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Gear Discussion Forums => Other Bass Brands => Topic started by: dadagoboi on December 12, 2015, 07:46:54 AM
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Been considering one for a while, this popped up on Reverb...looks pretty clean. ;)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/02_zpstwwzqq5z.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/02_zpstwwzqq5z.jpg.html)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/14_zpsitmrtc5k.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/14_zpsitmrtc5k.jpg.html)
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Cool!
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Carlo, that H-22 looks to be in great shape and to have the OSSC with it in the same condition is a rare find. Congrats on your score!
I use to have an H-22 many years ago and have recently been hankering for a "true semi acoustic" bass to noodle around the house with. The H-22's I found online seemed overly expensive to me for what they were. My alternative was an original Swedish Hagstrom Concord, another bass that I've also owned in the past and really enjoyed.
Luckily I found a 1967 Hagstrom Concord for sale about 2.5 hours away from me by car. I made an offer subject to a hands on inspection which was accepted. It's condition was very good and the price was quite reasonable, so I bought it. I own a copy of Hagstrom`s production records with all serial numbers of every instrument they made, so it was easy for me to trace it which was how I was able to see that it was made in 67. Here`s a photo.
(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/Thornton_Davis/DSC00851_zpsocglm30u.jpg) (http://s498.photobucket.com/user/Thornton_Davis/media/DSC00851_zpsocglm30u.jpg.html)
TD
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That Concord is sweet, TD! Only Hagstrom I've ever owned was the 60s Stratocaster looking bass with plastic face , anodized swimming pool and the switches. The neck was bad when I got it in '73. After that I always wondered how they managed an 8 string neck.
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Now you're ready to honk out some Spencer Davis!
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Now you're ready to honk out some Spencer Davis!
Or some Small Faces!
https://youtu.be/ksE3uTKf5MA
https://youtu.be/jiUyipjXgfo
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I really like both the H-22 and the Hagstrom. G.A.S. is ever-present!
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H-22s are tres cool. Coming from Olivia's I expect that it will be a good one.
Check out The Ugly Beats (Austin garage/surf band) for some H-22 action. Jason Gentry on bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAEWfYQVFw8
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That Concord is sweet, TD! Only Hagstrom I've ever owned was the 60s Stratocaster looking bass with plastic face , anodized swimming pool and the switches. The neck was bad when I got it in '73. After that I always wondered how they managed an 8 string neck.
I had a Hag 8 string from 1971 till about 10 years ago. That H thing they do with the neck is outstanding. The neck was slim ,about on par with a Gibson 335 guitar, and strong as they come. I believe I could have used it for a pry bar with no ill effects ;D.
Rick
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There's a 4-string Concord on Ebay now pushing $1000...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hagstrom-Concord-bass-guitar-late-sixties-extremely-rare-/291580556050?hash=item43e38e3312:g:WX8AAOSw42JWEDGT
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There's a 4-string Concord on Ebay now pushing $1000...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hagstrom-Concord-bass-guitar-late-sixties-extremely-rare-/291580556050?hash=item43e38e3312:g:WX8AAOSw42JWEDGT
That's a BIN and looks like it's been up since early November.
I had a solidbody 60s Hag like the one Carlo had, they always interested me but the necks are just too thin for me.
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There's a 4-string Concord on Ebay now pushing $1000...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hagstrom-Concord-bass-guitar-late-sixties-extremely-rare-/291580556050?hash=item43e38e3312:g:WX8AAOSw42JWEDGT
Wow, that's $1360.00 Cdn. I paid a lot less than that for mine. This one's from production run 696 which produced 1000 of them in 67. The serial number appears to have been cloned out of the photos of the steel back plate but you can tell by the bridge.
TD
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Arrived Thursday. Time machine complete with original flats! No fret wear, straight neck. Plays and sounds great. A little oil on the fretboard and tuners and done!
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/P1090373P_zpsntanpoqk.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/P1090373P_zpsntanpoqk.jpg.html)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/P1090368P_zps2vvhradk.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/P1090368P_zps2vvhradk.jpg.html)
The 'baritone' switch sounds good in either position. Combined with the tone knob there's a lot of sound options.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/P1090370P_zps6udgfjn0.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/P1090370P_zps6udgfjn0.jpg.html)
'I'm a Man' Live, ragged Winwood vocal.
https://youtu.be/rBm_v2v90fc
Time to sell the EB-2.
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Keep those flats on there!!
That Spencer Davis Group cut is in my top five favorites of all time.
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I sing that song in my band...always been one of my favorites also.
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Keep those flats on there!!
I have flats on about 20 of my basses. The difference is these have guitar ball ends on them What looks like a tailpiece cover is the actual tailpiece. Changing the strings would require modding it for bass ball ends. I won't be doing that.
My fave SDG song
https://youtu.be/kamXvqoL_JA
First time I heard it was on a jukebox in a black club. No idea they were white .
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That old Harmony owns the thumpy/farty sound of hollowbody bass from those days. And he's playing with a thumb pick, one of the few clips I've seen showing that.
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That old Harmony owns the thumpy/farty sound of hollowbody bass from those days. And he's playing with a thumb pick, one of the few clips I've seen showing that.
Covers the EB-2/Rivoli Animals/Yardbirds sounds perfectly but has other useful tones. Plus it's a lot more fun to play. Weighs 6 lbs.
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Nice, that looks in top shape.
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Wow. Love it.
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Cool! I love Semis, either a Hagstrom like that above or a Harmony H27 (EB2 shape, double cutaway) are "bucket list" basses for me. I'm not sure why I dig in-line headstocks on these so much, but the Gretsch hollows with the pointy in-line headstocks always struck me as weird.
I thought somebody a few years ago re-issued a bunch of Harmony designs, has anyone around here played one of those?
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I thought somebody a few years ago re-issued a bunch of Harmony designs, has anyone around here played one of those?
They RI'd the H-22. Set neck and better tuners. There's one on Ebay/Reverb for $400 shipped.
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I've heard that the reissues are okay but don't sound like the originals. Never seen one in person though.
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I've heard that the reissues are okay but don't sound like the originals. Never seen one in person though.
Well they don't come with 50 year old flats. They're really shiny, though.
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The bass roars in the old SDG recordings...I remember being 16 or so and I bought a Stevie Winwood compilation for the Traffic tunes...also on it were the Spencer Davis tunes.
The SDG tunes sounded so much better to me...rhythm section locked in, and just sounding great.
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Looks like a really fun bass!
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Well they don't come with 50 year old flats. They're really shiny, though.
Here's (http://www.tdpri.com/forum/bass-place/575435-nbd-harmony-h22-reissue.html#post6517328) one of the user reports I've seen that talks about the differences.
This bass resembles the original Harmony H22 only in the remotest sense - it kind of has the same body shape, and the pickup LOOKS the same as the original. I'd say it was more of a "tribute" than a "reisssue." The color of the finish, pickguard, knobs and layout look like the original... but that's about as far as it goes. Everything else is... different.
So apparently 50 year old flats aren't the only difference. Whatever, I'm happy for you that you got an original in great shape.
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Nice bass, Carlo - congrats!
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Here's (http://www.tdpri.com/forum/bass-place/575435-nbd-harmony-h22-reissue.html#post6517328) one of the user reports I've seen that talks about the differences.
This bass resembles the original Harmony H22 only in the remotest sense - it kind of has the same body shape, and the pickup LOOKS the same as the original. I'd say it was more of a "tribute" than a "reisssue." The color of the finish, pickguard, knobs and layout look like the original... but that's about as far as it goes. Everything else is... different.
So apparently 50 year old flats aren't the only difference. Whatever, I'm happy for you that you got an original in great shape.
Thanks for that review, Dave! Did some minor disassembly yesterday. The pickup is surface mount, 3/8" tall! For some reason there's a factory route in the body under it, to let the sound in? Magnets are very hot, much hotter than a Thunderbird. I'm starting to really love the sound of P-90 style (wide and short) pups like this one and the DiMarzio in my B-301.
The guy complains about marred finish under the pick guard...it's the same on my bass and many other vintage ones I've seen. That's what happens in a mass production environment.
The H-22 came with an original 1970 catalog. The blurb on the back says "... Harmony produces more guitars than all other American dealers combined." Doesn't mention most of them were Silvertones.
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Beauty!
I love my H22. Had to buy 4 of them to learn not to sell it. Expensive lesson.
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Thanks for that review, Dave! Did some minor disassembly yesterday. The pickup is surface mount, 3/8" tall! For some reason there's a factory route in the body under it, to let the sound in? Magnets are very hot, much hotter than a Thunderbird. I'm starting to really love the sound of P-90 style (wide and short) pups like this one and the DiMarzio in my B-301.
The guy complains about marred finish under the pick guard...it's the same on my bass and many other vintage ones I've seen. That's what happens in a mass production environment.
The H-22 came with an original 1970 catalog. The blurb on the back says "... Harmony produces more guitars than all other American dealers combined." Doesn't mention most of them were Silvertones.
I didn't realize the B301 had a DiMarzio.
Harmony made a lot of brand names.
Sears owned Harmony for years. Not by the time the H22 was made though. Between Harmony and its role in Danelectro guitars and amps, Sears did have a lot to do with increasing the popularity of guitars last century. Now Sears is a dead company (barely) walking.
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Please, Sir, may I have another?
1963. Slightly different, rosewood block tailpiece with chrome cover. TR cover doesn't say 'Made in USA', wasn't really necessary in '63. Different top shading.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/63%20H%2022_zpsdn6pvuet.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/63%20H%2022_zpsdn6pvuet.jpg.html)
Oh, yeah. Broken trussrod. Other than that all original except missing neck screw ferrules. This pic is with my '66 neck. Same great tone and nearly mint. These are AP longscale flats, they're just long enough.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/P1090598P_zpsgmbyhwzg.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/P1090598P_zpsgmbyhwzg.jpg.html)
I attacked the neck as soon as the bass came in yesterday. After a mishap I decided to do some research. The trussrod is a dual rod but single action, pretty cool and cheap. Today I managed to remove the bord with lots of steam and new found patience. The twin rods came unbrazed probably because the hide glue bond to the adjustable rod was stronger than the weld. When someone tried to adjust it the weld broke. No real harm other than that. Plan is to complete the repair, reunite all original parts and sell the '66.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/P1090601P_zpse99vycpk.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/P1090601P_zpse99vycpk.jpg.html)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/P1090603_zpsgijbcmmi.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/P1090603_zpsgijbcmmi.jpg.html)
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Nice score, since you can repair it.
I wasn't aware that welded two-part trussrods were around that early.
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Nice score, since you can repair it.
I wasn't aware that welded two-part trussrods were around that early.
I wasn't either until yesterday. It's two rods but single action. They used the same setup on Harmony Sovereign guitars. Seems they could have just put a hairpin bend in a continuous rod and it would have been bulletproof. I do think its a better design than Gibson's single rod with an anchor. There's no compression of wood fibers except slightly to the bottom of the fretboard.
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(http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/25100000/Please-Spock-do-me-a-favor-and-don-t-say-it-s-fascinating-spock-and-bones-25142277-245-195.gif) :mrgreen:
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Had to do a Ronnie Lane tribute, he would have been 70 April 1. His H 22 is the only one I've ever seen with a black pick guard, I'd love to know the story. This one took about an hour and a half.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/Plonk%20Tribute_zpsm8lzcmlx.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/Plonk%20Tribute_zpsm8lzcmlx.jpg.html)
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I played John Stirratts reissue and some on fairs. An okay bass, but quite different than old ones yes. But certainly not bad and good lookers. They look a bit too shiny:)
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https://reverb.com/news/take-a-photo-tour-of-the-1904-harmony-instrument-factory?_aid=listingrelatedarticle (https://reverb.com/news/take-a-photo-tour-of-the-1904-harmony-instrument-factory?_aid=listingrelatedarticle)
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Got the rebrazed rod back from Steve yesterday, glued up the neck and board after the ball game and installed it on the '63 this morning after putting the '66 neck back where it belongs.
Farewell picture, the '66 (top) will be off to San Francisco to Stephen (copacetic).
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/P1090780P1_zpsuu1eepga.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/P1090780P1_zpsuu1eepga.jpg.html)
I have a feeling these things might be going up in value...
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/TAL%20H-22_zpssmiqaup6.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/TAL%20H-22_zpssmiqaup6.jpg.html)
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Solo at 4:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3VqpX3GVdo
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Hmmm.. Thats a big change from her Sadowsky. Looks like she is also wirting and singing her own songs. Nice tone there sh's getting. I wonder if that is one of the reissues? The tuners on initial observation.
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That's an original late 60s, you can tell by the tailpiece, look of the fretboard, and size of the face dots. Tuners have been replaced, all it takes is a little oil to make the originals work fine.
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I did it again...
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/s-1_zpsxue98nlp.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/s-1_zpsxue98nlp.jpg.html)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/s-6_zpsruy7fvwy.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/s-6_zpsruy7fvwy.jpg.html)
Popped up on Ebay this AM, complete except for bridge and one tuner ferrule. I get to try out my rosewood carving skills. Neck appears to have side dots, always a good thing! The others have none with the necks shaded black up to the top of the fretboard. This one must be a later model.
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Had to do a Ronnie Lane tribute, he would have been 70 April 1. His H 22 is the only one I've ever seen with a black pick guard, I'd love to know the story. This one took about an hour and a half.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/Plonk%20Tribute_zpsm8lzcmlx.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/Plonk%20Tribute_zpsm8lzcmlx.jpg.html)
I asked around ..... This is the reaction I got from Barry Best on the Steve Marriott FB page:
Your right it's an anomaly. It's actually black sticky backed plastic. I spoke to Mac about it when I met him. His actual words were ' you know, that stuff you used to cover your kitchen cupboard doors with'
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I asked around ..... This is the reaction I got from Barry Best on the Steve Marriott FB page:
Your right it's an anomaly. It's actually black sticky backed plastic. I spoke to Mac about it when I met him. His actual words were ' you know, that stuff you used to cover your kitchen cupboard doors with'
What we call 'contact paper' over here. I thought it might have been paint.
Thanks for checking it out, nice to know Ronnie was a DIYer!
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Carlo, you're becoming the national H-22 rehab expert.
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He should rename his workshop 'the plonk farm'. :P
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Now you have to make a cream pickguard and put black contact paper on it. You know, for historical accuracy. :P
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According to Barry, Plonk had 2 H22's, the one with the black PG and one without a PG. So removing the white PG seems much easier to get it right as far as historical accuracy is concerned...... ;D
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Carlo, you're becoming the national H-22 rehab expert.
All the other markets seem to be cornered, so why not! They're still relatively inexpensive and look and sound unique. If I have a chance of getting back the money and time I have in one, I'll buy it. Replacing the broken truss rod in the '63 was easy and there's not much else I can't do. Steve's always available for pickup rewinding.
Almost bought a Vox Apollo the day before I bought the latest H-22, glad I passed on it.
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I would think that a rehabbed H-22 would be a lot easier to flip than a Vox Apollo.
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I would think that a rehabbed H-22 would be a lot easier to flip than a Vox Apollo.
I wasn't planning on buying it to flip, but I agree.
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Hey, I'm a newcomer from sweden. Been looking a while and enjoying the enormous knowledge flying these pages. My H22 is a very restored one. Was a wreck but now really cool and unique looking. Tuners, pickup and bridge have been replaced. The pickup is a 60's crucianelli one. Sounds ok but I'm looking for a real one. Also after a headstock logo as the top, surface, of the headstock has been restored too.
It's from the early sixties, like 1961.
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Hey, I'm a newcomer from sweden. Been looking a while and enjoying the enormous knowledge flying these pages. My H22 is a very restored one. Was a wreck but now really cool and unique looking. Tuners, pickup and bridge have been replaced. The pickup is a 60's crucianelli one. Sounds ok but I'm looking for a real one. Also after a headstock logo as the top, surface, of the headstock has been restored too.
It's from the early sixties, like 1961.
If we don't know we just make stuff up! Good luck finding an original pickup or headstock logo. I've never seen either come up on Ebay or Reverb. Does yours still have the wood tailpiece?
Welcome!
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Thanks for the welcome and reply!
It doesn't have the wooden bridge.
A trapeeze tailpiece was installed when it was brought back to life.
I'll post more pics later, ok!
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You only need accuracy if you want to collect/sell, imho
Välkommen...! :mrgreen:
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Welcome Mikbass!
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmony-H-22-1-hollowbody-bass-guitar-w-OSSC-EXC-/262488664983?hash=item3d1d8b2b97:g:yHEAAOSw2GlXFZbW
Clean double cut version on eBay now. Not cheap tho. Are the double cut models "rare" like he mentions?
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A lot fewer of the H-22/1 were sold, it replaced the H-22 and sales were probably already falling. I wouldn't call it rare, though.
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Hey, I'm a newcomer from sweden. Been looking a while and enjoying the enormous knowledge flying these pages. My H22 is a very restored one. Was a wreck but now really cool and unique looking. Tuners, pickup and bridge have been replaced. The pickup is a 60's crucianelli one. Sounds ok but I'm looking for a real one. Also after a headstock logo as the top, surface, of the headstock has been restored too.
That looks like a Maxon pickup, though I could be wrong. Some people rave about them. Not sure how it stacks up against the original pickup.
This thread has made me want to dig out my Small Faces CDs.
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This thread has made me want to dig out my Small Faces CDs.
That ain't a bad thing ! 8)
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I love the Small Faces :)
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Edited.
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...and another!
My Christmas present just arrived! Sunday morning Ebay find. Early 60's Harmony H-22 project. Somebody stripped and refinned it. Missing the bridge, guard and tuners. Gonna be fun!
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/P1100453_zpsicjuxou0.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/P1100453_zpsicjuxou0.jpg.html)
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That will be a cutie when you're done with it!
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That will be a cutie when you're done with it!
It may end up being the keeper of the three I now own. There's no date stamp in the top F hole but I think it's a very early one. The rosewood fretboard has the nicest material/workmanship and the maple veneer has some figure .
I was going to sunburst it but now that it's arrived I'm pretty sure natural will be the way to go. The H-22 that never was!
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That ones pretty smooth in Natural Carlo.
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Yes a real breather.
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Looks to be in pretty good shape too.
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Looks to be in pretty good shape too.
Trussrod might be a problem, there's some rust. I'll soak it in WD 40 before attempting to turn the nut. But all in all better than expected. The strip job was well done, all the edges are crisp and bindings intact. It was missing the TRC which was in the Ebay pix. I contacted the seller, he found it and is sending it out.
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Does it have the wood block or string-through bridge? Have you compared the two? Any thoughts?
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Does it have the wood block or string-through bridge? Have you compared the two? Any thoughts?
It's an early one so it has the rosewood block tailpiece under the cover. The other two rosewood block ones I have sounded the same as the '66 with the string thru metal tailpiece that looks like a cover.
I like the rosewood block with the cover. It's 'quick release' compared to the one piece string thru and I'm always for that option. I also don't like the four large screws on the all metal one.
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It's an early one so it has the rosewood block tailpiece under the cover. The other two rosewood block ones I have sounded the same as the '66 with the string thru metal tailpiece that looks like a cover.
I like the rosewood block with the cover. It's 'quick release' compared to the one piece string thru and I'm always for that option. I also don't like the four large screws on the all metal one.
That is exactly what i thought. I've owned 3. My current one has the string through metal cover (no block) and I couldn't tell a difference but I also prefer the block from a construction standpoint.
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:popcorn:
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That is exactly what i thought. I've owned 3. My current one has the string through metal cover (no block) and I couldn't tell a difference but I also prefer the block from a construction standpoint.
Great basses, as you know. Love to see a picture if you have one!
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Great basses, as you know. Love to see a picture if you have one!
They all look the same - ha ha
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/prismacolor2/h-22-1.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/prismacolor2/media/h-22-1.jpg.html)
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I think it would be great to see one in a classic solid color like Lake Placid Blue
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I think it would be great to see one in a classic solid color like Lake Placid Blue
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Why would you want a Harmony in a classic Fender color?
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Why would you want a Harmony in a classic Fender color?
Any solid color treatment. I just chose LPB as an example. I think it would look great with the binding and guard.
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I think it would be great to see one in a classic solid color like Lake Placid Blue
Maybe the NEXT one!
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Threw it against the wall to see if it would stick:
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Harmony%20H-22/P1100575_zpsc2ipgwdg.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Harmony%20H-22/P1100575_zpsc2ipgwdg.jpg.html)
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