485.jpg)


Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: exiledarchangel on July 15, 2010, 06:30:24 AM
Very nice photos herr moderator! But I think you should put golden pickup rings and 3-way tip, or maybe black (to go with the big screws of the bridge). Those cream ones look kinda out of place.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 15, 2010, 06:48:49 AM
I've thought about black actually, because the fungus is black too.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Freuds_Cat on July 15, 2010, 07:30:07 AM
I think black would tie in well with the headstock and the bridge bolts.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 15, 2010, 08:02:42 AM
Enough!!!!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00229-20100715-1644.jpg)


First guy who says "perhaps the cream surround did look better after all ..." takes ze next train to ze Russian front.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Dave W on July 15, 2010, 08:25:08 AM
I have to admit, the hardware and wood colors work well together.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Highlander on July 15, 2010, 08:35:31 AM
Err... ze switch, mein Fuhrer...

(where did I leave my learn Russian in a day book... ;D)

So bizarre, seeing all those saddles in a line, but as they say, if it ain't broke...
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: TBird1958 on July 15, 2010, 08:37:08 AM
Enough!!!!!

 First guy who says "perhaps the cream surround did look better after all ..." takes ze next train to ze Dusseldorf front.


 Looks good Herr Moderator 'cept *that* bridge.  ;)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 15, 2010, 09:09:20 AM
"ze Dusseldorf front"


 :mrgreen:

... was one of the better places to be in spring 1945, resistance groups negotiated a truce behind the back of the Nazis with the US Forces surrounding the city, a final bombing raid was thus averted and the city gave up on April 17, 1945 without a fight, igonoring Nazi evacuation and scorched earth orders:

(http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/2wk/b/1943-06-bis-1945-04-17-Duesseldorf-uebergabe-d/009-ami-panzer-einmarsch-17-april1945.jpg)

Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: gearHed289 on July 15, 2010, 09:14:19 AM
It's starting to grow on me. Fungus tends to do that.  8)

PS - black pup rings = good!
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 15, 2010, 10:32:28 AM
My son, ever his supportive and uncritical self, commented dryly: "Dad, you've turned it into a Warwick now. If that makes you happy ..."
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Post by: Grog on July 15, 2010, 11:42:39 AM
Sweet!! Does the fungus show up better with blacklight? Does it glow in the dark?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 15, 2010, 11:55:50 AM
I haven't tried that yet!  8)

Three more (and then I'll promise to spare you the sight henceforth!):

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSCF0488.jpg)
(For the inquisitive that is a defretted Fender P 80ies RI, a Status Shark, a Framus Sorrento, a Wal Mk I, a Hoyer Eagle, a Bongo and a Gould Rebel in the backtround left to right.)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSCF0490.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSCF0491.jpg)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 15, 2010, 12:30:12 PM
I have to admit, the hardware and wood colors work well together.

Dave is not well at all.  :-\  :o
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Barklessdog on July 15, 2010, 12:31:12 PM
My son, ever his supportive and uncritical self, commented dryly: "Dad, you've turned it into a Warwick now. If that makes you happy ..."

Smart kid, glad that your kids keep things real. Oh by the way we have Dave to thank for my dislike of lung cancer woods & spalted burled curlies.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Barklessdog on July 15, 2010, 12:40:04 PM
Dave is not well at all.  :-\  :o

Dave is right.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: chromium on July 15, 2010, 01:53:09 PM
I was repairing an old keyboard the other evening, and as coincidence would have it I found this interesting bit of etching when I pulled the circuit board:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/synth/DSCF0001.jpg)


Its rather odd in that it doesn't support the branding in any way.  Figured it must have something to do with all of this talk of fungi - its now proliferating over the internets!!   :o (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/smilies/tinfoil.gif)



At any rate, nice photos.  Kinda digging that Hoyer!
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Grog on July 15, 2010, 02:22:06 PM
This may be the brightest idea since "Smart Wood"!
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v8/n185/abs/008046c0.html
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: birdie on July 15, 2010, 06:06:07 PM
The black actually made me like it. Good call!
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Dave W on July 15, 2010, 07:28:54 PM
Dave is not well at all.  :-\  :o

I still don't like diseased woods. No change there, don't worry. I just meant that the colors do complement each other. At least until the fungus spreads and starts eating the hardware.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Freuds_Cat on July 15, 2010, 08:49:15 PM
Enough!!!!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00229-20100715-1644.jpg)


First guy who says "perhaps the cream surround did look better after all ..." takes ze next train to ze Russian front.

Hey! black toggle please?
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: uwe on July 16, 2010, 02:52:25 AM
Arrrrrrgh - I simply knew that a smart-Aussie comment like that was coming!!!
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Freuds_Cat on July 16, 2010, 03:24:26 AM
we are more sensitive to opposites than most  :P ;D
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: gearHed289 on July 16, 2010, 10:14:43 AM
I found a guitar for ya!

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/4/7/645747.jpg)

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-FX360-Electric-Guitar?sku=584489 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-FX360-Electric-Guitar?sku=584489)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Dave W on July 16, 2010, 10:34:26 PM
I found a guitar for ya!

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/4/7/645747.jpg)

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-FX360-Electric-Guitar?sku=584489 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-FX360-Electric-Guitar?sku=584489)

MF's blurb calls spalted maple a tonewood. That's quite a stretch.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Highlander on July 17, 2010, 01:28:42 AM
Hmm... so if I read the back story to this thread correctly, spalted timber is the luthierian equivalent of Icelandic shark meat, or Japanese puffer fish... as long as it is treated with respect, the pleasure of the person eating it is enhanced by the known risk they are taking...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGv2QxmaRI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbYqznD0R5M

Each to their own... ;)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: gearHed289 on July 17, 2010, 08:42:37 AM
"Can I get a #1 with a Coke please?"
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Lightyear on July 17, 2010, 09:22:43 AM
Hmm... so if I read the back story to this thread correctly, spalted timber is the luthierian equivalent of Icelandic shark meat, or Japanese puffer fish... as long as it is treated with respect, the pleasure of the person eating it is enhanced by the known risk they are taking...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGv2QxmaRI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbYqznD0R5M

Each to their own... ;)

C'mon Kenny - meat is your friend - it doesn't want to hurt you!  ;D
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Highlander on July 17, 2010, 01:31:46 PM
There are some seriously dangerous vegetables out there, too... have you ever eaten a seriously hot aubergine curry...?

Just don't work near a naked flame the next day... :o
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Dave W on July 17, 2010, 09:19:01 PM
There are some seriously dangerous vegetables out there, too...

Reminds me of a former coworker who ate a jalapeño and then went to the bathroom without washing his hands first. Amazing how far his screams carried.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: exiledarchangel on July 18, 2010, 04:12:42 AM
Hot stuff! I like hot peppers but I always remember to wash my hands.
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Post by: Highlander on July 18, 2010, 06:13:21 AM
I guess this is quite apt for the name of this thread...

Chilli Curry - I'm happy to supply the recipe for those man enough (daft enough, more like) to risk it...

(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/US/20050312chilliprepprecautions3.jpg)

(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/US/20050312chillicook4.jpg)

I was mucking about for the top picture (safety glasses, etc) - it's much easier (and safer) to use scissors and never to touch the contents... the second pic show the onion, chillis, and paste, prior to reduction... this leaves you with a seriously warm but pleasantly feeling gut... not for novices or those with known gut issues and a SERIOUS-NO-NO for those with ulcers...

I've used Dorset Naga's for the heat but found them to be over-rated - scotch-bonnets have a better flavour; mostly I prefer Jalepenos with green or red birds-eye chillis (ratio of about 5 to 1) with red onions and spices...

On a serious note - if you don't know what to expect, don't even think it - I've been eating seriously hot food for over 35 years now and know the old adage...

What burns on the way in, burns on the way out...

Even cooking this amount of chillis can be detrimental to your eyes and nose-lining...

A cure for burning is dairy products (ideally natural yoghurt or soya milk works too) and don't be stupid enough to think that lost of cold drink will help - this only helps to disolve the acid and spread it further (making it worse) whereas "milk" emulsifies the acid and reduces the effect...

Oh yeah, and Dave, my Devon buddy did that the night these shots were taken, but was man-enough not to scream (didn't stop me laughing my head off, though ;D ;D ;D) more a zipper-catches-skin - Jackie took the pic of me chopping - she doesn't do chilli so it's all my own work... :vader:
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: TBird1958 on July 18, 2010, 08:19:22 AM


 Kenny that looks pretty good!







Have you thought about refinning your P.C. Thunderbird like your shirt?   ;)
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Post by: Stjofön Big on July 18, 2010, 09:02:15 AM
Hi folks!  :mrgreen: This is the way we make Chili up in the north! We call it Gibson chili! Sometimes we even call the day after the chili The Thunderbird day. Can you imagine!

2 dried ancho-peppers
1 chipotle pepper
1 birdseye-pepper
1 jalapeno-pepper
olive oil
10, at least, pieces of garlic, chopped quite rough
2 kilos of meat
About 200 centiliters of light beer
a handfull of flour
1/2 coffeecup of chili powder
1 coffeecup dark meat broth
1 spoonfull cummin
1 spoonfull of oregano
1 spoon of grinded coriander seed
1 teaspoon of sugar
salt
(masa harina)

Start with the pepper. Use rubber gloves. Take away all except the fruit walls. Put it in some water, cook for about 15 minutes under lid. Let the pepper get cool.
Fry the garlic, soft, until it's light brown. Put it in a big pot on the stove.
Cut the meat in one centimeter big pieces. Fry the pieces until they're brown all around. Put the meat in the big pot with the garlic. Stir.
Mix the flour and the chilipowder, sprinkle it over the contents in the pot.
Strain off the pepper water. Mash the pepper, put it in the pot. Mix with the meat and the garlic.
Pour the pepper water, the meat broth and the light beer in the pot until it covers the meat. Let it boil! But just for a while. Turn down the heat so the pot just simmer.
Add the cummin, oregano and choriander. Stir often, so the meat don't get burnt. Let the pot cook until the meat starts to fall into smaller pieces. It might take a couple of hours, but no more then 3 hours.
Serve with corn chips, cheese, guacamole, maybe some lettuce, and beer or wine. And, of course, tequila. En masse!

Just one thing. Do not forget about the rubber gloves when taking care of the different peppers. Otherwise you might as well use a soldering iron if you stop to pick your nose.

This version of the chili is, of course, a softer Swedish one. I guess there's lots of Gibon-related recepies out there, and really hope we can get them alive here, in this very forum!
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Post by: Hornisse on July 18, 2010, 09:41:21 AM
You guys are making me hungry!  Those are some serious peppers there Kenny.  I once (when I was much younger) bet a guy I could eat a Thai Pepper at a restaurant.  I would have been fine if it hadn't squirted the back of my throat when I chewed on it.  The waiter (who was Thai) just smiled.
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Lightyear on July 18, 2010, 09:42:50 AM

 Kenny that looks pretty good!







Have you thought about refinning your P.C. Thunderbird like your shirt?   ;)

What about to match the curry!? :P

I love hot food, growing up here in Texas I cut my teeth on it but, I'm really am not into erroding my stomach lining in pain and agony - let alone the flambe'd butt ;D
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Post by: TBird1958 on July 18, 2010, 09:58:37 AM


 Ahhh........


 Nuthin' like a flamey "O" ring the next day to remind you of a good meal  ;D
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Lightyear on July 18, 2010, 11:43:50 AM
Yeah, but do they make a cream that contains dairy for that ;D
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: chromium on July 18, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Nice, Ken!  That's what I'm talkin' about (looking at the pile of chillies).  I routinely pepper-gas my family while cooking, and they hate me for it   ;D

Love the Thai chillies too.  No meal complete without prik nam pla...

(http://images.travelpod.com/users/tonyandmarina/the_tour.1218865320.prik-nam-plax-want-the-recepie-x.jpg)
Title: Re: Back from ze House of Pain ... (Dave Warning: Spalted Maple Content!!)
Post by: Lightyear on July 18, 2010, 11:57:06 AM
Hi folks!  :mrgreen: This is the way we make Chili up in the north! We call it Gibson chili! Sometimes we even call the day after the chili The Thunderbird day. Can you imagine!

2 dried ancho-peppers
1 chipotle pepper
1 birdseye-pepper
1 jalapeno-pepper
olive oil
10, at least, pieces of garlic, chopped quite rough
2 kilos of meat
About 200 centiliters of light beer
a handfull of flour
1/2 coffeecup of chili powder
1 coffeecup dark meat broth
1 spoonfull cummin
1 spoonfull of oregano
1 spoon of grinded coriander seed
1 teaspoon of sugar
salt
(masa harina)

Start with the pepper. Use rubber gloves. Take away all except the fruit walls. Put it in some water, cook for about 15 minutes under lid. Let the pepper get cool.
Fry the garlic, soft, until it's light brown. Put it in a big pot on the stove.
Cut the meat in one centimeter big pieces. Fry the pieces until they're brown all around. Put the meat in the big pot with the garlic. Stir.
Mix the flour and the chilipowder, sprinkle it over the contents in the pot.
Strain off the pepper water. Mash the pepper, put it in the pot. Mix with the meat and the garlic.
Pour the pepper water, the meat broth and the light beer in the pot until it covers the meat. Let it boil! But just for a while. Turn down the heat so the pot just simmer.
Add the cummin, oregano and choriander. Stir often, so the meat don't get burnt. Let the pot cook until the meat starts to fall into smaller pieces. It might take a couple of hours, but no more then 3 hours.
Serve with corn chips, cheese, guacamole, maybe some lettuce, and beer or wine. And, of course, tequila. En masse!

Just one thing. Do not forget about the rubber gloves when taking care of the different peppers. Otherwise you might as well use a soldering iron if you stop to pick your nose.

This version of the chili is, of course, a softer Swedish one. I guess there's lots of Gibon-related recepies out there, and really hope we can get them alive here, in this very forum!


That looks pretty good but I would make one suggestion - replace the olive oil with bacon fat - really!

The other thing that catches my attention is that you can get masa in Sweden!

One other thing, you can probably skip the flour - the masa will thicken it on it's own.
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Post by: Highlander on July 18, 2010, 11:59:31 AM
Stjofön... Thunder-bum - extra fuel for those colder northern days... ;)

Robert... I've had chefs come out of the kitchen in disbelief at the way I eat chillies... yep, I've had my share of issues and had the odd freak chilli that was just plain suicidal...

Buzz and Mark... I just finished working out the wiring I'm going to put in the PC, which I've got to finalise then I'll post up to get someone to confirm, but I am planning a very radical refin for the Hohner Jack, as a homage to the ol' Tequilabird... gotta finish what I've started first... ;)

Before our friends moved to Devon we used to have a regular night out to get a seriously hot curry known as a Phall - just veggies or meat (lamb - for my buddy), no rice, tarka dahl, Mumbai Aloo (hot-n-spicy potatoes), chapatis or nan bread, all washed down with a pint or three of Kingfisher... if it hit the spot I'd start to hiccup and my buddies lazy eye would wander off by 5 or 10 degrees...

Hot curries - the Indian Asians rarely make HOT food for theselves - it is common practice for Indians to put a bowl of chillies on the table for those who wish to live dangerously...

Joe... that definitely looks the part... :vader:

Yeah, but do they make a cream that contains dairy for that ;D

I've heard of people that use ice-cubes... ;D :o
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Post by: Stjofön Big on July 18, 2010, 02:16:08 PM
"That looks pretty go but I would make one suggestion - replace the olive oil with bacon fat - really!"
Now, that seems like a very good idea! I'll try that the next time. When I make my hamburgers, with Sambal Badjak, Soya, and garlic mixed into the minced meat, I've recently started frying bacon first of all, and then using the bacon in the burgers, and at the same time using the fat for frying. But I never thought of using the same method in the chili. Now, I will. Thanks!
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Post by: Highlander on July 18, 2010, 03:47:32 PM
That would be popular in the home-countries... would suit my Nordic blood, but for my soft-southern upbringing...

I'll stick with the olive oil and substitute certain other items... ;)
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Post by: Lightyear on July 18, 2010, 05:56:31 PM
"That looks pretty go but I would make one suggestion - replace the olive oil with bacon fat - really!"
Now, that seems like a very good idea! I'll try that the next time. When I make my hamburgers, with Sambal Badjak, Soya, and garlic mixed into the minced meat, I've recently started frying bacon first of all, and then using the bacon in the burgers, and at the same time using the fat for frying. But I never thought of using the same method in the chili. Now, I will. Thanks!


There was a semi-famous burger joint close to us here, Called Tookies, that used to grind raw bacon into their beef - usually round or chuck - about 85% lean and I think the bacon content was maybe 10% of the overall mix - you will not have a better burger - period.  It was killer in more ways than one ;)

Oh, and what is Sambal Badjak and Soya? 
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Post by: Freuds_Cat on July 18, 2010, 09:40:01 PM

Oh, and what is Sambal Badjak and Soya? 

Sambal Badjak is an Indonesian or Malaysian hot chili paste.
Soya is just normal soy sauce in this context
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Post by: Dave W on July 18, 2010, 10:46:53 PM
Oh that sure looks good Ken.

I like a simple Colorado style chili verde. Green chiles and cubed pork loin.
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Post by: Stjofön Big on July 19, 2010, 12:25:44 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention that the chili recipe above don't make the chili so hot that it's uneatable. The long cooking time takes the hottest out of the hot. Which means the end result is still quite hot, but most of all the peppers just leaves their taste to the chili. Comprende?
So now we all know how to take the hottest out of the hot. But how do we put the bomp in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp?
And further more, and this is a hard one: How do we put the ram in the rama lama ding dong?
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Post by: Freuds_Cat on July 19, 2010, 12:50:09 AM


One other thing, you can probably skip the flour - the masa will thicken it on it's own.

Or go with the okra to thicken it.


(http://www.thaitable.com/images/ingredients/pictures/5Okra.jpg)
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Post by: Barklessdog on July 19, 2010, 04:28:58 AM
Quote
What burns on the way in, burns on the way out...

I ate a  vegitarian indian resteraunt once ordered a hot curry dish- will never forget that experience.

Who else can have both ends burning with such style (love the go go dancers)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGdlpDNnC8M

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Post by: Dave W on July 19, 2010, 11:07:47 AM
John, this is for you: Mexican chimps don't like it hot (http://improbable.com/2010/07/14/some-chimps-like-it-crackers-hot/)
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Post by: Lightyear on July 19, 2010, 07:52:46 PM
Or go with the okra to thicken it.


(http://www.thaitable.com/images/ingredients/pictures/5Okra.jpg)


Now you're talking Creole or Cajun ;D  Still, okra is best prepared fried ;)
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Post by: Lightyear on July 19, 2010, 07:56:23 PM
Sambal Badjak is an Indonesian or Malaysian hot chili paste.
Soya is just normal soy sauce in this context

Thanks, I have an inlaw that was born and raised in Yugoslavia and they have premixed seasoning thing that's widely available that used to season meats - I was wondering if the the first was something similar.
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Post by: Freuds_Cat on July 19, 2010, 09:22:30 PM
I was first introduced to okra in the Brixton markets in London by a Jamaican woman who told me how and what to cook it with. I then realised that I'd already been eating it in Indian and Thai food. Haven't eaten much Cajun or Creole food. Would love to give it a go though.
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Post by: Dave W on July 19, 2010, 09:48:35 PM
I already said this in another thread but I can't say it often enough:

Okra.  :puke:   Watching the slime ooze out while it's being fried is almost as bad as the taste.
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Post by: Pilgrim on July 19, 2010, 09:50:34 PM
I spent 13 years in Texas but remained an okra-free zone.  I intend to remain that way.
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Post by: Hornisse on July 19, 2010, 10:13:05 PM
Fried is the only way I can eat Okra.  My Dad likes it pickled!  I think Church's Fried Chicken makes the best fried Okra.
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Post by: Freuds_Cat on July 20, 2010, 12:00:57 AM
I already said this in another thread but I can't say it often enough:

Okra.  :puke:   Watching the slime ooze out while it's being fried is almost as bad as the taste.

Score!  ;D ;)
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Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on July 20, 2010, 12:42:35 AM
I already said this in another thread but I can't say it often enough:

Okra.  :puke:   Watching the slime ooze out while it's being fried is almost as bad as the taste.

..that's because the okra you've been eating has been rotten. If there's any slime at all during cooking, it's gone bad. I don't have any great love for it, but I used to grow lots of okra.
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Post by: patman on July 20, 2010, 05:35:53 AM
I like okra fried (Cracker Barrel is my fave)...or in soups etc...

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Post by: Dave W on July 20, 2010, 10:54:42 AM
..that's because the okra you've been eating has been rotten. If there's any slime at all during cooking, it's gone bad. I don't have any great love for it, but I used to grow lots of okra.

I have no idea, but it always came from my grandmother's garden and she was famous among family and friends for her wonderful shrimp gumbo. I loved her cooking but couldn't stomach the gumbo because it had okra.
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Post by: Highlander on July 20, 2010, 11:11:49 AM
When I was a kid, the merest thought of eating goosberries would start me heaving (EEECH....!!! FURRY GRAPES...?!?!), but no problem these days...

Just order up a Bhindi Bhaji next time you are in an Indian restaurant, Dave, and let nature take it course... ;)
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Post by: exiledarchangel on July 20, 2010, 11:17:56 AM
Okra isn't so bad, really. Not my fav food, but its ok.
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Post by: Dave W on July 20, 2010, 06:09:26 PM

Just order up a Bhindi Bhaji next time you are in an Indian restaurant, Dave, and let nature take it course... ;)

I don't think so!
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Post by: Highlander on July 21, 2010, 07:19:42 AM
Your avatar is living up to the image... (please... no okra...)  ;)
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Post by: Dave W on July 21, 2010, 01:59:35 PM
Your avatar is living up to the image... (please... no okra...)  ;)

My avatar is The Mighty Favog.
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Post by: Basvarken on February 08, 2011, 07:03:55 AM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00224-20100709-1202.jpg)


Look: I've found it's lefty six string brother  ;D

(http://gallery.me.com/vdbroekrob/100285/LH-20EXPL-20SP-20MPL-small/web.jpg?ver=12971729400001)
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Post by: Basshappi on February 08, 2011, 11:04:38 AM
Don't know how I missed this thread but I like your bass very much. I am a fan of exotic woods and even gold hardware on the right wood/color combo. The only thing I think it could have made it just a bit better would have been to have the neck and body bound.

(Love okra and hot peppers too! :D)
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Post by: uwe on February 09, 2011, 11:05:58 AM
It does look like a guitar sibling!  :o :o :o But it's probably just veneer (unless it's a very expensive B&CH) where mine is a spalted maple top (parts of the original korina top were removed to make room).

Fungorers rool!  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Freuds_Cat on February 09, 2011, 01:09:55 PM
Copyrite!! Copyrite!  LOL  :mrgreen:  or is it the simply the authorized Uwe Hornung signature version?

Nicely done by Roman and Co
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Post by: uwe on February 10, 2011, 03:08:28 AM
They need an invasion, that's all.
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Post by: Dave W on February 10, 2011, 08:42:55 AM
They need an invasion, that's all.

Didn't we determine that they're in the Sudetenland?
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Post by: uwe on February 10, 2011, 09:30:46 AM
Since when did we need feigned excuses like that?
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Post by: dadagoboi on February 10, 2011, 09:42:49 AM
1938?
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Post by: Freuds_Cat on February 10, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
1938?


LOL  :mrgreen:
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Post by: uwe on February 10, 2011, 11:30:58 AM
A convenient argument at the time, true, but could it be repeated?  ;) We need a border incident ...
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Post by: dadagoboi on February 10, 2011, 12:00:48 PM
That's easy...smuggling fungus.
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Post by: Dave W on February 10, 2011, 02:52:49 PM
That's easy...smuggling fungus.

The Czech Republic has to import diseased wood?
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Post by: dadagoboi on February 10, 2011, 03:03:14 PM
No, truffles.
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Post by: Highlander on February 12, 2011, 07:30:36 AM
You're just no fun, guy... ;D