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Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Dave W on April 11, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
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This didn't end well.
Alt-rock band sentenced for selling fake high-end guitars
(http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/Alt-rock_band_sentenced_for_targeting_pawn_shops_with_fake_Martin_high-end_guitars.html)
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Their spiritual cousins are on TB re-labeling Squiers as Fenders, while swearing on a stack of metaphorical bibles that THEY would never misrepresent their instrument when selling it. Of course, they totally disregard what is probably going to happen down the line when the instrument changes hands again.
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The moral of the story: stick to selling drugs :-*
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Their spiritual cousins are on TB re-labeling Squiers as Fenders, while swearing on a stack of metaphorical bibles that THEY would never misrepresent their instrument when selling it. Of course, they totally disregard what is probably going to happen down the line when the instrument changes hands again.
Anyone who would do that is a POS.
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Well that's one way to finance touring .....
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Anyone who would do that is a POS.
I would bet that some of them are telling the truth that they would inform a buyer that their bass isn't a Fender, but a Squier with a changed headstock decal. These are the players who seek status by changing a headstock decal - otherwise called "poseurs."
However, their rejection of responsibility for later sales of that same instrument is a farce.
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I would bet that some of them are telling the truth that they would inform a buyer that their bass isn't a Fender, but a Squier with a changed headstock decal. These are the players who seek status by changing a headstock decal - otherwise called "poseurs."
However, their rejection of responsibility for later sales of that same instrument is a farce.
Yes, I agree.
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Re-labeling Squiers as Fenders is wrong -- and the guitar or bass will be sold somewhere down the line, possibly by someone who doesn't know its history.
But that's not in the same category as conspiring to commit fraud on shops across the country. These guys are lucky their punishment is relatively light.
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Re-labeling Squiers as Fenders is wrong -- and the guitar or bass will be sold somewhere down the line, possibly by someone who doesn't know its history.
But that's not in the same category as conspiring to commit fraud on shops across the country. These guys are lucky their punishment is relatively light.
I also noticed that the sentencing seemed way too lenient.
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According to the article, their average sale was $340. I figure they should have had to pay $200 a pop for guitars good enough to pass for a $1k Martin. Somebody wanted to believe they were getting a good deal. "Unsuspecting pawn shops'...hah.
Sentence too lenient? I agree they should have been sentenced to at least as much time as the guys who crashed the economy.
What EXACTLY should their sentences have been? On a scale of 'tsk, tsk' to lopping off a hand or two. :bored:
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The moral of the story: stick to selling drugs :-*
Yeah, I'm a sucker for tradition too ;D
Rick
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I'm surprised Norman's Rare Guitars hasn't taken this down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI44emD1SrA
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Any advertising is good advertising, so they say... not...
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Breaking an acoustic guitar is a "rock and roll" moment? Sounds like it could have come right out of A Mighty Wind.
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Just what you'd expect of these so-called alternative rock bands. Nuff said. :popcorn:
Stadium rock bands don't do that. They are too scared of their managers finding out.
(http://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/petergrantbysidneysmithpraulsmsncom.jpg)
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I think we need a 29 page thread that asks the question; Are Squiers &enders? :bored:
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Flash thought: These guys will be doing a lot of unplugged in the living room. With electronic ankle bands.
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I think we need a 29 page thread that asks the question; Are Squiers &enders? :bored:
They share all their vile characteristics, but sell cheaper thus endangering our youth through sheer abundant availability!!! A scourge, yet nobody does anything about it.
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Stadium rock bands don't do that. They are too scared of their managers finding out demanding a cut.
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True!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Peter Grant would have made a franchise out of it. He's the former manager of Led Zeppelin, Jake.
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The way you keep working Zep into every topic makes me wonder, Uwe.
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Well, it does make a change to Itchi Rakemore... :mrgreen:
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I have my pet subjects! And it is all connected anyway. Robert Plant and Jimmy Page (drummer and bassist of Deep Purple, Jake!) saw the Sex Pistols live and liked them. As did Rory Gallagher, so much he disbanded his band thereafter and binned a whole album ("Notes from San Francisco"). Even Ian Anderson (
singer of Yes, Jethro Tull) liked them. The "us against them" was hyped by the press at the time.
A classic quote of the time was by Jimmy Page in the NME who when asked whether the Sex Pistols concert he saw and liked reminded him of his Yardbirds days of yore: "No, they reminded of the Led Zeppelin rehearsal we had just before Robert and I slipped away to see them!" Zep were at the time practicing Presence tracks to take on the road.
Ah, such shattered illusions and preconceptions!
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I can't even tell what you're doing anymore; are you trolling or just old? :P
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Well, truth be trolled...
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I liked that song. Mink DeVille - Spanish Troll.
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They share all their vile characteristics, but sell cheaper thus endangering our youth through sheer abundant availability!!! A scourge, yet nobody does anything about it.
Hey! I resemble that remark! (For Uwe's benefit: Three Stooges reference.)
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The way you keep working Zep into every topic makes me wonder, Uwe.
Seriously! LOL!
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Seriously! LOL!
He's being seriously obnoxious just to try to irritate me.
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Dave, even when the levee breaks, don't always put yourself at the center of things! :mrgreen:
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Dave, even when the levee breaks, don't always put yourself at the center of things! :mrgreen:
And it continues. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I made a sincere request not to turn the AC/DC thread into yet another pointless back-and-forth discussion of Led Zeppelin. You not only made a point of ignoring me, you mocked me by deliberately driving another unrelated thread off-topic into Led Zeppelin.
It's not funny, it's obnoxious, and you ought to be able to see from Tom and Jake's comments that I'm not the only one who feels this way.
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I mock everyone - hopefully good-naturedly - here and am allowed to be mocked by everyone, whether good-naturedly or not. Mercy neither expected nor granted. Quite possibly, I enjoy slipping a few Led Zep titles in and even more so that you recognize them.
Since the dawn of man threads have been going off subject here ("where off topic discussion is welcome") and very often return miraculously to the orginal subject just like verbal discussion of a family at dinner wanders off and meets again (or two different things are being discussed by different participants at the same time over the table, happens all the time in my family).
The AC/DC thread turned to Led Zep for a short while, because Zep was given as an example of how a band should end gracefully and people in the AC/DC thread worried whether the band might decide to continue in the absence of Malcolm as it obviously now has. Zep discussion did not center on how good or bad the band was, but on Plant's refusal to reform it except for impromptu events (and whether you thought that artistically credible or not). Meanwhile that same thread discusses bagpipes, but who knows it might turn to AC/DC yet again. Or a new bagpipe thread turns to AC/DC or - Thor forbid! - Led Zeppelin, stranger things have happened at the LBO or the land of ice and snow.
Then you crash the party having read and disliked the mentioning of Led Zeppelin (without most likely having read how and why Led Zep got in there, because you didn't care) and leave the crowning remark that they are a shitty band that doesn't know how to rock'n'roll. A statement of utmost pertinence to the original subject, namely bagpipes, Led Zeppelin, no ... what was it again ... AC/DC! Unless, of course, AC/DC knows how to rock'n'roll and Led Zep doesn't and that was the point you wanted to make just like Chuck Berry (or was it Angus Young?) elevated John Mayall's Bluesbreakers' Beano album and Eric Clapton somehow sucked all along. Make of that what you will. :o Ramble on.
You've pushed me into defending Led Zep the Un-Deep Purple, of all bands. I'll never forgive you that, Dave! ;D
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I'm OK (I'm not a Zep fan though I do appreciate Bonham's contribution to the art of membranophony, that is, mostly, illustrating the common Latin root of the French word for his instrument with the English word for vigorous pummeling).
Mostly I was teasing Uwe about his fixations, with a subtle hint of 'don't poke the bull,' but lawyers aren't that good at picking up on subtlety when they are otherwise focused. ... and while it's open season on Uwe, I would like to point out a bit of irony: like himself, I am a also little peaved that he once forced me into defending those satanist junkie sex maniacs ;P . Something about his Germano-Prussian ancestry forces him to view the loose jammy feel of the band as sloppiness.
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Since the dawn of man threads have been going off subject here ("where off topic discussion is welcome") and very often return miraculously to the orginal subject just like verbal discussion of a family at dinner wanders off and meets again (or two different things are being discussed by different participants at the same time over the table, happens all the time in my family).
You're being disingenuous. You know very well that "where off topic discussion is welcome" means topics not related to bass. It's never meant ruining threads just for the hell of it by deliberately taking them off topic. And you know I've never objected when threads naturally go off topic. That's not what happened in the AC/DC thread and you know it.
I don't care who does or doesn't like other bands. That's just a matter of personal taste. I only made my "shitty band" comment because I was angry that the thread had deliberately been derailed and was turning into yet another dreary LZ discussion. Enough is enough. Not funny in the least.
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"Mostly I was teasing Uwe about his fixations ..."
:mrgreen:
We could always form a club of "The Unwilling Sex Zep Offenders". People could register our addresses for surveillance so the neighborhood feels safe.
Is it ok to discuss AC/DC in this thread for once? My German-Prussian ancestry might find the "Satanist Junkie Sex Maniacs" :mrgreen: too loose, but AC/DC - especially in the early days - I always found a little too stiff (no double entendre intended for once!), heavy-handed is another word. Not as heavy-handed as Kiss on a non-Bob Ezrin produced bad day, but too "rock" and too little "roll" for my taste. Hard to describe in words, but this here sounds un-Teutonic to me, it rolls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNPJuJSVmNA
AC/DC very often just rocks to my ears, there is nothing playful to the groove.
Comprendre? Even something as heavy as this here "rolls" in my ears due to Bill Ward's drums (though Black Sabbath have no doubt had technically more proficient drummers).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKDv53XdSn8
I know how people rave about the Rudd/Williams rhythm section, but the magic eludes me (of course they play well and tight, but I don't hear no magic). AC/DC sounds rigid to me, choppy riffs, straight fundament, very little syncopation there. I never hear anything bubbling like the bass line of Free's Alright Now for example was, a song not totally unsimilar to Highway to Hell.
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1. You're being disingenuous. You know very well that "where off topic discussion is welcome" means topics not related to bass. It's never meant ruining threads just for the hell of it by deliberately taking them off topic.
2. And you know I've never objected when threads naturally go off topic. That's not what happened in the AC/DC thread and you know it.
Guilty on count 1, but it was worth a try and strictly wording oriented interpretation which per se is permissible! 8)
Not guilty on count 2, Zep only got in there (and not even via me I cry!) because they are an example of a band not continuing once the original line up becomes defunct. They are probably the most famous example for it too. And their temptations (making shitloads of money via continuing, not that I mind) are similar to AC/DC and they are a comparable mega-act. That was a natural transition/connection to me. You were just set off/triggered for whatever reason.
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Returning (more or less) to the original topic, I wouldn't be surprised if any number of touring bands had a side business in distributing various substances as an income supplement. There have certainly been enough touring bands with marginal income to make add-on revenue sources attractive.
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Are bagpipes and Hellcats still Kosher...?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9VLwV48OHs
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Returning (more or less) to the original topic, I wouldn't be surprised if any number of touring bands had a side business in distributing various substances as an income supplement. There have certainly been enough touring bands with marginal income to make add-on revenue sources attractive.
In the seventies Jon Lord had a doppelgänger who followed the band around its endless tours in the US selling bad coke to people and claiming to be him. The Purple organisation found out when there were repeated customer complaints! Coke on the waaaater ... :mrgreen:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cg2O4SsHQw&feature=kp
"...We toured to the north, south, east and west
We sold some mushroom tea,
We sold some ecstasy,
We sold nitrus, opium, acid, heroin and PCP..."
Not that I advocate that... or even digging this band.