The Last Bass Outpost
Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: Dave W on November 29, 2013, 08:35:08 PM
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Guitar content, not bass, but this should be of interest: Les Paul Recording II (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LPRCNACH/) with low-Z pickups. :o
Discussion at Gibson's forum: http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/107604-les-paul-recording-ii-coming-soon/
I wonder if there's even a remote chance of a bass version.
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:o That would be awesome
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I wonder if there's even a remote chance of a bass version.
If they only make 600 guitars, there is no reason why they should not make a couple of hundred bass versions as well.
Let´s just hope they put some nice finish on them too!
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Who would have ever thunk it!! Lester's passing must have stirred a new appreciation for these guitars. I never thought they would reissue these! I wonder what the pickups will look like or who will make them...................
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af119/Grog_03/PairC.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/user/Grog_03/media/PairC.jpg.html)
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The only one I have ever found online that comes close to the specs (and looks) is Ballurio.
(http://www.ballurio.com/images/BGImages/BallurioS1Pickup.jpg)
See this thread:
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=8270.0
But he seems out of business to me. Doesn't answer any emails anymore... :-\
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Oh my, a bass version would be great! Especially in white.
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Such a great looking bass, love the headstock inlay!
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Interesting.
... though the use of "II" does not bode well from my perspective (seeing as what they've done with the G Series sequels - those may indeed have had room for improvement, but the LoZ series was near-perfect in my opinion and I really am not looking forward to any significant redesigns, especially as regards the decade/varitone and/or coil taps, passive treble & bass tone knobs, and the pups themselves - stacked humbuckers with blade polepeiies).
..... then again, since this is waaaay out of my price range, the thing I am looking forward to most is clarification on the circuit (i.e. pot taper). I don't expect that too many parts (pups, the master switch, which is a little hard to find, the "bass" knob) to come up on ebay due to the short run.
........and did somebody say white? I don't get to gloat often:
As she came to me (paid CAN$800) - hard to tell but one tuner was busted and the control plate was cracked and badly repaired at the jack, strap buttons removed and replaced with 2" screws holding those stap clips on (so solid and reliable, that I never bothered to fix that)... in addition to then yellowing/cigarette tar (she was a working girl from Montreal):
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/Triumph/FullFrontal.jpg)
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/Triumph/FromBehind2.JPG)
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/Triumph/FromBehind1.JPG)
How I fixed her up:
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/Triumph/CleanedUp/FullFrontal.JPG)
Some much nicer specimens (starting with one that went for US4k the very week after I got mine - needless to say I felt like a bandit):
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/Triumph/Rare%20White%20Paula%20Ebay%20Auction_files/DSC00033.jpg)
that price was amazing considering things like:
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/Triumph/Rare%20White%20Paula%20Ebay%20Auction_files/DSC00039.jpg)
A slightly mintier one (none ever sold for quite as much as the above one ever again as far as I know)... or at least less yellowed:
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/Triumph/Kris/74-5WhiteTriumph2.jpg)
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Truly interesting. Gibson had an article out about Les and his Recordings just a few weeks ago:
http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/les-paul-the-recording-model-1113-2012.aspx (http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/les-paul-the-recording-model-1113-2012.aspx)
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To grant it to Gibson, due to the Les Paul affiliation/idoltry, there is a way better chance of these being sold to guitarists than to bassists. I'm not aware of any name-bassist (Rob and Jake excepted of course, but they only started once they had been out of production for twenty years or so!) who played the Triumph basses (either version) for any relevant period of time continuously in the seventies though people like Suzi Q were of course seen with one (or the original bassist of Oasis). In contrast, Les Paul and his guitar became one in the last few decades of his life.
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Tina Weymouth and the dudes from Blondie, U2 and Blur as a start. Adam Clayton especially is a big current user (didn't someone post a link to an interview/his blog or something recently where he was singing it's praises? ... ah here we go: http://u2-stage-and-studio.com/adam/id18.html), though he's mostly irrelevant now (and also switches up a lot - his roster also includes an RD, Rivoli, multiple TBirds, LP Sig, numerous Ps and even a Warwick sig model which looks like exactly the sort of blingy overstated waste of wood that you'd expect as a sig model for a super-successful earlier in life but now middle-aged bassist whose frontman begrudgingly admits to missing out on the (post-)punk thing... actually more so).
I get what you're saying but they do have a huge cult following besides Rob and Myself (evidence includes steady upward price trajectory, especially for the pups, on ebay). Add in the general appeal of the regular Les Paul (6 banger or 4, take yer pick - you gotta know that the popularity of the 6 banger really helped the sales of the HiZ 4 bangers, which now enjoy a solid rep of their own) and there's enough potential interest to make a business case.
That all said I agree it's not bloody likely (which I forgot to mention earlier, in my excitement to post gear porn). ... but that's never stopped us from discussing our hopes and dreams before; hell, maybe the Gibson R&D team lurks the boards, your sig seems to hope so too. Gibson has learned to be cautious and test the waters for new models lately.
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Well, I love my Triumph and play it regularly. Its one annoying flaw, in my eyes, is its weight. Otherwise, it's a great bass and I'd love another, knowing of course, any Gibson reissue would be very little like the original! :P
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To grant it to Gibson, due to the Les Paul affiliation/idoltry, there is a way better chance of these being sold to guitarists than to bassists. I'm not aware of any name-bassist (Rob and Jake excepted of course, but they only started once they had been out of production for twenty years or so!) who played the Triumph basses (either version) for any relevant period of time continuously in the seventies though people like Suzi Q were of course seen with one (or the original bassist of Oasis). In contrast, Les Paul and his guitar became one in the last few decades of his life.
I played my new OSB Les Paul out last Wednesday night, and it got lot's of compliments on how it sounded. However, both musicians and non-musicians asked me "Why are you playing a Les Paul? Aren't you the bass player? " The worst comment I got was "Wow - I really love your new Slash guitar!" :sad: I would have rather heard "Hey, that's the Meshell The Neglected Cello bass!"
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I get compliments on mine all the time. About half from other bass players, and not any groaners like you got. ... obviously this is part of the LoZ charm and therefore they should reissue it.
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Played my two tone burst over flame top Epi LP last night. I didn't really care if the girl I was making out with at the after party thought I was playing a guitar. 8)
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Well, I love my Triumph and play it regularly. Its one annoying flaw, in my eyes, is its weight.
They can put out a lo z EB-0/3 as well, they gotta have something new next year too! They can call it the EB-3-II :)
Lo z + Lo weight = success.
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For that they can just reissue the LP Sig though (mmmmmn, prototype spec LPSig).
(http://www.flyguitars.com/graphics/LPsigbass73.jpg)
... though I'd want a deeper more acoustically useful body personally,..... so LoZ EB650/EB750 anyone :rimshot:
Also, way to turn this place into talkbass :P
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For that they can just reissue the LP Sig though (mmmmmn, prototype spec LPSig).
(http://www.flyguitars.com/graphics/LPsigbass73.jpg)
... though I'd want a deeper more acoustically useful body personally,..... so LoZ EB650/EB750 anyone :rimshot:
Also, way to turn this place into talkbass :P
I don't see any 'Tort, it's not a P bass with flat, is it the best bass for mental?
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I don't see any 'Tort, it's not a P bass with flat, is it the best bass for mental?
Did you mean to say "mental"?
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I'm not aware of any name-bassist who played the Triumph basses (either version) for any relevant period of time continuously in the seventies though people like Suzi Q were of course seen with one (or the original bassist of Oasis). In contrast, Les Paul and his guitar became one in the last few decades of his life.
Don't forget Robert P Kearns.
The Triumph was his main bass during the Cry Of Love years in the nineties.
These days he mainly plays the reissued Les Paul Signature (Epi JCS ;) )
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I don't see any 'Tort, it's not a P bass with flat, is it the best bass for mental?
The first 2 points are universal truths Frauline :P
I was referring to complaining about bass weight.
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I still get a lot of questions about the Les Paul bass. "Where did you get a LP BASS???" "Is that a 60s???" "They made a LP BASS???"
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When I had my Triumph in the early 80s I'd get questions like "Did you have a guitar converted into a bass?"
:rolleyes:
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Did you mean to say "mental"?
Yes Dave, I did ;)
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For that they can just reissue the LP Sig though (mmmmmn, prototype spec LPSig).
(http://www.flyguitars.com/graphics/LPsigbass73.jpg)
... though I'd want a deeper more acoustically useful body personally,..... so LoZ EB650/EB750 anyone :rimshot:
Also, way to turn this place into talkbass :P
Since when did the LP Sig have a maho neck? All the ones I have seen have a three piece maple neck and sound like it too.
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Since when did the LP Sig have a maho neck? All the ones I have seen have a three piece maple neck and sound like it too.
Maybe only prototypes were mahogany? If there was mahogany neck ones they probably all end up in collectors hands :)
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Since when did the LP Sig have a maho neck? All the ones I have seen have a three piece maple neck and sound like it too.
Don't shoot the messenger, that's official Gibby lit not my word. My understanding (as implied in my post) was that these were the prototype specs (note the pup - it appears to be a cream coloured, possibly gold like the L6S, oval shaped Triumph pup, and is described as such verbally vs the square LPSig/Cassidy pup we all know from the production models... also dual output jacks, I assume for seperate Hi and Lo Z outs) and that these specs changed at some point before production began or not very long into it, though I don't think any of us have ever seen one (other than Rob's fabulous recreation, which was inspired by the discovery of that pic way back in the Pit days IIRC... also I think you said the same thing back then re the neck).
This (the spec change, at least as regards the neck, God only knows why they changed the pup - very much unlike Gibson to design something from scratch when there's a suitable component in the parts drawer) was likely because at the time they were changing all basses from shorty maho necks to for maple long scales anyway (see the EB0 and 3 of that period, as well as the recently introduced EB0/3L and later EB4L which had no shorty version - EB0s changed to maple in 72, LPSig was released in 73, EB4L in 72, and first production long scale in 70). Frankly, I wish they never did, hence my Homer Simpson impression.
... so yeah, I want a maho shorty neck LPSig with Triumph pup and a deeper body. Not happening even if I could afford it.
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... so yeah, I want a maho shorty neck LPSig with Triumph pup and a deeper body. Not happening even if I could afford it.
Something like...
this:
(http://www.enkoo.nl/uploads/1/3/3/7/13376708/3161345_orig.jpg)
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Something yes (and you know it, damn you!)... though the offset lower cutaway of the LPSig is really sexy (and ergonomic for really getting in there like I like to) and a much a deeper body (really I'd like something like that limited edition Hofner in the other thread, or the Gretsch in the same thread).
... and just to make things difficult, a single LoZ pup in a P position (give or take) LPSig position with a mudbucker in the neck, but as you know I don't have the funds for the Bach even.
A man can dream.
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My understanding (as implied in my post) was that these were the prototype specs (note the pup - it appears to be a cream coloured, possibly gold like the L6S, oval shaped Triumph pup, and is described as such verbally vs the square LPSig/Cassidy pup we all know from the production models..
Now where did I read that the pickup was white… Thought it was here at the outpost. I´ve seen white lo z in pictures, but I don't think I have seen pics of the whole prototype instrument other than this ad. Looks white in the ad too.
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Yes that was this pic. From Daniel "Doombass" Soder
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/doombass/Gibson/LPsigpup5.jpg)
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I find maple body and maho neck an unsavory combination, unlike the reverse option (maho body and maple neck) which seems to work (Fenderbird and quite a few Fareastern basses). Of course, the assertiveness of the LP Sig stems from the fact that both body and neck are maple.
And I only realize this now - after all these years, shameful really :-[ :-[ :-[ - the Epi JC does have a maho neck (and one piece to boot, I just checked mine)
http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Bass/Jack-Casady-Signature-Bass.aspx
which all of the sudden solves my eternal conundrum why the Epi JC (not a bad bass by any means) doesn't have the authority and snap of the original, it is warmer, but also more docile.
Such irony, so in a way the Epi is closer to the Gibson prototype than the reg production Gibby ever was. Nashville (and Kalamazoo or were the LP Sigs already made in Memphis?) work in mysterious ways.
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Yes that was this pic. From Daniel "Doombass" Soder
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/doombass/Gibson/LPsigpup5.jpg)
sigh... It's so beautiful, so pure..
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Close enough - the pic is B&W after all. It certainl;y is perty in white (though I suspect that is actually cream that has aged out of the sun in someone's parts drawer). Interesting that unlike the black and gold versions, it doesn't have the Gibson logo on it.
Thanks Uwe for the update/reminder on the LPSig vs Cassidy. I know you like your assertiveness, but I often find that sort of thing overbearing and would probably prefer the docility (which I would call mellowness) of the Cassidy (which I have played and liked).
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The LP Sig isn't abrasive, just commanding in tone. Like an angry P Bass, The JC has more traditional Gibson warmth and indeed musical mellowness that slips in everywhere.
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One man's assertive is another's abrassive; your description of the JC is not making me change my mind that I'd prefer the maho neck. You know I am a mud fan and what that says about my tonal tastes.
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I like mud too, it has its place, but the JC isn't really a mud monster either. But I'm no fan of the maho neck (combined with a maple hollow body) on the EB-2 and the EB-750 either.
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I understand there is only one mud, but that's my side of the spectrum, I mean. I avoid anything that even approaches the possibility of clank, and like only very little bite or aggressive forwardness. LoZ pups, the most similar pup to the LPSig (identical, to the 6 banger version anyway, which I assure you is very much like the bass version, if we're talking my dream 'prototype spec'), have this in common with mud (sure, underwound tap in bridge position gets somewhat clanky, but you know I don't give a damn about bridge position... on a bass anyway. ... I actually like the ability to have that sound mind you, despite never ever thinking I'd use it ) without being muddy at all and I prefer the 60s EB0/3s to the 70s ones with maple necks (they are more assertive.... not that I would call them such, but by comparison). Mud has a few key characteristics, with bassy-as-f&%! being just the most dickslap-in-the-faceiest of them.
Bite is for guitars; quit tryin to be Blackmore on bass :-* or who am I to talk, half the time I play bass like a Keif riff... and half of that probably comes out more like Duffy, :toast:
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My sound today is totally untrebly!
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LOL
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It is! People who played with me, say, 20 years ago ask today: "Where did all your treble go?"
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sigh... It's so beautiful, so pure..
Here's what it looks like flipped around:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/doombass/Gibson/LPsigpup4.jpg)
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White epoxy.. That pup´s got a nice behind! Thanks for sharing. It would be perfect for my polaris white Lo z EB0 project.
Can´t have too much white :)
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It's great to see the old gang again! Daniel & Jake.
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S'up, bud!
That white LoZ pup sure looks good. Where/how did you get it?
Yesterday I noticed the difference between the gold version and the standard (black or white) versions - the gold plating acts as a shield (I was tracking down some buzz on my project guitar, broke a ground connection when messing around with something else). There is the possibility that this is redundant (e.g. a metal can or lining on the inside of the plastic cover), but I doubt that.
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Here's the posting from when I stumbled across that pickup: http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=570.0 (http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=570.0)
It's still resting in my parts drawer because it's quite busy times at the moment. Work, business, house, kids, old parents who need some help, but at least some rehearsals and occational gigs. Life is moving fast right now but it's all fine.