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Title: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 08, 2022, 12:00:53 PM
    The new Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird is no joke. Don't ask how I know.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: westen44 on April 08, 2022, 12:49:21 PM
How would you know?  (Asking for a friend.)
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Chris P. on April 08, 2022, 01:23:40 PM
How would you know? (Asking for Westen44)
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on April 08, 2022, 01:32:52 PM
HOG got one in?
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 08, 2022, 08:11:56 PM
  Maybe.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on April 09, 2022, 02:27:25 AM
Is there a G2 Flying V bass too?
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 11, 2022, 10:08:42 AM
Still curious of there will indeed be a left-handed version.  Gibson owes me a bass, and if this is the only Thunderbird coming out in the foreseeable future in left-handed, I'd definitely consider the white one and just change the pickguard or something.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Rob on April 11, 2022, 11:21:27 AM
Is there a G2 Flying V bass too?

 ;D
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: gearHed289 on April 12, 2022, 07:05:39 AM
Still curious of there will indeed be a left-handed version.  Gibson owes me a bass, and if this is the only Thunderbird coming out in the foreseeable future in left-handed, I'd definitely consider the white one and just change the pickguard or something.

Is there a white one? I can't seem to find any info newer than January 2021.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 12, 2022, 07:08:28 AM
Is there a white one? I can't seem to find any info newer than January 2021.

Sorry, I mean the white binding/trim.  They're both black.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on April 12, 2022, 07:49:05 AM
;D
Well there is one in that horrendous logo on the pickguard. So I'm guessing that is in the planning somewhere?
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 12, 2022, 08:39:16 AM
Well there is one in that horrendous logo on the pickguard. So I'm guessing that is in the planning somewhere?
  I am not a fan of the logo,  should have just been Gene's make up on the pg. Still a nice bass if one is being objective.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on April 12, 2022, 09:23:22 AM
I like the bass design itself too. I would want a thunderbird on the pg.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 12, 2022, 09:29:47 AM
I like the bass design itself too. I would want a thunderbird on the pg.

Same.  Plus not what looks like a mirror finish.  If these do come out in left-handed and have the neck profile of a Reverse and not a NR reissue, I might ask Gibson to send me one.  Fortunately pickguards are easily replaced.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 13, 2022, 04:00:38 AM
May I ask what exactly it has to make it sound different (not even necessarily better, just different) from any other modern TBird or is it just looks?

My current intelligence is that it's not neck-thru, has the same cutaway restrictions of any TBird and the pups are not a new design either. So where's the beef other than the Gene Simmons connection?

I would have expected a Gene Simmons endorsed TBird to have active electronics, balance better, a double octave neck and improved high register access. Instead we get binding and a mirrored pg - both are great to play heavy metal with.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: 4stringer77 on April 13, 2022, 09:52:28 AM
Ripped from another forum. I think I see EMGs.

(https://i.imgur.com/QsuwuuH.jpg)
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 13, 2022, 12:05:34 PM
That pacifies me. My EMG phase is long over, but an active TBird - for those people who like it - was long missing from the TB fold.

A passive Gene Simmons signature model would have been laughable to me. That guy - whether he knows it or not - hasn't been on stage with anything else but active basses for the last 40 years or so.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: ilan on April 13, 2022, 01:24:57 PM
That's one good looking 'Bird. 
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 13, 2022, 01:32:32 PM
I wonder if the Gibson's released one will have EMGs or just TB+.  The bridge cover looks out of place with the rest of the hardware.  If I end up with one of these, I think I'd replace the pickguard with a white or black one and change out the hardware to nickel.  I love black hardware on my Vintage Burst Thunderbird, but I think nickel would contrast nicely with this bass.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 13, 2022, 04:10:30 PM
Will it breathe fire and spew blood?
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Chris P. on April 14, 2022, 02:23:24 AM
That bridge cover looks good on the bass!
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 14, 2022, 04:19:06 AM
Will it breathe fire and spew blood?
   The one I played had no bridge cover, Hipshot bridge and TB plus pickups.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 14, 2022, 05:10:33 AM
That bridge cover looks good on the bass!

He has those on his Punishers too, Gene doesn't palm mute. But if you do, that thing is the first to go.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 14, 2022, 06:31:28 AM
   The one I played had no bridge cover, Hipshot bridge and TB plus pickups.

Scott, was the neck profile thinner like a Reverse Thunderbird or thicker like a NR reissue?
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 14, 2022, 12:06:59 PM
   The one I played had no bridge cover, Hipshot bridge and TB plus pickups.

So it must have sounded like any other TBird, give/take the set neck vs neck-thru difference.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: 4stringer77 on April 14, 2022, 01:39:43 PM
Here's an article with Gene claiming Gibson is using premium wood for these. He also says they improved their finishing and the bridge is set up perfectly in relation to the neck and the pickups.

https://consequence.net/2021/03/gene-simmons-g2-kiss-interview-2021/
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: morrow on April 14, 2022, 01:47:58 PM
Does that mean the bridges never used to be set up perfectly and the finishes were lousy ?

Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on April 15, 2022, 02:38:03 AM
Quote
Also on tap are Flying V basses and guitars, among other instruments.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 15, 2022, 08:46:28 AM
Here's an article with Gene claiming Gibson is using premium wood for these. He also says they improved their finishing and the bridge is set up perfectly in relation to the neck and the pickups.

https://consequence.net/2021/03/gene-simmons-g2-kiss-interview-2021/

Finish does not influence sound, we've long established that here. Premium wood with Gibson probably means that it is legally imported?  :-X And from what Gene says about "repositioning the bridge" I'm not sure he doesn't mean repositioning the pick-ups in relationship to the bridge. No sense in knocking him for that, this guy probably set up a bass by himself 50 years ago - if ever - and has since then been in the hand of guitar techs. He probably can't tell you the components of the theater blood he spits every night either (but I hope it at least comes in different flavors: "It's wild cherry night tonight, Chaim!").

It's a stretch to envisage any of this making the Geneson TBirds sound any different to a rank and file TBird in a meaningful way. It seems to me that him and Gibson focused on making the thing look valuable. His Punishers were certainly immaculate in craftsmanship. But that had at least also certain playability components to it and was a design of its own.

Let's see how they tackle the inherent problems of getting a Flying V bass to sound good.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: lowend1 on April 15, 2022, 03:48:33 PM
And from what Gene says about "repositioning the bridge" I'm not sure he doesn't mean repositioning the pick-ups in relationship to the bridge.

I thought the same thing - maybe - so I set about making this little comparison, including most of the recent Thunderbird variations, minus the VP and a couple of others. There are obviously some minor inconsistencies with regard to camera angle, but I tried to get as close as I could, using the nut width as a rough guide. Perhaps its the optics resulting from dissimilar photos, but it seems to me that the G2 has had everything shifted forward on the body just a tad, with less of the fingerboard extending into the body - but just by a little. Assuming they used the same template for the pickguard (sans the Studio), the upper middle pg screw lines up differently with the pickup on the G2

Or maybe I'm full of crap...

(https://i.imgur.com/WfLwiIs.jpg)
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: ilan on April 16, 2022, 03:09:40 AM
The G2 seems to have the bridge saddles right above the middle knob, all the other models in the pic have them about halfway between the vol and tone. The neck is pushed out by one fret. The other Birds have the deepest point of the cutaway under the 17th fret, the G2 has it under the 18th fret. So a bit more neck dive, I guess, better access and slightly treblier pickups.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Rob on April 16, 2022, 07:07:54 AM
The G2 seems to have the bridge saddles right above the middle knob, all the other models in the pic have them about halfway between the vol and tone. The neck is pushed out by one fret. The other Birds have the deepest point of the cutaway under 17th fret, the G2 has it under the 18th fret. So a bit more neck dive, I guess, better access and slightly treblier pickups.

Keen observations!
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: ilan on April 16, 2022, 07:27:39 AM
It should have a noticeable effect. Like 70s Fender J's when the bridge pickup was moved 0.4" towards the bridge, and it became significantly thinner sounding.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 16, 2022, 12:51:22 PM
  I doubt this bass will neck dive the body being a slab will no raise center section must be about 1 1/2" thick. I only played it sitting down but it didn't have any dive to it at all, it felt quite balanced.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 16, 2022, 01:22:31 PM
  I doubt this bass will neck dive the body being a slab will no raise center section must be about 1 1/2" thick. I only played it sitting down but it didn't have any dive to it at all, it felt quite balanced.

Scott, what was the neck profile like?
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 17, 2022, 07:52:15 AM
  I like the neck a lot! I.5" at the nut, a fair bit of meat on the back but not as much as the 2013 or 2021 NRs. Sort of a C profile. Come to think of it it feels a lot like my first NR that I bought in '77.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 17, 2022, 10:02:25 AM
  I like the neck a lot! I.5" at the nut, a fair bit of meat on the back but not as much as the 2013 or 2021 NRs. Sort of a C profile. Come to think of it it feels a lot like my first NR that I bought in '77.

Thanks! That's encouraging. We'll see what my contact at Gibson has to say about it. Communication is slow there.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 17, 2022, 12:47:50 PM
  I like the neck a lot! I.5" at the nut, a fair bit of meat on the back but not as much as the 2013 or 2021 NRs. Sort of a C profile. Come to think of it it feels a lot like my first NR that I bought in '77.

This also reminds me that I still can't find any solid info on how deep the trussrod is on the 2013 NR.  I really like my left-hand conversion, but I very much prefer the neck thickness of my 2013 Reverse.  I was thinking of having it shaved down to about the same as the Reverse, but the concern was hitting the trussrod cavity and ruining it.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Pilgrim on April 18, 2022, 09:43:55 AM
This also reminds me that I still can't find any solid info on how deep the trussrod is on the 2013 NR.  I really like my left-hand conversion, but I very much prefer the neck thickness of my 2013 Reverse.  I was thinking of having it shaved down to about the same as the Reverse, but the concern was hitting the trussrod cavity and ruining it.

Got a friend with a X-ray machine?
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 18, 2022, 10:15:25 AM
Got a friend with a X-ray machine?

No one I can think of offhand, but that's a very interesting suggestion.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 19, 2022, 03:55:14 AM
Very helpful Lowend and Ilan, I see it now. Which reminds me: The TBird Studios had better upper fretboard access, doodling in A between the 17th and 19th fret was no issue, with a real TBird you can't sensibly do that beyond G (15th and 17th fret). That was always one of the good things about the Studio (soundwise it was a Victory/TBird hybrid). Likewise, the set neck Studios did not neck-dive, but were stable and heavy with their thick body (the neck-thru TBird is in contrast to his unjustified image - due to his size - as a heavy bass not heavy at all).

"Pulling out the neck" is a small, nuanced change, but one that makes sense. Could well imagine that Gene had his hand paws in that because he likes to slide notes all the way up and down, he needs high register access with his playing style.

And if you move up the neck in its extrusion from the body, moving the pups makes sense too. Gene is not a
"treble pup squeezed to the bridge"-bony-sound fan, his own Punishers don't even have a bridge pup (in contrast to the ones you could buy) because he never uses one. If you look at the G2 pup positioning in relation to the pg, you can see that they have moved the treble pup a complete and the bass pup half a pup-width forward.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/n8SkNR77udWlG/200.gif)
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 19, 2022, 09:02:13 AM
  Today is the official release date for Gene's Thunderbird, I can finally share my video review done for The House of Guitars. https://youtu.be/gb3mB5LrDrw
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 19, 2022, 09:09:34 AM
  Today is the official release date for Gene's Thunderbird, I can finally share my video review done for The House of Guitars.

Super cool, Scott!  Does it sound or feel different than any of the modern Thunderbirds with TB+ pickups?
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on April 19, 2022, 09:22:49 AM
Again, I like the looks. And I love set neck too.
Not too keen on the distorted sound though. It’s a bit too much for my taste. Can’t really judge the tone of the bass this way…
Maybe you could add a video with a less distorted sound?
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 19, 2022, 09:34:07 AM
I love Gibson's video for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWbp2uHciSA
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on April 19, 2022, 09:38:39 AM
Haha, that is a funny video. Who would have known old Chaim has a sense of humor!
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 19, 2022, 09:44:52 AM
Again, I like the looks. And I love set neck too.
Not too keen on the distorted sound though. It’s a bit too much for my taste. Can’t really judge the tone of the bass this way…
Maybe you could add a video with a less distorted sound?
  I didn't  buy the bass, I suppose I could do another video but I suspect there will be plenty of others demoing a cleaner sound.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 19, 2022, 10:04:48 AM
Haha, that is a funny video. Who would have known old Chaim has a sense of humor!

Script writers I guess.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: westen44 on April 19, 2022, 10:51:52 AM
Script writers I guess.  :mrgreen:


They did a great job, too.  So did all the people in the video.  It was very well-done and amusing.  Plus, I really like ebony.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 19, 2022, 02:33:36 PM
  Today is the official release date for Gene's Thunderbird, I can finally share my video review done for The House of Guitars. https://youtu.be/gb3mB5LrDrw

Someone knows his Simmons chops quite well here! Scott, our Kiss Army Grunt.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 19, 2022, 02:43:37 PM
The promo vid is gorgeous, just one glitch: Gene calls the bass the  "G Square" only at the beginning of the vid, but everyone (him included) refer to it as the "G Two" in the course of the clip.

That way G Square will never catch on.

They should have shown a pic of the other three Kiss members when he mentioned the "board of independent experts".  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 19, 2022, 02:47:16 PM
  I didn't  buy the bass, I suppose I could do another video but I suspect there will be plenty of others demoing a cleaner sound.

I did not say a word about the not quite hifi'sh clean sound, I swear!  :-X

Don't any of you guys dare knock Scott for having the most versatile bass sound second to only ...


Lemmy!   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Alanko on April 19, 2022, 03:27:49 PM
If the control placement is the same then the Gene bass has the shortest distance from saddle to bridge pickup. This makes sense as a pick player such as Gene would get a punchy scooped tone running a pair of pickups in parallel, relatively close to the bridge. Basically a Jazz Bass type of business.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 19, 2022, 04:32:25 PM
No mention yet of a left-handed version, and Gibson customer support doesn't see anything coming in the near future.  They made the generous offer to send the off-center Thunderbird back to me and then when an option comes in, we can do the exchange.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 19, 2022, 04:33:43 PM
It's interesting that in the press releases and from Gene himself there was also a red-bound version, and Vs, and left-handed.  I wonder when the rest is supposed to come out.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 19, 2022, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: uwe li.nk=topic=12089.msg208553#msg208553 date=16504048
 
And now for something completely different. https://youtube.com/shorts/27EmELJ0jfM?feature=share
   

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IDIOT-UWE'S EDIT: [/b]Oh, damn, apologies Scott, I accidentally was in "modify" rather than "quote" mode when I wanted to compliment you on your - undistorted - melodic bass solo,

https://youtube.com/shorts/27EmELJ0jfM?feature=share

so I erased all your other stuff ... Guilty as charged. Dumb, dumb, dumb, stupido! Unfortunately there is no function to recover your original text. I could goose step-kick myself.

What Scott had graciously written was after quoting my Lemmy spoof on him was that he could always add more/"switch up" (!  :mrgreen:) distortion and that he had been testing a new Ampeg Rocket Bass combo from the HOG, but wasn't over the moon with its distorted channel (I tend to agree - it sounds nasty, obscuring the natural beauty of Scott's playing).

I hope I haven't forgotten anything - it's not like I don't read your posts!

To me distortion/ovrdrive on a bass is like garlic with a meal - applied sparingly , it's tasty, but don't overdo it.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: ilan on April 20, 2022, 03:13:19 AM
Ebony boards are significantly heavier than rosewood. I hope they made it a thin veneer and not a slab.

The Gibson vid is very well made.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 20, 2022, 04:25:26 AM
Ha, I did it, Scott's original post reinstated in its full glory:

I can switch it up when needed ;) but typically I like it dirty 😏  I was playing through one of the new Ampeg Rocket combos,  I wasn't all that impressed with the overdrive channel. 

And now for something completely different:

https://youtube.com/shorts/27EmELJ0jfM?feature=share
   

Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 20, 2022, 05:15:32 AM
  Lets try this again.  Me displaying a somewhat more tasteful tone,  hopefully Uwe won't go all scorched earth on it this time. ;D https://youtube.com/shorts/27EmELJ0jfM?feature=share
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 20, 2022, 05:17:13 AM
Ha, I did it, Scott's original post reinstated in its full glory:

I can switch it up when needed ;) but typically I like it dirty 😏  I was playing through one of the new Ampeg Rocket combos,  I wasn't all that impressed with the overdrive channel. 

And now for something completely different:

https://youtube.com/shorts/27EmELJ0jfM?feature=share
   

  Well done Uwe! Sorry for the duplicate post, it appears we were typing at the same time.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 20, 2022, 06:58:18 AM
I never have issues with your beautiful playing, it's just that all the overdrive/distortion is sometimes too much make-up!

Your high register soloing is lovely.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 20, 2022, 07:02:14 AM
I never have issues with your beautiful playing, it's just that all the overdrive/distortion is sometimes too much make-up!

Your high register soloing is lovely.

How do you feel about Tom Petersson, then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnNbrQOAaEY
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 20, 2022, 07:43:02 AM
WARNING: UWE'S CHEAP TRICK RANT !!!

It's a subject I would rather avoid given how many Trickster fans (don't continue reading!!!) we have here, but (having seen Cheap Trick three times in concert) since you asked:

- Whenever I saw Cheap Trick live, I found them a billowing barrage of noise. They seem to have no control over their live sound at all. I remember a gig where they played together with Status Quo and Deep Purple, both were sound machines of immaculate industrial precision, Cheap Trick sounded like the echo of a second rate garage band playing a mile away in comparison.

- Tom Petersson's live bass sound is so diffuse, he might as well not be playing at all. It's all one great undifferentiated sound mess, to the point of sounding out of time in places

Perhaps they are fine in clubs, at open airs I have seen them fail every time.  "Live At Budokan" sounds diffuse to me too, the only thing you hear well and without too much echo-o-o-o-o are the Japanese girls screaming.

My gosh, they even sound noisy here, Nielsen's guitar is a mess to me, he makes Neil Young's electric guitar playing sound controlled in comparison:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2I_MHdE6ZQ

The guys who wrote the original don't (granted, the audio is doctored):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_ntIYnqMi4

Oh, and I don't like Rick Nielsen's habit of playing minor scale solos over major chord progressions either. He sure would not have lasted long with The Allman Brothers, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Marshall Tucker, Outlaws, Charlie Daniels, 38 Special or Molly Hatchet. Or Boston for that matter. Playing solos in major keys skillfully is a thoroughly American art which he doesn't master - he plays like a Brit who doesn't know better (Oasis have issues finding the right keys for solos over major harmonies too). It drives me nuts when guitarists don't know their scales. Nielsen is a professed Status Quo fan, in that case he should take lessons with Francis Rossi re the art of major scale solos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fhPWuAGX4Q

Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 20, 2022, 08:07:07 AM
Wow, that's disappointing.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 20, 2022, 08:27:00 AM
I'm sorry, can't help it. I have a lot of Cheap Trick's stuff and always make an earnest attempt to understand what's to like about it, to no avail really. Robin Zander's vocals do nothing for me either. His voice is not what I would call emotion-drenched.

But I'm ok with the drummer(s), whether Bun E. Carlos or Herr Nielsen Senior's own DNA!!!

I believe it would benefit the music if Petersson droned less on his 12-string and switched to a 4-string with which (i) you might hear him better, (ii) he might play something different to the root note at least once in a while.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 20, 2022, 08:29:02 AM
Viva la variety!
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on April 20, 2022, 04:48:17 PM


 At least there's some clarity here...............4 string Lull Thunderbird Signature.

https://youtu.be/GNT5mIi-YPY
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: ilan on April 21, 2022, 12:14:12 AM
I completely agree with Uwe. It had to be said.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 21, 2022, 12:14:35 AM
Indeed and it's a nice version, but that is hardly how Cheap Trick generally sound live. Nice of them to dig this one out though and of course they have some credibility doing it given how they actually played with Lennon.

And Petersson kept his 12-string mushmonster thankfully away.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 21, 2022, 12:18:40 AM
I completely agree with Uwe. It had to be said.

LOL - Ilan, danke, we'll found a club here, the CTHS (Cheap Trick Hate Squad) ...  :mrgreen:

As consolation: I applaud their longevity and Nielsen's general quirkiness.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: westen44 on April 21, 2022, 02:34:24 AM
These things being said are making me feel much better about the Cheap Trick concert I missed long ago in New Orleans.  I had even already bought my ticket, too.  But there is nothing to make me feel better about the two Allman Brothers concerts I came so very close to seeing.  Trying to convince me the Allman Brothers had major flaws would be pretty much pointless. 
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 21, 2022, 03:12:58 AM
Like any band the Allmans could have an off night, but generally the amount of improvisation in their music and their overall musicianly skill would guarantee a few highlights even on a less than stellar night. The only other major bands still active on the touring circuit in recent years that were/are as much into jamming were/are, ironically, Deep Purple, the Dave Matthews Band and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Most other name bands these days fear to challenge their audience. A tradition carried on well, of course, by the Tedeschi Trucks Band and Gov't Mule, the two Allman split-offs.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Alanko on April 21, 2022, 06:43:28 AM
I completely agree with Uwe. It had to be said.


I'm in the same boat. I want to like Cheap Trick, with their big power pop compositional style, zany humour, reverence for Brit Invasion music, etc. I just can't do it! American artists that show that degree of reverence for pioneer British acts (add Todd Rundgren to that list) just seem a bit too earnest and slightly unsettling?

I find Tom Petersson a slightly annoying bsssist. There's a video of him playing a '60s T-bird through a HiWatt rig on YouTube. It is several minutes of annoying showboating with zero bass playing going on.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: gearHed289 on April 21, 2022, 07:57:22 AM
The first 3 CT albums are classics in my world. I got turned on to the first two while in 8th grade, and bought Heaven Tonight (on 8 track!) when it was released. I pretty much fell off after that, but still like them. They've been a customer of mine for over 20 years (not that they buy much). I just saw their backline manager two days ago. Nielsen is definitely sloppy as hell live, and the 12er is an acquired taste (I even sold mine). I think Zander is an incredible, versatile vocalist, and the Bun E. beats rock! They did a full Sgt. Peppers show some years ago, and TP played a white T-Bird throughout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkJDJzLbb2o
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: westen44 on April 21, 2022, 04:18:05 PM
Like any band the Allmans could have an off night, but generally the amount of improvisation in their music and their overall musicianly skill would guarantee a few highlights even on a less than stellar night. The only other major bands still active on the touring circuit in recent years that were/are as much into jamming were/are, ironically, Deep Purple, the Dave Matthews Band and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Most other name bands these days fear to challenge their audience. A tradition carried on well, of course, by the Tedeschi Trucks Band and Gov't Mule, the two Allman split-offs.

The Allman Brothers may have been a little overrated.  But that can be said of many other bands, too.  In my book, they were definitely the best Southern rock band, although they said they didn't want to be called that. 
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on April 22, 2022, 02:11:06 AM
non distorted G2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SUqFJeEbsk
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 22, 2022, 03:02:02 AM
It growleth nicely. Not quite the mid-register cello sustain of a neck-thru, but most people aren't obsessed with that anyway. Here they obviously sacrificed neck-thru for set neck in order to get better balance with even a slightly extended neck. Given how much Gene requires basses to balance well so the neck doesn't sink down when he opens both his arms wide in classic Kiss stage pose,

(https://www.rollingstone.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/20/12/gene-simmons-kiss-live-2020-e1646326768343-992x560.jpg)

that makes sense.

Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on April 22, 2022, 04:09:26 AM
It growleth nicely.
It really does.
I catched myself wondering how it would look with a single ply matte black pickguard and dito truss rod cover.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 22, 2022, 07:06:57 AM
Maybe they tweaked the pup output a bit? TB Plus pups in any shape or form have always been work in progress with small changes being made.

It sure sounds how Gene likes his basses to sound. Though the elegant, elongated shape of the TBird will be kind of dwarfed by all his stage armor. He's not exactly gonna look like Attorney-at-Law Jackie F. with it ...

(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/5c/16/ef/5c16ef68f89ffa984047d0e6619dd004.jpg)
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Ken on April 22, 2022, 07:22:27 AM
I'd really like to hear a back-to-back comparison of a G2 Thunderbird and a regular Thunderbird to see if the pickups do in fact sound the same or different.  I wish that English guy who demoed it would've done a comparison with that other Thunderbird on the wall.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on April 22, 2022, 08:11:18 AM


 I think it's a great looking and sounding Bird, set neck and TB Plus is a good combination - it reminds me of my Studio Bird alot. 
Gibson has used at least 5 variations of pickups in Birds since '88, I think ones used in the 2021 Non Reverse are from Seymour-Duncan, maybe these are from them? 
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: ilan on April 22, 2022, 04:22:37 PM
And now, your favorite YouTube guy...

I wasn't aware of what's under the bridge until now.

https://youtu.be/JwJvZ6X11Us
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on April 23, 2022, 12:31:21 AM
Whahaa, he has never heard or nor seen the Hipshot Supertone bridge.
Under which rock has he been living?

Probably isn't aware of the Babicz FCH-3 either.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: ilan on April 23, 2022, 04:26:47 AM
I believe it would benefit the music if Petersson droned less on his 12-string and switched to a 4-string with which (i) you might hear him better, (ii) he might play something different to the root note at least once in a while.

It's not the instrument as much as the player.

https://youtu.be/TGMYQEdNhSM
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on April 23, 2022, 06:05:12 AM
Yeah that guy is impressive. He makes it look much easier than it is.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 23, 2022, 07:18:33 AM
Maybe he could give Tom Petersson a few hours of lessons?
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 23, 2022, 07:20:54 AM
This thread is now six pages long and no one has yet made the dreaded statement about the bass needing chrome hardware. Even the lighting girl has held back.

I guess that's for once a good start.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on April 23, 2022, 11:08:23 AM
This thread is now six pages long and no one has yet made the dreaded statement about the bass needing chrome hardware. Even the lighting girl has held back.

I guess that's for once a good start.
   

 Hey! The black stuff does work with this specific bass, not even an arguable point for me. That bridge tho, it's ugly as sin and very uncomplimentary to a Thunderbird's shape (I can think of a bass who's design it would compliment), it's actually the only thing I don't like about that bass. A Kahler like my Jackson has would have been my choice. 

Plenty of black hardware here.

(https://i.imgur.com/lX90FCR.jpg)


 
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: ilan on April 23, 2022, 11:17:57 AM
This thread is now six pages long and no one has yet made the dreaded statement about the bass needing chrome hardware

I thought it was a given.

Seriously, it needs gold hardware and a 5-ply black pickguard.

(https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--0wvjYfid--/f_auto,t_large/v1647356445/wlb1hpqnaenucba99c8f.jpg)
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: gearHed289 on April 25, 2022, 08:23:06 AM
This thread is now six pages long and no one has yet made the dreaded statement about the bass needing chrome hardware.

I thought about it.  ;D Chrome would (as usual) be better, but since it's unlikely I'll ever be buying one of these basses, I'll keep that opinion to myself.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 26, 2022, 04:33:56 AM
Lovely Tommy (Crooked) Meter Maid.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: lowend1 on April 26, 2022, 10:37:27 AM
This thread is now six pages long and no one has yet made the dreaded statement about the bass needing chrome hardware. Even the lighting girl has held back.

I guess that's for once a good start.

The bass needs chrome hardware.
Fixed it for you.

Perhaps the mirrored pickguard provides sufficient shiny stuff for those of us with avian tendencies.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 26, 2022, 10:44:11 AM
(https://img.nzz.ch/2019/2/4/78ac5b46-84c0-46ea-840d-d39ab3d2ba4a.jpeg?width=654&height=605&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1600,1481,x0,y0)


I don't even know why I'm still putting up with y'all.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: gearHed289 on July 20, 2023, 11:25:45 AM
Saw this on Instagram. Had me going for a minute! I thought I was about to have to sell something.  ;D

Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on July 20, 2023, 02:28:13 PM
Not bad at all. Punisher meets LP Junior.
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on July 20, 2023, 02:58:02 PM
A while ago I made this artist impression:

(https://www.brooksbassguitars.com/uploads/1/3/3/7/13376708/brooks-eb-gs_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Gene Simmons G2 Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on July 20, 2023, 03:09:16 PM
Saw this on Instagram. Had me going for a minute! I thought I was about to have to sell something.  ;D
 

 Those guys!