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Well, the Thunderbird video thread is ticking over nicely so I thought why not give the other classic shapes a spin...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FplFq9EXiSM
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As far as I'm concerned this video could never be posted too many times, this song, and Andy Fraser's playing ( whole band really) gives me goosebumps. There's a tone going on with that EB and his pile of Marshalls that I'll always envy - simple, beuatiful rock with lots of air, no mindless, soulless wanking going on here. Kossoff is almost crying during his solo, Fraser's is brilliant ( he's not 20 years old at the time!). Definately one the best, underappreciatted bands ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FhCilozomo
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You are so right about that vid. Ironically I saw Free at some high school gym somewhere outside of Chicago shortly after 'All Right Now' hit the radio and was not at all impressed. In fact I might have said they sucked, I don't remember. I do remember they were too loud and too loose. It must have been the wrong place at the wrong time.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSfbW6rJF1M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV-OLnUO9ZI
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About as good as it ever got with an SG shape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5IRI4oHKNU&feature=related
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You knew this was Cum ing ;) Jimmy Lea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://youtu.be/VLsw668PVyY
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All the kids were doing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h1oRP7FfBw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i0DMbCKnAg&feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRHFIVJtqpc
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Fraser's is brilliant ( he's not 20 years old at the time!). Definately one the best, underappreciatted bands ever.
Amen brother ! I almost quit playing the bass when I found out he's only some 7 months older then me .......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMyqIQ6LLjo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMyqIQ6LLjo)
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also really early MInutemen or current Mike watt stuff. Lorna doom played an EB-3 in the Germs.
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This is what I think of now for mudbucker tone-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5iI0__9S1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrJ-_iGmjE&feature=related
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So a band of yank GIs stationed in Germany invented communal fretboard tapping. Who'd have thought.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k47lTsGE2Wc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ou-6A3MKow
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the guy in the hat sitting next to the sax player is a very drunk son house. or so i have read.
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Two from The Fortunes live with Rod Allen (RIP), thumbstyle on a Rivoli.
IMHO You've Got Your Troubles sounds much better without the horns that were on the studio version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOy8Y2MIMCM
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the guy in the hat sitting next to the sax player is a very drunk son house. or so i have read.
It is. I knew of this clip from a PBS broadcast of the whole performance. Howling Wolf gets really pissed at some point.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eepsCXpLY4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rfvDEn9yGc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHLz5ZcVVLc
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We know that Wilton Felder recorded the studio version using his Jazz Bass but Jermaine "played" his Gibson in several TV appearances.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Q80mk7bxE
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EB-3 on the studio version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AD5fX4sveo&feature=fvst
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Produced by my buddy Stan. He played them Slade for inspiration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdaVtfLUiNA
Next video will feature a new girl bassplayer and JAEbird#001. The drummer and keyboard player picked it up this P.M.
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Kings of Leon - pre-stadium daze, before their hair and 'taches were chopped and someone gave them his U2 collection to listen to REAL CLOSELY. Back then they only had a The Strokes collection to listen to ...
With a seventies walnut EB-3. Looking at their right hands in this vid is heartwarming - quite obviously they had not been playing for too long yet. Their bassist (nowadays an avid and skillfully melodic modern TBird pick player) says he winces when he looks at those early vids now, "because our playing was so bad". It has its rehearsal room charm though.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjTwna0fGyo
And this is what they (and their bass player) are today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_RSl1NMQvY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAmXdPXKyhI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOE9uwd6Y88
On Letterman two years later.
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I can't remember which song it is, but there's a The Who TV performance, where Entwistle plays an EB3 lefthanded:D
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Not quite a video but still should be here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twgwDQrP1ok
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Mike Watt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGTm3632_ok
and of course Allen Woody:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-NP-LdLu3g
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Yeah, it's lip-sync'd, and not one of my favorite songs - but to my knowledge Gene never used this bass in an actual concert, sooooo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Qr2KJranw
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1nR3zJ7mP4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h1oRP7FfBw&feature=related
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OK! I finally found proof, well sort of, that I'm not crazy. I've said for years that I remember James Dewar with an EB-1.
Here's the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWNskvTkhJA
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OK! I finally found proof, well sort of, that I'm not crazy. I've said for years that I remember James Dewar with an EB-1.
Here's the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWNskvTkhJA
Wow, never seen him with anything but a P
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What a great clip!!! Trower's tone is fantastic and Dewar's voice ... wow!
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I think I've bought that album in four different formats through the years.................. :o
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n03g8nsaBro
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I can't help slipping up on my own thread here as it's a pretty much forgotten recording - James Dewar provided the voice here but the band is pretty much The Ox - I bought the LP at the time of release and just loved it - it pretty much bombed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu8J2aGzIY0
I feel so honoured to have seen him play and sing - one of my all-time favourite vocalists...
I'm blaming Gary for this mind you... ;D
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OK! I finally found proof, well sort of, that I'm not crazy. I've said for years that I remember James Dewar with an EB-1.
Here's the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWNskvTkhJA
Amazing band & couple of records.
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I can't help slipping up on my own thread here as it's a pretty much forgotten recording - James Dewar provided the voice here but the band is pretty much The Ox - I bought the LP at the time of release and just loved it - it pretty much bombed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu8J2aGzIY0
I feel so honoured to have seen him play and sing - one of my all-time favourite vocalists...
I'm blaming Gary for this mind you... ;D
:thumbsup:
Well, I may love Glenn Hughes as a vocalist, but if I could sing like anyone, it would be Dewar, hands down.
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Jim Dewar and Paul Rogers have a lot of the same DNA IMO. Love both their voices.
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+1 to infinity... 8)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAetyZRJ9VE
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Another goody I came across....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h1oRP7FfBw
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^^^ A person could get a sig line from those lyrics. 8)
One of my favorite Kinks songs.
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^^^ A person could get a sig line from those lyrics. 8)
One of my favorite Kinks songs.
:thumbsup:
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^^^ A person could get a sig line from those lyrics. 8)
One of my favorite Kinks songs.
Me three!
Telling tales of drunkenness and cruelty
When I was going through my divorce, every time I got another filing from my ex (via my attorney) and read through her 'imaginative' narratives I thought of that line... In the end even her attorney tired of it and dropped her. Things were resolved fairly quickly after that. ;)
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Me three!
When I was going through my divorce, every time I got another filing from my ex (via my attorney) and read through her 'imaginative' narratives I thought of that line... In the end even her attorney tired of it and dropped her. Things were resolved fairly quickly after that. ;)
I may have a few tales to tell before too long. 8)
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Trevor Bolder of the Spiders, with the sideborads from hell :o , 1m05 in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73qNW12Yx_0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73qNW12Yx_0)
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Thats a great one Stu! The kids in the background look impossibly square! Next to Bowie and Ronson.
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That's true, though Woody on the drums looks like a bricklayer dressed up in pink.
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The kids are typically TOTP for that era - "tank-tops" and all... :o
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Our gig last Saturday night, with SG Reissue :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzM40m2hgIM
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eb3 and hiwatt porn..... amazing ......
http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/jethro-tull/video/nothing-is-easy_515166284.html
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^^^
I can't believe I listened to a Tull song all the way through. Gotta admit, that was some good bass tone.
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Well, I gotta admit my patience is not as huge as yours, Dave. Had Thick as a brick in the time, and one or two earlier albums by Tull, but never played them after the first initial rounds! They bore the s--t out of me. Lot of tones, still boring. Though, as you pointed out, nice round bass sound with drive. :bored:
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Of course, not a single close-up of the bass player, even though he is going nuts on that number. I think he had an EB-3 but I can't tell for sure.
I was amused by the fan being removed from the stage just after 4:30.
Ju want ju some bass tone?
Check the Who's "Youg Man Blues" from the same date:
http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/the-who/video/young-man-blues_1293014538.html
I think the director hated bass players. At 4:15 you can see the Ox's fingers moving - but there is not only no close-up of the bass player, they didn't even try to get him in any of the shots except the open and closing shot.
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Wow, man! That Daltrey kid sure had a lot of nerve!!! To stand in front of such a rhythm section, as Entwhistle and Moon, and still act accurate, sure takes a lot of balls! And, excuse me for mentioning it once again:Entwhistle!!!!!! That bass playing is waaaaaay over the hill, and still completely adecuate (if that's the word? Otherwise I hope you'll follow my inner intensions)!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_0zrd2u3uk=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3
Darryl Johnson playing an early EB-0. Great bass line.
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Aussie Mark cam!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG05CWntUrg
Just for kicks I took some footage with my Flip Mino video camera on Friday night, mainly to see if the ambient mic would be able to capture the tone of the Traynor YBA-300. As it turned out, the mic struggled to accurately capture the amp's tone, but I did a quick edit of short sections from about 10 different songs anyway, for something to do
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I think the director hated bass players. At 4:15 you can see the Ox's fingers moving - but there is not only no close-up of the bass player, they didn't even try to get him in any of the shots except the open and closing shot.
Well there wasn't much to look at was there? The man just stood there like a pillar of salt.
While the other three were very energetic I can understand why the director didn't focus on the bass player.
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Well there wasn't much to look at was there? The man just stood there like a pillar of salt.
While the other three were very energetic I can understand why the director didn't focus on the bass player.
Entwistle seem to suffer the same fate.
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When combining the search words "EB", "busy bass player", "Jethro Tull" and "Spanish" only one thing crops up: The late great John Glascock! And with Carmen he played an EB (with Tull it would be Fenders and eventually the Stingray though he would also pick up a TBird sometimes). Good shots of him at 0.45 (once you have waded through or enjoyed Amanda Lear's introduction!) and later. Seems to have been a walnut or stripped sixties EB-3, short scale and judging by the bony proggie sound with only the bridge pup running, obviously some Andy Fraser influence there. Busy he was. He basically played baritone guitar with Carmen, but nicely though. It got him the job with Jethro Tull too, who saw him when Carmen opened Tull's Warchild tour in the US and sank like a stone though you do wonder why, flamboyant wardrobe, odd meters, folk influences, hard rock riffs, a certain feverish nervousness in the music, all the Tull ingredients were also in Carmen, albeit with a Spanish and not English folklore slant. Maybe they looked too glam or lacked an immediately identifiable front man (the guitarist, David Allen, was their musical brain, but not their front man). Or, quite possibly, flamenco dancing during lengthy and sophisitcated instrumental parts proved too much for the common Tull'ite!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxCGT8l0Rao&feature=related
David Allen's sister Angela, the singer/dancer/keyboardess, and John were an item at the time; given her more recent musical output he proved a lasting impression.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZMXmyxm0e4&playnext=1&list=PLCF0B30C45E1FAE78
Ritchie Blackmore loved Carmen. (And tried to unsuccessfully poach John Glascock from Tull for Rainbow though he eventually found someone with a similar, if more sparse style in Bob Daisley.)
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I had to look awhile for this, as a kid I liked Pete Agnew's tone on "Razamanaz" and "Rampant" a lot,
the first time I saw them he was playing an EB thru Marshalls......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umf5r_ldpck&feature=related
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Charlton is an underrated guitarist and especially an underrated slide guitarist.
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Every video shot that day at Tanglewood has something in common - the bass players were completely ignored by the director and cameramen.
But there darn sure is some fantastic music.
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I had to look awhile for this, as a kid I liked Pete Agnew's tone on "Razamanaz" and "Rampant" a lot,
the first time I saw them he was playing an EB thru Marshalls......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umf5r_ldpck&feature=related
Pete's awesome sound is probably mostly due to his flatwound strings IMO. When you listen to his sound across a variety of their albums the common denominator is always that thudding full of tone sound that only flats will give you. I play almost exclusively on rounds and regularly get sound envy with guys who have that Pete Agnew kind of sound. I recently put a set of flats on my Cargill fretless but so far this is my only conscesion into this coveted territory.
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For whatever reason, Roger Glover, the producer of the Razamanaz album, is reputed to have played all bass tacks on Razamanaz, including Vigilante Man. Glover, forever the gentleman, has never commented on this one way or the other, but neither have Nazareth denied it (perhaps they bargain on the extra sales to DP fans like me who cherish the Razamanaz album as a prime example of Rogers bass playing!). In any case, the fact that the studio version features a roundwound strung bass (as Glover preferred) and is played with a different feel, lends credibility to the story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiSg2SUvMFI
The most gloverish bass playing on Razamanaz is featured here - sounds like straight off Machine Head, typically idiosyncratic Glover timing and phrasing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su2Rn6hYx3I
And which other Purple musician played on this track uncredited, class, intro at 0.10?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r3Jw6xN0AU
Come on, hear the similarity here at 4.11!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvkvjummb7g
Needless to say, you also hear him here, intro at 0.22:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN8Mccgoqpw
Dear Lord, that can't have been too hard even for you, can it?!!!!
But for the really, really slow and thick ones among you, I'll even supply a pic of him (far right) together with the brother of a Rolling Stone (far left), you can see some similarity in their Faces (nudge!).
(http://www.deep-purple.net/tree/artwoods/the-art-wood-combo.jpg)
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Lord only knows what you're trying to suggest but there are some days when I suspect you have serious OCD issues... ;)
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Now Roger Glovers playing is something I know a little bit about having played in a DP tribute band for years and ya know Uwe, I have never listened to Razz in the same way as I would anything from Purple. Its always been an album that I just play and listen to the band as a whole. Tomorrow morning its going back in the car for a few more re-runs. Have a listen to the bass on Fool Circle as an example of Pete Agnews Flatwound sound. Especially noticeable on the more sparse reggae sounding tunes like Let me be your leader or the live version of Cocaine (one of my favourite non Cale versions).
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One of America's finest with a disciplined version of one of their greatest hits played in their usual so(m)ber state. Cann-abysmal but great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4up6_OphOMY&feature=related
The (lamentably late) Jance Garfat is the odd man out, playing solemnly and steadfastly his seventies EB-3 or -0 (hard to catch him, the camera man was probably distracted a lot of the time). I have a soft spot for him because long before I earnestly listened to music or considered bass playing his very prominent "flats with a pick" bass sound was the first bass sound I actually conciously registered on a pop album, namely Dr Hook's Sloppy Seconds (without ever realizing what it was, I thought it was drums initially :-[ :-[ :-[ ).
And as regards the guitar "solo" - Ted Nugent eat your heart out!!! :mrgreen:
And here is them sending out an earnest if steel guitar-drenched message of diversity to a probably slightly bemused/bewildered German TV audience (and Alexis Korner!).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs5MAWinxqQ
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when i saw dr. hook the bass was a long neck eb. like the guy in black oak played. they opened for zappa which i thought apropriate.
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Yes, from the sound on the albums it might have been an L model.
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Wolfgang's Vault just threw this set up. Pre-release live video of "My God" and others, with Glenn Cornick on bass.
http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/jethro-tull/video/my-god_-923410598.html?utm_source=NL&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20111020video
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"I am a consistent low-range modulator"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYJhhKSXOBo
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^ Weird intro. BTW, Jerry Scheff played on the studio recording.
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Here's another long scale EB. Andy Hess with Gov't Mule on his EB0-L playing a reggae version of Soulshine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bjgyp36zZ0
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^ Weird intro.
That's called The Machine ....... they used it on stage mostly, the studio recording wasn't released until Rhino released their Just The Right Sound anthology
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"I am a consistent low-range modulator"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYJhhKSXOBo
Sehr cool!
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That's called The Machine ....... they used it on stage mostly, the studio recording wasn't released until Rhino released their Just The Right Sound anthology
I'm not familiar with the Rhino anthology. I meant that Jerry Scheff played bass on the original single from 1966.
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With Jerry mentioned, his son's Jason moving tribute to him fits right here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqRbFxM6zXk
Scheff Sr. played on this Scheff Jr. composition at the invitation of Chicago without knowing the lyrics, the finished song was only played to him afterwards over the phone which had him start crying ... :)
Come, let's talk just you & me
For once just let me be.
The little boy you used to know.
Relive that summer's bliss.
Cause they came no more like this.
Those were the days,
the days when love was still in style.
All I ever dreamed I'd be
is what you are to me.
Bigger than Elvis.
And for all the missing years,
a memory reappears.
Bigger than Elvis.
I saw you on TV.
The king, you were to me.
Could you feel me watching you?
At times my heart got mad,
only heros are allowed
to run free, that they could come back inside of me.
All I ever dreamed I'd be,
is what you are to me.
Bigger than Elvis.
And for all the missing years,
a memory reappears.
Bigger than Elvis.
We know the sadness of goodbyes
must be the one that's bringing tears to your child's eyes.
Oh, from now on I'll walk with you
making music like you do.
Would you believe I always knew?
You were never hard to take
in some mysterious way
Bigger than Elvis
And for all the missing years
your memory reappears
Bigger than Elvis.
Now I've found the missing years,
forgotten all my tears.
I've found the missing years
I saw Chicago this summer. I wasn't expecting much, came for the opener Blood, Sweat & Tears really, but good as Blood, Sweat & Tears were, Chicago were justly the headliner. It was more than two hours of all their music old and new played exceedingly well and fresh, with huge drive and passion. I became a convert. And Jason is not only an excellent bassplayer but also a great singer doing both the Cetera era and his own stuff full justice.
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I'm not familiar with the Rhino anthology. I meant that Jerry Scheff played bass on the original single from 1966.
And I was reacting to your "weird intro" comment ..... ;D
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Sunn's Dad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxP8r0ObkvY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxP8r0ObkvY&feature=related)
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Cool ! I really liked The Kingsmen back when ....... On the picture sleeve of Jolly Green Giant he plays an EB-0 ......
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This clip must have been made for the LBO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIhw57H2vzo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIhw57H2vzo&feature=related)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So9gS4LGwF8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So9gS4LGwF8)
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LOL, Freddie Garrity was one of a kind, wasn't he? "I'm Telling You Now" is still one of my favorite sappy songs.
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I think there might be a sexual undertone with that Adolf Hitler dog, a woman and a Green Beret watching? Let me tell you I am very disturbed by it all.
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Don't know what Nazareth did Stateside, but they were big here for a few years in the 70's. They still tour now with original singer "Dangerous" Dan McCafferty & bassist Pete Agnew. This is the only time I've seen him playing an EB3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuPKCqp3bis&feature=related
These days he's an Alembic man........ I'll be seeing them with my son in 3 weeks - and Dan still las THAT voice 40 years later.
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Nazareth did well in the states, Hair Of The Dog was a big album for them. Now your Messing With a SOB and Love Hurts were big hits. I had forgotten what a great sounding band they are.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7pG2ju5OYk
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7796-au8U
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Belive it or not, Freddie and his Dreamers could play it the Beat way, too. He's a fine example of the great Buddy Holly's impact in Gt Britain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot5Lb4qi-Tk
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A P-40, JU 87 Stuka and a A6M Zero. The editing has a continuity problem. ;D Great bass sound from the slot head EB3!
This clip must have been made for the LBO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIhw57H2vzo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIhw57H2vzo&feature=related)
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7796-au8U
Well, it it does fit the topic even though that bass isn't what you're hearing.
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Jamerson with a P bass right ?
Well, it it does fit the topic even though that bass isn't what you're hearing.
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Jamerson with a P bass right ?
No, that was done by Wilton Felder in L.A. All the Jackson 5 hits were done there. Felder played on a number of their early hits, Ron Brown and Don Peake played on some others. After Jamerson moved to L.A., he played on a few of their later album cuts, but no singles.
Somewhere a few years ago I saw an interview with Felder where he mentions what bass he used but I can't remember now what it was. Maybe a Tele Bass.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVDjZaIlJ24
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqRR3qLNAYY&feature=related
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How about some Hawkwind?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFPLgGWMndc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABjEObPXxEg&hd=1
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Retro rockers Dirty Sweet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlh2sxylCYw
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIT9t4TC4wc&feature=BFa&list=FL0qfFLE-kHAWWMTtsuNBgxwhttp://
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Not many views of the EB-0 but it's there near the start and shortly after the 3 minute mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hcxbIln3sc
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I didn't know whether to put this here, or in the fat bottomed girls, but lookie what I came across... (1:20 is a good view)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5UOC0C0x8Q&ob=av2e
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJhhg3JyL5w
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Kenni Huskey with the Buckaroos on Buck Owens Ranch Show, circa 1971-73. She was all of about 17. Bassist was Doyle Curtsinger, a/k/a Singer. You sure can hear the EB-2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o999bh47VNY
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Swiped from another thread on the forum...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDqIXVg3aIU&feature=related
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and another...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7rHo2Dt4Dw
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You're all just hot for Sonja and shamelessly plugging her. EBs my ass. 8)
I just posted a thread that contained "ass" and "plugging" ... the usual comments cannot be far away ... :rolleyes:
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You're all just hot for Sonja and shamelessly plugging her. EBs my ass. 8)
I just posted a thread that contained "ass" and "plugging" ... the usual comments cannot be far away ... :rolleyes:
What I think is funny is that some of you bring it up without any cattle prodding from me ;)
The common misconception is of course, that "it" somehow hurts. Rest ASSured it does not ;D
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What I think is funny is that some of you bring it up without any cattle prodding from me ;)
The common misconception is of course, that "it" somehow hurts. Rest ASSured it does not ;D
A cattle-prod that doesn't hurt ??? Isn't that about as useful as a chocolate teapot? 8)
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A cattle-prod that doesn't hurt ??? Isn't that about as useful as a chocolate teapot? 8)
Not the cattle prod! ;D
The Errrrmmmmm.......Love that dare not speak it's name.
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That's a bit below the belt... ;D
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The usal ANALysis beckons.
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What I think is funny is that some of you bring it up without any cattle prodding from me ;)
That's what family does... ;)
Can't remember if I've posted this before...
The lot I was with in the eighties that played a few gigs for our "fifties" reunion... the guitarist had the habit of spontaneously coming out with the tune "There's no business like show business", but with the subtle change to the lyrics of "There's no entry like rear entry, there's no entry I know..." :o
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That's what family does... ;)
Can't remember if I've posted this before...
The lot I was with in the eighties that played a few gigs for our "fifties" reunion... the guitarist had the habit of spontaneously coming out with the tune "There's no business like show business", but with the subtle change to the lyrics of "There's no entry like rear entry, there's no entry I know..." :o
;D
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back to the subject matter in hand...
Some great shots of Glenn Corbick with an EB3...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY06aeOmVYE
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Spent part of Saturday night at Grumpy's Downtown (Minneapolis).
Bassist Richard Gunderson with an SG Bass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKsFVwYlxDc
The bassist for the other band that played uses a Precision live. He does own a Grabber, but it stays in his basement.
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Expropriate him!
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Andy Fraser with a very early EB-3. With a bakelite neck pickup that still has the nickel(?) plating on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q5ea_ggGtc
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After viewing the Curved Air videos...sigh, I'm not really thinking of EB-3 type basses or any other kind of bass, for that matter.
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Tenuosity (if it's even a word) alert! Not a Gibson but very much an EB3 of a custom variety; don't blame me ;D it's Herbie's fault :P - got me thinking about the most Hiwatts ever in once place.............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHr5tN9u5tI
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Slade in ENGLAND?? No way. That was in The Netherlands. At the Lochem festival.
I recognise the old Vara logo above the stage
(http://www.nrcnext.nl/files/2010/05/Vara-logo-uit-de-jaren-zeventig-1.jpg)
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"Slade In England" was THE premier Slade web-site for many years. It's owner Dave "Greywolf" Graham put a great deal of time and effort into cleaning up & distributing rare Slade footage and audio which left many fans deeply grateful.
Yes, it was the Lochem Festival in Holland - he states so in his description on YT.
One fan claims to have the whole gig on video, which most take with a pinch of salt.
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Oh I'm sorry I didn't read the YT notes. The video automatically opened on my iPhone and closed when the song was finished.
I'm pretty sure the Vara (one of the Dutch broadcasters) did not broadcast the entire concert. They usually showed two or three songs by each artist on festivals like these. If that fan has the entire video it must be a video he shot himself, which is highly unlikely with the technical possiblities of home video cameras and getting them past security back in 1981...
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VERY interesting - there are only 3 tracks known to exist for certain. Would you happen to know whether the camera-men you see on stage were solely for that purpose and whether they would have recorded the whole gig to select tracks later OR left the stage the rest of the time?
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Usually the broadcasting companies (and photographers) only got permission to shoot two or three songs per band on festivals like these. Managements and record companies were pretty anal about high quality footage showing up on the bootleg market.
Even to this day festivals like Pinkpop only show a few songs per artist on TV.
Whereas German broadcasting companies like WDR were allowed to film and broadcast entire concerts at the famous Rockpalast broadcastings.
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OK - thanks; adds to the opinion which cries BS to the guys claims......
better watch out, almost a page of thread hijack going on here......... who's got an EB3 vid quick!
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Okay here's Dutch pride Golden Earring performing their biggest hit Radar Love on a TV show a few years ago.
Rinus rarely plays the EB3, but for this occasion he brought the EB3. The original recording in 1973 was also done on a Gibson EB3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SqYj04zXi8
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Okay here's Dutch pride Golden Earring performing their biggest hit Radar Love on a TV show a few years ago.
Rinus rarely plays the EB3, but for this occasion he brought the EB3. The original recording in 1973 was also done on a Gibson EB3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SqYj04zXi8
Thanks for that. I had to go and watch the "Twilight Zone" video a few times, too, even if it has no Gibson EB-3 basses.
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Okay here's Dutch pride Golden Earring performing their biggest hit Radar Love on a TV show a few years ago.
Rinus rarely plays the EB3, but for this occasion he brought the EB3. The original recording in 1973 was also done on a Gibson EB3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SqYj04zXi8
I know you feel as embarrassed about these countrymen of yours as I do sometimes about ze Skörpiöns, but Golden Earring always put a warm feeling in my gut. Danke for posting.
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Tenuosity (if it's even a word) alert! Not a Gibson but very much an EB3 of a custom variety; don't blame me ;D it's Herbie's fault :P - got me thinking about the most Hiwatts ever in once place.............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHr5tN9u5tI
Much as I love Slade for everything else, that song never had the cool, creeping and crouching grandeur with them it had with my Landsmann Joachim Fritz Krauledat and his Canadian Freunde:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nuguj4Z3Bc8
I would have preferred a live version of How does it Feel, their Stairway to Heaven, but they probably never played that live, right? Keeping in mind how lil' Dave always equated "piano in a song = no hit"!
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I know you feel as embarrassed about these countrymen of yours as I do sometimes about ze Skörpiöns, but Golden Earring always put a warm feeling in my gut. Danke for posting.
Man, I love Golden Earring, always have. There are some great old Earring videos of Rinus with his beat-to-hell Longhorn and with his Ric.
I wish I'd gotten the chance to see them but they haven't toured the US since 1984.
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i assume the drummer will not be leaping over his kit at this point in his life. :)
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i assume the drummer will not be leaping over his kit at this point in his life. :)
Probably not, but his playing still holds up. He always struck me as Jazz influenced. He sounds the same all these years later.
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Much as I love Slade for everything else, that song never had the cool, creeping and crouching grandeur with them..........
It's shown out of context to a large degree. It was at the end of a 20 minute medley which starts with Cum On Feel The Noize, into Chuck Berry's "I'm A Rocker", into "Boney Maronie" (Lennon style) into "Whole Lotta Woman" (Marvin Rainwater) into ZZ Top's "Waitin' On The Bus" and finally Born To Be Wild, by which time sweat was pouring off their hair, chins & noses etc etc......................... :-\ I guess you had to be there; I was ......... many, many times.
Only reason it's never made it to film in it's entirety is that Holder thought film crews would spoil the flow of the gig and because he had deep pockets and short arms.
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Tenuosity (if it's even a word) alert!
It is now... and a perfectly acceptable vid... ;D
... got me thinking about the most Hiwatts ever in once place...
Wot, Dave Reeve's garage...? ;)
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I love the harmony-drenched, beatlenesque, "my-name-is-Jim-Lea-and-I'm-a-serious-musician-please-don't-judge-us-on-how-our-lead-guitarist-dresses"-Slade best. The really hard rocking Slade - particularly in the latter part of their (second) career were a bit too heavy-handed for me. In comparison to "Miles out to sea" and "When the lights are out" - both compositional genius - a track like "Lock up your daughters" sounds like a Kiss B side (yes, they could still play that song convincingly due to their enegized live prowess, but the composition itself is "nuzzing to rite 'ome a-bout". Speaking of Kiss, the best non-Slade Slade song ever written is still Crazy, Crazy Nights, don't you agree?
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Wot, Dave Reeve's garage...? ;)
;D Touche M'seiu!
I love the harmony-drenched, beatlenesque, "my-name-is-Jim-Lea-and-I'm-a-serious-musician-please-don't-judge-us-on-how-our-lead-guitarist-dresses"-Slade best. The really hard rocking Slade - particularly in the latter part of their (second) career were a bit too heavy-handed for me. In comparison to "Miles out to sea" and "When the lights are out" - both compositional genius - a track like "Lock up your daughters" sounds like a Kiss B side (yes, they could still play that song convincingly due to their enegized live prowess, but the composition itself is "nuzzing to rite 'ome a-bout". Speaking of Kiss, the best non-Slade Slade song ever written is still Crazy, Crazy Nights, don't you agree?
Impressive Slade history sir! ........ and yes the "old guard" fans knew they were just pandering to their new-found HM fans then.
Little known fact is that the oft quoted retort by Dave Hill of "You write 'em, I'll sell 'em" was actually part of an argument he & Jim had at the BBC regarding Dave being more interested in having his picture taken than learning a new riff.
Hmm, not sure about Crazy Nights, wasn't "I Want You" supposed to be Kiss's homage to their inspiration?
Pity Gene didn't use an SG shape bass at any point - it would keep this On Topic.
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Kiss might quibble about it, Uwe, but I concur... ;D
Stu... how could you not have posted their stuff before - I think that was the first one...
Time to make up for lost time and post a couple, then you lot can go look for more...
All with the EB3, and for an added bonus, two of them feature someone else with the EB3... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7XEjl5GNS8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pPL9PPy1MI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHhUgrMAqIY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za5dO-4jOrg
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I copied this in here as Tony forgot to do so... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12QuN3JbGwg&feature=player_embedded#! OLD FARTS AT PLAY.
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Virginity, chrome and staying on topic are all three overrated.
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FOUND ONE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRHFIVJtqpc
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One of my favs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HONXAKYyai8
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Slade, Alice Cooper, Kiss, women's clothing and Gibson basses.........My childhood.
It's why I turned out like I did :)
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Stu... how could you not have posted their stuff before - I think that was the first one...
Oh I think I must have, Scott & myself have bounced a few vids at each other on here over the years.
The white bass that Nod plays in the "Everyday" vid is the exact same bass (when it was red & still had a Mudbucker) that Jim played since forever. He didn't have it long after it was refinished, it was stolen two years later & never seen again. He then had the custom EB3 made which Scott's is a clone of.
My own fave vid of it in use is this one from SF Winterland in '75.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEorSzKII4o
Loving the Alice Cooper stuff too, keep 'em coming!!! He had a lot of i'view airplay here in recent weeks, dunno why, not gigs that I know of - I used to listen to his morning DJ spot on Planet Rock quite a lot too.
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I love the harmony-drenched, beatlenesque, "my-name-is-Jim-Lea-and-I'm-a-serious-musician-please-don't-judge-us-on-how-our-lead-guitarist-dresses"-Slade best. The really hard rocking Slade - particularly in the latter part of their (second) career were a bit too heavy-handed for me. In comparison to "Miles out to sea" and "When the lights are out" - both compositional genius - a track like "Lock up your daughters" sounds like a Kiss B side (yes, they could still play that song convincingly due to their enegized live prowess, but the composition itself is "nuzzing to rite 'ome a-bout". Speaking of Kiss, the best non-Slade Slade song ever written is still Crazy, Crazy Nights, don't you agree?
"Miles out to Sea" and "When The Lights Are Out" are two of my favorites off Old, New, Borrowed, Blue, which is also one of my all time favorite Slade albums. Over here it barley had any impact and I think back in the UK the old guard found the album a bit soft, never the less I loved it. I also found their later stuff heavy handed but I still enjoyed it though maybe not as much as the early material. Stu the version of BTBW you posted from '80 lacks alot of the power of the Slade Alive version. For reasons you already stated it sounds rushed and frenzied.Jimmy and Dennis Dunaway are the players that made me want to play a EB3, the Thunderbird won out in the end as my main axe but I still love a good EB3..................and my JD ;) http://youtu.be/LyXIVi34sDI
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Thanks for the link Scott; another excellent piece of editing by Dave Graham there. The original film (a TV show of 6 songs) fades out after the 2nd verse, so he's cobbled together parts of other video & done a fantastic job of fitting it to the music.
When I first heard that version when I was a kid it made me want a Telecaster as well as an EB3. I never heard a Tele tone that sounded more like an egg-slicer plugged into the mains.
So I got me one of those too.......
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/Tele.jpg)
They used Hear Me Calling by TYA as their regular opener from 1969-1973, changed to one of their own songs for a few years then used it again in 77 & 78 - I loved it. The band came onstage in total darkness, a pin spot on Nod's mic for the first verse & then the stage exploded in light (& pyros in the late 70's) after that. In all the years I never saw Jim bust a string, which is amazing with the way he punishes them.
More EB3 close-ups, with the extra middle (John Birch pup) which Nod also had at the neck in his Tele (multi-purpose from all those pole-pieces).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHLdj5V-JBQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHLdj5V-JBQ)
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Thats a great clip! Pre glitter looks like H has yet to go off the deep end. Love the shots off the Modded EB3. It wasn't till about 2003 That I meet Stu and joined SIE that I ever saw video of Slade and was treated to live performances. as a kid I saw them twice on TV both times with dubbed in music over live footage or lip syncing. Stu, Dave Graham and SIE really opened up everything so much I didn't know, I didn't even know about Don's near fatal car crash. Stu that's a great looking Tele! I have been tempted to do that myself!
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"The band came onstage in total darkness, a pin spot on Nod's mic for the first verse & then the stage exploded in light (& pyros in the late 70's) after that. In all the years I never saw Jim bust a string, which is amazing with the way he punishes them."
Indeed. I saw them like that in 78. In a Wiesbaden club with their oversized PA, all muscled up from incessant if commercially futile US touring in the years before. They whispered Hear me Calling into the mike, you could basically just hear their backline, then Noddy sings "Hear me calling LOUD!" and - wahooooom - the full PA is switched on. It was so friggin loud - beyond painful, it was more like being hit by a car - that the guy next to me - how many times have I reported this already here? - had an immediate attack of nose bleed. Very joyous. What's a little nose bleed against a real rock'n'roll experience? I'm sure he never washed that bloodied T-shirt.
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Stu that's a great looking Tele! I have been tempted to do that myself!
Great sound too, I put a SD Broadcaster replica pup in the bridge. It's heavy though, I think the control plate is brass - chrome plated, it should have been mirror plastic. No chance of neck dive though! ;D
"The band came onstage in total darkness, a pin spot on Nod's mic for the first verse & then the stage exploded in light (& pyros in the late 70's) after that. In all the years I never saw Jim bust a string, which is amazing with the way he punishes them."
Indeed. I saw them like that in 78. In a Wiesbaden club with their oversized PA
That'll be down to Charlie their sound man. He loved his toys and used to get awful upset if he couldn't use the full set up, regardless of the size of the venue. I saw them in a tiny disco in Blackpool, England, where the ceiling was so low they couldn't get the PA horns to fit; he moved stuff around so that he could, leaving the band with a tiny stage area so they had to do Shadows type side-steps in one spot. It was like a sauna almost as soon as it started.
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Oh I think I must have, Scott & myself have bounced a few vids at each other on here over the years...
Na... misunderstood me... I meant on this thread.... the pair of you have indeed... Not sure how many times I saw them (no where near as many as you, that's a cert) - first was an NME show with Home supporting in '74, saw a Christmas show at the Hammy O' that sticks clearly in my mind, definitely saw them about '80 at a Donnington show...
Virginity, chrome and staying on topic are all three overrated.
Trying to keep me on topic (a hazel nut in every bite) ... hey... look at that squirrel go...
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Na... misunderstood me... I meant on this thread....
Aaah! Doh! Yes, I had looked back over the thread & while Nazareth got a mention I saw I hadn't put a Slade link in, you're right - very remiss of me!
You were at the NME show? Wow, that's one of their legendary ones! I was too young to travel that far then. IIRC they had a mocked up brick wall which they kicked over to walk on stage?
Their '74 tour was the 2nd time I saw them; "Slade's Crazee Nite" with a band called Beckett as support (Many years later I found a still sealed copy of the album Beckett were pushing on the tour, for all of 50p (about 33c ?)
Donnington was in '81, Reading was '80. They were offered Donnington again but Nod turned it down if they weren't top billing, which wasn't going to happen with AC/DC at their peak.
Which one is you?...... ;)
(http://www.sladescrapbook.com/uploads/7/6/6/0/7660950/1368581.jpg?711)
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Fairly central but not up front - I do have some pics, or at least some negs, somewhere (mentioned it to Scott some time back but still not found them)...
Still got my programme from the Wembly gig... ;D
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Did I get this one yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8M24F5LUYc
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We have now... ;D (swiped your CT post for the T'bird thread)
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Does this count too?
SG with two bass strings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oIxEgRYVLc
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The Presidents never fail to entertain and this guy is more creative with two strings than a lot of people with five.
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Well, you can't see it much, but here's Trevor Bolder with the EB-3 behind Bowie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOqpfTf3oR4
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Who is nowadays "lead bassist" with Uriah Heep. I've never heard a bass player in a non-prog band play with as much improvisational freedom as he does with modern Heep. He solos more than Mick Box, their lead guitarist does. July Morning is one long bass solo with backing. He's cool, not just his sideburns.
He still used that EB-3 with Heep after he joined mid-seventies, inter alia on Free Me. He's a customized Fender P man now.
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Who is nowadays "lead bassist" with Uriah Heep. I've never heard a bass player in a non-prog band play with as much improvisational freedom as he does with modern Heep. He solos more than Mick Box, their lead guitarist does. July Morning is one long bass solo with backing. He's cool, not just his sideburns.
He still used that EB-3 with Heep after he joined mid-seventies, inter alia on Free Me. He's a customized Fender P man now.
The EB-3 was sold on rockstarguitars a few years back.
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heres one with an eb3 all the way from wellington new zealand.1967.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoxAc7gXtT0&feature=relmfu
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Something for free...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htuxb-m4-ng
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOr1stg9lds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZtFzrWSVE
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... and a few more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odLL_s3UJgs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S34C_b3Ufrg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI1FT0a_bos
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDagQoBF_OI
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Bon Scott's old band Fraternity ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZY2nl2CwLc
and, his band before that one ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ-45XG7n4k
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Very hard to see, but it looks like a Les Paul bass between 3:35 and 3:45.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5anLPw0Efmo
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Very hard to see, but it looks like a Les Paul bass between 3:35 and 3:45.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5anLPw0Efmo
I think that is probably an ESP that looks like a Les Paul. I know I have seen that bassist Will Boyd at least once with a Les Paul-shaped ESP. However, I do think he plays different basses, so it isn't like it's easy to pin down exactly what he might have played at any given time.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcQcA8BGpS4&feature=related
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at 1.56 it looks like he has a thunderbird pickup in the rear position of that eb3.or it might just be the video...
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forgive me if this has been posted.
Bit of Tbird action at the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3OwLV4s6PY&list=FLN6cpS0gtVLCvfRSYY5jx1Q&index=40&feature=plpp_video
Jack Bruce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW7mCDmP644
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forgive me if this has been posted.
Bit of Tbird action at the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3OwLV4s6PY&list=FLN6cpS0gtVLCvfRSYY5jx1Q&index=40&feature=plpp_video
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I don't think it's been posted in this thread. Even if it had, you're forgiven. :)
It has been posted in another thread awhile back as a good example of how Woody rode the E string on the Tbird while mostly avoiding it on his short scales.
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at 1.56 it looks like he has a thunderbird pickup in the rear position of that eb3.or it might just be the video...
It certainly does - but my guess is that we´re fooled by the fact that the metal paint on the bridge pickup ring is not yet stripped off. If the pup also is flush with the ring, it sure looks like T bird pup. This instrument seems to be from the early side of the sixties, and they all came with the metal painted bridge pup surround.
Anyway, this is a really good looking bass, love that finish! I´d go monk for a while too, if I could get a hold of one with original polaris white finish.
Being an AC/DC fan, i also notice the guitar player´s jet firebird, at least it looks like it. Now, what about that fuzzy tone he´s got? After the intro he seems to flick a switch (!) on the guitar an turn the fuzz off. Maybe he´s just muting it.. Or maybe it was him that stole the fuzztone circuit on my ´63 EB0F. He sure looks capable of that sort of thing.
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yes you need to watch those tricky monks and their monstrous fuzztone no telling what they are getting up to.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mnw9uiYggU
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Call me a whimp, I luuuuv that song!
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Call me a whimp, I luuuuv that song!
Regardless of genre, there are good songs and bad songs - it's that simple. SITP happens to be one of Chicago's good songs. Yeah, they did alot of sappy pop stuff after TK's death, but the earlier hits were usually pretty darn impressive - even the mushy ones. Not to derail (here? ha!) the thread, but Chicago is yet another glaring omission from the RRHOF, as is Three Dog Night (who, BTW, were very adept at choosing "good" songs to record). Both were undeniable chart forces during the early-mid 1970s, at least here in the US - and no slouches in terms of musicianship either. Both are deserving of whatever "prestige" membership in the RRHOF brings.
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Regardless of genre, there are good songs and bad songs - it's that simple. SITP happens to be one of Chicago's good songs. Yeah, they did alot of sappy pop stuff after TK's death, but the earlier hits were usually pretty darn impressive - even the mushy ones. Not to derail (here? ha!) the thread, but Chicago is yet another glaring omission from the RRHOF, as is Three Dog Night (who, BTW, were very adept at choosing "good" songs to record). Both were undeniable chart forces during the early-mid 1970s, at least here in the US - and no slouches in terms of musicianship either. Both are deserving of whatever "prestige" membership in the RRHOF brings.
Agreed. In high school, even the metal heads would listen to CTA in the school library. Three Dog Night was an awesome band! They usually did covers better than the originals, and they picked a wide variety of material. Even my kids love Three Dog Night, and it wasn't something that got played around the house much. A combination of stellar vocals, rock solid band and good material. Here's them, doing Argent one better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtTGfWDamVE
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You could not escape Three Dog Night at the American school I went to. I never had issues with them, they certainly had a knack of elevating most of the material they covered, kind of like Manfred Mann's Earth Band whose covers always sounded better to me than the originals. And I did own "Cyan" as an album and only a few years ago bought a bunch of their CDs.
And if Joy to the World doesn't put you in an ebullient mood a couple of seconds into the intro, you have no heart!
I saw Chicago a year or two ago, not expecting much, I only came for Blood, Sweat & Tears, their opening act. Contrary to all expectations, Chicago gave a firework of a great show of their material old and new(ish), hugely varied, but without any seams showing, I was very entertained and the musicianship was top notch. Nice bass playing (and singing) by Jason Scheff too. I'd go see them again anytime.
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May i be first to say.....f*** THE Rock and Roll Hall of Shame!!!Whew....wheres the tylenol....
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Chicago and Three Dog Night were very big back in the day -- late 60s, early 70s. I liked some of TDN's earlier stuff although it sounds overproduced to me now. Hoyt Axton's original Joy To The World beats theirs IMHO.
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This is the most bizarre thing I have ever seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcQcA8BGpS4&feature=related
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This is the most bizarre thing I have ever seen.
The Monks were always an acquired taste even for garage band fans in the 60s.
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This is the most bizarre thing I have ever seen.
Oh, I think I can fix that. No Gibson content, but there is banjo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z004LvTbjrQ
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Chicago and BS&T are good examples of brass-backed rock bands that played extremely well and very tight. When I listen to their recordings, I'm always struck by how incredibly well they synced and played together.
The rock bands with brass sections seem to have fallen out of favor....and that's a shame.
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Too expensive to run these days...
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You have a point there. And on a non-pro level: Impossible to get everyone together for a rehearsal.
But a sharp horn section is something. Adds dynamics and rhythmic emphasis to music like very little other. I love those fancy brass arrangements that populated the BS&T albums.
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You have a point there. And on a non-pro level: Impossible to get everyone together for a rehearsal.
But a sharp horn section is something. Adds dynamics and rhythmic emphasis to music like very little other. I love those fancy brass arrangements that populated the BS&T albums.
The other thing about a horn section is that it will bring discipline to a bass player in a hurry. There are generally no holes to fill, so you'd best find the pocket and work from there. It's a whole different approach from a power trio.
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You have a point there. And on a non-pro level: Impossible to get everyone together for a rehearsal.
But a sharp horn section is something. Adds dynamics and rhythmic emphasis to music like very little other. I love those fancy brass arrangements that populated the BS&T albums.
And Jim Fielder is quite a bass player of course. Too bad he didn't play Gibsons though ... :mrgreen:
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Nope I think the Monks are weirder than this. The Monks are trying to make it on a pop music show. It's plain these guys don't care about making it. Having said that I like them a lot!
Oh, I think I can fix that. No Gibson content, but there is banjo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z004LvTbjrQ
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Nope I think the Monks are weirder than this. The Monks are trying to make it on a pop music show. It's plain these guys don't care about making it. Having said that I like them a lot!
These guys have been around for over a decade in Cincinnati. At one point, they were ready for a huge marketing blitz, complete with licensed comic books and the whole deal. They don't play often anymore, but their shows tend to be big events.
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... I love those fancy brass arrangements that populated the BS&T albums.
Chicago, too...
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Just found this. Andy Fraser playing an EB-2. Super fat tone but still sounds like AF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuFin6yyeiw
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Shooter Jennings. Gibson SG Re.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEH6GorcjUc
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This was posted elsewhere by Uwe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxCGT8l0Rao
Jethro Tull links...
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I'm the card-carrying, flag-waving Carmenite here, but my hunch is that everyone else here thinks their idiosyncratic and eclectic mix of Spanish folk, prog abandon and edgy hard rock just plain bonkers! Maybe they are too ahead of their time still. Having Amanda Lear announce your TV debut can't have helped either.
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I'm the card-carrying, flag-waving Carmenite here, but my hunch is that everyone else here thinks their idiosyncratic and eclectic mix of Spanish folk, prog abandon and edgy hard rock just plain bonkers! Maybe they are too ahead of their time still. Having Amanda Lear announce your TV debut can't have helped either.
I saw Carmen on the Bowie 1980 Floor Show broadcast and loved them! I went right out and bought Fandangos In Space. I'm surprised that I didn't post the video first.
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That makes two of us! It sounded like nothing before it and nothing after.
And you know which guitarist of an English hard-rock quintet confessed liking them around that time ? Answers on a postcard please.
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That makes two of us! It sounded like nothing before it and nothing after.
And you know which guitarist of an English hard-rock quintet confessed liking them around that time ? Answers on a postcard please.
Hmmmm...this is a tough one. If only we had a clue.... 8)
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No idea here... oh look at the time... I'm feeling Lazy, I'm going to bed...
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If you're drowning, you don't clutch no straw ...
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Really, you guys. Who do we think we are? Nuthin' but perfect strangers.
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Aw shux, I'm not really perfect. But thanks for the vote of confidence. 8)
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No smoke on the water without fireballs...
I hear that the Battle Rages On at the Senate... It'll be a bit of a Stormbringer if they don't sort it out quickly...
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Love you guys! Keep them coming.
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You, keep on movin', far away, far away... New Yoik a week back... wherever next...? maybe somewhere like you've never never before been...?
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Love you guys! Keep them coming.
Ahhh...you know, around here, someone is bound to be knocking at your back door. :mrgreen:
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Is this where I say "Strange kind of Woman" ?
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You said you'd only be teaching those innocent minds (and bodies!) about lighting!
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I suspect that the light is going to shine on some very dark places, in the house of blue light. :mrgreen:
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We're running out now, we really need some ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S14XaF6bW7A
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Hush, now, my child... in time, we could call in Ted, the mechanic, to do a fix for us, after all, he's a bit of a speed king, don'tchaknow...
Oh yeah... I just looked out and I think it's going to be alright, as there's one moon in the sky...
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Herbie, you are one smooth dancer.
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This is what I think of now for mudbucker tone-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5iI0__9S1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrJ-_iGmjE&feature=related
1000x yes. Love these dudes. If I were to time travel to Hamburg in the 60s it wouldn't be for the Beatles.
... anyway, here's something local (to me) and modern (for you olde tymers) and with ladies (for you pervy olde tymers):
http://vimeo.com/19580784
That drummer likes to sneak in to shows at my studio badly disguised as a roadie (walking in with the band carrying a guitar or something before doors open) and smuggling her own booze in.
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Post as much modern as you like GG, including anything worthy of your own...! ;D
Gary... there's a myriad of colourful posibilities, with Purple being but one end of the Rainbow, and the absence of colour resulting in Black... more ideas are always possible... ;)
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Nothing SG/EB lately.... though I have been thinking there's a few songs I'd want to use the EB3 on if/when we get around to recording them.
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1000x yes. Love these dudes. If I were to time travel to Hamburg in the 60s it wouldn't be for the Beatles.
... anyway, here's something local (to me) and modern (for you olde tymers) and with ladies (for you pervy olde tymers):
http://vimeo.com/19580784
That drummer likes to sneak in to shows at my studio badly disguised as a roadie (walking in with the band carrying a guitar or something before doors open) and smuggling her own booze in.
I have doubts whether the timeless rules of Western European harmony dogma were fully observed by these young lasses, but it has something. Mybe not two hours of it though. Their
That's a pretty liberal statement for someone who just spend the morning listening to the DTS 5.1 Steve Wilson remix of Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick and followed that with the DTS 5.1 mix of Ian Anderson's recent Thick as a Brick II, dontcha think?
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theres porcupines in them trees.hang on,heres a brick.
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Tiran slots it up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dit0eYUVaHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPts15JaOTo
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Nice clips... sure we've had some Doobies back a while but not these ones...
What is that Gibbie that Tom Johnston's playing in China Grove...? not sure I've ever seen that style with a "jazz" depth body...
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Nice clips... sure we've had some Doobies back a while but not these ones...
What is that Gibbie that Tom Johnston's playing in China Grove...? not sure I've ever seen that style with a "jazz" depth body...
325?
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Not one of those - looks like the body depth is more akin to an "acoustic" guitar...
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looks kinda like a byrdland but the body is too fat.
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Still no idea on that guitar...
In the meantime, some really early Slade with a track from the Ambrose Slade days...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkaMVSu-Rbs
... and a Beatles cover from the same set - Noddy with the EB3...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tacZntxqxx8
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... and anuver one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFKZNo-mmpg
... and two versions of My Friend Stan with Noddy on the EB3 again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwunG0wNB-g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BBEHBPqfIQ
A note about "live" appearances on UK TV from this era - the Musicians Union insisted that acts appearing "live" had to produce an "alternate/live" version, to keep musicians employed - annoying, but it resulted in a lot of differing mixes, or sometimes totally different recordings, so they could comply with the rules...
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I wasn't sure where to put this, so I put it in both....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukONzCkxLkk
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Anyone care to spot who the guitarist is...?
EB2...? yes...? how the hell did you remember that one Gary...?
But you did remind me of this one and the film spawned the NY song A Man Needs A Maid...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKO6zKPfb8A
... and another link from that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOrFlGWaMPU
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Anyone care to spot who the guitarist is...?
EB2...? yes...? how the hell did you remember that one Gary...?
To Sir With Love was on AMC last night, so I noticed it while I watched. I don't recognize the guitarist, but I did look up the name. It's not who you usually associate with that guitar.
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Actually, on checking, I think it might have been two of the ten in a later version but I'm not that fussed with their prehistory - they did have a couple of good hits in their own right...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io2kU9ViutM
... and wandering round that era found others...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXYNHp19xok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc0D-s0zTI4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58mQvW0ROag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5IRI4oHKNU
Might have had this Zombies one earlier but not sure and too tired to check back...
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Can we allow a Rivoli as an honorary EB2...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwAw9ThDQmk
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Can we allow a Rivoli as an honorary EB2...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwAw9ThDQmk
Of course, it's an EB2 variant. I've already posted at least two videos with Rivolis earlier in this thread, by The Fortunes and The Tremeloes.
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I didn't know the Yardbirds had done Dazed and Confused. They sure shouldn't have. Keith Relf is no Robert Plant, that much I now know, he's awkwardly ill at ease throughout. What a dif between the two. Plant's voice must have sounded like the dawning of a new age to Page.
Robert Plant just went up a few notches on my rate-o-meter, Rob, are you listeninng? :mrgreen:
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Can we allow a Rivoli as an honorary EB2...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwAw9ThDQmk
I tried offering it once as an EB-2 variant at another place and was severely chastised, but hopefully it's okay here.
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We have "Honest Dave's Seal of Approval"...! ;D
Uwe... the end of the Yardbirds and the beginning of LZ is a bit blurry and there was even a live LP released but quickly withdrawn with a song entitled "I'm Confused..."
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/LiveYardbirdsfeatJimmyPage.jpg)
I had a boot' of it and still have it on tape somewhere but it is very irritating due to the dubbed "cocktail-bar" noises... :-\
It's not a song by Page and he nicked it off a support act they toured with...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc
As a curious aside one of the Yardbirds (reputedly) lived in the house next-door to me (we moved here in '92) and Page used to go to my school (Heston) - you noted the Heathrow connection to DP too being that I was a born 'ounslow boy... ;D
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Honest Dave's seal of approval has way more credibility than that of the people who were ignorantly disagreeing with me.
I can remember the excitement of getting the first Yardbirds' album. I think I must have been 14 and it was a Christmas present wrapped under the tree. I was literally losing my mind having to wait until Christmas to open that present. Seriously, it was tough, and although long ago, I can remember the intensity of all that.
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I didn't know the Yardbirds had done Dazed and Confused. They sure shouldn't have. Keith Relf is no Robert Plant, that much I now know, he's awkwardly ill at ease throughout. What a dif between the two. Plant's voice must have sounded like the dawning of a new age to Page.
Robert Plant just went up a few notches on my rate-o-meter, Rob, are you listeninng? :mrgreen:
I liked most of the Yardbirds songs I've heard. The vocals on that one, however, are horrifying. It sounds worse than the average mid-60s garage band lead singer. That's embarrassing.
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I remember around 1980, one of the Chicago rock stations came across that Yardbirds version of "I'm Confused". Zep was still a huge deal in the suburbs and high schools of America!
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Stumbled onto these two earlier this evening... have I posted these before...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q5ea_ggGtc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5bKGRn5Eyc
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I hadn't seen it before--a great example.
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Here's Jimmy Lea and the rest of Slade...............
Kinda surprised this somehow hasn't been posted (or did I miss it), the perils of playing live! They definatly stub their toe @ 2:40, H and Jim are pretty flat with the backing vocals....... It doesn't matter, I'll always love Slade!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk9tqdISbIA
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There have been a few Slade posted (mostly Stu or myself) but not sure if that ones been here before so a worthy post, Ma'am...
Keep digging for em...
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My oh my, Frau Steed, that footage is kick-ass!!! Never seen it before, even a live version of Thanks for the Memory which I never even knew existed!!! Lea was dissatisfied with his own keyboard playing on the studio version (needlessly though me thinks) and wanted a "real keyboarder" to overdub what he thought should be only the guide track, but no "real keyboarder" could replicate his attack so they left his take on.
Also noteworthy for the twin lead solo - a rare thing for Slade even though they did it in their very early days before their commercial success. Wishbone Slade!!! :mrgreen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7csAxfd4sw
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What is that Gibbie that Tom Johnston's playing in China Grove...? not sure I've ever seen that style with a "jazz" depth body...
Just catching up in here...
I think that's an ES-150DCN
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My (researching) hero... ;D
Does look like it may be..
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This is much as I remember seeing them................
Jimmy Lea overload!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E8GixOAJvM
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Immigrant song cover by Lord Baltimore. No affiliation with Sir Lord Baltimore. SG bass in action. "we are your overlords!"
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y8OU8JkLPo
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... This is much as I remember seeing them...
When and where did you get to see them...? presumably somewhere near Seattle back in the mid seventies...?
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When and where did you get to see them...? presumably somewhere near Seattle back in the mid seventies...?
A place called Gold Creek Park in Woodinville, Wa. (Home of Chateau Ste. Michelle wine) inside a small dome structure that might have held 3k peeps.......'75 or76, I don't recall exactly. They were, and still are the loudest band I've ever seen. I was on H's side of the stage, he was wearing red farmer overalls with the legs rolled up, platform boots with cowboy spurs ;)
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The loudest thing I've ever witnessed was definitely Motorhead on the "Motorhead" tour - their "first" tour round a load of smaller provincial venues - Cambridge in my case - they supported BOC with an earlier lineup but that was not the same... never seen them post Fast Eddie...
Probably my fave Slade gig was during their second coming - a Christmas show at the Hammersmith Odeon (approx 1980) with Noddy resplendant in red suit and beard for a certain song - as a general rule they did not play it and at the bigger shows made the audience do it, even in summer... ;D
When I saw them in '74 at Wembley it was duing the peak of their career, but Wembley was a cavern and they were dots - Home supported them for that gig - NME awards show... great show, but...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZHLz5ZcVVLc
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What's the double-neck the guitarist is playing...?
Talking of double-necks... a sprinkling of proggie for a lazy Sunday morning... ah, well, it's nearly 2pm here... well, I did say lazy... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLUkModihMw&feature=share&list=PL94E3B22EAD229644
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What's the double-neck the guitarist is playing...?
Sugarfoot was playing a Mosrite. Sadly, he passed away a few weeks ago....... :sad:
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Found them, cheers Robert... new one one me but that's no surprise...
Wow... just checked their history and the only (original) member still living is the bassist - Marshall Jones... :sad:
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What's the double-neck the guitarist is playing...?
Talking of double-necks... a sprinkling of proggie for a lazy Sunday morning... ah, well, it's nearly 2pm here... well, I did say lazy... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLUkModihMw&feature=share&list=PL94E3B22EAD229644
Can't see your vid here in Germany, but that is not the guitarist :-\, but the (suitably Jesus-like looking) bassist Les Holroyd who plays the double neck SG!!! After the unfortunate Hellcat incident, Ken, this is another howler from you, back to the shed, now!!! Good shot of the doubleneck and its bass-half at 1.30, knob positioning make me wonder whether the whole doubleneck was even a lefthand model he turned righty or whether a lefthand bass wass grafted together with a righthand guitar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_gCNRYhwvM
EDIT: You are absolved, Ken, you were referring to the Ohio Players, right? Can't open that vid in Krautland either ... Yet I was goose-stepping to conclusions, forgive me!!!
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OK, no EB here but it seemed appropriate just the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqPY9juPZHE
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Pah, I'll beat you with this here! The Honeycombs
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-i_xbsAkotSc/TpG_-CNgS-I/AAAAAAAAAf4/urr9al3BAlA/s1600/3442453.jpg)
like you've never heard (or seen) then!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmZPLXdXd9U
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... forgive me!!!
That's the sort of error the prosecution love... ;)
I have some pictures I took of him playing a doubleneck that I should dig out the negatives and check too - does look odd - never noticed before...
This is an image on Getty - also has an XLR connector as well as dublication of controls...
(http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/91001496-les-holroyd-of-english-rock-group-barclay-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXreH58Jy2Ug8lTrpS%2fZKM%2biuFR5pVzRFqTGv7HgPm8beHU6BnbhK0zVrLiA5mJuAMg%3d%3d)
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In ever rarer idle moments I've been looking for video evidence of Pete Agnew (of Nazareth) actually playing an EB live thru several Marshalls as he he did when I saw them back '75.........
Day of the show........Before my buddy Jim and I sat out front smoking pot waiting to get in.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/nazareth.jpg)
No luck finding the EB at all :sad: Instead, we have ample evidence supporting Uwe's insistance of Roger Glover being an influence on the band. Forward the video to 0.48, you'll see Pete playing Roger's modified Rickenbacker 4001! Kudos, Uwe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlS4KlQV9HQ
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Pah, I'll beat you with this here!
:mrgreen:
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In ever rarer idle moments I've been looking for video evidence of Pete Agnew (of Nazareth) actually playing an EB live thru several Marshalls as he he did when I saw them back '75.........
Day of the show........Before my buddy Jim and I sat out front smoking pot waiting to get in.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/nazareth.jpg)
No luck finding the EB at all :sad: Instead, we have ample evidence supporting Uwe's insistance of Roger Glover being an influence on the band. Forward the video to 0.48, you'll see Pete playing Roger's modified Rickenbacker 4001! Kudos, Uwe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlS4KlQV9HQ
I think come Razamanaz Pete realized that he had gone as far as he could with the EB. Tere is no way you can get that sound out of short scale maho bass.
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Scottish band like Nazareth... only had to ask... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWiVb1zhme0
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But that's not live.........They're yukkin' it up to the studio recording, not the same thing.
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No pleasing some folks... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6KCJqzpSsc
same era, from a BBC (LIVE) broadcast - certainly sounds like he was using an EB on this one... not Paris - Palace Theatre, London...
Check out the Naz items I found in the T'bird section...
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OK, so I was looking for an Embassy, but found this instead. I'm going to find Fang with the Embassy eventually.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GswuYYTnzE
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Kicks was a BIG hit back then. Note that the bass line is really an integral part of that tune.
I loved Revere and the Raiders - great music, and I'm still trying to pick a number of theirs I can work into our set.
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Kicks was a BIG hit back then. Note that the bass line is really an integral part of that tune.
I loved Revere and the Raiders - great music, and I'm still trying to pick a number of theirs I can work into our set.
In my search, I found this with some really nice work from Fang.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jiTSHTZ-eE
And this has probably always been my favorite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAiWbqEbgfs
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Kicks was a BIG hit back then. Note that the bass line is really an integral part of that tune.
I loved Revere and the Raiders - great music, and I'm still trying to pick a number of theirs I can work into our set.
I once had a dream in which Kicks played in its entirety throughout the dream. It sounded really good, too. Along with a dream in which I was a Roman soldier, that's one of the weirdest dreams I've ever had.
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That'a great number from the jack Benny show - Fang was all OVER that one!
A couple of my all-time faves are The Great Airplane Strike - especially the bass lead at the start of the number....looks like Fang has a Hofner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdWukrt8PKg
And "Hungry", which was another biggie and is a pretty powerful song....and the bass just slams the listeners all through it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1fbAlxWSzU
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The Raiders were huge for several years. You had to be there.
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my first concert. i was 13 or 14. the band was great but the fire marshall pulled the plug early because of the beatle type pandemonium. being a record geek of sorts people are still paying premium collector prices for certain raiders records.
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years ago we would do a 20 minute medley of their stuff...always got a good dance response
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Uwe found this one so reposted in the regular thread...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck0U14YFg1Q
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Early Bon Scott in Aussie band Fraternity. EB-3 sighting at 2:00 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZY2nl2CwLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgWGQTcDFLk
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Is the EB well running dry already?
Holdsworth fans should know this singer well, and Mick Moody is there as well.
Nice EB0F playing here, although at 4:26 parts of the pickguard is modded or taped over.
Not many EB0F clips from the early days around.
Also note the dog sitting between the orange cabs, the trippin´ audience and a purple marshall that matches Paul´s
pants nicely :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFoXgAMgS-Q&feature=player_detailpage
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And a couple of close-ups!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIwaYwbjF3M&feature=player_detailpage
Nice plec-playing here.
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Is the EB well running dry already?
Holdsworth fans should know this singer well, and Mick Moody is there as well.
Nice EB0F playing here, although at 4:26 parts of the pickguard is modded or taped over.
Not many EB0F clips from the early days around.
Also note the dog sitting between the orange cabs, the trippin´ audience and a purple marshall that matches Paul´s
pants nicely :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFoXgAMgS-Q&feature=player_detailpage
A moustache-less Herr Moody, who'd have thought!
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He wasn't born with it, dear chap...
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EB0 SVT and Reggae, match made in heavon mun..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTWHuLjPOK8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xur8Ng-DGp8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6UMw_6OOEs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oWHM1HftaE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oWHM1HftaE
Charles Bradley is a man who knows how to sweat.
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He's doing a good job of filling the void left by the former hardest working man in show business, Mr. Dynamite, Godfather of Soul, Soul Brother number one James Brown. Not the same without the high pitched screaming. Neat SB-400.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPPXLcS1loU
There's another one that Youtube blocked. It offers a great look at Jack's modified 50's EB1 with a bass tutorial for Cream's "I Feel Free" followed by a band performance. Great stuff that's worth a search. Just search Jack Bruce Gary Moore I Feel Free.
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Something Harry found (caused me to go hunting, that is) - EB3 slot head visible here and there with some close-ups from near 6 mins...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyPNZiFJyS0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPPXLcS1loU
There's another one that Youtube blocked. It offers a great look at Jack's modified 50's EB1 with a bass tutorial for Cream's "I Feel Free" followed by a band performance. Great stuff that's worth a search. Just search Jack Bruce Gary Moore I Feel Free.
Interesting, the EB 1 didn't have the Schaller behemoth bridge yet back then. I thought BBM were underrated and suffered unjust backlash for the obvious Cream connotations. Gary Moore could be grating most of the time (be it solo or with Thin Lizzy), but I found him relatively pleasant with BBM. Funny seeing that vid now, I bet poor Gary did not envisage that he'd be the first to go among those three.
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Interesting, the EB 1 didn't have the Schaller behemoth bridge yet back then. I thought BBM were underrated and suffered unjust backlash for the obvious Cream connotations. Gary Moore could be grating most of the time (be it solo or with Thin Lizzy), but I found him relatively pleasant with BBM. Funny seeing that vid now, I bet poor Gary did not envisage that he'd be the first to go among those three.
I have a friend who is a big fan of both Cream and BBM. He seems totally convinced that it was Gary Moore's looks which kept BBM down. When it comes to matters such as these, he can make a convincing case, since he is convinced that rock stars should always look the part. The point being, of course, that the public cares very much how someone looks. Somebody, I suppose, might try to argue that Ginger Baker doesn't look so good, either. My answer to that would be that he is too much of a living legend now for that to make much difference. In fact, during Cream, I think Ginger may have looked the coolest of all, kind of like a pirate/rock star combination.
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... Funny seeing that vid now, I bet poor Gary did not envisage that he'd be the first to go among those three.
Jack's liver was first.
Somebody, I suppose, might try to argue that Ginger Baker doesn't look so good, either. My answer to that would be that he is too much of a living legend now for that to make much difference. In fact, during Cream, I think Ginger may have looked the coolest of all, kind of like a pirate/rock star combination.
Ginger always looked like a character from a horror movie, with a personality to match. But he's a drummer, not a frontman.
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I have a friend who is a big fan of both Cream and BBM. He seems totally convinced that it was Gary Moore's looks which kept BBM down. When it comes to matters such as these, he can make a convincing case, since he is convinced that rock stars should always look the part. The point being, of course, that the public cares very much how someone looks. Somebody, I suppose, might try to argue that Ginger Baker doesn't look so good, either. My answer to that would be that he is too much of a living legend now for that to make much difference. In fact, during Cream, I think Ginger may have looked the coolest of all, kind of like a pirate/rock star combination.
Your friend is not alone. Gene Simmons said the same thing about Gary Moore in the eighties: that if it wasn't for his looks he'd conquer American radio and MTV. In my view it's not a recipe for success, but it can help more than a little. Peter Frampton was a good guitarist, capable songwriter and had a hard-earned touring pedigree both with Humble Pie and his own band - still, Frampton Comes Alive did not sell for the music alone.
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Jack's liver was first.
Ginger always looked like a character from a horror movie, with a personality to match. But he's a drummer, not a frontman.
Now Ginger looks so bad he reminds me very much of the way my father looked before he died. I see no way he could be in good health. However, during the Cream days, he did dress the part of a rock star, IMO. I thought Jack went a little over the top with that fur hat. Eric Clapton looked way too much like a dandy. It's all subjective, but Ginger did look cool to me. Now, however, he acts like a madman, and probably always did. Like breaking the reporter's nose who was doing the article on him. Stuff like that is just inexcusable.
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Your friend is not alone. Gene Simmons said the same thing about Gary Moore in the eighties: that if it wasn't for his looks he'd conquer American radio and MTV. In my view it's not a recipe for success, but it can help more than a little. Peter Frampton was a good guitarist, capable songwriter and had a hard-earned touring pedigree both with Humble Pie and his own band - still, Frampton Comes Alive did not sell for the music alone.
I wasn't even aware that Gene Simmons said that. He gets criticized a lot for being outspoken. I can take it or leave it, but find that much of the time he is accurate, although maybe a little too brutally honest.
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Herr Kilminster's successor digs in and Hawkwind do Roxy Music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFPLgGWMndc
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The bass player with Eli Paperboy Reed plays a Gibson EB-0 on a lot of their live footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDt18FFOx1g
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The bass player with Eli Paperboy Reed plays a Gibson EB-0 on a lot of their live footage
That sounds to me like a newer EB-0, not the older mudbucker version. Nice playing - I dig that!
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I don't know of a new EB-0. The reissued ones were all EB-3 (named SG Bass) weren't they?
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Herr Kilminster's successor digs in and Hawkwind do Roxy Music.
I think that's Lemmy's replacement's replacement... (Paul Rudolph then Adrian Shaw) ... all very confusing considering that Brock was also missing there and Nik Turner was gone, so it was more Bob Calvert and friends... saw the previous tour with Atom (spinal) Henge...
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I don't know of a new EB-0. The reissued ones were all EB-3 (named SG Bass) weren't they?
They were. The only modern EB-0 is the Epi one which as their workhorse starter model has been in their catalog for ages. By the sound it could well be an early sixties Gibson though (when mud hadn't gone overboard yet, more a middish growl) or one after market equipped with a - gasp! - Model 1 which would explain the more audible sound.
Gibson hasn't (re)issued one pup basses in a long time, the newish Grabber II excepted, the most "recent" ones I can think of all stem from the early to mid eighties, i.e. original Grabber, the WRC "Clown" basses with their sole Rick Turner diamond shaped split-coil (which never made it into production) and the Victory Standard. Plus the 1986 limited run of TB Rev IIs for Japan.
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Any 60s EB-0 is capable of sounding like that with the right amp.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJcolSoKZjc
Love Trevor Bolder's (RIP) tone in this one. Forgive if it's been previously posted.
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Any 60s EB-0 is capable of sounding like that with the right amp.
OK, I'll believe you...although it sounds too bright to be a mudbucker to me.
I wasn't aware of how long it had been since Gibson offered an EB-0 model.
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Thelast ones came out in the late seventies, sales were already miniscule by then. No one in his right mind wanted a deep sounding short scale back then. In the following decades gibson didn't even produce a short scale up to the advent of the SG reissue.
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Love Trevor Bolder's (RIP) tone in this one. Forgive if it's been previously posted.
:mrgreen:
Great footage, havent seen this. Lost tapes are always fun!
I recently got back a cassette with the 'only known recording' of a band i had back in '93.
The band lasted for about a month, and was just some friends having a good time between other band projects.
I always record and document, so hearing this for the first time in 20 years got me tasting the lost tape-fruits big time!
From that day I never borrowed tapes to drummers.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJcolSoKZjc
Love Trevor Bolder's (RIP) tone in this one. Forgive if it's been previously posted.
:mrgreen:
If you pause at 3:59 you can see it's a late 60's EB3 with the evertilt bridge and he's playing in varitone position 3.
Bass Player has a transcription of "Drive in Saturday" in their latest issue.
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Never knew that the bass player in J Frank Wilsons Cavaliers had this kind of bass. But now, I know... http://www.lastfm.se/music/J.+Frank+Wilson+&+The+Cavaliers/+images/40433169 And a really nice bass riff it is, also!
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I just realised there are no clips from 70's Aussie glam rockers "Hush" in this thread. Please allow me to rectify that now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enN2afjb6Ac
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Never knew that the bass player in J Frank Wilsons Cavaliers had this kind of bass. But now, I know... http://www.lastfm.se/music/J.+Frank+Wilson+&+The+Cavaliers/+images/40433169 And a really nice bass riff it is, also!
Now there's a name from the past. Sure enough, there's also a still pic showing it here (as if you couldn't tell by the sound!).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh4se9YMV3A
Wikipedia says Lewis Elliott was the bassist and that he took over the band when Wilson left.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snqPdnOYs2E&nomobile=1
Pete Brown & Piblokto! - Golden Country Kingdom, love the tone of this strung upside down EB3, really high in the mix. Enjoy
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that looks like a young chris cutler on the drums there.
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Looked them up... someone called Laurie Allen... also played with Gong...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdZSqIlgMmI
Nice thumpin' EB-2 goin' down
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It's tough to get a good bead on this one, but I believe it's a fretless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruT7MUQ42aQ
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Nice one! At first I thought it was a Rivoli (headstock shape was stretched due to bad pause/movement in shot), but I think it's an EB2.
I love how rustic that vid is. It's like they finished recording the song and shot the vid in the stiudio's C room right then. Love the awkward trumpet player failing to stay out of the shot when not playing and looking like he dunno what to do with himself, the drummer with the tall boy on the monitor (nicely framed camera guy), Roland pulling a very good Desmond Decker on a casual dress day impression and some fine skank legwork all around. ... but my one biggest music vid pet peave: guitars not plugged in. Especially inexcusable due to the location. Come on indeed.
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I say Rivoli by what's bopping up in the bottom left corner at the beginning of the vid. Rivolis were popular at that time in the UK, Bruce Foxton from The Jam had one too.
I really liked the FYC too.
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Here's one, Jack Black and School of Rock 10 year reunion gig. Gibby SG Std
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf8INiBDgVg
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... with a three point... ;D
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Aaaaaaand?!!!!!!!!! Any issues?
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(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJ9wMtOk_6MkUV82AZq8a1ygy67YkcPR4IUMWIRPtKpKdWXVIF) Nien (pints, and a packet of crisps please) ;D
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Not a video, but he who may not be named holds an EB-2/Rivoli. Must have swapped it with the bassist for the pic.
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Despite not having any talent himself, Lord Sutch certainly seemed to be able to get important musicians to play.
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Phew... my bad...
I spotted Michael's first six words and thought he was going to war with Uwe... ;)
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True, Sutch was no musical talent, but he had an eye for one. And Blackmore credits him with important lessons in showmanship and letting him play pretty much what he wanted. He'd only pull young, shy and bashful Blackmore to the front of the stage when he played a guitar solo. And with the Savages he played a lot of solos.
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Phew... my bad...
I spotted Michael's first six words and thought he was going to war with Uwe... ;)
That is really amusing. ;D
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True, Sutch was no musical talent, but he had an eye for one. And Blackmore credits him with important lessons in showmanship and letting him play pretty much what he wanted. He'd only pull young, shy and bashful Blackmore to the front of the stage when he played a guitar solo. And with the Savages he played a lot of solos.
It's possible that his accomplishments might have been greater than I had been led to believe. I'm always ready to get a more complete view of something. (Well, unless it's something which makes me look wrong. Then I might not be quite so eager.)
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Despite not having any talent himself, Lord Sutch certainly seemed to be able to get important musicians to play.
Your Daddys' rich and your Mamma's good lookin'
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:)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc92MbyO7wE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc92MbyO7wE)
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That's nice...
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That's nice...
The drummer must be really tall his kit looks normal but he plays hunched over and rests his elbow on his leg :rimshot:
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This thread is so long that I don't know if this has been posted before...................
Not that it matters too much, here's Bowie with the late Trevor Bolder live in '72 - I really like Mick Ronson's
tone here too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybRGMA1A_8
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That's fresh, afair...
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This is a good one. Shane sounds rough but he's doing it and everyone loves him so what does it matter if he sounds rough?
The bass sounds nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBCiy6Da96o
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How could we forget Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders? Better than the Beatles perhaps? Just Imagine if Paul picked up a Rivoli or EB2 like this guy instead of a Hofner. We might still have the original mudbucker pickup design widely available on the commercial market.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W2_2slNZ9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pLZwUSDtYU
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There's even more. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B8k3wzHUvE
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I'd never seen this.........
Slade my love!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-E2GXTam6U&list=RD68db9iial_U
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Jimmy Lea and his EB3! The bass has a John Birch pickup in the center position and built in distortion circuit. This looks to be pre Slade Alive unless it is a studio provided back line, by that time Jimmy was using acoustic 360s and Nod and Dave WEM gear.
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Scott, I haven't listened to "Alive" in awhile ( I have a somewhat rare white label promo copy) is the video lip sync?
I didn't think so. The backline is interesting, Marshalls and Sound City.
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Didn't see anything on the cabs but a close up of the cloth on one looked like WEM material...
Amps... obviously, Sound City being the parent of Hiwatt... a Laney amp in there too...
What were the cabs...?
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Scott, I haven't listened to "Alive" in awhile ( I have a somewhat rare white label promo copy) is the video lip sync?
I didn't think so. The backline is interesting, Marshalls and Sound City.
No way lip sync, in those Musikladen features bands played live.
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Great big and a little clanky................Jimmy Lea and the White EB-3
Pretty effing tight live!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhS-36yZuSQ
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My buddy Dave runs the SIE board and he has painstakingly put together much of the Slade video that is out there, often using multiple sources of video and audio to make a complete performance. The performances are live but some of the tracking may be a we bit off due to the multiple sources. Anyone catch the glitch in Just Want a Little Bit? For a brief instant around 1:40 Jimmy is playing his Ibanez Flying V!
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I went to see Charles Bradley & His Extraordinaires last night here in Sydney and was very surprised to see an SB300 on stage, so I checked YouTube, and here is the same bass on video ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjQdtsBfrno
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^^^^
The bass player is Nick Movshon, who also played with Amy Winehouse. Here's some good HD video of Nick playing his SB300 ....
http://www.kcrw.com/music/programs/mb/mb121129menahan_street_band/hd-showcase
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B5zmDz4vR4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXUjo7zcifQ
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Trevor Bolder........The man had some Righteous 'Chops ;)
He was a great bassist too!
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Trevor Bolder........The man had some Righteous 'Chops ;)
He was a great bassist too!
Yeah he was. One of my favorites. There's a bunch of other great Bowie footage filmed at the BBC Studios from '72 on Youtube. It's really great. Crystal clear footage, great sound. It was filmed at the BBC for later broadcast on The Old Grey Whistle Test. In that stuff Bolder is playing a Mustang. I love Hunky Dory era Bowie. Timeless.
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The bass player is Nick Movshon, who also played with Amy Winehouse. Here's some good HD video of Nick playing his SB300 ....
http://www.kcrw.com/music/programs/mb/mb121129menahan_street_band/hd-showcase
Great sound, and super playing! He's all over that bass and makes it look easy.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLv7viCMGo8&feature=kp
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Can't remember if these guys are represented in this thread yet, but I just came across a later period track that I wasn't familiar with that has really good shots of a White EB3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcQcA8BGpS4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN7vm-k-AaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN7vm-k-AaA)
"We don't sing but we can dance just as good as ya' want"
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Really like this video.
Good playing. Good explaning what he's doing and what the modifications are.
I like it when someone does a modification that is actually well thought of, instead of just hacking for the sake of it. Or following the latest hype.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3oaZ8_Bhgo
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Really like this video.
Good playing. Good explaning what he's doing and what the modifications are.
I like it when someone does a modification that is actually well thought of, instead of just hacking for the sake of it. Or following the latest hype.
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Agreed. Also, I'm impressed by the tone of the Model One in that bass.
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Bob Daisley recording with an EB-3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bt47MOAQDc#t=119
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Bob Daisley recording with an EB-3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bt47MOAQDc#t=119
That's flippin' great, thanks! I've always loved that track. Didn't realize until now that he played it with a pick. This track always reminds me of playing Maine West High School in May of 1982, and asking my (now) wife out for the first time. :-*
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Great playing.
But I still think the bass on the entire album sounds hilarlously crappy ... :-X
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Great playing.
But I still think the bass on the entire album sounds hilarlously crappy ... :-X
Blasphemy! The EB-3 is what made that album sound so classic in all it's grunty fuzzy hot and slightly overdriven glory.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLv7viCMGo8&feature=kp
Just because I love Beck playing the Esquire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9OJB_AEePQ
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Blasphemy! The EB-3 is what made that album sound so classic in all it's grunty fuzzy hot and slightly overdriven glory.
Haha, I knew I wouldn't get away with this remark on this forum.
But I think Randy Rhoads guitar playing is what made this album sound so classic. And not the plop-plop-plop bass sound of Mr Daisley.
It' s not Bob's fault or the EB3. It's just the production that makes it sound so horrible.
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When I had Blizzard on vinyl, I don't recall the mix sounding so great either. A little like it was recorded in a dumpster under water. The 2011 re release CD sounded clearer but still maintained the aggressive rough feel. Randy was definitely cooking too, along with the whole band.
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Haha, I knew I wouldn't get away with this remark on this forum.
But I think Randy Rhoads guitar playing is what made this album sound so classic. And not the plop-plop-plop bass sound of Mr Daisley.
It' s not Bob's fault or the EB3. It's just the production that makes it sound so horrible.
I agree.
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Great playing.
But I still think the bass on the entire album sounds hilarlously crappy ... :-X
It sounded different from any other recorded bass sounds of the time, totally individual and I believe it was a conscious move by Daisley who had been a P Bass player with Widowmaker and Rainbow and to my knowledge never played the EB live with Ozzy, he was really just looking for that sound to record. His pick attack is so hard and swift that it works with the EB even if you have Randy Rhoads beside you. I read an interview where he said that he is still happy about the sound on that first Ozzy album today.
But even with long scale basses, Daisley prefers a middish honk edge in his sound if he gets his say soundwise (and is not just a session man) as he did with his own project Mothers Army:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3UnUWeEEXI
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Bob's the best and his tone is great on that Mother's Army tune, but why are the guys from Phish singing on it?
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It's probably from Turner's years in a New Jersey covers band (Ezra or whatever their name was), he's real good at emulating other people, doing different styles, too good sometimes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7avxC4mfbvk
Just listen to him doing the singer/songwriter thing here at 3.00:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwl3bvOqM68
This stuff is real rare, I never knew that anything of his career pre-Fandango existed, much less on youtube. And better still: The Ezra bassist plays an EB so it's all VERY connected!
Not stray from subjects we must.
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Not stray from subjects we must.
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What? The very thought, on THIS forum??
Pish tosh sir, couldn't happen here! :rolleyes:
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A cool jam with Billy F Gibbons at Daryl's house. With what looks like a Midtown bass ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUQOZVsk7PU#t=70
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Très cool! Nice solo by the bearded one. And a Midtown it is.
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Wasn't expecting to see Cetera with a slot head EB-3. You can see it well at the end of the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mnw9uiYggU
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It's what he played before he switched to the Ripper.
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Interesting that he picked up a Gibson after playing a Fender Precision before that as well. So did he record Chicago V with the EB-3?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ne8XxhG5AA&list=PLWnVxuqvY7Jh3-bc5S4-RGSGQOSWT23Qy
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Have we done this one yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLs09J_x6-c
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I don't think so.
RIP Pete Quaife.
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New one to me...
... indeed... rip...
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That V! :o Get it out of the cold!!!
That was cool. I like when the drummer hits the tree branch.
RIP Pete...
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Sorry if someone has posted this already.
Note the "twice mud" EB...
This is supposed to be live vox over the LP backing track, but the bass seems to be punched up or re-recorded. Tommy Evans sounds wonderful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoke1wUwEXY
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Note the "twice mud" EB...
This is supposed to be live vox over the LP backing track, but the bass seems to be punched up or re-recorded. Tommy Evans sounds wonderful.
Thats a really nice bass sound!
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They were a really nice - if blighted - band too. And I prefer their terse version of Without You to the more famous and glamorous Nilsson cover.
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I herewith take the laurel of being the first male adult to post a Onerepublic vid here in the most sacred of forums! And they even use a vintage piece!
http://www.universal-music.de/onerepublic/videos/detail/video:343007/love-runs-out
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The Badfinger video was a BBC item...
two points...
All BBC live appearances had to have a different mix if they were "miming" for MU compliance reasons, so lots of those TOTP (or similar) differ from the originals...
At the end you see a "blond" presenter who has no become the most vilified person in British "celebrity" history - 50 years of undetected and unbelieved sexual assaults ranging from kiddies to elderly... his family have now dug up his remains, smashed his marker (which had "It was fun while it lasted") and had his remains cremated and scattered so he has no mortal place to note he passed this way... lots of editing to remove him from BBC recordings going on... his story is truly sickening... :o
Badfinger were brilliant but so tragic, and as for the lyrics to Without You, considering his demise...
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Joey Molland's Badfinger is still with us. He lives in suburban Minneapolis and plays a number of festival dates every year.
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The Badfinger video was a BBC item...
two points...
All BBC live appearances had to have a different mix if they were "miming" for MU compliance reasons, so lots of those TOTP (or similar) differ from the originals...
At the end you see a "blond" presenter who has no become the most vilified person in British "celebrity" history - 50 years of undetected and unbelieved sexual assaults ranging from kiddies to elderly... his family have now dug up his remains, smashed his marker (which had "It was fun while it lasted") and had his remains cremated and scattered so he has no mortal place to note he passed this way... lots of editing to remove him from BBC recordings going on... his story is truly sickening... :o
Badfinger were brilliant but so tragic, and as for the lyrics to Without You, considering his demise...
Do we now have to rewrite British pop history just because Jimmy Savile was an undetected/"conveniently ignored for too long" pedophile? I'm all for giving those people a trial when they are still alive, but acting like they weren't there at the time when they were there is intellectually dishonest and historical revisionism. It's like Tony Iommi wiping Dave Holland's (ex-Trapeze and Judas Priest-sticksman, convicted child molester, proclaims his innocence) drum tracks off one of his solo albums. And I prefer reading Phil Spector's production credits on future "River Deep, Mountain High" releases too, convicted murder (many decades after the production) or not.
If we started emptying our museums of all art that was painted/created by people that would today qualify as child molesters, we would sure look at a lot of blank walls. The whole concept strikes me as archaic and superstitious: Let's eradicate all evil from our historical records and - voilà! - it never happened or at least we are not reminded of it anymore. Easy way out. I won't burn my Rolf Harris CD where he spoofed a couple of rock classics (some of them quite entertainingly) and don't see myself advocating pedophilia if I don't (in any case, it was a gift from someone who had illegally made a copy of his CD, so it was actually to the damage of Rolf Harris!).
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Joey Molland's Badfinger is still with us. He lives in suburban Minneapolis and plays a number of festival dates every year.
He's the only one left alive from the at least classic (if not original, he joined later) Badfinger line-up.
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Do we now have to rewrite British pop history just because Jimmy Savile was an undetected/"conveniently ignored for too long" pedophile? I'm all for giving those people a trial when they are still alive, but acting like they weren't there at the time when they were there is intellectually dishonest and historical revisionism. It's like Tony Iommi wiping Dave Holland's (ex-Trapeze and Judas Priest-sticksman, convicted child molester, proclaims his innocence) drum tracks off one of his solo albums. And I prefer reading Phil Spector's production credits on future "River Deep, Mountain High" releases too, convicted murder (many decades after the production) or not.
If we started emptying our museums of all art that was painted/created by people that would today qualify as child molesters, we would sure look at a lot of blank walls. The whole concept strikes me as archaic and superstitious: Let's eradicate all evil from our historical records and - voilà! - it never happened or at least we are not reminded of it anymore. Easy way out. I won't burn my Rolf Harris CD where he spoofed a couple of rock classics (some of them quite entertainingly) and don't see myself advocating pedophilia if I don't (in any case, it was a gift from someone who had illegally made a copy of his CD, so it was actually to the damage of Rolf Harris!).
It's terrible that Savile was able to get away with what he did, and for so long, but it's really disturbing to see his history erased, if that's what's going on. It's even more than intellectually dishonest. Hiding his past is the kind of action that lulls people into being complacent instead of being on guard against future offenders.
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I think it may be darker (in
higher places) and there is a lot of guilt that it was so blatant, but so many chose blinkers... a certain British entertainment company has so much to answer for... incredible, considering how obvious it was and for how many decades he was involved with kids programmes...
There is something (very much) going on at present where police officers are being asked to come forward; also that they will be protected from prosecution, for being ordered to look the other way... :o
How I will always remember Saville now... :mrgreen:
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Somebody find a bit of EB footage... please...
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Somebody find a bit of EB footage... please...
How about a sunburst EB-2?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NSJb9rombI
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I hardly ever see Gibson basses. As it turns out this local group, Big Mean Sound Machine out of Ithaca, is fronted by the bass player (composition, arrangements, production) who seems to favor the vintage models. In the video he is playing an SG with a slot head
You catch a glimpse of his SG in the opening sequence and a better shot of the head stock at about 3:12. I'd be curious to know more about that bass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJZ4eM9R7Bo
Riff-driven funk. These guys are worth catching if they play in your area
I saw them on a gig recently and the bass looked like a vintage hollowbody (EB-O ?): archtop, 2-f-holes and single pickup at the neck, classic pickguard. You can see it in some of their other videos but it's hard to make out.
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Bargeon, The SG bass as you say is actually called an EB-0. It's confusing because Gibson calls their two pickup short scale bass with the same shape an SG bass now. A good site to learn about vintage Gibson basses and their variations over the years is flyguitars.com (http://flyguitars.com)
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Yup, EB-0 and it sounds like one, too.
The slothead is specific to certain years but I'm not a Gibby expert so I won't guess which.
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69-71. Marks the transition between Series I and II EB0/3s (electronic and structural differences).... yeah, go check out Fly guitars - Jules has got all that documented better than Wikipedia.
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thanks for the help guys.
There is a RumbleSeat Music in Ithaca http://www.rumbleseatmusic.com/ (http://www.rumbleseatmusic.com/)
and I suspect they take advantage.
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thanks for the help guys.
There is a RumbleSeat Music in Ithaca http://www.rumbleseatmusic.com/ (http://www.rumbleseatmusic.com/)
and I suspect they take advantage.
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LOL; dealers.
from their southwest location:
1967 Gibson EB-3 “Cherry”
Easily Playable Late 60's Neck with a Rare 3 Way Toggle Switch Instead of Varitone Switch! w/OHSC $1800.
LOL, above market (or higher end of market at least) price for a modified bass.
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I hardly ever see Gibson basses. As it turns out this local group, Big Mean Sound Machine out of Ithaca, is fronted by the bass player (composition, arrangements, production) who seems to favor the vintage models. In the video he is playing an SG with a slot head
You catch a glimpse of his SG in the opening sequence and a better shot of the head stock at about 3:12. I'd be curious to know more about that bass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJZ4eM9R7Bo
Riff-driven funk. These guys are worth catching if they play in your area
I saw them on a gig recently and the bass looked like a vintage hollowbody (EB-O ?): archtop, 2-f-holes and single pickup at the neck, classic pickguard. You can see it in some of their other videos but it's hard to make out.
Now that is one cool band, je suis impressed! Love the Hohner Clavinet!!!
As to the bass:
Walnut finish mudbucker-powered short-scale EB-0 (maho body and set maho neck) from the late sixties when Gibson inexplicably went for that "classical guitar" look as headstocks go. Not as collectible as an early or mid-sixties EB-0, but it has its own qualities, sturdier in build and a bit more flesh to it, incredibly deep-sounding. Love it or hate it instrument. Prevalent in the sixties and early seventies (in various shapes and forms), but lost ground when bass sound tastes changed thereabouts. Almost off the map from the midseventies to the nineties, slight resurgence in more recent times, which is the reason why Gibson released the SG Bass, which is not a true reissue of the EB-0 but echoes some of its traits in a more modern, milder, less opinion-splitting guise.
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Rumble seat music at Ithaca's 71' walnut slot head isn't a bad deal for $1,250 and the 62' black pickup cover EB-0 is mighty tempting at $1,850.
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Ahhhh... refreshment... ;)
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I'm partial to the 1958 and 1960 LP Standard bursts at the southwest location. Only 185K and 195K respectively. Seems reasonable. :mrgreen:
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Not sure if these have been up already but I figured it's a fitting tribute to our recently departed colleague. Glenn Cornick and a first generation double cut EB-0.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3MGDujaVZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmPwYhHX_jY&feature=youtu.be
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWLAAzOBoBI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTbvJ-bYPh8
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Nice! There are parts of this arrangement that reminds me slightly of Santana's 'soul sacrifice' , the woodstock version.
Eb bass with orange, can't go wrong :)
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Santana on coke! Lots of it.
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Oh yeah the EB is good for blues!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1fgKLFcdsU
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How can the thrill be gone with all those nice asses wigglin´around?
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At the absolute end of this fine tune, there's a sight of something that looks like an early model of the Epiphone Newport. Cause we gotta consider the Newport extremely close to the Eb0, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9PoUsRibtE
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Yes, I'd consider it close to the EB-O.
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(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000125354/polls_batmanrobin_4009_238289_poll_xlarge.jpeg)
Holy EB-0, Robin!!!
(http://www.elderly.com/items/images/55U/55U-4867_front_sm_.jpg)
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EARWORM ALERT!!! 8) 8) 8)
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Obviously not a live performance but that looks like a Newport all right.
That's a scene from Don't Knock The Twist. Here's another. Same backing band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCOB5-E4P6Y
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Australian "multi racial" band from 1974 with an EB-3 ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enN2afjb6Ac
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And this one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckk_-Si0bvQ
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More from Australia ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M70eYXdb5uo
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From the live videos of Budos Band I've seen, the bassist uses and EB or SG type Gibson on everything.
This stuff is awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO8CAjZYAY4&index=2&list=PLda5xmMh8ReHH--Tzb5I2XQ6Caud-iwmG
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Gibson EB-1 Enjoy ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkGTwmJxHA0
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That must be from Rock A Bye Baby.
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I don't know where it came from but send it back right away... (you didn't sign for it did you...?) :mrgreen:
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I don't know where it came from but send it back right away... (you didn't sign for it did you...?) :mrgreen:
Last year I read an interview with Professor Irwin Corey (he turned 100 this year!) who said that no one would have heard of Jerry Lewis if it hadn't been for Dean Martin. My thoughts exactly.
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Last year I read an interview with Professor Irwin Corey (he turned 100 this year!) who said that no one would have heard of Jerry Lewis if it hadn't been for Dean Martin. My thoughts exactly.
My father (who died long ago) despised Jerry Lewis so much it was amusing to watch his reaction. Dean Martin, on the other hand, was actually quite talented.
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Tom Kriss of the James Gang played a Gibson EB-3 on the Yer' Album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6200VKW0iOY
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What I found interesting about Jerry Lewis was that when not in goofball mode he was totally unfunny and stern - I could have easily imagined him as a Nixon advisor or a NASA or CIA hardass in a non-comedy movie, he had that air about him. I remember a German TV show in the seventies where they played his famous typewriter sketch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozd6W1wyzo
before the inteview and audio and film were ever so slightly (really just a little bit) off sync and he noticed immediately and it visibly bugged him throughout the interview, he was uncomfortable. He was a perfectionist and very hard worker. I certainly do not agree that he was talentless even if devoid of Dean Martin's natural charm on or off camera.
Jim Carrey reminds me of Jerry Lewis. They both have that slightly dark psyche looming underneath the screwball antics. And Ronald Atkinson's acting as Mr Bean - another troubled soul pulling faces - owes a lot to Jerry Lewis too.
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Jim Carrey reminds me of Jerry Lewis. They both have that slightly dark psyche looming underneath the screwball antics. And Ronald Atkinson's acting as Mr Bean - another troubled soul pulling faces - owes a lot to Jerry Lewis too.
Careful, you're in danger of agreeing with the French!
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But we have overcome our territorial differences!
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Not sure Westminster has... :o ;)
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Jerry Lewis was pretty good in The King of Comedy. That was a serious role though. I didn't think he was ever funny back when he was making fun of the mentally retarded.
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Jerry Lewis was pretty good in The King of Comedy. That was a serious role though. I didn't think he was ever funny back when he was making fun of the mentally retarded.
His brand of comedy obviously only appeals to certain people and I'm definitely not one of them. If the French and others want to give him awards, that's their business. But in my opinion I think there are many people out there way funnier.
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Okay 'fess up... which one of you guys is Grimace?! :P
(EB11 doublecut content)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1wkfJY3AZM#t=18
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But we have overcome our territorial differences!
It was always a con - you were both founded by Charlemange and have been in cahoots against the vile Anglais ever since. Those silly caniggits.
... also Rowan, not Ronald Atkinson.... who is an evil genius (but not for Mr Bean, that was just what made him famous; he was mercilessly amazing on Not the 9 O'clock News and Blackadder... and to a large extent his non-physical/Bean-based stand up).
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Joe...
I'm Spartacus Grimace...!
That video should have been strangled at inception and I hate to admit MacDonald lineage but I have to... :o
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With Uwe posting Jam in the Ric Dept I did a dig through and find something for this Dept...
When I went electric mid seventies I bought an EB2/Rivoli copy from a shop in Hounslow (near Heathrow, London) - the PC was in the shop at the same time but out of my price range... (£200 or £220 approx.)
A year later, I saw a white EB2/Rivoli in the same shop for circa the same price but I only had £180, so popped back home and begged the extra cash, and went back to find it had been bought, apparently by Bruce Foxton...
Oddly, the PC was back, for £180, so cash departed and that one came home...!
Anyway, this may be that white bass...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfpRm-p7qlY
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Great tune!
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The Jam were a Brit national treasure (if largely ignored in the rest of the world) und Foxton's quirky bass lines benefitted Weller's songwriting in a way only Entwistle's did with Townshend's compositions.
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My girlfriend in the late 70's, now Mrs. Lightyear, was one of the earliest embracers of all things punk. To that end I wound seeing every act that came to town - with the help of our fake ID's ;D as all of the acts played in clubs. The Jam played here in Houston for maybe 250 kids but played like they had a full sports arena in front of them - it was one hell of a show. We met them afterwards and they painfully shy and extremely polite - maybe a couple years older than us.
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I have a Jam story for you. My best mates parents saw their first gig. Fifteen minutes at a social club in Woking, Surrey, UK. In between rounds of bingo or something.
P
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I'm quite fond of raspberry jam...
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Guy with an SG Bass covering the bass part. Some English band you probably never heard of. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WZlY7LI5DU
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Me playing my SG, sorry for the bad iPhone video :-\ go to the 1 min. mark to see the Gibson and in the end ;) it is in Danish by the way ;D
http://youtu.be/Luj8982K7-Y?list=FLd8jYK6f0QPXmlY8yweDbYQ
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Guy with an SG Bass covering the bass part. Some English band you probably never heard of. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WZlY7LI5DU
Scott "the Saw" must be driving his family nuts with that song each and every Christmas. Alas!, Jim Lea's lovely walking bass lines, very, very Bach, everyone likes them except Rob who thinks that they are cheesy and Slade just some dumb glam band. Here is more "walking Lea" ... at 3:49
http://www.moskva.fm/artist/slade/song_1141092
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Well, it's a Gibson...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-hfbIadfWs
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Here's one I don't think we didn't mentioned yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5UOC0C0x8Q
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ROBIN TROWER - Bridge Of Sighs EB-1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tLsFsGxLmE
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Nice Trower vid!
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Yup, Dewar had a lovely voice.
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Do I see a bridge pickup in that eb1? Fish face did his best stuff with that guy.
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We had that one some time back, iirc... Dewar's one of my favourite rock voices but I only got to see him the once circa '77...
This is from a rather odd little project called Flash Fearless versus the Zorg Women (http://www.sickthingsuk.co.uk/albums/a-flash.php) - most of the back-up was The OX band, so the horns are Entwistle and he's on bass throughout iirc ... Alice Cooper, Jim Dandy, Elkie Brooks, Moon... real odd ball bunch... LP came with a comic detailing the songs, and a storyline...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9vLuuJ_2Dg
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So I guess this is the right place to post an EB3 on fuzz played by some crazy monks live in Germany... :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5iI0__9S1c
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We had one of theirs some time back... can't remember for sure if it was this...
But in the spirit of the noble BBC (constant repeats ;)) ... and in the spirit of the late and lamented Andy Fraser... a studio-live version I've not found before...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK89EVPRaX4
and the version of Mr Big that's been posted before in a fuller format with other songs...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ6ClSZV5Eg
God bless you Andy, and thank you...
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... and stumbled on this early Slade live recording... have we had this...?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3W6rkjps5E
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If you ask Dave , then there is no Slade performance that hasn't been posted here yet!
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So I guess this is the right place to post an EB3 on fuzz played by some crazy monks live in Germany... :D
Quite sure I beat you to it a few pages back, but IMHO, it easily bears repeating :thumbsup:
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Crabby Appleton was the villain in the Tom Terrific cartoons on Captain Kangaroo (for those of you old enough to remember). It was also the name of a band. I had an 8-track tape of their self-titled album. This was their only chart hit. Don't ask me why the song is repeated in this clip.
Spot the EB-2. Bassist was Hank Harvey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42nqoA2bYlo
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That was pretty cool! I didn't notice till toward the end that the singer is playing a 12 string ES-335 (or 45 whatever...). Wonder if Wolfmother has heard these guys. ;)
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That was pretty cool! I didn't notice till toward the end that the singer is playing a 12 string ES-335 (or 45 whatever...). Wonder if Wolfmother has heard these guys. ;)
Mike Fennelly was the lead singer. He's got a Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Music-of-Michael-Fennelly/111002668936782) and has links to videos from his various projects, Crabby Appleton demos etc.
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Michael ( if you please ) Fennelly was with ( Curt Boettcher's ) Millennium before he started Crabby A. Millennium's Begin album is the lost treasure of the 60s
I didn't notice till toward the end that the singer is playing a 12 string ES-335 (or 45 whatever...)
I noticed a tailpiece on that 12-stringer so that'll be "whatever"....... ;D It was his guitar of guitars at the time, he sings its praises in the liner notes of his demos comp Love Can Change Everything.
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Michael ( if you please ) Fennelly was with ( Curt Boettcher's ) Millennium before he started Crabby A. Millennium's Begin album is the lost treasure of the 60s
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You're right, the label publicists called him Mike, seems he always went by Michael.
The Milennium's Begin album isn't lost anymore, the whole album is on YT. So is Crabby Appleton's debut.
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I meant "lost" in the sense that far more music lovers should know about it ...... It's still for music nerds only which is a real shame AFAIC
I love the Crabby album as well but Begin comes from "another place" and should have been up there in every Best Of All Time Top 100 instead of musical farts like { fill in your own frustration album(s) here } ..... ;)
On a very nice Michael Fennelly note: Lane Changer, his 1st solo album, is finally getting a CD release next month
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The Milennium's Begin album isn't lost anymore, the whole album is on YT. So is Crabby Appleton's debut.
Also on Amazon, CD Vinyl, MP3 or cassette: http://www.amazon.com/Begin-The-Millennium/dp/B001EQP9TG
I just ordered the CD, I hadn't heard them before.
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I too just gave 'begin' a listen on YT. Nice album!
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Mike Fennelly was the lead singer. He's got a Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Music-of-Michael-Fennelly/111002668936782) and has links to videos from his various projects, Crabby Appleton demos etc.
At this point it's not often that I hear someone that sounds like I've been listening to them my whole life, but I love discovering "new" stuff, so thank you, Dave. I've been stuck on that page for a half hour and suspect I'll be listening to more before I'm done.
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Iggy Pop (not to be confused with pop star Iggy...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGfHoPvOi3g
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Is that Tony Sales on bass?
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Is that Tony Sales on bass?
Good question. Could be, but I really don't know.
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He moves like him. And that might be Hunt Sales on the drums - pre-peroxide blond. Some of his breaks sound like it.
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Is that Tony Sales on bass?
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Could be - according to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lust_for_Life_%28album%29
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Modern day Whitesnake, a Deep Purple Mk 4 classic, Glenn Hughes
and an EB-0L (or 3L) slothead,
what a combo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HrwpUPbZTw#t=97
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I wondered if you'd double post this one... ;D
Looks 3L to me...
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The Band Perry again, this time with an EB-2 - one of the siblings has a good taste in basses. (Oh my, that Nashville trip has sure left its mark, recently I find myself listening to Darius Rucker, The Band Perry and The Zac Brown Band!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpdh4pPl0Ck
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Iggy Pop (not to be confused with pop star Iggy...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGfHoPvOi3g
This, Uwe, is good solo Iggy. It was the song that first turned me on to him (came out at about the time I started paying attention).
As much as I hate to say it, Steve Jones playing guitar on something is often an indicator that it wasn't a very good
(e.g. The Janie Jones record he was on, though I do enjoy that ironic Sex Machine cover because it seems to bother everyone I knowso dang much)
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I find that Iggy of all eras has something to offer (and enough shoddy stuff too). But I admit liking his Don Was produced phase most. That and American Cesar.
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The Band Perry again, this time with an EB-2 - one of the siblings has a good taste in basses. (Oh my, that Nashville trip has sure left its mark, recently I find myself listening to Darius Rucker, The Band Perry and The Zac Brown Band!)
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And Darius Rucker isn't country either.
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Uhm, why the hell not? This here sounds more country to me than funk, heavy metal, rap or prog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1rzJJG-Rp0
He doesn't qualify because he comes from an indie rock background?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoW3bqnr7tw
Yet the Zac Brown Band, which is incredibly diverse (I mean that as a compliment) on its last (excellent) album, is somehow more country? Or not country either? :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFGo7V5rr2M
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Uhm, why the hell not? This here sounds more country to me than funk, heavy metal, rap or prog.
If your signature song has "rock me baby" in the chorus, you're not country. Period.
It has nothing to do with his indie rock background. Artists cross genre lines all the time.
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Now that seems to be a simple enough to apply criterion, thank you!
Let's see the theory at work then ... voilà: George McCrae is not country!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7PE99A1S1I
That's what I like about Dave, his advice is always easy to use and works in any situation.
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Now that seems to be a simple enough to apply criterion, thank you!
Let's see the theory at work then ... voilà: George McCrae is not country!!!
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That's what I like about Dave, his advice is always easy to use and works in any situation.
Who?
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Dave Who, from Whoville .........
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Who's on stage?
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Who's on stage?
Guess Who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUG5VMd4TFU
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Of course this has been posted before. But I think you can hear the bass better on this and there may be more shots of Andy Fraser. Maybe this version has already been posted, too, but I didn't see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydItRbb0b1E
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iirc I (might have) posted a longer version of the show but no harm with something as good as this...!
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iirc I (might have) posted a longer version of the show but no harm with something as good as this...!
This morning I unexpectedly saw this particular version on TV & was pleasantly surprised by it. It's better than most of what you're going to see on TV, period.
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Interesting vocal mic setup there. I assume that's a crude attempt at crowd noise cancelling.
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I always thought they had them out of phase, to fight feedback problems. PA systems were pretty crappy back in those days.
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John Bradley of Gary Clark jr with an early LP Junior shape EB-0 - exactly what he played all through the set when I saw the band last night in Darmstadt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um2ItMRCPEk
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gary clarke, the new robert cray and palatable for white folks,too. clarke is more blusier than crays r&b but still sounds manufactured and industry approved.
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I always thought they had them out of phase, to fight feedback problems. PA systems were pretty crappy back in those days.
Yeah, except with that one mic backwards (vs the other 2), you don't actually have to flip the phase on it; it's out of phase by placement.
If they had floor monitors, it would have increased feedback.
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gary clarke, the new robert cray and palatable for white folks,too. clarke is more blusier than crays r&b but still sounds manufactured and industry approved.
To his credit/excuse: He was knackered from flying over from the states and didn't have his guitars with him. The band has an excellent groove and must have better nights. My son is currently not speaking to me because I quipped about his idol, but here we are amongst ourselves:
- Lenny Kravitz would have done a better job though the audience was very (in my view: too) benevolent with what was essentially a lacklustre performance. He could have had the over-sold out place cooking, instead he stumbled through the set like some college band.
- Nofi, you'll scold me as Germanic again, but from a modern day blues guitarist I expect full fretboard dexterity (from any lead guitarist worth his salt actually). Know where your notes are or at least feel them for Chrissake!! Herr Clark was not born in segregation in a Mississippi shack and had to play a broken two string guitar shoebox with a five fret neck because the Ku Klux Klan kept him from going to school. He could have learned to improvise freely over the neck, it's not that hard, it's only 12 notes and they repeat themselves. This guy had his hands glued to one position in the neck when he soloed. Jimi Hendrix he is not.
- Bum notes: One bum note can be charming, more bum notes a form of expression. Consistently bum notes - more so than Slash on a bad day - is just not having done your homework (because the Ku Klux Klan wouldn't let you?). Herr Clark can't even solo properly in a major key over a major chord progression. Someone should give him a Status Quo album or maybe Francis Rossi can take the time to teach him directly the art of major as opposed to minor pentatonic soloing. Listening to "Jessica" or even "Sweet Home Alabama" would help too in case Status Quo albums are all too hard to get in the US. >:(
I'm ranting now, I know, but I've witnessed too many Carlos Santana, Ritchie Blackmore, Eddie Van Halen, Joe Bonamassa, Steve Hillage, Alex Lifeson, Rory Gallagher, David Gilmour, Uli Roth, Buck Dharma, Tony Iommi, Warren Haynes, Billy Squier, Michael Schenker, Laurie Wisefield/Andy Powell, Francis Rossi, Peter Frampton, Mark Knopfler, Steve Morse, Reeves Gabrels, Ted Nugent, Steve Vai, Phil Manzanera, Randy Rhoads, Steve Howe, Jimmy Page, Kerry Livgren, Bernie Marsden, Steve Lukather, Gary Moore, Steve Stevens, Glenn Tipton, Brad Whitford and Mick Ronson solos at live gigs to be impressed by Herr Clark. He is less than average - that includes Angus Young and Slash. Behind all the trendy vintage mojo crap the emperor has no clothes on. Or had left them in the US that night.
- You thankfully mentioned Robert Cray. I had the good fortune to see the man at a small club gig some months ago - he only played two or three songs from his popular phase, but he played and sang wonderfully. With taste, feeling and - that's no contradiction - technique. Of course Cray is a much more controlled player than Herr Clark, but that doesn't make him less expressive. Someone who is not either shouting at you all the time or mumbling unintelligibly can still tell a story.
If my son reads this, he will disinherit me!
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i agree with you. i got no emotional charge out of this guy at all. too bad since clarke seems to be the current authentic black blues guy the white entertainment bosses like to throw at us every now and then. why couldn't they have discovered r.l. burnside twenty years ago.
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Agree with the last speaker!
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From Spain in 1966
I think that's a Rivoli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsv7USKmhXA
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Not the best lip sync job. ;D
That song was so big toward the end of my freshman year.
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I thought that song was really cool...it still sounds good to me
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These Finnish guys are singing in English too. Don't think it helped them get as much international success as Los Bravos but they're nowhere near as poppy either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL7AqYop2a4
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Not the best lip sync job. ;D
That song was so big toward the end of my freshman year.
I only have awful memories of this song. Or what was done to it some 11 years later. Horrible enough to be either German or - sorry, Rob! - Dutch, but in this case the French are to blame. Even it you turn the sound off, the video remains horrible for its (non-existent) choreography. Come back Britney, all might not be forgiven, but certainly forgotten.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_QudclVOI
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Nice to see Wigwam up there. Not sure what lineup that is, but I do like the Fairyport LP. My illicit copy has a bonus track tacked on that has the band working their way through every possible alternate voicing of Sibelius's Finlandia, before striding into their own composition 'Losing Hold'. I think its a live recording, or at least a taped rehearsal. The Hammond organ is right on the edge of overdrive, and the leslie speakers are captured in stereo. The bass sounds a bit thin, but it could be an EB-3!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2EGGlvDiP4
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I only have awful memories of this song.
I love the bra that's not there. :mrgreen:
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It's the only redeeming feature.
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I only have awful memories of this song. Or what was done to it some 11 years later. Horrible enough to be either German or - sorry, Rob! - Dutch, but in this case the French are to blame. Even it you turn the sound off, the video remains horrible for its (non-existent) choreography. Come back Britney, all might not be forgiven, but certainly forgotten.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_QudclVOI
It was big in her Freshman year too!
I had always thought Los Bravos sang phonetically like the girls in Sergio Mendez act. And what the hell is that guy doing ? Filling in for Archie Bell and the Drells?
Still better than https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i9ozy739c8
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Yes, Los Bravos did sing phonetically. So did the Dutch invasion bands a few years later (Tee Set, Shocking Blue, George Baker Selection).
Getting off topic here, but when it comes to bad choreography, you just can't beat the Finnish duo Armi ja Danny. Poor Armi, died of alcoholism before becoming famous on YT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA5GkLM5C7M
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My eyes!!! What have I started!!! Matthew 5:29 (= Corman 2:37):
"And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: For it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXaGPc_vFSg
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Nothing beats Tommy Seebach!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6tnj7IEI0E
Yes there's a Gibson bass, this thread is saved!
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Can we have more vids with scantily dressed squaws please? They're an art form of their own and we have strayed in threads for lesser things ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SraaOCwRnbA
I give Herr Seebach's bassist credit for a good Ripper sound and some classic 70ies disco bass runs. The Orlando Riva Sound bassist gets an honorary mention for inspirational guidance on how ALL Jazz Basses should really be finished. 8)
Speaking of giving credit, as the the above vid from 1979 shows, Cher was always a sartorial trendsetter, this is her six years earlier riding both a horse and Native American chieftess style. And - flash thought! - it just occurs to me how bass playing and female clothing really have one principle in common: It's no so much where you put something, but where you leave something out. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NZbkuPi2_Y
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All subjects in the LBO merge eventually, difficult to discern what is what sometimes is.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHORVWR10HlfzTErxcLLWHH4WyACUBC1wSH5YZfhFjXWnFoIJ4AFkc)
(http://epiphonewiki.com/images/e/ec/RipperAD.jpg)
Unless they end with Ritchie Blackmore, of course. But wait, something is amiss ..., shouldn't this be in the big-bosom(ed) fat bottom(ed) girls thread? I'm sorry, der Holländer/(f)lying Dutchman confused me again and led me astray ...
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Hark, I have found a way to bring this EB-thread back on track in fluid continuity! All we have to do is post another squaw (forgive me, Steve, 'tis for the sake of argument and after all you overdid a bit on the make-up ...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyBFxjmJPqk
And then, voilà ... EB-3 (and never posted here before I believe).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqketmsRz1E
Sigh, my work is done for today!
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in my very unglam band we played a few sweet tunes. this was one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32SZbmHt9uA
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i think ac/dc came after our much
shortened version of this here. :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxNCOdndhgo
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Nothing beats Tommy Seebach!
Yes there's a Gibson bass, this thread is saved!
You're right. Actual instruments mean that he wins out over Armi ja Danny.
He was unknown here until the video surfaced on YT. Another post-mortem sensation.
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Here's a video with Phil X and friends doing a Kiss song.
With a very nice EB-0 (LP Jr shape)
Song starts at 14:00 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilOB6ceWuek
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Love that bass. He's got a nice tone there too with whatever Fuzz/OD he's using.
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More nostalgic aging boomer music: Michael Devin of current Whitesnake wielding a 19 fret Slothead EB-3L, a rare sight these days ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpBlajy9ruE
(http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/files/2015/07/GettyImages-475947852.jpg)
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LOL, even though that comment was not directed at anyone here, and meant to be an accurate if humorous representation of the marketing department's thought process, and in another thread, you're just not gonna let it go are you, and have taken to self-identifying with it. You wear it well I suppose; own it/work it.
More devil horns though maybe.
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Nick Lowe sporting his double neck Gibson back in 1977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnXrucEjOw0
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A couple of Tull's with Glen Cornick and an EB2...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0GAuexrVzo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi3mCCh2Jsc
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Ha, Dave, this invalidates your claim that all SB 300ies sound dead!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMuYD93dOho
Rare that someone in a pro-band plays an SB 350 300 (EDIT: Dave is - of course - right!), even rarer in a current concert!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nC6_hKg71nI/maxresdefault.jpg)
Charles Bradley is a phenomenon - he recorded his first album at the age of 62 a few years ago, a late discovery of a soul label. The James Brown influence is overt, but I like what he does.
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From the bridge location, that looks like a 300 in the pic. Uwe's edit: Ouch, how you publicly humilate me, Dave!
I'm not going to listen to anything that long. What can I say? The couple I've tried sounded dead. Maybe the Badass bridge brought this one back to life. :P
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Ha, Dave, this invalidates your claim that all SB350ies sound dead!
Rare that someone in a pro-band plays an SB 350, even rarer in a current concert!
.. But the 350 is the one with humbuckers, right?
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.. But the 350 is the one with humbuckers, right?
Right, and they don't sound bad at all. But there is a sonic purity to the single coil pups of the SB 300 and 400 that makes me prefer them.
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Is there a "Music videos that feature EB basses" topic ?
Anyway here's one in a 1956 performance of Little Richard.
Round the 1:06 mark there's a good shot of the bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bqeSGpP9PI
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That bass is in Bob Daisley's collection (http://www.flyguitars.com/interviews/bobdaisley2.php).
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What was he always looking at up there?
Is there any footage when Jimi H. was in his band for a short while (and didn't like it)?
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Some reggae man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOs1mXFz7rQ
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What was he always looking at up there?
Is there any footage when Jimi H. was in his band for a short while (and didn't like it)?
Yes. Here he is with Little Richard's band. But he seemed to be enjoying himself.
Oh and there's an EB2 wielder next to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpl29xapwFU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G1NxPADByU
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Yes. Here he is with Little Richard's band. But he seemed to be enjoying himself.
Oh and there's an EB2 wielder next to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpl29xapwFU
Jimi might have liked it for a while. But he is in interviews saying he got tired of being in other people's bands & playing other people's music.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dJj9QSsBaE
Is that an EB-3L? Don't know the name of the player either but there's the mighty Glenn Kotche on drums!
The songs is from Jim O'Rourke's "Insignificance" album. This is from his latest "Simply Songs". Same bass, but different player (most likely Sudoh Toshiaki):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jc15qd3wDg
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Some classic Alice and a rare appearance by the "Frog Bass"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16v63PiHO0
One of these day's I'm going to come across the perfect EBO project bass butchered enough that I wont feel bad about building a replica ;D
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Some nice 70s eb3 action here -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u65d9Ud-gO0
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I'm sure some of you have seen this already. 10 y.o. girl playing what looks like an Epi EB-0 with Paul in Buenos Aires on May 17.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn_jP-w0bco
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Is this one already in? One of my all time favourites. Wait for the tempo change!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG5kswhbUMk
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I can't believe I listened to a Cat Power song all the way through just to hear the bass. :o
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:D I really love this song!
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:D I really love this song!
It's all a matter of personal preference. I've heard that some people even like Warwick basses. :vader:
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I don't want to check all 35 pages.... :mrgreen: ...so I hope this is new:
An EB1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGVvsSAohpk
And Jeff Tweedy playing one upright:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl0ULW7HhIc&feature=youtu.be
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It's all a matter of personal preference. I've heard that some people even like Warwick basses. :vader:
When a child goes bad it's no cause for celebration, Dave. :-\
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I hope this hasn't been posted before.
Warning: some things can't be unseen. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJXM-ssg2Hg
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One can nearly tell the singer's religious persuasion from those pants. :-X
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I think I might be guilty of that sin some time past... as for the co-singer big C took her in her 40's over 20 years back now... one of my guilty pleasures... even still have some vinyl...
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Warning: some things can't be unseen. :)
This picture of Jim will help to erase the memory... :mrgreen:
(https://retrorockblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/hqdefault.jpg)
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This picture of Jim will help to erase the memory... :mrgreen:
(https://retrorockblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/hqdefault.jpg)
:o :o :o
Thank goodness my breakfast is already digested!
I'd never judge Jim for being overweight, many of my friends are. But none of them would go on stage looking like that.
Some years back I saw an article that said the song Jim Dandy was named after Mangrum. No way. The original was by LaVern Baker way back in the mid-'50s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMWHi-SPEf0
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Looks like there was another boot sale at the farm store.
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Life's been tough on ol' JD... :mrgreen:
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"Spoonful" with plenty of shots of Jack Bruce playing. I wasn't aware of this TV performance until recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgP7kfIwlE8&list=PL-iwkjajqT2UEfp0wZnHM3FLObYl0ea2S
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Holy crap Clapton is coked up to the gills in that vid.
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Holy crap Clapton is coked up to the gills in that vid.
A little spoonful of coke?
At least there is lots of nice clips of Jack's beautiful bass!
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Multiple spoonfulls - looks at those faces he making (usually a rather stoic-faced vs expressive player). But yes, some great shots of Jack; it helps when you sing the song.
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Sweet jam. It went out there in a couple spots. The varitone switch on Jack's EB3 has been replaced by a 3 way switch. Looks pointed down I think.
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Life's been tough on ol' JD... :mrgreen:
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They Call Him Hot n' Nasty :vader:]
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Sweet jam. It went out there in a couple spots. The varitone switch on Jack's EB3 has been replaced by a 3 way switch. Looks pointed down I think.
I also found "Sunshine of Your Love," but "Tales of Brave Ulysses" has been blocked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbqQL0J_Vr0&list=PL-iwkjajqT2UEfp0wZnHM3FLObYl0ea2S&index=2
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Sweet jam. It went out there in a couple spots. The varitone switch on Jack's EB3 has been replaced by a 3 way switch. Looks pointed down I think.
That looks like his '61, which IIRC supposedly was an early production model that came with a three way instead of the Varitone.
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I thought it was known that the 3 way was a mod (and later clipping diodes were added). That's what I recall from previous threads on previous boards.
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I thought it was known that the 3 way was a mod (and later clipping diodes were added). That's what I recall from previous threads on previous boards.
According to Graeme Pattingale's Cream pages on Jack's basses, the '61 came with the 3-way. The one with the diode was a different bass, a later model with the chromed p/u cover.
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Maybe already been posted here. Iggy Pop & Josh Homme.
Great album btw
https://youtu.be/u65d9Ud-gO0
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Though that is not the regular bass player - the bald guy is (and uses the same bass). The other guy is their regular 2nd guitarist (the keyboarder is sometimes their 3rd), but deps on some of the more funky/disco tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXeMiGQBeI4
Little Jimmy from Detroit is no rock Pavarotti, but he has charm and charisma.
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Who are you talking about? The only bald guy I see there is the one playing bass.
The crowd is tame compared to when Iggy plays here. Good to see he still has energy.
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Anyone else find it disappointing that the drummer is rocking the hat instead of riding the floor tom? Goddamn, that song is all rhythmn section; don't f*** with it.
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I love how the bass is going through an old Peavey amp.
Maybe already been posted here. Iggy Pop & Josh Homme.
Great album btw
https://youtu.be/u65d9Ud-gO0
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All I get is--
"The uploader has not made this video available in your country."
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Maybe already been posted here. Iggy Pop & Josh Homme.
Great album btw
https://youtu.be/u65d9Ud-gO0
Sigh, Dave, interesting Les Paul Junior ... ahum ... bass the bald (otherwise) bassist does (not) play here, innit?
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Sigh, Dave, interesting Les Paul Junior ... ahum ... bass the bald (otherwise) bassist does (not) play here, innit?
Not viewable here. I still don't understand what you were talking about in the earlier video.
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The bald guy is the bassist 90% of the time, but in that vid that Rob initially posted, the (otherwise) 2nd or 3rd guitarist (depending on your count) plays disco runs on the EB-3 and baldie plays guitar.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/quietus_production/images/articles/20229/iggy_pop14_1463389210_crop_550x367.jpg)
(https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/iggy-homme-kimmel-sunday-video.png?w=1200)
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The bald guy is the bassist 90% of the time, but in that vid that Rob initially posted, the (otherwise) 2nd or 3rd guitarist (depending on your count) plays disco runs on the ...
The Iggy with Jools Holland video Rob posted isn't viewable here. I thought you were talking about the Lust For Life video you posted, where the bald guy is playing bass.
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Any which way, he has had worse backing bands. This one is neither heavy-handed nor muso-glib.
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I consider Iggy Pop to be vastly overrated. When your whole schtick is that you should be dead, but somehow you aren't, then it wears a bit thin after a while. I have a CD copy of that brickwall'd re-release of Raw Power sitting around somewhere. :bored:
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I think the new album with Josh Homme is brilliant.
Never cared too much for Iggy. (Although Lust For Life has proven to be an all time classic that survived the Punk hype)
But he is different than anything you'll ever hear. You immediately recognize Iggy's music. Even the world hit single China Girl that he wrote has Iggy's signature all over, even when somebody else sings it (Bowie). I think that is quite an achievement. To be unique and to keep being it for decades.
This new collaboration with Josh Homme is what synergy is all about, as far as I'm concerned. Homme is unique. Iggy is unique. And together they create something that
is possibly even better. That song Sunday has a great riff, great rhythm section, great vibe. Better than most crap you hear on the radio.
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I consider Iggy Pop to be vastly overrated. When your whole schtick is that you should be dead, but somehow you aren't, then it wears a bit thin after a while. I have a CD copy of that brickwall'd re-release of Raw Power sitting around somewhere. :bored:
I never heard that that was supposed to be his shtick or that he had one. Like him or not, he's just a high-energy rocker who pleases his fans.
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When your whole schtick is that you should be dead, but somehow you aren't, then it wears a bit thin after a while.
You're thinking of Keith Richards. 8)
I'm not going to claim to be some kind of Iggy Pop super fan, but I think he was hugely influential, and pretty f'ing cool in a wild, out of control way. And if Bowie worshiped the guy, that's good enough for me. I also once named a cat after him.
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I like when he does ballads. Really. He has a nice manly deep voice and that carries a ballad well. Of course he misses more notes than a vintage Johnny Cash did, but that is part of the charm package!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tevMDFfb5Ao
And anybody that starts a love ballad with: "I wanna f*** her on the floor - among my books of ancient lore ..." is a true romantic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_zeaKWPEkQ
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I enjoy most of his stuff... great live too...
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This clip ticks a ll the boxes for me, EB bass, old Peavey backline and a song about food.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO0HEQ8WSuA
And a song about roadies and groupies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB_dodhR7bQ
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I like when he does ballads. Really. He has a nice manly deep voice and that carries a ballad well. Of course he misses more notes than a vintage Johnny Cash did, but that is part of the charm package!
And anybody that starts a love ballad with: "I wanna f*** her on the floor - among my books of ancient lore ..." is a true romantic.
As much as I like Iggy, I accept that his ballady moments are often quite full of Limburger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bLOjmY--TA
But yeah, that line is good, and not the only one in Nazi Girl, where he seems to be channelling Lou Reed at least lyrically. Guitar is very 16 year old who's into Zepplin, and charming in that way. There will always be a soft spot in my heart for Candy despite how terrible it is.
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This clip ticks a ll the boxes for me, EB bass, old Peavey backline and a song about food.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO0HEQ8WSuA
And a song about roadies and groupies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB_dodhR7bQ
They were stoned our of their minds at that German TV show, but I just love Doctor Hook and what Shel Silverstein wrote for them.
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I've seen the whole Dr Hook appearance once or twice. A hilarious trainwreck of a show.
Anyway... The Liverbirds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTYl3RtyQc0&feature=youtu.be&t=757
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But he is different than anything you'll ever hear. You immediately recognize Iggy's music. Even the world hit single China Girl that he wrote has Iggy's signature all over, even when somebody else sings it (Bowie). I think that is quite an achievement. To be unique and to keep being it for decades.
IIRC it was the other way round,
Bowie wrote the song for Iggy, then later on decided he wanted to record his own version
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They co-wrote it. Iggy released it in 1977. In 1983 Bowie scored his world hit with the song.
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Bowie was a musical genius, but he was also a vampire for inspiration, sucking up influences from people as diverse as Dylan, Hunter/Mott the Hoople, Marc Bolan, Lou Reed/Velvets, Iggy/Stooges, Phillysound, Robert Fripp, Kraftwerk, Chic and Scott Walker (uncannily on my office Brennan B2 as I write this!). Most likely, all of Iggy's albums together achieved less sales than Bowie's Let's Dance (which had China Girl on it), Herr Osterberg could certainly use the royalties at the time. Those late 70ies "comeback" albums of Iggy have Bowie's production and songwriting written all over them, they are dead ringers to Bowie's Berlin output of the time, albeit more accessible, Bowie obviously kept the toally off-the-wall stuff for himself or James O. didn't want to do it.
Iggy and Bowie rubbed off on each other and both profitted from it. Iggy's ingenious rhythm section of the Sales Bros would later be 50% of the great Tin Machine, to my mind still Bowie's most criminally underrated project. And Tin Machine had quite a bit of Iggy influence in it too.
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I heard a story which may or may not be true, but I hope is,
That Bowie had some contractual thing going on where someone (manager? Angie?) had some kind of legal right to a percentage of his output so Bowie specifically kept anything he wrote during the Berlin period that he knew would be a massive hit in his back pocket til the thing had expired, and then put them all on Let's Dance
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speaking about Bowie:
https://youtu.be/BHkhIjG0DKc
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That vid wasn't even serious in its original form. The Stones btw were another great influence on Bowie, Diamond Dogs (the song) and Rebel Rebel are both consciously written as Stones homages. You can hear the Brown Sugar on Bowies mind when listening to Diamond Dogs.
When Mick Taylor left the Stones around 1975, Mick Ronson (who had been fired by Bowie prior to Diamond Dogs, the album)was rumoured to be his replacement (a third Mick in the Stones!). It never happened, but Ronson would have been a great fit in the Stones, both musically and visually.
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Uwe, it's a joke. Don't analyse it.
Just laugh.
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When Mick Taylor left the Stones around 1975, Mick Ronson (who had been fired by Bowie prior to Diamond Dogs, the album)was rumoured to be his replacement (a third Mick in the Stones!). It never happened, but Ronson would have been a great fit in the Stones, both musically and visually.
Ronson might have legitimised the various nods they made to glam rock during that period? I'm not sure it would have been the best fit; Keef's razorwire chunk versus Mick's cello-like singing sustain and guitar 'orchestration' might have been a tough match. It would have been interesting though! I'm not sure Mick would have looked degenerate enough? Part of the Stones' look during the '70s is that wasted charm, whereas Ronson seems a bit more esoteric and whimsical? Still, it might have worked as I understand Taylor left because they weren't being purist blues enough?
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That vid wasn't even serious in its original form. The Stones btw were another great influence on Bowie, Diamond Dogs (the song) and Rebel Rebel are both consciously written as Stones homages. You can hear the Brown Sugar on Bowies mind when listening to Diamond Dogs.
When Mick Taylor left the Stones around 1975, Mick Ronson (who had been fired by Bowie prior to Diamond Dogs, the album)was rumoured to be his replacement (a third Mick in the Stones!). It never happened, but Ronson would have been a great fit in the Stones, both musically and visually.
I love Bowie's version of Let's Spend the Night Together. And Ronson in the Stones? That would probably have gotten me interested in them.
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Have we seen this one before? Even if we have, worth watching again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoke1wUwEXY
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Great band, have all their stuff.
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I hadn't heard of New York Junk before frontman Joe Sztabnik sent me a friend request on FB last week. Really like their stuff!
Cynthia Ross (http://punkturns30.blogspot.com/2007/05/b-girls-cynthia-ross.html) on an EB-0 and a Melody Maker EB-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obcm_Hel4yk
You can see the Melody Maker here but it's buried in the mix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj7uCLnB5yQ
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I like their stuff as well. I had never heard of them before he sent me a friend request either.
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I like their stuff as well. I had never heard of them before he sent me a friend request either.
And I accepted b/c I saw you were a mutual friend. He must know something about us. :)
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Not bad, but the mix is waaaaay too vox-forward. He's not that good a singer (not bad, but no diva), but miles above everything else and dry as a bone.
The second live vid is better in that regard.
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And I accepted b/c I saw you were a mutual friend. He must know something about us. :)
:thumbsup:
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Who could ever forget Frank J Wilson and his boys? On the other hand, if you did, you're forgotten. It's hard to follow someone who's trying to follow someone to "The Other Side". But still, the band included an Eb0, at least for a while. Until it, at some point, vanished. Also, I'm prepared to say.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh4se9YMV3A
Though Wilson and his pals didn't only look for what was gone, remember! They looked forward too, which is easy to understand when you look at one of the European copys of Last kiss. http://www.45cat.com/record/45stu42201
Yes, bass, and guitar, is of the Fire- and Thunderbird stock!
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Tbird and Firebird aside, I'd like to forget J. Frank Wilson and the Cavaliers. Last Kiss was so overplayed, and I just hated teenage death songs.
Although he didn't quite make it to age 50, he was married eight times.
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Hey, why so non-morbid, Dave? :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e4JXwd7XMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suy-bbKzTjk
"Although he didn't quite make it to age 50, he was married eight times."
No surprise there, wimmin' they just tear ya up. :-\
You didn't like this then either?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjMEzBMiTJ4
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A bit off topic, but this one gotta be there, while mentioning morbid tunes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0N4nyYS5aA
We ought to remember this one, as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UKf65NOzM
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Of course The Shangri-Las, a classic!
Do doublenecks count?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEnbpZd0j_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLUkModihMw
There was a time - late seventies - when Barclay James Harvest absolutely ruled Germany, their Gone to Earth album from 1977 stayed in the German charts for nearly four years, making it one of the most popular albums in Germany ever. They had constant sell-out tours, huge gigs (with The Police and Dire Straits as opening acts), a chain of hit singles, radio power play, you name it. Everybody's favorite whimp rock/light proggies. :mrgreen: Critics hated them and no one actually admitted to liking them, yet there were just way too many album sales (a million of Gone to Earth in Germany alone at a time when you went gold with 50.000) for all those people claiming that they did not listen to them to actually tell the truth ;D, a real closet guilty pleasure!
Yes, I remember liking Gone to Earth too (where Hymn, the two chord - G and D - first track above, is from), but then lost track of what they did other than their general ubiquity at the time.
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Mark Dinning's Teen Angel and Dickey Lee's Patches were my two most hated, even more than Last Kiss. Fortunately the British Invasion swept all that away.
No. I'm not clicking on any of the teen tragedy videos.
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Here's a video where I play my 1969 Gibson EB-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQd7lTKY6aM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQd7lTKY6aM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQd7lTKY6aM)
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Joe has an impressive collection. There's an EB-0 Fuzztone in action at around 13:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctx86V-GI8A
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Ciao Alberto and welcome
It is not a video but this is a photo of me playing my 1968 EB0
(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy5/tore00/mudbucker/Image2.jpg)
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Mark Dinning's Teen Angel and Dickey Lee's Patches were my two most hated, even more than Last Kiss. Fortunately the British Invasion swept all that away.
No. I'm not clicking on any of the teen tragedy videos.
See THAT's why The Beatles were so popular
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VM1KLDwMPY
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What is that dipstick doing to the finish with his zips????
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Humbucker? Wooliest of all time? Not exactly historically correct.
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Very cool.
At least he knows some classic basslines!
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Yes, and a classic sound.
What should we call the original anyway? A mud-single?
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A single mudder by choice?
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P-9000
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The Mudfather... :vader:
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The Mudfather... :vader:
I like that. Think of it as the sire of the mudbucker, and besides, it sounds better than mudmother. ;)
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I like that. Think of it as the sire of the mudbucker, and besides, it sounds better than mudmother. ;)
Great band name, though. :)
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Jack never fails to impress. Late 90s?
Song starts about 2:10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_aR2hfy_7Y
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I don't know when that was recorded. A rough guess would be around 2000. I didn't remember the EB-1 being on there that long. Chas Chandler died before he got to play the EB-1 very much that he had just bought.
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it's a recording from 1998
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I looked at several more of these on the same channel, the others with the Warwick fretless. He's using only his index finger quite a bit of the time, more often than I remembered.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geXphiKrwII EB3
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The SG shape even looks good with your mom's nightgown!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPE9a_epmWw
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That is as pure 60's as any video you'll ever find.
Man, did those guys ROCK! And there's "magnifihair" all over that video. I think the keyboard player has the biggest hair I've ever seen on a white guy.
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Two Krauts in the band sez it all. :popcorn:
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I believe there is slight bias in that comment...
Maybe we need more Kraftwerk on the site... :mrgreen:
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I believe there is slight bias in that comment...
Perhaps, but I think it's "pro-kraut," not "sour-kraut." 8)
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The Zombies did other songs such as Time of the Season, She's Not There, and Tell Her No which were far better than this one. But this video does show Chris White playing an EB-3. If it has already been posted, I wasn't aware of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtyROCysfN0
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Pretty sure that one hasn't been posted before! Dancers are awful, though. Where are the 60s go-go dancers?
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I also noticed the dancers didn't have a 60s vibe--not in the least. They look more like dancers with no rhythm from a 50s musical.
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Pretty sure that one hasn't been posted before! Dancers are awful, though. Where are the 60s go-go dancers?
Get it straight; the dancers are fine, it's the choreography that you don't like. I figure they thought go go wouldn't work for a ballad.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRvcIj3XzU8
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An SB 300 made it into a Johnny Walker commercial. Not my favorite bass but I like the drink ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hva8tS5C1U
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Hmmm...must have been an online commercial. As far as I know broadcasters are still working in 10/20/30/60 second increments. 1:40 is an odd duck.
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An SB 300 made it into a Johnny Walker commercial. Not my favorite bass but I like the drink ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hva8tS5C1U
Nice. What is the car? Reminds me if the 66/67 HR Holden nose.
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Stu Cook pretending to play an EB3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6iRNVwslM4
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That bass playing is sure a true hommage to the meaning "keep it simple". So effective in company with the bass drum. A busier player could have destroyed the tune.
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Nice. What is the car? Reminds me if the 66/67 HR Holden nose.
I did some searching but couldn't pin it down. It's a late 60's Mopar like a Dodge Dart or possibly an AMC car.
I don't know if Holden was part of GM then - I assume it was - but it's not like any GM product I've seen.
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If that's not a 1967 Holden, then it's another GM car using the same platform.
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I think its actually a Plymouth Satellite. That chrome trim down each side was the giveaway for me.
(http://www.cars-on-line.com/photo/61100/66ply61146-1.jpg)
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I think its actually a Plymouth Satellite. That chrome trim down each side was the giveaway for me.
(http://www.cars-on-line.com/photo/61100/66ply61146-1.jpg)
I think you're right. Check the ridge on top of each fender (chrome trim was present or not depending on model), the parking light size placement, and the design of the grille. Also, that Mopar body series was available in a convertible. It's a little hard to tell in the video, but I think the driver's side rear view mirror is also a match between the two images.
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Could be, especially with the ridges.
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The chrome surrounds on the headlight bezels are a match too.
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Did somebody mention chrome in a Gibson forum? :)
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You mean, did someone say fender on a Gibson forum!?
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These are all alternative facts.
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These are all alternative facts.
I can guarantee that phrase has already been added to the permanent lexicon in the US. It will certainly resonate throughout the next 4 years.
It ranks up there with "plausible deniability" and "read my lips; no new taxes."
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and "Ich habe es nicht gewusst"
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(http://www.scharf-links.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Internationales14/Kaiser_Wilhelm_-_Ich_habe_es_nicht_gewollt.jpg)
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I'm not sure if there was ever a designated thread for Video's with the new EB (non SG style) but it's still a good video/song even if this is the wrong spot :-X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvvA8b3AL3s
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Can't see why not... ;)
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From 1959 an EB and a bass solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzVFzuYEY1E
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Looks like a sideshow act! :mrgreen:
Strictly spoken that's not an EB-1, but just EB.
The reissue was called EB-1
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I want that kids pants... ;D
Let me re-phrase that. I want a pair of pants like those. ;D
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Great find. The EB should have sold better based on how well it sounds here.
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Looks like a sideshow act! :mrgreen:
Strictly spoken that's not an EB-1, but just EB.
The reissue was called EB-1
It was called an EB-1 in 1958 when the EB-2 was introduced.
I take it you're not familiar with the Collins Kids and Joe & Rose Lee Maphis. They were familiar faces on TV in our house. Semie Moseley built those doublenecks.
Larry is still very active, plays a lot of rockabilly events. Lorrie is less active. Joe Maphis died about 30 years ago. Rose Lee Maphis is 93 and still working (http://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2015/01/10/rose-lee-maphis-country-music-hall-fame/21529393/).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=865O6o9pRLA
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That EB (-1) sounded cute.
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Iggy is 70 today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UUzXfKxvW8
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Merry Iggmas...
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Brand new from Long John. Jules Hafegee rockin' his EB-2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAlmqnLY23g
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8)
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Brand new from Long John. Jules Hafegee rockin' his EB-2.
That somehow reminded me of early juicy lucy :)
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That somehow reminded me of early juicy lucy :)
Yes, I can see that.
In case you didn't know, Jules is the man behind the Fly Guitars (dedicated to Gibson basses) and Vintage Guitar and Bass websites. He's been very busy the past few years touring with Long John.
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That sound's like he used his RD Artist on the audio - treble dialled down of course! To forceful and focused for an EB-2.
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Saw this yesterday. Robert Berry played with Emerson and Palmer in the late 80s band 3. This is pretty AOR/arena rock, which seems to be Frontiers Records thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTZfOxFGA1Y&t=203s
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Frontiers Records is an elephants' graveyard for aging AOR musicians and they are always creative with pairing up old heroes - some of it sticks, some of it doesn't.
Yes, I have the 3 CD. Yes, I like it. Yes, I know it sounds like Mister Mister for people with a college degree who know that Stockhausen wasn't a German concentration camp. I own up to it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7706-C5pUQ4&list=PLtN4dmtHgNq79ZWzMhGA_E4Es9TEjJi3A
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Wow, complete with their own generic 80s music video! I'm actually surprised i wasn't somewhat into these guys in 1988. Never actually heard any of it until just now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ2Kh1W4l4U
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12-note-runs, diminished chords and odd meters just go that much better with garter belts and stockings. ;D As backing singers' wardrobes go, Cher proved certainly inspiring in the 80ies - good girl! :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsKbwR7WXN4
Don't blame yourself for not hearing about 3 back then, they floundered even quicker than Emerson Lake & Powell (whose album wasn't bad either though there is nothing in the least prog about Powell's "Barbarians at the gate!"-drumming).
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That sound's like he used his RD Artist on the audio - treble dialled down of course! To forceful and focused for an EB-2.
Jules says it was his LP Triumph.
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Scandinavian rockers Spidergawd with an EB-2 played lefty (by Bent Saether)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFggJJ3VreI
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Jules says it was his LP Triumph.
I didn't know he had one, that makes sense as well as Triumphs are less muddled in the lows than most short scales.
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What looks like an SG backing up a few guys you might know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImJTNfWet6s
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That's he most random shit I have ever seen. It's good to be an elderly rockstar.
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Brian Johnson back on stage singing. Guess his hearing isn't shot yet.
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That's he most random shit I have ever seen. It's good to be an elderly rockstar.
The resident affirmative action punk is in one of his "gotta knock classic rock, they are all boring old farts"-moods again. :mrgreen: It'll settle down eventually.
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Don't you even start there bud, we both know that Brian can actually sing, and what we have here is him giving the ACDC overdriven vocal treatment to an even older classic standard. You look me in the eye and tell me that's not hamming it up for the crowd (it's what he wants; I am still trying to decide whether the song choice is dramatic irony, or intentional piss taking).
I begrudge them not; just sayin.
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My expectation from Paul Podgers and Brian Johnson has never been the collective reinvention of rock music. Good vocalists they are, but they are both incredible "safe treaders" and especially Rodgers has never recorded anything edgy in his life, The Firm stuff was probably closest and he felt uncomfortable with that.
Plant is another matter - I respect him for his solo work (he is is own man) though he is neither Shakespeare, Dylan nor Chuck Berry in his lyrics.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXSGocWifAg
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Probably posted way back, but why not again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjKx-yLOGEY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tBeZUjmp6Y
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXSGocWifAg
That was great to see and hear! Had to Google it, but that is Aynsley Dunbar on drums, but still Trevor Bolder on bass. Hearing Trevor with another drummer is interesting. I'm up to speed with Bowie's Santa Monica live recording from the previous year,but this weird post-Ziggy last hurrah is sort of new to me. Some of the lush schmaltziness of his next phase is starting to creep in, but it is still fundamentally a Ziggy performance. What always strikes me is how closely Bowie's voice paired with Mick Ronson's. On the Santa Monica recording it is like hearing two Bowies.
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From Bowie to Journey!
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From Bowie to Journey!
To Starship!
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Unlikely setting for an EB-2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hkmuTvkp_s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuXUa8WIpfo
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Unlikely setting for an EB-2.
Wow, they found the place where WASP shot their videos!
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To Starship!
To Whitesnake! That's his spectacular drumming on the 1987 album. Tommy Aldridge was just used in the videos and the tour and his drumming has none of the organic (yet sophisitcated) feel Dunbar's has. The over-the-top (yet brilliant) drumming on 1987 is, however, much John Sykes' do who would sing the drum parts he envisaged to Aynsley (but credits him for doing a great job "translating" his guitarist thoughts).
The change from Bowie to Journey wasn't so radical at the time, early Journey was a Santana muso collective with jazzy instrumental forays. When Steve Perry joined for the 4th album he found that Dunbar's drumming was overly busy - Perry was a drummer himself. Legend has it that when Dunbar was late for a soundcheck, Perry took the sticks and everyone marvelled at how different the band sounded with more straightforward drumming. The writing was on the wall for Dunbar then. His successor Steve Smith was even more jazz rock-weaned but agreed to keep it simple for Journey.
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The writing was on the wall for Dunbar then. His successor Steve Smith was even more jazz rock-weaned but agreed to keep it simple for Journey.
Cha-ching! $$$ Sort of like Vai playing with Whitesnake. Those are the perfect opportunities for guys like that to finance their more "artsy" endeavors.
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Cha-ching! $$$ Sort of like Vai playing with Whitesnake. Those are the perfect opportunities for guys like that to finance their more "artsy" endeavors.
Exactly. Smart move too. I saw that Whitesnake lineup with Vai in Los Angeles. Front row at the Forum (opening for Motley Crue) and they were great. Not quite as acrobatic as Vai and Sheehan (another great show) but still a huge cut above most rock shows of the time. I still remember how crazy it felt to pay $150 for that ticket. :mrgreen:
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Good Sab cover with an EB-3 in the mix...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR7EPeHXhqM
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He's got a good Ozzy voice; a bit girthier, which is not bad at all. Those are the driest drums I have ever heard though; get some reverb to relieve that drymouth.
Can't hear the bass at all on this comp (that's a mudbucker for ya).
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This is a combo that I wish had actually recorded some tracks. Buddy Miles and Jack are super tight and busy.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x34no2
(Unfortunately, this video isn't up on youtube and SMF doesn't embed dailymotion)
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Busy yes. But tight? Not really. Bruce falls out of the groove here and there. At least that's how I hear it...
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Jack never had a groove concept in a classic sense, his playing could be angular and he took liberties with time and meter (and on fretless: with notes! :mrgreen: ) like, say, Carlos Santana does in his lead guitar playing. That is just him. The good JAE was no groove monster either (there, I said it), neither was Chris Squire. Robbie Shakespeare or Bernard Edwards they weren't!
Macca grooves! Without ever giving a thought to it I believe. And even though his rhythmic approach is pretty much meat and potatoes, but he swings in everything he does.
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Right. Jack didn't do "in the groove."
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Yeah, I wouldn't equate groove with being tight necessarily. I've always thought you can play around the groove and still be tight with regards to timing and note placement, which I think this is a pretty good example of. I certainly wouldn't call this loose. I think Uwe's descriptor of angular is the perfect fit for Bruce's playing.
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Maybe we agree. Depends how you define groove and sloppy.
A good groove -to me- is super tight without ever going against the cadence.
You can play before or after the beat. Push it or be lazy.
But Bruce just trips over a few bars there in all his non groovin busy playing. Like Buddy Miles and he were showing off how many notes they could play within a second.
Overplaying is seldom groovy. :mrgreen:
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For those who may have missed it, this link from No Treble's archives was shared on their FB page on 7/23. Jack with EB-3.
Buddy Guy, Jack Bruce, Buddy Miles, Dick Heckstall-Smith: Mary Had a Little Lamb (Live, 1969) (http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2011/07/23/buddy-guy-jack-bruce-buddy-miles-dick-heckstall-smith-mary-had-a-little-lamb-live-1969/)
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For those who may have missed it, this link from No Treble's archives was shared on their FB page on 7/23. Jack with EB-3.
Buddy Guy, Jack Bruce, Buddy Miles, Dick Heckstall-Smith: Mary Had a Little Lamb (Live, 1969) (http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2011/07/23/buddy-guy-jack-bruce-buddy-miles-dick-heckstall-smith-mary-had-a-little-lamb-live-1969/)
Jack is nowhere near grooving there - that's pure Jack the pirate freebooting all over!
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He's not even "locking in with the bass drum" - gasp! :o Or - double-gasp!! :o :o - "playing in the pocket"! :-X :-X
What's the world coming to when bassists don't follow the rule book?
And here, my friends, an iconic arch-example for groovy overplayin' at its best, and I mean Alvin not Leo (who sticks more to the script than he does with other songs of Ten Years After on this one):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW5M5xljdCI
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I don't have a problem with Jack running wild on that earlier cut, it's just Jack doing what he did well.
I have always loved that Ten Years After cut. I think the bass does a great job of supporting the tune.
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I don't have a problem with Jack running wild on that earlier cut, it's just Jack doing what he did well.
I have always loved that Ten Years After cut. I think the bass does a great job of supporting the tune.
I wasn't doubting your appreciation of his musical piracy! Jack is Jack. If you want him to hijack your music, then don't ask him to play for you. :mrgreen:
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Ah Post Rock, don't know how any band can make it out of the delay and reverb drenched murk in that genre and get noticed but these guys did.
I like how the guitarist sit for the entire show, it's Post Rock, there's not much to look at anyway so might as well relax and sit down. I dig the Japanese take on "western style music" always with a quirky twist.
As for the EB3 you can hardly hear it, so deep in the mix, i like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHo4ZPo-q7E
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Nice! Can't hear the Eb3 at all on my TV; gonna have to try cans later.
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RIP Jerry Lewis. There's an EB-1 behind him here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAFbwQODuN4
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Love the close-up of the bass player!
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That was lovely - and good choreography and drumming too, his singing wasn't bad either. He should have practiced a bit more on guitar though - open tuninung would have helped!
And such a gifted and enthusiastic - if slightly verbose - interview partner!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8SfWiNhTJo
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Fantastic interview! :mrgreen:
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Yes, gives "going out of your way to make the interviewer feel comfortable" (pull the rug from underneath him!) new meaning! :mrgreen:
Personally reminds me of sometimes trying to have a conversation with my dad, but Jerry is altogether more friendly and has better manners. :rimshot:
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I suspect that the interviewer pissed him off before the camera rolled (or that he didn't want to do the interview) and that he perhaps didn't feel very well. Even his body language and eye-rolling tells you he wanted to be doing something else.
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Great interview!
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I thought everyone here knew that already! It went pretty viral when it came out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IZcpjvVZi4
My wife and I were at this show. The lineup was amazing and included Greg Allman, Cheap Trick, Charlie Daniels, Peter Frampton and Govt Mule just to name a few. All did covers of Lynyrd Skynryd songs. The weirdest part was Artimis Pyle was sitting a few rows behind us, He hadnt been invited so he bought a ticket.
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Well the whole thing about Artimus getting accused of molesting his daughter might be part of the reason they didn't want him up there. Nice job on the Rhodes there.
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On second thought, I think that's a Wurlitzer. The black LP jr sounds just as good on the solo as any PAF equipped LP too.
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I think their hatred for Artimus pre-dates all that and hasn't gotten any better lately given all the lawsuits over his movie.
This was a pretty good documentary/story about them from a few years back. Way better than the old Behind the Music episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFIkQjDtwOw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u46ywBNSkg
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George knows his Gibsons, and he gives credit where credit's due to Audiovox.
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They do say on their site that they don't always list everything they have. But I remember in years past they would often have an EB-1 or two on a fairly regular basis. The last few times I've been there were none. In fact, I've seen fewer Gibsons, period, or even none at all. (I'm talking about the site. I've never been to the store, although at some point I probably will.)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN_RiY2-suc
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Trower has still got it. Based on this performance he deserves as much accolades and acclaim as Clapton. Perhaps it's the fish face that keeps him from being as popular. I'm guessing Jack's EB is with his son now. Hope to see it grace a stage again in the future.
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I prefer Clapton to Trower.
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And I prefer Trower to Clapton! :)
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I find it hard to compare the two, Trower is firmly footed in electric blues (rock) a la Hendrix, Clapton has long augmented his blues origins with country-, pop- and singer-songwriter components. Clapton is more eclectic, Trower has his niche in which he excels. Clapton left Cream because he found the power trio confining and wanted to create The Band-type music, Trower left Procol Harum because the music was/became too "unbloozy" for him, he wanted a smaller canvas to paint on where he had more control.
And I prefer Rory Gallagher (for his rawer approach) to both so there! :mrgreen:
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... and a big plus for Trower was his vocal... ist... Jim Dewar... such a loss...
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Cool version of A Forest with Gallup rocking the Rivoli reissue; manual echo on the outro - I always assumed he used a delay there. Cooler still that it's an all black hollowbody lineup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnVldyHRcjU
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Cool version of A Forest with Gallup rocking the Rivoli reissue; manual echo on the outro - I always assumed he used a delay there. Cooler still that it's an all black hollowbody lineup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnVldyHRcjU
Nice. Love this stuff. Headstock says "Knight". ???
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Derek St. Holmes Band with unknown bassist (not Rob Grange) playing modern day EB bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBidm7-1_vY
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Drummer shit the bed!
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I only realized now: That is David Kiswiney playing that modern day EB(-13). Having played Grabbers and Victory basses before, he's obviously the faithful Gibson type. Or perhaps living in Nashville as he does, he gets them for free. :)
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Sweet SB tone and good footwork in this live to air performance by Chicano Batman (starts at the 50 min mark; not the whole song/performance):
https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2017/10/18#
And here again, but this time rocking a mudbucker - think it's and EB0 but hard to tell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sOXiL05VSY
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This I like! The mannered quirkiness paired with a pop sense reminds me of the Super Furry Animals which I love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrcgeS78fw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlWLc8V_-SE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpjMy_e8XlA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZJIrF5OPGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNB3WWkNVhM
Just ordered the CD of Chicano Batman, danke Jake!
Re the core subject: That even sounds like a mudbucker, indirect signal and all.
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A video of angry young pre-glam Slade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-E2GXTam6U
Some good shots of Jim Lea's EB-3. I thought he sent it to John Birch for some work, and Birch went wild and refinished it and modified it way further than Lea requested. Odd then to see it here, with two Birch pickups and the stock mudbucker. Or two EB-3 bridge pickups fitted? The pickup between the cover and the mudbucker isn't stock!
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A much more sensible look.... dunno about angry tho.
Anywho, that added middle pickup is no EB mini; soemthing else. Can't quite tell (vid quality and reflections of the stage lights) but it could be Jim Lea. You know he could have taken the bass to him more than once, and this was just the stage 1 modification.
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A much more sensible look.... dunno about angry tho.
Anywho, that added middle pickup is no EB mini; soemthing else. Can't quite tell (vid quality and reflections of the stage lights) but it could be Jim Lea. You know he could have taken the bass to him more than once, and this was just the stage 1 modification.
They look like John Birch mini humbuckers, I just couldn't see the bajillion pole pieces that JB pickups tend to have. It could be down to image degradation or the film it was originally captured on.
Slade had a close working relationship with John Birch, so I wouldn't be surprised if the bass made multiple trips to him. When the bass was refinished white it also lost the mudbucker and gained a bigger batwing pickguard. After the mods the bass was closer to the custom basses John Birch built for Jim, so maybe Jim requested the mudbucker be removed and it was the refinish that was above and beyond the work requested.
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Nice. Love this stuff. Headstock says "Knight". ???
love that version, that's the first song i learnt to play on the bass.
Interesting occurence re gallup and his basses, while doing some Uni research Wikipedia told me that He was known for playing a T-bird, which struck me as odd as Ive always seen him with semi's. an Image search and sure enough theres lots pics of him using a bird at gigs, so i went looking for a cool video to put on the Tbird thread, nothing , went through every promo and released live ones and he never uses the bird, even though on loads of the audience vids he seems to use it a lot. I wonder why he would prefer the bird for live use but not want to be seen with it on promo stuff?
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I found this one interesting. Though the video shows the Danelectro the 35s intro is nice. Looks like Golden Earrings Rinus Gerritsen is shopping for an (or could it be the) EB-3 in a music store (watch the hang tag):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXXuR5bCoKk
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That must be it yes.
At the release of my book, Rinus told the audience they were in the studio for the recordings of Moontan. And his Danelectro just wouldn't stay in tune.
They had to go out and try find a shortscale bass that did.
Eventually he found the EB-3.
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Don't know for sure if this fits in anywhere.......... On GMA this morning Sheryl Crow performed a song she wrote for the fifth anniversary of Sandy Hook school shooting. The bass player played a 2013 EB............. I didn't see a more obvious place to post it. This thread is likely from before the EB first came out.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+sheryl+crow+gma&qpvt=youtube+sheryl+crow+gma&view=detail&mid=C4A45640194FB1E5D32FC4A45640194FB1E5D32F&FORM=VRDGAR
(https://i.imgur.com/xSjvI1W.png)
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It's an EB so certainly fits the bill...! :mrgreen:
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That bass player is Robert P Kearns. The guitarist is Audley Freed.
Both were in Cry Of Love.
Kearns used a Gibson Les Paul Bass (aka Triumph) back in the day.
He has been using an Epi JCS for quite a while with Sheryl Crow.
And when he was with Lynyrd Skynyrd he (sometimes) played a NR Thunderbird.
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Billy Sheehan on an Epiphone Rivoli and talking about his hero Paul Samwell-Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTZHEo9gY6I
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^^^ Very cool!
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Those Rotosound tapes do sound great on the Rivoli. It's a shame we haven't seen anything like these original thinline basses since they were discontinued. Maybe if Billy steers enough interest it's way, we'll see a resurgence of mudbucker glory again.
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Some day I will once again own a shorty with flats. That Rivoli is mighty nice!
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By "thinline", do you mean the thickness of the body?
This is my 70's Univox which has a fairly thin hollow body...short scale, flats, it's all there and every piece is original. That means the pots are crappy and need to be replaced.
As we all know, this could say Epiphone or Lyle on it as easily as it says Univox - they were made in the same place with the same parts.
(https://images.talkbass.com/attachments/univox335copy-jpg.1234813/)
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By "thinline", do you mean the thickness of the body?
This is my 70's Univox which has a fairly thin hollow body...short scale, flats, it's all there and every piece is original. That means the pots are crappy and need to be replaced.
As we all know, this could say Epiphone or Lyle on it as easily as it says Univox - they were made in the same place with the same parts.
(https://images.talkbass.com/attachments/univox335copy-jpg.1234813/)
I don't see any pic.
Thinline is referring to a thin body, usually meaning one with a center block, like the Gibson Es series guitars.
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The EB-2 and Rivoli would also be considered thin lines right? I figured it was easier to call them both the same thing instead of making a distinction between one or the other. Does your Univox have electronics that sound like a Rivoli or EB-2 as well?
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The EB-2 and Rivoli would also be considered thin lines right? I figured it was easier to call them both the same thing instead of making a distinction between one or the other. Does your Univox have electronics that sound like a Rivoli or EB-2 as well?
Yes, the EB-2/Rivoli is a thinline. IIRC The term thinline was coined by Gibson to differentiate them from their guitars with full depth bodies.
The Univox sounds nothing like an EB-2 or Rivoli.
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Sorry for the missing pic - not sure what happened. The Epi's I have seen must be different, because they all had pickups similar to the Univox.
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Those must have been Japanese Epiphones then. Not the American made Rivoli.
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Sounds like the Epi 5120,
https://reverb.com/item/3759758-epiphone-5120-electric-bass-guitar-w-carrying-case-26381
I think the early versions had chrome pickup covers like the Univox.
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The 70s Japanese Epis weren't called Rivolis, were they? I know they didn't sound anything like the Kalamazoo Rivolis of the 60s and weren't intended to.
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They were called EA-260 and 5120-E
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Those must have been Japanese Epiphones then. Not the American made Rivoli.
That is quite correct. I didn't know the Rivoli was made in the US.
Tons of Epis were made in the Matsumoku factory in Japan, and as I noted, they are pretty much parts-interchangeable with Univox and Lyle, as well as some store brands.
The 70s Japanese Epis weren't called Rivolis, were they? I know they didn't sound anything like the Kalamazoo Rivolis of the 60s and weren't intended to.
You may be right about that. I just Googled "Rivoli bass" and most of them definitely look Gibson-esque, like this, which has different bridge, pickup, switch placement and pot knobs than the Japanese models:
(https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--GVPP44vA--/a_exif,c_limit,e_unsharp_mask:80,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_south,h_620,q_90,w_620/v1498075051/wh9wmvdrur8dqjmjvi4b.jpg)
Listing page: https://reverb.com/item/5708836-epiphone-rivoli-eb-232-bass-1970-s133?gclid=Cj0KCQiAyszSBRDJARIsAHAqQ4o1N2A_F58cctwlMHgxRGaRNM0aN-dBiD8HYqpqr9wT6kLQWHeFox0aAtplEALw_wcB&pla=1
But there's an "Epiphone Rivoli in Cherry" at Reverb that really looks like the Matsumoku product. Bridge, pickups, switch placement and pot knobs are all Japanese style.
Listing page: https://reverb.com/p/epiphone-rivoli-cherry-1966?gclid=Cj0KCQiAyszSBRDJARIsAHAqQ4oFBXib7lK9jhJ0p2aUNX5dxwi0nCKKwN4FpIMRpX3LyCupBkkNalgaAh7YEALw_wcB&hfid=1461471
(https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--JRHQu11v--/a_exif,c_limit,e_unsharp_mask:80,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_south,h_620,q_90,w_620/v1450402173/p5nsqzpfm3kxig2pxntc.jpg)
Perhaps this is simple confusion about what a Rivoli really is, and the second one is named incorrectly. I think you folks have been discussing the first type, and I was describing the second one. I certainly would expect them to sound quite different, as they're clearly very different instruments.
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It's just not a Rivoli. It is the EA-260 or 5120-E
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I did some Googling and the images I found for both models looked Japanese...then I found this at WIkipedia:
The Epiphone Rivoli was a semi-hollowbody electric bass guitar designed by Gibson and built by Epiphone in Kalamazoo, Michigan from 1959 until 1970. From 1993 until 1999, the model was reissued as a part of the Korean-Japanese Epiphone line.
After Gibson acquired Epiphone in 1957, Gibson installed an Epiphone production line for archtop instruments in its own factory in Kalamazoo, Michigan, using the stock that Gibson acquired in the takeover, with some models taken directly from Gibson (e.g., the Casino and Riviera), other models specifically designed for Epiphone (Newport, Crestwood) or already produced by Epiphone (Emperor, Sheraton,...). In 1959, the Epiphone Rivoli debuted as a sibling to the then one-year-old Gibson EB-2.[1]
Made on the same production line as the EB-2, the Rivoli closely followed the production of the Gibson model; they shared the same body, neck and hardware. Only certain aesthetic aspects differed, such as the headstock and a tortoise-shell plastic pick guard on some examples instead of the black plastic used on the EB-2.
The Rivoli featured an ES-335-style semi-hollow body, made from laminated maple, a short 30.5-inch scale mahogany neck and one large "Sidewinder" humbucking pickup in the neck position. The electronics consisted of a single volume and tone knob, and a "choke-switch" (from 1959 onwards), which enhanced or cut the bass frequencies.
When Gibson decided to move Epiphone production to Japan (Matsumoku) in 1970, production ended for the Rivoli. Its successor, the Epiphone 5120/EA-260, shared very few similarities to the original Rivoli, and had a bolt-on, full-scale maple neck, other hardware and a redesigned body.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphone_Rivoli
That seems to explain it - two different series with similar names, but very different in design, production location and electronics.
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"designed by Gibson and built by Epiphone in Kalamazoo" isn't accurate. Nothing was built by Epiphone, the company had ceased to exist separately. The Rivoli was the Epi version of an EB-2, nothing more or less.
IIRC Gibson (or CMI, Gibson's parent) bought the whole company for $20,000, including the name, the inventory and parts. The only reason Epi continued to exist as a brand was to market to more dealers without infringing on existing Gibson dealers' territories.
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A bit like Marshall and Park?
I've seen those Japanese basses referred to as 'Rivolis' a few times. I figured it was always wishful thinking on the part of the owner or seller. I think the assumption is that the Japanese bass was envisaged as direct replacement for the Rivoli, but I've never seen this verified anywhere.
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It's pretty clear to me that the name was revived for the second issue, but it has nothing to do with the construction of design of the original Rivolis. They evidently just pasted it onto production line Matsumoku basses.
Based on what I saw online when searching for Rivoli images, it seems to have thoroughly muddied the water, too. If you're looking for an original style Rivoli, you need to know what you're looking at.
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Billy Sheehan on an Epiphone Rivoli and talking about his hero Paul Samwell-Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTZHEo9gY6I
The bust on that Rivoli is one of the nicest I have ever seen!
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The bust on that Rivoli is one of the nicest I have ever seen!
Pretty nice bust on this one, but it's a guitar...
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/gettyimages-91372074.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780&strip=all)
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I'm betting this hasn't been up yet. More Spanish TV gold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlQdbdEvQLI
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Pretty nice bust on this one, but it's a guitar...
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/gettyimages-91372074.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780&strip=all)
LOL. I'm not even gonna bother correcting that.
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The knobs are in a weird place...
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The knobs are in a weird place...
...and there are two holes to plug in to.
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At least there are only two knobs.
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Scaramanga syndrome... :D
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https://youtu.be/ydItRbb0b1E
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That is a killer bass sound
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All that from the little bridge bucker too.
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Are vids from Moscow venues still allowed here or have you begun bombing already? ???
Whatever, Bob Nouveau of Rainbow playing an SG bass is worth a sanctions breach, I don't believe that a shorty has ever been played with Rainbow live before ...
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/bob-nouveau-of-rainbow-performs-at-sc-olympic-on-april-8-2018-in-picture-id943717616?s=612x612)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5AEyclD0Mc
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That band could really benefit from a more enthusiastic guitar player. 8) When does the Dixie Dregs tour end?
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Have the vitriolic heathen beheaded!!!
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/xO67p21rgIdX2/giphy.gif)
But you're right, Ritchie has lost his fire. And Steve loves music just too much to ever not be enthusiastic about it.
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Sadly, some pathways are not meant to be walked more than once... this sort of works...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGHbzP96WWA
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I don't know what you're talking about with all this censorship nonsense. The U.S. doesn't have a problem with Russia. This Russian guy even posted a happy birthday video to Ritchie. Why would we want to start a fight with a country full of cool dudes like that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMCCqk4_A6w
They also like Pantera so they can't be all that bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDACorIaxNw
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Have the vitriolic heathen beheaded!!!
I thought that might get your attention. ;D
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EB-1 (the reissue) footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJDX-sYfJ_M
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One of my favorite Mountain songs.
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Bruce's original version is too "Elton John" for you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eszCRHkI9zA&list=RDeszCRHkI9zA
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No. I heard Mountain's cover well before I heard Songs for a Tailor.
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I think most people did (including me), Jack Bruce albums were cultish even in the early 70ies.
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Dee on the EB3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-HlnRnhw0w
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I think most people did (including me), Jack Bruce albums were cultish even in the early 70ies.
That album got me hooked on bass. I heard it before I heard Cream, thought he was a solo artist! In Norway before the internet, we knew nuthin'!
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Dee on the EB3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-HlnRnhw0w
What a great band that original line up was.
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From the comments:
"From the very depths of hell." So they are from Newcastle, then.? :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u-qmfUFeXI
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Compared to some stuff you hear today, this is still reasonably melodic. All might not be forgotten Cronos, Mantas &, uhum, Abaddon, but it is most certainly forgiven.
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I remember when their first album was released I thought it was the most stupid band I had ever heard. About a year later it had become a whole new genre! 😂
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They look like John Birch mini humbuckers, I just couldn't see the bajillion pole pieces that JB pickups tend to have. It could be down to image degradation or the film it was originally captured on.
Slade had a close working relationship with John Birch, so I wouldn't be surprised if the bass made multiple trips to him. When the bass was refinished white it also lost the mudbucker and gained a bigger batwing pickguard. After the mods the bass was closer to the custom basses John Birch built for Jim, so maybe Jim requested the mudbucker be removed and it was the refinish that was above and beyond the work requested.
It's a John Birch "Superflux" pickup. It only has single row of nine poles. They were John's attempts at a "blade" style pickup. They were very overwound and had a lot of range. It also meant that they could be used in guitar or bass, so Noddy Holder has one too in his Telecaster neck position.
This is my Tele with one in it.
(https://i.imgur.com/Sws9Rii.png)
The refinish of that bass happened a couple of years after the above video. I met and knew John after he built me a bass and he told me that the mudbucker was disconnected. Jim mentioned in passing to John he was "thinking" of getting a white bass. The next time his bass went in for a set-up John took his cue to refinish and restyle it. The mudbucker was removed which made no difference to the sound since it didn't work anyway.
Jim was not a happy lad, livid in fact, but he didn't have it for long. It went back into John Birch's workshop over Xmas of '75 and the place was broken into over the holidays, the bass was stolen and never seen again. It's out there somewhere.
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Amplified Heat from Austin, Texas. The Ortiz brothers. I saw them about 2004-2005 in Texas but had forgotten about them until seeing this posted elsewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AKn6RVYKVg
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I just bought the Paul Rodgers Free Spirit CD. It also came with a DVD. I didn't watch the entire DVD, but a modern SG bass was used for all of the songs that I did see. Here is what looks to be a cell phone recording of the same performance...……………
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELESJrbczhs
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That's a good album, even though they have "Bad Company'fied" the ole Free chestnuts a little.
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The formidable Herr John Glascock with Carmen (in better picture and sound quality than ever before), demonstrating that an EB-3 need not sound muddy at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ1-hyRJSHY
Also proof that sometimes, just sometimes the bassist gets the pretty girl in the band. Angela Allen (sister of the guitarist David Clark Allen and co-lead singer, keyboard player plus flamenco dancer in Carmen) and John were an item.
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Early Devo bassist used Gibson EB and butchered Ripper?
https://youtu.be/gYwL3SmcnB4 (https://youtu.be/gYwL3SmcnB4)
https://youtu.be/gYwL3SmcnB4
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Early Devo bassist used Gibson EB and butchered Ripper?
https://youtu.be/gYwL3SmcnB4 (https://youtu.be/gYwL3SmcnB4)
https://youtu.be/gYwL3SmcnB4
Jerry Casale is still Devo's only bassist after 45 years. Some of the time he only played keyboard bass, e.g. on Freedom of Choice.
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The Barbarians, of "Are You A Boy Or Are You A Girl" fame. Early banjo tuner EB-2.
https://youtu.be/OOWC7lhuKtQ
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Ronnie James Dio's basses will up on the option block. Interesting EB-0 with two jazz pickups added. Glad he left the EB-1 alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=83&v=d3aaeQMySlc
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Old pic of that EB-0 jazz pickups mod:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/6e/dd/676edd29ab286ba7e4fedf16f0e01e7d.jpg)
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Cool, I didn't know the EB-0 was for sale. But WHY do people who add a J at the bridge put it RIGHT at the bridge? The string is barely moving there.
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Perhaps it only had the function of a dummy coil to make a humbucking combination with the other Jazz pickup near the chrome handrest?
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I'd assume that they placed it there for some added click (or better "bone" with an EB-0, 'click' is too much a word really). Sufficient bass is never an issue with an EB-0, but for some audible attack ...
If you listen to his bass playing here it sounds a bit like Peter Cetera's early EB bass work did with Chicago. Could be that EB-0.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIy9q55fHrM
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I think the bridge pickup of an EB-3 is too close to the bridge. A Jazz pickup right smack at the bridge would be useless.
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I think the bridge pickup of an EB-3 is too close to the bridge. A Jazz pickup right smack at the bridge would be useless.
I don't think its the placement of the pickup, its the pickup itself.
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Only fleeting glances, but def an EB2 (or Rivoli; like I said fleeting and I no feel like playing the pause game - likely too blurry anyway).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=zK2nJWNgZBA
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More EB2. I think it's borrowed for the vid at best, but looks like a real one - saw a flash of the headstock inlay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ScaGjwkg2Y
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Although indeed blurry, 37s into the Jesus And Mary Chain-clip you can see it's a Gibson rather than Epiphone logo on the headstock.
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Mountain music
https://youtu.be/iReU3hqID90
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EB2 (or Rivoli
Gibson, by the burst pattern on the horns.
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More EB2
Epi Rivoli. Guard shape and burst pattern.
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Epi Rivoli. Guard shape and burst pattern.
Inlay threw me off. Didn't get a good look at the pickguard. Looking again, the headstock shape, as indestinct as it is, does look more Epi than Gibson. ... and google image shows that there were some Epis with, not a crown inlay, but something that could be mistaken for one in a grainy vid, vs solid black so fair enough.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKICzMYwGis
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Single camera. Unbelievable.
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Despite the keys being dominant, you can still hear that bass pretty well.
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Felix is more heard than seen here. You can catch him just after the :50 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN5tGfXldKU
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John Entwistle with his "modified" EB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAPdjXmZKi4
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Hey, Rob! What is that thing Entwhistle's playing in that vid? Can't be a slaughtered Eb0, right?
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I think it is. Looks like an EB (the violin shaped one) or EB0 (the LP JR DC) that got a new body shape. Probably a Peter Cook creation.
I've seen pics of it that looked a bit dodgy (photoshopped?). But this video shows it was for real.
I'm no Entwistle connaisseur, so I don't know the story on this one.
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1975... certainly in the PC era so almost certainly one of his but can not find a sniff of this one... it's a shorty so prob an experiment and got moved on quickly... that all mine was at a best guess...
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I'll check the book later, but from what I recall, it's basically a re-bodied EB-1, pickguard and all. I think he was duped into believing it was an actual Gibson, though I might be thinking of the V...
(http://alembic.com/club/messages/393/35757.jpg)
(http://alembic.com/club/messages/393/35756.jpg)
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Thank you Tom
those were the pics I remembered., but I couldn't find them online.
I always thought they were photoshopped. The shadows look weird.
And the bridge of the V looks incomplete.
But apparently the basses were for real.
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Here's a shot from the book.
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Thank you Tom!
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Don't think we've had this one... early variant EBO...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbNJUWJN_Sg
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Don't think we've had this one... early variant EBO...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbNJUWJN_Sg
Nice, thanks. Man, even then, that bass was already 20 years old.
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Is that the Sales Brothers, i.e. Tony and Hunt Sales as the rhythm section? They are/were brilliant, telepathic in the way they played together as brothers - with Tin Machine they would play the weirdest, unheard-of breaks that seemed guaranteed to crash the songs, yet they were alway back on the one. Some of it was so convoluted, you couldn't help thinking that they are fighting with each other as siblings and rolling down a staircase entangled. But they would always get back up unscathed. I've never before and never ever after heard a rhythm section like that. I was gobsmacked at the Tin Machine gig.
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Are we sure that's a Gibson? The sweep of the curve and the shape of the horns doesn't look quite right for a DC Junior. I'm not going to pore through the footage though.
I'm still a fan of the Sales Brothers' dad.
https://youtu.be/-9b6YcP4t5Q
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Think I found a better quality copy of the same clip...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf8aY1yNA_I
Took a capture of the bass at one point...
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If that's a 59/60 EB-0, it's been modified in the cutaway and horns.
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How can you tell - the dude never steps into the light. There was one spot where I could see the horns; looked too close to tell.
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Definitely an LP Jr DC shaped EB-0.
From the same show. Better view on the EB-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78bRzicKxvU
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Definitely an LP Jr DC shaped EB-0.
From the same show. Better view on the EB-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78bRzicKxvU
I don't think so. There's no clean sweep of the curve, the horns aren't right, and the neck pickup isn't as big as the mudbucker but there's no evidence of the cavity being larger.
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Rudy Sarzo jamming Crazy Train on an EB-3 with Phil X (they speak fondly of that bass):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpOCm7kx6hY
Here he switches to an EB:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9fiESwbymE
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The sound of that EB befits the song Paranoid perfectly. Makes me wonder if Geezer Butler used an EB in the studio for the original recording?
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Rudy Sarzo is on the cover of the February Bass Player, although at this point the March issue may already be out. I bought it several weeks ago, but still haven't had a chance to look at it very much.
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That original EB/EB-1 sounds great.
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Mine sounds a good deal brighter/more middish, not as subwoofy. The way this thing sounds, it might as well be a 69/70 RI with the classic mudbucker. But maybe they dialed it that way because they didn't know any better.
This is more like it ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FGxH50WS7Q
And Bob Daisley played his EB-3 on Crazy Train with a pick (he plays with a pick nearly all the time, the ability to do that got him his first decent job with Rainbow) - which made all the difference and on a short scale possibly more so than on a long scale - thru a Marshall with heavy distortion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ZeQIqZB58
Decades later, when Ozzy Sharon had the bass parts replaced, it sounded like this, courtesy of the guy who is now doing service with Hetfield & Co.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCiZ6S3U3Vg
Both tracks have their charming and human inaccuracies, I don't want to turn this into a slagging match between the two Roberts, they are both excellent players. For my taste, the bass sound it too distorted in both cases. I know it's uncool, but I don't like distorted bass! :-\
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I have no problem with Trujillo's and Bordin's playing (they're both fine musicians) but I'm still glad I bought the two first CD remastered Ozzy albums before the overdubs were made. As much as they tried to replicate the bass and drums it's not the same, but most of all it was such a douchey deed appearently out of greed and/or grudge held by the manager/wife.
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Considering the bass alone is leaving much out of the equation. Jack was playing through a Hartke with his typical upside down smiley face EQ. Unless Jack's tech modded the hell out of the pickup or electronics, if you plugged that same EB in to a Fender bassman or a Sunn 200s or 2000s and cranked it up, you'll most likely hear mudd city. Rudy was playing through some sort of solid state Fender amp it seems which will just amplify the low end if it isn't cut from the eq and give you none of the pleasing overdrive a tube amp can provide. It's not distortion, it's overdrive and playing a vintage EB without it is like buying a Ferrari and never going faster than 55mph (88 kph).
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I think people should know, if they shell out over $10,000 for a 1950s EB, they shouldn't expect it to sound like Jack's from the Royal Albert Hall. Here is something more realistic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VM1KLDwMPY
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The single coil EB/EB-1 doesn't sound like a mudbucker. Maybe it ought to -- same number of windings on the same form -- but it doesn't.
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Admittedly, I've never played a first generation single coil EB. My impression from recordings is they're more alike than different. For example, Felix would have used his fifties EB on Leslie West's first solo album and that sounds much like the same tone as he got on subsequent albums done with his reissue. The bass he used at Woodstock was also the 50s version and that brought the mud even before it started raining. Then again, Doug Lubhan got a much more defined sound from his EB than I would have expected on Doors tracks like "Strange Days". It also wouldn't be surprising if the variation in pickup winding times could be a contributing factor. It couldn't have been so precise a process in Kalamazoo.
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"... and that brought the mud even before it started raining ...".
:rimshot: Brilliant!
The 50ies overwound single coil pup (let me tell you, it doesn't like neon light bulbs close by!) sounds a lot hoarser than the true mudbucker of the 69 RI and it doesn't have quite the subwoof might. My 50ies one used to belong to Pappalardi and he built a push/pull vol. control in it that alters the sound between the natural 50ies sound and something more akin to how a 69 RI would sound.
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Sorry if that seems fantastical to me but I thought Felix only had the one EB that was stolen. Wasn't the reason he approached Gibson to make the reissue was because he couldn't find another replacement? How did you end up with this bass and how do you know it came from Pappalardi? Is the push pull a coil tap? Wouldn't that only cut power from the pickup instead of adding it?
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When that unfortunate gun accident happened, Felix had a couple of EBs, his "wife" (referring to the bass, not Gail), now gathering French fries grease in a Hard Rock Cafe (Toronto?), the one I have (his "second" or "spare") and at least one other - which might have been an RI. They went on sale from his estate - with a lifelong Pappalardi/Mountain fan, who knew him personally, taking care of the sales. I didn't buy it at the time for the Pappalardi connection (I knew very little outside of Mississippi Queen at that time), but because it was affordable since it was a refin (allegedly done by Gibson), I think it cost me US-$ 5.000 or something. It either had no serial number to begin with or that was overpainted (as was the f hole), but it's a fifties model alright, banjo tuners ((which are a drag), single coil pup etc.
I never use that coil tap thingy, but, yeah, it might be one, doesn't cut power, but midrange frequencies, the sound becomes scooped. The only thing I have changed on it is replace the bar bridge against that Schaller monstrosity that Jack Bruce had on his RAH reunion shwos EB too.
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Cool 8)
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When that unfortunate gun accident happened, Felix had a couple of EBs, his "wife" (referring to the bass, not Gail), now gathering French fries grease in a Hard Rock Cafe (Toronto?)
I don't remember seeing it, but I've only been in there once and was in a hurry to leave. Don't remember why I was there - a friend was playing a show or something I guess.
I never use that coil tap thingy, but, yeah, it might be one, doesn't cut power, but midrange frequencies, the sound becomes scooped. The only thing I have changed on it is replace the bar bridge against that Schaller monstrosity that Jack Bruce had on his RAH reunion shwos EB too.
Can't be a coil tap if it's a single coil and it wasn't rewound to make a tap 1/2 to 3/4 of the way down the coil like on LoZ pups. Most likely some sort of filter, since you say it cuts some mids either a low pass or a bandpass/wide notch.
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Yeah, filter sounds like it.
I have a faint recollection of being in the (now closed) Toronto Hard Rock Cafe in 2006 or so and seeing Felix' EB-1 immediately after the entrance to the right - that was actually when we met you guys, but Martina and I went there alone with the kids.
I've dug up an old email (2004) from Mark Discordia (yes, the Nintendo/Super Mario guy, he was/is also a diehard mountain fan) who sold the bass to me, I'm just citing the email and make no declarations to how much of its content is true or not. As I've said, the Felix connection played no role for me, the bass is structurally sound, has a great deep refin and sounds different to any regular mudbucker bass I have, my single coil banjo tuner EB-2 excepted:
"I am glad that you like it and I know it will have a nice new home. I got this bass along with his 1955 the one I sold to The Hard Rock Cafe his 55 is the one he used at Woodstock the one you have he really didn't use it that much so he had Gibson refin it in SG Cherry Red. I had to put most of it together cause when I got it , all the parts were in a box and the bass was in a case that just about fell apart. Anyway I guy in New York that knew Felix's father did some work at his father's house and he took the basses and some cash as payment for the work . This guy was going through a bad divorce and he and sent the basses over to his Mom's for safe keeping . I got word that he was selling , no his Mother was selling them that way there his wife couldn't get 1/2 of the money . Both basses had auction tags on them from Cristes East I told her to send everything along with the letters of authenticy. That's about it I sold the 55 for $20,000.00 and yours for $5,000.00 I was told that your bass was a 53 but without the ser # who's knows and at this point who's cares . take care and keep in touch Mark"
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"unfortunate gun accident" I never understood how she was only convicted of criminally negligent homicide. No doubt in my mind it was murder. I didn't mourn her passing.
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You weren't there and there was a history of alcohol and domestic violence plus he wanted to leave her - mental note: Don't try to leave your significant other if there are guns lying around. File under tragic. We all know that - statistically speaking - your spouse is the most likely person to kill you in anger. Through all ages.
It's easy to say "that was murder!" if you just know the simple outward appearance facts; once you get closer though everything becomes a lot less clear. The determining circumstances for murder as opposed to manslaughter as opposed to lethal assault can sometimes only be split seconds.
Gail was his lifelong partner, contributed to Mountain's success (even Mountain fans admit to that) etc. I don't know whether she ever felt any deep remorse, but I wouldn't measure her just on what happened that fateful day.
I'm listening to a lot of Mountain albums right now (previously I only had a double CD compilation of theirs, now I've brought their first five albums in a budget box). It strikes me how good the production sound is, how varied they were and how similar Felix' voice is to Jack Bruce's or is it the other way around? :mrgreen: He sings a bit smoother than Bruce and his bass playing is more immediately melodically and rhythmically accessible than Bruce's.
They also sound thankfully not like Led Zep at all and I'm not surprised that the Purple guys were always fond of them.
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The very first time I ever read the name Felix Pappalardi was when I bought the album Little wheel spin and spin, by Buffy Saint-Marie in -66. F P had arranged and was conducting the instrumental ensemble on one of the songs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShYrfnMMuW4
Really nice tune, I thought by then. Still do.
Next time I saw the name was in quite other circumstances. Cream. Disraeli gears. Strange brew. He wrote that song with his wife Gail Collins, and Clapton.
Those tunes are not worlds apart, but it was a different world anyhow, when Disreali geared. Right?
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You weren't there and there was a history of alcohol and domestic violence plus he wanted to leave her - mental note: Don't try to leave your significant other if there are guns lying around. File under tragic. We all know that - statistically speaking - your spouse is the most likely person to kill you in anger. Through all ages.
It's easy to say "that was murder!" if you just know the simple outward appearance facts; once you get closer though everything becomes a lot less clear. The determining circumstances for murder as opposed to manslaughter as opposed to lethal assault can sometimes only be split seconds.
Gail was his lifelong partner, contributed to Mountain's success (even Mountain fans admit to that) etc. I don't know whether she ever felt any deep remorse, but I wouldn't measure her just on what happened that fateful day.
I'm listening to a lot of Mountain albums right now (previously I only had a double CD compilation of theirs, now I've brought their first five albums in a budget box). It strikes me how good the production sound is, how varied they were and how similar Felix' voice is to Jack Bruce's or is it the other way around? :mrgreen: He sings a bit smoother than Bruce and his bass playing is more immediately melodically and rhythmically accessible than Bruce's.
They also sound thankfully not like Led Zep at all and I'm not surprised that the Purple guys were always fond of them.
She was charged with second degree murder, not manslaughter. The jury saw it differently, we have to accept that. But she didn't just accidentally shoot him. IMHO the only unknowable question is whether or not it was premeditated.
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The very first time I ever read the name Felix Pappalardi was when I bought the album Little wheel spin and spin, by Buffy Saint-Marie in -66. F P had arranged and was conducting the instrumental ensemble on one of the songs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShYrfnMMuW4
Really nice tune, I thought by then. Still do.
Next time I saw the name was in quite other circumstances. Cream. Disraeli gears. Strange brew. He wrote that song with his wife Gail Collins, and Clapton.
Those tunes are not worlds apart, but it was a different world anyhow, when Disreali geared. Right?
I never had any idea that Felix was behind that song. You learn something new every day.
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Yeah, filter sounds like it.
I have a faint recollection of being in the (now closed) Toronto Hard Rock Cafe in 2006 or so and seeing Felix' EB-1 immediately after the entrance to the right - that was actually when we met you guys, but Martina and I went there alone with the kids.
I've dug up an old email (2004) from Mark Discordia (yes, the Nintendo/Super Mario guy, he was/is also a diehard mountain fan) who sold the bass to me, I'm just citing the email and make no declarations to how much of its content is true or not. As I've said, the Felix connection played no role for me, the bass is structurally sound, has a great deep refin and sounds different to any regular mudbucker bass I have, my single coil banjo tuner EB-2 excepted:
"I am glad that you like it and I know it will have a nice new home. I got this bass along with his 1955 the one I sold to The Hard Rock Cafe his 55 is the one he used at Woodstock the one you have he really didn't use it that much so he had Gibson refin it in SG Cherry Red. I had to put most of it together cause when I got it , all the parts were in a box and the bass was in a case that just about fell apart. Anyway I guy in New York that knew Felix's father did some work at his father's house and he took the basses and some cash as payment for the work . This guy was going through a bad divorce and he and sent the basses over to his Mom's for safe keeping . I got word that he was selling , no his Mother was selling them that way there his wife couldn't get 1/2 of the money . Both basses had auction tags on them from Cristes East I told her to send everything along with the letters of authenticy. That's about it I sold the 55 for $20,000.00 and yours for $5,000.00 I was told that your bass was a 53 but without the ser # who's knows and at this point who's cares . take care and keep in touch Mark"
Great story! I was unaware that you had one of Felix's EB-1s. Way cool! Didn't Jack Bruce play one of them also during the short Cream Reunion?
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Great story! I was unaware that you had one of Felix's EB-1s. Way cool! Didn't Jack Bruce play one of them also during the short Cream Reunion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FGxH50WS7Q
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I never heard that Jack's RAH reunion EB-1 was preowned by Felix, was it?
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2005 was a while back. All I know is that there were a lot of rumors that Jack was playing Felix's bass. But then I heard even more rumors that the bass was actually Jack's own EB-1. But I don't know for sure what the accurate version of the story is. Personally, I lean toward the version of it being Jack's bass.
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As documented in the "Gibson Bass Book" I had heard that Felix's bass was stolen & he had Gibson produce the reissue in 1969. That being said, (unless his bass was returned) he had at least three 50's EBs.
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2005 was a while back. All I know is that there were a lot of rumors that Jack was playing Felix's bass. But then I heard even more rumors that the bass was actually Jack's own EB-1. But I don't know for sure what the accurate version of the story is. Personally, I lean toward the version of it being Jack's bass.
The version I heard was that Jack wanted to return to his EB-3 for the reunion gigs, but it didn't do anything for him anymore. Decades of playing quality German instruments with a, uhum, slight Spector influence had spoiled him. THEN someone (I believe a bass tech) gave him an EB-1 "to try out" and he fell in love with it. I never heard anything about the origin of that particular EB-1. But Jack must have certainly known that it was a bass very much identified with Felix P.
I like to listen to him no matter what bass he plays. With that Warwick Thumb - butt-ugly as it was - he very much created his own sound as well and perhaps his bass playing was even more impressive on a fretless, (not so infrequent) bum notes and all. (Admittedly, there was a time when I did not much like it, but my tastes have changed.)
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The version I heard was that Jack wanted to return to his EB-3 for the reunion gigs, but it didn't do anything for him anymore. Decades of playing quality German instruments with a, uhum, slight Spector influence had spoiled him. THEN someone (I believe a bass tech) gave him an EB-1 "to try out" and he fell in love with it. I never heard anything about the origin of that particular EB-1. But Jack must have certainly known that it was a bass very much identified with Felix P.
I like to listen to him no matter what bass he plays. With that Warwick Thumb - butt-ugly as it was - he very much created his own sound as well and perhaps his bass playing was even more impressive on a fretless, (not so infrequent) bum notes and all. (Admittedly, there was a time when I did not much like it, but my tastes have changed.)
That's also the version of the story I heard. Some of the details are kind of vague to me now. I do remember Jack saying in an interview that by 2005 the EB-3 felt like a toy to him, though.
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Jack discussed his EB-1 in several interviews. He never mentioned or even suggested any connection to Felix. He only mentioned that it had been refretted.
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Jack had that EB well before the reunion gigs (52:50 in):
He talks about the bass after the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUvLX5UPRlc
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It's amazing how the older Gary Moore would team up with Jack Bruce of all bassists - the same Gary Moore that had driven legions of bassists such as Glenn Hughes, Neil Murray, Craig Gruber and Bob Daisley mad by demanding they play nothing but the root note in eights on his mid-80ies albums. Better late than never, I guess. ;D
The "I didn't want to sound distorted, the equipment then gave me no choice"-comment I have heard in the exact same way from Roger Glover who has disowned his classic Ric sound on Machine Head, Made in Japan and Who Do We Think We Are as "way too distorted for my taste, I always wanted a clean sound like American bassists seemed to have, but with Deep Purple's stage volumes that just wasn't possible back then".
And Frank Zappa's penchant for the sound of a distorted short scale Gibson bass goes a long way in explaining why he also liked Jim Lea's playing and sound.
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It's amazing how the older Gary Moore would team up with Jack Bruce of all bassists - the same Gary Moore that had driven legions of bassists such as Glenn Hughes, Neil Murray, Craig Gruber and Bob Daisley mad by demanding they play nothing but the root note in eights on his mid-80ies albums. Better late than never, I guess. ;D
The "I didn't want to sound distorted, the equipment then gave me no choice"-comment I have heard in the exact same way from Roger Glover who has disowned his classic Ric sound on Machine Head, Made in Japan and Who Do We Think We Are as "way too distorted for my taste, I always wanted a clean sound like American bassists seemed to have, but with Deep Purple's stage volumes that just wasn't possible back then".
And Frank Zappa's penchant for the sound of a distorted short scale Gibson bass goes a long way in explaining why he also liked Jim Lea's playing and sound.
But it could have been Jack Bruce who extended the invitation to play to Moore. I posted something here some time ago referring to an interview in which Jack Bruce was asked which guitarist he preferred playing with. He said Gary Moore. His reason being that it was probably because he was Scottish and Moore Irish. But I don't know the specific details of how they got together.
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I think Moore and Bruce first met when they both guested on Cozy Powell's debut solo album in 1979.
(https://thevinylfrontierbarry.com/ekmps/shops/ae5de3/images/cozy-powell-over-the-top-lp-vg-g-64566-p.png)
Stuff like this here (featuring Powell, Bruce, Moore and Airey):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6SH901lbMc
That track always owed more than a bit to Cobham's Quadrant 4 (with Bolin, Hammer and Sklar) in my ears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unxshBHfVsY
Airey and Moore had a mutual high octane jazz rock history from Colosseum II:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtjDigJ_QQI
And Airey and Powell had played together in Cozy Powell's Hammer (and of course later on in Rainbow):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGghvgGZeSs
All four of them, while earning money with more accessible music, had therefore dabbled with jazz rock: Airey & Moore in Colosseum II, Powell with The Jeff Beck Group and Bruce on several of his more jazzy solo outings. For someone who had played with Ginger Baker, Bruce's fondness for Cozy Powell - a heavy-handed drummer - might seem strange, but he did hold him in high regard. I remember an interview where he lauded him for not joining Led Zep after he allegedly got the offer following Bonzo's death.
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Jack had that EB well before the reunion gigs (52:50 in):
He talks about the bass after the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUvLX5UPRlc
Thanks, Daniel, I hadn't even heard of this video before, I'll have to go back and watch the whole thing.
IIRC he already had the EB-1 when he was playing with Ringo's All Star Band in '97. Who knows, he may have owned it for years before that.
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I visit this forum several time per week, and mostly just soak up the anecdotes.
Lots of cool stuff here, and I will be watching that Jack Bruce video as well.
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I think Moore and Bruce first met when they both guested on Cozy Powell's debut solo album in 1979.
(https://thevinylfrontierbarry.com/ekmps/shops/ae5de3/images/cozy-powell-over-the-top-lp-vg-g-64566-p.png)
Stuff like this here (featuring Powell, Bruce, Moore and Airey):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6SH901lbMc
That track always owed more than a bit to Cobham's Quadrant 4 (with Bolin, Hammer and Sklar) in my ears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unxshBHfVsY
Airey and Moore had a mutual high octane jazz rock history from Colosseum II:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtjDigJ_QQI
And Airey and Powell had played together in Cozy Powell's Hammer (and of course later on in Rainbow):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGghvgGZeSs
All four of them, while earning money with more accessible music, had therefore dabbled with jazz rock: Airey & Moore in Colosseum II, Powell with The Jeff Beck Group and Bruce on several of his more jazzy solo outings. For someone who had played with Ginger Baker, Bruce's fondness for Cozy Powell - a heavy-handed drummer - might seem strange, but he did hold him in high regard. I remember an interview where he lauded him for not joining Led Zep after he allegedly got the offer following Bonzo's death.
I had posted some Cozy Powell stuff here a year or two ago. But I had no idea that's where Jack and Gary met. I really like "Killer."
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I've always liked BBM. It's rather hard to believe that Ginger Baker is the only survivor of that group. He was the oldest & lived a rough life...……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6EXnI3FIYU
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"IIRC he already had the EB-1 when he was playing with Ringo's All Star Band in '97. Who knows, he may have owned it for years before that."
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/c5fb2c0949d227a39e703565f7d4c16b/tenor.gif?itemid=4128784)
I now remember reading that Bruce actually got his EB-1 as a nod towards Macca when he joined Ringo's troop. Playing a real Höfner was out of the question for him, but the EB-1 suited the bill and was kind of a meeting of minds between the Jack- and Paul-instruments legacy worlds.
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/cream-guitarist-jack-bruce-playing-with-ringo-starr-picture-id539599068)
And outside of Gibson nerd forums such as the esteemed one here, that is what people actually think when they see an EB-1, "Oh, that's a Beatle bass!", I just had that happen again at our rehearsal on Tuesday, when our (comparatively new) drummer pointed at the EB-1 I was playing. I then always do my little speech about Felix Pappalardi and Mountain, but let me tell you: Macca is far more famous!
Re BBM: The critics never left them a chance, but I liked their solitary album though I'm not a great fan in general of either Gary Moore's voice or his (no doubt skillful and recognizable) ultra-intense guitar playing.
For those of you that actually like Gary's blues phase, there is a heartfelt and well-executed tribute album (and let's face it: most tribuite albums are dodgy) under the guidance of Bob Daisley which has really excellent renditions which in many cases I even like better than Moore's originals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAtFF8FqW64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq5uXKTOKAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNpA00SA58
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That explanation of why he got the EB-1 makes sense.
I noticed that someone in the comments below the video put the starting time for White Room (14:35) so I listened. He plays his Warwick Thumb on that. When you listen in the trio setting, Jack always sounds remarkably like Jack. There are little touches where you know the EB-1 can't go but few people would notice. Soloed, of course there's a big difference.
Incidentally, Cream was one of the answers in the Jeopardy Team Championship playoff match today.
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When that unfortunate gun accident happened, Felix had a couple of EBs, his "wife" (referring to the bass, not Gail), now gathering French fries grease in a Hard Rock Cafe (Toronto?), the one I have (his "second" or "spare") and at least one other - which might have been an RI. They went on sale from his estate - with a lifelong Pappalardi/Mountain fan, who knew him personally, taking care of the sales. I didn't buy it at the time for the Pappalardi connection (I knew very little outside of Mississippi Queen at that time), but because it was affordable since it was a refin (allegedly done by Gibson), I think it cost me US-$ 5.000 or something. It either had no serial number to begin with or that was overpainted (as was the f hole), but it's a fifties model alright, banjo tuners ((which are a drag), single coil pup etc.
I never use that coil tap thingy, but, yeah, it might be one, doesn't cut power, but midrange frequencies, the sound becomes scooped. The only thing I have changed on it is replace the bar bridge against that Schaller monstrosity that Jack Bruce had on his RAH reunion shwos EB too.
This Vintage Guitar article from 2016 (https://www.vintageguitar.com/27046/keith-richards-1963-gibson-sg-custom/) has a subsection on Kip Elder, who maintains guitars for the Hard Rock Cafe in Orlando. One paragraph caught my eye:
Other cool instruments to which Elder has lent his expertise include Mountain bassist/producer Felix Pappalardi’s Gibson EB-1. “The headstock had been broken numerous times and repainted trying to hide the damage,” Elder said.
Could this be yours, or could it be the one in Toronto?
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If mine has a headstock repair, then it is the best and most invisible headstock repair I've ever (not) seen.
For some reason, mine wasn't Felix' favourite, he didn't play it live much which might explain why it was in such excellent shape - it sure didn't look like a "gigging bass" at all.
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I think an Epi Newport qualifies as an EB-0 for purposes of this thread.
The video was linked in a Colin Moulding interview article (https://www.musicradar.com/news/xtcs-colin-moulding-even-if-your-bass-playing-doesnt-stand-out-but-you-serve-the-song-well-youve-done-your-job) from last year that I just saw today.
From that article:
“Then again, I’ve also got an Epiphone Newport, which I bought in 1979, not because I like the sound of it but because I like the look of it! It has a light body, a narrow neck and it’s easy to play. If you totted up all the hours I’ve played bass, the Newport would far outweigh all the others.”
https://youtu.be/gXNhL4J_S00
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I mixed the support band when they played in Wellington in 1980 . He played the Newport but in noticed it went through a Urei parametric e.q. before the signal hit the SVT.Sounded BIG.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9QgHd1kV4Q
Was this one already mentioned? The bass is nicely audible and I like the laid back playing. One of my favourtie Cat Power songs. Wait for the up tempo part in the end :D
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Jack Bruce with Buddy Guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k54r_ANt8o
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John Waite with an EB-3 (vocals are live, the rest of the instruments are not, but they do sound different from the record)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw2BEfbYGw4
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Black Oak Arkansas 1974. Pat "Dirty" Daugherty on a probably at that time a pretty much new EB-3. Skip to 1:57 if you can't stand Jim Dandys guttering holws and twiddling on the washboard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niinwPKcnr4
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John Waite with an EB-3 (vocals are live, the rest of the instruments are not, but they do sound different from the record)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw2BEfbYGw4
It does sound like they dropped a little of the high range stuff.
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Good to see the bass whisperer, Ed Friedland back on You Tube. Here we see Ed discovering "the sound of a city block falling" while he plays a 53' EB at the Guitar shop in Brooklyn. EB action starts after 9:10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9ALdUdcuKs
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But that's not a mudbucker Mr. Friedland!
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Nice! Since he obviously likes it, I'll forgive him for not knowing it's a single coil.
I met him at Summer NAMM in Austin in 2006, we talked for a bit. Reading his old columns in BP, he came off as kind of stuffy, but he wasn't like that at all in person.
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Really wasn't expecting the extreme closeup of what looks like an EB2D (2:57; maybe a few other places). Remember the song being a hit but don't think I've ever seen the vid before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L41MhFPU9s
Ah, yeah a longer more zoomed out shot starts at 3:50; headstock is in shadow.
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Trevor Bolder on Top Of The Pops with David Bowie.
A little mistake at 2:58 where Trevor wants to go into the chorus too early
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmGQYCuc6M
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Trevor Bolder on Top Of The Pops with David Bowie.
A little mistake at 2:58 where Trevor wants to go into the chorus too early
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmGQYCuc6M
wow my new favourite version of one of my favourite Bowie songs, love hearing the bass high in the mix and the harp is fab too
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Trevor Bolder on Top Of The Pops with David Bowie.
A little mistake at 2:58 where Trevor wants to go into the chorus too early
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmGQYCuc6M
I'd LOVE it if that were the biggest mistake I made in any number I played!
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Trevor Bolder on Top Of The Pops with David Bowie.
A little mistake at 2:58 where Trevor wants to go into the chorus too early
Funny, he does that on the album version as well :)
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I had to look it up. He doesn't.
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I had to look it up. He doesn't.
Maybe not in the same place, but either he goes into the chorus before Ronson some place in that song, or all my Aladdin copies are mixed wrong 8)
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amptech is right. Maybe not the same place, I'll have to go back and listen. But as soon as I read that, I was thinking the same thing.
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I think I know what you guys mean.
There's a bit of a messy part at 0:37 when they go into the chorus for the first time. There it sounds like Bowie missed the cue ;D
And they decided to just leave it, warts and all. Great!
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Wait, wait: TotP was not lipsyched?
I see the guitars and vocal mic are actually got cables plugged into them (they sometimes got real lazy about that, especially later in the 80s), but no mics on the drums and I see no PA (where's that mic cable goin?)... amp lights don't appear to be on (studio lights can make that hard to see, but there were a few close passing shots). Vocals are very different in terms of treatment and cadence of delivery. Could just be actual live singing over instrumental backing track (possibly not same take as album version to throw people off - seriously, it was not rocket science but th REC COs thought that way). Or totally live, but I'm a skeptic.
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Wait, wait: TotP was not lipsyched?
I see the guitars and vocal mic are actually got cables plugged into them (they sometimes got real lazy about that, especially later in the 80s), but no mics on the drums and I see no PA (where's that mic cable goin?)... amp lights don't appear to be on (studio lights can make that hard to see, but there were a few close passing shots). Vocals are very different in terms of treatment and cadence of delivery. Could just be actual live singing over instrumental backing track (possibly not same take as album version to throw people off - seriously, it was not rocket science but th REC COs thought that way). Or totally live, but I'm a skeptic.
I do think it is some sort of a live recording.
The drums do have a mic at the kick and I see an overhead mic. But I don't see a mic near the snare though.
Sometimes they had the band record a live instrumental version especially for the tv performance. And then have the lead vocal done live at the actual broadcasted version. I remember seeing a Thin Lizzy performance on TotP with a similar set up. Can't remember which song... :-[
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I'm pretty sure they settled for a bass drum mic and one overhang just like that. They could've used a second overhang if it wass needed but he never plays the toms anyway so why bother?
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Sometimes they had the band record a live instrumental version especially for the tv performance. And then have the lead vocal done live at the actual broadcasted version. I remember seeing a Thin Lizzy performance on TotP with a similar set up. Can't remember which song... :-[
It's my understanding that this was pretty standard practice in the 60s/70s. This is a good example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuwU3K6U1_w
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Sometimes they had the band record a live instrumental version especially for the tv performance. And then have the lead vocal done live at the actual broadcasted version. I remember seeing a Thin Lizzy performance on TotP with a similar set up. Can't remember which song... :-[
There's a couple of AC/DC vids from the early 70's done like that, sounds like the album versions except live vocals.
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Yeah - that's what I meant - pre-rec music and only live vox.
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New York Junk, a year ago. Cynthia Ross (B-Girls) and her Melody Maker bass. You can skip the long winded three minute introduction.
https://youtu.be/ufOqbSxnfus
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Colin Moulding, Epi Newport.
https://youtu.be/K0sCGSionl0
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It's my understanding that this was pretty standard practice in the 60s/70s. This is a good example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuwU3K6U1_w
There was a legal obligation when playing on Top of the Pops that you could not use the studio recording from the official recording, you had to record a studio version just for TOTP (which makes these recordings collectible because they sometimes sound quite a bit different to and/or better than the previously recorded official tracks). I believe it had something to do with musicians' union rules for TV work which were back then very restrictive.
It wasn't just confined too TOTP: When Jethro Tull did Too Old To Rock'n'Roll, Too Young To Die for British TV in the late 70ies, the whole album was (had to be) rerecorded (within a couple of days or so).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFYWy-Pwymc
Tull actually liked that later, livelier studio version (they are not playing live in the TV show as you can tell, inter alia, by the simultaneous singing and flute playing of Ian Anderson) better and it is what you hear today when you hear the 40th Anniversary remix of TOTRNR, TYTD. The masters of the original TOTRNR, TYTD only exist in part any more, they were accidentally wiped some years ago.
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Local area cover band, I've never seen them live but noticed the Epi Newport in their videos.
https://youtu.be/CuwJrgYdNQM
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The wax figure holds an EB-2 after about 3:00.
RIP Ric Ocasek.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuZA6qiJVfU
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Ric Ocasek certainly gave the world some music which is still relevant and admirable even today. A unique figure in music.
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A press release from the family earlier today said that he had been resting comfortably after surgery but didn't say what kind of surgery.
Now this, from a CNN article: Ocasek died of hypertensive and atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, according to a press release Monday from the medical examiner's office. There was a contributing condition of pulmonary emphysema. The manner of death was natural.
RIP Ric.
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RIP Ric
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A suggested You Tube video which came across my path. I probably wouldn't have paid much attention if it hadn't been for the lead singer and the unexpected Gibson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iv2c1tcOYk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4jqUvBpgm0
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A suggested You Tube video which came across my path. I probably wouldn't have paid much attention if it hadn't been for the lead singer and the unexpected Gibson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iv2c1tcOYk
What a weird mashup of styles. 21st century diva pop meets modern hard rock. Two styles I can't stand. :puke:
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What a weird mashup of styles. 21st century diva pop meets modern hard rock. Two styles I can't stand. :puke:
I'm not too familiar with it. I keep getting video suggestions like that on You Tube. It's mostly Scandinavian bands, but a few from Western Europe, too. It isn't something which interests me, either. I do, however, sometimes like to listen to a female-fronted band such as Garbage, but they don't come out with new music often enough.
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https://youtu.be/pS5qogyTJag
Not for the music per sé
😉
It may be Greco. I'm not sure.
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https://youtu.be/pS5qogyTJag
Not for the music per sé
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A disclaimer that I should have probably also put on the video I posted. It's necessary to really stretch the boundaries in looking for EB-0/EB-3 & SG variant basses.
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Not entirely my cup of tea, but the lady sure can play the bass!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiRmx194HfM
EDIT: The EB-3L is a Greco by the way. And it's bolt on.
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A cute chick playing bass and doing it well, what's not to like?
She's from Poland. I invaded bought her first album.
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A cute chick playing bass and doing it well, what's not to like?
She's from Poland. I invaded bought her first album.
Great groove! I feel like I've seen her here before. Perhaps Uwe has posted something in the past?
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Yeah, I did, when she played an instrumental of Eric C's Tears in Heaven (an unlikely choice for an instrumental cover given its emotional lyrics).
I understand the gripes people have with bass playing like that - for all (or perhaps because of) its virtuosity, she sounds like a lot of other people playing equally virtuoso. I guess that has to do with the fact that people like her are over-educated bass-wise: In an effort to play as many styles as possible as well as possible, they end up sounding like they all went to the same bass school. A lot of people relish sounding like Marcus Miller.
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Yeah, I did, when she played an instrumental of Eric C's Tears in Heaven (an unlikely choice for an instrumental cover given its emotional lyrics).
I understand the gripes people have with bass playing like that - for all (or perhaps because of) its virtuosity, she sounds like a lot of other people playing equally virtuoso. I guess that has to do with the fact that people like her are over-educated bass-wise: In an effort to play as many styles as possible as well as possible, they end up sounding like they all went to the same bass school. A lot of people relish sounding like Marcus Miller.
You know, I agree 100%. I've been thinking the same thing. "they all went to the same bass school" They certainly blow ME away as players, but it ends up being a lot of the same arpeggios and Jaco-isms. I think most of us here grew up on "stylists". Players you could identify just by hearing.
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My style was more defined by the things I could not do than the ones I could do! I realized quickly that I had to be different because I wasn't good enough to be like all the others. When you have your own little niche, comparisons are few and far between. :mrgreen:
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https://youtu.be/pS5qogyTJag
Not for the music per sé
😉
It may be Greco. I'm not sure.
I have the exact same Gneco model, it's a 32" scale
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No one here owning up to the striped pyjamas trousers then?
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Not sure where this goes. But it is a Gibson EB Bass (2013 version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHrRPLHRgDA
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Speaking of the newer EB, it's nowhere to be seen on the Gibson site now. I guess the new management decided to throw the baby out with the rest of Henry's bath water. Wonder if there's a new long scale bass with the DeCola pickups in the works?
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Speaking of the newer EB, it's nowhere to be seen on the Gibson site now. I guess the new management decided to throw the baby out with the rest of Henry's bath water. Wonder if there's a new long scale bass with the DeCola pickups in the works?
Only two months until NAMM. Maybe we'll see the US Epi Rivoli reissue that Chris mentioned. Don't hold your breath expecting anything, though.
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Not sure where this goes.
Bloody easy. Menstruation rites in the moonlight. Haven't you heard? :popcorn:
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Do we have a thread for that?
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You mean a real period piece? Not sure whether a thread would suffice, wouldn't we need pads at least?
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Flash thought: These days, most of us could probably contribute more to a hot flush thread than to a period one. Times do change.
BTW: What happened to that great American metal band Manopause?
(https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/media.media.1e56e652-6331-40e7-aa51-f65529d524e2.original1024.jpg)
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(with mounting guilt) Once again humor here has plunged puerile depths. We're the fracking community of ill taste.
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Another EB Bass sighting
(Not sure if the link works as a video)
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/03/784151410/sheryl-crow-tiny-desk-concert?t=1575440256137&fbclid=IwAR0AnyjhPfh7B_IIAUGbqHoHmNN2FunVjRQYVheaw0uvsbHc9yBsBH18ALI&t=1575460476334&jwsource=cl
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I still think they are plain Jane visually (at best, verging on perineum ugly), but they were fine-sounding bases, pity they went nowhere.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqxwXla3-Bw
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Alas, what you hear is a Glenn Cornick's J with LaBella flats.
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Alas, what you hear is a Glenn Cornick's J with LaBella flats.
I'm not surprised. An EB-3 just doesn't sound like that.
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Certainly not its E-string, it don't! :mrgreen:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d48rcNlcAQM
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^^^
Can't hear much bass but a great performance.
Interesting history of the venue in the YT description.
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There's a lot of live streams online since many concerts are no longer open to a live audience due to the coronavirus restrictions.
I saw a Rockpalast live stream on Facebook from yesterday that features Laura Cox in an empty venue.
Can't find that one on YouTube
But here's a video from a few days ago
Bass player uses a LP Jr DC bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDqpsijfWTA
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I just discovered Laura Cox a month or so ago. That name doesn't look French, but she's definitely French. That bass looks just like mine. But I came really close to getting ebony.
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She should do a South American tour with Samantha Fish. They could bill it as Fish y Cox. :rimshot:
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EB with Little Richard (RIP)
https://youtu.be/LVIttmFAzek
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RIP Richard
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LP Jr Tribute DC bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uPlGj2nKxA
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That LP JR DC sounds nice!
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That LP DR DC sounds nice!
I've read a number of comments from people noting that the bass is really good at getting a rock sound. I wish they hadn't made some of the changes from the original, but it is, after all, a tribute bass. I liked mine enough, though, to order a second one a few days ago (this time at full price.)
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A different performance of Saturday In The Park from 1973. You can hear the bass better in this one.
https://youtu.be/_Mnw9uiYggU
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Is this the right thread for this? Naomi Yang played this in Galaxie 500.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av2ApbIdNSI
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Dutchmen ... no, Deeetroit boyz, with an EB-3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t40INnb6DnY
Up until now I had really always thought Frijid Pink were a Dutch blues rock band, the spelling of their name somehow got me on the wrong track ... Cracker of a version of House of the Rising Sun that is.
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Up until now I had really always thought Frijid Pink were a Dutch blues rock band, the spelling of their name somehow got me on the wrong track ... Cracker of a version of House of the Rising Sun that is.
Shocking Blue, Frijid Pink, Deep Purple...no difference. :mrgreen:
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You forgot - inter alia - Blue Cheer, Black Sabbath, Blue Öyster Cult, Pink Floyd ... not to forget Germany's own Lilac Angels!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkDH4ZJ9b6I
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Legendary Pink Dots
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Moody Blues, Blue Oyster Cult, Silver Bullet Band, Black Sabbath, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The White Stripes, Whitesnake, Cream, King Crimson, The Black Keys, The Black Crowes, Golden Earring, Great White, Blues Traveler, Black Flag, Maroon 5, Simply Red, The Blue Magoos, Savoy Brown, Green Day, Quicksilver Messenger Service, White Zombie, Average White Band, Rainbow
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Living Colour!!! :mrgreen:
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Slothead fun.
Take me back to 1973!
People dancing, people laughing
A man selling ice cream...
No lockdowns, no quarantines.
https://youtu.be/Cab_XlnJZjc
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Chicago's music blows me away every time I hear them. Wonderful musicians!
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Man, that was great. I would go back to 1973 in a heartbeat!
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Awesome! What a band. :thumbsup:
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Slothead fun.
Take me back to 1973!
People dancing, people laughing
A man selling ice cream...
No lockdowns, no quarantines.
https://youtu.be/Cab_XlnJZjc
Dave delves deep into my past! It must have been 1974, perhaps 1975, I got my first kiss from someone I was not related to while that song was playing at the AERWA (an American club/open-air movie theater in Kinshasa, I have long forgotten what the acronym stood for, American something I guess ...). "Kendall from Nebraska" was the female culprit. Of note, she was also the first person I met who had contact lenses! She broke my heart nicely, if there is such a thing. 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pwgswchPDo
PS: You can find anything on the internet these days ...
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Chicago's music must have an effect on people. I still remember clearly the time when my cover band had had a particularly good night. My girlfriend at the time later expressed her appreciation and said it was the Chicago song we played that really got her ignited. I've never experienced such aggression (but in a good way) from a female from that day to this. I don't know what it was about the Allman Brothers, though, that caused her to act just the opposite. If any Alllman Brothers music was involved, however, just forget it. We didn't do any of their songs, but she didn't like their music or even the band itself at all. I ended up missing two Allman Brothers concerts because of her. The details of missing those concerts, which I desperately wanted to see is etched in my brain more than anything when I revisit all these memories. My girlfriend or the Allman Brothers. Now that I look back at it I feel I made the wrong choice. You can always get a new girlfriend. Maybe even someone you'll like more. But there will never be another Allman Brothers band.
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There is always a new generation ...
https://youtu.be/okdcPis_byM
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There is always a new generation ...
https://youtu.be/okdcPis_byM
I had heard about them. That sounds even better than I expected.
Back to the point I was making, though, if the girlfriend I spoke of had been a redhead, that would have been a different matter. The sacrifice made in missing the Allman Brothers might not have seemed so great.
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Steve Fossen of Heart with an EB2...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShfwBzSLrNs&ab_channel=OutOfOrder
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63 åages down I don't know if this has been presented yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_xLxOE_-f0
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It's always good to have a bit of Slade here!
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Herr Daisley and his beloved EB-3 more recently ...
https://youtu.be/ghVQw3HRSWQ
... and on the epochal Ozzy track ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRjfL-UC1EY
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Icons need to rehearse too, you know ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hIKrRrprvs
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An immaculately dressed Dave Hill and his friends doing John Sebastian back when no one could touch them ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6P6uBlVC50
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Steve a-blitzin' wiff an EB-3 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqketmsRz1E
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Trevor giving David slothead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmVVyhpuFRc
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Jimmy bridging the sighs with his EB ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tLsFsGxLmE
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Stu Cook in an obvious non live appearance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej5n2oieXYo&feature=emb_title
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More EB-3 Soup:
https://youtu.be/9hw1SKn5eFM
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Icons need to rehearse too, you know ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hIKrRrprvs
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The Liverbirds...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-plCIME4lLU
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Is this the right thread for this? Naomi Yang played this in Galaxie 500.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av2ApbIdNSI
Nice! I just saw Luna come through on tour last year (their second guitarist is a local guy). So many older dudes in OG and now too tight Galaxie 500 shirts.
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SG-Z with the Stereophonics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrawRTxvxjE
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Nice! I just saw Luna come through on tour last year (their second guitarist is a local guy). So many older dudes in OG and now too tight Galaxie 500 shirts.
Cool! Somehow I never got notified about your reply here. I love Luna. Seen them tons of times.
Cool Luna story. First time I saw them was in 1996, opening for Lou Reed. At the end of their set, Lou came out and did Ride Into the Sun with them, then Luna left the stage and Lou's band came on.
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Cool! Somehow I never got notified about your reply here. I love Luna. Seen them tons of times.
Cool Luna story. First time I saw them was in 1996, opening for Lou Reed. At the end of their set, Lou came out and did Ride Into the Sun with them, then Luna left the stage and Lou's band came on.
Ha! I'd wager that's how my buddy got into them; at a Lou Reed show. There was a period only a few years ago where Lou was touring a lot and he'd go every time.
The only time I saw Lou live, the band was amazing, but they were on this tip where every. single. song. had the 2 minute big rock crescendo ending, and after the nth time in a row it was a bit weird.
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Not very many good shots of it, but obviously a 70s/series II EB3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMjdlDbwEhE
Oh, there's a good long shot of it at 14:12 or so.
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Jance Garfat (who died in a motorcycle accident in 2006) played his EB-3 (I believe it was even an EB-3L) for a long Time with Hook (which I loved and love),
https://youtu.be/8dn2MrEACLU
by the time they turned disco/country-pop/white soul he played an Ovation Magnum.
He joined Dr Hook for their second album "Sloppy Seconds" (staying with them until they dissolved in the late 80ies) and his click bass sound was all over it - the first time I actually registered a bass as something audible (Nancy Sinatra's These Boot Are Made For Walking excepted), it was this track here (and back then - I was 12 - I actually thought it was "drums" when a friend playing the record to me asked me what instrument that was playing the bass intro lick :-[ ):
https://youtu.be/CQFqZVFOW8w
I still tend to play this lick to this day when entering a major chord :mrgreen: - though I'm these days not sure whether Ray Sawyer (the person most people perceive to be "Dr Hook" and the main vocalist when he was in fact neither) rather than Jance might have played it on the album version too. Here Jance plays acoustic guitar to it for some inexplicable reason - and I've never heard/seen Sawyer play bass before though he obviously seems to know what he's doing:
https://youtu.be/vCDJj3mbgSQ
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Never ceases to amaze me the things you are or are not into; this one I wouldna have guessed. I dunno how you ever thought that was drums tho.
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Rinus Gerritsen playing a 1960 Gibson EB-0 in a 1975 promo video for the Golden Earring "To the Hilt" album. I don't know what he was actually playing on the album, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't this bass, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2ZCSxC8Qv8
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He brought it along at the book release party in 2016
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He used to have a site where he talked about what basses he played on each album. I don't remember him mentioning that bass. I was surprised to see it in that promo video. It looks cool, though. BTW, I just ran across this interview. But since it's in Dutch, I can't understand most of it--just bits and pieces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyddKzHLXRI
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He brought it along at the book release party in 2016
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Pretty good photo for a caption contest.
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Sure is!
"Rob is pointing out the ding neat the strap button."
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He used to have a site where he talked about what basses he played on each album. I don't remember him mentioning that bass. I was surprised to see it in that promo video. It looks cool, though. BTW, I just ran across this interview. But since it's in Dutch, I can't understand most of it--just bits and pieces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyddKzHLXRI
Very nice. Enjoyed watching that. Rinus can talk for hours. He is full of rock n roll anecdotes. But always in a very down to earth humoristic way.
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Very nice. Enjoyed watching that. Rinus can talk for hours. He is full of rock n roll anecdotes. But always in a very down to earth humoristic way.
Yes, definitely an enjoyable interview even though there was much I couldn't understand. I'm sure I could get more out of it if I watched it a second time.
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Mr. Basvarken: cool vid of Stereophonics. I saw 'm live a lot, but never with this bass. I always liked Richard Jones' playing.
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Never ceases to amaze me the things you are or are not into; this one I wouldna have guessed. I dunno how you ever thought that was drums tho.
Je suis eclectic, Jake, didn't you know that?! Or as my wife puts it "wantonly indiscriminate to shameless in your mishmash of musical tastes". Her pet theory is that I only do it to escape any kind of compartmentalization and to confound people. :mrgreen: I certainly bring all Amazon algorithms to their limits. They never know what to make of me. To this day, I buy some CDs just because I like the "cover" art.
There is not a single song/form of music I used to like as a 14-year-old that I don't still like today. Over the decades, other music has entered my vast taste vaults as well, but never via displacing music I already liked before. It just gets more and more - diverse and in quantity.
About 20% of my CD purchases (I disdain other forms of media, for quality of sound CDs are still the benchmark among widely available media forms) cover bands I don't even like (knowing that before the purchase), I buy them for educational and analytical purposes. Another 30% are sheer curiosity and knee jerk impulse buys.
I'm as much a music scientist and anthropologist as I am emotionally attached to some music. Listening to music can both be a cerebral exercise and an emotional experience for me. Some bands can even do both.
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Aussies. With an EB-3 and a backing vocalist.
https://youtu.be/t2B8KSDKcIM
Sometime in the future he would meet up with these two brothers here ...
https://youtu.be/biaGJ_4rEzE
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Some nice shots of Tiran Porter playing a slot-head EB3L in this... fairly certain that bits of this have been posted but not sure if whole show...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvBLZV1Rf1s&ab_channel=RedPlanetRock
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Je suis eclectic, Jake, didn't you know that?! Or as my wife puts it "wantonly indiscriminate to shameless in your mishmash of musical tastes". Her pet theory is that I only do it to escape any kind of compartmentalization and to confound people. :mrgreen: I certainly bring all Amazon algorithms to their limits. They never know what to make of me. To this day, I buy some CDs just because I like the "cover" art.
There is not a single song/form of music I used to like as a 14-year-old that I don't still like today. Over the decades, other music has entered my vast taste vaults as well, but never via displacing music I already liked before. It just gets more and more - diverse and in quantity.
About 20% of my CD purchases (I disdain other forms of media, for quality of sound CDs are still the benchmark among widely available media forms) cover bands I don't even like (knowing that before the purchase), I buy them for educational and analytical purposes. Another 30% are sheer curiosity and knee jerk impulse buys.
I'm as much a music scientist and anthropologist as I am emotionally attached to some music. Listening to music can both be a cerebral exercise and an emotional experience for me. Some bands can even do both.
Your eclecticism is one of the things I enjoy about you.
The algorithms all seem to think I am a woman, so I'm confusing them too. Frankly I don't think they're too smart; if they got a person pegged, then, well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4gdTKbLncU
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Shameless self-promotion, I used my '62 EB-3 for my band's new music video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-rDjhR1q2c&ab_channel=Hair
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Shameless self-promotion, I used my '62 EB-3 for my band's new music video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-rDjhR1q2c&ab_channel=Hair
Very cool.
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RIP Gerry Marsden
https://youtu.be/nEW98670LAQ
https://youtu.be/fdosTEGj210
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When Smokie ruled the German charts circa. 1976-80 with their "12-string acoustic guitar, trademark harmonies & copious strings"-recipe courtesy of Chinn/Chapman their bassist Terry Uttley had the charming habit (I can relate!) of never doing two TV performances in a row with the same bass - and Smokie DID A LOT OF TV SHOWS. It was therefore only a question of time until - forensic evidence of him playing a TBird has already been provided - we would catch him as a repeat Gibson offender with an EB-3:
https://youtu.be/PS2hao2EciU
For some reason, I alway liked that particular track and especially the little story it tells, a companion to this here:
https://youtu.be/vozWowV5z2U
Fast forward a couple of years and a general de-perming of hairstyles ...
https://youtu.be/hM2OVVuuvUI
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Haha. I thought you guys were talking about Smokey Robinson.
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He actually sued Smokey as they had originally monikered themselves so they had to change their name to "Smokie" .
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Staffan posted a video featuring Terry Slater in the Thunderbird video thread.
Here's Terry showing the EB-3 which he used on all of the recordings he did with the Everly Bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOVCBQHi850
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Some Cortland NY Italian kid und his buddies we never much heard of again ...
https://youtu.be/rHgcFXcY_yo
I recognize Gary Driscoll too, he was a fine drummer. All the Elf guys were fine musicians, just not what Blackmore had in mind.
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Some Cortland NY Italian kid und his buddies we never much heard of again ...
https://youtu.be/rHgcFXcY_yo
I recognize Gary Driscoll too, he was a fine drummer. All the Elf guys were fine musicians, just not what Blackmore had in mind.
I m saw them. They were the fill band (between other acts) and backup for a Gene Pitney tour. Ronnie played a cherry color EB3.
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You must be very old then.
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You must be very old then.
Well yeah I was 16 in 1965 go figure >)
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Some Cortland NY Italian kid und his buddies we never much heard of again ...
https://youtu.be/rHgcFXcY_yo
I recognize Gary Driscoll too, he was a fine drummer. All the Elf guys were fine musicians, just not what Blackmore had in mind.
I wonder what he thought of Black Sabbath.
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Ritchie or Ronnie?
Blackmore was often condescending about other hard rock acts (he didn't like Led Zeppelin except for Bonham's drumming), but I'm not aware he ever said something about Sabbath one way or another. He once commented that he liked the Scorpions, "because they are more melodic than other bands", but then he is a hopeless germanophile and even has a subscription for SKY's German soccer league games in his Long Island home.
Ronnie in any case started his rehearsals for Black Sabbath rather early. Being prepared is everything. 8)
https://youtu.be/EqM6LXq0QF8
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Sounds like Black Sabbath to me.
The guitars, drums. The way he sings with the compression in his voice.
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Oh come on, Rob, cleanse your ears! :mrgreen: Driscoll (never a bad drummer as all the Elf albums and the Rainbow debut attest) does a good job emulating Bill Ward (though he is busier and also plays some things Ward wouldn't have the chops for), but David Feinstein's guitar is nothing like Tony Iommi. You can hear that he is not downtuned, he plays different voicings and his solos are much too agile (for Iommi's digit handicap) as well as ahead of the beat. The recording is proof how much Iommi's accident-related fretting hand limitations shaped his and Sabbath's idiosyncratic style. Ronnie sounds younger than on even the Rainbow debut too. All those stadium gigs opening for DP which would also shape his voice were yet to come.
Will none of you Sabbath souls support me on this?!
It's a good cover though. Elf obviously knew what they were doing and the NY scene for cover bands must have been competitive. No wonder Elf impressed two Brits (Ian Paice and Roger Glover) enough to get them a record deal and produce their first album.
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You're right. :o
I should have listened more than just the first 20 seconds ;-)
It surprises me to hear RJD sing with that much compression. Didn't expect him to do that in this era already.
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Sounds like Black Sabbath to me.
The guitars, drums. The way he sings with the compression in his voice.
You're right. :o
I should have listened more than just the first 20 seconds ;-)
It surprises me to hear RJD sing with that much compression. Didn't expect him to do that in this era already.
How can you not tell from the hihat in the intro right off the bat? The attempt at making it more interesting kinda kills the momentum there; doesn't feel like the band is locked for those da-nuhs. Just because ya can doesn't mean ya should.
Also, though he's givin'r similarly (though I'd say the metaphorical gain turned down a bit) with the vocal overdrive, the voice is not that close to Ozzy at all. Ozzy has that sorta scream-whine thing going on and less deep. Guitars also aren't like triple tracked and verbed out. The whole thing is comparatively dry. Ironic, because the reverb has become a major part of what the kids these days take from Sabbath.
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Also, though he's givin'r similarly (though I'd say the metaphorical gain turned down a bit) with the vocal overdrive, the voice is not that close to Ozzy at all. Ozzy has that sorta scream-whine thing going on and less deep.
Of course. I'd never mistake Ozzy for RJD.
But after those first 20 seconds I thought it maybe was Mob Rules era Black Sabbath. ;)
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Ironic, because the reverb has become a major part of what the kids these days take from Sabbath.
That is odd. I'm not a deep cuts Sabbath fan, but from a casual listener perspective, I guess the first album was pretty wet, but the iconic stuff on Paranoid is quite dry. Very close miked and not much room nor plate verb. Maybe it depends which Sabbath album you're aping!
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Entwistle with his mutilated EB-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAPdjXmZKi4
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That is odd. I'm not a deep cuts Sabbath fan, but from a casual listener perspective, I guess the first album was pretty wet, but the iconic stuff on Paranoid is quite dry. Very close miked and not much room nor plate verb. Maybe it depends which Sabbath album you're aping!
Fair - not as wet for sure, but there's still a bunch of verb in there (esp on guitar), and it's def not large (plate etc) but like they recorded it (or rather ran an echo send to) a bathroom (because it is definitely parallel) - super small room size and a bit of telephone/radio filtering of the frequency extremes (the verb is all midrange). Crypto damp. Though on second thought, I suppose what struck me about The Elves version wasn't that so much the verb (it's not that dry either) as the comparative fullness (not mid focused at all like Sabbath) and my brain just blamed the reverb, which I think is part of the reason - different type of reverb. Huge reverbs are easy to spot if overused. Small ones can be more subtle and present more like weird EQ if abused. That's part of the charm of the record, the subconscious cognative dissonance between the closeness vs the general, not lack of, but much less than expected; an unnaturally low amount of bass (proximity effect isn't just applicable to microphones; our brains expect it and use it to judge distance). They cut it on everything (much more than standard on/off HPF on channel strips or microphones themselves etc to keep things from getting too muddy); close micing, which I agree this is, is much boomier barring other processing. An unsettling sound for an unsettling record. Pretty genius, but not something that can be done all the time because it will get played out really quick.
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Of course. I'd never mistake Ozzy for RJD.
But after those first 20 seconds I thought it maybe was Mob Rules era Black Sabbath. ;)
I got you Rob, even I didn't think you would mistake Ronnie with Ozzy. 8)
The guys in Elf were actually too groovy for Brit hard and heavy rock. That showed in this Sabbath cover and it showed in Blackmore's dissatisfaction after the Rainbow debut. He wanted "Barbarians at the Gate"-type musos - enter Powell, Bain and Carey -, the Elf guys were too playful for that.
Rob noted that once correctly, the (underrated) Rainbow debut has a much better band groove than the (overrated) ever-popular Rising album. Rising sounded a bit stiff to me, determined but rigid (as bands with Cozy Powell on the sticks often did). The debut had with Elf (sans their lead guitarist) a seasoned outfit, Rising was a new line-up finding its feet.
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Yes, that first Rainbow album has a certain swing that was gone once Cozy Powell was put behind the kit.
Same goes for MSG. Simon Phillips (and Mo Foster) made the debut album refined and brilliant.
Once Powell took over it was all gone. His almost a-musical bashing just killed the vibe (for me).
I know there are lots of Cozy Powell fans who disagree with me. They probably like Lars Ulrich too. ;)
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Powell was a character, but I don't remember a single drum roll or bass drum pattern he played that actually surprised me. Live, he played everything too fast and heavy-handed, he really massacred the old Whitesnake songs.
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Live, he played everything too fast and heavy-handed
This. Exactly.
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Yet weirdly this on paper unlikely combination worked on a musical level (I thought), maybe it was that athletic energy that has always pervaded ELP's music.
https://youtu.be/lRsXvZiiNNY
https://youtu.be/WYaByKQuiGs
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Powell was a character, but I don't remember a single drum roll or bass drum pattern he played that actually surprised me. Live, he played everything too fast and heavy-handed, he really massacred the old Whitesnake songs.
I thought Cozy was great when I was a kid, but I know just what you guys mean. A couple of years ago, I revisited Robert Plants early solo albums (which I love) and Cozy's two tracks on the debut stand out from Phil Collins' as being pretty stiff.
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Those ELP tracks are awful! :o
I prefer this outfit with Powell in the ranks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOQAUAIIjjM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CwocFF2sgc
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Fair - not as wet for sure, but there's still a bunch of verb in there (esp on guitar),
Yeah I'm listening to the original Sabbath "Iron Man" on headphones now, and you're right, there's more guitar reverb than I ever realized. The drums are quite tight and close-sounding though. Vocals too. There's reverb on everything, it's not nearly as bone-dry as I had remembered - but it's still relatively subtle. It's a far cry from, say, "Black Sabbath" which is just drenched in 'verb on everything as a very pronounced effect.
I'm not sure which record your comments re. proximity effect and highpass filtering were about?
I finally listened to the live Elves video above - I'd missed it originally in this thread - and yeah, to me I would not have mistaken it for Sabbath - everybody phrases quite differently than their Sabbath counterparts, the solo section especially sounds totally un-Sabbath to me - but the verses are pretty close for a cover band, with a bit of their own stamp on it :)
I don't think I would even have realized that was RJD on vocals! I've never heard anything of his from this long ago. He really did evolve his voice since then.
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How about an EB-6 demo?
Posted today on Carter Vintage's YT channel
https://youtu.be/oXDsPV2p1zs
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Nice!
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Not relevant. Baritone tuning, baritone strings. :popcorn:
Sure he plays nice, but it has nothing to do with bass.
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Not relevant. Baritone tuning, baritone strings. :popcorn:
Sure he plays nice, but it has nothing to do with bass.
:rolleyes:
EB = electric bass. regardless of how it may be tuned.
Listed under Basses in Gibson's 1960 catalog
https://www.vintageguitarandbass.com/gibson/catalogues/1960_16.php
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On German humour, no laughing matter ...
Dave, I have one, I know it's a functional bass! But mine has bass strings and is tuned like a bass. But the guy in the vid has the bass tuned like a baritone guitar (lowest note A or even B, fifth string tuned to E or F#, ie guitar tuning, four and not five half-steps higher). Consequently, he plays it like a guitar.
Which he is fine to do, but it's not playing bass with an EB-6, it's not what Jack Bruce did with a Danelectro six-string. I was - jokingly, as I had hoped would be recognized - alluding to that "misappropriation" of an EB-6. But when the EB-6 came out, it was of course meant to be used both ways. And they probably saw more use with baritone strings and guitar tuning than as basses. No matter what you do, the two additional strings don't sound much like a bass anymore, they have a guitarish twang to them even in bass tuning.
Sigh, more "bass playing" here:
https://youtu.be/2377uGYN8D0
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Dave, I have one, I know it's a functional bass! But mine has bass strings and is tuned like a bass. But the guy in the vid has the bass tuned like a baritone guitar (lowest note A or even B, fifth string tuned to E or F#, ie guitar tuning, four and not five half-steps higher). Consequently, he plays it like a guitar.
Which he is fine to do, but it's not playing bass with an EB-6, it's not what Jack Bruce did with a Danelectro six-string. I was - jokingly, as I had hoped would be recognized - alluding to that "misappropriation" of an EB-6. But when the EB-6 came out, it was meant to be used both ways.
Sigh, more "bass playing" here:
https://youtu.be/2377uGYN8D0
Sorry, I can't hear you, I'm busy listening to Budgie. :mrgreen:
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Which is all good, Dave, you should of course listen to more new music like that, my favorite Budgie track is this here:
https://youtu.be/iEct7PhjlRE
:-*
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https://youtu.be/2377uGYN8D0
Local heroes from Arnhem.
Elderly men now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwxVF899zxk
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Ok, Hank the Knife & The Jets didn't change the course of rock history, but in 1975 they were the first band I heard where I consciously noticed a baritone guitar, the way it was mixed up loud Glam Rock style, you couldn't help but notice.
Of course baritone leads had been popular in the early 60ies, but I didn't have access to that music then.
So if someone asks you what a baritone guitar sounds like, playing Hank the Knife to them will elicit immediate understanding! They're educational!
https://youtu.be/kOoV6vIJ8QM
Of course, it doesn't always have to sound like this, here at 2:31 you hear a Danelectro Baritone Bob Ezrin talked Steve Morse into playing. Steve was initially aghast about the action and the stiff strings, but he pulled thru alright me thinks ...
https://youtu.be/a10-I2kN6Oo
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In Bruce Springsteen's bio he mentions that he once owned a Gibson EB-6 which he mistook for a guitar with a long neck.
He had been playing guitar on it for quite a while, never knowing it was actually a six-string bass.
He walked up and congratulated me on the brilliant idea of stringing an old Gibson six-string bass with guitar strings and playing it as a solo instrument. I nodded coolly while thinking, “Holy shit … it’s a six string bass!” I’d been soloing like a madman for months on a bass guitar! No wonder its sound was so thick and its fret board so impossible. It worked!
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He's forgiven - on the later SG body model only the huge bass tuners are a giveaway if automatic scale length recognition isn't your thing. Tuned an octave higher and with the ensuing string tension, the Boss went through a hard school. Perhaps if he had found it easier he might have turned into a lead guitarist and not a songwriter! :mrgreen:
I only realized after years of playing that my Kramer XKB-10 Flying Broom was a medium scale bass. And how many people play a Ric without knowing that it's not quite a long scale?
Most guitarists I know are totally oblivious to the different guitar scale lengths between Fender and Gibson. They think it's some design secret that a Les Paul "is easier to play" and "let's you bend notes better" than a Strat or Tele. :rolleyes:
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This video is a year old but the bassist (Christopher Wolf) posted it to the FB group today. It's Mel Schacher's 70th birthday.
https://youtu.be/RU1SK7p9g-U
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Trevor digging out his Ziggy Stardust era slothead with da Heepsters ...
https://youtu.be/o2S0ARuxKbA
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Trevor digging out his Ziggy Stardust era slothead with da Heepsters ...
Aah, Fallen Angel. This was the first UH album I listened to. An elderly man next door was literally throwing a pile of records in his garbage bin, and my dad stopped him. Actually, they were all 70's disco hit's medley records, except complete Uriah Heep catalog up to head first. I liked the cover on Fallen Angel, wonderful artwork, so I gave it a listen. I noticed the bass right away, back then I listened a lot to Bowie and was surprised that Trevor played fretless bass too!
I think he used a fretless Kramer (aluminium neck) bass on most of that record.
EDIT: @Uwe: a fretless bass is typically a 4 stringed instrument tuned like a bass (not baritone) but without frets ;D
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Pah, I already played fretless bass when you were still circling the Christmas tree as a bambino full of Panettone crumbs fretting about when the Babbo Natale would finally come! :mrgreen:
I like that whole John Lawton era of Heep. Lawton wasn't a flamboyant front man like Byron, but he had great pipes.
I remember Trevor with a Kramer too. The bass on the track certainly doesn't sound anything like his Fender P (which he would mostly play with Heep in his later years with them). I wouldn't rule out that it was the slothead though. He did play the slothead on the more ballady stuff in the studio.
Like almost all Uriah Heep bassists, an excellent musician. For some reason, the bassists (inter alia Mark Clarke, Gary Thain, John Wetton, Trevor Bolder, Bob Daisley) were always the strongest instrumentalists with Heep.
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Really weird intonation - looks like the bridge was intonated for a left-handed player:
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Really weird intonation - looks like the bridge was intonated for a left-handed player:
It totally does, but weird things can happen if you use custom gauges.
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Brits. Left lane driving, weird intonation ... :rimshot:
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I hear they also all play left-handed.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ANufwUPFm8
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Double neck feast with Family
Looks like a modified EBS-1250 that John Wetton is using, right?
Large white pickguard and P-90 on the guitar side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puuYOq8d-pI
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The doubleneck tradition is "inherited" from his predecessor in the band, Ric Grech. You see another Gibson bass/guitar doubleneck here (with a very young - barely recognizable, but the voice gives him away - Chappo at a late '67 Family gig) at 3:30 (bass headstock) and 4:48 (full frontal view). But it's a different instrument, Wetton had the bass on top, Grech however the guitar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdyv-ddUXvc
Do not listen to this if, uhum, "more adventurous" horn harmonies are not your thing! I warned you. :mrgreen: Captain Beefheart fans will rejoice, however. :rimshot:
Of interest to our Dutch and Canadian contributors, Herr Grech also played other Gibson basses.
(https://images.equipboard.com/uploads/user/image/8740/big_ric-grech.jpg?v=1615158176)
Wetton otoh played an EB-3 when he helped out Renaissance on a tour in 1971 (prior to Jon Camp becoming their steady bassist in 1972):
(http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2058868558?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024)
(https://renaissancetouring.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/John-Wetton-and-Annie-Haslam-in-1971-210x300.jpg)
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Looks like a EB0L
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyvKggXxSKU
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Looks like a post-71. Whoever said a mudbucker gets lost in the mix?
From 2002, when Stevie was twice the woman she was in the 70s but only half the woman she is now.
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Once they started using maple necks and fidgeted with the mudbucker, non-audibility wasn't so much an issue anymore. But the change came too late, they already had their mud image.
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Thornton Sisters 1959 with an EB played upright.
Skip to 1.01 to avoid the somewhat lengthy intro of the show.
https://youtu.be/UhghYBVb6Vo?t=61
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Well that was fun!
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That was different!
Ted Mack's show was very popular for a long time.
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That even had a bit of a Bebop influence!
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A bit?
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Excellent. That girl drummer could play! The mom no doubt played upright before.
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A bit?
You caught me! I was weighing my words REAL carefully so some guy with maybe 1.200 Bebop records in his collection would not jump on me, telling me a myriad reasons why it's not Bebop. I'm no Jazz history buff, but I found it still relatively accessible for what little Bebop I remember. You know, most of my Bebop knowledge comes from these guys here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K95haA2UAaU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qxk-DNlsrY
... and what our Jazz buff music teacher explained to us about Dixieland, Bebop and Cool Jazz way back in 10th grade. But - look and behold - some of it stuck or I wouldn't have been able to place The Thornton Sisters. 8)
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https://youtu.be/SlzC0T7z4io
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https://youtu.be/SlzC0T7z4io
Truly awesome!
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Wow. Very few Jimmy Reed live videos out there. Great find!
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It may be amazing.
But they should have taken more time to tune up properly.
My god, sounds like they didn't agree what key the song was in.
(and tempo too...) :sad:
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It may be amazing.
But they should have taken more time to tune up properly.
My god, sounds like they didn't agree what key the song was in.
(and tempo too...) :sad:
Jimmy wasn't concerned about such trivial things. :)
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Jimmy wasn't concerned about such trivial things. :)
No he was a little Chuck Berry=ish.
I'll play you pay.
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At one point his son was playing bass in the band , Jimmy was drinking , a lot . He fell over on stage , the band was pretty fed up with him and didn’t make a move . His son lit up a cigarette . About a minute later Jimmy came to , looked around , glared at his son and said “No smoking on the bandstand”
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It may be amazing.
But they should have taken more time to tune up properly.
My god, sounds like they didn't agree what key the song was in.
(and tempo too...) :sad:
How I hate your rigid, compartmentalized and utterly unartistc view on things, Holländer! In your next life, you'll be reborn deutsch (no, not Dutch). :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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How I hate your rigid, compartmentalized and utterly unartistc view on things, Holländer! In your next life, you'll be reborn deutsch (no, not Dutch). :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Does that mean you think it was a good performance? :o :popcorn:
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :rimshot:
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The great Badfinger with - very audibly so - an EB-3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoke1wUwEXY
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This makes me so very happy. Badfinger is one of my favorite bands. I've seen Tommy with Jazz Basses, Nonreverse Thunderbirds even a EB1 I don't think I've ever seen Tommy with a EB3! As Uwe states there is no mistaking the sound. Back in the early 80's I would run into Tommy from time to time and spent quite a bit of time chatting , even got to play his EB1.
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The Liverbirds, Britain's first female rock and roll band. 1965
https://youtu.be/-essM3zzcrY
https://youtu.be/SNOZmS-y18g
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Don't know if this has been previously posted here. Alan Lancaster and an early EB-0 with added bridge pickup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdqmq-wm46U
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EB-2 with The Beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwhdNK1pWS0
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Don't know if this has been previously posted here. Alan Lancaster and an early EB-0 with added bridge pickup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdqmq-wm46U
Thanks Doomie, now that is a rare one! I've never seen Alan 'Nuff' Lancaster with a Gibson bass before!
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Don't let the P-bass in the first seconds of the video fool you.
Bass player chose the EB-0 over the P to record this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlrStQ8iAKE
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Thanks Doomie, now that is a rare one! I've never seen Alan 'Nuff' Lancaster with a Gibson bass before!
I was just watching a ratty copy of this video on YouTube and was poised to post it here. At a guess none of the instruments belonged to Quo? Maybe their own guitars were en route to a gig, so they borrowed this stuff? I've never seen Rick with that boggo Norlin SG and the white Telecaster looks far too clean to be a Quo guitar.
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Quo didn't always play their trademark battered Telecasters [Rossi has often moaned that the typical Quo sound has less to do with the Telecasters and more how he and Rick play(ed)] and Nuff had a liking for less than long scale basses (his legendary Fender Mustang and the later Travis Beans/Kramers, which were medium scale) so the Gibbie might have fitted right in. But I don't rule out that they were "TV studio loaned" either. That happened quite often in the 70ies.
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A good job of trying as much as possible to match the video to the audio.
Uh-oh. I just noticed that Eric Clapton now says he has zero tolerance for the way he played on this song.
https://www.musicradar.com/news/eric-clapton-interview-blues-robert-johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HfkSzsyh1E
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Can EB2 basses go in here?
Polish prog rockers SBB, with Józef Skrzek on bass. He unleashes a fairly abstract and noisy solo on an EB2 from 10:30 onwards.
https://youtu.be/9inYhks_4DE
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The beginnings of Grunge, no doubt. Do a power chord, move it chromatically up and down the instrument - voilà music!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRqj_EB4HME
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Can EB2 basses go in here?
Polish prog rockers SBB, with Józef Skrzek on bass. He unleashes a fairly abstract and noisy solo on an EB2 from 10:30 onwards.
https://youtu.be/9inYhks_4DE
Nice vibrato. Audiences had a lot more patience in the olden days.
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I just wanna know how in heck he got an EB2 from behind the iron curtain.
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FACT: My Bicentennial is from the GDR! The guy bought it in the 70ies in an East Berlin music store where you could by Western instruments for obscene amounts of money. The guy liked the TBird logo in US of A colors especially.
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Interesting.
Even as late as the 2000s, it wasn't easy getting actual Gibsons in Poland.
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Brian Jones likes these guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZZmothulr0
I searched for more of their stuff after hearing this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eex_Sg8mEhs
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No shortage of EB-2 videos. Gold is over $1,900 an ounce so silence must be too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n03g8nsaBro
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Embedding does'nt seem to work at the moment so click the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbNJUWJN_Sg
Iggy Pop and early EB-0.
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Embedding does'nt seem to work at the moment so click the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbNJUWJN_Sg
Iggy Pop and early EB-0.
I can see it just fine, not sure why you can't.
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It did'nt show other than the link when I posted. Now it seems to work fine. Or maybe it does'nt show the video when previewing? I think it used to, but not now.
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Herr Osterberg's stage demeanor was always pleasantly on the hyperactive side. :popcorn:
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Two spirited - some would say: even uninhibited - TV performances with what appears to be a 70ies EB-3L. For these young men, joy and music went together - always. And: There is an inherent beauty to chaos.
(parental advisory: includes male chest hair, drug-induced sweating, lewd language, mentioning of deviant sexual practices, inordinate amounts of feedback & generally age-inappropriate behavior)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxRpGguGGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFAMyoGS4jY
But when they put their minds to it, Loccoriere's (no eye patch) and Sawyer's (eye patch!) voices melted as magic. Mesmerizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGMiteDk910
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Solid tune with an SG bass. Hope no IPA fans take offense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_CpPNgCYw
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I don't feel that strongly about it, but IPA is my last choice. Nice tune and video with definite....attractions.
Porter? Stout? YEAH!!
For a straight-ahead lager or ale, I'm always OK.
And in the summer, let's have a clean, crisp pilsner (preferably from Uwe's neighborhood.)
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I hate to say it, but I find Pils(ner) overrated. In all its dreariness it has become the dominating taste of beer (though it is finally being pushed back a little in recent years) in all of Germany, even in places where it is an invasive species. Pils has no business in the South of Germany, it comes from the North where they never really knew how to brew, those darn DNA remnants of Viking raids.
I prefer either lighter or darker beer, but I'm not a great beer drinker per se, red wine is my toxicant of choice. Preferable from your neck of the woods.
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Scuzz Twittly (Trent Ward) is a man of strong preferences.
https://youtu.be/56duVYLsd4Q
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I shall make a note not to patronize his bathing suit shop.
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I shall make a note not to patronize his bathing suit shop.
Really? I thought it was quite stylish. ;D
Despite the popularity of Scuzz Twittly, Ward considers himself a filmmaker first. Believe it or not, he studied script writing at Second City.
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Frau Quatro with her EB2 performing the original, sultry, R&B'y, cajun'y version of Wild One.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5uKCamKoL4
Somewhere along the way Chinn-Chapman-Most must have had second thoughts about this being too radical a departure from her usual style and had her revert to type.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dra_FMil1_0
I prefer the original version, but, yeah, the later version was of course made-to-measure ChinniChap RAK chart fodder destined to be a mid-70ies hit.
More EB2 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMqRY6lEMk8
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Really? I thought it was quite stylish. ;D
Despite the popularity of Scuzz Twittly, Ward considers himself a filmmaker first. Believe it or not, he studied script writing at Second City.
I'm gad that ir's still winter in MN/
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Solid tune with an SG bass. Hope no IPA fans take offense.
Ha ha, I hoped someone was going to record a song like this :mrgreen:
I was actually going to print a F**K IPA t shirt to wear when our band rehearsed in Oslo about ten years ago.
Back then, you couldn't get anything else. All of a sudden, all the decent bars offered a couple of cheap lagers and about 50 IPA's.
I hate to say it, but I find Pils(ner) overrated. In all its dreariness it has become the dominating taste of beer (though it is finally being pushed back a little in recent years) in all of Germany, even in places where it is an invasive species. Pils has no business in the South of Germany, it comes from the North where they never really knew how to brew, those darn DNA remnants of Viking raids.
I prefer either lighter or darker beer, but I'm not a great beer drinker per se, red wine is my toxicant of choice. Preferable from your neck of the woods.
I love beer but, although being a Viking, hardly ever drink lager. Northern England and Flemish Belgium must be the best beer regions in the whole welt. If I'm in the more bitter mood, there are some beautifully made ales from Kent. Germany certainly does have a lot of nice ones too, you just gotta love Schlenkerla Raüchbier from Bamberg. Köstritzer Schwartzbier and Aventinus Eisbock also comes to mind here, lovely. I think I even tasted a quite nice pilsener from Germany way back, Rothaus tannenzäpfle.
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The US is suffering from a plague of IPAs. They seem to be multiplying everywhere, and my wife dislikes their strong hoppy character. I'm generally more of a fan ales and of darker beers, including porters and stouts. However, I like pilsner on a hot day...and some of the best do come from Germany.
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Epiphone Newport footage with XTC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXNhL4J_S00
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Dutch band The Analogues specialize in live renditions of The Beatles studio albums. They painstakingly re-create the sounds of the studio versions.
But now they've recorded an album with original compositions. Of course the Beatles vibe is omnipresent.
Here's the first single off the album, featuring a Gibson EB-3 in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkK7lzEpVOU
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Simpelweg prachtig!
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https://youtu.be/pqxwXla3-Bw
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But what you HEAR is Cornick on a Fender Jazz with flats.
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But what you HEAR is Cornick on a Fender Jazz with flats.
Interesting. I'm guessing this has been discussed before.
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Interesting. I'm guessing this has been discussed before.
I think, once or twice.
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I liked the first three Tull LPs , and always thought Cornick was one hell of a bass player . They lost me at Aqualung .
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You can actually hear it, the increased tension of the strings and Cornick does no bendings which is unusual for him.
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I liked the first three Tull LPs , and always thought Cornick was one hell of a bass player . They lost me at Aqualung .
Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond played bass well enough on Tull albums (he was no Glenn Cornick though), but I've gathered from various sources that all his bass lines stemmed from others, either Martin Barre (the guitarist) or John Evans (the keyboarder), sometimes also Ian Anderson. Everyone loved Jeffrey (Anderson talked him into joining the band), he was flamboyant on stage (that matching zebra bass to his zebra stage clothes gave his visual artist eye away),
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxs6cN6wR2krfE1OC-sTBUzrEIe_L6HtY5kw&usqp=CAU)
but he had zero ego to contribute musically, painting was his great love and he has returned to it, after leaving Tull at his own accord in 1975 (with his successor John Glascock being then the first Tull bassist since Cornick to write his own lines).
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzNsNTNptDyqb3oYmpxauF9sU7rZs3YXllsSsWOG6vfw&s)
(https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/images-a.jpimedia.uk/imagefetch/http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/webimage/Prestige.Item.1.96131430!image/image.jpg?width=1200&enable=upscale)
Given the intricacy of Tull's arrangements, memorizing the bass lines from other people is no mean feat! Even on official Tull sites it says:
After leaving Grammar School, he opted to study painting rather than continue with music, but he was convinced to join Jethro Tull in January 1971. During the time of Tull’s dramatic stage costumes, Jeffrey started wearing a black and white striped suit and played a matching bass guitar, and this became his trademark and a feature of Tull’s Thick as a Brick stage performance. Hammond burned the suit in December 1975 on his departure from the band.
He then left the band to continue his career in art. According to Ian Anderson’s sleevenotes for the 2002 reissue of Tull’s Minstrel in the Gallery, Hammond “returned to his first love, painting, and put down his bass guitar, never to play again.”
Hammond’s replacement as bass player was John Glascock, a professional musician. Hammond had required considerable practice and rehearsal to play Jethro Tull’s music.
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It was Cornick’s minor walks that got me . He had a gift for creating melodic minor walks .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaCwPvZShK4
And when Tull were a still a blues band - with some mustached guitarist in a fringed leather jacket from Birmingham with a few digits on his fretting hand missing whose name escapes me ... I never knew it was Cornick who played harmonica on that track (or perhaps he didn't, the performance is mimed, only Anderson sings live and might have played the harp in the studio). Although he wasn't yet in the band, the "Jeffrey" in the song is actually already Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz5L-n1b4NE
I too have a penchant for the early, bluesy Tull, later versions of Tull would sound angular and sometimes very contrived to me, those clever-clever arrangements became self-serving, form over substance, not the greatest fan of Ian Anderson's very mannered vocal style either. My two favorite albums are a strange mix: The still very organic debut and the glammy-decadent-dystopian War Child. Neither the Aqualung nor the Thick As A Brick album, which seem to be the eternal favorites of the Tull congregation, did much for me.
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Don't know if this has been up before? EB-1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tLsFsGxLmE
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Classic line-up.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjVMFHSp47g
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Rare Bird with their hit Sympathy:
https://youtu.be/G-DIu3lTEaA
Singer and bassist Steve Gould is playing an early EB0 refinished in a fun pink colour. (Uwe's helpful explanatory edit:
Don't squint your eyes. Alan, your archetypical colorblind male limited to
recognizing only your most basic primary colors even under optimal
lighting conditions, refers to the pastel lilac the bass is painted in.)
(https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.872859612.3841/flat,750x1000,075,f.u3.jpg)
Note the extra pickup and unsympathetic additional controls.
Steve Gould was born in 1950, so is 20 in this video. Which I find hard to believe.
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Gould is just the type of guy who looks more adult at a comparatively young age, but then doesn't change much. Here he is 25 years later doing Ten Years After if that makes sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeuZKwxzNi8
He played on at least two of Alvin Lee's 90ies solo albums and also comtributed to their production and songwriting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8O58Mdrc3A
And here with an EB-2 - yup, that is Clarence Clemons on sax.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_LbGKil3Go
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Just posted 2 days ago on the Ed Sullivan channel.
https://youtu.be/I0quwimn94E
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Killer version.
But why does Ed Sullivan look like Richard Nixon (or vice versa)?
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Just posted 2 days ago on the Ed Sullivan channel.
https://youtu.be/I0quwimn94E
I never see Hilton Valentine mentioned as a great Rickenbacker slinger, which seems a shame.
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https://youtu.be/Ss1EyyXL4Gk
Marvelous Mountain that's not been seen for awhile too!
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That's great!
Not a video, but a very cool pic featuring a whole lot of EB-0 basses!
(https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/308796662_671009554628900_6134501531985125630_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=mjJyFanKlTAAX8QTQWi&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=00_AT-4ChoFMnMUz6Sdb3N17xlNpPiefcyiG1bXWJf-If0uXw&oe=633ADF6B)
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That’s a pile of EB0s , all owned by the guy that took the pic.
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Yeah that's John Aaron. He is selling the (impressive) collection of his late father-in-law.
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That’s impressive.
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That's one big heap of mud.
(https://journal.denkeler-foto.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/lehmberg.jpg)
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Facebook has started tempting me with those adverts. There's a similar one of a prawn ring of EB-2 basses. On closer inspection a fair few are modified or in need of restoration!
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I think it was posted by the same guy.
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Also not a video, but posted by Jackie on her FB page. I hadn't seen it before.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZHDk7Qo.jpg)
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Is this new Mountain footage?
https://youtu.be/Ss1EyyXL4Gk
Guitar and bass as one amorphous wall of sludge. That RMI electric piano isn't doing much for me!
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Just posted 2 days ago on the Ed Sullivan channel.
https://youtu.be/I0quwimn94E
Great one even if it's lacking bass audio. They probably had some technical problem, audible as a faint buzz early in the video. Eric Burdon even improvisationally comments it around 3:15. "Even we got no bass, everything is gonna be alright".
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Is this new Mountain footage?
https://youtu.be/Ss1EyyXL4Gk
Guitar and bass as one amorphous wall of sludge. That RMI electric piano isn't doing much for me!
Just uploaded on Sept. 16. I hadn't seen it anywhere before.
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Also not a video, but posted by Jackie on her FB page. I hadn't seen it before.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZHDk7Qo.jpg)
That's a really nice pic, though.
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Yup, cute. Joanie still had some baby fat.
And Kim Fowley obviously had doubts whether Jackie could already master a long scale instrument hence the slothead. Her hand/finger positioning looks a bit weird/disconcerting though, what has Jackie been hiding from us all thse years?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJE7u22dgrElxQY7PY8lf-H8VcRkqPgJZB-fV0SrDqxysUPcWYFqguX9bpWmkp_MMgNSM&usqp=CAU)
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Jack Bruce with Robin Trower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN_RiY2-suc
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Just uploaded on Sept. 16. I hadn't seen it anywhere before.
I just noticed that myself on YouTube. I think it is recent. It says in the title it's rare. I was expecting Felix Pappalardi to be playing an EB-1, but got surprised.
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The Jam playing 'Start' live. You can't fake that honk! It's a Rivoli.
This gig was rebroadcast a few months back on BBC4 (I think!). Bruce Foxton only used this bass for this one song.
https://youtu.be/mEW0ONwrX7Q
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Herr Osterberg's stage demeanor was always pleasantly on the hyperactive side. :popcorn:
He calms down slightly if you give him a guitar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqM_7X7PRH4
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Good thing he slings that guitar so low. Imagine Steve Howe doing that.
(https://www.yesworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/SH-Richard-Aaron-03.jpg)
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https://youtu.be/dZnU912if8w
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SB-450 on the transcription of Dee Murray's bass part on Elton John song Amoreena
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBESkq1beZs
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Maybe the strings are dead, but that SB-450 sounds so unremarkable it confirms even Dave's worst preconceptions.
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He has a big chunk of foam under the strings at the bridge.
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Maybe the strings are dead, but that SB-450 sounds so unremarkable it confirms even Dave's worst preconceptions.
And I was thinking, this bass sounds pretty good, like and old P bass. Maybe it's the bridge ;-)
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The bassist for the Alabama Shakes plays a P bass with foam under the strings. I don't know why. Whatever his reason is for doing so, it's likely I would find it unconvincing. I can't say I'm particularly interested in getting that kind of sound.
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That's why I have multiple basses. My 1970 alder/rosewood P has the weather strip mute under the bridge cover, and my 1975 ash/maple P does not. Flats+pick+mute (especially over-string mute) equals instant 60s bass tone. It's nice to have one bass set up like this.
And even with flats and foam mute, it still sounds brighter than the distinguished forum's beloved mudbucker.
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Maybe the strings are dead, but that SB-450 sounds so unremarkable it confirms even Dave's worst preconceptions.
That's the right word. Not bad, just unremarkable.
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I follow everything you say slavishly, always have.
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I follow everything you say slavishly, always have.
:mrgreen:
You never forget what I don't like, that's for sure.
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The refrigerator poster!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/CheHigh.jpg/210px-CheHigh.jpg)
Hasta la
victoria,
siempre!
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That was on the fridge of a blind date I had, 53 years ago. But of course you remember. ;D
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The bassist for the Alabama Shakes plays a P bass with foam under the strings. I don't know why. Whatever his reason is for doing so, it's likely I would find it unconvincing. I can't say I'm particularly interested in getting that kind of sound.
I played a gig earlier this year with my P Bass and used foam on half the set. Good for cutting down sustain and resonance, so I was just a musical pulse sync'd to the kick drum.
The Jamerson/Motown tone is a studio creation and doesn't necessarily work live.
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Let's not forget that for years, the sound a P-bass was one with foam on the underside of the bridge cover. I still have the original foam from the bridge cover on my '63 P and it's in good shape since it hasn't been in sunlight.
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"And even with flats and foam mute, it still sounds brighter than the distinguished forum's beloved mudbucker."
Ilan, how often do we have to tell you, mudbuckers are meant to be felt not heard!
(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/two-hooded-cobras-strike-position-260nw-26314165.jpg)
I felt what he played, did you?
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Let's not forget that for years, the sound a P-bass was one with foam on the underside of the bridge cover. I still have the original foam from the bridge cover on my '63 P and it's in good shape since it hasn't been in sunlight.
I was never around P basses enough to notice if they had foam or not. Besides playing them in music stores, the only extensive exposure I had to a P bass was when I once had to borrow one for a very long gig. Through the years, I discovered I liked J basses better. In general, though, I was never drawn to Fender. I'm more open now than I used to be. I've mostly played short scales and unless you play a Mustang, I don't know what kind of Fender short scale you're going to play. To me playing a long scale is just as comfortable as a short scale. But like I've mentioned in prior threads, it is ideal to play a short scale if you're going to sing and play at the same time. For me, I've always found EB-O, EB-3 and SG basses to be what suits me best. In addition, there is also, of course, the Gibson Les Paul Jr. Tribute DC I like playing and the Vintage Vs4cr, which although not an actual Gibson, looks a lot like my SG and gets a surprisingly great sound.
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I foam whenever I see a P Bass.
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I foam whenever I see a P Bass.
Out of which orifice?
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Ilan, how often do we have to tell you, mudbuckers are meant to be felt not heard!
I hope the mudbucker feels well inside its box in my parts drawer, while a nice vintage Gibson single coil does a better job inside its old rout in my magnificent EB-0L.
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But you have to adopt our faith, Ilan, how else can your soul find redemption?
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Out of which orifice?
While they're crap looking basses, the upper one.
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In 1967 my parents bought me a 1963 P (originally white, rather chipped up in the body...which is why I had it re-painted in 1972...) a blackface Bassman and a 2x15 Fender cab. I still have the P and the Bassman amp.
That P was my only electric bass, and I liked the look of the covers. The foam was still in the bridge cover and I played it the way it was...mostly dinner jacket dance band stuff. I never even thought about removing the foam. I briefly had a cheap Japanese violin bass copy but the pickups were so microphonic that I couldn't really use it. Then I moved from home in 1973.
Fast forward to 1997 and the parents moved into a smaller home, so I picked up my gear and started playing bass again. That's when I got brave enough to remove the covers and look under them. After a while I carefully removed the foam and found that I liked the open strings just fine, so I've left it that way. But IMO that foam mute still has a place in music.
I know this isn't a forum where there are many Fender fans, but that old P is light, sounds good (even with the original strings still on it) and is the most valuable instrument I own.
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My PJ Mustang has, over time, become my favorite bass. Somehow, it always feels "right" in the mix.
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I recorded some stuff with my band last weekend, using my reissue Rivoli. Into a clean DI it is a brilliant recording bass. Solid low frequencies with no need to try and tease out bass frequencies with cunning EQ, compression etc.
My P Bass has a J Bass neck, so it is only half a P.
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But you have to adopt our faith, Ilan, how else can your soul find redemption?
I also shunt the bass-cut caps on pre-85 Rics, you know, and still see myself as a strong believer in the 4001. The way I see it, my EB-0L is saved from evil and suffering under the tyranny of the Mud. I really should post a demo on youtube.
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(https://www.sbs.com.au/movies/sites/sbs.com.au.film/files/styles/full/public/life-of-brian_704_2.jpg?itok=AQxebcje&mtime=1515363247)
This one is especially unruly ...
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Unruly?? Who....Biggus Dickus??
(https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/montypython/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian-QO0A4FIX-subtitled.jpg)
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https://youtu.be/6nc8I1lZ4Us
Thom Yorke embracing the mud just after the 13th minute.
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What did I just see
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Just sounds like Radiohead, but hipsters are going to compare it to Can and this will make me sad.
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If I were Can, I'd feel insulted by your comment, Alan. Even Can were never that horrible.
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Shared on FB today: Joe Maphis on an EB-1 (even a brief bass solo) with Larry Collins, whose doubleneck Mosrite was patterned after Joe's.
https://youtu.be/nnAQvu7OqrY
I'm old enough to remember the Collins Kids and Town Hall Party/Ranch Party very well.
Here's Larry Collins (age 78) last week with another one of his Mosrites.
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Lively! :)
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John Glascock with a decidedly unmuddy sounding - more bone than mud - EB-0.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQFq_2OyG60
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Is that a T-bird pup at the bridge? Good view of the bass starting about 2:55 here.
https://youtu.be/8gMC_2kS0bk?t=175
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Good eyes, Tom, you're right! I was already wondering how extremely you would have to tweak a rig to get that sound out of a mudbucker. :-X
No one ever supports me here in my love for Carmen - it's as futile as posting something from The Sparks, you guys don't "get" them either. I believe you all think they're just plain weird and nothing else! Criminal ignorance. Something about Hispanic guitarists with blue and red nail polish I guess. 8) If David Bowie, Ritchie Blackmore and Ian Anderson like you as a band, you must be doing something right!
Or wrong. :mrgreen: Thanks for posting that clip, I had not seen that filmed rehearsal for the Midnight Special yet, priceless. It's actually better than the performance, because it's a little looser.
PS: Angela Allen (the female singer, dancer, synth player) and John Glascock were an item at the time - lucky guy. Who says that the bassist never gets the girl? (At least, if the lead guitarist is by coincidence her brother, he has a bullfighter's chance.) :rimshot:
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I need to check out more Carmen. I feel like I've known the name, but nothing about them. Pretty cool vibe, and the bass player's GF is quite attractive! :o
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In 1973, they were at least a decade ahead of their time. A US-Brit group (the rhythm section was UK, everyone else Californian with Spanish and Mexican origin, band leader/guitarist and female were siblings) with strong Iberian ethno-roots and a glam image writing Flamenco-flavored prog-rock tunes + Tony Visconti producing their first two albums!
Strange meters too - you should feel right at home, gringo! ;)
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it's as futile as posting something from The Sparks, you guys don't "get" them either.
I do! I always liked the few songs I'd heard, and then I watched the Sparks Brothers movie - it's fantastic, highly recommend.
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They're an American band for chrisssakes, you all should know them by heart!
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Might have been posted previously but anyaway: Kinks and EB-3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0tXrj1qU
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Uncle Bill, with his oh so uncanny knack of squeezing in the unexpected note when no one is watching or expecting, plays a major-keyish bass line to a minor key riff with an EB-3. While the guitars play the A minor pentatonic riff with a minorish C on a revolving basis, Herr Wyman hits a majorish C# whenever the band plays an A (though never when the riff starts) in its riff cycle A, C, D, E, A, G + A, C, D, E, A. And it works, adding to the Cajun feel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hw1SKn5eFM&list=RD9hw1SKn5eFM&start_radio=1
Around the time of Goats Head Soup, he played an EB-3 quite often (though he reputedly didn't really like it in the end).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcZn2-bGXqQ
Even live as this cocaine-crazed version of Street Fighting Man from 1973 shows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDjOSVSUR_g
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Early EB-0
https://youtu.be/cos9y6Mfv6s
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I always loved that. Heartbreak to a bright pop melody.
They’re a great live band.
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I can't make out the name on this SG-shaped bass. This is a band named Historia, obviously from Italy. They have a new line-up now, but I like this song they did five years ago with the old line-up.
https://youtu.be/bz-coomDMvI
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Looks like it has a slot headstock. Bridge pickup appears to be a Maxon type, with 8 fake pole pieces.
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It does have a slot headstock. But the name on the headstock isn't clear.
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With the exception of Ibanez in the lawsuit era, I'm not aware of anyone copying slothead EBs. They came in both short and - if you were willing to pay 15 Marks = 3 % more on/of the recommended retail price for the shorty - long scale.
(https://img.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/api/v1/prod-ads/images/e8/e8b28a7e-d330-401a-a91c-181dd1489682?rule=$_59.JPG)
(https://img.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/api/v1/prod-ads/images/ed/edc8b115-c6ce-4be9-a959-cf642e81336d?rule=$_59.JPG)
(https://img.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/api/v1/prod-ads/images/87/87b02f67-2c80-410e-bede-3bd4a90b3ac1?rule=$_59.JPG)
(https://img.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/api/v1/prod-ads/images/76/769b99f3-8dad-4eae-850e-a9d2db419f33?rule=$_59.JPG)
The Greco copies I've seen weren't slotheads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS5qogyTJag
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I think that may solve the mystery. It's still not exactly clear, but if you freeze the video at 2:00-2:01 that very well could be Ibanez on the headstock.
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From the 1973 Ibanez catalog:
http://s93105080.onlinehome.us/Ibanez-Catalogs/catalog/1973-3/07.jpg
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I think that may solve the mystery. It's still not exactly clear, but if you freeze the video at 2:00-2:01 that very well could be Ibanez on the headstock.
It's the Ibanez no doubt, at 2:01 I can clearly see the "...ez" on the headstock.
Also, you can actually hear the bass in the recording, so it obviously can't be a real mudbucker! 8) Not a bad song btw.
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It's the Ibanez no doubt, at 2:01 I can clearly see the "...ez" on the headstock.
Also, you can actually hear the bass in the recording, so it obviously can't be a real mudbucker! 8) Not a bad song btw.
I started watching more recent videos by that band, then worked myself down to older ones like that one. I immediately liked that song. Of course it didn't take long to notice that bass. I knew from Spanish that to die was part of that song title. It's "I Want To Die Drunk." The more I listen to Italian rock, the more I'm drawn to the Italian language itself. It's nice to know what's being said in live performances between songs. I've always liked Lacuna Coil from years way back, but more recently have discovered newer Italian bands, too. I'd love to have one of those Ibanez lawsuit era basses, though, like in the video.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS5qogyTJag
DAMN!! That young lady is SMOKIN' that bass! I'm very impressed, that's fantastic stuff.
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Long time crush on that one.
I just love the sheer joy she manages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPPwJRWCbHE
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I have two of Kinga's albums. Her enthusiasm and love for playing bass are infectious + she has endless chops, but I don't hear anything new or particularly individual in her playing. Her style is a compendium of 50 years of jazz rock & funk electric bass playing. She has the rule book down pat, but she never ever breaks it. A bass Wunderkind, but not an innovator like Stanley Clarke, Jaco Pastorius, Mark King, Nick Beggs, Mick Karn or Flea. And I went out of my way not to include a rock style bassist here (except maybe Flea, at least in part) because I understand that is not what she is about (or should have to do).
Or is "skilled, but not original" a dour old white man trope I've fallen into? Be honest with me. :-X
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I’ve only watched the occasional YouTube video , her touch is absolutely wonderful , and she’s come up with some great parts on “Wake Me Up” that never distract from the song. They’re a bit flashy , but I can forgive that. Her joy is contagious. And that’s what struck me.
What’s not to love. She’s more concerned about playing the song rather than putting her stamp on it , but the parts she’s altered fit like a glove.
Of the current wonder kids on YouTube she’s easily my favourite.
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At her age, you must be comatose if you're not flashy. And her take on Wham! was good fun - especially how she somehow saw/heard the chorus as something sacred not to be messed with, reverting to root note every time. Cute. But less could sometimes be more to get away from that "my cascade of tricks"-display. To her defense: She's in a rut already. Her second album was less attention grabbing and flashy as regards her bass playing (some would say: more mature) and she immediately caught flak for that too.
Unfortunately, Jeff Beck has left us. He doesn't need any more youthful women bass players with an overabundance of chops. Same thing with Prince.
She needs to work within the context of a band where her bass playing is not the sole focus. Now if Flea broke an arm (not badly, just a little) and RHCP had imminent touring commitments ...
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Not a video, but this was posted in the Seldom Seen Old Pics of Famous Musicians thread at the Tele forum.
Suzi Quatro in 1973
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I have two of Kinga's albums. Her enthusiasm and love for playing bass are infectious + she has endless chops, but I don't hear anything new or particularly individual in her playing. Her style is a compendium of 50 years of jazz rock & funk electric bass playing. She has the rule book down pat, but she never ever breaks it. A bass Wunderkind, but not an innovator like Stanley Clarke, Jaco Pastorius, Mark King, Nick Beggs, Mick Karn or Flea. And I went out of my way not to include a rock style bassist here (except maybe Flea, at least in part) because I understand that is not what she is about (or should have to do).
Or is "skilled, but not original" a dour old white man trope I've fallen into? Be honest with me. :-X
Her web site says her music is Jazz Blues. It sounds more like Blues Jazz to me.
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It's neither. It's essentially musicians' music elevator light jazz rock "have room to show off your chops" instrumental muzak, the kind of stuff that has been done since the 70ies. It's not so much songs as an instrumental setting to present the players to their best advantage.
Not that there is anything fundamentally wrong with that, it's a niche like many others.
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She's an excellent player, but her band should be called Vehicle.
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You said it. 8)
And why does that jazz rock light stuff always have to be instrumental or if there is a voice it has to sound like a black one?
Waving the Purple flag here again, but there was one great exception:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSYZxgQSsFU
Of course, that went commercially nowhere. Ian Gillan fans were baffled and Weather Report aficionados didn't want to contaminate their prized record collection with an album featuring an Ex-Deep Purple singer of all people. Plus it was 1977 and Punk ruled.
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You said it. 8)
And why does that jazz rock light stuff always have to be instrumental or if there is a voice it has to sound like a black one?
Waving the Purple flag here again, but there was one great exception:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSYZxgQSsFU
Of course, that went commercially nowhere. Ian Gillan fans were baffled and Weather Report aficionados didn't want to contaminate their prized record collection with an album featuring an Ex-Deep Purple singer of all people. Plus it was 1977 and Punk ruled.
Puppet Show
and Ian Gillan Band
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Is "Puppet Show" a band? Never heard of them.
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Is "Puppet Show" a band? Never heard of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Kjqh7Qn1I
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LOL, that is sooooo uncanny, I wonder whether they had Ian's jazz excursion with the IGB in mind! He got a lot of flak for it at the time (and never got invited to the Montreux Jazz Festval with IGB either). But Bruce Dickinson, look and behold, is a fan of it, so am I. That album was friggin' brilliant (though even in Purple circles hugely divisive).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxr7rqXF55M
Ian has disowned it and nowadays says: "Brilliant musicianship, but Christ there is not a single straight beat on the album!" The music was indeed the band's do (who were all Weather Report fans at the time), Ian just sang over it, but with his penchant for off-the-wall vocal lines I thought it worked well.
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Not a video, but this was posted in the Seldom Seen Old Pics of Famous Musicians thread at the Tele forum.
Suzi Quatro in 1973
https://www.tdpri.com/attachments/1679649818609-png.1100422/
That's a great looking bass for her. Cute little thing. The bass too!
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Suzi was a real heart-throb. Not to mention other throbbing organs. Her poster graced the wall beside my bed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ko1bf_u0vo
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Suzi was a real heart-throb. Not to mention other throbbing organs. Her poster graced the wall beside my bed.
Oh I'll bet it did.
(https://www.beat-magazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Suzi-Quatro.jpg)
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This tiny bass looks like an extra long scale on her
(https://lastfm.freetls.fastly.net/i/u/ar0/af923c4c18eb4fc609ce438a65fd51a2.jpg)
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Lest we forget, she had cross-gender appeal!
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Too bad her music was so crappy :-X
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Tsk, tsk, tsk, it wasn't all Chinn & Chapman which you so despise, Rob! Our resident Dutchman doesn't like music that is too conventional or - in hemelsnaam! - associated with anything camp or glammy/teeny bopper, it's all cheesy karaoke to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4nK3C4cwio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IDT3QPgB6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Lrxr5wZYU
Rob can't even appreciate the utter brilliance of Racey!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeYBPZOukk
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Rare to see bassists in that Tele forum thread, now another Gibson bass the same day.
In all the times I saw The Mamas and the Papas on TV, I never saw Denny Doherty playing any instrument. Now here he is playing an EB-2. Hal Blaine on drums. No idea when and where but obviously early days.
(https://www.tdpri.com/attachments/mphal-jpg.1100572/)
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Too bad her music was so crappy :-X
Suzi was crappy, but David Lee Roth wasn't? I would take her over DLR any day of the week. He did okay on a few songs, but overall things were never too impressive when it came to his "singing." He was a showman and I guess a lot of people liked that. I wasn't one of them.
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Guess I'm a few years too young to have ever been impressed by Suzi.
When she had her heyday I was not yet interested in girls in leather catsuits. :mrgreen:
Never cared for her voice. Too shrill.
Never cared for her bass playing. Nothing special.
Never cared for her hits. Can the can, 48 crash, Devil gate drive etc
But you gotta give it to her she's still out there playing bass.
I don't really see the parallel with David Lee Roth?
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Being too young to have experienced something is actually a good thing, since obviously it's better to be young than old. I never really kept up with Suzi Quatro too much, but I never kept up much with Van Halen, either. The main reason being that I honestly couldn't stand David Lee Roth's vocals. Still, I wouldn't go so far as to call him crappy. He did have a few good moments and I think Suzi Quatro had even more. In DLR's case, I try to be sympathetic toward him as much as I can. Because I think he probably realizes he has very little talent.
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In Suzi's defense; I believe to remember her producers sped up the tape to make her voice seem higher. Which to my ears never sounded very pleasant.
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Americans are at a disadvantage when it comes to Suzi Quatro. Even to this day many Americans know her more for the fictional TV character she played on Happy Days than anything else. That's being seriously out of touch with what was going on with her on the international level. But it was really no one's fault. It's just the way things turned out.
https://youtu.be/igktxTJfr3I?t=259
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Her only Top 40 hit in the US was Stumblin' In with Chris Norman, and that probably wouldn't have charted if she hadn't appeared on Happy Days. It was soft pop so didn't showcase her as a rocker but at least it showed that she could sing well without the high pitched shrill vocals.
Most of her singles never charted at all here.
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The Chinn-Chapman hit factory was a European phenomenon - whether the assembly-line-manufactured-hits built largely on 50ies rock'n'roll style elements were performed by Sweet, Mud, Suzi Quatro, Smokie (less archaic rock'n'roll, more country rock influence) or Racey (back to 50ies rock'n'roll).
It's not like Chinn-Chapman didn't have hits in the US, they just didn't have that one continuous hit vehicle like Sweet or Suzi in her heyday. But these here were all Chinn-Chapman or Chapman by himself songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnzc5FlnFPw
(This is basically a Hot Chocolate number written for a US act.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dxydtIBVTg
(Pop hard rock version of the previous Smokie country pop number, see below.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKbaGRKKogE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVZOLV9SPo
And of course Chapman was the man behind Blondie's stellar ascent from CBGB garage band to pop glimmerati as their stalinist, but highly effective producer.
Rob is right about the early Suzi Quatro RAK hits being speeded up for the screamy effect, but she was actually the first to grow tired of this and wanted a change of style which is why by her third album Detroit funk crept in and she sang in a lower register. That new style, however, did not repeat the chart success of the early singles. But it should find favor or at least mercy with Rob who generally likes any type of rock with black RnB influx. One day, Holländer, I tell you, we're gonna ask for that blood sample and find out how adventurous your ancestors really were! :-* :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NJDjbI8N8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MnWdxb3psU
Suzi has beccome a lot more rootsy over the decades (she was never a cutting edge artist).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXn-x-OvRfA
(The tall young man playing the Telecaster is Richard Tuckey - nowadays also her producer making her albums sound more contemporary and less nostalgia act -, her son from her first marriage with Len Tuckey who played guitar on all her 70ies hits.)
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David Lee Roth was charismatic (if you liked his Jim Dandy shtick), but he was/is also tone deaf. He had a masculine voice, but couldn't sing (live even less so than in the studio). His screams were hardly ever in tune real falsetto screams like Ian Gillan in his heyday or Rob Halford, Geoff Tate, Sebastian Bach and Steven Tyler. DLR just made noises with his throat akin to random guitar harmonics over the melee. But none of that really mattered when he fronted VH - then he was the rock god incarnate. And Michael Anthony's excellent backing vocals were strong enough for people to recognize the songs. Plus at least half the audience came only for Eddie anyway. And DLR was the larger than life conferencier to all that. He was effective in that role, no doubt also helped by the fact that in pre-youtube days not every VH performance was up to merciless post-gig scrutiny. (I don't think it is a coincidence that VH during their heyday from 1978 to 1985 never released an official live recording even as a stop-gap when they were low on new material as with Diver Down - there must have been concerns even with DLR rerecording his vocals for a "live" album in the studio. To this day, there is no official live recording from that era which for a band of VH's standing and commercial clout is outright strange.)
Musically, I preferred Van Hagar - they finally got the original singer from Montrose in, the band early Van Halen patterned itself so much after. But I accept that the DLR fronted band is to many people the legendary line-up - and it was DLR's (word for word and note for note painstakingly recorded in bits and pieces) voice that graced that pivotal VH debut which influenced heavy music forever. Eddie might not have liked that particular legacy, but basically all hair metal bands and very many AOR bands of the 80ies took inspiration from the original Van Halen blueprint.
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His screams were hardly ever in tune real falsetto screams like Ian Gillan in his heyday or Rob Halford, Geoff Tate, Sebastian Bach and Steven Tyler. DLR just made noises with his throat akin to random guitar harmonics over the melee.
I don't think they have to be necessarily. Or were intended to be.
Much like James Browns' screams.
When Sammy Hagar joined Van Halen I lost interest. Sammy doesn't have the sense of humor and the wit. Nor the swing that DLR brought to VH.
And his singing on Dreams sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me.
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You might be on to something, more like a percussive effect then.
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https://youtu.be/Ss1EyyXL4Gk
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Wot, no EB(-1)?
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Wot, no EB(-1)?
The brown finish would have clashed with Felix's pants.
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I believe this is an EB 14.
https://youtu.be/8IZcpjvVZi4
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Yep, it is.
I love Blackberry Smoke. :toast:
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Yeah, he played it for a couple of years.
Ugly as hell, those were good basses.
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Nice funky fat tone from this EB3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKIGyTEXiOg
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This one has Felix on the EB/EB-1
https://youtu.be/AQ8ZKb1MWZ4
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And heartthrob Uschi Nerke announcing it.
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And heartthrob Uschi Nerke announcing it.
That's some hair!
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No extensions either! Everything was real back then, even the bands played live in Beat-Club.
It was actually a show with a high reputation in its time, Anglo-American bands would queue up to be on it. An unusual format, live in the studio, but no audience. And it did break a few international groups in Germany - they went out of their way in that show to get a good sound of the bands (and had their own back line available, hence the abundance of Orange rigs with different acts) When Beat-Club was on, you watched, whether you knew the band or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuRSsvBjNJc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeyt9wNYhnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gha79UZVRk0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQnPz6TpGc&list=RDCMUCYyFEZ-3Hy4pdLFctDtRu3w&start_radio=1
Thankfully, Anna Mae sings "turning" and "burning", not "toining" and "boining" - that Californian poser! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Alice Cooper.............. What a great band back then!
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Yes, they had that underground edge before Vince took thinks too far with the Vaudeville elements.
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The one Sex Pistols bassist who knew how to play with his OTHER band and a banjo tuners Junior shape EB0 (+ a very young Billy Idol in the studio audience) ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GItYYhWrWgo
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Sid was a Sex Pistols bassist in name only. He was a stage prop.
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Ouch!
Or as Herr Lydon once mischievously observed on the subject of the original bassist’s departure: "Glen was actually secretly starting to become pretty good … I mean you just you can’t have that with people!" ;D
Re Sid, in fairness I've heard worse ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0O0XAC9zzE
... though not with a professional band. But people were coming to see the legend, not Jack Bruce.
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There was probably someone hiding in back playing the actual notes.
Johnny said Glen played too many B7 chords.
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Ouch!
Or as Herr Lydon once mischievously observed on the subject of the original bassist’s departure: "Glen was actually secretly starting to become pretty good … I mean you just you can’t have that with people!" ;D
Re Sid, in fairness I've heard worse ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0O0XAC9zzE
... though not with a professional band. But people were coming to see the legend, not Jack Bruce.
That's serviceable.
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Minority program, affirmative action, wokeness! A leftie whose day job is usually with Uriah Heep (Dave Rimmer) on an SG Bass. Though what you hear on audio is actually Rex Brown playing, possibly with his Signature TBird. It sure sounds like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwWAQnFJQYI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K37V1KwROU
Let's do get back to righty bassists though after this sociological detour.
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https://youtu.be/vKvynim8JHo
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I knew the Eric Burdon, Edgar Winter and David Lee Roth versions, but not this. Not a bad rendition (nice harmonies) though they look and move like a bunch of stiffers!
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This was the only hit version.
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That doesn't surprise me, it's the most commercial, pop-shiny and 45 rpm/7"-suitable one by a stretch.
In the late 60ies, early 70ies, Eric Burdon's status in Germany was thus that his percussive version with a fledgling War was the most widely known. Never a single, it was, however, a popular dance floor stomper in rock discos and widely identified with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTb_2eQjnVI
And the Winter Brothers crowd (back then, people were interchangeably Johnny and Edgar Winter fans) of course swore by this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af0rV6dli_o
I think all three versions have merit. Little Winter's feverish sax playing (he learned his Charlie Parker well!) basically emulating his big brother's frantic guitar is a treat, but hardly singles material!
And then there is this here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysui3yZrG2o
Now we all know, David Lee Roth can't sing, but here he actually does a decent job considering his inherent limits and that it is live.
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https://youtu.be/vKvynim8JHo
Ooooh nice Barney Kessel. Rich man's Höfner Ambassador ;)
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I grew up with Edgar Winter's White Trash live album and loved Tobacco Road. I like Roth's version too.
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DLR's version isn't awful, but I wouldn't call it sensitive. Nor refer to Steve Vai as the progenitor of Delta Blues.
Let's give the man credit who actually wrote it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14R7HpAVUh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT8p3Nti0n8
Will you still speak with me if I confess that until a few seconds ago I would have sworn that John D. Loudermilk was a black man? ??? :-[
But then I wouldn't have envisaged that a band called The Nashville Teens would stem from Surrey. Or one called Sir Douglas Quintet coming from San Antonio either!
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Uwe, thanks for the Eric Burden cut - I hadn't hear it before. That a great cut and is indeed a stomper, and I can hear the beginnings of War in that music. I can also hear a relationship to BS&T and other bands of the era.
But what was in my memory was the slower more traditional versions. I'd have been surprised to hear what the tune actually was after hearing the Burden version.
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Will you still speak with me if I confess that until a few seconds ago I would have sworn that John D. Loudermilk was a black man? ??? :-[
But then I wouldn't have envisaged that a band called The Nashville Teens would stem from Surrey. Or one called Sir Douglas Quintet coming from San Antonio either!
John D. was a cousin to the Louvin Brothers (whose family name was also Loudermilk) so I knew he was white way back in the 50s. If you had heard any of his country releases back in the late 50s to mid 60s, you would have thought so too.
I'm always pleased when people know him at all. Despite all the hits he wrote, he's still largely unknown.
Until I saw this some years ago, I never knew of his association with the Allmans, or that Break My Mind, a country hit for George Hamilton IV in the 60s, was originally written for the Allmans.
https://youtu.be/BIaRz94MAHQ
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EB-2 basses are the coolest but we already knew that. 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_ay91xAn44
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Chris Dreja with an EB2 and a lead guitarist I've never seen or heard of, didn't amount to much I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb5kv4yiGjY&list=RD0n3OepDn5GU&index=3
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Chris Dreja with an EB2 and a lead guitarist I've never seen or heard of, didn't amount to much I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb5kv4yiGjY&list=RD0n3OepDn5GU&index=3
If you copy the link from a playlist, the video won't show up, only a link. Copy the URL from the share button, and it will.
https://youtu.be/Cb5kv4yiGjY
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Nice EB-2D in the vid, so that you don't have to look at Joe Osborn's Fender Jazz, only hear it ;)
https://youtu.be/RsY8l0Jg3lY
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Sounds like the intro was doubled on an electric piano as well (Hohner Pianet, maybe)? I wonder how many bassists tried to get the sound of a picked Jazz Bass from a shortscale Gibson off the back of this video!
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Give me an EB2 and I'll get you that Fender-y sound. I'll just stick a Bill Lawrence/Epi pickup under the mud cover.
https://youtu.be/jWxOcdySqZs
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If you copy the link from a playlist, the video won't show up, only a link. Copy the URL from the share button, and it will.
https://youtu.be/Cb5kv4yiGjY
I was wondering, danke!
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Give me an EB2 and I'll get you that Fender-y sound. I'll just stick a single coil under the mud cover.
https://youtu.be/jWxOcdySqZs
Do you still have that Bill Lawrence/Epi pickup under there?
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Oh yes. BTW It's a stacked humbucker, not a single coil. I've edited my post.
Korean made, but the package says "Designed and made in the USA"...
(https://www.strat-talk.com/data/attachments/407/407262-d2933e3a9e8ea0cf4dd693f8eca416ff.jpg)
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Thanks, Ilan. I should have guessed that it would be a humbucker, Bill didn't design many single coils.
What kind of foam is that?
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Actually, it sounds that way more like an SB 400 than a Fender. Which it essentially is.
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What kind of foam is that?
iirc it was insulating foam used in air conditioning piping. It's dense and keeps the pickup in place with no rattle.
Actually, it sounds that way more like an SB 400 than a Fender. Which it essentially is.
That must be at least in part due to its placement at the neck.
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Jack Bruce navigates some tricky jazz rock fusion. Killer bass tone!
https://youtu.be/cNfy3Urhtsc
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https://youtu.be/JtvGR8UX1L0
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Legend has it that that scene from Spinal Tap was inspired by the Ian Gillan Band's failed mid-seventies attempt to teach jazz fusion to the denim brigade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFdaqfM7BnA
I loved what they did back then, but I was a negligible minority. Mostly, it went straight over people's heads. People who liked fusion didn't want to be caught with a record featuring Ian Gillan and Purple fans didn't know what to make of it.
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Good stuff, I wasn't aware of it.
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I love IGB, it's probably my favorite "Purple members gone astray"-outside project, it was also Ian Gillan's comeback from his 1973 self-chosen retirement from the rock scene three years later. But the "ex-singer of Deep Purple"-albatross around his neck was a weighty one plus it was the dawn of Punk. And IGB were paired with unlikely acts such as Black Sabbath, Nazareth and Thin Lizzy as an opening act, they probably should have gone out with someone like Gentle Giant or even Return To Forever, but again Ian's Purple pedigree overshadowed everything. After three studio albums and a successful tour of Japan (the only market where they had an impact), they lost their recording contract with Island Records (who hadn't known what to do with them in the first place) and folded. Ian only retained the (excellent) keyboard player Colin Towns to found the more hard-rocking and straightforward, but still edgy and off-the-wall 'Gillan' (the band).
IGB did really interesting, clever + musical stuff, fusion rock done differently with a voice not in the usual RnB vein of other fusion acts (to the extent they have a singer at all); John Gustafson's flangered WAL bass sound and Mark Nauseef's intricate drumming left quite a footprint on the music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kK0sDjjXJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LlClLhLKvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlqsYuJtS-w
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I'm not really a fan of their surf sound or whatever it is. But it sure beats anything I'm trying to do at the moment (which is basically nothing Lol.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tMZQ92DroI
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Is it very sexist if I say that her pick technique still needs some development? :-X It reminds me of Gaye Advert,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA58GjoTmes
the Joan Jett of EB-0 bass playing.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/licensed-image?q=tbn:ANd9GcTlJy9IPZDqFRFthoU_gsXMGklbVYI8DU3eTPPl9XkbJXp7da240cP7f3bp72Nnfjnpupu2g6vv5Xg0t3k)
(https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/top..-5.jpg)
(https://rockrollrepeatforever.com/cdn/shop/products/GayeAtTheVortex1977_591x.jpg?v=1611547543)
The music of the Dracu-las ain't bad.
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Interesting headstock decal on that EB-0.
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Ouch, I hadn't seen that, I wouldn't have posted it otherwise. That is actually a misdemeanor in Germany, the swastika is verboten (and for good reason too) unless it is in a historical context, which Gaye's EB-0 doesn't qualify for even after nearly half a century when it was photographed. I don't believe any political convictions possessed her at the time (she was 21 back then and later worked in social services in the UK, after she put her Punk career behind her). It was for the Punk shock effect, file under Johnny Rotten singing in poor taste "Belsen was a gas". I was never too happy about Jimmy Page's or Scott Weiland's SS hats either (Weiland stopped wearing it after criticism, Page claimed it was pre-Nazi era, which was nonsense).
If anybody wants it taken down here, just send me an email and I'll do so.
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Interesting headstock decal on that EB-0.
Not a Gibson, either.
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In listening to the Dracu-las, it seemed like especially their early music was maybe too influenced by surf music. But that's just the way it goes. Also, it seems somebody in the band must have been listening to the Ventures a lot. I just think it might be better to develop a slightly more original indie rock sound. But everybody goes through stuff like this in one way or another. As far as that goes, I'm also sure there would be some who think an indie rock sound isn't a good idea, either. Subjectivity in all these things is unavoidable.
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Not a Gibson, either.
Now you‘re really clobbering me, Dave, Axis Power insignia AND Axis Power production origin?! Next thing you‘re telling me the strings are the famed Mussolini brand from Italy!!!
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Now you‘re really clobbering me, Dave, Axis Power insignia AND Axis Power production origin?! Next thing you‘re telling me the strings are the famed Mussolini brand from Italy!!!
Just an observation, that's all. Obviously a copy.
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To my defense: The T-shirt slogan distracted me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX8Nj8ABEI8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX8Nj8ABEI8
Great cut!! Loved the Wolfman, loved the song.
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We even had him in Germany, he did a radio show for the American Forces network (AFN).
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Jack Bruce with trusty EB-3, playing off-kilter jazz rock. Graham Bond on organ!
https://youtu.be/vgjpEEGhAYI
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Nice!
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Outstanding! I had never seen that video of Jack before.
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I can't understand most of this, but it's obviously some kind of discussion about the Moontan album. Rinus Gerritsen is playing a Gibson here just like on the album. Starting at 1:13.
https://youtu.be/WmtbVygZS9c
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Greg Arama kills on his EB3, bass solo included, in 1970 with the Amboy Dukes, eating up the whole mix and drowning a 22-years-old Theodore Anthony Nugent and his pre-relic'ed Byrdland and BIG HAIR. Poor Ted choked on the mud :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWQykDf5V6w
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Something odd happening in the cutaway of that Byrdland. The the binding looks good, but the wood looks knocked in.
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Am I nuts, or is there no A string on that EB3?
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Black tapewound A, I think.
(https://i.imgur.com/0talnmg.jpeg)
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Or one of those coated roundwound sets.
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Something odd happening in the cutaway of that Byrdland. The the binding looks good, but the wood looks knocked in.
Looks like a cutaway stinger. Gibson paints stingers in the volute area as a special treat. Never seen one inside a cutaway, but Byrdlands are special.
His '62 doesn't have it.
(https://sweetspot-guitars.de/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/08/1965-Gibson-Byrdland-Natural-Stinger_21.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/www.vintageguitar.com/wp-content/uploads/GIBSONBYRDLAND_01.jpg)
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Mismatching strings seems to have happened a bit with the Rivoli the Yardbirds employed.
(https://i.imgur.com/oBNokl5.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lRRJ0Xl.jpeg)
At a guess, if you broke a string on the road you had few options. Factory original strings, as supplied with the bass, then whatever meagre selection was available.
I tried the Rotosound black tapes on my Rivoli briefly but really didn't get what they were about, tonally or in terms of feel.
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I tried the Roto black tapes once. That's all it took. LaBellas and D'addarios are miles better.
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I tried the Roto black tapes once. That's all it took. LaBellas and D'addarios are miles better.
Roto Tru Bass 88 were my tapewounds of choice in my black nylon days, both for tone and feel. I had them on my '77 Jazz. They are what you hear on Lou Reed's Walk on the Wild Side, btw.
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Roto Tru Bass 88 were my tapewounds of choice in my black nylon days, both for tone and feel. I had them on my '77 Jazz. They are what you hear on Lou Reed's Walk on the Wild Side, btw.
Maybe the quality has slipped over time? My set had a weird, clackity plastic tone, acoustically. Amplified they had detuned, springy rattling 'boing' to them. The E string in particular just sent out a weird array of harmonic overtones, with a rumbly undefined fundamental. They felt like a product that had another application, and somebody decided to fit a ball-end and market as a string.
Herbie Flowers was able to master them, but he is a monster player and musician, which maybe helps!
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Lou Reed is on my never, ever listen to list.
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Lou Reed is on my never, ever listen to list.
I can unequivocally say I was never a fan.
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clackity plastic tone, acoustically
I liked it with a pick and some palm mute. Other tapewounds I tried were boomy and felt a bit sticky/rubbery. It's down to personal preferences, I guess. I went back long ago to stainless steel flats on some basses and rounds on others.
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1961 EB-0 at Normans Rare Guitars
https://youtu.be/lgpmfZ5Z6ek?si=1VKCuKYfZawuq-qI&t=185
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgpmfZ5Z6ek (skip to 3.08 for actual playing)
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My set had a weird, clackity plastic tone, acoustically. Amplified they had detuned, springy rattling 'boing' to them. The E string in particular just sent out a weird array of harmonic overtones, with a rumbly undefined fundamental. T
Amen to that, Brother Alan!
Lou Reed had great moments. As you would expect from someone who impressed David Bowie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc26EFI1_nw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqpWTC-rvhQ
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That EB-0 sounds great,as I expected it would.
Lou Reed :puke:
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That EB-0 sounds great,as I expected it would.
I still can't shake off the feeling that the tone knob is at 2/10 even when it's fully open.
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That EB-0 sounds great,as I expected it would.
Lou Reed :puke:
You can bet he's in the RRHOF, though. But no matter what you say, there will be someone to counter it by saying how much they love him and how wonderful the Velvet Underground was. I was talking to a bassist friend about how much I didn't like Reed. He said "Oh, he has always been my wife's favorite artist." ;D
https://loudwire.com/lou-reed-metallica-lulu-album-anniversary/
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Now, now, we wouldn't want that sound too clanky, would we?
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Now, now, we wouldn't want that sound too clanky, would we?
All in all, you need a Fender to get the best clanky sound. Not that that's always a bad thing of course. I'm not a big fan of the clanky sound, preferring old school deep bass. But sometimes something else is needed. The bassist for the Belgian band Brutus I've posted about gets a clanky sound a lot with his Fenders. However, he also seems to be fond of his Ripper, Grabber and RD Artist basses.
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All in all, you need a Fender to get the best clanky sound. Not that that's always a bad thing of course. I'm not a big fan of the clanky sound, preferring old school deep bass. But sometimes something else is needed. The bassist for the Belgian band Brutus I've posted about gets a clanky sound a lot with his Fenders. However, he also seems to be fond of his Ripper, Grabber and RD Artist basses.
When I listen to some of Entwhistle's soloed tracks, especially Baba O'Riley, I'm surprised at how clanky the sound is. But it worked well in the mix.
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When I listen to some of Entwhistle's soloed tracks, especially Baba O'Riley, I'm surprised at how clanky the sound is. But it worked well in the mix.
I've listened to the song several times through the years, including live versions. But there was never much about it which got my attention. Entwistle's reputation was well-deserved. But with a few exceptions, such as "I Can See For Miles," in general, I never seemed to get The Who. It was like it was with U2. I wanted to like them, but never seemed able to.
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Andy Scott giving new meaning to the term air guitar during his 'solo' and lest we forget: Steve Priest on an EB-0. He had a habit of using as many different basses for TV appearances as he could, I rule out that it was anywhere near a recording studio when they taped Turn It Down (one of the worst and noisiest Sweet numbers ever).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP2iinyuY10
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First off, EB3-ish. Second of all, I'm not sure it's even a Gibson, with its 3-way toggle switch, tuning pegs, weird truss rod cover and headstock inlay. The guitar is of course el cheapo LP, you wouldn't treat a real gibson this way (unless you're Townshend).
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Don't be so harsh, Ilan, I'll crawl back under my rock, promise!
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First off, EB3-ish. Second of all, I'm not sure it's even a Gibson, with its 3-way toggle switch, tuning pegs, weird truss rod cover and headstock inlay. The guitar is of course el cheapo LP, you wouldn't treat a real gibson this way (unless you're Townshend).
The guitar is a Pearl with a set neck.
Nothing wrong with those. Certainly not el cheapo quality.
Can't quite make out what EB-3 it is though.
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Weighing my words carefully here now: Steve Priest with something that is apparently not a Fender Precision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqketmsRz1E
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Too blurry to be sure about that.
Looks like the tug bar is not in the Gibson location, the pickguard's contour following the lower cutaway near the neck joint also doesn't look correct for a vintage Gibson, and the mud cover looks a bit too wide, like Greco EB3's.
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I could have well have been a Greco, Steve Priest wasn't particular. His Danelectro early on when they were still Bubblegum (followed by a Jazz Bass), in Sweet's glam hard rock phase a Ric 4001 and in their later career a TBird were probably the basses you saw him most with. But he was keen to get his hands on anything else for sheer variety and looks.
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Fledgling Ronnie and his EB-0 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmaMf4gqeHk
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https://youtu.be/O81IMW3yhRs
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I had no idea there was a video of this. Best song from this band, after Jan Errico (Vejtables drummer/vocalist) joined. Written by Stephen Stills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48bZK8IpVJo
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Wasn’t Stills’ dad a State Department official seconded to South America, with the family living there and little gringo Stephen raised under the influence of Latin American music?
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I had no idea there was a video of this. Best song from this band, after Jan Errico (Vejtables drummer/vocalist) joined. Written by Stephen Stills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48bZK8IpVJo
Different strokes for different folks...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_QYVHDOMUw
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^^^
Great comeback. :mrgreen:
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It was captioned “a modern love song” at the time …
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tbIAAOSw97tlI-~z/s-l1600.jpg)
In the gigs at the time DC would heartily enhance it with the stage announcement to his mostly male adolescent audience of Hopefully, your tarts will be whispering this to you tonight!
Innocent days.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ7r7M7sNFk
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Nicely ferocious! I didn't recognize a long-haired Chris Spedding though the glasses were of course a giveaway.
I have him somehow jotted down with shorter hair (sans glasses).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJLmFOrLrro
What never changed was that he was a very introverted performer as a guitarist, not really enjoying ourselves here, are we Chris? ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-y0KqR4Ha4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3OrNJn0koQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ8ZKb1MWZ4
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Sheryl Crow rocking a 1962 EB-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8E7RzYWhqs
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She's so petite, it looks huge on her!
I'm glad she stopped the C&W diversion/nonsense and is now back to what she does best.
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She's so petite, it looks huge on her!
I'm glad she stopped the C&W diversion/nonsense and is now back to what she does best.
Writing shitty pop songs?
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Come on Dave. Have you heard what's on the radio these days? Nothing but really shitty pop songs. Generic pulp. AI generated crap.
Sheryl Crow can actually sing, write and play.
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Come on Dave. Have you heard what's on the radio these days? Nothing but really shitty pop songs. Generic pulp. AI generated crap.
Sheryl Crow can actually sing, write and play.
100%
"Alarm Clock" could almost be a Garbage song.
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Come on Dave. Have you heard what's on the radio these days? Nothing but really shitty pop songs. Generic pulp. AI generated crap.
Sheryl Crow can actually sing, write and play.
No, I haven't heard anything on the radio these days, no doubt you're right. That doesn't make her songwriting any less shitty.
You don't bring me anything but down
Everything is crashing to the groun'
or
I'm gonna soak up the sun
I'm gonna tell everyone to lighten up
Over and over again. Very deep. :rolleyes:
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No, I haven't heard anything on the radio these days, no doubt you're right. That doesn't make her songwriting any less shitty.
You don't bring me anything but down
Everything is crashing to the groun'
or
I'm gonna soak up the sun
I'm gonna tell everyone to lighten up
Over and over again. Very deep. :rolleyes:
"Incense and peppermints, the color of time...."
"In-a-gadda-da-vida..."
"Rumor spreadin' 'round
In that Texas town
About that shack outside La Grange..."
Classic rock has many of those deep and meaningful lyrics...
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:rimshot:
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"Incense and peppermints, the color of time...."
"In-a-gadda-da-vida..."
"Rumor spreadin' 'round
In that Texas town
About that shack outside La Grange..."
Classic rock has many of those deep and meaningful lyrics...
"La Grange" was meaningful enough for "American Songwriter" to have an article about it.
https://americansongwriter.com/the-meaning-behind-the-controversial-blues-rock-song-la-grange-by-zz-top/#:~:text=The%20Best%20Little%20Whorehouse%20in,Best%20Little%20Whorehouse%20in%20Texas.
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"Incense and peppermints, the color of time...."
"In-a-gadda-da-vida..."
"Rumor spreadin' 'round
In that Texas town
About that shack outside La Grange..."
Classic rock has many of those deep and meaningful lyrics...
Completely irrelevant.
I never said that there aren't other inane lyrics out there, nor did I say that there aren't other idiotic pop songs on the radio. We're not into comparative shittiness, are we?
I'll stand by my opinion: she writes shitty pop songs.
"La Grange" was meaningful enough for "American Songwriter" to have an article about it.
https://americansongwriter.com/the-meaning-behind-the-controversial-blues-rock-song-la-grange-by-zz-top/#:~:text=The%20Best%20Little%20Whorehouse%20in,Best%20Little%20Whorehouse%20in%20Texas.
I suspect that Al is well aware of the story. He spent some years teaching at Texas A&M. Poor guy.
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^^^
Most people know the story. All I was pointing out is that American Songwriter had actually gone to the trouble of writing an article about it. Most of what I see from American Songwriter gets my attention. Not necessarily because it's an American publication, but because it's just so good. That particular article on ZZ Top was actually pretty short, though.
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Pop music is never good unless it has meaningful lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj059o9OwqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfRZNNyQoF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv5cXss5cPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsT4GUs0kFM
I therefore wholeheartedly support Dave on this with a resounding ...
a-wop-bop-a-loo-bop-a-wop-bam-boom !!!
If the man has chosen to dislike something, he's never short of arguments. :mrgreen: Now wait for his: "Nothing you can say or write will change my view, harrumph!" :rimshot:
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I suspect that Al is well aware of the story. He spent some years teaching at Texas A&M. Poor guy.
Makes little difference, but I headed up a radio/TV/satellite production unit. I did teach one semester which was a fun experience.
I planned to be there 5 years, but we had kids and I decided that the ticket to get out to a better position in higher ed was a PhD. It took another 8 years before we escaped to a great gig in Colorado, and that has been wonderful!
Met a lot of nice people there, saw many things around that pretty fascinating state and learned a lot (some of it the hard way), but my wife and I were both are extremely grateful for escaping from the cultural mindset in Texas.
All that said, I'm up for a trip to the Riverwalk in San Antonio any time. ;D
And don't think for a moment that especially back in the day before the campus went co-ed, those A&M cadets didn't know where the goodies were in TX and how to access them.
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Makes little difference, but I headed up a radio/TV/satellite production unit. I did teach one semester which was a fun experience.
I planned to be there 5 years, but we had kids and I decided that the ticket to get out to a better position in higher ed was a PhD. It took another 8 years before we escaped to a great gig in Colorado, and that has been wonderful!
Met a lot of nice people there, saw many things around that pretty fascinating state and learned a lot (some of it the hard way), but my wife and I were both are extremely grateful for escaping from the cultural mindset in Texas.
All that said, I'm up for a trip to the Riverwalk in San Antonio any time. ;D
And don't think for a moment that especially back in the day before the campus went co-ed, those A&M cadets didn't know where the goodies were in TX and how to access them.
I understand. Truth is, no matter what your own cultural mindset, there are pluses and minuses to every state.
As for the Chicken Ranch, just about every boy in Houston had heard about the place way back when I was in high school.
Pop music is never good unless it has meaningful lyrics.
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Again, utterly irrelevant to my opinion of Sheryl Crow's shitty songwriting.
You can post another 30 videos, Blazer-style, and they will still be irrelevant.
Also, Louie Louie wasn't unclear in its original version. But you know this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4woOaEIevnE
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Not unclear, but badly untuned! :mrgreen:
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Herr Dunaway and a sultry talent called Fiona Silver start kissin' everything in sight - with his green/mirrored heavily customized EB-3-or-whatever-it-was (good shot of it at 02:58)!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boVyBHcOAJM
She's does that kind of stuff well, even when no Gibson bass is involved, even Dave should approve ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tX6YurriOE
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This is a band which seems to be achieving some local success at small venues. Still, I didn't even know about them until I saw this video with a Gibson bass. They're a little too post-punk pop rock for my taste. But I genuinely wish them success and maybe they will get it, too.
https://www.spin.com/2023/07/gloom-girl-mfg-nashville-interview/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNze9ZOxa1k
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Oh, I really like that! Bit like an over-ecstatic Chrissie Hynde. And it's always nice to hear a chick play solos who does not sound like a man while doing it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHwgM82dufk
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Oh, I really like that! Bit like an over-ecstatic Chrissie Hynde. And it's always nice to hear a chick play solos who does not sound like a man while doing it.
I read that she has been playing guitar for quite a while. As for Chrissie Hynde, I liked her okay. But I would prefer more of a rock voice like the April Art singer for this Nashville band. Anyway, considering that Nashville is so competitive, this Gloom Girl MFG seems to be doing well. In Nashville it seems that rock is more underground and is even geared more toward young people than most other places. Even though I could, I doubt seriously I would go to a Gloom Girl concert. Definitely wouldn't fit in. Besides, like I said, the music is probably a little too post-punk for me anyway.
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This is a band which seems to be achieving some local success at small venues. Still, I didn't even know about them until I saw this video with a Gibson bass. They're a little too post-punk pop rock for my taste. But I genuinely wish them success and maybe they will get it, too.
https://www.spin.com/2023/07/gloom-girl-mfg-nashville-interview/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNze9ZOxa1k
I dug that. Singer is good, band is high energy, the tune is good. Probably the first time I've seen one of those LP DC basses in a real video.
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I dug that. Singer is good, band is high energy, the tune is good. Probably the first time I've seen one of those LP DC basses in a real video.
Like I said, it was the Gibson bass which got my attention. I watched several more of their videos and the LP DC tribute bass is prominent in them, too. As for the band itself, I honestly wish I liked them a little more. Because I do think they're worthy of consideration. But there are so many bands I'm trying to keep up with now. Plus, I'm buying too many CDs lately and trying to cut down a little. I haven't even listened to all the CDs I already have.