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Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: westen44 on April 15, 2024, 03:48:18 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CORANvT8l9A
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I'm not qualified to comment on this.
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I'm not qualified to comment on this.
To be honest, I'm not really, either. But it's referring to the horrifying "country" music which came out around fifteen years ago or so. To people like Dave who are true country experts, it's abominable. But it is to other people, too, including myself. I will go so far as to say I actually hate it. Bro-country as a genre is boring, formulaic, stupid and dominated by male singers, some with atrocious fake Southern accents.
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Their accent is mostly fine, a bit on the North German side. What can you do when you're from Hamburg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2f4hU2xN7M
Actually it was based on their hit that Dave Dudley became a household name in Germany, he then toured with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K6GX-6kKhg
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Thankfully, it can be said that neither that Hamburg band nor Dave Dudley had anything to do with bro-country.
To clarify this bro-country situation, someone could post some examples of it. But I don't want to do that and I doubt if anyone else does, either. Goodness knows I wouldn't want to listen to any of it on purpose. Besides that, that parody video is probably good enough to illustrate what it is anyway. This topic has been discussed on the forum before, but I don't remember the context at all.
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You lose 5 points of IQ every time you have to listen to a bro country song, so I won't post any.
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Talking to an attractive woman can also lower a man's IQ--at least temporarily. But at least that would be something way more fun than listening to bro-country.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/dating-and-mating/201605/does-talking-attractive-women-make-men-dumber
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I had to look it up, so this is the song that supposedly started it?
https://youtu.be/8PvebsWcpto
I don’t get the negative excitement. It’s a few country elements rocked up in instrumentation, arrangement and rhythm which has been going on for 50 years and more. With a silly earworm chorus hook and a vid consisting mainly of ‘babes’, an aimlessly driving around pickup truck and occasional glimpses of The Stars & Stripes. Not more excessively dumb than ZZ Top’s 80ies vids which have all reached unwarranted cult status by now or lyrically more superficial than what The Beach Boys sang about in nearly all their hits. Praising weekend hedonism ain’t exactly a new thing either whether it’s Sam Cooke’s Another Saturday Night or Loverboy’s Working For The Weekend. So what exactly is so heinous about it? That it’s made up of stolen ingredients and banal? I always thought that was one of the pillars of pop and rock music! 😂
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Once again, Dave is the one to be talking to about this. Whether he even feels like it, I don't know of course. I'm beginning to regret I even posted the topic. To people who hate bro-country it's a funny video. But to people who don't or aren't familiar with it, it might not be. I realize all that now. But the one thing I will comment on is the fake Southern accent in many of these songs. Often the songs are by people with real Southern accents. However, when they sing these songs, they are forcing the accent, making it sound artificial, exaggerated, forced, etc. As someone listening to real Southern accents every day, these bro-country songs just grate my ears tremendously. I honestly can't stand listening to this crap. That parody video is funny to me, but bro-country itself isn't funny at all. I can't even imagine how real country music fans feel about this. Because I'm just a casual fan, being far more familiar with rock than country. But if even I'm offended, I'm sure others are offended much more.
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Get over the accents! More than half the British Invasion faked American accents (or what they thought American accents were) - The Beatles included - and when they didn't you monolingual Yanks thought they were singing in another language (---> Small Faces). Likewise, a lot of Yank bands faked British accents, to the eternal amusement of the British music press. And there is no region on Earth where an English or even American dialect is spoken remotely like what John Fogerty fantasized bayou lingo to sound like. Or does anyone think that Robert Plant grew up in a household where "love" was pronounced "luuuv'" and adults referred to each other as "babiiieh"? Rrrubbish! (For the avoidance of doubt: pronounced "roobbish".)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbWT-g_E5-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be4IMrtXie4
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I can't get over accents. This is something I'm very opinionated about. There is so much I could say, I hardly know where to begin. Starting with English, though, my favorite is the Irish, followed very closely by the Scottish. As for American accents, I don't much like them. I'm stuck with speaking one, though. And not only that, but a Southern accent which is often stigmatized. Nevertheless, I'm not going to be fake and change it into something else.
I think I've mentioned this before on another topic. But here it is again. When I was in Frankfurt, we ended up going to Munich one day. As I was sitting in the train station, my mind was registering a huge WTF?????? The German in Munich was so different than what I heard in Frankfurt and central Germany as a whole. To make a long story short, I liked one German accent and disliked another. Several years ago, when I ordered a German course, I was extremely disappointed that the teacher was speaking Austrian German. If I'm going to try to learn such a difficult language, it sure as hell isn't going to be Austrian German. That was actually a very good course, but a waste of money for me personally.
Getting back to English, though, the bro-country fake Southern accent really does bother me. I don't think there is anything I could do about it even if I tried hard. But it isn't just the accent issue, there are many negative things about bro-country which, honestly, I could discuss, but there are others who could do a better job of explaining this. Obviously, Dave, but possibly others, too.
But there is one thing I will add, and this is kind of spontaneous. Real country music makes me feel something. Much of the time it's very emotional. Bro-country, simply put, does not.
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/i-can-will-say-florida-georgia-line-aint-country/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WXYjm74WFI
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I don't think a band like Florida Georgia Line was ever out to win authenticity contests. Their music is a commodity.
Did Bob Dylan betray folk music when he picked up an electric guitar? Were Police a bunch of posers because none of them came from Jamaica and they were somewhat lightly hued?
I'm always skeptic of self-proclaimed guardians of a certain type of music.
(https://i.discogs.com/IGHvgDw1YUInIVjmuAtqrP_LGjVLXC8-gtqpYa-eH0k/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:594/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTU2NjE4/MTUtMTM5OTIzOTA1/MS04MzY1LmpwZWc.jpeg)
Bring on the country influences!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxS7DtM1TZU
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I'm not really the guardian of anything. Country music purists might be. I'm not even a real country music fan. What I object to is how phony and totally unpleasant bro-country is. I just freaking don't like it. Plus, even though there is no way I could explain this like Dave, I know beyond doubt that bro-country isn't even real country. But I'm not trying to set myself up as an authority. Justice Stewart said he knew porn when he saw it. I can say I know country when I hear it. I think sometimes people mistake my sincerity with something else. That's unfortunate, but I can sometimes have a problem with being articulate. It's much easier in person and face-to-face for me. But in today's world that's often impossible.
BTW, just a few minutes ago, it occurred to me where some of this had been discussed before. It was on some topic about the Mona Lisa Twins who, of course, are from Austria. I've listened to them several times since then. Here is something I ran across a few days ago. An interesting take on an old Lovin' Spoonful song with John Sebastian himself participating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH3bgLY0TnQ
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You lose 5 points of IQ every time you have to listen to a bro country song, so I won't post any.
:toast:
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Michael, would I have ever put you in the same league as Manowar/Joey DeMaio, seriously now?
It's perfectly ok to prefer more authentic C&W music, but I don't see the point of faith wars because C&W's influence is felt in other genres too + gets adapted for their uses. Isn't that preferable to it dying a death in shuttered-off seclusion? Elements of it inspire a lot of people and that is a good thing in my book.
Country music is together with Blues one of the progenitors of rock, what's wrong with a little cross-pollination? It's not like incest and C&W are worlds apart ... :-X
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I like older country music because of the melodies, and sometimes well written songs. In my mind "Crazy" is right up there with "Stardust"...a well written song with a great melody.
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I suspected someone would try to bring in metal, the purity of metal, and that sort of thing. What I'm trying to say has absolutely nothing to do with that line of reasoning. That's from the perspective of metal fans who think they have some kind of mission to preserve metal and they don't want it diluted. I don't care about that. I'm not a metal fan. And when it gets down to it, I'm not really a country fan, either. Just more of a casual country music listener. But I don't have to have a deep country music knowledge to know that bro-country is outright rubbish. I find it impossible to take it seriously. But to me this is like someone trying to compare lightweight pop/rock bands to real rock bands like Cream. No one would be able to do a comparison like that. And no one would be able to make a comparison between bro-country/fake country to real country. It's literally a joke if you've been brought up listening to real country music all your life.
That's a good point, though, about the role country music (real country music) has played in the development of rock. Bob Dylan had something to say in a speech somewhere. I wrote it down I thought it was so important and here it is.
'The other half of rock 'n roll has got to be hillbilly. And that's a derogatory term, but it ought not be. That's a term that includes the Delmore Bros, Stanley Bros, Roscoe Holcomb, Gid Turner and the Skillet Lickers--groups like that. Moonshine gone berserk. Fast cars on dirt roads. That's the kind of combination that makes up rock 'n roll, and it can't be cooked up in a science laboratory or studio."
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That's a good point, though, about the role country music (real country music) has played in the development of rock. Bob Dylan had something to say in a speech somewhere. I wrote it down I thought it was so important and here it is.
'The other half of rock 'n roll has got to be hillbilly. And that's a derogatory term, but it ought not be. That's a term that includes the Delmore Bros, Stanley Bros, Roscoe Holcomb, Gid Turner and the Skillet Lickers--groups like that. Moonshine gone berserk. Fast cars on dirt roads. That's the kind of combination that makes up rock 'n roll, and it can't be cooked up in a science laboratory or studio."
The Dylan quote says it...where did Elvis, Bill Haley, Ritchie Valens and others who helped move rock & roll mainstream come from? Their backgrounds included gospel, folk music, "hillbilly" music, etc. Add a smidge of blues, mix well, out comes rock & roll, which begat rock.
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First, let's back up. Bro-country has absolutely nothing to do with trucker songs like Dave Dudley's Six Days on the Road. Not even remotely related. Trucker songs have always been a part of country music.
Bro-country is all about retarded goobers whose life supposedly revolves around partying in the back of their pickups with barefoot girls in cutoffs. Sung with fake accents.
You can watch old country shows on YT. Porter Wagoner, Wilburn Brothers, Bobby Lord and many others. You'll find that the hosts and guests talk the same way they sing. That's a big deal to me.
Whether bro-country or any other "modern" country, when I hear someone with no particular speaking accent put on a ridiculous exaggerated drawl, I cringe.
Bro-country in a nutshell: Maddie and Tae's Girl in a Country Song. Brilliant takedown. I saw them on the Today Show when this came out. Two Dallas teenagers with no noticeable accents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MOavH-Eivw
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While I'm at it, here are some of my old favorite country trucker songs.
From the 50s, covered many times since.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThYtqzoewvc
Two from the 60s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAYVV3NFlQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9f70YvYijY
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Dave, that was quite a response. You have summed it up perfectly. Retarded goobers in the back of pickup trucks singing with fake Southern accents. The Maddie and Tae video is something I had never seen before. But I was literally laughing out loud immediately. That one video may be the biggest F U to bro-country which has ever existed. I thought the video I posted was funny, and it was; but the Maddie and Tae video was hilarious. Just those facial expressions alone were priceless. Sarcastic humor can sometimes be more effective than anything in making a point. You just have to have the talent to pull it off and those girls did.
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I never for a second wanted to put either Truck Stop or Dave Dudley anywhere near fake country! Although, by Dave's definition, Truck Stop never could or can be authentic or even credible (they've been playing C&W music in Germany since the early 70ies at least, in various line-ups, I even saw them live once when they were still singing only English) because when they sing English they of course adopt a country drawl, but amongst themselves and in interviews they speak German with a Hamburg accent (note: Hamburg is not known for either a sizable cowboy or Native American population, never has).
It wasn't clear to me that the "lived-in" accent thing is so pivotal to you guys. Germany is awash with Bayerische Volksmusik artists that sing like they were raised on a remote mountain farm near the Austrian border a hundred years ago with guttural rrrolling 'r's, yet who change to fluent high German in off-stage life. Likewise, an Australian like Keith Urban who sings North American country-tinged pop (or whatever you want to call it) can then by definition never be the real thing. And didn't The Beatles sing an Americanized English on their songs yet revert to their Liverpudlian accent the second they stopped singing? Dare I mention Blackmore's Night where a Jewish-Polish-American Princess from Long Island sings her take of late medieval/Renaissance English?
And then there are girls in cropped or knotted tops, torn leg cut jeans shorts plus cowboy boots, all looking like they jumped from a Playmate pictorial where they explain how they grew up on a farm, love animals, and want to become veterinarians once they are done with 'modeling'. :rolleyes: But really, is there any crime of dumb sexist depiction of females through the male lens that fake country/country pop has committed that has not been perpetrated a thousands times over in 80ies Rock and Hair Metal or Rap/Hip-Hop vids? It's a male fantasy world that is being created there, a caricature of rural life, beer drinking in the sun on the back of a pickup truck and 24/7 sexually accessible + available 'babes' writhing about. Seriously: What else is new? I doesn't really say too much about the music, does it? Sexist connotations/presentations and popular music go (and always have gone) together like ham and cheese.
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Once again, I have to say that I speak more as a commoner and definitely nothing else. I grew up all around people who liked country music. But even as a youth the only country artist I liked very much was Hank Williams. This was all personal. No one told me to do it. But even when I was very young his music affected me. It's kind of like to me Hank Williams is the Beatles of country music. Then several years ago, I heard Amber Digby for the first time. She is no Hank Williams, either. But her music affects me on an emotional level in a similar way. Amber and Hank are the real deal. Many others are, too. But those are the only two country singers I can actually say I'm a fan of. As noted before, I'm mostly just a rock fan.
I do this with a straight face when I mention existentialism. But if you've read people like Kierkegaard and Sartre, this line of thinking can apply. The real country singers are functioning in an authenticity. They're very much real. They sing from the heart. But the bro-country and some of the other more modern artists are not authentic. They're fake and definitely unappealing to me. They are operating in what Sartre would call "bad faith." I care nothing for their feeble attempts to try to pass themselves off as real country artists. That's why I find the Maddie and Tae video making fun of them so amusing.