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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: Hornisse on January 18, 2010, 01:11:57 PM
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http://www.bassnw.com/Used%20Basses/gibson_lpb1_les_paul_tv_yellow_4_st.htm
Even has the flower pot inlay!
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That's more reasonable than most Specials I've seen in the last couple of years. And it's a 92 three knob so no Bart preamp. These sold for about $650 new. Good deal.
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The black stings look killer on that one.....
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Uuhh, I like those in TV yellow. That finish seems to have been offered the first couple of years only since I've only seen them in a three knob configuration and traditional headstock shape. Not very often those come up for sale.
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If anybody is interested and want this, I can look at it in person, BassNW is a great dealer and only 15mins from my house. ;D
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Great price! Cool bass. Looks more like school bus yellow in the pics. 8)
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Great price! Cool bass. Looks more like school bus yellow in the pics. 8)
The couple I've seen in person are more like French's Mustard compared to the original TV finish.
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Ah, TV yellow! A color whose origins are lost in the mists of time. ;)
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That's nice! It should come with a "No Passing" sign and a flashing red lights!
A buddy of mine insists that Les Paul basses are notorious for suffering from warped necks. This can't be across the board. Right?
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Wonder if it is TV or just white that yellowed.
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Perhaps it went into a tanning bed!
Soundwise, are these equivalent to Thunderbirds?
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That's nice! It should come with a "No Passing" sign and a flashing red lights!
A buddy of mine insists that Les Paul basses are notorious for suffering from warped necks. This can't be across the board. Right?
I have about half a dozen, none of them warped. Warped maho necks happen too, but tend to be rare, especially on stuff that isn't really vintage yet. My sixties Epi Embassy had some warpage as did a mid-sventies Flying V Ibanez bass (but not to an extent of warped maple necks which can become unplayable), but they were both ancient in comparison to an early or mid-nineties LPB. Not really an issue. No idea where the rumour came from - perhaps the LP guitars with maple necks tended to warp, but they never had a bass equivalent (Epi LP basses excepted).
They sound phatter than TB's due to the more massive body and thicker neck. The carved maple top versions are also quite a bit snappier than a TBird.
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Wonder if it is TV or just white that yellowed.
These were originally yellow, not yellowed white.
Ah, TV yellow! A color whose origins are lost in the mists of time. ;)
Only by revisionistas who invent scenarios that never existed. :P
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TV Yellow or white ... As if there is a dif!
I told my band the TV yellow lore today and they were fascinated by it - people always are.
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"TV Yellow..." ?
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Yes, Ken, but Dave ("It better makes sense or I censor!") won't allow me to tell that story here. Not scientifically proven ...
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That's nice! It should come with a "No Passing" sign and a flashing red lights!
A buddy of mine insists that Les Paul basses are notorious for suffering from warped necks. This can't be across the board. Right?
mine is.well just the headstock is a bit twisted.
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"TV Yellow..." ?
In the 50s Gibson put out a variation of the LP Junior called the Les Paul TV Model. It had a limed mahogany finish that was a peculiar shade of yellow. The "TV Model" name came from the fact that limed finishes were very popular on those newfangled console TV cabinets in the 50s. The color eventually became known as TV Yellow and it became a paint, not a limed finish.
Any other story of the origin of the TV name is utter bullcrap.
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Aah, c'mon lads, i want to hear the other version. Uwe, just tell it, i'll help you invade the whole site from this side of the Alps.... and if it goes wrong i believe you have contacts to somebody in South America that can hide us over there ... ;D
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Saw an all black Les Paul Bass yesterday for less than that one...
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Aah, c'mon lads, i want to hear the other version. Uwe, just tell it, i'll help you invade the whole site from this side of the Alps.... and if it goes wrong i believe you have contacts to somebody in South America that can hide us over there ... ;D
Is this it? (quoted external link so I can't get flamed for it).
TV Yellow was developed in the 1950s to solve the problem of the color white, under the glare of bright television lights, overpowering the black and white television cameras....
http://home.flash.net/~guitars/TV_Yellow.html
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Damn, i hope not, i thought of some weird story, donno.... maybe something with bugs shait, like in that other thread, or some scientific mistake..... :-[
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Yup, that is the (rather good) story that Dave has disallowed me to tell :-X here. No politics, no religion and not even the truth about what went on in US TV studios in the black & white era, sigh!!! :-\ And then people compain how we always return to anal sex as a topic ... :mrgreen:
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Well..........TV is slang for transvestite,but this girl and yellow of any shade rarely meet ;)
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Is this it? (quoted external link so I can't get flamed for it).
http://home.flash.net/~guitars/TV_Yellow.html
(Not directed at you, Phil)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/davepix/humor/uttercrap.jpg)
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I've got a 1950's chest-of-draws in our bedroom that is finished that way - not mahogany though... not seen it in black & white, either... ;D
(Kenny's edukashun goe's on in leapz an' boundz... Ta, Boss...)
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That didn't last long! (the bass, that is......... ;D)
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Another nice bass, not a bad deal for a flame top, which where fetching $1200 pre recession.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-Les-Paul-bass-w-case_W0QQitemZ120520383453QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item1c0f931bdd#ht_3609wt_1119
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In ze interests of scientific rigour I had a look on Google Images (where else) for limed or yellow TV cabinets. Apparently this was available in "limed oak"
(http://www.tvhistory.tv/1952-Motorola-21F1.JPG)
as was this
(http://www.tvhistory.tv/1953-Motorola-21K4.JPG)
and this was just yellow ish
(http://www.wa2ise.com/radios/gem111asd.jpg)
Jury's out, I think.
"Vonce ze rokkets go up, who carez vhere ze come daun, zat's not my department ...."
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Phil, it was never referred to as yellow. Limed oak was blondish, depending on the particular method and the natural color of the oak. Most of the limed oak (or walnut or mahogany) consoles were veneer, and most often looked like this (http://books.google.com/books?id=gFQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=%22limed+oak+veneer%22&source=bl&ots=8nhRaElzEx&sig=5Y3Dt4w41r4cEmo_DtAb4ievtYw&hl=en&ei=SBxaS7mPAdHT8QbcyYzsBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=34&ved=0CI8BEOgBMCE#v=onepage&q=%22limed%20oak%20veneer%22&f=false).
If you can find a Sears catalog from the 50s you'll find lots of listings for limed oak TV and record player consoles and contemporary furniture. Not many color photos though.
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That link shows the exact hue I remember. Gibson did a run of Firebirds a few years ago that were much closer to the real thing than anything I've ever seen that was called 'TV Yellow" or whatever:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/gcarlston/Guitars/gibson_firebird_nonreverse-1.jpg)
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The white wash over mahogany gives it a pinkish, mauve tone.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/4f1a_12.JPG.jpg)
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Yep, that's quite similar to my draws...
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Keep it under IRE 100 or you'll glow.
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Keep it under IRE 100 or you'll glow.
Watch those scopes!
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Before Fräulein Rommel cropped up here nobody even knew what mauve was. We're slowly but surely being feminized!
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The Mauve were Broommies...
(international translation from "Brummy", an unusual Middle England dialect, relates the above to a Birmingham based 1960's hip beat combo that split and formed other 1970's hip beat combos...)
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The Mauve were Broommies...
(international translation from "Brummy", an unusual Middle England dialect, relates the above to a Birmingham based 1960's hip beat combo that split and formed other 1970's hip beat combos...)
It's a shame no one from "The Mauve" ended up in Deep Purple.
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Well, good old Bev Bevan came at least close by playing with Ian Gillan in the band of two fellow brummies ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c4D2KNZOSM
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I got your Sabbath bootleg right here!
The girls and myself from a recent show ( the person that shot this doesn't care for me too much so I'm barely in the vid ) in downtown Seattle, bootleg quality with a candid of a friend at the end of it ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_w5toteIhc
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At 1.51: Geezer Butler never looked better. Or cleaner-shaven.
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Ah, Charlotte the harlot!
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I got your Sabbath bootleg right here!
The girls and myself from a recent show ( the person that shot this doesn't care for me too much so I'm barely in the vid ) in downtown Seattle, bootleg quality with a candid of a friend at the end of it ;)
I enjoyed that ... then I followed one of the other "Nasty Habits" links that came up. No Tbird playing drag queens here, can't you sue them or something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdRGz8hfZXI&feature=player_embedded#
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From the Reranch refinishing web site: TV Yellow was developed by Gibson in the early '50s to allow a "white" guitar to be played under the intense light required for black and white TV without the color overpowering the camera. The color is opaque but still shows the grain. It will display this magic only on an open grained wood. The color works best on mahogany. See the TV Yellow page for more information.
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Oh-oh. This will lead to further discussion, no doubt. Where is the Texas Lone Ranger when you expect him?
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From the Reranch refinishing web site: TV Yellow was developed by Gibson in the early '50s to allow a "white" guitar to be played under the intense light required for black and white TV without the color overpowering the camera. ...
Absolutely, totally false. The whole story got started because of an unconfirmed claim by some unnamed guy somewhere who said he once walked in on a live TV production in the 50s where everyone was wearing yellow to show up white. It may have happened once, but I can tell you from first hand observation that this was never a regular practice. Besides, NBC and CBS started broadcasting in color in 1954 even though there were almost no color sets.
As if Gibson would do this on their cheapest student model (3/4 scale only for the first couple of years) anyway. They never expected anyone to play it on TV.
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Rock music is steeped in its own lore, like the "brown note". These stories continue to live and be perpetuated, even though most of them are fallacies. When one digs to the very bowels of a story you usually come up empty handed.
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Rock music is steeped in its own lore, like the "brown note". These stories continue to live and be perpetuated, even though most of them are fallacies. When one digs to the very bowels of a story you usually come up empty handed.
The brown note exists, though it's extremely unlikely any rock concert could ever get low enough and loud enough to cause it. The episode of Mythbusters where they "debunked" it was set up to do exactly that. Their "subwoofer chamber" had two speakers facing each other, thus in the middle where they placed the test subject, the amplitude of the low frequecies was nulled. France uses servo-driven subwoofers with directional waveguides mounted in vans to disperse riots. Guess what happens to the people it's aimed at? ;)
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:mrgreen:
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Remind me never to go to a street demonstration in Paris.
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Absolutely, totally false. The whole story got started because of an unconfirmed claim by some unnamed guy somewhere who said he once walked in on a live TV production in the 50s where everyone was wearing yellow to show up white. It may have happened once, but I can tell you from first hand observation that this was never a regular practice. Besides, NBC and CBS started broadcasting in color in 1954 even though there were almost no color sets.
As if Gibson would do this on their cheapest student model (3/4 scale only for the first couple of years) anyway. They never expected anyone to play it on TV.
Im not trying to try to go on one side or the other on this argument at all, but watching alot of very early tv shows, those cameras seemed to have alot of issues with white, but not as bad as reflecting chrome, as we know was on allot of basses back then, man, that chrome would blow the whole picture out, lol
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Video cameras and videotape, as late as the mid 80's, had serious problems with luminance and chrominance saturation. Any extremely bright light or reflective color would overload the optic voltage convertors in cameras and they would "hang" momentarily. Video tape would overload and 'ghost trace' hot images.
Tube cameras can actually be burned out by sustained bright light. That happened to NASA alot in the lunar missions where they were relying on remote-irised cameras. In the time it took the radio signal to reach the moon and iris down a camera that was too hot, it was already burnt out. To see what it does to video tape, watch anything shot "live" in the 70's. The original Dark Shadows is a prime example.
As to the veracity of the story behind "TV Yellow," most things in black and white days were shot to film, which has no problem with white.
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As a kid I had occasion to be in TV studios a dozen or more times during live broadcasts. Whatever problems cameras had, and I'm sure they did, I never once saw anyone wearing yellow as a substitute for white.
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As a kid I had occasion to be in TV studios a dozen or more times during live broadcasts. Whatever problems cameras had, and I'm sure they did, I never once saw anyone wearing yellow as a substitute for white.
ya that sounds crazy to purposefully wear yellow, for any other reason other than liking the color, lol
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As a kid I had occasion to be in TV studios a dozen or more times during live broadcasts. Whatever problems cameras had, and I'm sure they did, I never once saw anyone wearing yellow as a substitute for white.
Yup. Just clarifying the facts behind the myth. It's bullshit.
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I still have a love affair with vintage white long scale LP basses. The necks just don't appeal to me and my short fingers. I've pretty much decided to build my own semi-hollow LP bass in the near future and it will be vintage white with a really skinny, jazz bass-like neck.
Or maybe I'll use that special TV yellow for all of my guest appearances on the telly.
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Just make sure it's a black and white broadcast. ;D
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Just make sure it's a black and white broadcast. ;D
Hey I live in rural NY, we have lots of B&W tellies!
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Colour television...? you have colour television...? wonders never cease... we have to make do with Pathe News...