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Title: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Dave W on November 01, 2009, 09:16:54 AM
You never know where it's been (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1223563/The-woman-knife--swallowing-entire-canteen-cutlery.html)  :o

Looks nice and shiny.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: rahock on November 01, 2009, 09:37:58 AM
She could probably sue several resteraunts for serving meals with out proper instructions on what to eat and what not to eat ;).
Rick
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: lowend1 on November 01, 2009, 05:02:44 PM
She could probably sue several resteraunts for serving meals with out proper instructions on what to eat and what not to eat ;).
Rick

Only here in the US ;D
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: uwe on November 02, 2009, 03:35:40 AM
She was probably a magpie in an earlier life. Amazing that she survived too. I'd recommend cuttlery made from digestible plastic in the future, vitamin-enriched.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Denis on November 02, 2009, 08:56:08 AM
She was probably a magpie in an earlier life.

THAT is brilliant!
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Pilgrim on November 02, 2009, 09:17:38 AM
And of course, it never occurred to her that this might be a teeny little problem.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Denis on November 02, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Too bad she doesn't want to swallow swords; she'd be a natural for a sideshow act.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: lowend1 on November 03, 2009, 05:02:25 AM
She was probably a magpie in an earlier life.

A species not commonly referenced here in the US - outside of Heckle and Jeckle cartoons, anyway. ;D
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: SKATE RAT on November 03, 2009, 06:12:51 AM
i thought Heckle and Jeckle were crows
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Pilgrim on November 03, 2009, 09:06:19 AM
They look more like crows to me, but the world's untimate authority on everything (wikipedia) sez Magpies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckle_and_Jeckle
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: uwe on November 03, 2009, 09:15:40 AM
Don't you have magpies in the US? I didn't know.


(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.natur-5seenland.de/Bedr.Vogelarten/bilder1/Elster2.jpg&usg=AFQjCNEKF_vRAx9ujoG7eXHlb0FCqeJSyA)


A relative to crows and ravens, it's a pretty and smart bird, quite combative too though their reputation as nest robbers eradicating all other species is a myth. It used to be rather rare in urban places, but judging from how often you see it in recent years, it has - like the blackbird which was solely a forest bird a hundred years ago - become hemerophile (now there's a word to look up!) over time.  
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: uwe on November 03, 2009, 09:19:06 AM
Heckle and Jeckle were crows. And weren't they created to sport traits associated with black people which has seen them fall into (undeserved) pc disgrace?
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Pilgrim on November 03, 2009, 09:32:44 AM
Heckle and Jeckle were crows. And weren't they created to sport traits associated with black people which has seen them fall into (undeserved) pc disgrace?

I think that's right....although one had a Brooklyn accent, the other a British accent.  But they've disappeared along with Speedy Gonzales, and the Tijuana Toads, and Forghorn Leghorn (parody of rednecks?  I haven't figured that one out).
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Dave W on November 03, 2009, 09:38:47 AM
Heckle and Jeckle were always said to be magpies in the cartoons. Sure they didn't look anything like magpies, but since when do cartoons look accurate?

Yes we have magpies, more in the western states.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Dave W on November 03, 2009, 09:44:03 AM
I think that's right....although one had a Brooklyn accent, the other a British accent.  But they've disappeared along with Speedy Gonzales, and the Tijuana Toads, and Forghorn Leghorn (parody of rednecks?  I haven't figured that one out).

Foghorn Leghorn was based on Senator Beauregard Claghorn, a radio character on the Fred Allen Show played by Kenny Delmar. I read an interview with Delmar, who I think was from Boston, he said the idea for the character came from a train trip he took where he sat next to a long-winded Texan who talked like that.

He made a movie, too: http://www.archive.org/details/its_a_joke_son (no way would this be made today).
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: uwe on November 03, 2009, 01:20:58 PM
Dave is - as always - right:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/PicaPica.jpg/400px-PicaPica.jpg)

This where the Elster (German for magpie, a thieving magpie is a "diebische Elster") lives. My guess is that they reached the Western US via Siberia/Alaska, a Communist bird then in the land of the free. They're great survivors - you won't get rid of them ever!  :mrgreen: Serves you right for flooding us with your darn Colorado beetle and racoons.  ;)
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: rahock on November 03, 2009, 02:42:28 PM
Foghorn Leghorn was based on Senator Beauregard Claghorn, a radio character on the Fred Allen Show played by Kenny Delmar. I read an interview with Delmar, who I think was from Boston, he said the idea for the character came from a train trip he took where he sat next to a long-winded Texan who talked like that.

He made a movie, too: http://www.archive.org/details/its_a_joke_son (no way would this be made today).

Dave, Dave , Dave, I don't know where you come up with this stuff but that cannot possibly be correct. I'm quite certain that the basis of both Foghorn Leghorn and Boss Hogg was none other than my uncle Hubert down in Arkansas . He was a politician and  mayor of a city ( that shall remain nameless ) down there. If you ever saw him speak I'm sure you'd disregard your story and side with me ;)
Rick
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: lowend1 on November 03, 2009, 03:31:56 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/lowend1/heckle-and-jeckle.jpg)
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Pilgrim on November 03, 2009, 09:20:48 PM
That's a nice...I SAY, THAT'S A NICE ONE!!!!
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Freuds_Cat on November 04, 2009, 03:38:45 AM
We have Magpies in Australia but they look (and are about the same size, quite big birds) more like a black and white Crow, completely different bird though. They make a fantastic oogling singing sound. They are one of the most common birds in the country.

These birds each learn a part of their familys song. If a Magpie comes into that familys territory and cant sing a specific part of the family song then the rest will attack it and chase it out of the territory. They are very symbolic here, almost as much as the Kangaroo.

I saw the Magpies when I lived in England.................    "Thats not a Magpie!"   ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzAa1sqXOik&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: uwe on November 04, 2009, 05:12:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SAUzOlvryw&feature=PlayList&p=2AE5BA4DF2AEDA6C&index=1
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: uwe on November 04, 2009, 05:14:47 AM
We have Magpies in Australia but they look (and are about the same size, quite big birds) more like a black and white Crow, completely different bird though. They make a fantastic oogling singing sound. They are one of the most common birds in the country.

These birds each learn a part of their familys song. If a Magpie comes into that familys territory and cant sing a specific part of the family song then the rest will attack it and chase it out of the territory. They are very symbolic here, almost as much as the Kangaroo.

I saw the Magpies when I lived in England.................    "Thats not a Magpie!"   ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzAa1sqXOik&feature=player_embedded

Those aren't magpies, they're condors!!!!  :mrgreen: With all the weird creatures you have down there, human life forms can't possibly be normal either.  ;)
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Pilgrim on November 04, 2009, 08:18:46 AM
I love the way threads in this forum turn 90 degrees into unknown territory at the smallest prompt. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Dave W on November 04, 2009, 09:03:02 AM
I always wondered why a cartoon about two magpies had "Listen To The Mockingbird" as its theme song.

I suppose "Listen to Two Talking Magpies" hasn't been written yet.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: uwe on November 04, 2009, 10:57:28 AM
I just noticed that you guys have common ravens (not crows, we're talking about the big guys) too

(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Kolkrabe.jpg&usg=AFQjCNHmCiscxzydT6KO6_7UXtQNf7MsIw)


and it seems that they are doing better than their magpie siblings in conquering North America. Only parts of the old Confederacy are still holding out. Figures, given that bird's particular color ...  ;D ;)


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Corvus_corax_map.jpg)

Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on November 04, 2009, 02:51:59 PM
Swallowing all that silverware is SO sick!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi-yo~ Silver----away!
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: lowend1 on November 04, 2009, 05:06:36 PM
We haven't yet discussed the Blue-Footed Booby...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/lowend1/68-blue_footed_booby.jpg)
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Pilgrim on November 04, 2009, 05:23:37 PM
We haven't yet discussed the Blue-Footed Booby...

I can just GUESS that we're about to head into new territory from this point on.....so I'll blaze a path...although I admit this pic is short on feet.

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/halle-berry.jpg)
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Dave W on November 04, 2009, 05:58:21 PM
I'll bet those are real. 

The bird's feet, that is. ;)

Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Dave W on November 04, 2009, 06:01:42 PM
I just noticed that you guys have common ravens (not crows, we're talking about the big guys) too

and it seems that they are doing better than their magpie siblings in conquering North America. Only parts of the old Confederacy are still holding out. Figures, given that bird's particular color ...  ;D ;)


We do have grackles. If you can't find them in their natural habitats, you can just go to a supermarket parking lot and watch them scavenge for food.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Pilgrim on November 04, 2009, 06:27:14 PM
I had grackles once.....

But I went to the doctor and got rid of them. 

Ba-da-BIM!  Thank ya folks, we're here all week.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: uwe on November 05, 2009, 03:01:39 AM
I can just GUESS that we're about to head into new territory from this point on.....so I'll blaze a path...although I admit this pic is short on feet.

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/halle-berry.jpg)

(Rubbing eyes ...) Is that Hale Berry?  :-\ I don't remember her that way - would have been cumbersome in that Cat Woman (not as bad a film as everybody said, I've seen worse comic suoerhero adaptions) suit. It baffles me that someone with real acting talent - she played that role in Monster Ball wonderfullly - would do something like this. And I think she is past the age where cup size should be decisive for a role, her agent should have a chat with her.

Benefit of doubt: She had a baby and breastfeeding has pleasent side effects even for the not so immediate beneficiaries. Nature can be lavish in that way.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Highlander on November 06, 2009, 05:38:45 PM
Trying to do the decent, upstanding thing...

(http://www.pacificislandbooks.com/JPEGS/Magpie%20Goose.jpg)

Not a corvid, but still called a "magpie"...

anyone remember the poem...? "one for sorrow, two for joy, etc..."

One time we were heading to the RSPB headquarters by an off main road route and we came upon a tree absolutely full of magpies - well in excess of 100 of them...

Mind you, we used to get up to 5000 rose ring neck parakeets just up the road from us, until the rugby club decided to lop a few of their lombardy poplars to make way for some phone masts... another alien invader now naturalised...
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Freuds_Cat on November 07, 2009, 04:40:01 PM
I just noticed that you guys have common ravens (not crows, we're talking about the big guys) too

(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Kolkrabe.jpg&usg=AFQjCNHmCiscxzydT6KO6_7UXtQNf7MsIw)


and it seems that they are doing better than their magpie siblings in conquering North America. Only parts of the old Confederacy are still holding out. Figures, given that bird's particular color ...  ;D ;)


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Corvus_corax_map.jpg)



Here we have mostly Ravens. Crows live mainly further inland in the desert and there is a lot less of them. Funny thing is that everyone calls the Ravens Crows. Even the main Football team is called the Adelaide Crows and South Australians are referred to as Croweaters. No accounting for accuracy of species here ;)

Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Denis on November 10, 2009, 10:49:08 AM
Don't you have magpies in the US? I didn't know.
(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.natur-5seenland.de/Bedr.Vogelarten/bilder1/Elster2.jpg&usg=AFQjCNEKF_vRAx9ujoG7eXHlb0FCqeJSyA)
A relative to crows and ravens, it's a pretty and smart bird, quite combative too though their reputation as nest robbers eradicating all other species is a myth. It used to be rather rare in urban places, but judging from how often you see it in recent years, it has - like the blackbird which was solely a forest bird a hundred years ago - become hemerophile (now there's a word to look up!) over time.  

I read part of a study recently about Magpies that was fascinating. When a white dot was attached to the black portion of the Magpie's breast and then put in front of a mirror, the Magpie looked at his reflection, then down at the white dot, then back at the reflection then proceeded to remove the white dot from his breast. That indicates the Magpie recognizes itself in a mirror. Pretty much means those bastards are smart!
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Highlander on November 10, 2009, 04:11:40 PM
Corvids are all pretty smart birdies; they even hold their own "courts", and the guilty or the condemned are often shunned or executed... Uwe could come back as a raven, in another life...
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: eb2 on November 12, 2009, 10:15:48 AM
I have always been a fan of Halle Berry's bum.  That Travolta movie where she first let the jugs out to play was fine and all, but being a fan of the can, I was only mildly interested.  But if that is a post child birth pic, then that was a good move for her.  She is a coming and going all star.

I have been noting a gradual decline in the midwest's Cardinal population and an increase in the Blue Jay.  A decade ago the pigeon, scourge of every east coast city, was hardly ever seen.  Now they are expanding beyond the downtown office building ledges.  What all that means, I have no idea.  But I have never seen a magpie.  Only heard it used to describe a blabber mouth.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: uwe on November 12, 2009, 10:27:21 AM
Ravens, crows and magpies are a great recipe for keeping the pigeon population under control.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Highlander on November 12, 2009, 02:58:15 PM
Peregrine Falcon is far more effective... We have a few cities where they have moved in, naturally... most notable is a family that have succesfully fledged several young, that live in Chichester Cathedral's tower... the pidgies are quaking...

My wife's home state birdie is the red cardinal... first time I ever saw one was outside the Saturn 5 building in Florida...  8) birdie
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Freuds_Cat on November 12, 2009, 05:32:56 PM
Peregrines are very cool birds. They love the tall buildings of cities and with a few Pigeons to eat they are happy. We have them in the cliffs along our coastline here in SA.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/70/212428794_0efef6fc30.jpg)

A town near me called Strathalbyn has always had a major problem with Little Corella's

This is a Norfolk (Island) Pine tree in the centre of the town
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/123/386376791_ce391152db.jpg)

They can strip the leaves in a few days.

Solution:

(http://www.victorharbortimes.com.au/multimedia/images/full/141339.jpg)



Lucy the Peregrine
(http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200804/r240040_971910.jpg)


"It is amazing to see 2000 Corellas screaming their heads off, then dead quiet within two minutes," - Paul Willcock

http://www.victorharbortimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/falcons-used-in-corella-fight/510703.aspx (http://www.victorharbortimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/falcons-used-in-corella-fight/510703.aspx)


Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: SKATE RAT on November 12, 2009, 06:53:15 PM
I read part of a study recently about Magpies that was fascinating. When a white dot was attached to the black portion of the Magpie's breast and then put in front of a mirror, the Magpie looked at his reflection, then down at the white dot, then back at the reflection then proceeded to remove the white dot from his breast. That indicates the Magpie recognizes itself in a mirror. Pretty much means those bastards are smart!
i work with a 19 yo girl who spends all day looking in the mirror.and let me tell you, recognizing yourself does not make you smart
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: rahock on November 13, 2009, 07:47:01 AM
A few years back they brought a bunch of falcons in to Detroit to control the pigeon population. I could sit in my 7th floor office downtown and watch falcons snatch pigeons in flight just a few yards outside my window.
Rick
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: uwe on November 14, 2009, 12:01:21 PM
Yup, falcons, in Germany on the verge of extinction a few decades ago due to DDT overuse in agricultural zones, have moved into German cities, preferably ones with hi-rise buildings because up there on the rooftops its basically a man-free habitat. And pigeons are ample though not as prevalent as they used to be. But they are a hardy species, I'm not worried about their extinction yet. Though there was a time when they were rare forest birds too.

Not sure whether falcons are the more efficiejt pigeon controls, ravens, magpies and crows are effective nest-robbers unless its their own species. They eradicate the pigeon problem at its root.

But I saw once how a falcon (we must have one on the roof of our hi-rise) swooped a pigeon in midair - that was admittedly quite spectacular.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Highlander on November 14, 2009, 03:49:06 PM
The "Feral Pigeon" was originally a sea-cliff dwelling bird that "man" took into villages and towns; a useful food-source... when we "evolved" the humble pigeon became redundant... fascinating how we screw-up our environment...

The original bird is known as the "Rock Dove"; you can see "throw-backs" in the town birds - quite distinctive double wing bar...

Bryan... that was an unbelievably cutting comment...  ;D

Rick, Uwe, Bret... Awesome...
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: rahock on November 15, 2009, 05:40:21 AM
Falcons are one of the only birds that will take its' prey in mid air and it is a sight to behold. I was on the phone with an out of state client when this attack took place right outside my 7th floor window.  I let out a "holy shit" and began to describe what I was seeing. The client on the other end was an avid sportsman and camper/hunter and he had never seen such a thing. He kept asking me "where the hell are you at?" He had a real problem believing I was in downtown Detroit ;D
Rick
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Lightyear on November 15, 2009, 09:03:10 AM
The Houston area is very popular for overwintering hawks, primarily red tails, this fall I've already had a hawk dive into the rough of the golf course about 100 yards a way and then casually fly over my yard with a fat rat in it's talons.

Last winter I noticed 4 fat doves on the ridge of my roof as backed out one morning, 10 seconds later I realized I forgot something and turned around to get it, as I pulled into my driveway I noticed no doves but thousands of underfeathers roling down my roof - I guess this was the hawk's version of a breakfast buffet ;)
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Dave W on November 15, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
I wouldn't mind having a Studebaker Hawk.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Highlander on November 15, 2009, 01:30:21 PM
My good man, would that be the Golden or Silver Hawk...?
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Freuds_Cat on November 15, 2009, 09:58:09 PM
I wouldn't mind having a Studebaker Hawk.

Guitarist I used to play with had one. That is an incredibly rare beast in this country. Cool car. Of course the most common Ford in this country is the Falcon.
Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Pilgrim on November 16, 2009, 08:43:11 AM
Silver Hawk = Packard V8, Golden Hawk = Packard V8 with blower added, right?

Title: Re: Don't buy used silverware
Post by: Dave W on November 16, 2009, 09:38:21 AM
I believe the Packard engines were only used the first year and that the blower wasn't offered until the smaller Stude engines were used.

One of my uncles had a Golden Hawk with the supercharged Stude engine. It was very fast in its day. I do remember that it was clocked at 131 mph tops on a gravel test road.