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Gear Discussion Forums => Bill's Shop: Projects, Mods & Repairs => Topic started by: drbassman on July 05, 2010, 08:19:29 PM
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It needs a lot of work. No varitone and I didn't check the truss rod either. Living on the edge!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/Basses/100_3154.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/Basses/100_3152.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/Basses/100_3151.jpg)
Well, I guess I got carried away! Here's the bare neck. The previous owner varnished the fret board and when I took the frets off to try and level the board, chips were flying everywhere! I tried to level the darn thing, but the twist was just a bit too much between the nut and the 3rd. fret. The rest of the neck is fine.
so, I decided the heck with it and planed the board off!! :shock: Now feel I better. I've got the neck leveled but had to add a veneer shim on the treble half between the nut and 3rd. fret. We'll sand her level tomorrow.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3169.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3170.jpg)
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You've done a whole lot more with a whole lot less! ;D So I expect great things from this one ;)
Are you going to plug all of the extra switch holes and the extra pickup hole? What about moving the mudbucker to the end of the neck?
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You've done a whole lot more with a whole lot less! ;D So I expect great things from this one ;)
Are you going to plug all of the extra switch holes and the extra pickup hole? What about moving the mudbucker to the end of the neck?
Yeah, I'll plug the holes and probably cover them with a mahogany veneer. This bass will be white in the end. I won't move the mudbucker since it's in its original position.
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Really looking forward to this build, especially the new board. I'd be interested in the EMG and whatever's attached to it if you're selling.
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Really looking forward to this build, especially the new board. I'd be interested in the EMG and whatever's attached to it if you're selling.
I'd love to sell the pup and any of the wiring that came with it. I won't be using it. I'll post some pics to a PM to you tonight.
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I'd love to sell the pup and any of the wiring that came with it. I won't be using it. I'll post some pics to a PM to you tonight.
Thanks!
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so if you're going white AND changing the board how about blocks and binding on that new board!? ;D ;D
Damn, I dream big when it's other peoples time and money! ;)
All joking aside though - nothing looks better than a white SG/EB with blocks and binding.
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so if you're going white AND changing the board how about blocks and binding on that new board!? ;D ;D
Damn, I dream big when it's other peoples time and money! ;)
All joking aside though - nothing looks better than a white SG/EB with blocks and binding.
I'm right there with you. I was already planning the new fret board inlays. Binding is a definite addition too! Great minds think alike!
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That's gonna be a sexy EB! Can't wait to see it finished!
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Thanks, Doc! Any idea as to how to save the overlay on the headstock?
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I'm right there with you. I was already planning the new fret board inlays. Binding is a definite addition too! Great minds think alike!
You could make the 70s version of this:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/polaris-eb3.jpg)
In any case, look forward to seeing it progress!! 8) :popcorn:
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I've just drooled all over my keyboard...
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That's gonna be a sexy EB! Can't wait to see it finished!
Thanks! I hope it works out!
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Thanks, Doc! Any idea as to how to save the overlay on the headstock?
Well, I was thinking about stripping everything around to logo and repainting the face. I also have an aftermarket pearl Gibson logo inlay I could use. It's pretty close to original, not perfect but about 90% correct. I also have a friend who does gold replacement decals that are almost perfect repros. What do you think?
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I've just drooled all over my keyboard...
Me too!!!! That's the look I love!
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Well, I was thinking about stripping everything around to logo and repainting the face. I also have an aftermarket pearl Gibson logo inlay I could use. It's pretty close to original, not perfect but about 90% correct. I also have a friend who does gold replacement decals that are almost perfect repros. What do you think?
If possible I'd feather the paint carefully, put clear tape over the gold logo and use an exacto to cut around the letters leaving the tape on them only. Shoot black, pull the tape and shoot some clear coats, wet sanding between them to level everything out.
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Well, I was thinking about stripping everything around to logo and repainting the face. I also have an aftermarket pearl Gibson logo inlay I could use. It's pretty close to original, not perfect but about 90% correct. I also have a friend who does gold replacement decals that are almost perfect repros. What do you think?
I took a closer look and I had originally thoght that this had the holly veneer and inlay - no excuse not to have caught that :-[ I think that DaVinci couldn't repair that paint :sad: I think a strip and decal might be the way to go - IMO it certainly shouldn't hurt the value since it already been modded past comprehension.
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If possible I'd feather the paint carefully, put clear tape over the gold logo and use an exacto to cut around the letters leaving the tape on them only. Shoot black, pull the tape and shoot some clear coats, wet sanding between them to level everything out.
So DaVinci now resides in Florida ;D Feel like a road trip?
You really have nothing to loose here - if doesn't work you can always strip it and go with the repaint and new decal.
Have you bought that airbrush yet?
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You could always leave it just as it is - MO... JO...
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Well, I was thinking about stripping everything around to logo and repainting the face. I also have an aftermarket pearl Gibson logo inlay I could use. It's pretty close to original, not perfect but about 90% correct. I also have a friend who does gold replacement decals that are almost perfect repros. What do you think?
That may be the only approach that works. I'm not sure the current headstock logo is salvageable.
A question - what's this thing gonna balance like? I unloaded my Epi EB-3 quickly because it was the worst neck-diver I ever held. also, the way the body slung from the straps threw the neck way out to the left, so i felt like I was reaching farther than I did with any other bass.
Loved the look - couldn't live with the ergonomics. That's why I intended to go the double T-bird pickup route with the Epi EB-0 which is now for sale in the classifieds....(hint).....
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A question - what's this thing gonna balance like? I unloaded my Epi EB-3 quickly because it was the worst neck-diver I ever held. also, the way the body slung from the straps threw the neck way out to the left, so i felt like I was reaching farther than I did with any other bass.
Balance? We don't need no stinkin' balance. You want balance watch FOX. ;)
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Balance? We don't need no stinkin' balance. You want balance watch FOX. ;)
Hmmm...OK, gotcha. No balance problems there. Reminds me of the world view at Bob's Country Bunker:
"We have both kinds of music...country AND western!"
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Yeehaw!
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"Duck, give me a mountain tempo in A minor". ..
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I hear you guys. I gotta think more about the logo. No airbrush yet, but some day!
I'm not a neck diving fan, but some basses are not as bad as others. I might try a different spot for the top strap button, that sometimes helps. I wasn't looking for this, it just sorta feel into my lap. If I had thought more about the neck dive I might have passed, but I'm gonna restore it to my tastes and see what happens. There's always eBay in things go awry!!!
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Ultra light tuners will help. There are the Gotoh Resolites as well though I lean more towards Hipshot for their responsiveness and timely customer service as well as quality.
Besides, fixing it up is 90% of the fun ;D
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Ultra light tuners will help. There are the Gotoh Resolites as well though I lean more towards Hipshot for their responsiveness and timely customer service as well as quality.
Besides, fixing it up is 90% of the fun ;D
Good idea - plan ahead by minimizing tuner weight...that has to help!
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I've used Hipshot Ultralites many times, might make that change here too.
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Ah - Here it is.
If you dress up the board, you might as well dress up the headstock. If you go basic, pic up a gold Gibson decal which is easy enough to do. But if you put inlays, then upgrade the face.
If your veneer face comes out nice, maybe skip the white!
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Added a maple veneer shim to the top of the neck to level it out. I'll sand her down tonight. The twist really was only at the top couple frets.
I've decided to use MOP blocks and probably a thin binding on the new fret board since this is a major overhaul. Ultralight tuners too to reduce neck dive. Will have to do some major headstock filling, etc. if I go that route.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3171.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3172.jpg)
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Great job, I'm jonesing for those clamps!
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Y'know what would look cool (but non-Gibby) on that fretboard?
Diagonal/triangular marker inserts like those on the Ricks.
Just a random thought.
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Great job, I'm jonesing for those clamps!
Aren't they great? I plan to have 20 or 25 eventually. I'm up to 6 so far, but the cost $18 a pop! They are so perfect for guitar work.
Here's the neck all planed and level. Turned out nice and my dip is gone!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3176.jpg)
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You could always leave it just as it is - MO... JO...
You'd love that, wouldn't you?!? I can't leave things alone, you know that!
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Balance? We don't need no stinkin' balance. You want balance watch FOX. ;)
Well, the mahogany body on this thing weighs a ton, so I may not have much of a neck dive problem when it's all said and done!
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Ah - Here it is.
If you dress up the board, you might as well dress up the headstock. If you go basic, pic up a gold Gibson decal which is easy enough to do. But if you put inlays, then upgrade the face.
If your veneer face comes out nice, maybe skip the white!
I still think MOP blocks or something similar would be cool. Here's the MOP logo I have. Should I use it too and not worry about the gold decal?
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3182.jpg)
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How about this.............
(http://www.luthiersupply.com/image_update/block_fret_FULL.jpg)
Or this...............
(http://www.luthiersupply.com/image_update/400_FB_FULL.jpg)
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Y'know what would look cool (but non-Gibby) on that fretboard?
Diagonal/triangular marker inserts like those on the Ricks.
Just a random thought.
Maybe..............
(http://www.luthiersupply.com/image_update/Shark_Fin_FB_R_FULL.jpg)
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Spoilt for choice Doc :) Looking good.
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I'm really leaning toward the blocks, they are so Gibson!
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I'm really leaning toward the blocks, they are so Gibson!
Hard to argue that!
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Gotta agree on the blocks - No.4 is talking to me, but what would look good on a white bass...?
Those clamps... what are they called...? with your skills, why are you buying them...? or is there something I'm missing...?
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Gotta agree on the blocks - No.4 is talking to me, but what would look good on a white bass...?
Those clamps... what are they called...? with your skills, why are you buying them...? or is there something I'm missing...?
I think plain old white MOP will be fine, too. The clamps are called cam clamps. They are so easy to use and I love the deep throats on them. You can reach deep into a body or neck, if need be. The cork surfaces are great for wood working too.
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#7 is growing on me....
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It would depend on the white, I guess...
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fretboards sent, foot not broken but really swollen and hurts like he__. pickin fingers are ok, lol.
wish it was a jug of whisky instead of a jug of juice. at least i could be happy about it.
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Good news, glad you're gonna be OK. I'd much rather drop a bottle of Jack on my foot than Tropicana! Thanks so much for the boards, looking forward to seeing them. Thanks!
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Here's the MOP logo I have. Should I use it too and not worry about the gold decal?
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3182.jpg)
She's not going to be "original" so what's going to look better or what's going to be easier for you - one or the other of the choices will be valid to you...
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Yeah, I knew when I bought it that I wouldn't be able to totally restore it back to original. I really didn't want to anyway!
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I ordered the block inlays. And I'm going with the Gibson MOP inlay too, what the hell! And Hipshot Ultrlight tuners in chrome Fender style heads. I'll have to fill a couple extra holes in the back of the headstock, but I can save the original Gibson serial # stamp. After all, I want to preserve some of its vintage pedigree!
OK, along with its other issues, the neck joint and the two seams of the neck laminate at the base were just starting to separate. I'm not a fan of filling with CA glue, although that has its uses.
I prefer wood-to-wood repairs. So, I take my fret saw, open the holes to .023" down to where I can see the separation stops (in this case a mm or 2) and glue in a couple same-wood strips. In this case, maple veneer. Works like a charm and won't be noticeable since this will be finished in white anyway.
Just thought I'd share!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3186.jpg)
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very innovative.
with the block inlays one should be able to remove any natural "oops" in those board woods too.
this one is going to become very nice when it is done.
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I'd be most interested in seeing details on the inlay work - not something I've ever done...
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I'd be most interested in seeing details on the inlay work - not something I've ever done...
+1
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very innovative.
with the block inlays one should be able to remove any natural "oops" in those board woods too.
this one is going to become very nice when it is done.
Sure, a radius block and 80 grit does wonders too! Thanks again!
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I'd be most interested in seeing details on the inlay work - not something I've ever done...
Sure, I'll document it for you all. The headstock and the fretboard, right?
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In my brief time since converting to Luthierism, discovered that any ca?zap repairs tend to turn black requiring even more cosmetic touch-ups, sanding etc. Is ther any brand or type of ca that doesn't do that?
Lookin forward to seeing your finished hobbitt!
VIVA ESPAÑA!!!
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Sure, I'll document it for you all. The headstock and the fretboard, right?
Yep!
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In my brief time since converting to Luthierism, discovered that any ca?zap repairs tend to turn black requiring even more cosmetic touch-ups, sanding etc. Is ther any brand or type of ca that doesn't do that?
Lookin forward to seeing your finished hobbitt!
VIVA ESPAÑA!!!
His finished Hobbitt?
I'm thinking that in white, it will be more of a....Gandalf.
Wouldn't that make a nice name for a bass? Gandalf.
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In my brief time since converting to Luthierism, discovered that any ca?zap repairs tend to turn black requiring even more cosmetic touch-ups, sanding etc. Is ther any brand or type of ca that doesn't do that?
Lookin forward to seeing your finished hobbitt!
VIVA ESPAÑA!!!
Not that I'm aware of. Good luck Spain and Netherlands! May the best team win!
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His finished Hobbitt?
I'm thinking that in white, it will be more of a....Gandalf.
Wouldn't that make a nice name for a bass? Gandalf.
I love that.........Gandolf! Actually it works better since it's a 34" scale anyway, not a true Hobbitt. ;)
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No hairy feet on that bass!
Seems more like a bass for a white wizard, dunnit??
Thanks for the spelling correction. I Frodo'd up.
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Just an odd snippet from my personal life...
My daughter gave me a cup that featured a picture of Sir Ian's character brandishing a white staff, for all the world, looking like an aging rocker... every time I look at the cup I keep getting this thought... Gandalf played a white EB3... I just never found a suitable pic to 'shop into it...
Looks like our Dutch compatriots got VIVA'd... all the pundits are saying the best team did win...
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Gandalf is a cool name. And the best team DID win ;D
I was rooting for both (somewhat) till that kung fu kick in the chest. Not cool...
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Gandalf it is! Way to go Spain. BTW, that kick didn't bother me, it happens in every Rugby match I've ever watched!
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Ah yes, the Rugby/football/futbol "Quien es mas macho" :gay: bar brawl.... I thought the game turned into a of Hockey match!
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(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/random%20stuff/cup001.jpg)
bad pic... oh well...
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Looks like a Kramer aluminum neck Y-headstock to me.
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Looks like a Kramer aluminum neck Y-headstock to me.
Good one Al! Boy Kenny, he looks a little like Father Christmas in the blurry shot!
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I was just thinking back to the prog rock thing - you know 39 white keyboards piled up in a semi-circle and lets not for the white keytar so that he can come out to the front of the stage and jam :P
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OOOO Lord Gandalf with his long white stick :P
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OOOO Lord Gandalf with his long white stick :P
But no KFC, no pole. :sad:
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But could there be a squid thing going on?
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But could there be a squid thing going on?
It's that 34" neck, y'know.
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It's that 34" neck, y'know.
Who says size doesn't matter???
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Not some squids I met here.
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once a squid always a squid!!!
DR. let me know when those arrive so i can quit worrying about them.
:popcorn: :toast:
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once a squid always a squid!!!
DR. let me know when those arrive so i can quit worrying about them.
:popcorn: :toast:
Will do, shouldn't be a problem getting here. I was thinking about the boards and I may have a problem doing block inlays because they are radiused already. The usual method is doing the inlay routing on a flat board and then doing the radius work afterward. I'll see if I can figure something out!
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those were meant for a Martin BC-165GTE Acoustic Bass wth a 16" radius (almost flat anyways). should not be a problem making them to a Gibby 12" or what ever floats your boat.
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those were meant for a Martin BC-165GTE Acoustic Bass wth a 16" radius (almost flat anyways). should not be a problem making them to a Gibby 12" or what ever floats your boat.
Oh wow, I didn't realize they used such a shallow radius. Yeah, I should be able to make it work. We'll see how I do. The problem is the bottom of the inlay rout must be flat or the inlay rocks around when you install it. If it's thin, you could crack or break it.
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Extra tuner holes filled, neck cracks repaired and measuring for a ebony facelift for the MOP logo.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3189.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3191.jpg)
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Oh wow, I didn't realize they used such a shallow radius. Yeah, I should be able to make it work. We'll see how I do. The problem is the bottom of the inlay rout must be flat or the inlay rocks around when you install it. If it's thin, you could crack or break it.
Just make yourself a couple of rails out of wood a shade thicker than the thickest part of the fingerboard and about six inches longer. Stick these to your bench with thin double stick tape on either side of the fingerboard and you're ready to route! If you're using a trim router you might need to add a wider base to span the rails - still it should work.
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Just make yourself a couple of rails out of wood a shade thicker than the thickest part of the fingerboard and about six inches longer. Stick these to your bench with thin double stick tape on either side of the fingerboard and you're ready to route! If you're using a trim router you might need to add a wider base to span the rails - still it should work.
Duh! Why didn't I think of that!?! Thanks!
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i smell thoughts of a tooling jig and/or templates for long and short scale in the future !!! :mrgreen: ;D
never thought about it at the time and now i don't remember who the guy was but: a few years ago there was a person selling plans on the bay for just such a rig. he used the rails for block routing, then he had removable blocks on the ends curved on one side for radius work with bars pivoted to hold the mount for the router, advertised it to work on regular and multi radii and said he used two profile templates that fit his favorite neck back and then he used his router for profiling the back of the neck.
the repairs are looking righteous.
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Just make yourself a couple of rails out of wood a shade thicker than the thickest part of the fingerboard and about six inches longer. Stick these to your bench with thin double stick tape on either side of the fingerboard and you're ready to route! If you're using a trim router you might need to add a wider base to span the rails - still it should work.
I used a similar rail setup to remove the skunk stripe when replacing the trussrod in my '76 Stingray many years ago.
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Ah, riding the rails! A tried and true American tradition from the Great Depression. I'll give it a spin! Thanks guys.
Bill, I do recall seein ghte setup you're talking about. I need to make jig for radius and neck profile work. Now you got me thinking............
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OK, here we go. The face is cleaned off. Now I decided to use an ebony face plate. So I take a piece of ebony, double side tape it to a safety handle and plane it down to 3/32". I then cut out the are for the truss rod nut cavity and glue it on.
I'll rout the Gibson logo section after things dry. Sometimes I do the inly rout first, but I was anxious to glue this up. I like the faceplate, it adds strength and looks better than a painted black face IMHO.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3195.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3196.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3200.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3198.jpg)
Oh yeah, here are the MOP inlays that came yesterday.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3202.jpg)
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A word about gluing a headstock veneer. Use plenty of glue, pre-tape veneer in place to minimize sliding, and use a flat piece of plywood as a caul, slightly larger than the headstock. Make sure part of your clamps are over the edge of the caul and veneer so the edges are under pressure and end up tight. Without that, you might get a gap and have problems in the future (I speak from experience here).
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3203.jpg)
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Ah, riding the rails! A tried and true American tradition from the Great Depression. I'll give it a spin! Thanks guys.
Bill, I do recall seein ghte setup you're talking about. I need to make jig for radius and neck profile work. Now you got me thinking............
i didn't think it would take much prodding....hehe
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3203.jpg)
i see fretboard inna background, cool
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Yep, that's a fretboard I had ordered some time ago. It might be the one I sloted myself and screwed up the measurements on the top frets! :P Your's should be here soon!
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That is looking fantastic !
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A word about gluing a headstock veneer. Use plenty of glue, pre-tape veneer in place to minimize sliding, and use a flat piece of plywood as a caul, slightly larger than the headstock. Make sure part of your clamps are over the edge of the caul and veneer so the edges are under pressure and end up tight. Without that, you might get a gap and have problems in the future (I speak from experience here).
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3203.jpg)
The biggest flaw I see in your technique is that you aren't using enough clamps!! :P ;D
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I guess he could have fitted one more on each side, at least... thats more clamps than I own on that head...
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I guess he could have fitted one more on each side, at least... thats more clamps than I own on that head...
OK, my Name is Bill........I'm a bit type A when it comes to gluing wood! Clamping is a "power" thing and I like to win! :P
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I know who you are, cheeky... I was talkin' ta Buzz about you... ;D
Gonna concentrate on finishing the wiring for my 'bird today - just been too distracted to concentrate on one thing, and how many have you got on the go at present...? ;)
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OK, my Name is Bill........I'm a bit type A when it comes to gluing wood! Clamping is a "power" thing and I like to win! :P
The number of clamps you need is always one more than you have...similar to basses!
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I know who you are, cheeky... I was talkin' ta Buzz about you... ;D
Gonna concentrate on finishing the wiring for my 'bird today - just been too distracted to concentrate on one thing, and how many have you got on the go at present...? ;)
Good luck with the wiring, it's one thing that I'm not that good at yet! Let's see, how many..............BillyBo, EB-3L, EB-2 (ready for S&S), Hofner (ready for routing then S&S). That's all there is right now!
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Seriously, even I don't have that many small clamps! ;D I have maybe half that number of that type :sad:
Do any of you have a Harbor Freight in your area? They run their version of that type of clamp, which I love, for $1.99. They are cheap, Chinese >:( made things but they are really nice. Every time I'm at Harbor Frieght I pick up a couple
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You can never have too many clamps.
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Extra tuner holes filled, neck cracks repaired and measuring for a ebony facelift for the MOP logo.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3189.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3191.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3192.jpg)
All Right, doc! You've been busy!
No wonder the Billy Bo ain't done yet. :D
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Well, ole Billy is ready for S&S but the weather isn't cooperating!
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gotta ask... why is humidity relevant to S&S...?
I'm guessing expansion of the timber...? warmth I could understand, but moist...? or is it a combination over there... not so much of an issue round here...
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gotta ask... why is humidity relevant to S&S...?
I'm guessing expansion of the timber...? warmth I could understand, but moist...? or is it a combination over there... not so much of an issue round here...
In high humidity moisture condenses under quick drying lacquer causing "blush" which gives a frosted look to the finish. It has very little to do with the surface being painted, it occurs with wood, metal or plastic.
Using slow drying reducer (retarder) helps by allowing the moisture to escape before the finish dries but it can do only so much. Too much retarder and the finish doesn't harden. Blush can occur at any temperature but it generally gets worse the hotter it gets.
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Ta...
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Damn!!!! With all those clamps, one small point on the top left corner didn't mate properly. This is so typical. So, I've reclamped the corner with some new glue and will have to wait until tonight to rout off the excess ebony. What a pain!!!!
My next big purchase is gonna be a vacuum gluing setup. :P
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Damn!!!! With all those clamps, one small point on the top left corner didn't mate properly. This is so typical. So, I've reclamped the corner with some new glue and will have to wait until tonight to rout off the excess ebony. What a pain!!!!
My next big purchase is gonna be a vacuum gluing setup. :P
Bummer! Do you think you might have had excessive squeeze out or not enough glue on both surfaces?
Re the vac clamp setup, might not be so expensive, lots of info here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=diy+vacuum+press&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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I suspect that my problem is not enough glue. I have a tendancy not to be too liberal in my application of glue and then I have a little glitch here and there. Either way, I'm gonna use more in the future! The fix is working just fine so it should be nice and solid tonight when I remove the clamps.
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All bow before drbassman, for he is the ClampMaster!
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Damn!!!! With all those clamps, one small point on the top left corner didn't mate properly.
:o My idol... has feet of clay... :o ( ;))
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What a tough audience! Just goes to show you..............quantity does not equal quality! Technique is all important as a poor workman blames his tool/s! ;D
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Bummer! Do you think you might have had excessive squeeze out or not enough glue on both surfaces?
Re the vac clamp setup, might not be so expensive, lots of info here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=diy+vacuum+press&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Hey, thanks! I read this over and I'm going to build one. I'll post about it as I move things along. Very cool, I love making my own tools.
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Hey, thanks! I read this over and I'm going to build one. I'll post about it as I move things along. Very cool, I love making my own tools.
You're welcome. Looking forward to progress posts. Building and modding machines is fun. More tools for less bucks.
I bought this 14" diameter x 36" wide shop built drum sander off CL last week for $25 (bass not included ;)), needs a motor. There are some small drum sanders on the market that are set up similar to a jointer with a table on type, I'm going to try to build something like that.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Chrome%20Soapbar/CHROMED/P1020116.jpg)
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If you're using Titebond original and you're using enough glue, it's almost impossible to starve the glue joint by clamping. Just look at their recommended clamping pressures, you're well below that. OTOH you can certainly starve the glue joint if you're using epoxy.
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Ebony face plate is finished. Back is stripped. Nothing would touch it except Stripeze.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3225.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3224.jpg)
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Really looking great!
I love coming back from a long weekend and seeing all the cool new posts...
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that's nice grain on the back, doc. got any pics of the front stripped?
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Really looking great!
I love coming back from a long weekend and seeing all the cool new posts...
Thanks, it is fun watching all this stuff!
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You're welcome. Looking forward to progress posts. Building and modding machines is fun. More tools for less bucks.
I bought this 14" diameter x 36" wide shop built drum sander off CL last week for $25 (bass not included ;)), needs a motor. There are some small drum sanders on the market that are set up similar to a jointer with a table on type, I'm going to try to build something like that.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Chrome%20Soapbar/CHROMED/P1020116.jpg)
Holy cow! You could sand 3 bodies at once with that monster! I'd like to see it when you set it up.
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that's nice grain on the back, doc. got any pics of the front stripped?
I'm starting on the front later this week. It's got 30 holes in it, so it's not gonna be pretty. I discovered that this bass was originally cherry red (found in in the cavities) and some dork stripped the whole thing and did it natural with some crappy top coat that only Stripeze would touch. Thinner, Orange stripper and other stuff hardly made a dent in the crap.
I'll post more pics as I strip the rest of it.
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If you're using Titebond original and you're using enough glue, it's almost impossible to starve the glue joint by clamping. Just look at their recommended clamping pressures, you're well below that. OTOH you can certainly starve the glue joint if you're using epoxy.
Only Titebond. Nothing else will do.
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Holy cow! You could sand 3 bodies at once with that monster! I'd like to see it when you set it up.
I'm not sure what sort of bodies you meant there for a moment, Bill... As soon as I saw Dada's sander I thought something much worse, a-la Southern Comfort, or maybe Deliverance...
"Well, bhoy, we just feed the pesky varmint tourists through the sander, then ma ol' dog Betsy git's the juice..." :o :o :o
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Hey dadagoboi, be careful with that sander. That thing looks like it's hungry for fingers!!!
:o :sad:
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Holy cow! You could sand 3 bodies at once with that monster! I'd like to see it when you set it up.
It's a back burner project, I'm waiting for a cheap motor to surface on CL or Ebay. Has to have a fair amount of grunt just to get the thing moving.
I'm not sure what sort of bodies you meant there for a moment, Bill... As soon as I saw Dada's sander I thought something much worse, a-la Southern Comfort, or maybe Deliverance...
"Well, bhoy, we just feed the pesky varmint tourists through the sander, then ma ol' dog Betsy git's the juice..." :o :o :o
Going to use 2 different grits side by side, one for grownups and one for chilluns and dawgs.
Hey dadagoboi, be careful with that sander. That thing looks like it's hungry for fingers!!!
:o :sad:
It will be safer than the router that took a chunk out of my hand Saturday. 4 hrs and 6 large sutures at the E.R. taught me a lesson I already knew. Clamp down your work!
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Ouch on the router! Did something similar with a belt sander a few years ago. Be careful out there!
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Going to use 2 different grits side by side, one for grownups and one for chilluns and dawgs.
Grits... good ole Suv-un food...
Nearly had a disaster with the PC and my router last night... I forgot that the infill for the cavity (ah... the pots don't fit, neither does the switchgear... oops...) was about 3/16th-4mm to thick so had to thin-out by hand (no long bits) - it skipped... luckily, inwards and not towards the surface (front) - took out just over 1/8" -1/2" high 1" wide... alls well that ends well... :o
Worst stupidity (Hav ya met ma friend, Stanley...? Stanley Knife :o :o :o) resulted in a 2" long 3/4" deep gash (had to have 8 stitches on my right thigh) that pumped on release...
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Guess we all do those goofy things form time to time! How about dripping hot solder on your arm while soldering water pipes over your head!!! Ouch!
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21 years of brewery work, Bill... 21 years of brewery work... I still prefer Yorkshire fittings, although when I replumbed this house back in '92 I used entirely end-feed fittings... done a lot of lead pipe work back in the day... all the fun of "puddling" lead and "moleskins" and "turnpins"... far too many burns to remember, managed to burn an entire armfull of hair off once with a gas blowback... NOT FUN...
Nearly forgot... I have had to plug (freezer-packs) live water supplys loads of times to cut into them when removing sinks or pipework in kitchens...
I was removing an old sink and replacing it with a (commercial) glasswasher in a Youngs pub in the City of London (within Leadenhall Market) and I'd frozen the pipe, cut the line, and then discovered it was on a presurised hot supply - it blew about 15 seconds after cutting and I had to fit the 3/4" BSP valve whilst the scalding water was playing hell with my finger tips, the manager frantically mopping up the water beside me (we were on the 1st floor, with a ground and basement bar beneath us freshly renovated and ready to open!!!), when I suddenly noticed I was getting a "tickle", that little sensation you get whilst you are being electrocuted... I quickly finished the valve, shut off the supply, and we both got out of the area... when we finally shut off the power to the area, cleared up the spillage, and looked round, there, right at the edge of the new linoleum, in a streak of uncleared congealed beer (you could secure the most stubborn of unstickable stuff with that) was a 3 foot section of T&E with a rodent nibbled open live conducter...
To this day, I have no idea why I am still here... a bare live ringmain (30 amp 240VAC with no RCD), a copper pipe, lots of water, and saturated engineer... the perfect mix...
Had similar cuts to do whilst taking barral apart, live and hot...
Used to fix espresso machines (120 degrees water) and done quite a lot of work with live-steam - that is an exceptionally unforgiving medium...
Mind you, it would be a cold day in Hell before I would ever consider working in an iron foundry... I have worked in aluminium plants and that was bad enough...
Nearly forgot - never thought I'd have this sort of crap to dael with but recently had to work on the installation of some cameras watching the feed belts to the furnaces of an electric generation plant, in the roof - due to an admistrative error, my company forgot to let me know that I had to wear long sleeves (some pipework in the area would melt hi-viz vests on contact) - the only thing I had to hand was a fleece, and the temperature that day was around 29 degrees centigrade, outside... the only access to the roof was (mostly) internal and about 20 flights of stairs... not one of my more humerous days... they only allow people into that are for 15 minute intervals as there are some severe risks involved with the area (burns shreeded material and high dust issues - breathing masks, full face visor, hard had, gloves, fleece, overalls...)
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Kenny, I sincerely hope you are very, very well paid.
And you were lucky to live through that live wire exercise!
I do most of my own mechanics, carpentry, plumbing, etc but I've never sweated a copper pipe joint successfully. That's a skill which has eluded me and I've decided not to pursue any further. PVC is my friend.
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Not enough, presently effectively on an overtime ban (comprises a 1/4 of my income) and thoroughly jacked with the company - we have just gone through a detrimental contract negotiation (Hobson's Choice - ie no choice IS a choice) so pending the summer break and then moving on at earliest convenience - the security industry is generally well paid, but the recession has bitten into it...
We just got the car back from the annual service and safety checks with a £741/$1130 bill... sorry, no that was big enough to be called William... just don't need that right now... :o
Right... I've had my vent of steam... how the EB-3L going, Bill...?
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Hey Ken, I love how you keep mentioning Pubs that i know/have frequented. I was the Stone supervisor on the building of the Tokyo bank just down the road from Leadenhall st Market. I used to have a regular friday lunchtime bevvy in that upstairs pub. A few years later I brought my wife back to London to show her around and I took her there because I loved the atmosphere. For those not aware the market itself sells a lot of Game meat amongst other things and is very victorian in its vibe.
You are very lucky to still be alive enough to be getting those 8 stitches my friend.
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one of the locations for the film bollywood queen that i recorded was the leadenhall market.know it well.
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Yikes Kenny, you make me feel guilty for having a desk/teaching gig! I've always wanted to work more with my hands. I admire your skills and work. That's why I've been doing the self-taught luthier thing the past few years. Once I retire, I'm living in my shop and screw the desk chair and meetings with droning, self-absorbed administrators!!!!!!!! :toast:
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Bill... I wanted to be a carpenter but my dad decided my path for me, which is why I rebeled and p'd him off... my mums dad was a master carpenter and cabinet maker - I only have one piece of his work - a damaged box (approx 1' by 6" by6") which has some marquetry and a heart shaped insert for pictures on the inside( ithink - presently stored) - he ended up staying on in Canada during the depression and I have photos of him with a work-gang by bridges holding crude tools where they had been "Workin' on the railroad..." my mum was shipped back to the home Island, with her mum and elder brother (born in Vancouver in '26 and home in '32) and she didn't sdee him again until she was 18... he ended up estranged and lived in Glasgow as a ships carpenter at Brown's shipbuilders - my grandparents did finally get back together in their old age and as a real youngun I used to stay with them through the summer months... my dad's brother (six years younger) was also a ships carpenter... my dad did not consider carpentry to be a suitable trade and was disgusted with me for failing nearly all my school exams - I wanted to follow the arts, music, carpentry... I was made to do the sciences & tech-drawing (only things I passed - nearly art - and biology)... I got my British Airways apprenticeship purely because of one thing - an Airfix 1/72 Mosquito I'd customed in RAAF colours, and one of the "Old Boys" who gave me the secondary interview was particularily taken by it... he recounted this story... "Churchill had one as a high speed transport - I designed it..." I was one of 80 out of 800 applicants...
I think I'd like to specialise in "Tequila Fins" (TM) - darn site easier than the beastie I'm still wrangling with... ;D
Don't get me wrong... I loved my dad, but he could not physically show it in return - Burma destroyed him and he was fundementally emotionless (on the surface)... I only found out after he died how proud he was of me... the regrets a life has...
Bret... I did 21 years of working with companies associated with Youngs and Fullers - I have a tie (not that I wear such things) that names every Fullers pub, and the only way you could get one was to have visited them all - did a lot of work within 4 primary breweries - Fullers, Youngs, Shepherd Neame, and Guinness - 2 are now gone - I'd love to do the Whisky Trail, though... one day...
Sliced myself in the van, on the double yellows, outside the Camden Palace in NW1 (I used to be damned Cavalier with my parking attitude in the days before the clampers - I even used to park on the pavement beside Eros when I went into the Criterion Brasserie - back to the Camden - Bernie Marsden was rehearsing in a pick-up band and I'd been having a chat with him just a little earlier), I walked back into the foyer holding my leg closed and asked them to call an ambulance, the two people behind the counter (one male one famale) both asked why, so I explained, and she insisted on checking after getting her little first aid box, so I showed her, and she went very pale, and the guy said, I'll make the call... whilst I was getting stitched up, I joked with the nice lady doctor about some bell that had gone off and it being their tea-break... her kindly smile came with the reply, "Oh that's the cardiac arrest alarm", and continued to stitch me up... ;D
I used to love Shepherd Neames delivery tanker; this was emblazoned along the side and on the back in VERY BIG LETTERS...
(http://www.mroscar.co.uk/fun/images/Spitfire/no_fokker.png)
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Wow Kenny, my mother's dad was a carpenter too. My dad's father was a coal miner and dad didn't want any part of that. My parents only had one goal for me, to be the first college grad in our family. So, my lot was cast and I obeyed. Luckily for me, they were right to push me.
I was fortunate that my dad let us know well how he felt about us,even though he couldn't say it out loud. Lucky for us again. It was tough for that generation, especially for the war vets like our dads. My dad somehow got past a lot of the horror he experienced.
Blessings Kenny, life is so mysterious.
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It sure is, Bill... it sure is...
Anyway... where were we... Ah, yes... an EB-3L...
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It sure is, Bill... it sure is...
Anyway... where were we... Ah, yes... an EB-3L...
EB? :P
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Egg Buttie... don't forget the brown sauce... an' a cup of tea, ta... ;D
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Thanks, I really lost track there for a minute! Tea time sounds inviting............ :toast:
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EB? :P
Maybe he means "SG". ;)
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OK, you guys asked for it, here are the first steps in the fret board inlays............
Draw a center line on the board first............
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3232.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3233.jpg)
Then, I find the center on each inlay............opps, I shot the picture before I corrected the line on this one!!! :P
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3239.jpg)
I clamp or double-sided tape each inlay and trace it with a mechanical pencil......
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3236.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3237.jpg)
Tada!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3238.jpg)
This is one tedious process, but I haven't been able to shorten it in any way yet!
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Here's my inlay routing setup. I love the base with the Dremel, but I can never get enough light around the inlay hole to see clearly. The biggest problem is the metal baseplate. I use a foot pedal to start and stop the router so I can keep both hands firmly on it when I fire her up!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3244.jpg)
So, I got creative and made an acrylic base and now I can see everything with a simple 60w bulb!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3249.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3251.jpg)
I rout first with a 1/8" bit and then go to a 1/32" for the fine lines and corners.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3247.jpg)
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great pics Doc. These are things I take for granted. Its very interesting to see how its done properly.
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i'm learning here!!! nice technique Doc. :popcorn:
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Nice work Doc!
Do you just work to the pencil line or do you scribe/cut the line to cut the grain and route to the scribe line?
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That is too cool!
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Very Nice! Like the rails and the dremel base.
Grizzly sells this kit which requires a separate template for each size inlay but it seems that once you made the required for one board you'd be able to do future ones very quickly- if it actually works. I could imagine something like this being used in a production shop.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/Inlay-Kit-w-Carbide-Bit/H3133
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Very Nice! Like the rails and the dremel base.
Grizzly sells this kit which requires a separate template for each size inlay but it seems that once you made the required for one board you'd be able to do future ones very quickly- if it actually works. I could imagine something like this being used in a production shop.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/Inlay-Kit-w-Carbide-Bit/H3133
Interesting idea, I'll have to look into that. A template sure would make things easier!
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Interesting idea, I'll have to look into that. A template sure would make things easier!
It's not too difficult to bang together rectangular templates like this. Then use a pattern router bit to do the actual template on the bottom piece and square off the corners by hand. Pin nails usually work, screws not necessary. This is a pup ring proto jig.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Chrome%20Soapbar/CHROMED/P1020252.jpg)
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I see, good one. I really do need some templates if I'm gonna do multiple necks on down the road! Something to work on for sure! I also plan on developing some sort of radius jig too this fall.
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I see, good one. I really do need some templates if I'm gonna do multiple necks on down the road! Something to work on for sure! I also plan on developing some sort of radius jig too this fall.
Look forward to seeing the radius jig.
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Fascinating and enlightening...
Is that a blower tube...?
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Fascinating and enlightening...
Is that a blower tube...?
Yep, it uses a fish tank air pump to blow the wood dust off while routing. It really helps.
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reading this section is fast becoming my favorite section. it is like a well written novel with the marked impatience present.
thought i would wait for the next installment. now i am looking for my cattle prod. lol
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I'm on a two week vacation! No guitar work till next week.
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then enjoy my friend.
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then enjoy my friend.
Thanks! I am!!!
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Thanks! I am!!!
Dos cervezas, por favor!
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Dos cervezas, por favor!
And a few Dos Equis too! :toast:
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Presently detoxing after a weeks break with friends... :toast: :toast: :toast: :popcorn: :toast: :toast: :toast: :popcorn:
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All right! Party time is almost over, back to work on Monday! :puke:
So, I was able to get back into my shop this morning and finished off the inlays.
After routing, I like to clean up the edges and do the corners with a chisel. I also use a sanding stick to finish the edges up for a cleaner line. Works well. Then I use thick CA to glue the inlays in. Sometimes, when I'm lucky, I get a really tight fit and have to tap them in with a rubber mallet.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3327.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3331.jpg)
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(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3335.jpg)
TADA!!!!!!!!!!!! More to come after I sand the board down and fill the edges.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3336.jpg)
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Presently detoxing after a weeks break with friends... :toast: :toast: :toast: :popcorn: :toast: :toast: :toast: :popcorn:
Sounds like fun! I had a great 2 weeks off and still have a lot of parties and get togethers to squeeze in before summer fads away. It's been a good one so far! Glad you could enjoy your friends as well! Life is good!
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welcome back
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Glad you had a good time...and as always, your inlay work looks fantastic!
We're one week from fall classes - I have one distance ed room which is more than a week behind schedule without all the equipment installed, and two other rooms we're re-designing. In addition, I have video to edit before the 23rd, student schedules to set, a search to move forward, and two half-days of faculty training in WebCT, etc. etc.
But you don't need to think about that now....so whatever you do, don't think about it...no, DON'T!! ;)
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welcome back
Thanks! That fret board you sent me is looking good with the above inlays! Thanks again!!!
I will say, however, I think I'm better at routing on a flat fret board without a radius. Even with the two rails on the sides to ride on, I missed having the router in contact with the board while I worked. It's probably just a "mental" thing! :P
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Glad you had a good time...and as always, your inlay work looks fantastic!
We're one week from fall classes - I have one distance ed room which is more than a week behind schedule without all the equipment installed, and two other rooms we're re-designing. In addition, I have video to edit before the 23rd, student schedules to set, a search to move forward, and two half-days of faculty training in WebCT, etc. etc.
But you don't need to think about that now....so whatever you do, don't think about it...no, DON'T!! ;)
Yep, I have 2 weeks to go and after 20+ years, I don't panic or worry about it. Things always manage to get done! Have a geat fall, too!
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Yep, I have 2 weeks to go and after 20+ years, I don't panic or worry about it. Things always manage to get done! Have a geat fall, too!
Thanks! This is my first year in this assignment, which has essentially (informally but practically) positioned me as one of the primary guys suggesting current and future instructional technology directions for a campus of 24,000. There was a void and I walked into it. That's actually rather fun and I get to propose and play with new toys, but it's all hit in the past two weeks, when I already had those weeks planned out.
We'll make it but I may be attending every distance class to coach my student operators through the process of running the equipment, as it may not be installed before classes start.
Friday the 27th is going to be MAJOR Miller time. I'm focusing on living through the next week.
Hopefully our Dr. Bassman will be able to focus on issuing profundities in the classroom and providing sage counsel on research projects. Don't forget the harrumph.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN99jshaQbY
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Many thanks for the detailed tutorial. You have a lot more patience than I ever will. I've spent the whole morning working on pup ring templates so I can cut down the amount of hand work. Unfortunately squaring up corners with a bastard file is not as rewarding as putting a chisel to wood. Glad you're back and refreshed!
Re that router template attachment from Grizzly, I saw a build thread on Talkbass where a guy is using one to cut very exact cavity and cavity plates.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=670146
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Hey Al, it sounds like you have a fun, if even pressurized gig there! I taught online courses and developed master programs for Rochester Institute of Technology for 12 years, so I really appreciate the technical support folks and all they do to make learning happen outside of just the classroom. Me, I'm just cruising to retirement and enjoying my last administrative/teaching assignments for a few more years. Can I get a 'harrumph" please? Best wishes for a smooth fall! ;)
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Hey Al, it sounds like you have a fun, if even pressurized gig there! I taught online courses and developed master programs for Rochester Institute of Technology for 12 years, so I really appreciate the technical support folks and all they do to make learning happen outside of just the classroom. Me, I'm just cruising to retirement and enjoying my last administrative/teaching assignments for a few more years. Can I get a 'harrumph" please? Best wishes for a smooth fall! ;)
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Many thanks for the detailed tutorial. You have a lot more patience than I ever will. I've spent the whole morning working on pup ring templates so I can cut down the amount of hand work. Unfortunately squaring up corners with a bastard file is not as rewarding as putting a chisel to wood. Glad you're back and refreshed!
Re that router template attachment from Grizzly, I saw a build thread on Talkbass where a guy is using one to cut very exact cavity and cavity plates.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=670146
Thanks! Templates are so useful, I build a new one every time I have to rout something. It's worth the time and effort. Interesting thread over in TB, thanks for posting the link.
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Finished the fret board today. I double-side taped it to the work bench. Sanded it down to level the inlays with a radius block and 3M stickit paper. Took some of the resulting dust and used CA to fill some of my flaws on the edges. Also sanded the body some as well. Later this week I'll do the Gibson headstock inlay and post it. It's actually easier than you'd think!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3345.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3351.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3347.jpg)
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(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3346.jpg)
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Beautiful work on that board and headstock!
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that board is looking awesome!
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Fantastic!
That thing is going to stand out like a hooker in church!! ;D :rimshot:
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Thanks guys! I'm looking forward to moving this along. I did just buy a vacuum press to apply the veneer, which won't be till later on the fall as I need to collect the rest of the parts and bags I need for vacuum pressing. I was gonna build one that could use my air compressor, but I just don't have enough room in my shop for it all. So, a small press was a better option and I found a new one for the same cost of building one!
I'm gonna give it a rest after I do the headstock logo and tape up the Hofner and BillyBo for S&S treatments later this week now that temps and humidity are dropping.
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Will be interested in seeing what you find for bags. I've got everything but them and I'm tired of screwing up veneer. I remember seeing a DIY bag article in Fine Woodworking many years ago.
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Will be interested in seeing what you find for bags. I've got everything but them and I'm tired of screwing up veneer. I remember seeing a DIY bag article in Fine Woodworking many years ago.
There's an excellent article here on building your own.
http://www.joewoodworker.com/veneering/welcome.htm
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Cool, I'll check it out. Thanks!
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Sounds like fun! I had a great 2 weeks off and still have a lot of parties and get togethers to squeeze in before summer fads away. It's been a good one so far! Glad you could enjoy your friends as well! Life is good!
Back again solo for a work trip a week Friday... more liver damage scheduled...
Beautiful work, Bill... truly craftmanship...
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Back again solo for a work trip a week Friday... more liver damage scheduled...
Beautiful work, Bill... truly craftmanship...
Sounds like fun Kenny. "Party on Garth!" :toast:
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Here's the inlay on the headstock..............used a 1/16" bit. It doesn't have to be exact as the epoxy fills nicely. I use a 5 minute epoxy with black powder to dye it.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3355.jpg)
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The plot thickens!
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Here ya go! The inlay is in and the epoxy works great. I used to use black CA and it shrinks and pits due to air bubbles. I must have had to do 5-6 applications on one inlay and that cured me! Don't even waste your time with it.
I gotta dot the "I" and order a Crown inlay to finish it off.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3363.jpg)
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that turned out great!
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that turned out great!
Thanks! The black epoxy is so perfect for these applications.
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Beautiful work, that black epoxy fills the bill. Are you going to use tinted clear to get the vintage look?
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Beautiful work, that black epoxy fills the bill. Are you going to use tinted clear to get the vintage look?
I haven't decided yet. The finish will be Reranch Fender Blonde that I might just leave out in the sun a bit for a vintage tanning. :)
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I was actually referring to the headstock inlays, they really show how much nitro yellows over time on vintage Gibson headstocks.
Look forward to seeing how your finish turns out. I use thinned white latex paint on ash to do blonde. I read Reranches tutorial about how to do a vintage faded TV yellow finish, that sounded worth trying sometime.
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Nice...
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that turned out sweet
now you have me wondering if i should do anything with that Norlin inlay i have
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As always just beautiful !
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I was actually referring to the headstock inlays, they really show how much nitro yellows over time on vintage Gibson headstocks.
Look forward to seeing how your finish turns out. I use thinned white latex paint on ash to do blonde. I read Reranches tutorial about how to do a vintage faded TV yellow finish, that sounded worth trying sometime.
Duh, I didn't catch that nuance! I might consider a little amber tint. I have a can of it for the Hofner President I'm working on, so it could come in handy.
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that turned out sweet
now you have me wondering if i should do anything with that Norlin inlay i have
Norlin?
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Norlin used to own Gibson in the 70's (??).
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Norlin used to own Gibson in the 70's (??).
Ohhhhhh....I missed that! I was still playing my j bass back then. :-\
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Norlin bought Gibson in 1969. Fender was sold to CBS in '65.
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Norlin?
Norlin used to own Gibson in the 70's (??).
welcome to the dark side, master will be with you shortly
(insert deep voiced insidious laugh here) :vader: :vader: :vader:
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welcome to the dark side, master will be with you shortly
(insert deep voiced insidious laugh here) :vader: :vader: :vader:
NO...! Surely not... Darth Hornung...!!!
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I thought Darth Hornung played running back for the Packers in the mid-60's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
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Darth had a great football career and later retired to the Haight to play ghost bass for Firesign Theater.
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I think he looks more like Chewbacca* in that pic ;D
*(Chromium Joe can fix the spelling if I spelled that wrong)
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Wow... never knew Uwe had sporting cousins, and Stateside too... 8)
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Darth had a great football career and later retired to the Haight to play ghost bass for Firesign Theater.
AH! Then he's probably responsible for that deathless & oft-quoted phrase "Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers."
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probably he is but for some unknown reason my memory from that era seems to be a bit shall i say "shrouded in mist". i am sure you will understand. i thought i was doing well to remember the name of the group! but alas for divine intervention i did pass my E-5 examination one of those next mornings up there at Rhode Island Naval Base. ;D
this was obviously before i fell in love with watching old Gibsons being restored to playability. what are you going to do with that extra hole in the control section Doc?
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welcome to the dark side, master will be with you shortly
(insert deep voiced insidious laugh here) :vader: :vader: :vader:
I guess that explains why this EB-3l is such a mongrel! Oh well, at least it's unusual!
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probably he is but for some unknown reason my memory from that era seems to be a bit shall i say "shrouded in mist". i am sure you will understand. i thought i was doing well to remember the name of the group! but alas for divine intervention i did pass my E-5 examination one of those next mornings up there at Rhode Island Naval Base. ;D
this was obviously before i fell in love with watching old Gibsons being restored to playability. what are you going to do with that extra hole in the control section Doc?
I dotted the "i" last night and will install the crown when it lands.
I am covering all of the extra control holes except the original ones with veneer and then plugging them.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/Misc%20Stuff/100_3384.jpg)
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This is it for a bit while I tape up some of my other projects for S&S this weekend. Next major item for this will be veneering the face of the body and installing the fret board. I'll post some pics then!
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:popcorn:
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:popcorn:
I didn't get squat done this weekend. I started installing a new sliding pocket door for our walk-in closet (required removing the old swinging door, frame and drywall and starting over) and wasted the entire weekend! And it's still not finished!!!! >:(
Maybe I can spray some basses this weekend...................... :P
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I didn't get squat done this weekend. I started installing a new sliding pocket door for our walk-in closet (required removing the old swinging door, frame and drywall and starting over) and wasted the entire weekend! And it's still not finished!!!! >:(
Maybe I can spray some basses this weekend...................... :P
Bummer! Monday the humidity got down to a Desertlike 43% for a few hours and I was able to get two basses sprayed. Back up in the 90s since then. Hope your weekend is dry.
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....the humidity got down to a Desertlike 43% for a few hours....
Dang, you've experienced a lot wetter deserts than I have........ :rolleyes:
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Dang, you've experienced a lot wetter deserts than I have........ :rolleyes:
Compared to around 80% for the day's low the last week or so...;)
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come spray in Pecos ... 94 right now @ 36% humidity ;D ;D with a cooling breeze from the East.
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come spray in Pecos ... 94 right now @ 36% humidity ;D ;D with a cooling breeze from the East.
That'll work!
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Shoot fa'ar, good buddy...come to Denver...31% right now.
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I know where your coming from, Bill... I raided my buddies old imperial bolt pile to find something to fit the RD's post holes to finally pull them and get on with my respray job, only to discover that they are well larger than the replacement posts I got - back the one I pulled went and I'll get a metric tap and re-cut - I need to get the fretless operational quicker than I expected and overtime's really lacking at the moment... at least I'm working which is a lot luckier than some of the guys out there...
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Shoot fa'ar, good buddy...come to Denver...31% right now.
today was just getting started now it is 100 @ 25%. damn glad it cooled down, been getting up there lately.
i'm back......had to go stick an apple slice in my rolling tobacco and my Jalapeno meatloaf is due out of the oven in 20.
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today was just getting started now it is 100 @ 25%. damn glad it cooled down, been getting up there lately.
i'm back......had to go stick an apple slice in my rolling tobacco and my Jalapeno meatloaf is due out of the oven in 20.
Not a smoker but I do like to eat! So that said, mind posting a lowdown on your meatloaf? ;)
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Not a smoker but I do like to eat! So that said, mind posting a lowdown on your meatloaf? ;)
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=4403.0
the recipe is not chisled in stone, change it up or down a bit according to your tastes.
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Finally had a few minutes to get into the shop..................the body is 90% stripped of finish and the crown came in the mail last week.
Ready to glue the fret board on this weekend and start plugging the extra 20 holes and rout in the body.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3416.jpg)
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Finally had a few minutes to get into the shop..................the body is 90% stripped of finish and the crown came in the mail last week.
Ready to glue the fret board on this weekend and start plugging the extra 20 holes and rout in the body.
Great looking headstock! Any thought to using a plug cutter for any of the holes?
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Great looking headstock! Any thought to using a plug cutter for any of the holes?
Didn't think of that. Since it has tuner holes underneath, I usually just use a forstner bit. To prevent tear out on the front. I drill a centering hole from the back and cut the hole from the front. Learned the hard way about tear out on other projects! :-\
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Once again I'm guilty of not being clear, I was referring to the body holes. Mahogany usually takes plugging fairly well but IIRC you were talking about veneering the entire front. Re tuner holes I usually have good results with a Forstner and backing wood. A centering hole drilled from the back is a good idea.
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Being of the perfectionist vein I use a plug cutter - while this will be under veneer I would still worry, needlessly, that the movement might eventually show. So using a face grain cut plug that aligned with grain of what I was plugging would make worry less about telegraphing the patch.
Yes, I know, some I could use some proffesional help..... :-[
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Once again I'm guilty of not being clear, I was referring to the body holes. Mahogany usually takes plugging fairly well but IIRC you were talking about veneering the entire front. Re tuner holes I usually have good results with a Forstner and backing wood. A centering hole drilled from the back is a good idea.
Opps, I didn't realize what you meant! Actually, I'm using a thicker veneer and will probably plug the holes (except the pup rout) from behind with an epoxy putty. We'll see how I fee at the time. A plug cutter is a good idea. I have a couple, I'll have to measure the larger holes to see if I have something to match them.
As for backing wood, I've had it work sometimes and other times not. So, I'm more cautious these days.
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If there's one thing I hate, it's gluing a new fret board on an existing neck. Clamping on the back of a profiled neck is a challenge, so you need some help. At first, I tried those nylon strap clamps, but I don't care for them. Takes too long to deploy and I don't think I can get the pressure I need to set a board properly. They can dig into the edges of the board and the back of the neck if you're not careful. Just not for me.
So, I finally decided all I needed was a caul to flatten out the back of the neck. I bought one of the SM neck cradles (had one already) and cut it to size for long and short scale necks and now clamping is a breeze.
Used my new system and it worked great. Once dry, I simply scrape and plane the edges of the board/neck (to remove residual glue and overhang) and sand flat with long sanding tool. Works like a charm and keeps the edge of the neck straight.............
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3419.jpg)
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I wish I had half your talent...
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I wish I had half your talent...
...and half your clamps ;D
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I wish I had half your talent...
You're making me blush! You've done just as nice work on your TB project. Don't sell yourself short!
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...and half your clamps ;D
I AM THE CLAMP KINGGGGGGGGG! If there's one thing I hate, it's not having everything clamped down tight. It's an obsession! :o I hate going back to a job and finding a gap or air pocket. It drives me nuts!
I've collected my clamps over several years. Every time I go to the store for something for my shop, I just pick up one or two more. And so, the collection grows. And they are soooooo handy.
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Better to clamp than cramp.......................or....something... :sad:
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I'm channeling old Get Smart episodes here:
"Cramp? No, Cramp!...the Cramp King!!!"
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I AM THE CLAMP KINGGGGGGGGG!
You are definitely the clamp king! When I got divorced I walked away from a 15+ year collection of clamps of all kinds but still don't think I had half as many as you. It really doesn't take many to build the kind of stuff I do now.
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I'm channeling old Get Smart episodes here:
"Cramp? No, Cramp!...the Cramp King!!!"
Not The Craw, The Craw!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftgAG3Vnif8
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Better to clamp than to fade away? 8)
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Oh yeah, "the Craw!" Good one! I loved Get Smart. A great spy spoof for sure.
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You've done just as nice work on your TB project. Don't sell yourself short!
That's just a fin, and you ain't seen the close-ups... ;D
There's art, and there's art...
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That's just a fin, and you ain't seen the close-ups... ;D
There's art, and there's art...
You're just being modest! Your refin was very creative and original. And I'm sure the quality is equally good.
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That's the art bit... the Tequila fin was art, too... just not to everybodies taste... :mrgreen:
She's got cellulite, though...! :o
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Either way, she's beautiful Kenny!
Here's my plug for the pup rout I don't need. I broke a few woodworker's rules. I didn't match the grain direction in my patch cuz it will be under a 1.1mm veneer cap, so i didn't worry about it. I should have routed the hole square on all sides and made a more perfect patch, but again, it'll be buried. So, it should work just fine.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/72%20EB-3L/100_3423.jpg)
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The top veneer I'll be using............
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The fret board is installed...........
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as Fonzi would say "coolamundo"
that fret board looks super ;)
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that fret board looks super ;)
Ditto on the headstock. Re the plug, sometimes sanding or scraping is a problem with the grain not running the same way. Not as difficult with mahogany as it is with a heavy grained species like ash. Is the veneer going to vacuum pressed?
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as Fonzi would say "coolamundo"
that fret board looks super ;)
Thanks to your donation!
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Ditto on the headstock. Re the plug, sometimes sanding or scraping is a problem with the grain not running the same way. Not as difficult with mahogany as it is with a heavy grained species like ash. Is the veneer going to vacuum pressed?
Yeah, I'll sand the patch level with my orbital and we'll be good to go. Yes, I broke down and bought a vacuum press, so this will be my first experience with it when the time comes. Looking forward to it since my previous veneering wasn't very good without a press.
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Hey Doc, long time... Nice job as always. When you go to veneer the top dont try to do anything that curves in a diff direction. Veneer can only be bent length wise or width wise , not both. I have a PRS CE that is stripped. I was going to put a "10" top on it like their high end axe's. a cabinet maker /mentor friend advised me against it. Granted a PRS contour has more dips & wiggles than that ol girl your restoring. PRS is on hold for now
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Good point. Luckily, the top where I'm applying the veneer is all flat. There is an elbow scallop, but I'm stopping at its edge.
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The patch is finished except for letting CA glue dry. I like to use it to fill the cracks. The residual scraps right off after it dries.
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The patch is finished except for letting CA glue dry. I like to use it to fill the cracks. The residual scraps right off after it dries.
Great tip, thanks!
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How are you handling the bridge inserts? I tend to pull the buggers before I work on the top.
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How are you handling the bridge inserts? I tend to pull the buggers before I work on the top.
I'm leaving the inserts in and pre-cutting holes in the veneer for them. Not worth the trouble to pull them out when they will be under the bridge and out of sight anyway.
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Looking good...
I'm still pending that on my RD - the new studs I got are much smaller than the originals - I was thinking about rethreading the originals but I'm not sure I'll just be wasting my time and end up with too little for secure support - gotta source some material to plug all them holes too... gonna keep the Les Paul pup selector position, though...
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Looking good...
I'm still pending that on my RD - the new studs I got are much smaller than the originals - I was thinking about rethreading the originals but I'm not sure I'll just be wasting my time and end up with too little for secure support - gotta source some material to plug all them holes too... gonna keep the Les Paul pup selector position, though...
Makes sense Kenny.
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Finished the patch, drilled the headstock for tuners, and made a template for the veneer. Got to head into work now!!!
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you could do the arm cut & cut away curves, just do it separately.Looks nice.M
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you could do the arm cut & cut away curves, just do it separately.Looks nice.M
I could, but under a white opaque paint, I didn't feel the urge!! :P
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Aaaahhhh! k, Ill shut up now. :mrgreen:
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I could, but under a white opaque paint, I didn't feel the urge!! :P
I can't wait to see how this turns out because I have one just waiting for the same treatment!
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I can't wait to see how this turns out because I have one just waiting for the same treatment!
Cool George! Is it an 0 or a 3?
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3L. The bridge pickup had been removed and routed for a Model G which I still need to send to Scott. I have an LP chrome humbucker I could put in there but it would split the pair. I was originally going to use both but I want to try the TB+ (in mudbucker mode) first. The bass is in good shape structurally. Now that I have a set of modern SG bass pickups coming, I'm thinking I should keep it as close to original (cosmetically) as I can, save for the new paint job. Polaris white is calling my name...
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TB+ (in mudbucker mode)
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intrigued... someone care to expand please...
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The newer EB-3 have TB+ pickups in disguise, there are not built like the old ones.
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is it just the wiring configuration then...?
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They've got just the looks, not the vintage mud/ploink combo.
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Kenny, it's basically a modern TB pickup that looks like a mudbucker. I originally wanted to build another EB Bird like this white one I bought a few years back (it's an EB4 modded with what I think are Greco pickups):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/gcarlston/Basses/ebbird-1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/gcarlston/Basses/Eb3l.jpg)
The natural EB3L is the one I was going to mod. I have a set of recent Les Paul Bass chrome pickups I was going to use, but now that I can get the sound I want with cosmetically matching pickups I think I should do it that way instead. I may even keep the varitone if it'll wire up with the new pickups. I've come to really like the long scale EB platform.
You may recognize the mudbucker pictured in that natural EB. ;)
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Not sure... looks rather chromier than I remember... ;D (sure sit's nice in the T'bird, which I should be out with tonight... ;))
Cheers for the enlightenment...
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Well, white is really cool on SGs for some reason. I cut the top veneer and will be working setting up the veneer pump over the next week or so. I used my Dremel with a 1/16" inlay bit. Perfect for cutting around curves.
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waiting to see more of this. it is looking good.
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waiting to see more of this. it is looking good.
Yep, I got my vacuum press and all the parts I need, just have to find some time to try it out! I'll post pictures when I do!
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I love this!
Can't wait to see the finished bass.
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I love this!
Can't wait to see the finished bass.
I'm getting there! I hope to do the press thing next week.
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:popcorn:
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Finally got back in the shop. Here's an update. I filled all of holes with epoxy putty, grain filled the entire bass and installed frets and matching pearl side dots. Now on to fret dressing today after church..........
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It's good that you feel well enough to get back in the shop!
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It's good that you feel well enough to get back in the shop!
Yep, it's fun to try to catch up on things. I finished the frets on the EB-3L. The best straightedge I ever bought was the board edge from SM. If your board is level, leveling the frets is a breeze. I use the truss rod adjustment and weights, if necessary, to get the board level. Makes life a lot easier. I tried the SM neck jig and it took forever to adjust. A pain in the butt. My method takes about 3 minutes or so.
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That notched straightedge makes much more sense to me than the neck jig.
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some nice work there,as ever.its good to see you back in the saddle.has that one got a mahogany neck?
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That notched straightedge makes much more sense to me than the neck jig.
Easy to make too. Great looking work, Bill. Glad you're back at it!
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Bill looks great! Pretty drool worthy EB3!
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your work is always top notch! must feel good to back in the shop :thumbsup:
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It feels great guys! I've been in there 3 days in a row and should be in everyday while I'm out of work. It feels good to be back to normal activities! ;D
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some nice work there,as ever.its good to see you back in the saddle.has that one got a mahogany neck?
It's a maple neck. It had a slight twist at the 1-2 frets, so I took off the old fretboard, added some shims to level it and installed a new board with some upgrades. I also added an ebony faceplate on the headstock with inlqays instead of the cheesy worn decal Gibson had put on originally.
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cool!i like the mahogany body/maple neck combo ,i think it sounds quite lively.got that on my eb4l too.
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Yep, I think it will sound pretty good too. Now I just have to get busy and finish it!!!
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It's a maple neck. It had a slight twist at the 1-2 frets, so I took off the old fretboard, added some shims to level it and installed a new board with some upgrades. I also added an ebony faceplate on the headstock with inlqays instead of the cheesy worn decal Gibson had put on originally.
my rivoli has the same issue....I'd love to send it to you when you have the time for an outside project
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my rivoli has the same issue....I'd love to send it to you when you have the time for an outside project
Oh that's right, I had forgotten about that. Maybe this spring if I'm stuck home a lot due to radiation treatments. I'll keep you in mind!
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Back on the tools... 8)
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I'm glad to see you back at work - with you and Carlo out for a while it got a little quiet here abouts. If I ever get these huge case pieces out of my shop I might get to work on something a little more fun.
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I'm glad to see you back at work - with you and Carlo out for a while it got a little quiet here abouts. If I ever get these huge case pieces out of my shop I might get to work on something a little more fun.
You should always find time to do something fun! I know it hasn't been easy for me lately, but I'm finally getting back into it. It's good therapy!