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I've had a 1985 Gibson Futura in my "Land of Misfit Toys" for aprox 25 years. It was supposedly designed to be a headless guitar but marketing didn't like it so they added a headstock, creating a confusing model that didn't sell.

Recently, Gibson sold a headless prototype for BIG Money & it sold quickly......... Who would have thought? Trogly, Dave's favorite blogger even did a video on it.........
https://www.guitarworld.com/news/gibsons-only-headless-guitar-has-a-headstock

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A guy on another forum was restoring an early EB-0 bass with banjo tuners. He asked which direction the tuners were supposed to turn to tune up the bass. The replacement tuners he installed all turned counter-clockwise to tune up the strings. There is a treble & bass side tuner, but they all turned the same way. After getting back home, I checked mine with original tuners & they all turned counter-clockwise also. I’ve owned the bass for about 25 years & never noticed that before. Much like all of the years I never notice that the “Elephant Ear” tuners on my ‘67 EB-2 turned backwards to most other tuners, I just tuned it & played it. Maybe I’m the last guy on earth to notice this, but I thought it might be noteworthy to fellow Gibson bass nerds……….


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Guitars Etc. / New Steinberger Guitar?
« on: June 17, 2022, 05:37:58 AM »

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Gibson Basses / Gibson 20/20 on eBay.....
« on: March 01, 2022, 07:33:04 AM »

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Bass Amps & Effects / Gibson LP-12 at Music Go Round in Burnsville MN
« on: July 14, 2021, 11:21:20 AM »
I was told that this amp was listed for $200.00 on Craigslist locally. Then someone bought it and re-listed it for $500 or $550. Now I see it listed on Reverb at a local Music Go Round for $450.00. It's not in the greatest of shape, but 51 years later not many complete amps have survived........

https://reverb.com/item/41717342-gibson-les-paul-1-2-guitar-and-bass-amplifier

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How Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page lost his prized guitar in Minneapolis and got it back 45 years later
Jimmy Page's famous guitar spent 45 years in the Twin Cities.
By Jon Bream Star Tribune JULY 7, 2020 — 5:03PM

WILLIE'S AMERICAN GUITARS
Jimmy Page’s guitar in Willie’s American Guitars in St Paul.

This is the story of Black Beauty. Not the horse, but a legendary guitar. And the people who possessed it. Or were possessed by it.

Black Beauty has been displayed at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City. It has been heard on such 1960s classics as Petula Clark’s “Downtown” and Donovan’s “Sunshine Superman.” And it spent 45 anonymous years in the Twin Cities, mostly in the hands of a musician who didn’t know he had an instrument that was stolen from guitar god Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin.

The saga of Page’s Black Beauty — a 1960 Les Paul Custom Gibson electric guitar — features a threatening thief, a cash-hungry widow, the occult, black-light forensics, a circumspect go-between and a whole lotta rock ’n’ roll. The tale has more twists and turns than “Stairway to Heaven.”

“Jimmy’s really into the occult. I don’t know if he put a curse on the guitar,” said Twin Cities vintage-guitar maven Nate Westgor, owner of Willie’s American Guitars, who twice had Black Beauty in his St. Paul shop. “I had it in my house for a couple of months, and it kind of freaked me out.”

The super-private Page has a reputation of being fascinated with black magic and the supernatural. He even purchased controversial occultist Aleister Crowley’s manor in 1971.


Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin performed at Metropolitan Sports Center in Bloomington on April 12, 1977.
The reality is that Black Beauty is “Jimmy’s Rosebud,” said Westgor, referring to the mysteriously cherished sled in the classic movie “Citizen Kane.”

Page acquired his coveted Les Paul Custom when he was 18, in 1962, via layaway from a London music shop for a then princely sum of 185 pounds. Given its various features, this instrument offered more versatility for an in-demand studio guitarist who was often doing three different recording sessions per day, never knowing in advance what was expected of him. Page recorded with the Kinks, the Who, Marianne Faithfull, Them, Shirley Bassey, Tom Jones, Lulu, Joe Cocker, Donovan, Petula Clark and even the Beatles.

Page also gigged in bands, notably the Yardbirds and, starting in 1968, Led Zeppelin, which regularly performed in the United States. In April 1970, the British heavyweights rocked the old Met Center in Bloomington, with Montreal as their next stop. That was the first U.S. tour on which Page brought his beloved Black Beauty.

Stolen at MSP?

As legend has it, the guitar was stolen by a baggage attendant at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

“That guy was a black belt and threatened to kill anybody,” Westgor said.

Desperate to find his prized guitar, Page ran ads in Rolling Stone, seeking its return “no questions asked.” Crickets. Whenever on tour in North America, he stopped by many a guitar shop looking for his lost instrument.

Apparently, the guitar — which had been remodeled to remove some of Page’s telltale customizations but not the serial number — remained under the thief’s bed until about 1992, when it showed up at Westgor’s then four-year-old shop.

“A guy walks in and says, ‘I have Jimmy Page’s guitar.’ I’d never seen this guy before.”


NATE WESTGOR
The serial number on a guitar owned by Jimmy Page. It is the same number as in a Rolling Stone ad.
The mystery man said he paid $5,000 to the widow of the baggage carrier who stole it. Westgor acquired it for that same amount.

However, evaluations by Westgor and fellow St. Paul vintage-guitar dealer Pete Alenov (who reached out to Page’s people) determined that it wasn’t the purloined instrument. So Westgor sold it for $5,500 to one of his employees, Paul Claesgens, aka Bleem, of the Twin Cities power-pop trio Propeller.

“The thing sounded like the voice of God when you played it,” Claesgens said last week.

Not knowing he had a super-valuable guitar, Claesgens sometimes used the instrument to shield against beer bottles tossed at the stage, and he occasionally left his Les Paul overnight in Wisconsin clubs, fully expecting it to be there for the next night’s gig.

In 2014, Claesgens brought the guitar to Willie’s for repairs. And Westgor, being the guitar geek he is, put it under black light.

“People that do cars will use black light to see flaws. Same thing with guitars,” Westgor explained. “After lacquer sits for a while, it sinks. And the guitar began to show itself.”

That “sinking” enabled him to discover the screw holes for Page’s two extra toggle switches that had been removed and covered up. And, along with a particularly distinctive mother of pearl fret, Westgor confirmed that this was indeed the long-lost Black Beauty.

Even though Westgor knew that Claesgens, down on his luck because of extensive medical bills, could use the money if he sold the pre-eminent guitar, they agreed to do the right thing, and return Black Beauty to Page.

Negotiating the return

In the past 30 years, Westgor has done business with Eric Clapton, Bruce Springsteen and some of the biggest names in rock, but he didn’t have a Page connection. So he reached out to his contacts in the Rolling Stones camp. They suggested a go-between.


NATE WESTGOR
A 12th fret marker was used to confirm that the guitar belonged to Jimmy Page. The lightning bolt, with three stars to the left, can be seen in some old photos.
Producer/musician Perry Margouleff, a friend of Page’s, collects vintage guitars and owns a recording studio in New York’s Long Island. Margouleff and Westgor hatched a solution: Page would give Claesgens a comparable Les Paul Custom — a 1959 model, value about $45,000 — in exchange for Black Beauty. (Guitar geeks: Only 189 of these 1960 Les Paul Customs were shipped, 246 for the ’59 version.)

In October 2015, Westgor drove Black Beauty — he didn’t dare fly with it — to Texas, where he met Margouleff at the Arlington Guitar Show for the swap. The go-between then delivered Black Beauty to Page in London.

“When I told Jimmy in 1987 that I’d make a mission to find his guitar, I thought the probability was very small,” Margouleff said last week. “I was astonished when I finally had it in my hands.

“When I brought the guitar to his home, he was just so happy. It was an incredibly emotional moment. We sat and had a cup of tea and discussed the events of getting the guitar back for a good 20 minutes before he opened the case. He just couldn’t believe it.”

Margouleff then called Westgor and handed the phone to Page.

“We talked a bit about old guitars,” Westgor recalled. “He said, ‘I can’t thank you and this Bleem fellow enough.’ I told him the guitar has a story to tell with a fairy-tale ending. Jimmy said, ‘Yes, exactly. Brilliant. It is a novel.’?”

Claesgens — that Bleem fellow — never heard a word from Page, though he’s happy with his replacement guitar. He recorded with it this week with his band Brass Elephant.

No comments from Page

The ever-inscrutable Page made no public comments about the return of Black Beauty. In 2019, it finally resurfaced publicly as one of seven Page guitars in New York’s Metropolitan Museum of Art exhibit “Play It Loud: Instruments of Rock ’n’ Roll.”

Page acknowledges the return of Black Beauty in his new book “The Anthology,” coming this fall, which is what prompted Westgor to finally share this saga.

Willie's American Guitars owner Nate Westgor and Paul “Bleem” Claesgens at Westgor's shop in St. Paul. Westgor held a reissued copy of a 1958 Gibson Les Paul Custom guitar. Claesgens returned Jimmy Page’s missing guitar and got this 1959 Gibson Les Paul Custom in a trade.
The rock hero devotes an entire page to the mystery, with few details. He points out that his pal Margouleff was able to positively identify Black Beauty because the 12th fret has “an unusual mother of pearl inlay that had a stripe across it.”

Writes Page: “I found it hard to believe that I was going to get the guitar back after all those years.”

What is Black Beauty worth? If a guitar belonging to Nirvana’s Kurt Cobain went for a record $6 million at auction this summer, Westgor guesstimates Page’s prize is worth $10 million. Not that Page would ever part with his Rosebud.

 
https://www.startribune.com/how-led-zeppelin-s-jimmy-page-lost-his-prized-guitar-in-minneapolis-and-got-it-back-45-years-later/571659372/




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I just picked up another low impedance Les Paul pickup. I was thinking about the possibility of installing it in one of the new Les Paul DC basses when a project bass shows up on the Bay. The pickup is a bit thinner & a bit longer, but I think it will be a good fit with a little modification. Could even incorporate a coil tap switch & internal transformer but keep it simple. I hate to see these stripped down guitars sold on eBay, but they must sell. The guitar version is already on the chopping block. Any thoughts?

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Gibson Basses / Gibson Les Paul Bass, 50 Years!
« on: February 29, 2020, 01:39:00 PM »
After purchasing the Les Paul Jr DC Bass, it dawned on me that the Les Paul Bass was approx 50 years old. My six examples cover quite a bit of the span, even though the time between 1974 & 2011 are missing. Until the last two models, a short scale Les Paul Bass wasn’t in production since 1979.


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Gibson Basses / Unusual 1969-1970 EB-0
« on: February 09, 2020, 08:25:37 AM »
A member of the Gibson Forum posted this bass. It doesn't look to be altered at all, at least to me. The pot code is 1376934. I wonder if it was an early attempt to reposition the Mudbucker to get more treble. EB-0's during this time were slotheads. I asked the guy to peak under the pick guard between the neck & the pickup to see if it was covering up the original pickup cavity, it was not. Has anybody else seen anything like this?




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Gibson Basses / 2020 20/20 Reissue, Where are you????
« on: December 22, 2019, 08:34:23 AM »
Over 4 years ago, I posted this:

Henry, if you're listening, you have four years to prepare yourself for the 20/20 reissue............

A 2020 20/20 reissue only seems logical. Make it Bluetooth or something so it doesn't sell again..........

"The Visionary 2020 20/20, the Future of Fugly Today!"


I’m still waiting! Not a peep from the new management! If they produce at least five of them, I’d bet that they’re sell at least four!

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