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Gibson Basses / Re: Epiphone Vintage Pro mini review
« on: January 18, 2018, 12:34:21 PM »
     I am very impressed with this bass, it really sounds like a 60's Thunderbird!

Sorry if this has been discussed many times before but are the pickups in exact 60's 'bird locations? I'm trying to kill my gas and secretly wish they aren't but since you say it does sound like a 60's bird I think I'm in trouble...

The Outpost Cafe / Re: Fast Eddie Clarke RIP
« on: January 13, 2018, 02:52:38 AM »
R.I.P. Eddie. Just as I ordered and received the expanded 2CD editions of my fav 'head albums "Overkill" and "Another Perfect Day". Dare I even play the latter...

Eddie's lead playing has a haunting quality. I love how they applied some reverb. Hard to describe but it reminds me of a wet asphalt on a city by night. :)

One of my favs:

Other Bass Brands / Re: Hamer 8 string in action
« on: December 20, 2017, 09:48:14 AM »
I love playing Hots On For Nowhere on 8 string. Not easy! In fact, there are tons of Zep riffs that work great on an 8. Black Dog is another.

I love how "Presence" is mixed, at least for "Royal Orleans" and "Nobody's Fault". When you turn down the other channel you can almost hear Jones and Bonham exclusively (playing with Plant, of course).

And I agree with the riffs, lots of good stuff for an 8 or 12. With a dropped-D tuning "Kashmir" works great. Especially Kevin Gilbert's amazing version.

Other Bass Brands / Re: Hamer 8 string in action
« on: December 20, 2017, 09:43:52 AM »
Are you saying he had the triple omega for the recording? I thought it was the Hagstron, but could definitely be wrong. I love playing Hots On For Nowhere on 8 string. Not easy! In fact, there are tons of Zep riffs that work great on an 8. Black Dog is another.

According to this it was:

But Jones also claimed he started to use roundwounds with all his basses in the late '60s but in the Guitar Player interview in 1977 he said he always used flats for his Jazz (and he did, just look and hear "The Song Remains The Same" flick) and even tried them on his Alembic but "they sort of killed it". So it's at least an 8-string on half of "Presence". :)

What's your verdict on "Ozone Baby", eight or four?  Couldn't find a youtube link that worked so you have to walk to your cd/vinyl shelf and put "Coda" on. :D

Other Bass Brands / Re: Hamer 8 string in action
« on: December 20, 2017, 05:42:27 AM »

Instead I will say thanks DMN for posting another great Zep track. I never realized there was 8-string on this album! I had assumed there were doubled guitar lines, but this makes much more sense sonically, and now I can't un-hear it :)
And of course well documented on the interwebs now that I'm looking:

It's on "Achilles", "Nobody's Fault" and "Royal Orleans", am I right? I used to be sure that he used a Hagström HB8 on "Presence" but did he already had the Triple Omega by late '75? Anyway, a great sound.
EDIT: He did, I should have opened your link...

How about "Ozone Baby"? I think it's an 8-string or then he really cranked up the Alembic's high frequencies

And Chris Squire had very creative way to use an 8-string with Yes and on his solo album. This track features his potatohead Ric 8-string and a non-reverse T-Bird IV plus some doubleneck Gibson EB at the end:

Other Bass Brands / Re: Hamer 8 string in action
« on: December 20, 2017, 05:34:50 AM »
"Simon Phillips was probably the best drummer they had technically ..."

SP has great chops, but you can't reduce him to just that

I don't and I really am a big fan of his playing. I don't care for Toto but I love his playing on for example "801 Live", Mike Rutherford's "A Smallcreep's Day", Gary Moore's "Back On The Streets" and the aforementioned Pete Townshend albums. "Give Blood" is an amazing drum track by him.

Other Bass Brands / Re: Hamer 8 string in action
« on: December 19, 2017, 01:36:34 PM »
He wouldn't have lasted long with a Southern Rock band.

Maybe he does it on purpose. To save him from playing in a Southern Rock band. Just in case.

Other Bass Brands / Re: Hamer 8 string in action
« on: December 19, 2017, 01:16:30 PM »
"Success Story" is all bass, an 8-string Ric and a solo on a Fenderbird or Explorerbird.

Simon Phillips was probably the best drummer they had technically but I think even he would have admitted that nobody replaces Keith Moon. Which is a good thing too, the world isn't ready for another Moonie. :D

Phillips is superb on Pete's solo albums. Especially on "All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes".

Other Bass Brands / Re: Hamer 8 string in action
« on: December 19, 2017, 02:35:48 AM »
And it goes to show that you don't really "hear" the double-octave characteristic of an 8 string bass (just like you don't "hear" it in almost all Cheap Trick songs) unless you dial in an extreme sound or play it with a lot of distortion/effects. To my ears, the best 8 string bass sound captured on a popular recording is still this one here:

In fairness: Probably aided to a large part by the fact that with ELP there was no guitar to get in the way of that 8-string sound! You can hear that Lake essentially "strums" that Alembic like an acoustic guitar for percussive effect (which sounds nice).

Greg was great but I hate his squeaky clean eight string tone. John Entwistle had a much better sound with Alembic basses.

The reason you don't hear the 12-string bass on almost all Cheap Trick songs is because it isn't there. When it is, it is usually heard quite easily. For example "Gonna Raise Hell" (an 8-string) or lots of tracks on their excellent 1997 release "Cheap Trick". Or this:

(God I hate those synthetic horns. Ruins a great song).

I agree that the octave string bass is best when it has space or when it has a massive sound like Petersson and Entwistle had on stage, not to mention Doug Pinnick whose tone with the 4-string is almost the same. :) I've been doing duo gigs with a singer/guitarist who plays an acoustic with occasional effects. 12-string bass is a perfect tool for that setting.

The Bass Zone / Re: Max Webster
« on: October 19, 2017, 03:41:28 PM »
The boxed set arrived today, the cardboard box is incredibly flimsy and cheap, but the 8 albums (one of them under the Kim Mitchell moniker) are nicely packaged in mini gatefold sleeves. Today is gonna be Max Webster day at the office!  :mrgreen:

I was quite disappointed at the packaging and the lack of booklet (the box advertisements failed to mention clearly that the booklet and all the extra stuff is included only within the vinyl box) and the box is indeed flimsy as flimsy can be. Mini gatefolds are nice 'though all the original artwork is not included, for example there's no lyrics anywhere.

I did a bit of complaining and even suggested that the booklet could be made available as a download. We'll see...I won't be buying the vinyl box since I have the lot on vinyl. At least I'm against buying it right now...:D

But, the price was very cheap and they sound great. "Mutiny" seems to have gained a bit of extra low end which is a good thing. Plus the extra disc "The Bootleg" has some gems. "Walden 5" is a nice proggy pop from Terry Watkinson, reminds me a bit of The Tubes. Live "Research At The Beach Resorts" blows away it's studio counterpart. "Battlescar" demo sounds empty without "the other band".
On the other hand, all the 1979 extra live stuff left me wanting more. An expanded "Live Magnetic Air" for example.

The Bass Zone / Re: Max Webster
« on: August 16, 2017, 03:51:08 AM »

And yes, I'll buy that Max Webster Boxed Set in a heartbeat.  :mrgreen:

Do you have the book? Written by Martin Popoff. Essential reading.

The Bass Zone / Re: Max Webster
« on: August 11, 2017, 08:14:08 AM »
I just saw this thread for the first time and it's hilarious to me that MW have any non-Cannuk fans in this day and age.

Well, Finland and Canada have much in common. I know quite a lot Webster fans but of course a lot more Rush fans who know nothing about the mighty Max. A kid brother Rush? More like their weird uncle.

The Bass Zone / Re: Max Webster
« on: August 11, 2017, 03:13:38 AM »
A Max Webster box. Never imagined it would happen but I'm happy to be wrong. My favourite Canadian band.

The cd version was quite cheap and I already have them all on vinyl (who wouldn't? :) ).

Fender Basses / Re: Incoming Performer
« on: August 06, 2017, 12:42:21 PM »

I saw Magma earlier this year. It is basically a revolving cast of musicians with the drummer (of mad starey eyes) being the only constant member.

I saw them in 2004 and going to see them again in October. A truly original band who created a whole new genre (Zeuhl). Bassist Philippe Bussonet has been with the band for almost 20 years and uses the same cello tuning (octave lower of course) that Jannik Top brought to Magma when he joined in 1973.
Their latest albums like "K.A.", "Ementeht-Re" and "Slag Tanz" are outstanding and could be even better than their seventies material.

I wasn't sure that Klaus was the same guy who wrote the Fender book so hanks for clearing that up. Are there any Magma -related pics in it?

Rickenbacker Basses / Re: Jerome Rimson's Rickenbacker...or is it?
« on: July 26, 2017, 07:40:24 AM »
Mystery solved! Thanks Jerome!

And while you're here...

Did you play fretless bass on Thin Lizzy's "Fats" (Renegade 1981)? There's no credit in the sleeve but you played fretless on his solo albums on songs like "Solo In Soho" and at that time only Phil Lynott seemed to know which song went to his solo albums and which to Lizzy. "Fats" is definitely one more suited to his solo albums but went to Lizzy instead.

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