Had to be done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbr60I0u2Ng
Anything with your eight-string, Tom...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep7FWnbAaCI
Not a Ric. One of the ugliest fakes ever made...Yeah, when I took the still I began to doubt. Sorry about that! :-[
We play that number, and the bass on that version is about as easy to hear as any I've found. I sent myself a link home to use for practice. Gracias!
Glad everyone likes it. It's always neat to see an electric bass on black and white footage. I'm sure there have got to be some other old shots of rics beside this. Post it up if you can find them.
Yeah Pil but look at the head he's standing on :rimshot:
Achtung, jetzt wird gejazzrockt!!! Hellmut Hattler, Germany's most famous Ric'ist:
Just a tad more choreographic work with the mimes, and this would be a major hit!
Kraan - So... nobody told these guys that people hate mimes? Holy smokes, that's hard to watch!
MEOW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8t4lYNjS0Y&index=1&list=FLR_2iW0Gd8Sabr0EmNNoE7Q
John Birch is the Rick copy with the black position markers.
I'd love to find footage of Jim Reeves and his Blue Boys with their Ricks (http://www.jim-reeves.com/432x263xblueboys-postcardf.gif.pagespeed.ic.5jVuKWGxBS.jpg) but the only film footage I've seen has the lead guitarist and bassist playing Fenders.
If you lived in Minnesota in the 80's you couldn't get away from these guys (and girl). It even appears to be a 4002.
Achtung, jetzt wird gejazzrockt!!! Hellmut Hattler, Germany's most famous Ric'ist:
Good find! That was from the movie Kimberly Jim. IIRC it hadn't been released yet when he died.
The Hollies, 1975.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl5vi9ir49g
Geez, what a voice! And what is that bass player, like 15 years old???
That's the great Tony Hicks! He's the guitarist, they must've been between bassists when the video was shot.
You bet! That video was from 1975, so despite his young-looking face, he must have been at least 30. He was one of the early members of the Hollies.Yup he's 70 now.
Bump for musical greatness!That's a 4000 model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6QMFGRh47A
Stanley Clark rocking a 4001, back when Return to Forever still had Bill Connors on guitar.A surprisingly heavy hard-rock tune from The Sweet.
...I gather that Rick Turner basically doorstepped Stanley after a gig and said 'great playing, bad tone' or words to that effect. I'm not the biggest fan of Stanley's tone, especially when he first got the Alembic bassesIIRC, Stanley was playing a Gibson EB-0 when Rick told him his tone sucked. :mrgreen:
IIRC, Stanley was playing a Gibson EB-0 when Rick told him his tone sucked. :mrgreen:
It was actually a Gibson EB2, according to the bass book by tony bacon. Strange choice for that kind of music!Okay, so it sucked twice as much (two pickups to provide the suck). :mrgreen:
If he had only stuck with it, all those solo albums might have been listenable! And he'd hang out here with us :)
Okay, so it sucked twice as much (two pickups to provide the suck). :mrgreen:
It was actually a Gibson EB2, according to the bass book by tony bacon. Strange choice for that kind of music!Maybe for upright people, a bass with undefined tone and f-holes makes the move easier. Steve Swallow also had an EB2 period when he switched from upright to bass guitar. He once said in an old interview that it had to be a semi-acoustic bass, he couldn't bring himself to play a solidbody, he had to feel the bass vibrate against his chest like an upright.
The EB-2 only has one pickup (the rarer EB-2D has two).Right you are, for some reason I read that as EB-3. :rolleyes:
Maybe for upright people, a bass with undefined tone and f-holes makes the move easier. Steve Swallow also had an EB2 period when he switched from upright to bass guitar. He once said in an old interview that it had to be a semi-acoustic bass, he couldn't bring himself to play a solidbody, he had to feel the bass vibrate against his chest like an upright.So, what's the best bass for someone first switching from upright to electric? :mrgreen:
Oh yeah, FF are convinced Ricsters. In America, no one just gives a rat's ass about them.
Further research reveals that the heart-shaped guitar for the guitarist was custom-built for him by John Birch so that is likely the source of the 8-string Ric-O-Fake too.
Have we seen this one in this thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbfw1YfeAlA
That Mud 8 string is a faker. I can't think of the name, but I think it's a British make. Jaydee? Peter Cook??? I've seen 4 string versions - maple board, multiple pole pieces on the pups...
Bruce Foxton played Ric a lot in the early years of the Jam.
I'm eternally grateful to Bruce Foxton... he went into a shop in Hounslow and bought a white Epi Rivoli I had the cash for
Haven't heard from "Ronbo" in a long time.? ???
John Birch!
(http://www.reallygreatguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/DSC01541.jpg)
I've played one once, and it sat somewhere between weirdly boutique and weirdly crude. The six knobs were pretty unnecessary. It sounded nothing like a Rickenbacker at least.
A lot of guys used John Birch stuff in the '70s including...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/45/f1/d6/45f1d6a5abbef656dab07326a6db2fb9--deep-purple-guitarist.jpg)
Hahahaha! The old LastBassOutpost switcheroo!
Haven't heard from "Ronbo" in a long time.? ???My last encounter with him was on TalkBass a few months ago. He's still up to the same old things, car repair and WW II re-enactments. I'm not sure if he is doing any playing, these days.
Unbelievably so, this vid has been criminally ignored all these years here, some tasty British prog rock with an 8-string, you don't see that often:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeI3TlAqius
Have we seen this one in this thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbfw1YfeAlA
Here's a short one with my 4003S/8. Kinda tripped myself up at 1:55, but whatever. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trQRHUJViMY&t=2s
Don't ever remember seeing him play a Ric before... 40 years... saw them at Hammersmith (iirc) and the Marquee that year... don't they go by in a flash...
Wasn't Ted Turner a real pretty boy?! Kinda a mix of Peter Frampton and a young Rory Gallagher.I'm not sure if Ted was............................ ;)
:gay: you mean?
I tried that bass line while singing and it's not that difficult. I can't carry a tune, that's the real problem for me.
I think there is a misunderstanding between us with illustrious results!Ah, I see. I thought this discussion was a bout the bassist, not the guitars. And secondly, I only knew about MartinTaylor and Andy Powell, none of the rest of the band. So the question remains, which TEd was a bit, um, er? You know, you brought it up! ;)
There are two Turners in WA (first line up):
- Martin Turner (bassist and most lead vocals, very early on: moustache)
- Ted Turner (2nd lead guitarist and occasional lead vocals, front guy in pic).
And getting us back on track... :mrgreen:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEVDZl5UvN4
Ah, I see. I thought this discussion was a bout the bassist, not the guitars. And secondly, I only knew about MartinTaylor and Andy Powell, none of the rest of the band. So the question remains, which TEd was a bit, um, er? You know, you brought it up! ;)
And getting us back on track... :mrgreen:weird seeing Peart with a normal drum kit
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEVDZl5UvN4
Samla Mammas Manna. Twisty turny Swedish progressive rock.
Samla Mammas Manna. Twisty turny Swedish progressive rock.I'm going to start a tribute band................. :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFbx3-hl-dQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9C2Vh1HMgc&list=RDU9C2Vh1HMgc
This one is interesting and unexpected. Glenn Cornick in Wild Turkey with a Ric!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaCwPvZShK4
Brummie Boy revisits Ric ...
My problem is I can't find a light weight amp that have the character of my tube amps. I have a Mesa Boogie Walkabout which is the closest I've found but still no rabbit.
Instead, I bought my secondhand genz-benz shuttle 6.0 almost nine years ago on talkbass for $525*, without having tried it; I figured that since they were pretty hot on talkbass at the time, I could always flip it for about what I paid if I didn't like it. I'd say I got my money's worth for sure.
It turned out I absolutely loved it, the tube input stage can be pushed into a mild overdrive that suits me well, the EQ is simple but well tuned, sounds great flat and there's hardly a bad setting on it. It is also the loudest amp I've ever owned, I've never run out of headroom on it. I even like the sound of the mid scoop button - that's a first for me!
Why isn't the bass glowing and changing colors? :-\
You could see a little of the lights, but the Lightshow was a gimmick that worked best on darker club stages. According to John Hall, only five Lightshow 4005 basses were made.I wonder how many are still out there.
I wonder how many are still out there.
The listing for the one that was for sale by Guitar Broker said that only three were still known. One is or was in Japan, the photo in Paul's book is from a Japanese source.
The 331 Light Show guitar is more common. McGuinn had a 12 string 331.
Now I'm on a mission to see a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYkrW7YpRpg
That's Adrew Winter's bass. 8)
He was not a bad bass player. From what I know that's him on the records, not a studio player.
What a nice way to start the day!
Sid to Roger: "Hey, duuuuuuuuude, I really want to use your Rick for this vid we're doing. I promise not to destroy it like Pauly did his P Bass, really!"
Roger: Yeah sure, no prob. But, if there is so much as a (new) scratch on it, you'll end up being a Dead Boy!" :mrgreen:
Sid: Cool, man! I love those guys!"
Shame that photos of a swastika have been posted, here. What are Ilan's thoughts on this?
To me the picture just emphasizes what an idiot Sid Vicious was.
To me the picture just emphasizes what an idiot Sid Vicious was.
Now how Roger's Machine Head, Made in Japan & Who Do We Think We Are-anointed Ric got into the grimy little hands of Sid (I'd have no issues if Glen Matlock had played it) is another matter altogether. I have no idea.
Guess you have to ask him, then!
Sid responds to seances? Oh wait... :mrgreen:
Glen Matlock did play a Ric but it wasn't molested with Jazz pickups.I'm curious what two J pickups placed like that were for, were they played together but inverted for a big humbucker effect?
I'm curious what two J pickups placed like that were for, were they played together but inverted for a big humbucker effect?
Never much of a single coil manAnd yet the bass tone most identified with him is the epitome of singlecoilness and his signature model Vigier has two single coils.
so i went to look at the vigier website to see if it said anything about how he wired the 2 single coil pups
and the mystery deepens, ...Switch: balance, Pots: volume bass, middle and treble and Balance why would you need two balance controls?
One is a switch and the other is a pot. Makes perfect sense. In a Les Paul or Ric 4001, you can balance the two pickups to your liking, then you can switch between neck, both or bridge, but if in the middle position you want, for example, full neck and 50% bridge, that means that when you solo the bridge you get a volume drop. With a switch and a balance knob you can avoid it.aaah ok that makes sense
Did Jonas balance his Ric on his forehead at the end of the show? He did when I saw them this year.Yes, he did, and then threw it off to stage left, where I assume someone caught it! :mrgreen:
And people say that Rics don't balance well, tsk, tsk, tsk, little do they know ...
Who ever said that?! Rossmeisl's original 4000 Series design was the first bass with elongated top horn. If there's one thing about Rics that everybody agrees on is that they balance perfectly. Unlike, uhh, Gibsons maybe?
Who ever said that?! Rossmeisl's original 4000 Series design was the first bass with elongated top horn. If there's one thing about Rics that everybody agrees on is that they balance perfectly. Unlike, uhh, Gibsons maybe?
Huh? maybe your S/8 does that, understandably, but both my 4-stringers have perfect balance, certainly better than my 70's P's and J which balance well but not perfectly.
Pretty amazing production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-6QNshZyL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-6QNshZyL4)
Like the opening scene of the innards of the Melotron!Yep, loved that! Almost better than the very colorful comments Peter Gabriel said regarding Tony Banks' Mellotron the first time I saw Genesis (04/15/1973).
With that black tug-bar and knobs layout, could we be looking at an Ibanez Ric copy?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/14Sq31SlzIO-ur7HzgyFFxSgf4HaKuYVxAWC7AMRcQHZWBbW9tyJrDOzx6ihWnPOeQsP3PO1HhwfbHXTM9C9Sui3XJ6dQRv-mi740mNOgZs9rSzwc6Q)
Rockinbetter (Tokai) didn't have the black tug bar. Some Ibanez and Greco's did.
If the outer winding did'nt reach the nut I'd say the string anchor point on the bridge must be way further away than on an authentic Ric. Also probably 34" scale.
In my experience experience on (stringthrough body) The Ripper that for example D'Addario regular longscale strings miss the outer wrap at the nut by about 5 mm.
Ric bridges don't have an afterlength. There must have been a medium scale E string in the package.
Ric bridges don't have an afterlength. There must have been a medium scale E string in the package.
4005!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q918fs4RAto
Okay this is so creepy. He's my identical twin.
Okay this is so creepy. He's my identical twin.
I see it, but is it just the bassface? :P
:mrgreen:
That's Pat Simmons... Tiran Porter has a better complexion... ;)
You need a mustache and he needs to part his hair neater, but yeah.8) 8) 8) 8)
And for our friend Uwe - some Brit band borrowed this theme from them...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zANOhnrdTZg
Have we seen this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yPTZmblOeY
4005WB... the bass we wish had sounded nearly as good as it looksMine always sounded great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=aG-x1VbHRFg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=aG-x1VbHRFg)
The bass player plays guitar and keyboards with Blue Oyster Cult.
It's hard to believe that this amazing music came out of the same group that produced the drivel of Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall! :o
Dark Side Of The Moon is too glossy.It certainly wasn't perceived that way in 1973 when I saw the tour that June. :)
Um...what the hell was that? :mrgreen:I likr it more than Aerosmith
I likr it more than Aerosmith
It certainly wasn't perceived that way in 1973 when I saw the tour that June. :)
It looks fantastic but sounds pale. Back then only two guys exploited what a Ric can do. Chris Squire and Roger Glover.
Mike Rutherford did a pretty fine job as well.
Okay, and Jon Camp in Renaissance.
Jon Camp ..... looked like a sleazy cocktail waiter...:mrgreen:
It looks fantastic but sounds pale. Back then only two guys exploited what a Ric can do. Chris Squire and Roger Glover.
Did you put a toaster at the bridge position too? Or am I remembering a different bass?Stage logistics aren't always the best, sometimes. And, personally, I am just fine with being "out of the way" as I am not really a singer but I have to contribute what I can (not that song in particular, though); note the boom stand with my Audix OM5. You'll also see my old 4001V63 sitting on a stand off to my left a couple times.
Nice of your bandmates to make you so visible.
I'd say optimized rather than modded... beautiful bass Jeff.
Sorry, I couldn't tell from the photos that it was a real horseshoe in there.It is hard to tell, sometimes! Here is a photo of the pickup before I bought it and put in the first of three basses it was in (May '08 4003, April '98 4001V63, March '73 4001, of which it is still in that last bass).
I'd say optimized rather than modded... beautiful bass Jeff.Thanks, Ilan! I try not to do things that are too crazy. :mrgreen:
I'll say! Call it "Enhanced"Perhaps, a V67 prototype? ;D
Never heard of her before, but nice cover. Almost a disco feel.
She was a Frank Farian project. He had better luck with Boney M.
Now I'll have to find out who they are. :)
You've dodged the Eurodisco bullet in the US, didn't you?Yes, we have! :mrgreen:
You've dodged the Eurodisco bullet in the US, didn't you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl_zP8H1NBA
Thinking about it, Amen Corner were obviously aiming for a Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich sound at the time.
I've never heard of any of these before now. AFAIK they were unknown here.
Unknown to me as well.
What I don't get is all this talk of them being English. They are clearly of Mexican descent...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsExj_0IHEs
We had a German version of DDDBM&T, The Lords from Berlin, I used to like them as a kid.
Photo credit: Paul D. Boyer. Featured in "The Rickenbacker Electric Bass - 50 Years as Rock's Bottom."
Chris Glen of the Sensational Alex Harvey Band, rocking a Fireglo 4001.Great stuff! :)
https://youtu.be/uiGsfv9ju8M
They remind me of Spinal Tap.
Oooh, good stuff. He has a neck mudbucker, as was customary back then, and a J pickup between the horseshoe and the mud.
What will all the people in the Chinese cities of Tokyo, Seoul and Hanoi only make of it?!
I found this both enlightening and hilarious:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/07/i-feel-ashamed-of-myself-i-know-that-they-all-look-the-same-to-me-is-a-horrible-form-of-racism
"I have to admit I giggled nervously as I read your letter, and I thought of my dear late mother who had real trouble keeping white people’s faces straight in her head. It was especially acute when we were watching movies. She couldn’t tell the good guy from the bad guy and had no idea which white woman was the romantic lead, and which one was the awkward sister. Every time there was a new scene, she’d be asking, “Now which one is that?”
My mother didn’t grow up around a whole lot of white people, so different colour eyes and hair colour weren’t really a point of reference. She had no problem recognising her white friends – people she had worked with and visited and so on. However, like you, she was never very good at out-of-context encounters."
And the most embarrassing thing is I've been there myself: Many years ago I stumbled across a colleague from work in a supermarket with his Korean wife. I knew her from law firm related functions years back. I thought. Turns out, she wasn't #1 Korean wife, but wife-to-be #2. And here I am talking about past meetings and how their children are doing. Inane stuff like: "No need for an introduction, we know each other from ..., don't we?" (blank stare from her part). I notice how my colleague's facial expression turns from initial disbelief to outright distraughtness - the separation from his first wife and kids was comparatively recent - and kept thinking to myself: "Why is he acting so weird, I'm just being nice?" They made off rather abrupt.
Only at home did it dawn to me that the much younger-looking Korean female in the supermarket couldn't have really been the wife and mother of 10 years ago. I could have died a death there and then. And it got worse. Having been the recruitment partner of our Frankfurt office at the time, I realized I had actually interviewed #2 in person about 18 months earlier for a job at our firm (my colleague's/partner's unbridled enthusiasm for hiring her as his associate back then should have perhaps made me think and alert me to possible ulterior motives on his part, but that is another story - people just have no idea how gullible I can be!).
I never dared speak to him about it, but he was good enough to - apparently - forget about it. In any case, they separated years later and I was lucky enough to never be put into the situation of not recognizing #3 Korean significant other with which he had meanwhile hooked up.
Some fine footwork/English schlager musik here.
Standouts are the archaic double-manual Vox organ (not getting played) and the 4001 with replacement pickguard. Groovy.
https://youtu.be/xV31WMx1upc
Phil Lynott popularized the black-with-mirror-pickguard look.
I'm flabbergasted.Well, she is the one who "made" Rush in the US... And shes noted in"Spirit of Radio"along with other stuff. :)
My preconceptions have come under nuclear attack.
She's obviously a woman. A very likable one at that.
And yet she says she likes Rush.
There must be a man involved, it's Stockholm Syndrome of the worst kind. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Nice transition bass. My white Oct '73 (no checkerboard, narrow inlays) had a newer button-top in the neck position when I bought it, I have replaced it with a reissue toaster. Button-tops have a narrow window and string bends - even slight - result in significant volume drops. You can use that for tremolo effect... Toasters OTOH handle bends very well.That's one of the things I love about toasters, that they have excellent string-to-string evenness.
Graham Gouldman doing a bass solo (with flats, he would always play those) how it should be done - over harmonies and the whole band playing, @09:17:
"Exstabdaed"?
Never heard that term, what is it supposed to mean string for string?
My iPhone tried to turn 'E Standard' into something more exciting.
Nali, uoy knaht!Um, you have the exclamation mark on the wrong side. Just sayin'... :mrgreen:
(Ilan likes to read right to left, old habit of his. ;D )
1/2" spacing JG's always remind me of my first Ric. 50 years since the change and the 1" spacing still looks wrong to me.Ditto.
and the guitarist doesn't know what key (or scale) he's playing
Randy with a Ric and my favorite Eagles number, yeah, I’m a pansy …
https://youtu.be/PqccEpqvwPY
I always liked the story it told, it's like a movie unfolding before your eyes. "Every form of refuge has its price" - that's almost John Steinbeck.
One of my favorite lyric lines is in "Tequilla Sunrise" - "workin' on a dream he planned to try" - four "conditionals" stacked into one line.
I didn't even know that anybody ever bothered to copy the 4005 look.
When they did the limited 4005XC short scale , some were saying it was a Shaftesbury copy.
Oh wow, good eyes Proggie Boy (and I thought you were only good at counting uneven meters!), one lives and learns.
https://www.vintageguitarandbass.com/shaftesbury/bass/1970s_3263.php
(https://www.vintageguitarandbass.com/graphics/Shaftesbury-3263-bass-1.jpg)
I didn't even know that anybody ever bothered to copy the 4005 look.
It was, in a way.
It happened to other big names. When Gibson made the Slash signature Les Paul they meticulously copied his Appetite For Destruction guitar, which was a replica/knockoff/faker with a Gibson logo, not a real Gibson ;D So people are paying $3-4K for what in effect is a copy of a copy. Fender did something similar in 1982, when they examined Japanese-made copies, some of which were far superior to late 70s Fenders, and re-learned from them how to make good Strats again. So some of Fender's best vintage reissues were acually replicas of east Asian knockoffs.
he apparently bought a 'Fender' replacement neck in the 70ies which unbeknownst to him wasn't one.
https://youtu.be/dq6fCOGyVJg?si=gCXeI4usPSDJ8K0h
Damn. I can't remember how to post a YouTube video. I tried to insert the link between the [url] [url] brackets and that didn't work. So I modified it and posted the link directly to the page. That didn't work either. Can someone refresh my memory? Thanks.
Just delete the question mark and everything to the right of it.
Unless you're copying something that's part of someone's playlist, it should be the URL that's in the Address Bar.
No brackets necessary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6fCOGyVJg
I think the 'Tragic Band' is overlooked. Beefheart was revered in the UK as the weirdo's weirdo. A wilfully bonkers guy. The Tragic Band is interesting as it seems like his attempt to make a stab at creating commercially successful music. Hire some session musicians with no previous working history and make lightweight country music. It almost worked, but it still seems off kilter.
Beefheart came back to the UK in 1975 with a guy playing a tuba through an octave divider in lieu of a bassist. This pleased the journalists and fans who had him pegged as a weirdo.
Coke leaves a durable mark on your health, it's not like heroin where your fine going forward once you kick it for good (and have survived it that long).
Why is Barry Gibb looking down anyone he is singing? Also, what is taped to the back of his acoustic guitar?
Why is Barry Gibb looking down anyone he is singing? Also, what is taped to the back of his acoustic guitar?
Joni Mitchell claimed to have suffered the mysterious 'Morgellons' disease, in which sufferers claim their bodies contain fibres and other foreign material. There is no evidence of Morgellons being anything other than a delusion. I reckon this is down to long term coke use, alongside all the 'chronic Lymes' and other long/term neurological illnesses that seem to cut down musicians and actors.