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Bret and Scott were talking about Midnight Oil in Bret's Armageddon thread and whilst I was clinging to the debris in the flood I found this to start his one up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXvsd5S2H-8
Rather irritatingly it has to be watched on youtube I've just discovered... :rolleyes:
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Anybody can come up with something earlier than this? This was 64 and the TBird barely out as shipping didn't commence til late 63. That TBird and the accompanying Firebird must have cost The Merseybeats a fortune, but it sure gave them an immediately recognizable look. Of course the audio is entirely studio dubbed (and judging from the quality several decades later).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffpr7JJvZso&playnext=1&list=PL9FEEECA7807432FD&index=21
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Bret and Scott were talking about Midnight Oil in Bret's Armageddon thread and whilst I was cling to the debris in the flood I found this to start his one up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXvsd5S2H-8
Rather irritatingly it has to be watched on youtube I've just discovered... :rolleyes:
Not available in my country??? wtf.
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Anybody can come up with something earlier than this? This was 64 and the TBird barely out as shipping didn't commence til late 63. That TBird and the accompanying Firebird must have cost The Merseybeats a fortune, but it sure gave them an immediately recognizable look. Of course the audio is entirely studio dubbed (and judging from the quality several decades later).
You showed an admirable restraint not mentioning the bassplayer's name...;)
Johnny Gustafson! Can't advertise him enough.
Here's Cliff with a non-reverse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dRlUkPE3UA
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Not videos, but here's some various footage of TBs in the wild...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj9Rs56u8YY
(note: watch out for the volume after that last clip...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niDmkXnWdVA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFiDkSy6cOU
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That Chambers Brothers clip is fantastic !
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This thread could not be complete without ... (and no nasty stadium rock comments either, Dave!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Godjmw-oY&feature=related
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If you look closely, you can see David Martin and his Thunderbird here. This had to be sometime in 1965 because Woolly Bully was released early in the year, and David and the rest of the band quit late in the year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNVm8yl-Sc
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Ze mighty Donnervogel even landed in Bicentennial fashion with proggies in Deutschland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbNGYqLXvXk
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This thread could not be complete without ... (and no nasty stadium rock comments either, Dave!):
....
Why? Is it arena rock claiming to be classic blues? :P
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkE8g4kncM&playnext=1&list=PL14A8194B85E1544D&index=18
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C84cS-5ofU0
Did someone say Thunderbird?
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This topic has been moved to its rightful home. Those Brits are a disorganizsed lot.
:P ;)
Suprisingly difficult to find a decent vid with Way playing one... go figure...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCSllcUYuC8
Overend...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CFUuN__7tE
... and how could we have a thread without including a bit of NR and a certain gentleman...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p75AQNTIIYE
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:P ;)
Suprisingly difficult to find a decent vid with Way playing one... go figure...
You typed the wrong band when searching Kenny :P:. Here's some premium Pete posing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQyOZgrtP3s
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Uwe I don't think the Brits look that disorganizsed ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0-fVLCnsBs
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Some guys love Jaco...................
Let me say,
PETE WAY RULES!!!!!!
My alcoholic inspiration.
Thanks Uwe for originally posting this, Phil's voice is holding up real well with time ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luRZ7KVJu6Q&feature=related
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Seen that vid before ! Love the white bird! I meet Pete back in '86 while working at The House Of Guitars. Waysted did a instore, we all got backstage passes to the show, Pete and the band were great to us!
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Glenn Cornick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrtz8nLFtmU
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Not a video but a cool LP cover from 1965. Surely there must be some Four Seasons footage with the Thunderbird.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/ff8qdc.jpg)
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Not a video but a cool LP cover from 1965. Surely there must be some Four Seasons footage with the Thunderbird.
Maybe so, but I don't remember it back in the day. That's original bassist Nick Massi in that photo, I remember him playing a Precision. But he left in the mid-60s, probably not long after that cover shot. He was replaced by a lefty.
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Joe Long is the lefty's name ...... remember seeing pics of him playing an Ampeg AEB scroll .......
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Uwe I don't think the Brits look that disorganizsed ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0-fVLCnsBs
This is for Uwe as he moved Kenny's post. Said something about the Brits organizational skills. ;D
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crap. at first i thought it was a monty python bit.
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Couldn't find it seperately but did find this for you, Robert... starts at 0.16 covering Sherry Baby...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfSdvokpRMY
For no other reason than the last post made me remember this... SUPERTHUNDERSTINGCAR...!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmvrFg-EhmI
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That's it! Good detective work, Ken.
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That must have been right on the knuckle of a new instrument as a lot of their videos featuring songs from that era are dated '64 and have the leftie...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG8fugqFn9Q&feature=related
Silversun Pickups (Nikki Monninger)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSvFpBOe8eY&ob=av2el
System of a Down (Shavo Odadjian)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8nZRQe2i8Q
Motorhead (Lemmy!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxtgY5lxnqk
Nirvana (Krist Novoselic)
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Roger Glover with Rainbow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYtdW5bD-7Q
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Man, I loved that Waysted album back in the day...
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Cocky rockers from Holland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xny0opSPD1M
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Fräulein Fuchs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMDn6V7ZLhE
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Happy to be the first to post something from Tesla with long time Thunderbird player Brian Wheat, this is pretty toungue in cheek fun, he's playing a '76? with obviously modified pups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftPFhbqQusk
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Yep that was funny.
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Uwe I don't think the Brits look that disorganizsed ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0-fVLCnsBs
Pah, Brit propoganda! :mrgreen: Shooting down lonely Heinkels, Dorniers and even a lumbering Ju-87. The Battle of Britain was luckily won by the good guys, but it wasn't a feat of superior organisation, but of daring fighting spirit, sheer luck and an ill-prepared opponent:
Initially the RAF fighters suffered losses for their antiquated WW I tactics of flying closely together in larger groups (dubbed "Idiotenreihe" or idiot row by the German fighter pilots who had less losses than the RAF Fighter Command throughout, it were the German bombers which had the mounting losses) as opposed to the two fighter aircraft "Rotte" of the Luftwaffe (one guy seeking enemy aircraft, one guy protecting his butt). But the RAF learned its lesson quickly and changed tactics to the German system during the BoB.
The Luftwaffe was ill-equipped for a pure airwar, its bombers without enough bombing load and dependent on the protection by Me 109s (after defense by the twing engine long-range Me 110s failed) who had too little range to efficiently engage the RAF fighters in air combat AND keep close to the bombers.
Still, there was a short period during the BoB where British fighter losses were higher than the possible replacements, the bombing of RAF airfields, costly as it was for the Luftwaffe, was taking its toll and proving effective. Had it continued, the RAF would have been at the end of its fighter supply after a few more weeks. It was at that point (and after a Heinkel crew losts first its way and then its nerve and bombed non-strategic parts of London in order to jettison its bombs before flying home thus giving the RAF Bombers an incident for retaliation) that an RAF bomber sortie to Berlin did very little actual damage but provoked Hitler into having the Luftwaffe subsequently bomb London continuously and stop the raids to the individual RAF fighter air strips. A huge mistake/stroke of luck for us all!
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Albeit with certainly a couple of RAF airmen in their lineage, much-loved Brits Smokie ruled the German air(waves) for the second half of the seventies with their Chinn-Chapman penned country rock, Chris Norman's nasal vocals (allegedly a result of a badly cured severe flu infection) and the regular use of a Bicentennial Donnervogel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXyk-EaT4tE&feature=related
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Uwe, And I thought you were not paying attention. ;D
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Suzi Quattro and her custom made Thunderbird with 2x2 headstock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EbSYeh4LLk
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A buddy of mine still insists that no one has ever seen Suzi Quatro and Rick Derringer in the same room at the same time. ;)
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Hmmm...
(http://www.myguitarsolo.com/Players/RickDerringer.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_01/SuziQuatroREX_228x341.jpg)
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Suzi Quattro and her custom made Thunderbird with 2x2 headstock
That's a Greco.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/gcarlston/Thunderbirds/non%20Gibson%20Thunderbirds/76GrecoSB-850.jpg)
I'd like to have one of those just for the novelty factor.
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No slight intended to the RAF but the Luftwaffe was fated to lose the BoB before it started, it was a superb short range tactical airforce well suited to the blitzkreig warfare Hitler conducted on the Continent. The stratigic task of subdueing Britain was never within it's capabilities, (relatively) small numbers of twin engine bombers and short range fighters (operating on low quality, low octane often captured french or dutch avgas) were not, in the long run going to "bomb the Englanders into submission" - Again consider the airforces the Allies mustered to bomb Germany and Japan, the logistics behind those forces were never, ever possible for the Germans and out of the question for the Japanese.
The more I read about the struggle for oil in WWII the more I realize that the axis never stood a chance, Russia and the U.S.had an overwhelming advantage in every aspect of ability to wage war.
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No slight intended to the RAF but the Luftwaffe was fated to lose the BoB before it started, it was a superb short range tactical airforce well suited to the blitzkreig warfare Hitler conducted on the Continent. The stratigic task of subdueing Britain was never within it's capabilities, (relatively) small numbers of twin engine bombers and short range fighters (operating on low quality, low octane often captured french or dutch avgas) were not, in the long run going to "bomb the Englanders into submission" - Again consider the airforces the Allies mustered to bomb Germany and Japan, the logistics behind those forces were never, ever possible for the Germans and out of the question for the Japanese.
The more I read about the struggle for oil in WWII the more I realize that the axis never stood a chance, Russia and the U.S.had an overwhelming advantage in every aspect of ability to wage war.
All-in-all, I'd say Germany and Japan came to a gunfight armed with knives.
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That was even clear to the Axis Powers! Both Germany and Japan started wars knowing that they could only start them now, not 12-24 months (Germany) or even six months (Japan) later. They knew they had to win swiftly or not at all, endurance wasn't really planned. Neither had a plan for conquering the UK or the US (IMHO unconquerable by any outside power, even more so than Russia), both believed that western democracies would not pay the price of lengthy war. A typical underestimation of dictatorships about how powerful, tenacious and brimming with stamina democracies can be. Both the UK and the US suffered what were viewed as crippling defeats in France/Dunkirk and Pearl Harbor, but they were just punch drunk and got back into gear.
Winning WW II in the long run was all about resources, production facilities and manpower. And the gift of democracies to reinvent themselves under pressure, compared to dictatorships they are definitely the more adaptable system.
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Someday, when time machines are invented, there will be a photograph of a Nazi playing a Gibson bass, possibly while riding tail gunner in some form of WWII aircraft, and this board will reach a cosmic singularity. :D
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A buddy of mine still insists that no one has ever seen Suzi Quatro and Rick Derringer in the same room at the same time. ;)
She was real cute back then. Rick Deringer was never THAT cute. But covering Harley's "Come up and See me" so soon after he had taken it to the charts in his own idiosynchratic fashion was an ill choice. Suzi's version isn't a musical catastrophy with its halftime chorus and even the cheesy synth sounds, but it has none of the vengeful, arrogant sneer of Harley's original which is not a love song but a bitter outburst of his at his original Cockney Rebel bandmates who visited him after a long illness to tell him that they now wanted the band to be democratic and the songwriting split, he would have none of it, most of them joined one of the early incarnations of Be Bop de Luxe in the aftermath. Hence "the rebel" being "pulled to the floor" by their insistence to no longer perform solely his songs (which was the original deal when forming Cockney Rebel, he writes and let's them pretty much do what they want with his material). Harley today says "it was a nasty song written in an ugly mood", he was edgy after a long bout of sickness (pneumonia I think) because it reminded him of his polio-stricken childhood days where he spent more than a year in hospital. With all the bitterness and pettiness in it, he did not think it was even a single until people pressed him to release it as one. It became his milestone hit.
You've done it all, you've broken every code
And pulled the rebel to the floor
You spoilt the game, no matter what you say
For only metal - what a bore!
Blue eyes, blue eyes, how come you tell so many lies?
Come up and see me, make me smile
Or do what you want, run on wild
There's nothing left, all gone and run away
Maybe you'll tarry for a while
It's just a test, a game for us to play
Win or lose, it's hard to smile
Resist, resist, it's from yourself you have to hide
Come up and see me, make me smile
Or do what you want, run on wild
There ain't no more, you've taken everything
From my believe in Mother Earth
How can you ignore my faith in everything
When I know what Faith is and what it's worth
Away, away, and don't say maybe you'll try
Come up and see me, make me smile
Or do what you want, run on wild
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpJ0cyXbMbI&feature=related
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Someday, when time machines are invented, there will be a photograph of a Nazi playing a Gibson bass, possibly while riding tail gunner in some form of WWII aircraft, and this board will reach a cosmic singularity. :D
Cosmic singularity. What a brilliant concept. This forum should not settle for anything less.
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Swedish funk rockers Electric Boys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-K4xCGpp5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM1znf3KTlE
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Uwe, that's a new one on me. Never heard the song before yesterday, never heard of Steve Harley or Cockney Rebel until now.
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Wow...never heard of their song Sebastian either?
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No. If they were played in the US, I missed it.
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I'm not that surprised, Cockney Rebel were with their artsy/glam image, the lack of a guitarist in their original line up (they had a violinist taking that role) and Harley's overt "Britness" and highly mannered singing very much an English (not even European) phenomenon, bit like Roxy Music or Sparks (though the Mael brothers were exile yanks). He was also a former music journalist turned rock star and he had a big mouth which ensured that his former fellow scribes followed what he did closely if not sympathetically, he was always good for a contentious quote.
The cover of their first album probably turned a few heads in the US too as it had that David Bowie/Jobriath look en vogue at the time
(http://www.loeb.se/modo.jpg)
But now that Dave says it I distinctly remember that I heard a tape of it at the American school in Kinshasa only after an English fellow pupil had lent it to me (together with his Status Quo tapes, kind of an odd combination but I liked both!). Cockney Rebel's two other major hits were the quirky Mr Soft and the orchestral ballad Sebastian (which for its line "and you are so gay" became a gay anthem though Harley wasn't/isn't and claims not to have had gay rights on his mind when writing it), both from their artsy guitar-less phase:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m84qt2NGQtI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OIFk2dQcno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv4Kc0mSBsc&feature=related
"Come up and see me (Make me smile)" was after the breakup of the original line up and after Harley had tightened the reins even more calling the new line up "Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel".
He still tours and records. Clubsize gigs in Germany. Saw him last year and the one before. Mysteriously, his always thin hair has regrown too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO4ZiwzwgyQ&feature=related
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Lest we forget:
Tiran Porter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29RvK7OI2Fg&feature=related
And since we're eclectic here, listen to the industrial music: Twiggy Ramirez!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05OI1ZxeSqU&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YMc6P6UDMk
Chevelle (Dean Bernardini)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHnwF4r0LPQ
Gov't Mule (with Allen Woody on bass)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjp-Nl2aj-g
W.I.N.D. (with Fabio Drusin on bass)
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Since this was mentioned in Uwe's thread about the new Tbird, I figured you guys might like it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=houU6FjEnaI
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Oh man........That *was* a five string Studio :D :thumbsup:
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Slapping (bass) appeals to women. I always wondered why, but now I have my thoughts. You US guys have an edge though, I would imagine that parts of the anatomy that generally are remnant in Europe might dampen the strings in unwanted fashion.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwZDjF0gQZE
Anvil (Glenn Gyoffry)
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Sweet...
I knew there was one I remembered from back then... tooks some digging... not one of their better tunes but it meets the criteria required... Found two different ones of the same song...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc1sgCT7X2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3T6UqaJMgY
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Slapping (bass) appeals to women all the guys who try out basses in Guitar Center and want to show off.
Fixed that.
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Fixed that.
LOL!! :thumbsup:
I have a buddy who is very good at that type of playing. (slapping) Problem is he always does the same riff for the past 15 years I've known him. I'll only slap on the songs we play that require it.
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Fixed that.
You forgot to include all the atonal slapping by GC employees who couldn't hold down the bottom end if their lives depended on it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0brHGJ6xqbk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA8tUUrSTIw
Ok here's couple , one has vintage Ricks ;D & a reverse TBII,
Cheers Jaime
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Syndicate of Sound sure got a great sound without amps or a mic. ;)
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What would a T-bird thread be without Maya Ford?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spSjGNW7ZA8
I was at this show and loved it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jEG0-3xlAkg
fixed the link
Rob
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRONS7uAKA0&feature=related
Here's a video of my friend's stoner rock band. He's playing the Thunderbird.
He's actually the GC employee who sold me my Thunderbird at a shockingly low price. He almost got fired over it! Hats off to him.
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You guys are finding some great videos!
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I completely stumbled on this one...........When is Mott not Mott?
When they're The British Lions (featuring Mr. Watts) , double points for the Gibson Moderne!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjCAabOheak
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The Octane Saints from Richmond, VA. And yes, they are playing in a bowling alley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93rlZJT3X8M&feature=related
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Here's a cool one featuring that American Idol guy. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb1SquD3m5k
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Here's a cool one featuring that American Idol guy. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb1SquD3m5k
Actually featuring Joe Perry! I find him to be one handsome, sexy guy! :gay:
Yeah, yeah I know he's straight ;)
Bet I could make forget about that for a little while tho ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guP147T_LmM
Why not... ;D
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:) Playing that bar always reminds me of Chas Chandler's notes on the back of Slade's "Slayed" effing crazy place!
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I just found this little gem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbQ43sFDQTM
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Actually featuring Joe Perry! I find him to be one handsome, sexy guy! :gay:
Yeah, yeah I know he's straight ;)
Bet I could make forget about that for a little while tho ;)
See, one of the many things I like about you, Mark. Bravado in the face of insurmountable odds! :-*
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VWlCtn2vJzU/SWI4zIa7GTI/AAAAAAAAJsY/l9xeNYIEgiM/s400/Storch-Frosch.JPG)
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I just found this little gem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbQ43sFDQTM
Fantastic version of a real classic! I'll admit it, I like Frau Safka and still do. Nice to see a TB Studio in action too.
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I just found this little gem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbQ43sFDQTM
Kelly Ogden is as cute as Melanie is annoying. And Melanie is very annoying. But she did write the song.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4MzoyQxeC8
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I just found this little gem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbQ43sFDQTM
She's very lickable! I mean, likable!
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Kelly Ogden is as cute as Melanie is annoying. And Melanie is very annoying. But she did write the song.
Dave, I'm gonna have to agree completely with you here. While I was watching the video I kept thinking, "That sideways glace thing should be annoying me but it isn't. At all." I'm not usually even a big fan of blondes, but I'd make an exception for Ms. Ogden.
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I guess I have to be in this thread ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TS8fpnUkLE
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See, one of the many things I like about you, Mark. Bravado in the face of insurmountable odds! :-*
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VWlCtn2vJzU/SWI4zIa7GTI/AAAAAAAAJsY/l9xeNYIEgiM/s400/Storch-Frosch.JPG)
I gotta be who (and what) I am ;)
Joe's definately my kinda guy tho!
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Dave, I'm gonna have to agree completely with you here. While I was watching the video I kept thinking, "That sideways glace thing should be annoying me but it isn't. At all." I'm not usually even a big fan of blondes, but I'd make an exception for Ms. Ogden.
Well she seems to be about half blond, I wonder if red is her natural color if so I like her even more!
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She's not beautiful but she has the cute thing down pat.
I did see a pic of her awhile back in front of what appeared to be a Gibson booth at a trade show.
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Fantastic version of a real classic! I'll admit it, I like Frau Safka and still do. Nice to see a TB Studio in action too.
Uh, was there a bass in that video!? ;D
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Well she seems to be about half blond, I wonder if red is her natural color if so I like her even more!
Now that my divorce is final I'm up for volunteering to check.
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Now that my divorce is final I'm up for volunteering to check.
Ah bless you George !
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Uh, was there a bass in that video!? ;D
+1! I like 1:48 a lot.
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Mmmm... trashy! Good for a post-show roll in the back of the SUV. 8) Maybe even give her a ride back to her trailer.
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Ever see their Kohl's commercial?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-07EX29r2L4
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+1! I like 1:48 a lot.
I think I would like to be the back of that bass.
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??? There's a girl in that video.......?
All I see is a Black Thunderbird Studio ;)
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Geez, I didn't mean to start a frenzy...
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Bunch a horny old guys around here. What did you expect?
:mrgreen:
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I'm getting concerned... I'm curious as to what the guitar the guy was playing in the Kohl's video is... :o
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Bunch a horny old guys around here. What did you expect?
:mrgreen:
Well, I certainly wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.
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I'm getting concerned... I'm curious as to what the guitar the guy was playing in the Kohl's video is... :o
Looks like a First Act model. They sell low end stuff in big box retailers but maintain a custom shop of sorts for building high end stuff for artist endorsers (and anyone else with the bucks, I would imagine).
Well, I certainly wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.
;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uprjmoSMJ-o
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Reminded me of my Demetriou bass (still languishing in the shed...)
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Tbirds do pop up in the oddest places I have this clip on a 3hr BBC show called "The Story of the Guitar" if you look hard you'll see the backup Band using Firebird & a NR Tbird!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTWOwUich78
Cheers,
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Oh, I like that Everly Bros video!
Here's a question. Do old(ish) guys in purple suits look a little funny playing a T-bird? Horace Panter is a great player and has all my respect, but is the T-bird really a younger (looking) person's bass?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEnjXCuc3C8&feature=related
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I think the suit looks out of place, not the T-bird.
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How could I have forgotten Frankie (and his pornstar moustache) back when The Darkness was good, silly fun!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDZlhcA-Kmc&feature=related
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Here’s U2’s Adam Clayton Reverse & Non-reverse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_82IYrdM2vU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmBij5GkF-s
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I posted a Tesla vid earlier in the thread but chanced upon this one too ( Brian Wheat usually played 'Birds) and thought it pretty cool.........Look carefully @2:54 and you'll note it's a 5 string Non Reverse, maybe an ESP?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAq5dbz45gM&feature=related
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I can't believe we've gone 7 pages without this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxKm5PjFMHQ
I'm fairly certain this was shot on a Saturday afternoon, when the club was empty. The headline band played from 2:00 am until 6:00 back in those days. Night Gallery was easily the most fun club in Chicago back then.
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Billy linked this elsewhere but it relates to other stuff too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXmEIVKjIs
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really obscure NWOBHM - Den Stratton went on to Iron Maiden at the start
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pdQ7zI8qtY&feature=related
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MAN back in 1975 w/ a nice blue NR Tbird
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH-qoUbM3ec
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What a great band, Man! Thanks for reminding. And such a lot of interesting links it give. Like the one to the Motors, one of the best powerpop bands with steady rock! Thanks again 4005! And RDB, that Kenny linked to. Completely missed out on them, but what a great listening. Everly Bros with a wall of sound!
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I can't believe we've gone 7 pages without this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxKm5PjFMHQ
I'm fairly certain this was shot on a Saturday afternoon, when the club was empty. The headline band played from 2:00 am until 6:00 back in those days. Night Gallery was easily the most fun club in Chicago back then.
An absolute favorite! Was Night Gallery up in Waukegan or something? I think my sisters may have gone there back in the day.
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An absolute favorite! Was Night Gallery up in Waukegan or something? I think my sisters may have gone there back in the day.
It was in Park City, just off the west end of Waukegan, south of Washington St. Down The Street was right next door, but was an entirely different club.
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IMA Robot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7MQnZiC-yQ
Watt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkGhQ3bW_pU
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IMA Robot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7MQnZiC-yQ
Man....the phrases "waste of electricty" or "sucks out loud" might apply here. WOAH!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEYtUcIKHTM
I hope I didn't post this already but here's a nice white Bicentennial. Sami played a lot of Gibsons including a Cardinal Bird as well. Here's one you don't see much, a slotted EB3L:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFRnFgRcnIA
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTMqPTIbvzI
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Nick Garvey from The Motors and, before that, Duck DeLuxe, with a white TB IV.
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Sorry! The intern logistic system failed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5NzNvipssc&NR=1
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In the early 70's Chuck Berry started using the duh-duh. duh-duh backing rhythm as a standard concept in his music, no matter how bass and drums had played earlier. And no matter who the bassist, or drummer, was. Always the same. Don't know why, but in my ears it sounded boring as hell.
Anyways, here's an example of what I'm trying to say. Includes a Bird. Though not the kind that Mr Berry is said to spy on in his restaurants ladys room.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNeEb7I3bwI&NR=1
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Sorry! The intern logistic system failed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5NzNvipssc&NR=1
Bunch of Brits that started out with hammering power pop riding the punk wave turn Motown! Billy Ocean could have done a lovely version of this. Cute.
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chuck tours by himself and picks up a band at each stop. he assumes everyone knows his songs and this duh duh thing you speak of makes it easier?
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Also, as an aside to Chuck, and ignoring the Tbirds for a moment, has anyone ever seen the Chuck Berry videos with his other "birds?" I saw stills from a couple, and I haven't been able to watch the guy ever since. I do laugh a lot, but Beautiful Delilah has an added disturbing dimension these days.
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I haven't seen those pics. Maybe I shouldn't try to find them.
The stories about taping women in the restroom at his restaurant weren't proven but he did settle a class action lawsuit about it.
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In restrooms? No doubt someone must have leaked information then.
Ouch. I had too.
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In restrooms? No doubt someone must have leaked information then.
At least that ship has sailed and the air has been cleared...
Chuck's alleged thourough monitoring of clientele probably just stemmed from an unrelenting passion for customer service!
(nsfw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSbDkHJoul0
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Bwhahahahahahahahahaha Made me laugh big time! I do love Chuck though.
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I know that Chuck tours by himself. But it doesn't change the fact that around 1972, he started to force whatever band it was, to play that duh-duh. And they did. All of them. It was so boring, it was namelessely boring. The Berry destroyed the original pulse, for reasons unknown. At least to me. Maybe not to others?
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Chuck admitted the taping, he just claimed he was trying to catch a thief.
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Then he'll have a lot of work to do. The Chuck's been ripped-off more than Mr Average. He's also been riffed-off.
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Don't anyone start asking me how I found this! I don't even know myself. :rolleyes: But it here they are! All the way from Down Under! O-o-o-o-o-o-o-l-l-l-l Fif-ty-fi-i-ive! With their Two faces, an old Lou Christie song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwdHs-FQUXY&NR=1
Seems like that bass, judged by the finger (thumb) rest is a piece almost clocking in at soon-to-be 50 years! Yes, sir, they sure knows how to boogie in Australia!
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Did we have this here already?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OjW1TDANxk&feature=related
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Never saw this one before just found it on a Tull Bootleg DVD, kind of odd w/ old & new Ian but a few nice close-ups of the butt end of a reverse Tbird II,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8
Cheers,
I just found the original performance this clip was edited from on a 1976 UK TV show called Supersonic & for what it’s worth that’s John Glascock playing that Tbird never saw him with one before,
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The "most unfortunately named" Herr Glasscock probably played that in commemoration of Glen Cornick who made the TBird so much part of his image and played on the original recording. In 1976, John was pretty much a Stingray and P Bass guy, as a friend of high register playing, he must have found the Donnervogel limiting. But he was no stranger to Gibsons in the years before, he played a sixties EB-3 or modified EB-0 (with a TB pup in the bridge position?, hard to tell with even the better glipse you get at 6.05 of the Carmen clip) with Carmen (great failed band!) quite skillfully.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRcSHq6Zm_0&feature=related
Which raises the question: Do at least Carmen find some mercy with our resident prog hater Dave W.? :rolleyes: Listen to it for more than 10 seconds please!!!
Glasscock was a lefty playing righty - which might explain his left hand dexterity.
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:o :o :o I made it 45 seconds in.
Fortunately I'm listening to some Mel Tillis favorites right now so the memory of that 45 seconds will soon be wiped out.
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You're kinda difficult, Dave, you know? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/565000/images/_566045_good_grief.gif)
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You're kinda difficult, Dave, you know? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/565000/images/_566045_good_grief.gif)
Now you knew I wouldn't like that!
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I was hoping the ethnic background would put you in a milder mood about it, but I guess you're more like Clint Eastwood in Gran Turino!!!
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That clip comes from a Bowie Boot 6 DVD set called the “1980 Floor Show Rehearsals” where there are 11 Carmen run- through/performances or what Dave would call “Purgatory” :o
“Glasscock was a lefty playing righty - which might explain his left hand dexterity.”
Me as well probably why I suck!
& yes John was back to his P-bass for the 2nd number “Too Old to you know what” so maybe him using the old Tbird was indeed a tip of the hat to Glen
Cheers,
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I was hoping the ethnic background would put you in a milder mood about it, but I guess you're more like Clint Eastwood in Gran Turino!!!
What on earth is that supposed to mean? Would a fan of real flamenco even consider this legitimate? How does Clint Eastwood's character in Gran Torino have anything to do with it?
I know what I like and what I don't. No more to it than that.
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He was grumpy, but he had a heart! That's why.
Carmen were masterminded by a a brother (the guitarist) and sister (the keyboardess, flamenco dancer and singer) pair who had grown up as children of Spanish immigrants in the US. Their parents had a restaurant, flamenco events there were frequent. In the erarly seventies their mix of hard progressive rock, Spanish music and flamenco visuals and dance was nothing short of groundbreaking.
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Groundbreaking? Maybe if they had been better known. In any case, how is a heartwarming story going to make anyone like the music?
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Right after seeing Carmen on the David Bowie special, I went out and got Fandangos in Space on vinyl. I thought they were pretty cool.
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Even Edith - generally less than compassionate when it comes to Prog Rock - liked it when I played the second and third album yesterday (while doing some gardening on our balcony). Glasscock's bass playing was certainly up-front and not what you would exactly expect from a Flamenco band - in fact the whole Brit rhythm section had style.
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I forgot this one!
http://youtu.be/oF8fzWEbpmw
Not many guys playing NR's in 1980. Well, Francis and Scott were!
http://youtu.be/yVWb9RrCYzw
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Nice find...
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You! Eff! Ohh!
What's THIS reverse headed beast, and who's playing it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDhfxnihTCc&feature=player_embedded#at=149
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You! Eff! Ohh!
What's THIS reverse headed beast, and who's playing it?
Sure doesn't look like Pete Way! ???
I think the bass is an ESP.
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Gene Simmons with a black thunderbird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GscQxZQBF0
Uwe's Edit: I love the way that song came about: Stanley played something to Simmons and Simmons jests that his buddy's songs "all sound like (apes Stanley's singing) Christine - Sixteen" hinting at Stanley's penchant for "happy chorusses". And Stanley says impressed "Christine - Sixteen, what a great line that is!"
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Sure doesn't look like Pete Way! ???
I think the bass is an ESP.
He's been out for a bit. I know he had trouble getting a passport for a U.S. tour a couple years ago but I don't know if that is the reason for his currently MIA status.
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Pete is alive and - in a roundabout fashion - well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4kWDLzHLE
Touring with an old AA buddy of his and yet another Kraut from a band who rocked us like a hurricane, this outfit now, monikered "Strangers in the Night", insists to be "ready to - of course - rock, it's a - you guessed it - Saturday night". Ah, yes, eternal truths of inward perception. Maybe they should have asked Phil Mogg for some lyrical help. Or Neil Peart.
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=150826
That said, no one sounds as creamy with a Flying V as Herr Schenker. I find his rhythm and lead playing extremely organic and un-teutonic, he could get a job with the Allman Brothers.
Pete probably earns more money with Michael than with UFO.
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Pete probably earns more money with Michael than with UFO.
Pete looks like he needs it... :o
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Yessssss. Doesn't look like a Dorian Gray picture in the attic of his home bore the brunt of his life with UFO. Phil Mogg was a heavy drinker, but it never got the best of him, except that he showed a mean streak drunk. He could (too hot to) handle it physically - Michael and Pete not so well. But Michael looks trim and healthy recently, Rudolf probably had him rehabbed again.
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Gene Simmons with a black thunderbird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GscQxZQBF0
Uwe's Edit: I love the way that song came about: Stanley played something to Simmons and Simmons jests that his buddy's songs "all sound like (apes Stanley's singing) Christine - Sixteen" hinting at Stanley's penchant for "happy chorusses". And Stanley says impressed "Christine - Sixteen, what a great line that is!"
Great find man! Just yesterday I was searching for a clip of robot-Gene playing the T-Bird from the Phantom of the Park flick. No luck...
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... except that he showed a mean streak drunk...
Witnessed that on the Mechanix tour - didn't go back again...
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Great find man! Just yesterday I was searching for a clip of robot-Gene playing the T-Bird from the Phantom of the Park flick. No luck...
I saw them in Buffalo NY in '77, The Thunderbird was in a stand off to the side, it got no playing time.
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Great find man! Just yesterday I was searching for a clip of robot-Gene playing the T-Bird from the Phantom of the Park flick. No luck...
Rip & Destroy - Good shot of the Bird @ 1:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMq7qw7ymKc&feature=related
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Looks like a Dimarzio Model One in the neck position. He seemed to have those on everything for a while.
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Did we get this one yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNZpkimAZSI
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I felt sorry for that guy when I saw him. He seems cool enough but a new bass player in Concrete Blonde made about as much sense as the new crew member you saw beaming down to some planet with Captain Kirk on Star Trek; you knew they weren't going to last long!
Of course, when I saw this one it made more sense. Talk about a cool side job!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP2UmA9tFC4
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I saw Concrete Blonde on that tour (the Free album?) and I think the guy was playing a Stingray or a Pbass. He didn't last too long with the band. I think I remember reading that he always butted heads with the singer and it didn't sound like she had ever wanted to add another bassist in to the mix. It probably wouldn't have mattered who the bassist was. If she had felt that part of her job was taken away from her, she wouldn't have liked anyone in that position. They were (are?) a good band IMO.
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So isn't that red Hamer Bird the one Jon (mc2ny) owns?
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So isn't that red Hamer Bird the one Jon (mc2ny) owns?
I think so. From what I hear, Tom replaced it with your NR's Korina twin...
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I think so. From what I hear, Tom replaced it with your NR's Korina twin...
Really?!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwc3XTYOlyQ
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There may or may not be a Thunderbird in this clip, so you should watch it all the way to the end just in case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6h5mDIxy2w
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Sneaking in a Peter Cook Fenderbird gifted to Leon Wilkeson by JAE...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRavC8CjRL0
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Really?!
Yep Tom did buy the Korina 8 string, I sent him a parchment guard for it.
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I traded 2 Thunderbirds for the Candy Red Hamer FB-VIII 8 string bass with 3 pickups, 3 on/off switches, 3 volume knobs and 3 output jacks. I got it from Kevin Tihista from Triple Fast Action. His manager bought it from Tom's guys for Him after they got signed to Capitol Records. After my son was born, I needed cash, so I listed it on Ebay and I sold it to Jon Maye for a 4 digit red B8s and Cash. Last Year I also made and sold Jon the Korina NR 8 string T bird II, which a friend of ours secretly bought for Tom. I miss engineered that one but I guess Tom dig's it. The neck should have been sunk lower in the body. String height is WAY high...at least for me. He may like that action. I have since made another 8 string bass, a Korina Futura 8 String bass with the offset V headstock and one Thunderbird pickup. Plus I have my Candy Blue Metal Flake Hamer Thunderbird II 8 string!!!
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Lemmy with a 'bird 1988
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZaFcx09BII4%26feature%3Drelated&h=e515a
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I went to a number of the "Meltdown" shows as they were filmed up the road from here at Teddington Studios...
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It's been a long time since I've had something new to post :)
These are from 7/23/11 @ 7 Cedars Casino, they have a great stage and lighting, plus two completely pro soundmen that know how to make us sound good. I'm using my Lull T4 single pickup thru a Line6 Basspod Live Acoustic 360 model into my GK1001RBII 8x10 rig.
Doing my best attempt at fingerstyle, I'm channeling my inner John Taylor here ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tI89yv8C48
It always surprises me how much folks like to jump around to this song, ya can't go wrong with The Clash's "Should I stay" I'm much more comfy here, using a pick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSPr2Kwo360
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No need to worry there Ma'am...
I know you're taller than me but how tall with those heels...? ;)
Other insider videos welcomed here...!
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I don't do the metric system Kenny ;)
So in my boots I'm about 6' 4", just more of me to love ;)
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I don't do the metric system Kenny ;)
Nor do we. Bloody French nonsense. :P
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Nor do we. Bloody French nonsense. :P
;D
Hold fire a min Ma'am...? They looked about 4 inchers and I'm sure you were 6' 2" or so... I'm 6' 1" in me socks!
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Then you're taller than me Kenny...... I'm just 6'
;)
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Nothing wrong with your fingerstyle, Mark! That rawks!!
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So isn't that red Hamer Bird the one Jon (mc2ny) owns?
I think so. From what I hear, Tom replaced it with your NR's Korina twin...
Yeah...I have that red metalflake Hamer 8 of Petersson's (and also his B12A medium scale from the BUSTED album with the factory graphics).....and yeah, I shipped Tom off the korina non-reverse GiBson 8 a couple months back (the big "B" being for BazBuilt :)
I also recently sold a Candy Red Hamer Tbird to a bass tech pal of Nikki Sixx, after Nikki told him to buy it.
Lots of 'Birds flying around.
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Nor do we. Bloody French nonsense. :P
Another reason why Operation Seelöwe was too hastily aborted. And you'd be driving on the right side of the road too. :P
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Another Good one from Steey Dan "Reelin' In The Years"-Whistle Test 1978
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsrI_mIT6PQ
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Not sure if anyone's posted this one yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeY9IRnVmk8&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNxdijPr9Y8&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNxdijPr9Y8&feature=related
i think we know this guy.
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I believe we do! The camera spends way to much time on the guitar player and singer. Isn't that always the way? I have found that if I want to be in the video I have to go hang by the singer or guitar player LOL
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Is that you, Scott? Nice struttin' then, you really should have applied for Dokken!
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No Uwe, that's me, Baz Cooper...with Daisy Chain, the band that I helped get signed to Mercury in 1991 for $750,000. We used to outdraw the Smashing Pumpkins....We saw Billy Corgan many times in our audience....many other famous blokes as well.....They eventually changed the name to Mind Bomb. Think I was 19 in this Video. We took Chicago, Illinois by Shock and Awe Ultimate Warfare. We had the whole package...But the singer....well...you know how egos go.....I'll just leave it at that. In June, the Drummer, Jim Bashaw and I have reunited after 17 years with John Checuga, the Guitarist!!! Don't know what's gonna happen but let me tell you this...we are working HARD like we used...working on songs...playing them over and over until we get it right....working out new ideas....leaving rehearsal at 2:00am.....7 original songs....more to come...then studio to record...then???????? It's SO good...better than reuniting with an old flame...and all 3 of us are singing so we don't have to worry about the a$$hole $inger.
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is that a G K hiding in the dark????
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Yes...I used those for many years before I discovered Hiwatts!!!!!
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But the singer....well...you know how egos go.....I'll just leave it at that....and all 3 of us are singing so we don't have to worry about the a$$hole $inger.
Baz, what in heavens name are you talking about??? ;)
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Ha! Ha! ha!
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Still could have/should have applied for Dokken (at least they didn't have a singer any more difficult than the guitard :mrgreen:)!
Good luck with the reunion.
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Nice and +1 on reunions...
More homegrowns would be nice too...
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-Thanks. Actually, when I played with Diamond Rexx...we opened for Don Dokken...He walked up to the stage in his fur coat and wished us a good show. Nice guy!
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I didn't realize a friend of ours was shooting us this past weekend 10/1/2011, here we are, covering Cheap Trick's "Surrender"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4ludTGb5AY
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I saw them in Buffalo NY in '77, The Thunderbird was in a stand off to the side, it got no playing time.
Sorry for the thread resurrection, but I just saw this on the God of Thunder (not Scott) facebook page.
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This threads never dead, Tom; at least until the last rusty string snaps on the last Thunderbird to exist on the planet, maybe... ;)
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Yep pretty much as I remember !
Sorry for the thread resurrection, but I just saw this on the God of Thunder (not Scott) facebook page.
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Something I totally missed :-[
The Darkness at Download 2011 with the original lineup ( Yay! Frankie Poulain ) back together - an all Gibson show ;D
Bombastic and a bit silly sure. I love it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5_MVQzO_LU
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MAN back in 1975 w/ a nice blue NR Tbird
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH-qoUbM3ec
Not sure how I missed this one. The guy who used to do the radio show after me played Man all the time. They were great!
This video is interesting to me for a number of reasons, including possibly the ugliest drummer in the world, the blue NR and the Zakk-Wylde-you're-not-original-at-all paint scheme on the guitar.
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Do we have this here one, all ready? It's Steamhammer, with bassist Steve Davy, in -69, doing the tune my band stops each gig with: Junior's wailing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_t0G9gyHMU
Sh-t man! Now, as I look closer, I understand my eye's deceived me. That's a Firebird, for f-ks sake! Excuse moi!
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Here's a strange one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op_FeoBBALg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op_FeoBBALg
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Here is my beat to crap '67 with the replaced headstock. The show is from early Nov. 2011 At Buffalo NYs old Central Train terminal. http://youtu.be/puXgsX5FTaw
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Here is my rebuilt NR not many people at the gig but I seem to be having a good time. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1975189957796&set=t.505898414&type=3
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Oh, what the heck. I might as well hoist the Epi freak flag. Here's me in better days with the Embassy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYyHuHjL0U
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Love that clip Gary! That Embassy sounds great!
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Do we have this here one, all ready? It's Steamhammer, with bassist Steve Davy, in -69, doing the tune my band stops each gig with: Junior's wailing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_t0G9gyHMU
Sh-t man! Now, as I look closer, I understand my eye's deceived me. That's a Firebird, for f-ks sake! Excuse moi!
Forgiven! Firebirds are cool anyway!
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Oh, what the heck. I might as well hoist the Epi freak flag. Here's me in better days with the Embassy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYyHuHjL0U
Definately Gary! That bass sounds great :thumbsup:
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Here's a strange one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op_FeoBBALg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op_FeoBBALg
Never seen or heard it, but love it. That is Robin and not Maurice "playing" the bass, right? And didn't the guy at the far right do a cover of Big Mountain's Baby I love your way sometime in the past?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFc-2aNZ6VY&ob=av2n
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Some classic prog. KILLER tone. Very Ric-ish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkSLmNreOP4
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That was cool, thanks for posting that!
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I can't remember if posted this before, me in '86 with my '68 Thunderbird. Shot for MTV the band imploded shortly after this was shot, I never saw the finished product until a few months ago when it surfaced on youtube. http://youtu.be/E1fP5tLo_oA
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I've been looking for this video for some time (couldn't remember the song title) it's Brian Wheat and Tesla. He's playing a White Non Reverse - What I'd forgotten is that the second part of the guitar solo is done on a 4001 Rickenbacker, Very cool!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zwBRa0YhA&feature=relmfu
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That NR Tbird looks huge on him.
(and the singer looks like an ugly chick) :mrgreen:
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I'm an ugly girl ;D
I don't know who's NR that is either, doubt it's a Gibson tho.
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Wheat used ESP Thunderbirds a lot back then. I remember magazine ad's with him playing several customs that looked like Gibsons. This could be one of those??
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I think you're right Andy I just didn't see a clear shot of the headstock.
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I couldn't get a clear look either. He gets plenty of camera time, but no good headstock shots.
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Last I saw in a comparatively recent interview he still played only ESPs live.
Mark has contaminated this thread beyond retrieval. :-\
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Last I saw in a comparatively recent interview he still played only ESPs live.
Mark has contaminated this thread beyond retrieval. :-\
I'm worldwide evilness ;D
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A little fun with my Thunderbirds from this past weekend, the Burny on "I hate myself for loving you", and the Nikki Sixx Mk.II with Lull pickups on "Ring of Fire"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aehVUyYCl9k&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQySnZlj7Xw&feature=relmfu
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Is that the Burny in the first video? Boy it sounds great! Are those your GKs in the backline?
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Is that the Burny in the first video? Boy it sounds great! Are those your GKs in the backline?
Yes to both Scott! I don't usually change basses at shows but really wanted to use them both.
We played 4 - 45 minute sets so I split it down the middle along with a clothing/hair change. I'm pretty pleased with both of the basses at this point, tho I do have some nickel pickup covers and rings to get at Lull's later this week.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSuu3ksFxJQ
A little 60's reverse love.
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I'm worldwide evilness ;D
But only in the most positive way!! :o
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Missed this band...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpkitLUbeEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIdyYAMDWHI
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Ah, Steve Fossen of course!
Met him a couple times at BassNW - he works there occasionally.
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Oh my god, that's the Ann Wilson I really miss (Nancy is still smokin' though).
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Mammaries are made of this...
(My gawd... did I really just type that...? ;D)
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You are udderly despicable, Ken. I am repelled.
That second Heart clip (the first one is blocked in Germany for IP reasons) gives a glimpse of what a great band they were. And the way the Wilson sisters looked (while certainly owing a debt to Fleetwood Mac Rumours era) has become a blueprint for how hard rock/heavy metal bands with female vocals such as Nightwish, Within Temptation and Epica present themselves today.
The little bass runs dring "Barracuda" - like at 6.14 those five notes - are soooooo archtypical T-Birdish in sound, not at all like a P Bass woukd sound doing the same run. I can hear the maho and the neck thru construction. :mrgreen: Very musical.
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They (Heart ) were from Bellevue, Wa. across Lake Washington from Seattle, they played a my High School in '74......... Everybody called them "Little Led Zeppelin".
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You are udderly despicable, Ken. I am repelled.
You really know how to milk a point...
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This sort of fits... not sure if the "live" recording is a Thunderbird though...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTxnWdUaKZ8
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Everybody called them "Little Led Zeppelin".
I know at least Annie would have taken that as a major compliment (if their later penchant for Zep covers is any gauge.)
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Roger Fisher was pictured bowing a Les Paul on one of their album covers. He was great. Too bad he wigged out when he lost Ann.
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WTF. he had his tantrum when he was in a cover band. :o i lost the link.
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This sort of fits... not sure if the "live" recording is a Thunderbird though...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTxnWdUaKZ8
Interesting as the guitarist also plays a Firebird - very The Merseybeats!
(http://www.themerseybeats.co.uk/Images/merseybeats1.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Av9Oi-omoc&feature=related
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There is something about her voice that... :) no, not going there...
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Funny you say that, a friend of mine calls that her spooge voice.
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Moving on trying not to slip over... a bit more Glenn Cornick with a II through a nice Hiwatt stack...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BJoLD6eG-4
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Moving on tring not to slip over... a bit more Glenn Cornick with a II through a nice Hiwatt stack...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BJoLD6eG-4
Nice! I notice that Cornick's bass line differs from what was finally recorded.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYdo00aPn28
Someone in the crowd at our record label's launch party last month got this video of us. This was a great show, we headlined in front of 200 people! We ended up selling something like $110 worth of merch that night!
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That was a raucous number - loud and proud... ;)
We have enough T'bird players here so some more home-grown material would be a nice inclusion...
Nice! I notice that Cornick's bass line differs from what was finally recorded.
I'm off for a week and caught up with some material I'd recorded off the sat and they had shown a Lerner film of them at the Isle of Wight festival in '70 - some one had posted it so I thought I'd put it up... there's quite a bit of their material knocking about...
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Do RDs count? Voilà, Germany's early eighties answer to Toto:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiip-aAOjtE&feature=related
The black cat bass player - Ken Taylor - went on to become one of Germany's most demanded session and touring bass players.
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Nearly, but do they fit into the "fat-bottomed" video thread more neatly...?
Now there's a thought... how about Explorers... ;)
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Visually, an RD is close to a Firebird with its off-set body (and was most likely intended to look that way), but the wood components of course indicate the Ripper family ...
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Your the Master when it comes to such things - official decision required...
RD or not RD, that is the question... ;D
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And here we are..........
From 07/14/2012 @ Tacoma, Wa. Pride.
Our first show ever in Tacoma. we had a great time the event organizers took good of us, providing roadies, food, drink a nice big stage and a first rate sound crew. It turned out that their lead man is a big fan and was excited to see us play, we have about 600 peeps and it was truly a day to remember!
It was 80 degrees out which left me gassed after a 45 min. set but it was well worth it, we took home a cool 1k and memories for a lifetime - I love my band!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcEvEgYedn8&feature=share
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Excellent sound and rendition, Fräulein
Roger, errrm Rommel! You have that Machine Head/Highway Star roundwound rumble down pat with your Bürd, it sounds all richtig!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mLryrT1ZMc
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Excellent sound and rendition, Fräulein Roger, errrm Rommel! You have that Machine Head/Highway Star roundwound rumble down pat with your Bürd, it sounds all richtig!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mLryrT1ZMc
New Amp........GK 700RBII, gotta push it a bit more than the 1001 it's growly!
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My '67 through the Hiwatt DR201/2150 rig plus Orange 115 at Frontier Filed. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=410277729010223
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Outdoor show bit early in the night but already some folks have drank their fill. The band sounds good though :) http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4269167728020
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Not on facebook... :sad:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGD468f1_Kc
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Ah, Marilyn, always a wholesome sight, as American as apple pie. New album ain't bad either. I know it's Disneyland for goths, but I have a soft spot for him. "Ze bjootyfill peeple, ze bjootyfill peeple ...". Good old-fashioned fun.
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Ah, Marilyn, always a wholesome sight, as American as apple pie. New album ain't bad either. I know it's Disneyland fpr goths, but I have a soft spot for him. "Ze bjootyfill peeple, ze bjootyfill peeple ...". Good old-fashioned fun.
I'll give the little Ohio geek credit for knowing how to market and sell what he does. I still remember little Brian Warner on American Bandstand with hi Britney Spears lunchbox.
I know that the studio version of "Beautiful People" was done on a Les Paul bass. Of all things, that fact came out on the cable show, Cribs, when Dave Navarro showed the bass hanging on his wall.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv2OyI0nXEE
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Came across these cool videos of AC/DC oldies with Cliff banging away on a Non Reverse Thunderbird IV!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJnXDQo-6A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqweaZNZ3_E
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Rudd's amazingly behind the beat, he really has a knack for that. I generally prefer drummers on top of the beat or slightly ahead, but his style of dragging certainly has something.
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The finished product, JOHNNY SMOKE What I Love about America. I don't think I posted this yet. http://youtu.be/8GdjtvKw1CI
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I was looking for something when Cliff William's then band Home (where he played with later Wishbone Ash guitarist Laurie Wisefield) backed Al Stewart as they regularly did in the early seventies. Wondered whether he had a TB already then too (pics from Homes seem to indicate not). Instead I stumbled across this: Al Stewart after he had hit big with Robin Lamble manning a Rev (Bicentennial).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y6hVQn-e5Y
Is it ok to post whimp rock here too?
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The finished product, JOHNNY SMOKE What I Love about America. I don't think I posted this yet. http://youtu.be/8GdjtvKw1CI
You did, but it's worth to be shown again (and again and again ...). I like the Dictators vibe of the song, reminds me of this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LOol4HLc5c
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Wow compared to the Dictators! I'll take it!
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I love The Dictators, more than the New York Dolls even and not as one trick pony'sh as The Ramones. Manifest Destiny was such a classic.
But rest assured that your bass playing is more sophisticated than both Andy Shernoff's and Mark "Animal" Mendoza's!
My own vision of hell is to start in a band as cool as The Dictators (Handsome Dick Manitoba always looked as if Paul Stanley had never discovered slimming pills) and then end the significant part of your career in something like Manowar like Ross the Boss did! :mrgreen: To go from this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLuXiedNBBc
to this is kind of sobering:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-5rCnEN0AA&feature=related
This with all due respect to Manowar who have their loyal fan base, are most likely sincere in what they do and have their Spinal Tap moments of glory plus more melodies than a lot of their contemporaries. It's just not very urban, is it? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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I was looking for something when Cliff William's then band Home (where he played with later Wishbone Ash guitarist Laurie Wisefield)...
I got to see Home, of all things, supporting Slade, but it's too far back to remember what bass he was playing...
Wimp rock welcome...
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And now for something completely different...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaGSo6TRXZQ
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Thunderbird 2 ( II) was my favorite, go figure. I still have the Corgi toy from when I was a kid.
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Aaaargh...! Jinx...! mines in the loft somewhere, more than slighly damaged, mind you
Mine was Thunderbird 3...
The one I had as a kid goes for too much for me to replace it... :sad:
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Wonder where mine is haven't seen it since the move 4 years ago.
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Found it! In the box marked Corgi Toys :) I'll post a picture later.
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The chance of finding my TB2 is slim to none with my (loft) filing system... best not go there... I'm already deep in the steamy stuff as far a SWMBO's concerned... :o
There's a pic of me as a small person proudly holding my TB3 but it's bearing the knees and shorts again... :rolleyes:
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Gary posted this elsewhere so I lifted it and placed where required...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxKm5PjFMHQ
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:thumbsup:
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Now go seek sum-mori... ;)
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Now go seek sum-mori... ;)
There is at least one more Night Gallery video for "Hot Love"
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:popcorn:
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I bet no one's posted this one... It appears to be a Bicentennial!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc1sgCT7X2c&feature=related
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Pah, I posted that long ago. 8) Somewhwere. And Herbie did here pretty early on. Incidentally, Sweet too have to do with he-who-may-not-be-named-in-every-thread, admired by Andy Scott and guesting with them live on an US tour when they played Alright Now in tribute to a just departed Paul Kossoff. Worthy of reposting though.
Ever wonder how Sweet sound doing Kiss/Hello/Russ Ballard AND Alicia Keys in one song? Alicia has no known connections to Ritchie Blackmore. Yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xO684vZ0CE
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Pah, Denis, I posted that long ago. 8) Somewhere. And Herbie did here pretty early on. Incidentally, Sweet too have to do with he-who-may-not-be-named-in-every-thread, admired by Andy Scott and guesting with them live on an US tour when they played Alright Now in tribute to a just departed Paul Kossoff. Worthy of reposting though.
Ever wonder how Sweet sound doing Kiss/Hello/Russ Ballard AND Alicia Keys in one song? Alicia has no known connections to Ritchie Blackmore though. Yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xO684vZ0CE
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is there some garish rock tabloid that you get all your 'insider' info from. how do you know all this he said, she said, they all said stuff. ;D
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is there some garish rock tabloid that you get all your 'insider' info from. how do you know all this he said, she said, they all said stuff. ;D
If you know penultimate then you know all.
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Uwe mentioning Russ Ballard and RB on the same post made me think of this, which I think we have all missed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYtdW5bD-7Q
I'll have to work on Alicia Keys/RB, though... ;D
Love the new look RB... err... sorry... Uwe...
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is there some garish rock tabloid that you get all your 'insider' info from. how do you know all this he said, she said, they all said stuff. ;D
Nofi, I've been reading rock magazines ever since 1975: Rolling Stone, Creem, Hit Parader, Sounds, Melody Maker, New Musical Express, Kerrang, Metal Hammer, Mojo, Uncut, Classic Rock and Prog Magazine. Do that for nearly 40 years and have a warped mind like me and you'll be a quote encyclopedia (spelling?) too. And that was only the English language magazines. I tend to remember quotes well. Both in real life and printed. I'm horrible with names and numbers. I have an excellent memory for "scenes" - my pet theory for that is that my parents allowed me to watch pretty much to watch on television what I wanted even as a child. And I'd gobble everything u, going from political news (I started reading political magazines at around 9 or so) to cartoons to scientific shows to horror movies. I learned a lot from TV and books. I was 13 when I read both Mein Kampf and Marx' Das Kapital at pretty much the same time, both in English. Mein Kampf was boring, Das Kapital demanding. But I didn't kiss a girl until I was 14.
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John McVie with a non-reverse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xF2hzWXnirA#t=46s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xF2hzWXnirA#t=46s)
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I was 13 when I read both Mein Kampf and Marx' Das Kapital at pretty much the same time, both in English. Mein Kampf was boring, Das Kapital demanding. But I didn't kiss a girl until I was 14.
Reading that stuff it's no wonder you didn't kiss a girl until you were 14!
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John McVie with a non-reverse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xF2hzWXnirA#t=46s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xF2hzWXnirA#t=46s)
Cool, I've never seen that video before. Is that a jazz pup?
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Pah, I posted that long ago. 8) Somewhwere. And Herbie did here pretty early on. Incidentally, Sweet too have to do with he-who-may-not-be-named-in-every-thread, admired by Andy Scott and guesting with them live on an US tour when they played Alright Now in tribute to a just departed Paul Kossoff. Worthy of reposting though.
Andy was/is very much into Purple & played in that style before he joined Sweet, the influence can be heard in many of their B-sides.
Almost every year he plays a gig for up to 700 of his fans who travel literally from worldwide just to attend. It's in Bilston near Wolverhampton, hometown of Slade's drummer Don & the venue used to be one of the places a fledgling Slade rehearsed at.
In 2010 Andy did a fund-raiser there & I surprised him by having 250 plastic Sweet scarves made to boost the funds, he's a tad taken aback when he comes on; they've had "The Stripper" as their stage intro music since the very early days of Sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afjrtqwWkKw
We had a good laugh about it after, when he said it brought back memories from the 70's crowds.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/Me_with_Andy_LO.jpg)
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He's a very tasteful guitarist, not a noise merchant at all. I liked some of the sophisticated pop Sweet did at the end of the seventies career though their Give us a Wink serious hard rock experiment wasn't bad either, The Healer is one of my favorite songs of theirs. That recent New York Connection album is a grower, they did indeed turn Dead or Alive's You spin me round into a glam rock monster.
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Cool, I've never seen that video before. Is that a jazz pup?
Jazz pickup, where? Here's a pic and it could be that it has a ring for the neck pickup too?:
http://www.photofeatures.com/fleetwoodmac/ppages/ppage38.html (http://www.photofeatures.com/fleetwoodmac/ppages/ppage38.html)
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Dunno. With glare from the lights it could be the regular pup, though it looks awfully narrow and appears to be black like a j pup. Here's a screen snap I made. May or may not help much.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/bigtreebluesea/Picture6.jpg)
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In the pic I linked it's a mudbucker:
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4322198/IMG_2087.JPG)
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Being an MB does ring a bell from a previous discussion some time back...
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Pekka, that is a much better photo and you're right, it's clearly a mudbucker.
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Now that sound I can recreate as that's the layout I have on the PC...
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Apologies if this was posted already. Maybe I should look for a gig in a Mott tribute?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CFUuN__7tE&t=30s
Song starts @ 35 seconds in.
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George I believe you have found a new calling! ;D
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Apologies if this was posted already. Maybe I should look for a gig in a Mott tribute?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CFUuN__7tE&t=30s
Song starts @ 35 seconds in.
I think you should release your inner Glam Child George....
Very liberating ;D
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Overend Carlson or (Doctor) George Hunter (S Thompson)...? ;D
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If I go by my younger self it's Overend. Now that I have the hair to match (and the requisite Thunderbird) it seems a logical choice. Guess I'll need to refinish my Greco II in white. :)
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Who says you can't play intelligent music with a Bicentennial?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rqk4ILPQKA
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Pete Agnew with a '60s reverse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7BmO7asb0A&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7BmO7asb0A&feature=related)
Pity it's a playback 'though, I'd love to have heard his sound through those SVT's. Pete seems to enjoy himself very much, maybe they visited one of those coffee shops...;)
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The happy Pete with a black bicentennial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJGMIxcE50&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJGMIxcE50&feature=related)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKea-xN1aTA
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Looks like Agnew's T'bird had a Mudbucker in the bridge slot...?
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Apologies if this was posted already. Maybe I should look for a gig in a Mott tribute?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CFUuN__7tE&t=30s
Song starts @ 35 seconds in.
I was amazed when it came out that Chris Spedding suited up as one of the Wombles.
P
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I was amazed when it came out that Chris Spedding suited up as one of the Wombles.
P
Rolling Stone did an interview and article on Spedding way back when. I first got into Spedding via Jack Bruce. During those early/mid '70s years, it was said that Spedding was on 80% of the top ten hits in the UK at any given moment. He was in The Wombles, Jesus Christ Superstar, Jack Bruce, Sharks, and more session work than you could imagine. For a brief time, he was in Chicago with a project that included Jon Brandt from Cheap Trick. Spedding doesn't like commercial cigarettes, and will reroll the tobacco into different papers.
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Posted elsewhere, but has dual instrumental referencing...
forgive me if this has been posted.
Bit of Tbird action at the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3OwLV4s6PY&list=FLN6cpS0gtVLCvfRSYY5jx1Q&index=40&feature=plpp_video
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UFO with a TBird, but what's new about that? Well, it's not a Rev one and it is played by Paul Gray and not the usual waysted suspect. The Misdemeanor line up with Atomic Tommy on lead guitar. Dumb name, but I actually saw that particular line up and they were very good, emegetic and enthusiastic which this vid does not quite show, good ole Phil is obviously somewhat sedated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YE26AbXAZ4
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P pup in the neck slot...?
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Sigh, apparently so ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aQhRE24jjQ
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I'll issue you with a yellow card for that video, but commend your excellence with the title inference... ;D
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What's wrong with Iron Maiden? In a way they are the Status Quo of heavy metal. I think they haven't progressed really as songwriters (as one critic once said: "There are two types of IM songs, ones that start fast and slow down in the middle and others who start slow and then get real fast.") and never reached the elegance of, say, Judas Priest in their best moments, but I respect IM for their work ethic. And that they still bring out new stuff (which in my ears sounds largely like their old one though :mrgreen: ) and play it live too even if their fans would prefer them to do the greatest hits package. Dickinson is not a great sinner (LOL, Freudian Slip, I meant to say singer!), on one hand more operatic than Halford, on the other hand less, but I like him as a man. He's not full of himself like, say, Geoff Tate.
I do have the new Steve Harris album but haven't heard it yet.
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Billy Idol (as a happy puppy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR6TSe1Gqfo
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What's wrong with Iron Maiden?
I'm surprised you missed that one... ;D
The infraction was posting for effect only and no T'bird content - Mr Harris has used a lookie-likey but has he ever been seen with any type of Gibson...?
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He's happily married to his P Bass but didn't he have a boutique TBird for a while which didn't see much stage action?
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He's happily married to his P Bass but didn't he have a boutique TBird for a while which didn't see much stage action?
A Lado Unicorn:
(http://www.topmetal.ru/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/steve_harris_guitar1.jpg)
He used it on "Aces High" video IIRC. His Ibanez RS-824 was also featured in videos for "Run To The Hills" and "The Trooper" but never seen it played on stage.
Steve did have a '76 T-Bird, it's (almost) visible on the back cover of the first album.
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Yup, that's what I meant. But the P Bass looks better on him and kind of encapsules the workman ethic of his band. I have warm feelings for Iron Maiden though I don't really like their music, how weird am I?
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Pete and White T Bird............
Wake up! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b7Xc_LvI70&list=AL94UKMTqg-9BCCCf6ir5vCoh9tcxQL73e
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Well done...!
Pretty much everything I've found was him playing a P...
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Pete and White T Bird............
Wake up! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b7Xc_LvI70&list=AL94UKMTqg-9BCCCf6ir5vCoh9tcxQL73e
Is this from one of the short-lived Schenker line up reunions? I didn't even know he played slide and then so well (but more European than Delta!).
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Just saw this. Pilson is having a pretty good time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSwHcogJcWU&feature=player_embedded
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I've always like Jeff Pilson a lot! To me he's the consumate Rock n Roll Soldier. Nice to see him playing a Thunderbird again, hadn't seen that since "Breakin' the Chains" with Dokken.
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local classic. Tbird at 0:20 +/-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-avHA_9SvY
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That Foley track is nice, wish it was longer and had vocals.
And now for some teutonic earnest music, Colonel Klank progging wiff ze Donnervogel, Himmel!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkSLmNreOP4
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local classic. Tbird at 0:20 +/-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-avHA_9SvY
Always liked Kids in the Hall and Shadowy Men. Saw Dave Foley on a show last night and his character asked a kid if he ever watched KITH.
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Eloy! ;D
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My beloved '76 for my band video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUuluCEmJx4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUuluCEmJx4)
Cheers,
Crem
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Great! Vid and song put me into an immediate good mood, thanks!
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Nice camera angles on the stringers and a cheeky welcome post... ;D
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Great tune, nice video!
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Awesome video, song and bass!
Welcome here ;)
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Thank you so much guys. Cheers from Italy.
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More of us Eurotrash to upset the septics... ;D
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Crem, I love that video and the tone you got from your bass. Welcome!
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My beloved '76 for my band video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUuluCEmJx4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUuluCEmJx4)
Cheers,
Crem
Fantastic! Just great. More please.
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Fantastic! Just great. More please.
Go here you slackers. http://thefulltreble.bandcamp.com/
It's marvelous garagey indie punky. Made my Saturday.
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Thank you so much guys. Cheers from Italy.
Fun video! Welcome aboard!
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Thank you guys. We worked really hard to make the video happen and we had a lot of fun. We just put together all our stuff and flyers in our guitarist's mansard roof, grabbed a GOPRO and shot the video. Considering how much people nowadays spend for a music video, we ended up paying only 18 Euros for pizzas at lunch, but the final result for us was amazing.
I am happy you enjoy it.
Crem
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Not sure if I posted this before, but here's Greg Chaisson sporting a BC Rich Tbird with Badlands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IepGiupfguM
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Thanks and credit go to Dave for posting another video from this band in another thread. They're all I've listened to for days now. What an amazing group of people, and with a bird showing it's far more than only a bass for rock/metal bands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydc1DkrtxP8
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wow.thats cool,the 2nd drumkit was a surprise.
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Actually I only discovered them because a new member with only two posts had posted it way back on page 4 of the EB-0/SG variant video thread.
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Actually I only discovered them because a new member with only two posts had posted it way back on page 4 of the EB-0/SG variant video thread.
See, this place is great for more than butt jokes and discussions about WWII hardware!
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Here's a complete surprise! The Hollies great bass player, Eric Haydock, in a very short clip at 1:40, with a T-bird. Ought to be in the days when Gibson tried to launch the Bird in Europe, around -64. Even John Gustafson in The Merseybeats had one. Check this out, on an alternate version of Yes, I will!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AunFpn5qomQ
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How'd we miss this...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb1SquD3m5k
... and Mark mentioned EB's and Nazareth and stumbled on this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HolbQ_XBnak
... and this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEG0-3xlAkg
... and another - this is presumably the show some of the above came from...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHUnXWgtTwQ
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Hey! Found another one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNFRQ9Lblz4
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Those are kinda cute black panties ;)
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Like I always say: Black hardware roolz.
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Like I always say: Black hardware roolz.
Something lacy is nice........ :)
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Free Bird! Go to 8:27 to see Leon doing some furious fingering (on a NR bird)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6b0bKj6s2M
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Another cardinal red bicentennial. I don't think I posted this yet but if I did, sorry. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5CaagwSYGk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR-f10Z2iB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ahIGBQP-Y
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR-f10Z2iB4
That dance is at once comical and sinister. It's disturbing.
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Octane Saints
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq5AyyVR58o
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That dance is at once comical and sinister. It's disturbing.
They're doing the Freddie!
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Guys, the YT videos will appear only as a link if you use the https prefix. Likewise if you use the youtu.be version of the URL, or if the URL has a suffix of "&feature..." (you can just remove that part). Hopefully someone at SMF will write an updated extension but for now this is what we're stuck with.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR-f10Z2iB4
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Reposted Robert's second find...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ahIGBQP-Y
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No T-bird here, but this is for Denis.
This was a hit. Really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxDS10VAbg
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That dance is at once comical and sinister. It's disturbing.
I think you're imagining jackboots and goose-stepping as part of the exercise. That would be the version Uwe would probably dig up from the YouTube archives...
But no, it's just The Freddie!
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I like it. Rings a bell. :vader: :vader: :vader:
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No Thunderbirds but lots of shiny boots...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=K08akOt2kuo
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That Springtime clip is just so lovely and lot more venomous than the later remake. Sheer brilliance. Love it.
Back to ze sübjekt, meine Herren, he is still the man on the TBird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK_OfVhQa4M&feature=youtu.be
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I'm never shy about liking The Crue!
Check out Nikki's Sparkly Red 'Bird (Painted by Marty Bell) and the flamethrower?! ( I know WTF!) equipped Mk.II 'Bird - Looks pretty beat up! Plus a pretty cool bit with a fan's 8 y.o. daughter!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EffELK81f-s
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This one been around yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA8tUUrSTIw
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Cool! Nice Rics too.
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Audio signal distorted, video signal blurry, but then there aren't a lot of vids around with Craig Gruber of Elf and his white Non-Rev (immortalized on that inner sleeve of the Rainbow debut). You can tell how tiny he was, the bass looks huge on him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6prX1RVjW8
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What I find fascinating about this one is that (minus the guitarist) this band recorded one of the truly great rock albums of all time...
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Well, they were an experienced, played-in unit from years of hard gigging (not least as Purple's often enough opening act on endless US tours, by the look of it, that vid is also from a Purple gig) and just replaced their guitarist (Steve Edwards was a nice guy, said Craig Gruber in an interview, but he never had any ideas unlike his Elf-predecessor Rod Feinstein and was generally a "less is more" Clapton-acolyte).
I always found that Rainbow's debut sounded more organic and grooving than the overrated, and even harshly-teutonic in its merciless beat, Rising 2nd album. The only thing better on the 2nd album was Carey's synth playing, mainly because his predecessor Mickey Lee Soule considered himself foremost a piano (and he was excellent in that) and not an organ, much less a synth player. However that is exactly what Blackmore wanted as that was what he had gotten from Jon Lord (who never played much piano within Purple) all these years and obviously wanted to retain. Blackmore doesn't mind a little piano, but let's not get carried away.
The Elf albums Carolina County Ball and Trying to Burn the Sun were excellent and are in dire need of a worthy remastered reissue (their debut wasn't bad, but still a little raw and formative). I loved the way Mickey Lee Soule's ivories and Gruber's bass playing embellished the songs and Trying to Burn the Sun did of course feature the great Mark Nauseef on added percussion. Hah, as I type this, my random CD function on the office hifi plays the IGB's Scarabus with Nauseef's formidable drumming!!!
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I've still to replace my vinyl for them, and my Planet P Carey material - Why Me is still cemented into my psyche...
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"Why me" ruled the airwaives and the discos one summer long in Germany.
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That Springtime clip is just so lovely and lot more venomous than the later remake. Sheer brilliance. Love it.
Back to ze sübjekt, meine Herren, he is still the man on the TBird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK_OfVhQa4M&feature=youtu.be
I can tell you that my Embassy through my Ashdown is just a rich and wondrous sound.
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I played the Ashdown JAE pre-amp for years, no complaints whatsoever.
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Still running my Ashdown with no complaints (Hiwatt has bit the dust at present :sad:)
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Saw Drivin' & Cryin' way back when and the bassist used a black TBird. They put on a good show.
http://youtu.be/INXSTzGavec
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ah, atlanta's perennial almost made it band. they are still around. :bored:
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Pete Way sporting a Bicentennial Tbird and Paul Chapman with a non reverse Firebird
(none of them are plugged in... :mrgreen: )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX-4hoUDlTM
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Here's one a little newer and plugged in. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCSllcUYuC8
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One more with an older bird.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9suQV31jTI
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D'oh! Video removed, thanks, Gary. I need to be awake when I post.
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D'oh! Video removed, thanks, Gary. I need to be awake when I post.
You're very welcome. Been there, done that. Found myself the owner of a Hamer Cruise bass once that I only remembered watching, not bidding. :o
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You're very welcome. Been there, done that. Found myself the owner of a Hamer Cruise bass once that I only remembered watching, not bidding. :o
Ha ha, I thought I was the only one that ever did that! Mine wasn't even playable so you probably made out better than I did but still... ;D
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This was shot about 8 months ago with our now departed drummer Wayne......
I can't explain it, but this place always gets a bit crazy when we show up ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQGwZHlTCaA
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What happened to your drummer?
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He went straight. It does happen.
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What happened to your drummer?
I think I'd call it a mid-life meltdown, poor guy just couldn't keep himself together. He never had a decent job or place to live, we all tried to help him as much as we could, but there wasn't anything for it in the end. He packed up what he had and drove to Fla. where he at least had some family and a place to hang his hat. We still touch base on FB and he really regrets leaving Washington now.....
The band lost a number of good shows in his absence, it took awhile to find a good replacement but we did in Morgan Smith, he young at 28 but a great addition to our band.
The Nasty Habits are the headliners for Seattle Pride celebration at the end of June - We're pretty excited, the stage will occupy a major intersection of several streets closed, we're expecting several thousand peeps ;D
Here's Morgan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IMjvUIZf74&list=UUQAlqFklKPPjBKEUAggBONg&index=1
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Shame about Wayne. He was very smooth. It was nice of you guys (gals?) to try and help him.
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That's too bad. From the way you had talked, you were really pleased with him at first.
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That's too bad. From the way you had talked, you were really pleased with him at first.
He is by far the best drummer I've ever worked with, he totally got what was supposed to happen between us, never overplayed and really enjoyed his part in the band. In some ways we thought of him as an Idiot Savant on the drums, yet quite disfunctional with so much of the rest of his life. More than once I witnessed him struggle with simple, everyday things.......like, what to have for lunch. A painful 25 minutes just to choose soup. Which black t-shirt to wear to a show......
I'm not making fun at all, Wayne is still my friend and we all were sad to lose him, he was, in the best sense a "bandmate" and friend I miss him.
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For his sake, I hope he can at least find some band to play with in his new location. He may be dysfunctional with the everyday things, but it would be quite a waste for someone like that not to be playing drums. Needless to say, really good drummers tend to be a pretty rare breed.
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I feel sorry for him, having known a few people like that. Not idiot savant, though I know what you mean. They can be brilliant at something complex and at the same time struggle to make decisions that most of us can make effortlessly.
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I feel sorry for him, having known a few people like that. Not idiot savant, though I know what you mean. They can be brilliant at something complex and at the same time struggle to make decisions that most of us can make effortlessly.
Mark it's very nice of you all to try to help him - to me this is a sure sign of very kind and generous people.
I had a childhood friend that was a drummer and bordered on the savant level. Had probably less than a year of lessons and played like a first call LA studio cat in less than three years. Everyone that ever played with him was astounded - especially when he was say 15. But the gift of music was at the cost of his mind - he was always off, very erratic and mercurial as a kid. By the time we were into our mid twenties we'd all backed off somewhat as he had gotten downright scary running to dangerous. I ran into him about 15 years ago - on full disability for a multitude of major mental problems and not drumming - pretty much a medicated zombie.
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I feel sorry for him, having known a few people like that. Not idiot savant, though I know what you mean. They can be brilliant at something complex and at the same time struggle to make decisions that most of us can make effortlessly.
This is right on Dave, if you can possibly image - he struggled over which t-shirt to wear to a show...AC/DC or KISS, it took him longer to decide than it did for me to do all my make up girlie clothes and wig. Before he left for Fla my bandmate Ginger offered him a place to stay at her house, he just flipped out, really sad.
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Sorry, Mark... just in case I missed something, was this the drummer that was the "straight" man to your "funny" man, to use comedy (sic) routine parlance, and not the "girl" you had about a year back...? How recently did he move on...? Living with issues like these, and what Buzz noted, can really make your days interesting...
Keep in touch with him...
I also understand what you mean by the being "in-tune" with your rhythm (method ;D) partner... I used to think that being able to keep in "eye-contact" for key points was important, but being able to do that without the "visual" fix is even better... [Zen] instinct... [/Zen]
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Wembley Stadium, London UK. Summer 2013. ThunderBuckers in a Gibson TBird.
http://www.capitalfm.com/artists/ellie-goulding/performances/lights-live-summertime-2013/
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Not sure here, not much visible... Bicentennial Bird?
This was a semi-official video. The gargling and kazoo are much better in the live videos.
RIP Country Dick, gone way too soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEZtII8rt_Y
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My mailman told me to check this song out, and waddaya know? There's an old T-bird in the clip I found.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HolbQ_XBnak
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That was posted in February... still a great video... ;)
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Hmm, wonder if Rudy Sarzo learned that overhand fretting technique from Pete Agnew.
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That was posted in February... still a great video... ;)
Ah! 27 pages... Must have missed one or two. ;D
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Now this is interesting. Lynyrd Skynyrd on "Old Grey Whistle Test" from 1975 performing "Free Bird".
Note Leon's bass (6:53 has a good shot). It is NOT NR Thunderbird with a p-bass neck. It looks like a real live Fenderbird, much like JAE's black Fenderbird.
Apologies if this has been posted previously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkTQUtx818w
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I thought JAE gave him one.............
As always I could be wrong ;D
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Ah! 27 pages... Must have missed one or two. ;D
Slacker... ;D
Denis; Mark... JAE gifted him that one when they toured with them... a genuine PC version...
The whole show is available on the special edition GBMB release.
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I knew Leon ended up with at least one of JAE's NR Tbirds but was unaware of this one.
I wonder where Leon's basses are now.
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There was a thread about one that was up for sale (http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=1805.0) a while back on here discussing one he used post the accident with an adaptor to reduce neck-dive...
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6/29/2013 @ Seattle's Pride :)
Me and my '89 with Lull pickups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkO-4ni8Y80
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Man, that Bird definitely roars!
Don't let Lemmy hear it, he'll take it away!
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Man, that Bird definitely roars!
Don't let Lemmy hear it, he'll take it away!
I'm really enjoying that bass a lot lately, modern Thunderbird necks really play nicely for me, and I love how that one sounds cranked up with the GK. ;D
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Nothing to see here , move along,,
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Robin Lamble? w/ a '76-'77 Bird
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y6hVQn-e5Y
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Skynyrd, 1974. Leon with a black Thunderbird and Ed King with a Strat. Billy has no mustache!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQYG8wRr_H0
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Not seen this one before... that's a sunburst T'Bird; just a dark vid...? They are miming...
Here's the whole of the BBC recording with JAE's gift ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK-8XBD0m3I
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Watched that one the other day. :)
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There is a little bit of me that finds it painful to watch, having seen that tour (they split it - first half late '75 and when I caught it in early '76 at the Hammy Odeon)and watching that OGWT one when it went out for the first time... 100 people saw that as a freebie and I had the (misfortune) of working with one of them who never gave up letting me know it - the police whistle is him...
I still clearly remember being woken to the news of the accident the Friday morning after it...
Curiously... historically... the OGWT show is the only time, anywhere, they were broadcast "live"; they were not on form, but it is still a classic show that leaves you wanting more... such a shame they were lost... 36 years... where did they go...
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kenny, back before they got signed you could see LS at any number of clubs here in atlanta on a regular basis.
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... and all I got was the chance of seeing Big Den Stratton before he joined the original Maiden... or maybe seeing Rick Wakeman playing Roll Out The Barrel and such stuff for the old-folks at Christmas in my local pub...
I've always been the wrong side of the Pond for my musical tastes...
Tom... you'll next be telling me you got to see ABB with Duane and Berry too... ;)
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There is a little bit of me that finds it painful to watch, having seen that tour (they split it - first half late '75 and when I caught it in early '76 at the Hammy Odeon)and watching that OGWT one when it went out for the first time... 100 people saw that as a freebie and I had the (misfortune) of working with one of them who never gave up letting me know it - the police whistle is him...
I still clearly remember being woken to the news of the accident the Friday morning after it...
Curiously... historically... the OGWT show is the only time, anywhere, they were broadcast "live"; they were not on form, but it is still a classic show that leaves you wanting more... such a shame they were lost... 36 years... where did they go...
I remember hearing about the plane crash in Mrs. Satisky's science class. Nearly all of us were really sad. She let someone go to their locker for a Skynyrd poster and let him put it up on the wall. Very sad. I saw them in 1987 just after they started that first tour. It was a great show but very emotional, especially when Allen Collins gave his speech about the dangers of drinking/drugs while driving.
Speaking of, yesterday was Allen Collins' birthday. Happy Birthday, wherever you are. You are missed!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFF-FCq95LY&
My old band gathered in our old stomping grounds in Utah and did a reunion show. In true Spinal Tap fashion, our drummer exploded a few days before we gathered to rehearse (drugs are bad, kids) but we shifted and moved forward. It's not pretty but it was fun, and it's got a (Japanese) Thunderbird.
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cool! tight vocals and with a nice little change right at the end there.musta been fun .is it an ibanez thunderbird ?
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Thank you! It's a '77 Greco II. I have a bolt neck Ibanez IV as well but lately I've been playing the Greco more than anything else.
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George,
It's great to see a vid of you playing! No doubt it was great fun :toast:
How about Paul witha Silvertone? Firebird........
Gotta say this pretty damm good sounding to me ( I turned it up!) Gene's having a bit fun with the bass parts. He gets slagged a lot on "that other forum" ........ he's killin' it here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PiVTOLFdBA
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Thanks, Mark!
When Gene wants (wanted?) to be he's an inspired player and composer of fun, McCartney flavored bass lines. Some people could never see past the make up and get that. I totally get that he (and KISS as a whole) are not everyone's cup of tea, but those early albums have some great bass writing and playing.
I like seeing Paul finally try a Firebird again (even if it's one tweaked to his specs). After his black one broke he was quoted as saying that was his favorite guitar ever and that it couldn't be replaced. I was aware of that guitar a few years before I ever saw a Thunderbird bass and it always stayed with me. I love that shape.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFF-FCq95LY&
My old band gathered in our old stomping grounds in Utah and did a reunion show. In true Spinal Tap fashion, our drummer exploded a few days before we gathered to rehearse (drugs are bad, kids) but we shifted and moved forward. It's not pretty but it was fun, and it's got a (Japanese) Thunderbird.
Get a crazy hat and some oversize '70s sunglasses and get your Leon Wilkeson on!
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Get a crazy hat and some oversize '70s sunglasses and get your Leon Wilkeson on!
Ha! I'll take that over the Jerry Garcia comparisons. ;)
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Ha! I'll take that over the Jerry Garcia comparisons. ;)
:thumbsup:
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He's the hairy headed gent, who ran amock in
Kent Merseyside...
Lately he's been overheard in Utah... ;D
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He's the hairy headed gent, who ran amock in Kent Merseyside...
Lately he's been overheard in Utah... ;D
Excitable boy........... ;)
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Have we gotten these guys yet? I love the feel and tone on the studio version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4NWkScIqEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsrZcTm9pwI
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I saw Silversun Pickups open for Muse about 3 years ago. I thought they did great opening for such a big band at a sold out United Center. Thought about buying some of their stuff, but they get a little too Pumpkin-esque for my tastes. I can take it in small doses though!
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Not sure if anyone has posted it before in this thread. But here is Francis Buchholz sporting a NR Tbird II.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdmw4tJJ1Y
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Around the time that video came out there was a NR bird in the local free classifieds in Los Angeles for $150 and it sat there for weeks. The guy couldn't give it away. If I only had a time machine... :mrgreen:
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But then again, Scorpions were never the definition of cool.
So maybe that video didn't really help the sales of NR Tbirds... :mrgreen:
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New one iirc, so I went hunting and found another with a snippet of the NR...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sreYXjndohI
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Around the time that video came out there was a NR bird in the local free classifieds in Los Angeles for $150 and it sat there for weeks. The guy couldn't give it away. If I only had a time machine... :mrgreen:
I think I paid $295 for the white one in my pic that I posted, and it had a headstock repair. I traded it...shudder...for a '73 Jazz Bass with the black block maple neck. Thank you, Dennis Dunaway! :mrgreen:
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Kim Valentine with a custom red Thunderbird.........
How frickken' cool is that neck!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHTRlIeKxE4
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This (The Go-Gos) is horrible!!! The way they hold, fret and pick their instruments already tells you that they can't really play. The models (the unfortunately late) Robert Palmer hired for Addicted to Love did a better job pretending to play. The keyboarderess makes (the unfortunately also late) Linda McCartney look like Keith Emerson, Jon Lord and Rick Wakeman rolled into one. Give me The Runaways, Bangles or Donnas anyday. I need some Fanny to cleanse my ears:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWl5Rr0iIi8
Never liked the music of the Go-Gos, but didn't know how they looked. Now I don't know which is worse.
And that garish Redbird is horrible too.
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Thanx Uwe, I really enjoyed that... ermm... fanny :thumbsup:
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This (The Go-Gos) is horrible!!! The way they hold, fret and pick their instruments already tells you that they can't really play. The models (the unfortunately late) Robert Palmer hired for Addicted to Love did a better job pretending to play.
BULLSHIT. Having gigged with Kathy Valentine on more than one ocassion I can assure you that she can play.
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Well maybe she learned - in that vid she had just joined them and only played guitar before. I have full confidence that Ms Valentine could better her initial performance with the Go-Gos over the decades. There was seemingly ample room for improvement. :-*
Besides, she has sued her former band buddies so that speaks for some semblance of regret in her. :mrgreen:
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Fanny wasn't anywhere near as popular as some of their old fans would like you to believe. They hardly got any airplay anywhere.
I thought the drummer was cute, then I found out she played for the other team.
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This (The Go-Gos) is horrible!!! The way they hold, fret and pick their instruments already tells you that they can't really play.
I don't understand what it is that you're seeing. They just look like they're having a hard time trying to pantomime to their own music for the video shoot, but they certainly hold their instruments like they're used to playing them.
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I thought the drummer was cute, then I found out she played for the other team.
You mean she didn't play with her own Fanny? :popcorn:
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You mean she didn't play with her own Fanny? :popcorn:
;D
I read an article awhile after they broke up, apparently part of the dissension in the group was caused by her bringing her older lesbian lover along with her.
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Rob... isn't it part of your culture to fully understand dykes and their nature...?
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BULLSHIT. Having gigged with Kathy Valentine on more than one ocassion I can assure you that she can play.
Yup, saw them live in Houston at the peak of their popularity - they actually played well and certainly you could tell that they were playing. I have to say that they pulled off a pretty good show.
As far as looks go I kinda like the slightly chubby, pre implants, Belinda and Jane Weidlin was always a little hottie in my book.
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That's a RED T BIRD!
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Who cares about girls ???
Okay, kidding you all.
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How can anybody hate the Go-Go's? To sell that many records, somebody must have thought Belinda Carlisle was cute.
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You mean she didn't play with her own Fanny? :popcorn:
Naw, she probably paracunnididdled. Drummers do that.
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That's a RED T BIRD!
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Who cares about girls ???
Ah... the voice of reason in the wilderness of smut and innuendo, trying to keep us on thread... ;D
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"Wilderness of smut and innuendo" - yup, we invented all three. 8)
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"Wilderness of smut and innuendo" - yup, we invented all three. 8)
Road Worn Cherry............. ;)
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You keep your road worn cherry out of this... :o
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You keep your road worn cherry out of this... :o
Hahaha!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZgMNzke7NI
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Wow, a single pickup T Bird!
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Wow, a single pickup PINK T Bird!
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Well, first gig in 8 years....at a festival....unfortunately, the camera recording didn't pick up the non-reverse goodness that was definitely there live..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-WX-6DkCo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-WX-6DkCo)
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Most camera people never shoot the bass player - or only have them on camera while panning from one guitarist to another, or to the drummer.
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Don't shoot me, I'm only the bass player...!!! :o
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Well, first gig in 8 years....at a festival....unfortunately, the camera recording didn't pick up the non-reverse goodness that was definitely there live..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-WX-6DkCo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-WX-6DkCo)
What I heard of it sounded good and it sure looked great up there!
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Might be a first.......
The headstock says Gibson, it really an Orville.
Me and the girls do a little Ramones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z5oUqv_OK4
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Sync is well out but good shots from around 2:25
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U18tMfvg9lo
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgORMg1ehPg
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See, there are Germans that like chrome pups! ;D
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Excellent. That bass sounds terrific!
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Rudy on a Dean? That's odd for back then.
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Is that odd? Have you seen the video where he plays the oboe?
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I was more surprised about the Dean - given the age of the vid, earliest 80ies - than I would have been about any oboe. I thought the Flying V involvement of the Schenker Brothers with Dean wasn't really older than 10 years or so. Michael certainly only plays Dean these days.
Francis Buchholz did have contacts to Gibson though (as did Rudi Schenker), they even made a Rev all korina TBird for him in the early eighties, but he didn't like the way the sunburst turned out (probably due to the korina underneath), so he didn't take it and it became forgotten until the then new boy luthier Phil Jones began working on it in the late eighties as his pet project. Rumor has it that that TB ended up in the hands of an unknown German Gibson bass collector, but you know how people tend to write all kinds of things.
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Francis Buchholz did have contacts to Gibson though (as did Rudi Schenker), they even made a Rev all korina TBird for him in the early eighties, but he didn't like the way the sunburst turned out (probably due to the korina underneath), so he didn't take it and it became forgotten until the then new boy luthier Phil Jones began working on it in the late eighties as his pet project. Rumor has it that that TB ended up in the hands of an unknown German Gibson bass collector, but you know how people tend to write all kinds of things.
I wouldn't mind seeing a photo of that 'bird...
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It has shiney gold pickups and should be promptly repatriated to the Northwest corner of the U.S.! ;)
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Chrome can really only take you so far. Wars have been fought over gold and empires fallen because of it
(http://www.inkatour.com/peru/photos/incas_1.jpg)
THE SPANISH INVADERS NEVER ASKED FOR CHROME!!!
but who ever started a conquest for chrome, always a material for the wretched, insecure and naive?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/BG1652b.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/BG1652.jpg)
And unlike many other "legendary items" that then sound only so-so, it actually sounds the part too: More transparent than any maho-bird, but retaining the maho-liveliness and warm musicality, yet not sounding as dead as some zebra wood and maple wing TB experiments have.
Francis made a bad choice - not just only when it came to tax consultancy matters. That said, I always liked his economic, yet somehow very engineered and Germanic bass style. Also the only Scorpion of the classic line up that had a schooling that would have allowed him to go to university.
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That bass is a beauty. And I am not a fan of gold hardware.
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Love the bass!
P.S.
It's black plastic that wars aren't fought over ;D
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I don't like gold either, but somehow on the plain Jane korina it works.
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The gold goes well with it. Don't like the block markers though.
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I think Phil Jones' Fender leanings came out on those!
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I love the Blox = Sex! ;D
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Gold T'birds = JAE = PC
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THAT should have been the 50th Ann. model!
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Placed this where it also belongs, featuring our "Blackbird" regular...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gEjNyo0_aQ
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqIDO_PyR_c
Yes, you will find a NR T'bird (0.40) during the Bye Bye Love excerpt but this is for Phil, who we lost today... RIP Phil Everly...
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Yes, you will find a NR T'bird (0.40) during the Bye Bye Love excerpt but this is for Phil, who we lost today... RIP Phil Everly...
RIP Phil. Emphysema is a terrible way to go.
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Sorry...just thought of this one. Shudder To Think - X-French T-Shirt. My mate Stuart Hill on bass.
P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eLnhDzf6p8
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I've been putting RD's in fat-bottoms, George...
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I've been putting RD's in fat-bottoms, George...
OK, I'll move it. Thanks!
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Roger's Bird (before he broke off the headstock in a collision with a mike stand!), some guitarist I have never heard of and Jim Carrey singing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5tY7ORPHMk
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Wow, I've never seen that video before. You sure that's not Falco singing?
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Roger's Bird (before he broke off the headstock in a collision with a mike stand!), some guitarist I have never heard of and Jim Carrey singing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5tY7ORPHMk
That was brutally bad :-X
Not Ritchie's crowning performance there.
They sure as F&%* took off like a bunch of sugared up 10 year old's at slumber party!
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[irony] That is the one-hit-wonder-kid singing, isn't it...? Not a Hellcat moment...? [/irony]
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[irony] That iis the one-hit-wonder-kid singing, isn't it...? Not a Hellcat moment...? [/irony]
I don't know who that is Kenny..........just that singing that song wasn't so good!
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I don't know who that is Kenny..........just that singing that song wasn't so good!
I was thinking it was Graham Bonnet, but whoever it was, was truly in poor form. That was even bar band bad.
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Saw that lineup a couple of times and even posted a (poor) pic of mine with that T'Bird at one of the shows - Bonnet - the shows I saw were enjoyable but he was not Dio, and I saw the 2nd version of that lineup...
Man On The Silver Mountain is one of my all time fave tunes and I can still clearly remember playing the LP for the first time... my copy of the single now resides with someone who deserves it more than me...
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Yes, and danke for it. :mrgreen: Bonnet could have off-key nights. He had amazing range and force, but his hearing could be off some nights, even he has admitted as much. Nothing you would hear this day and age with a little Autotune dialed in (even Rob Halford admits to using one).
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Bitte... I still have my original LP with that wonderful cover, and that little trinket is much more appreciated there than here and we both know it... Dio's voice and Blackmore's guitar and their combined style just worked beautifully, live and studio... it's a shame the (Powell) Rainbow reunion never came off... I always thought RB was brave to walk away from "rock" and follow his heart (CN might just have been an influence) and, significantly, BN is his longest running project...
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I remember having a huge problem with Bonnet's image. They went from this weird little Elf guy, to a sort of pre-Miami Vice looking dude. And his voice was way too raspy for me. I never liked voices like that, or Brian Johnson, Axel Rose, etc... But I will admit, I liked the JLT era Rainbow.
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You, sir, are a brave man. Very brave. :mrgreen: Joe had a nice voice, but it was too close to Lou Gramm's for me and it lacked that turbocharger effect Bonnet's voice had. But I've heard that comparison to Brian Johnson before and it's not inapt at all. And I had issues with his look back then too (but grudgingly accepted how strong his voice was), but a couple of years later (with shorter hair myself) I thought he was cool and ahead of his time. And he had the kudos to get a fresh James Dean haircut when Blackmore "forbade" him to get one, wanting him to grow his hair long(er). (Let's not talk about Joe's hair here and how it is always and always has been in great shape. Or Ritchie's! :mrgreen: )
To restore this particular line-up's credibility here (Roger now with an Ovation Magnum II, bass-promiscuous as he always was):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEnYm6Hkepw
That said, I think Bonnet's best recorded work was - some high points with Alcatrazz apart - with MSG on Assault Attack. Dessert song is such a classic and no one can sing it like him (you hear that a lot from other singers that Bonnet's vocal lines are impossibly hard to replicate). It's also Michael Schenker's best album outside of UFO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLU9lUKzEWM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRxJWBKb_zs
Bonnet came from an utterly non-hard rock, much less heavy metal background, he considered himself to be blue-eyed soul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtdQTHZBK8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSBDlsTyT60
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I was at that Rainbow gig... they played a longer set than that...???
Saw the first 2 MoR events and that was that, never saw another outside gig...
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There is much debate whether the entire Donnington gig was ever filmed in full, but a complete audio recording seems to exist and there is always speculation of it being released. It was the last gig of that line-up (as they knew before), they went out with a bang.
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They played the Rainbow (Theatre) as a special peace-offering post a Wembley show where RB threw a moody - just the set and no encore, iirc.
Something (lengthy) of interest on the subject...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXQiKl_mV38
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Vielen Dank, that was the best Rainbow documentary I've seen so far. It's amazing that all the interviewed ex-members speak so graciously about Blackers given his reputation of being such an ass to other people (he must have at least paid them well). Doogie White (singer no 4 with the consonant-heavy Scottish "ucksunnt")" is a good guy with a big heart who sang all Rainbow eras well (but admitted that Bonnet was the hardest for him, he couldn't do Since you've been gone), he now does good work on the new MSG album and I hope he stays with Schenker for a while. And Bonnet is a great interviewee, totally at ease with himself. Joe Lynn Turner? Ever the cocky Soprano type from New Jersey who's just a little too self-assured and devoid of any selfdeprecating humor.
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There's a guy I know in Chicago who gets free tickets, courtesy of Blackmore, whenever he plays there. Years ago, the guy found Blackmore outside a venue, left behind by the rest of the band. He gave Blackmore a lift to his destination, and Blackmore has been appreciative ever since. I don't know for sure if he still does this, but it was a number of years that he got a call telling him of tickets in Will Call with his name.
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Agreed about the documentary...
... But Bonnet reminded me of a "likely-lad" down the pub with the lads... he was very relaxed... I like his honesty in saying he should have stayed for a few more years... the joy of hindsight... ;)
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"Blackmore has been appreciative ever since"
Small wonder, he can't even drive! :mrgreen:
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He has (or had) a licence but wasn't he late 30's when he took it...?
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Has he? I've never heard of him drivng or even owning a car. Candice/Frau Blackmore does the driving for domestic purposes. The other Purple'ites had Aston Martins and Jag E-Types in the seventies, Blackmore didn't. He had an English bar built into the cellar of his Connecticut mansion.
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Found at least one reference to it in Black Knight (book) and it is referenced on his wiki page circa '84...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0M1OScHUU
Poor man's Highway Star. Plus Roger playing a Ho-ndo Danelectro copy which he apparently loved for a while ...
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Well I just gave that a thumbs up! What a great lineup with RB, Glover, and Rondinelli.
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Keeping on post and thread with this one... last one is both in one vid and middle one has dodgy sound... all with the T'Bird...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqf-EkAjMhE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYtdW5bD-7Q
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhT9fL6w74E
... and whilst on the subject of Rainbow and T'Birds, how about a nod to Craig Grubber and that white NR... sound quality is awful so speakers on if you dare only - just posting for the images...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jec4nGsL2LA
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Kenny Rogers often played a single coil Precision with The First Edition but left the bass duties to a fellow with a NR IV on this occasion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EJGZt3X6uU
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Lovely vid, lovely song, always liked Ruby. Ever heard the cockney version?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU01haMIf6g
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Good one. This song gets covered by the oddest people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk57tQmRw70
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Better than Shattner's "vocals" certainly.
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It might be a ho...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5yZECeCyk
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Kings of Leon are a no brainer when it comes to Tbirds the bass player has been rocking them for years. This isn't a live recording but the tbird tone is instantly recognizable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izzY55ACUQo
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Mike Watt and his Pelham Blue NR II.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cfQaQO-YD4
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Holy shit! I TOTALLY stole that bass line (and tone) from "Big Train" and for one of our originals in my old band and I've never heard that song before. Our song had one more chord and was originally in a different key and that is the only difference. It's probably the same age, too. I've not ever been that big of a Mike Watt fan, but I think that's pretty cool.
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Holy shit! I TOTALLY stole that bass line (and tone) from "Big Train" and for one of our originals in my old band and I've never heard that song before. Our song had one more chord and was originally in a different key and that is the only difference. It's probably the same age, too. I've not ever been that big of a Mike Watt fan, but I think that's pretty cool.
;D
years ago I wrote a song 'Velvet Elvis' (kind of a heartland rock tune) and maybe a month or two the Stray Cats released 'Elvis on Velvet'. :o I couldn't believe it. of course the songs sound quite different. it happens, what can you say?
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HDMCCLlGl4
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Haha, at 2:16 Keith throws up a drumstick and misses it. :)
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I've been looking for a video of theirs that (purportedly) features JAE with the PC "Flame" bass, but I have no idea as to what the song was... :-\
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Mike Watt, Dave Grohl and Eddie Vedder again from Jon Stewart Show, this time performing Blue Öyster Cult's "Red and the Black". The first part of the clip is Stewart's interview with Theo Kogan. Around 3:35 the band starts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raF4GAIdvTw
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Same show, different song...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cfQaQO-YD4
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How'd we miss these (I think) ... ?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQm8rTb9tZU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmoabKcA4Cc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKF-lHIgJII
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kt5KsF_aSM
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Oh my, Michael looked horrible around that time, bad dress sense too. Mogg should have sucker-punched him right there.
Moving on ... some black cat singing a song I've never heard, but there's a 60ies TBird too so why complain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ne2I9t3CtM
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And we never get enough of Martin here ... The King will Come like you have never heard it before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E6n4_n8mZ8
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I've seen this video a number of times over the last few years but I never noticed the bird back there. :mrgreen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dDnv9zeLs
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Corey Parks of Nashville Pussy fame in one of the 'audience' extras.
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Mike Watt playing a Pelham Blue NR II with Eddie Vedder, Pat Smear and Dave Grohl on the John Stewart Show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cfQaQO-YD4
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I've seen this video a number of times over the last few years but I never noticed the bird back there. :mrgreen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dDnv9zeLs
I'll watch it a couple more times. If you say it's in there I believe you.
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Tiran Porter playing anEB3L, not... :mrgreen:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kl0rAnLvJs
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I'll watch it a couple more times. If you say it's in there I believe you.
Exactly!
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... and somewhat frustratingly, it still does not play in the UK... ???
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA8tUUrSTIw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA8tUUrSTIw)
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Voilà, Shaking Street!!! Pas de Ross le Boss in this vid though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzvas-HKx4Y
Mais ici:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3DH9XUCVto
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I've seen this video a number of times over the last few years but I never noticed the bird back there. :mrgreen:
Comments:
1. Chick is hot
2. Tbird is there, but only the pickguard gives it away
3. Chick is hot
4. I'm sure lots of rednecks have "soiled" their bandanas over her.
5. Chick is hot
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This is all very frustrating... :rolleyes:
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I don't think Gretchen Wilson is hot at all, and I don't like her style.
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A video a guy made of us from what I think is a 'board mix'..
NR goodness..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlsAb5w5c-w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlsAb5w5c-w)
Not sure how you guys add Youtube vids like above..
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You make that NR bird sing. Nice going.
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Not sure how you guys add Youtube vids like above..
You're overcomplicating things. Just copy and paste the YouTube URL as is -- don't put it between tags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlsAb5w5c-w
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thanks 4stringer and Dave! I'll remember the link embedding moving forward
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I find that usually when a YouTube link appears as a link rather than as an embedded video window, there's an "https" at the start of the URL. Deleting the "s" usually allows it to appear as an embedded window.
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I find that usually when a YouTube link appears as a link rather than as an embedded video window, there's an "https" at the start of the URL. Deleting the "s" usually allows it to appear as an embedded window.
That was true before we upgraded to SMF 2.x. Now it doesn't matter.
Blackbird was putting the link between URL tags, that's why it was appearing as a link.
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Anyone post THIS one? DUAL jamming white 64 TBirds on the same stage during the 70s TBird reissue period.
...and more members of Mott the Hoople than you can shake a stick at, with an Ian Hunter clone :)
British Lions 'Wild One' Radio Bremen, Germany - YouTube
? 5:17? 5:17
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzpqN20Qx_I
Mar 12, 2013 - Uploaded by Angel Air
British Lions perform 'Wild One' for Radio Bremen, Germany in 1978. ... Ian Hunter Band ...
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It looks Like Pete's T bird is stripped on the edges of the headstocks as well as the back of the neck!!!
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I remember seeing this on TV at the time - the second TBird player is a kid from the audience which Overend just pulled out and handed an unplugged instrument.
The British Lions were the Mott the Hoople remnants' last attempt - after the short-lived Mott - to leave the shadow of Ian Hunter behind. John Fiddler was initially a strange choice for a band as visually oriented as Mott - glasses, beard, slightly overweight -, but he morphed quickly into what you see in the vid. However, in the Punk/New Wave deluge of the time, their cause was a lost one. Strange that they had a full 45 minute live TV show awarded to them as neither Mott the Hoople nor Mott had amounted to much in Germany.
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I think this is a new one to here...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB-tnUqLHyg
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Anyone speak Japanese?
Reverse 'Birds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVPxnecYtMM
Non-Reverse 'Birds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aDiy8nbYVA
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How could this thread have gone on so long without mention of the
Faces Quireboys?!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO6BXAVap2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9-Di1KGdPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQD-VN5w3KY
Faces pastiche or not, they were/are a fine band. That kind of gritty R'n'B-infused goodtime rock'n'roll Brits pretending to be Yanks do best. Or Yanks pretending to be Brits (Black Crowes) pretending to be Yanks.
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I actually watched a few of their video's recently. I had forgotten about them for the most part until I read an article about a band called The Peckham Cowboys, which features a couple of the members from LQB's. They definitely borrowed from the Faces sound.
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After Rod declined they really should have gotten Spike to do that Faces reunion.
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I actually watched a few of their video's recently. I had forgotten about them for the most part until I read an article about a band called The Peckham Cowboys, which features a couple of the members from LQB's. They definitely borrowed from the Faces sound.
It's ok, we've had myriads of Zep clones, so if a handful of bands opt for the Faces ...
I like the piano tinkling in their music. It's the Elton John fan in me trying to escape.
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Quireboys are playing in town tonight with Enuff Z'nuff. I never checked them out, figuring they were another poseur metal ("hair") band. That's some decent rock and roll there though!
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They came in around the end of the hair metal craze when bands seemed to be following more of the G-n-R model of trashiness. I saw them in a smaller club here in Phx and they were a very fun live band.
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Quireboys were sadly buried in the post GnR tidal wave of trashy rock, much like their fellow Londoners the (also brilliant) Dogs D'amour
really good band and nice guys to boot. their Bass player is Phil Mogg's nephew
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I guess this can go here here as the Knack have got a Bird.
strangely brilliant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upzSLOfhn44
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Quireboys were sadly buried in the post GnR tidal wave of trashy rock, much like their fellow Londoners the (also brilliant) Dogs D'amour
really good band and nice guys to boot. their Bass player is Phil Mogg's nephew
I enjoyed the Dogs as well. And as a matter of fact a TBird makes a few brief appearances in this video:
http://youtu.be/JyXq7Qmua7A
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Ah, so he had the TBird in his DNA via Pete Way.
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in my opinion the best Quireboys track was never released as a single, but it used to fill the dancefloor when I used to DJ at a rock club in the early nineties
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0ILZv4Dbqo
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Same era. An early Thunder video
Saw them about a dozen times live.
I sort of over-ate on Thunder. Got fed up with them at a certain point.
But they were an excellent band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6qNNtVNeYs
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AEROSMITH - DREAM ON (1973 ) Legendado - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=92SIK4O2UD0
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Wow... not known them playing with a full orchestra (was that Michael Kamen with the baton?)... any more where that came from...?
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Another sighting of a NR in the wild. I just joined these guys about 4 months ago, 4 hour set two rehearsals :o I am having a ball with these guys. This gig was weird, huge club cut up in thirds. large nonsmoking bar and eating area up front, in the middle smoking bar pool table area, and in the back the band. we were playing a benefit for a local police officers family who was killed in the line of duty. It was very well attended maybe 1,200 people . They had the buffet in the band room so people filed in got their food (some did stay) and went back out front where they could sit and eat drink and smoke LOL there was a big glass wall between us and the smoking room literally hundreds of people watching us through the glass it was weird! Any yet again my beat up '66 I love this bass! https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=728658933868515&set=vb.137422269658854&type=2&theater
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They have specialised places with people performing behind glass in Holland too, so I've heard... ;)
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They have specialised places with people performing behind glass in Holland too, so I've heard... ;)
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Perhaps this is what they mean by going Dutch; splitting the bill...?
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The first London Quireboys album was a good one, and the fact that Jim Cregan produced couldn't *possibly" have anything to do with that Faces sound. :o
I didn't check all 38 pages of this running thread, so I'm not sure if we got this one yet....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNZpkimAZSI
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You're in the clear, Gary... ;)
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How could we have missed the bass player (Tony James) of this young bottle-blond talent?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR6TSe1Gqfo
And while I was looking for this, I stumbled across one of the loveliest TV announcement of a band ever, Marc, you are sorely missed, excuse the Ric for once:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tr2HBJJQGU
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Everyone's allowed a quirk or two round here... ;)
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Hey, at least Rics aren't Fenders! Somewhere, there must be a purgatory for them then.
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(http://ritchieblackmoresrainbow.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/untitled-6.jpg)
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I think that was an article in an old Kerrang...
Not much motion in that video, mind you... ;)
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Well, it's a close enough fit! :P
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Ah... I understand...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K9rVRuehGU :mrgreen:
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Lefty alert!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss4jYTd8KUo
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http://youtu.be/cjstAZIuoqY
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RIP kim Fowley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMDn6V7ZLhE#t=95
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Somebody signed-up on the site had first-hand experience of that gent... he looked terrible in his latter years... rip...
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RIP kim Fowley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMDn6V7ZLhE#t=95
Ah, Frau Currie, she couldn't sing, didn't have a voice (more of a sneer) and wasn't much of a dancer either (in the Cher league - minus the strutting catwalk routine). But I'm not saying she was without inherent qualities. My sheets didn't lie.
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I remember the Runaways, some young female friend of my dad left two records at our home when I was a kid. It was the studio album, and live in japan. I recall liking the fact that they were girls, played instruments, Lita Ford was in the band, and the bass girl had a white gibson!
And later in the nineties, when my younger sister was in the worst Spice Girls craze, I pulled them out of dad's album stack to show
her what a girls group should sound like.
After two songs, I had to admit Spice Girls was better.
And looking at them now, ok they are cute - but to me they look too young even to be tampered with by musicians!
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My sheets didn't lie.
I hope the evidence is gone by now :mrgreen:
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Stained class!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bc/Jpstandclass.jpg/220px-Jpstandclass.jpg)
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The Runaways always sounded leaden and angular, Lita Ford's lead guitar being the one notable exception. But then so did early Kiss, I'm sure the Runaways would have improved over time too as musicians. I never trusted that Live in Japan recording, that just must have been heavily doctored. They were not up to the standard of giving sich a performance yet. But again: Unleashed in the
Studio East was no Japan live recording either.
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My new LA Guns fascination led me to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvh0n3Gfq7c
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I believe those are B C Rich Birds that he was using in that video. The purple and polka dot model pops up on Tbird threads at TB semi-regularly,
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UFO in Germany Wednesday night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaohDoE3BHk
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Phil Mogg looks like someone's grandma :o
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Have we had this...?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPDcwjJ8pLg
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Phil Mogg looks like someone's grandma :o
He reminds me more of the late Red Buttons.
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He reminds me more of the late Red Buttons.
That's perfect. Spot on!
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Tiny girl with a large TBird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0gOdQHpHn0
better audio here:
http://sunflowerbean.bandcamp.com/album/show-me-your-seven-secrets-ep
(https://f1.bcbits.com/img/0003398555_10.jpg)
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Non-reverse reversed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss4jYTd8KUo
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I posted this a while back but it looks like that one got deleted from YouTube, so here it is again. But now it's Baz's bird (again)!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ZoBmN_D4w
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Not sure if anyone posted this one yet but I couldn't go thru 40 pages of posts to find out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_IWlPHMziU
Also, Malcolm is playing the White Falcon, which is almost as big as he is. 8)
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Nice spot, Frankie... I don't think we've had that one before, but there's an awful lot of posts now... ;D
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Thunderbirds, Firebird and Les Pauls, oh my.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMD0aeZRDB4
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He reminds me more of the late Red Buttons.
Or if he sewed some question marks onto his outfit.....he would look sort of like Frank Gorshen as "The Riddler" from the 60s "Batman" TV series.
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Riddle me not, eMCee of the York that may be modern, but is not, and also bears an echo... ;)
... or offer him some black-and-white pancake and a job in a Star Trek remake...?
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Spotted Tbird playing with Chuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxxrrUXKMo
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Poor backing band. As usual, they probably didn't have a single rehearsal with him.
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And he probably chewed them out afterwards, if he didn't chew them out on stage. But he's Chuck, and that's what he does.
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Poor backing band. As usual, they probably didn't have a single rehearsal with him.
I didn't think Chuck ever rehearsed with his sidemen. Just expected them to know his stuff and follow the changes.
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Only ever wrote one song, and everyone, including us all here, has covered it... ;)
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That bass player, Billy Kinsley, might have been sole responsible for that dum-de-dum corny beat that, from the early 70's, came to be the standard of bass playing for Mr Berry. "Just follow the bass drum, kid!" Boring, boring, boring.
But Kinsley had been around earlier on. He was the bass player of The Merseybeat before he split in -64, and was replaced by the excellent John Gustafson. Kinsley later returned to form The Merseys of Sorrow fame.
As far as I know, The Merseybeats were the first group to use T-bird/F-bird bass, and guitars. Looked real coool! http://www.lastfm.se/music/The+Merseybeats/+images/94455281
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Big hair, a bird and a Bird, New Country & a Queen chestnut ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tje63_DA0Tc
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That's a great remake, Uwe. I really enjoyed that.
That's only a "cover" in that people know some of the lyrics to sing along with it...which IMO is a big plus.
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They've countrified it in a way that now all of the sudden the Queen original sounds country'ish to me!
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Poor backing band. As usual, they probably didn't have a single rehearsal with him.
Chuck hit the odd bum note in there too so, whatever.
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They've countrified it in a way that now all of the sudden the Queen original sounds country'ish to me!
I like that. It shows you how music can cross genres. If Los Straitjackets can play this tune surf style, then ANYTHING can be done surf style...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH93CUu8Rdw
Or this one, straight out of the big band era...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdQindcX_r0
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The Band Perry is every bit as country as Rachel Dolezal is black.
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Claws away, Dave... :mrgreen:
The latter is quite news-worthy here too...
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The Band Perry is every bit as country as Rachel Dolezal is black.
Oh my, it's New Country, pop music with country elements and country inspired instrumentation, Dave, get over it! It has long become its own music form and industry. Blame Poco, The Eagles and Garth Brooks or whatever. Granted, with The Band Perry, the bass player does tend to want to look like a hard rocker. But Country Pop really is nothing new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4wcNVbYOQ
The definition of what constitutes country and what doesn't is about as fruitful as the one trying to determine what real blues is and what isn't. :bored: :bored: :bored: You will never be able to develop abstract criteria that work for all cases.
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Back when I started as a DJ (1968) we did indeed have both kinds of music - country AND western! I like ballads, and I remember Dick Curless' "Heartline Special" was one of my faves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utJLlEruKjg
...and another was Marty Robbins' "El Paso" which was 9 years old and still a highly requested song....(c'mon, click on it, you know you want to hear it one more time...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zBzZJd-nfw
Unfortunately, we still had a lot of stuff like Roy Acuff's version of "Great Speckled Bird" which was old-style southern hymn made into a "country" record. Never did anything for me at all, and I tend to shudder a bit when I hear it.
And I don't recommend listening for more than 60 seconds...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRbfQrKcVjg
But that style of music has long been abandoned by all but the most nostalgic country artists. Now as noted above, we have pop music with a country overlay. IMO much of it is better than current pop music, although I'm not a country listener.
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Blues and country were the core of rock. And as rock grew legs in the 60ies it looked at some of its roots more closely and bands such as Buffalo Springfield, The Birds, Gram Parsons or the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band took on board country influences while bands such as Ten Years After, Chicken Shack, Fleetwood Mac and Canned Heat looked closer at the blues. Some bands looked at both (Rolling Stones).
For a long time there seemed to be a greater influence of country on rock than the other way around, I remember bands as diverse as Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, The Band, Flying Burrito Brothers, Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris, Eagles, Poco and even America or Dr. Hook & The Medicine Show all being referred to as "country rock" here in Europe in the 70ies. And some bands played country tunes where you would haver never thought it: :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms2_Qk788vo
But come around the 80ies and 90ies, rock had become such a prevalent force in popular music that its influences started running into country music - and that led to the emergence of New Country in which I hear traces of U2, AOR (of the Journey, REO and Foreigner type) and even LA pop/hair metal.
And I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing - it certainly has dusted off country music on one hand and raised recognition in rock quarters where that music initially also sprang from (other than the blues).
The discussion whether a piece of music now qualifies for "real" or just "new" country does remind me a bit of the furor Herr Zimmermann caused when he strapped a Strat around his shoulder at the Newport Festival in the early 60ies and was all of the sudden no longer perceived as a folkie by the diehards. Incidentally, I'm seeing him on Friday once again and he will no doubt be shifting from country to rock to folk to blues effortlessly from song to song.
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The Band Perry is every bit as country as Rachel Dolezal is black.
I'm embarrassed that she lives in Washington State :sad:
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I'm embarrassed that she lives in Washington State :sad:
Aside from the fact that she has been "passing", I'm still trying to find the problem. If she had been black and passing as white, I doubt that anyone would dare to say a word about it.
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Aside from the fact that she has been "passing", I'm still trying to find the problem. If she had been black and passing as white, I doubt that anyone would dare to say a word about it.
Maybe you and I are the only two people who feel this way then. Everyone seems angry with her, blacks, whites, conservatives, liberals--you name it. Maybe her actions were deceptive, if someone wants to look at it that way. But I don't view what she did as malicious. I'd rather save my disapproval for stuff that actually is malicious. This whole story seems to be much ado about nothing anyway.
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I guess she heard too much John Lennon, it happens.
Public health notice: Video is safe for work, Yoko Ono only on - largely inaudible - percussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtY5bv-oxLE
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There's no TBird in that vid Uwe. As a lawyer we expect you to understand these things, no matter how topical you may think it is. A Fender no less, here? Tres gauche.
Maybe you and I are the only two people who feel this way then. Everyone seems angry with her, blacks, whites, conservatives, liberals--you name it. Maybe her actions were deceptive, if someone wants to look at it that way. But I don't view what she did as malicious. I'd rather save my disapproval for stuff that actually is malicious. This whole story seems to be much ado about nothing anyway.
In the other direction plenty would also be said. If not by whites, then definitely by blacks. I am certain of it. At the very least it would be a panel topic on the nightly show.
I just hope this lady gets the help she so obviously needs. I do understand why black people are upset - it's kinda like some next level mashup of cultural appropriation and blackface.
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"In the future everyone will be black for 15 minutes."
Andy "Soulbrother" Warhol
Which reminds me of this book here I read at high school:
(http://www.google.de/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.audioeditions.com/audio-book-images/l/Black-Like-Me-309666.jpg&sa=X&ved=0CAUQ8wdqFQoTCI648ueelcYCFYZaFAodiVMAaw&usg=AFQjCNGGw8971LCasZW2ySvK-VPBg-JdHA)
(http://www.google.de/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51riKNFUmWL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg&sa=X&ved=0CAUQ8wc4FmoVChMIoda9kp-VxgIVCccUCh3ZxgBH&usg=AFQjCNEjHn_YWDKgc6T5Bq3WR9FGerSm4w)
That hardly ever gets mentioned anymore, pity, it was an enlightening read.
Besides, criticism of Ms Dolezal is somewhat evolution-forgotten. Of course her ancestors were black, you just need to go back a bit. Africa was the womb of early mankind and, no, our ancestors weren't WASPs nor did they look like they were under the African sun.
(http://www.humanjourney.us/images/Homo_erectusSm.jpg)
Wasn't Jessica Alba slammed a couple of years ago for being forgetful of her alleged black origins? Either way, go back in some families and there might be surprises. Like Dwight "Ike" Eisenhower's grandmom Elizabeth Link, she didn't exactly look like she had been dropped off by the Mayflower:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8xlydSEqR1rbmlnqo1_500.jpg)
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Aside from the fact that she has been "passing", I'm still trying to find the problem. If she had been black and passing as white, I doubt that anyone would dare to say a word about it.
You may not be hearing the specifics Al, she has applied for positions in government and on a police oversight committee stating that she is black. You can palpably feel Spokane's embarrassment all the way over here....
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You may not be hearing the specifics Al, she has applied for positions in government and on a police oversight committee stating that she is black. You can palpably feel Spokane's embarrassment all the way over here....
Yes, and, she got her masters from Howard University and then sued the traditionally black institution because she claimed bias against her as a white woman? ??? Case got thrown out and she was forced to pay legal fees.
She has some mental issues to deal with I imagine.
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Poor girl obviously can't decide what she wants to be.
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How's this....
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/dolezal_zpsfygfg5qs.jpg)
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I guess she heard too much John Lennon, it happens.
Public health notice: Video is safe for work, Yoko Ono only on - largely inaudible - percussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtY5bv-oxLE
There is no such thing as listening to John Lennon too much. Yoko Ono is another story.
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I'm in shock... one of my cousins is running for El Presidente...
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There's no TBird in that vid Uwe. As a lawyer we expect you to understand these things, no matter how topical you may think it is. A Fender no less, here? Tres gauche.
In the other direction plenty would also be said. If not by whites, then definitely by blacks. I am certain of it. At the very least it would be a panel topic on the nightly show.
I just hope this lady gets the help she so obviously needs. I do understand why black people are upset - it's kinda like some next level mashup of cultural appropriation and blackface.
But it's not like this kind of thing hasn't been done before in American history. During the Harlem Renaissance, for instance, there were some white women married to black artists and intellectuals involved in that movement who passed themselves off as black.
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I'm embarrassed that she lives in Washington State :sad:
White is the new black.
Douchebags with phony rural accents singing blue collar versions of smutty college frat boy rock are the new country.
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Spokane is probably more angry than embarrassed, I'd guess.
Dolezal wouldn't be news if it was just about her passing as black. The problem is that she lied for financial advantage. Her teaching position, her NAACP position, etc.
Then there's the matter of her repeated lies about being the victim of hate crimes, never with any evidence.
She still won't fess up. She's mentally ill.
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Spokane is probably more angry than embarrassed, I'd guess.
Dolezal wouldn't be news if it was just about her passing as black. The problem is that she lied for financial advantage. Her teaching position, her NAACP position, etc.
Then there's the matter of her repeated lies about being the victim of hate crimes, never with any evidence.
She still won't fess up. She's mentally ill.
That puts a better point on it....but if she got her NAACP position by claiming to be black - and not by merit - that says something about their selection process. Same for her teaching position; why do you have to be black to teach in that program? (Other similar programs do have whites teaching in them.) I think it pays to look at the reverse positions.
Bottom line; yes, in practice, those positions actually are pretty much reserved for blacks. What does that say about things?
What a mess.
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I don't know anything about the teaching position she had. But her NAACP position was a voluntary one with no pay.
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This is interesting but seems like a discussion for the outpost cafe.
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But it's not like this kind of thing hasn't been done before in American history. During the Harlem Renaissance, for instance, there were some white women married to black artists and intellectuals involved in that movement who passed themselves off as black.
They were at least black by marriage ;P
seriously, though, I wouldn't know about that, because not my time/city/country, but just because something's been done before doesn't make it ok.... and I'm sure those ladies weren't able to physically take on the part as much as this time. Did any of them apply for public or other office under the guise of being a visible minority (in a time when that sort of thing would be a criteria vs a roadblock?). There was less to gain (and so much to lose) from doing this back in the day; this ladylooks to have done this (partially) for gain (career advancement).
Anyway, I'm not bothered; just saying I understand why the black community would be. To be fair, some of them aren't bothered either, but like me just think the whole thing is whack.
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They were at least black by marriage ;P
seriously, though, I wouldn't know about that, because not my time/city/country, but just because something's been done before doesn't make it ok.... and I'm sure those ladies weren't able to physically take on the part as much as this time. Did any of them apply for public or other office under the guise of being a visible minority (in a time when that sort of thing would be a criteria vs a roadblock?). There was less to gain (and so much to lose) from doing this back in the day; this ladylooks to have done this (partially) for gain (career advancement).
Anyway, I'm not bothered; just saying I understand why the black community would be. To be fair, some of them aren't bothered either, but like me just think the whole thing is whack.
Mostly what I know about the Harlem Renaissance is what I encountered in history courses from time to time through the years. I don't have any detailed knowledge of it. But there was a Vanderbilt professor talking about it on TV yesterday. He is the one who pointed out that several black intellectuals associated with the Harlem Renaissance had white wives who passed as black. When asked why they did that, he noted that people had assumed they were black because they were married to black men and they hadn't felt the need to correct people on their mistaken assumptions. He also pointed out that American history had other examples of this kind of thing. I think probably when things like this happen there will always be some blacks who won't accept it, won't like it, etc. That's, of course, what Rachel Dolezal is now finding out the hard way. Still, although what she did was unwise, it's not like it was something terribly offensive, IMO. It was strange, but there is a lot of strange stuff out there, both good and bad. That's why I actually agree with that saying "truth is stranger than fiction."
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Yeah, I don't the the Harlem Renaissance situation as even remotely similar to the current one if it is only what you have described. The main difference being the intent (lack thereof in the Harlem cases).
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Yeah, I don't the the Harlem Renaissance situation as even remotely similar to the current one if it is only what you have described. The main difference being the intent (lack thereof in the Harlem cases).
I think you might want to go beyond what I have described. It's only a rough paraphrase of what a Vanderbilt professor who is supposedly an expert on the topic said. In his opinion, the two situations were comparable. He also was remaining neutral on the subject and so am I. I've studied race relations to an extent in school, but it isn't the kind of thing I particularly want to delve into very much on a a message board. It's way too controversial and nuanced for me to try to navigate.
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This is interesting but seems like a discussion for the outpost cafe.
Yep, I don't I've posted this here. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CixEmWtUj9s
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Say what you will about The Nasty Habits, but at least they don't pretend to be someone they're not. It's all real. Unlike this Ms Duh-Liesel or whatever her name is.
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Say what you will about The Nasty Habits, but at least they don't pretend to be someone they're not. It's all real. Unlike this Ms Duh-Liesel or whatever her name is.
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I take pleasure in this ;D
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That Jackson sounds absof***inglutely killer. Immediately noticed it when I played it. And you play that bass run with a a great groove and nice pick snap, sounds better than on the Bangles original!!!
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That Jackson sounds absof***inglutely killer. Immediately noticed it when I played it. And you play that bass run with a a great groove and nice pick snap, sounds better than on the Bangles original!!!
Agreed! Are those EMGs?
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I take pleasure in this ;D
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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That does indeed sound nasty... suits the band name! Nicely played!
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That Jackson sounds absof***inglutely killer. Immediately noticed it when I played it. And you play that bass run with a a great groove and nice pick snap, sounds better than on the Bangles original!!!
Thanks guys!
I think the original was on a keyboard, but I'm often wrong about this sort of thing....
Uwe, I remember you saying "that bass is a razor" when you played it, this was about two weeks after you and Edith were here - on Halloween. Tom, they are EMGs with a pre amp, I forget who's tho, it's my only active bass, nice to have every now and then. Kinda rare too, one of only 56 made before Henry J rattled the lawsuit saber back in '93.
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The Fraulein is promoting the use of toys with batteries... and with Lawyer approval...?
Shocking... truly shocking...
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Oops, sorry Mark, I had skipped the video not realizing it was your band. That Jackson sounds great.
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The Fraulein is promoting the use of toys with batteries... and with Lawyer approval...?
Shocking... truly shocking...
It's filled with Teutonic cleverness :P
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Another fan of that Jackson. Sounds great!
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Here's a video of Badlands featuring Greg Chaisson on a BC Rich Thunderbird type bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lJi0W4ZZsg
On a side note: Greg is fighting cancer at the moment. The cancer seems to have started on the base of the tongue and then spread to the lymph nodes. His lymph nodes have been removed. Once his surgery has healed he will start radiation and chemo. His prognosis is good.
Another great bass player / musician that needs some support and get well wishes (and prayers if you're a religious person).
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Zack Anderson, bass player of the band Blues Pills is playing a Non Reverse Thunderbird in the live video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=132&v=4LUOD4JquVU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzzumaitk4M
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Zack Anderson, bass player of the band Blues Pills is playing a Non Reverse Thunderbird in the live video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=132&v=4LUOD4JquVU
It's a good thing that the early 70ies - or should I say late 60ies? - apparently never stopped. This is so retro, it's endearing. Reminds me of Zephyr.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg8rOs94mB0
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Very derivative but very endearing, too. I'd say maybe more early 70s than late 60s, but that's a judgment call. I wouldn't have known they were from Sweden if I hadn't looked it up.
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Reminds me of Zephyr
To my taste buds Zephyr had a much more jazzy slant to their music ...... plus a young Tommy Bolin and what a unique guitarist he was !
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True, Zephyr were jazzier, that was the Hammond player in part, but Bolin could easily slip in a jazz mode too. It explained why he would end up on Billy Cobham and Alphonse Mouzon albums, and of course his own failed Energy project was an attempt of cracking the early 7Oies jazz rock market in the wake of the Mahavishnu Orchestra too. When Bolin's guitar playing got frenzied, it always reminded me of Be Bop Jazz, think Charlie Parker.
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Pond - Rock Collection (live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlMstR93s7Q
Quite a mundane punk ballad, but with a really filthy bass tone.
I know nothing about Pond other than that they spanned a weird musical chasm between US hardcore, post-punk and (proto) emo music. So niche that my buddy who is into hardcore (American Football et al) hadn't even heard of them. Their album "The Practice of Joy Before Death' has some suitably chunky bass tones.
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Been 35 years or more since I've heard that Zephyr album...I bought it for like fifty cents brand new from the cut-out bin at a Camelot Records a bazillion years ago.
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Poor man's Janis Joplin or not, they had their moments. They matured on the second album and the (in effect: Bolin's) songwriting perked up. This could have been a hit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I93uiaJ9cs
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45 years have passed and I still love this .......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IUFgx_Sg70
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Tommy had that terse tone I liked. He was as un-Blackmore as you can get, but the first time I heard him I thought: This guy is different. BTW, they rated each other even though both were not without arrogance as regards other guitarists.
Private Eyes is still one of my favorite rock albums and then there is of course always this great rendition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXyjp-h0OQE
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Travelling south from Scotland... Saturday Rock Show on Radio 1... heard this for the first time as a brand-new release... easily my favourite song of his, damaged hand or not...
Still remember it coming over the radio that he was gone, all too soon... :sad:
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It was a great song of his for ze Purps to cover and they did it swell (if you listen carefully to the harder tracks of Private Eyes you can hear how the "Purple Wall of Sound" also left a lasting imprint with Tommy, his backing band sounds much heavier on Private Eyes than on Teaser). I remember ordering Last Concert in Japan from the UK at the time (1977) from a dealer who had procured some copies of the Japan only release (it was an NME ad) and sending him - pre PayPal daze, much less did student Uwe have a credit card (or his parents) - the necessary GBP in bills I exchanged at the bank! Everyone laughed - "They'll never send it, you know!" (they hadn't even mentioned the possibility of international shipping, I just doubled or tripled what they had asked for UK shipping), but send they did it, nicely packaged too (to this day: danke!). I almost wetted myself at receipt. "Errr, you have a package from England!?" my mom welcomed me after school. I was mighty proud having it at the time - it took years until it saw a European release and all my friends loved it, especially Wild Dogs and the You Keep on Moving and Smoke on the Water versions on it. Still have it too. Plus the cool Japanese sheet inside which I couldn't read a word of!!!
That concert is today regarded as one of the better ones of the Mark IV line up, never mind Tommy's bad-shot-of-heroin-afflicted-arm at the time. He grooved! And Glenn Hughes was obviously in seventh heaven playing with him after years with aloof Ritchie and that enthusiasm rubbed off on the whole band. Some Peruvian produce might have helped of course, "Marching Powder" wasn't only another Tommy Bolin song DP would perform.
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Now as an (possible) odd quirk, it would not surprise me if we both bought it from the same shop at the same time... wasn't in Hammersmith in West London was it...? if you recall...? only place that I knew that stocked it at the time...
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It's too long ago, Ken, but it might have been. I believe it was a London address.
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Great shop... walk out the front door, look left, and there was the Hammersmith Odeon...!
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This here combination could be seen as a little bit odd. Only goes to show the versatility of the T-bird: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shViowN8J9o
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Just found this vid of Felix Pappalardi playing his Thunderbird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdZMAsmvctI
This is a better version of the audio which reveals a very woody sounding Thunderbird II probably strung with flats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI-9rab2eX0
and here's the singer, Mountain's drummer, Corky Laing talking about the bass. I think it's evident he mixed the bass up with the EB1 regarding it's sound. Funny how he says him and Leslie thought it sounded like an elephant fart and he preferred the kind of tone Duck Dunn was getting with his P bass instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DK-TV5o62I
You'll have to watch the last vid on youtube it seems.
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Do Epiphone TB Pros count too? Played by middle-aged Slade-adoring punks? Jake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q07IL4mWksY
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Do Epiphone TB Pros count too? Played by middle-aged Slade-adoring punks? Jake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q07IL4mWksY
I'm not going to listen to that, and I've never listened to more than a couple of Slade songs, but The Vibrators were always considered a punk band (Automatic Lover, Stiff Little Fingers). You just said in another thread that there's no connection whatsoever between Jim Lea and punk bass. So which is it?
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Read the other post again in full, Dave! I was initially paraphrasing there Jake's daring hypothesis. Before proceeding to dismember it in Blitzkrieg (Bop) fashion. You know, the ole Hegel/Marx thing, Thesis - Antithesis - Synthesis.
If Slade had nothing to do with punk, then the US had nothing to do with the UK and you're all Spaniards really.
I had valiantly hoped that the irony of a statement such as
"Jim Lea and punk bass playing really is like maple and syrup, there is no connection whatsoever ..."
would not go unnoticed to more seasoned eyes, but of course I should have flagged the obvious contradiction via italics or somesuch ...
Of course, there is always the chance that Jake, who should be more attuned to his home products, might have picked up on the caustic nature of my statement a tad bit earlier. :)
Humo(u)r is a lot like sex at highschool, not everybody gets it at first, but the eventual experience ... tends to be of revelatory nature!!!
:-*
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I knew you were trying to get some point across, it just didn't make any sense. Lost in translation from arena rock to punk.
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You and your little filing compartments. Weren't The Clash arena rock too? The Damned as spoofy as Slade. Didn't Television's Marquee Moon feature more harmonic guitar leads than an Allman Brothers and a Wishbone Ash album put together?
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Uwe, you are really trying to get a rise out of me aren't you.
Weren't The Clash arena rock too?
Nope; playing a few arena shows (in the age of arena shows) towards the end/pinnacle of your career does not make you arena rock. ... Just like how the KLF were "stadium house" without ever really playing a stadium (at least not before that genre was defined, and they had moved on).
The Damned as spoofy as Slade.
Again, nope. I don't recall Slade ever singing about topics even remotely as serious as LGBT issues, youth violence, and the cult of celebrity as a social disease. The Damned's spoofyness was limited to their wardrobe and even then, they did it better and with more taste and political statement than Slade ever cared about (see above re LGBT issues and cross-reference with Captain Sensible's drag). ... also a lot of sarcasm.
Didn't Television's Marquee Moon feature more harmonic guitar leads than an Allman Brothers and a Wishbone Ash album put together?
I doubt this is even possible ... and Marquee Moon is rather slim on the guitar overdubs - they just didn't have the budget for that much studio time. They were also using Jazzmasters vs Les Pauls - they just sound like that - more trebly, less low end beef and richer in harmonic content (see also Sonic Youth).
But it's all rock, so of course some things done by classic/prog bands would also be done by punks (not just the windmills). It's not that punk can't do anything classic rock did, more so that it had to do it different - more or over the top for example, as here - 2 guitars both playing lead and no rythmm/riffage (very unlike the Allmans and Wishbone; very blues rocky with melodic leads and synched instruments vs TV's quirky jazziness with dueling minimalist leads).
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Don't get me started on The Clash who were too chicken shit to venture out of their hotel in Belfast without bodyguard protection when Rory Gallagher had toured Northern Ireland and Ireland a few years earlier while the bombs were going off left and right. Nonchalantly and without police protection.
The Clash were a bunch of poseurs. It's the one thing David Lee Roth and Johnny Lydon agree on.
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Fair enough, except the Pistols weren't exactly badasses either though Sid loved picking fights (getting his arse whooped every time - so much so the Slits wrote a song about it called So Tough) - it was "all a con" (to quote Joe Strummer) - and not a particularly opaque one; the point was to lampoon that this is what the establishment expected of the day's lower class youth which wasn't based in reality or fair - as well as the fact that it was always a con, with any band (that's what as Joe postulated in the interview I quoted). Further, specifically about Belfast, Rory was from Ireland (a few miles west of the N Ireland border - Belfast was the closest major city ); used to it, knew the streets as it were - also a mature adult, a decade or so senior to any of the Clash. Put the Clash in a race riot in west London and they had all the same nonchalance, but yeah, they were teens who knew they were off their own turf and were never used to feeling that safe besides. They only knew what was on the news (sensationalised) while Rory had the inside scoop as it were. Not the fairest comparison. ... and never take anything Lydon says seriously (takes one to know one); I'm a little surprised you thought he'd make a credible expert witness as it were. The Clash weren't poseurs any more than any other rock band were (e.g. The Stones as an easy example) as regards being badass, but more importantly they were very legit (not poseurs) as regards their message or anything they actually said in their music.
I know you read NME at the time, because you mention it so often, but your musical love was never punk, and the NME never really explained punk very well. And I realise I leave myself open to accusations of romanticising that era.
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You and your little filing compartments. Weren't The Clash arena rock too? The Damned as spoofy as Slade. Didn't Television's Marquee Moon feature more harmonic guitar leads than an Allman Brothers and a Wishbone Ash album put together?
Yes, I have my little filing compartments and I'm unapologetic about it.
Have we gotten around to a Blackmore connection yet? If not, why not?
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:o Is someone trying to terminate the thread....! :mrgreen:
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It's too bad Uwe didn't have this new book (http://dangerousminds.net/comments/what_is_punk_childrens_book) when he was young, then maybe he wouldn't be so contentious.
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I'm stirred, but not shaken. I had the Sex Pistols and the Ramones debut albums within a week when they came out (I kept the Ramones, sold the Sex Pistols, I had limited resources, I couldn't afford Slade's Nobody's Fools at the time though I had it on my record wish list I always kept scribbled in my wallet). I most likely read earlier about British punk in 1977 than any other forum member here. And covered Blitzkrieg Bop and I wanna be your Girlfriend with my first band ("Thunderbolt") as early as 1977. Along with Ted Nugent, MC5, Dr. Feelgood, Status Quo, Rough Diamond (remember them?) and Kiss as well as CCR, you know how eclectic I am!
I retain an interest: I only bought a fresh remaster of Never Mind the Bollocks a few weeks ago, plus a double CD compilation of PIL. Televison's Marquee Moon is on my office stereo. I think Herr Lydon is a very perceptive man and I have always enjoyed his interviews greatly - he just doesn't sing as well as Ian Gillan or Robert Halford, can we agree on that? The last Classic Rock has a brilliant interview of his. (Johnny Rotten in Classic Rock, in a lengthy interview, declaring his love for prog and making snide remarks that The New York Dolls "didn't know how to play when Todd Rundgren produced them"? My, how times have changed!) I'd have him for dinner anytime. Even in his worst moments he is good fun and when he's good, he's startling. Never Mind the Bollocks was still a sonic disappointment. I was expecting it to sound like the MC5 and it sounded like a glam rock band. That didn't go together in my mind, much as I liked and like glam rock. The Pistols sounded a bit like The Heavy Metal Kids to me (years later, Johnny Rotten would credit Gary Holton as an inspiration and admit that he "ripped him off") - sans the staccato piano and the embellishments, just listen to how Holton cockney-tears into it at 1:15:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYkP6377ZE8
Now, I really dug the Heavy Metal Kids, but I didn't see them as a threat to the British Empire. I guess I was expecting from the Pistols - after months of NME hype - a more system-questioning overall sound, the album sounded too conventional to me (I found the Ramones debut production more radical in fact). Of course, live the Pistols might have been another spectacle and sonic experience altogether. People make a lot of bones about the lyrics on the Pistols debut, but I was at that time still reading a communist weekly (bought it at the same newspaper stand in the next largest city where I also bought the NME - both were unavailable in our town), so my ideas about world revolution and internationalist overthrow of the capitalist system didn't really gel with Herr Rotten's nihilism, I couldn't picture the Pistols inciting English working masses to class war. :mrgreen:
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Yes, I have my little filing compartments and I'm unapologetic about it.
Have we gotten around to a Blackmore connection yet? If not, why not?
:mrgreen: At least you're honest about it!
As for your request, I'll dutifully oblige: Ritchie is on record for saying that he liked punk's raw energy and its showmanship and preferred it much to what The Eagles or Fleetwood Mac were doing in the second half of the seventies. He also dug Blondie "for their melodies".
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Sure Lydon is plenty of fun... all I meant was you can't take anything he says at face value, which you seem to understand but ignore when it suits.
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That's my art as a lawyer! 8)
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I considered HMK a bit of a let down post seeing them, but then again, they were supporting Alice on the WTMN tour, so...
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I consider that Kitsch album with its archtypical RAK glammed up over-production (including background vocals by these RAK label mates here)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZGYzi1q_Eg
as a cult period piece. And there was something unsettling about Gary Holton - in a nice way. That Victorian Age lecherous street urchin meets Marty Feldman meets Steve Marriott shtick, maybe he was the first steampunk. Whether the Black Crowes' Chris Robinson ever saw him? I wouldn't be surprised. 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbE0X5mC13A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4_YoeCpF74
Anybody squeezing the sheer poetry out of "her mind is short but her legs are long" has delivered a commendable contribution to English literature. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU01haMIf6g
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The thing that interested me most about the Pistols was what happened in their wake. I credit Jones, Cook, and Matlock as a solid stripped-down rock and roll band, and Lydon as a very watchable performer with an ear-catching sneer, and some of those songs were catchy, but aside from that, it's just rock and roll and with plenty of recent precedent, not least in the Ramones. In retrospect it's hard to hear - from the music anyway - why the Pistols could have triggered such hysteria, or how they were supposed to have destroyed music as we know it. And yet - somehow, they were the band credited by dozens (hundreds?) of others that proved far more musically adventurous. The Pistols never ranged as far afield as, say, X-ray Spex, or Siouxsie and the Banshees, just to pick a couple ... or over here in the states, Bad Brains or Black Flag.
But somehow, they were the band that kick-started all those other bands. The Ramones were the originators and had longevity, but the Pistols seemed to galvanize more people into picking up instruments and making something new. And I love them for that.
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Rotten had charisma and he was credible, Matlock, Jones and Cook were better players than the guys in most other punk bands, two years earlier they would have formed the core of a more than decent hard rock/pub rock band. England was/is a class society (no lost wars shook up the social pyramdid), it was a fertile ground for Rotten in tandem with Mclaren to be provocative.
Punk destroyed nothing for good, it just knocked other music off the shelf for a brief moment in time, but within a wink of an eye you had the New Wave of British Metal (with a punk influence, they played things faster and more rhythm guitar oriented than the hard rock bands of yore, young Iron Maiden was definitely punkish in its frenzy, how many 70ies hard rock bands can you remember with a dedicated rhythm guitar player, but in the 80ies they were all over), even Prog recuperated after a while (and I hear punk in some things Steve Wilson/Porcupine Tree does/do). It has a lasting influence. I still hear punk ingredients in a lot of music today, there has been a shift towards rhythm guitar backing as opposed to playing riffs and having the singer holler above that. In bands like Coldplay, U2, REM, Jimmy Eat World, Simple Minds, Snow Patrol or Oasis, I hear a lot more Sex Pistols than I hear, say, Deep Purple, Led Zep or Black Sabbath. And that rhythm guitar focus (after a decade where the lead guitar ruled spreme) made/makes punk accessible, it's a lot easier to shift a few bar chords sitting on your bedside (and that can have its appeal, I'm not knocking it) and then form a band than it is to come up with a separate riff that is rhythmically and melodically different to what you are singing. Doesn't sound that great on an acoustic either, try playing Black Dog or Lazy with it in your first year as a guitarist. 8)
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how many 70ies hard rock bands can you remember with a dedicated rhythm guitar player
AC/DC, Y&T, Scorpions...
Didn't have to think too long about that
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I most likely read earlier about British punk in 1977 than any other forum member here.
I started playing bass in the summer of '77. Punk had just broke in America. I saw a story on the evening news about it, and it started turning up in Creem, Hit Parader, and to a lesser degree, Circus. I didn't get it at all. I got my bass, and I was determined to be the best I could be, and punk seemed to be the exact opposite of that. What I saw was a bunch of guys playing poorly, sticking pins in their ears, and vomiting on stage. :puke: So, I stuck with my KISS, Queen, Zep, Aerosmith, Sabbath, and McCartney records. I remember seeing the Ramones on Don Kirschner's in '78, and I was secretly drawn to the energy, but I still never bought a punk record. I get it now though. It served a purpose, just like "alternative rock" did in the early 90s. It shook things up and made people rethink things. I wasn't much of a 90s "alternative" guy either. :P On the other hand, I was a HUGE "new wave" fan. And I ran so far away....
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almost all of the 60's british invasion bands had rhythm guitars, from the beatles on down to herman's hermits. for the songs that were being written the rhythm guitar was just as important as any lead guitar since most bands were putting out three minute pop tunes with little or no solos.
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Kenny Rogers' cutting tone on his single coil Precision has me rethinking my next bass purchase. Best version of Ruby ever!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1e9p6J89rQ
Wait a sec isn't this the Thunderbird video thread?
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"AC/DC, Y&T, Scorpions...
Didn't have to think too long about that ..."
I'll give you six more: Status Quo, Ted Nugent, Slade, New York Dolls, The Alice Cooper Group and Mott the Hoople, but you'll be able to name vastly more without one I think: Nazareth, Sabbath, Zeppelin, Bad Company (Rodgers only played a little rhythm guitar and it was never prominent), Uriah Heep, Triumph, James Gang, Max Webster, Thin Lizzy (two lead guitarists), UFO (Raymond only played rhythm occasionally), Budgie, Rush, Purple, Rory Gallagher/Taste, Ten Years After, Grand Funk Railroad, Mountain, all those Southern Rock bands (generally two lead guitars or more), Judas Priest (two lead guitars), Golden Earring, Heavy Metal Kids, even CCR in their final incarnation after Tom Fogerty had jumped the Proud Mary. It had of course to do with the fact that in the seventies many bands patterned themselves either after Cream as a power trio or had a keyboarder. For largely economic reasons, keyboard players went out of style with most punk bands.
And AC/DC were initially (incorrectly though) hailed as an Australian punk band in Germany. They first gigged Germany at the height of the punk frenzy. And in early Scorpions, Rudolf's rhythm playing was much less prominent and he played more a secondary lead guitar (they still had a keyboarder back then too). That changed when Uli Roth joined the band (and the keyboard player left) who was less a rhythm player than Michael Schenker (who never forgets his rhythm role though he is a lead guitarist) and largely played fills (when he was not soloing) during his Scorpions tenure. With Roth (a Hendrix disciple not really into the school of chugging rhythm guitar) playing less rhythm, Rudolf naturally played more. That is true to this day, you very often see Rudolf playing the full chords (or power chords) while Jabs is either soloing or just hitting the lower E string.
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almost all of the 60's british invasion bands had rhythm guitars, from the beatles on down to herman's hermits. for the songs that were being written the rhythm guitar was just as important as any lead guitar since most bands were putting out three minute pop tunes with little or no solos.
That's true for the sixties, but punk was a countermovement to the first half of the seventies and that is when traditional rhythm guitarists became less prevalent. It was the age of the lead guitarist.
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say punk and i think raging hardcore bands with sixty second songs. i rather like those.
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Rotten had charisma and he was credible, Matlock, Jones and Cook were better players than the guys in most other punk bands, two years earlier they would have formed the core of a more than decent hard rock/pub rock band. England was/is a class society (no lost wars shook up the social pyramdid), it was a fertile ground for Rotten in tandem with Mclaren to be provocative.
Come on man, Jones was a very poor player (self admittedly so), brand new to the instrument at the start - through dedication (bloody mindedness) and his beloved 'black beauties' (again, this is straight from his mouth) he got a lot better very fast, but even at his peak he was not particularly great, so much as reliable - he just happened to become a prolific session guitarist, not, I'd argue, due to skill, but rather due to his ability to get along without drama (rare in the punk scene) and pick things up quickly (vs taking longer and being awesome). Most other punk guitarists were better than him and it is not even a close contest (the other Jones; Bob Andrews, Neil X, Brian James, Keith Levine and John McKay... and that's just his immediate contemporaries/people he knew from the local scene.
Cook was nothing spectacular unless you compare him to the original incarnation of either The Banshees (Sid on drums; you can imagine how terrible that was) or the Slits (talented but naive drummer; also got better, but then quit the band). The best punk drummer was Budgie, followed by Topper (who was rather unpunkish, but undeniably very skilled).
Matlock was a very well educated player, and possibly the best bassist technically, but not necessarily the best fit in the punk scene as we all know.
Rotten did have a certain charisma... though I would call it more of an anticharisma; he was a pioneer of that. But credible he never was. I mean he was credible as a punk if that's what you mean ( scene cred) but not credible in the more traditional sense: in terms of anything he said publicly being trustworthy as fact or even in line with his honest opinion. Certainly can't argue with your last sentence there though.
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Wait a sec isn't this the Thunderbird video thread?
Ah... more than a match for me... :mrgreen:
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The Clash were a bunch of poseurs. It's the one thing David Lee Roth and Johnny Lydon agree on.
I always thought Mick Jones was an interesting guy with quirky talent, but Joe Strummer always ruined that band for me. It's hard to take anything seriously when coming from a self professed punk revolutionary who grew up in privilege with a silver spoon hanging from his gob. Millionaire rock stars (or artists or actors) who constantly rant against "the system" or capitalism have no room to talk until they give up their copyrights, residuals, and private jets. Not that I begrudge anyone those trappings; only those who get them and then spend their time telling everyone else it's evil to want or work for them.
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Rotten pretended to be a young cynic, in fact he was/is a disenchanted idealist like most cynics tend to be. He really was a late hippie who had cut his hair.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a7/1a/44/a71a44c5dc36bb9eae2cbcd72cecdb37.jpg)
I guess you have to be if you are card-carrying Gong disciple and fanzine-devourer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiy5K81qvbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKP5pz9jMQI
I only realize this now: PIL isn't too far away from that stuff! Certainly closer to it than to the Sex Pistols' pop-punk.
Jones (Steve) always had this very British workmanlike attitude to music, it is how he approached his guitar playing too. He worked hard at it and learned quickly. The ghythm guitar churning on never Mind the Bollocks cannot be faulted for what it is and wants to be. His discipline, you're right, must have helped in sessions and of course former Sex Pistols membership gave him legend credentials from a certain point onwards.
Sid Vicious was a punk model, not a punk musician IMHO.
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I DO like what he did with Steve Vai and Ginger Baker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrFtPjltNAw&index=1&list=PLK4DYad6DBPUsXGhBfE1yvXTlidbAadcm
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Are we almost done with the punk discussion? :popcorn:
Oh wait; When I was twelve I liked the Plasmatics. Does that count?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1KyQ-1kDbk
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I really liked Lydon the more I got to know about him. Just knowing he was an Alice Cooper fan made him go up quite a few notches in my book. :)
My only Lydon story: I was standing out in front of the Roxy theater on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood some time in 1986. I had recently returned from 18 month in England and didn't look a thing like all the glam metalheads in line with me. I can't remember who was playing but we were waiting for the doors to open. At some point, a long, white limo pulls by slowly with Lydon leaning his body half way out the back window, yelling as much abuse as he could while flipping us all the bird. I laughed and yelled "Oi Johnny!" as loud as I could and flipped him two fingers which make him break out laughing as he pulled away. Sunset Blvd on the weekend was always fun in those days.
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Speaking of Alice Cooper, he got a pie to the face at this show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf-sDjS8YR8
See at 51:50. Probably the work of a Stooges fan.
Oh yeah, not a bass but Steve Winwood is jamming on a pretty sweet NR Firebird at this show. (1:04) Just to try to ease us back towards relevancy in the thread.
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The Crosley field show in Cincinnati...
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same guitar i saw him with when i saw traffic in the early seventies. a very good looking and sounding guitar, imo. i'm always surprised why firebirds didn't become more popular than they were.
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Saxon's latest with a bass player wielding a tb+ equipped T-bird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oLC0nOfWGc
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Re punk: James Hetfield- Metallica differentiated themselves from their influences by using punk's sped-up aggression that was only reigned in by Cliff Burton's greater pop/prog sensibility and ultimately ended up redefining punk rhythm guitar in the process by accident. James Hetfield brought Malcolm Young's workman-playing, added distortion and locked with a awesome bass player for as long as he had one. (It's a shame Newstead quit just as he found a musical voice in the band. Trujillo is a soulless showoff aping two infinitely more legitimate predecessors). Het's rhythm guitar over Cliff bass is why Metallica's covers of NWOBHM bands sound FAR different (better IMO) than the originals and rather than playing what "metal proper" had contained up to that time with its sturm and drang but no real anger, (dungeons and dragons versus drugs and politicians) the Bay Area Angelinos inadvertently redefined punk by accident with numerous West Coast SoCal punkers who skateboarded with Het taking up his more disciplined playing technique.
I'm as bad as Uwe.
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That's interesting, I had always thought Bad Brains was the vector for a more metal style of rhythm guitar bleeding into the punk world. In my limited knowledge, the I Against I album came almost out of nowhere - but of course nothing is fully without precedent. I never thought to ask, what metal bands were Bad Brains listening to?
Maybe Dr. Know, Darryl & co were inspired by Metallica? That would explain a lot.
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Don't laugh, but I just bought Master of Puppets for the very first time. Back then I only heard snippets of it (and liked those better than anything Metallica had done before, but not enough to look more closely).
Whether you like them or not, Metallica is certainly among the 10 most influential US bands of all time, more likely even among the top 5 or top 3. They are to late 80ies and post-90ies music "of the harder type" what Led Zep was in the late 60ies and all through the 70ies to heavy rock (there, I have even admitted it!). I'm no Metallica fan at all (I don't even know all their albums), but they have forged a sound and an approach to things. And like any great band they are prepared to take musical risks and challenge their constituency again and again.
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Don't laugh, but I just bought Master of Puppets for the very first time.
So how do you like prog metal played pissed off? (aside from Fleming Rasmussen totally burying Cliff?)
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Still in the car, haven't heard it yet, I have a Japanese remaster. I remember hearing Master of Puppets (the track) back then and thinking "Oh, they are beginning to play music after all!".
As most of you have probably noticed by now, I tend to be a contrarian, but I never had a contrarian urge against Metallica (or Nickelback for that matter), vastly popular as they were, they did not share the U2 or Coldplay fate with me. Lars is a spoiled bigmouth, but a spoiled bigmouth with a brain. And Hetfield (whose non-voice as it matured reminds me pleasantly of Eric Bloom of BÖC who wasn't an agile singer either, but had something I liked) always has something tormented to him which I kinda like. With Hammet, I'm still waiting when he will finally own up to his inner urges - hey, Rob Halford did it! I like his guitar playing btw, I find it - unusual enough in connection with Metallica, I know - tasteful!
Cliff was totally his own man, Jason underrated for his contribution of grounding the band and making it more accessible, and about the new guy I know little except that I kind of like his Mex/Native American looks. I forgive him the Warwicks. I don't think he's a bad player at all, neither were his two predecessors though by today's studio standards young Cliff wasn't the most tidy and exact bass player on earth. I'm sure he woud have matured though if that bus had only let him. :-\ That was a freak accident back then of Final Destination teen horror movie proportions. :-\ :-\
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I'm pretty sure Robert Trujillo could play circles around Newsted and Burton.
What he does with Metallica is most likely what Hetfield and Ulrich tell him to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f7XwCsx4fs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob3buKk6ALc
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Cliff was totally his own man,
It's only now that with the Metalli-egos of James and Lars being significantly deflated by maturity that they admitted Cliff was the bandleader, not just the inspiration, that took the band from being just another LA thrash forgettable to what they became. Musically, their influence peaked with Master of Puppets and Cliff had already helped them sketch most of ...And Justice for All while on tour. Cliff's playing in and of itself isn't particularly original, but what made him the great was was his tenacious personality musically and personally (he was older than the other guys by three years and was the big brother of the band) and leadership of the band from beneath, completely unheard of in metal where bass players were generally rhythm guitarists who didn't make the cut. Cliff created "the Metallica plod," the way the sound coalesced as a unit and swung while pushing rather than chasing a song's rhythm. It still carried on afterward through two of the albums that followed, but after extreme fame and fortune spoiled Lars and James, they lost the ability to incorporate that crushing unity into any new songs. Their stylistic changes were more reactionary than artistic, and nothing post-The Black Album has any major impact outside of demonstrating the loyalty of their fanbase.
Jason underrated for his contribution of grounding the band and making it more accessible,
Jason got f***ed royally. Concert footage of him on the Master of Puppets tour after Cliff's death showed that he filled the musical shoes EXACTLY, but being the "kid" in the band and having no respect took its toll and he was marginalized so much that he was largely irrelevant until he left and was replaced by a scab who could be playing jingles or jazz. Metallica wasn't about musical prowess; it represented honesty and rebellion, and to hear Newstead's fire on Garage Days Re-Revisited be rendered literally inaudible on Justice and then musically excluded to the point that Bob Rock as producer was more of a band member (Bob played almost as much bass on the albums he recorded as Jason!), Jason never got his due. The flubbing player you heard in concert during the Justice years probably didn't even have his own monitor mix. After being told that he was not important enough times and not leaving the situation, I think he did the best he could and tried to make it work playing in a band of his idols. It was only because Lars' playing kept getting sloppier with his laziness and drug use that Newstead was allowed any sonic space at all.
and about the new guy I know little except that I kind of like his Mex/Native American looks.
Robert Trujillo is a chops-heavy hired gun who has helped ride down other good bands (Suicidal Tendencies, Ozzy) after their prime. He is a stylistic chameleon and fills the role he was hired to perfectly: play to make James and Lars still be able to ape the old days but don't make any waves. That he was also a child-actor, appearing in an episode of CHiPs, (ironically one with Potsie from Happy Days transparently parodying Kiss playing up to 80's "Satanic music" hysteria) sums him up completely for me. He can play very well, but he's an empty suit with no heart, a mercenary in what had once been a very righteous musical army.
I forgive him the Warwicks.
He was an endorsement whore decades before Metallica came along. In a recent video interview James did for EMG in the studio, in the background where Metallica had all their studio gear set up, there was a rack of Fender basses, ONLY Fender basses, mixed in with James' racks of guitars. A few makers have made signature instruments for him, but I didn't see any of them. That's part of why I don't like him. At least James USES the gear his name is on
I don't think he's a bad player at all, neither were his two predecessors though by today's studio standards
That's not much of a complement!
young Cliff wasn't the most tidy and exact bass player on earth. I'm sure he woud have matured though if that bus had only let him.
I hope he wouldn't have, at least not in the sense that most folks regard "musical maturity," but had he not died, Metallica would not have been given the platform or had the will to make the compromises they did to become a household name. His reach as a dead legend is much greater than he would have ever had were he to have lived.
I'm pretty sure Robert Trujillo could play circles around Newsted and Burton.
What he does with Metallica is most likely what Hetfield and Ulrich tell him to.
If Trujillo had stuck to playing that stuff instead of a making a larger career of replacing bass legends (Bob Daisley included), I would have NO problem with him. He's a shredder, a trick player, and it's obvious from what Metallica has put out with him that he'll play anything with a big enough paycheck attached to it any way he's asked, but Metallica is just a job and for old Metallica fans like me, one he does VERY poorly. If Metallica had truly wanted musical growth in that vein, they would have hired Les Claypool, who auditioned both times their bass chair was empty, but they knew his personality would assert itself in the music. Trujillo is content to make string rattles over classic lines with the occasional solo break. The Metallica that changed the musical landscape of the world, punk included, died long ago. They're the Rolling Stones of loud music. Enter Start Me Up Sandman.
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"They're the Rolling Stones of loud music."
Actually, that is a brilliantly apt description and I think they would wear that badge proudly. Metallica have left the incestuous heavy metal fraternity long ago and gained a mainstream appeal with music that really isn't mainstream in a way that Rammstein's music isn't mainstream (yet enormously popular) either. More people go to their concerts than have actually ever owned a Metallica CD and more people wear their T-shirts than actually like and know their music. They've become a brand. Gene Simmons will no doubt claim fatherhood.
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The one thing that amazes me about Trujillo is that Hetfield actually allows him to do that "crab walk" thing on stage. :rolleyes: ;)
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BTW, you guys ARE aware that Trujillo is one of the sub-players who re-recorded all of Sharon Osbourne's re-released classic Ozzy albums to cut out old band members from performance royalties, right? I know that sometimes a gig is a gig, but principles, man!
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Anything for a buck, even if it means stiffing the original players. >:(
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BTW, you guys ARE aware that Trujillo is one of the sub-players who re-recorded all of Sharon Osbourne's re-released classic Ozzy albums to cut out old band members from performance royalties, right? I know that sometimes a gig is a gig, but principles, man!
I knew. And of course I prefer Bob Daisley's style, whether with Widowmaker, Rainbow, Ozzy, Gary Moore, Sabbath or Mothers Army. But to be fair: I don't believe that El Bobby was in a position to say no to Sharon's proposition unless he wanted to lose his then day job too. Mrs Osbourne doesn't take no prisoners. Daisley's principles weren't the greatest either when he returned to Ozzy again and again on a wage basis after having been treated so shabbily when the original line-up was torn apart at the instigation of Sharon.
BTW, I've never heard those versions, did they sound remarkably different? Daisley is an arch-pick player while Trujillo is not, replicating that terse pick-driven EB sound on the Ozzy debut must have been a challenge.
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BTW, you guys ARE aware that Trujillo is one of the sub-players who re-recorded all of Sharon Osbourne's re-released classic Ozzy albums to cut out old band members from performance royalties, right? I know that sometimes a gig is a gig, but principles, man!
Yeah, and Mike Bordin was backpedaling recently, saying something along the lines of "that's not what was supposed to go down when I was asked to the studio". I get it, but it still makes me think of them differently for doing it.
Daisley is an arch-pick player while Trujillo is not, replicating that terse pick-driven EB sound on the Ozzy debut must have been a challenge.
Funny, I didn't know he was a pick player until reading it here a few years back. When I learned those tunes in high school, I thought it was all fingerstyle, and that's how I played them. "I Don't Know" is a fun one!
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I consider that Kitsch album with its archtypical RAK glammed up over-production (including background vocals by these RAK label mates here)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZGYzi1q_Eg
One of the bands I am in actually does that Alice song and while learning it I accidently left the Smokie channel running and discovered the bass player, like so many of us went from a P Bass to a Rickenbacker, and then a Thunderbird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKoAZ23OLCI
Hey! A video with a Thunderbird!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EFRzuIJnbo
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Oh yes, Terry Uttley played a TBird for quite a while though he always tried out different things too. In the late 70ies - when the first Bicentennials hit Europe and new TBirds became available for the first time again - there was window in time when TBirds became quite popular in Europe, people like Steve Priest of Sweet (also someone who would flaunt new basses a lot) and Krautrock Proggies from Eloy and Grobschnitt would play them. I always thought that the warmth of a TBird should be especially attuned to Smokie's mellow countryfied sound. Why they never amounted to much in the US is beyond me. Chris Norman was - and is - a fine singer and their backing harmonies were a trademark sound. In Europe, there was no getting away from them for a couple of years, the hits only dried up in the early 80ies, but they remain a touring entity to this day (though Norman has long left the fold, never to return).
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So how do you like prog metal played pissed off? (aside from Fleming Rasmussen totally burying Cliff?)
So I've now heard it. Maybe shouldn't have waited three decades to listen to it, it's a good album alright. By a youthful, ebullient band. Some traces of what would later materialize on the Black Album can already be heard.
Hammet's guitar playing is striking - it is so European, as if Eddie van Halen had never even existed and young Kirk had been weaned on a diet of Blackmore, Schenker and Uli Roth. But there is a very European influence all over. This might sound like a stupid question coming from someone who knows little about Metallica but does the diminutive Dane play piano or guitar or how did his co-songwriting credits throughout come about? Pleasantly free of Zep-influences too (rare with US heavy rock), instead I hear a lot of Sabbath in the playing.
There are a few filler tracks, but overall this is a credible piece of work.
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He haunted the Marquee Club at the same sort of time I did and was well into the NWOBHM movement, still during the tail-end of his tennis days... hung around with a lot of Brit bands at the time... hence parts of the influence... the "Garage Inc" recordings give a big nod to influences...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgldY1Gm2XA
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So I've now heard it. Maybe shouldn't have waited three decades to listen to it, it's a good album alright. By a youthful, ebullient band. Some traces of what would later materialize on the Black Album can already be heard.
They, meaning Cliff, were actually planning to fire Lars as his drumming had started slacking even then. That's another thing only allowed out of the Metalli-PR camp after 30 years. If Cliff had lived, Metallica would have been a VERY different band. Most of the issues with ...And Justice for All were Lars' demands that his drum sound dominate EVERYTHING, even down to specific EQ curves and also why Newstead got such a hostile reception. Lars also dictated that whatever level Jason was mixed, that level should be reduced by another 6dB and it was. The difference between Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning, its predecessor, was that Cliff was more audible on Lightning and the lyrics less mature and well executed. Puppets is their best album, but it was an evolutionary step and not a quantum leap like they made from their John Zazula-produced major label debut, Kill 'Em All. Cliff is most audible on it and the original Garage Days Revisited EP of NWOBHM covers, all two of 'em: Blitzkrieg's eponymous anthem, and Diamondhead's "Am I Evil?," which were included on early CD releases of Kill 'Em All.
Hammet's guitar playing is striking - it is so European, as if Eddie van Halen had never even existed and young Kirk had been weaned on a diet of Blackmore, Schenker and Uli Roth.
Kirk was a student of Joe Satriani, literally taking lessons from him, and his playing sounds to me to be a more European "angular" take on that, (he's also a big UFO fan) carrying the same melodic themes as his teacher but with less ease in execution. (It also helped that the two albums where Metallica cemented their early sound, Lighting and Puppets, were recorded in Denmark.) Watching the Black Album documentary A Year and a Half in the Life of Metallica, and seeing Bob Rock goad the spectacular solo (compared to his previous halfhearted efforts) in "The Unforgiven" is probably the musical high point of the movie.
But there is a very European influence all over. This might sound like a stupid question coming from someone who knows little about Metallica but does the diminutive Dane play piano or guitar or how did his co-songwriting credits throughout come about?
They all shared songwriting credits equally for publishing royalties when Cliff was alive for songs that were written while a member was part of the group. Their original bass player, Ron McGovney pretty much could barely play at all, much less write, and there are songs on the first two albums that Dave Mustaine wrote but had the lyrics rewritten by James after firing him and erasing him from the songwriter credits. Megadeth's first tracks included the "original" versions of them. Listen to "The Mechanix" from Megadeth and then listen to "The Four Horsemen" from Metallica: same song, different lyrics, and there were other riffs, melodies, and whole tunes over those first two Metallica albums whose authorship was claimed by Mustaine for years, IMO justly, though Metallica played them better. That Newstead was also excluded from credit on most of Justice was another kick in the teeth for him and a shadow of more bad things to come. Lars takes credit for the rhythm I guess, though his studio engineer and tape editor deserve that title more than he does. There's an entire 10-minute section on A Year and a Half in the Life of Metallica showing Randy Staub ("Randy Razorblade") literally razor-splicing Lars' various drum takes into one cohesive comped-track because he was mostly too drunk to keep a beat.
Pleasantly free of Zep-influences too (rare with US heavy rock), instead I hear a lot of Sabbath in the playing.
...hence my non-worship of them. I like Zep OK, but for me, it started with Sabbath.
There are a few filler tracks, but overall this is a credible piece of work.
Among Metallica and most metal fans in general (myself included), none of the album is filler and all the tunes are regulars in their current live set. Lightning had "Trapped Under Ice" and "Escape;" THOSE tracks are filler.
BTW, no T-Birds in 'Tallica land, but early album covers showed the band's early workhorses to be counterfeit Gibson guitars. James' white Flying V even had a bolt-on neck. When they asked Gibson for an endorsement deal after their gear was stolen on the Puppets tour, they were summarily refused, so they hooked up with ESP and James played a-not-even-trying-to-hide its origin Explorer copy made by ESP for over two decades while Kirk favored (and still does) Jackson-esque ESP Super Strat copies. Cliff played a Rick 4001 in which he later installed a Gibson Sidewinder in the neck position after Metallica began endorsing Mesa Boogie and the lack of bottom he was used to from his s/s Sunns and Acoustic amps he had used prior made him try to make the Rick sound deeper. Eventually, he settled on an active Aria Pro II. Jason started out with Xotic 5-strings, probably because they were the most expensive basses he could find, and bounced around through various boutique brands, mostly using Spectors in the studio before discovering Sadowsky, who made him watertight instruments because his profuse sweating was shorting out the electronics in his other instruments on tour. That happened around the time that Load was released.
BTW, Garage Inc is just a collection of both previous Garage Days EP's with a few newer covers and single B-sides like "The Prince" another Diamondhead cover, from the B-side of the Japanese single for "One" along with some newer and previously unreleased covers. The band was sneaky though, and in every tune that was a remastered re-release of a previous EP or single, there are small moments of backwards backing vocals, most obviously in their Misfits cover, "Green Hell." Speaking of blues-punk since I mentioned the Misfits, James Hetfield also provided uncredited backing vocals on two tracks of Danzig's first album.
Can you tell how much I USED to be a fan?
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BTW, I've never heard those versions, did they sound remarkably different? Daisley is an arch-pick player while Trujillo is not, replicating that terse pick-driven EB sound on the Ozzy debut must have been a challenge.
They sound like what they are: karaoke tracks of Ozzy and whichever guitar player (generally Randy Rhodes and Zakk Wylde) with a generic backing band. Even when the notes are the same, the new versions have the stink of Pro Tools all over them and while they are superior in terms of fidelity, there is NONE of the charm of the originals and the tempo mapping applied to them really shows Ozzy's vocal timing deficiencies; what had been a clever drunken eighth-rest in the analog domain became just a bad late note in digital. Basically, the original mulitracks were copied to digital and then the drums and bass deleted and overdubbed. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Sharon destroyed the original analog versions.
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I thought they realized the errors of their ways and later remasters were back to Daisley's and Kerslake's original tracks? The abominations are not even available anymore, thankfully out of print.
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I thought they realized the errors of their ways and later remasters were back to Daisley's and Kerslake's original tracks?
Yes they did.
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"Can you tell how much I USED to be a fan?"
(http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/1b2157e533492e78297c16e6cbe1dfceb91d191.gif)
"Are there any wimmin here today?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNeq2Utm0nU
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The piano arrangements of everything post "Black Album" from this same ultra-talented pianist show just how tried and trite Metallicunt became post-Cliff. This however isn't that far off from what one would expect from" real" classical music. IMO, the only thing lacking is when she alters octaves and drops bass rhythm notes on power chords so she can play the melody too. Still, this, this is awesome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIJPxxoF7dw
..and one day I'll cover Master and play it on T-Bird to make penance for taking this thread so far off. I liked the Worf GIF, BTW. It's from Deep Space Nine, the most "real" of all the Trek TV shows, and he's sitting on the bridge of the Starfleet Warship Defiant. DS9 was the old Metallica of Trek shows!
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sounds like metalunica. a fake band on the soap opera all my children many years ago. :o
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Concrete Blonde sure likes Gibson basses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNZpkimAZSI
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Someone may have posted these. Too many pages to check.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PpzveeXLO8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyDjNIxnR0g
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I love these guys, but since I moved my records and turntable to the studio I hardly listen to them anymore. Some stuff came up on my tumblr that reminded me (guitard is the guy behind Death By Audio):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFa4a56j52o
This one is a bit early-mid Cure-ish - like put it on a mix tape after A Forest. Sorry, I know noise rock ain't very popular around here, but when it comes to Gibson bass fandom, you can't be too choosey. If I can learn to appreciate Slade...
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I kinda like that. Definitely reminds me of older Cure stuff.
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Ex-Damned Paul Gray during his UFO stint playing a TB (as such with UFO unsurprising), but a Non Rev one (modded with a P split coil). I saw that particular line up at the time and though they received a lot of flak I liked them best next to the various Schenker line ups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YE26AbXAZ4
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Was it a modded NR Tbird or just the (cheap-ass) Epi NR Tbird?
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This is from the mid-eighties, were the Epis even around back then? I also didn't see a bridge pup.
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After closer inspection it can't be an Epi. Those have a reversed headstock.
The bass in the vid has a Thunderbird pickup at the bridge. Bridge is a two piece (with separate tailstop).
But the knob layout is different... The three knobs run in a diagonal line (like the Epi NR Tbird has) That puzzles me. If it is a sixties Gibson Tbird it should have the knobs parallel to the strings.
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It must have been a real Thunderbird, according to what he writes here (in part 5, the link takes you to part 4 first),
http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.ntlworld.com%2Fpaul.gray%2FUFOjpegs%2Fplive1.JPG&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.ntlworld.com%2Fpaul.gray%2Fufo4.htm&h=181&w=150&tbnid=IbUX5ZvZk2w_5M%3A&docid=SrY7uxSCfwEbjM&ei=VphwVojmDsLM0AT3-JvIDQ&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=514&page=1&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=0ahUKEwiI6eeD-d7JAhVCJpQKHXf8BtkQrQMIJDAC
he first had one that he broke the headstock off and then got a Bicentennial Rev.
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.gray/UFOjpegs/plive1.JPG)
No, wait, apparently he had three, two Non-Revs (though he credits one of them as "1964") and one Rev!
http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.gray/basstuffjpegs/tb1.JPG&imgrefurl=http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.gray/basstuff%2520%26%2520FAQ's.htm&h=214&w=150&tbnid=jpSlt5ckFw2qCM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=63&docid=di5wL33hF05trM&usg=__0Gdq9hUBJDY9am8cYnI2nA0ufVE=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQ5dy7_d7JAhVGjJQKHTyLACgQ9QEIKDAD
1985:
Gibson Thunderbird 1968 non-reverse body, twin p/u with 1 humbucker and 1 1958 Precision bass pickup (sunburst - ex Love Affair)
1986:
Gibson Thunderbird 1976 reissue,twin humbucker p/u's, reverse body (sunburst). Used on every gig since! Bought in Stockholm in 1986 and the best bass I have ever played. The headstock has come off 3 times so far and been superglued between shows!
Gibson Thunderbird 1964 non-reverse body, single p/u
1988:
Overwater Custom bass with 2x Kent Armstrong pickups (sunburst). Used on Rene Berg album and all work with Andrew Ridgeley. Nice bass, but a little too clean sounding for my tastes. Looked good too!.
1991 onwards:
Gibson Thunderbird 1976
Fender Telecaster bass, lipstick p/u, blonde, maple neck, 1968. I saw my mate Craig Addeccott playing this one day at a gig, it sounded awesome and I bought it from him the next day. Very Loud. Used on some gigs as a spare or when I fancy playing without a pick.
Laney DP 150 bass amp
Laney 4x12 cabinet
Marshall 4x10 cabinet
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One I never expected to find. Glenn Cornick with a Thunderbird II in 1969. Very brief clips around 1:50-1:60 or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8
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... and him with that Thunderbird at the IOW gig in 1970...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_imPt3NIhg
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Nice! I've been searching high and low for color photos of his second NR, which was metallic green, but so far I've only found two (one stock and one without a pg which I guess was in the process of being modified). And so far I've found NO live footage of him with that NR.
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iirc the whole of the Isle of Wight show is available to view...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaFcx09BII4
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Is that Kral with the T-bird? Or is it Kraye? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0peTfMOdDoo
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Is that Kral with the T-bird? Or is it Kraye?
That's Ivan Kral.
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One I never expected to find. Glenn Cornick with a Thunderbird II in 1969. Very brief clips around 1:50-1:60 or so.
That clip is a bitsa mashup of footage from 1976 and a later lineup and period of Tull. The 1976 clips come from the show 'Supersonic', and a more complete copy is here;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwEgkFg9m_E
This is the Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die! incarnation of the band, so the bassist will be John Glascock. He used a P bass, and then moved on to a Stingray, so I don't know where the T-bird II came from, unless the band repo'd it from Glenn when he left? In the Isle of Wight footage, Glenn's bass has a black pickguard with a USA/CND flag on the pickguard. In the Supersonic clip the bass has a white pickguard, so it might not be Glenn's bass at all!
I'm not sure if this clip has been posted before, but it is quite good. In the interests of science a bloke plays 3 different Greco T-birds from the '80s. Does that make it a three bird roast? A Turducken?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6lVR0jgv2U
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Did we already have this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWBnodrR1M
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldj8pzd0RAs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc5gn5q64bE
Nice to hear it so prominently in the mix as well.
https://youtu.be/CKtdkTTAicE
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Très classy, thanks for posting, George! Always dug the Hanoi Rocks, amateur charm and all.
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After closer inspection it can't be an Epi. Those have a reversed headstock.
The bass in the vid has a Thunderbird pickup at the bridge. Bridge is a two piece (with separate tailstop).
But the knob layout is different... The three knobs run in a diagonal line (like the Epi NR Tbird has) That puzzles me. If it is a sixties Gibson Tbird it should have the knobs parallel to the strings.
It probably was born as an II and when the P pickup was added the Thunderbird pickup was moved to the bridge position, then they drilled the hole for the second volume pot wherever they wanted.
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Thanks for posting those George!!
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Très classy, thanks for posting, George! Always dug the Hanoi Rocks, amateur charm and all.
Me too, Uwe. Found their third album in a record store in 1982 or so and that was it for me. They have a charm all their own.
Thanks for posting those George!!
My pleasure! :)
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I forgot how bad they sucked. :o
Now I know again :mrgreen:
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c'mon, in the first video the bass was way too loud. ish. :o
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I forgot how bad they sucked. :o
Now I know again :mrgreen:
The lying Dutchman has just been ousted from this forum too!
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I don't know... next he'll be invading Poland and impounding 'cycles... :mrgreen:
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The lying Dutchman has just been ousted from this forum too!
What is it I did this time? ???
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I forgot how bad they sucked. :o
Now I know again :mrgreen:
Considering their ages and backgrounds at the time that was filmed, I think they were pretty good. What they lacked in finesse and professionalism they more than made up for with attitude and sincerity. Obviously not everyone's cup of tea, but I like them.
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I could have been into that back in the day, if I were there, but of coarse I'm too young for that. What I really do like about them is the inspiration they gave later bands such as Sigue Sigue Sputnik.
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This video has a NR TBird that looks an awful lot like the thicker Bach basses:
https://youtu.be/y8KdtGxkUjs
And at 2:06 it's true identity is revealed in a headstock shot.
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Haha, cool! :toast:
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Rock and Roll!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUqjuAUus5Y
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It's a BaCH, all right! Found this video in which you can clearly see the Gibson TRC partially covering the BaCH logo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=83&v=-wudxZp3JtM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS5oa5IPSX0
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I bought the TB+ pickups for my Fenderbird from Ted. ^^^
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I bought the TB+ pickups for my Fenderbird from Ted. ^^^
I'm just happy that you remember them, they seem to be almost forgotten. RIP Jim Ellison, gone way too soon..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEYtUcIKHTM
Finland's Finest
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Who wrote the storyline for this video? The same person responsible for AC/DC's fly on the wall videos?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEYtUcIKHTM
Finland's Finest
Ah, lovely, Hanoi Rocks covering rootsy CCR is an unlikely choice (you'd think they would be more at home with a Stooges or Velvet Underground cover), but they pull it off with aplomb. The song was recommended to them by Bob Ezrin, producer of Two Steps from the Move-album, who was in two minds about their songwriting capabilities. Eventually, the band relented.
And then Vince Neil took a drunk drive ...
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Patty Duke RIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5LcinEf2sY
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German band Ohrenfeindt. Bass player / lead singer Chris Laut always uses Thunderbirds. He has several Gibson Tbirds. One Bicentennial Tbird is named Bride and another is named Babe. He also has a Pelham Blue BaCHbird, but I don't think he uses it much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZmE3SU7MGg
BTW Chris would be a better stand-in for Brian Johnson than Axl...
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Wot Axl? Hadn't heard; dude's voice isn't even in the right octave.
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Are you serious Jake?
Last few weeks the rumour has been buzzing round on every rock related website. We've even discussed it here in the Café corner.
Malcolm's son seems to be the only more or less reliable source. AC/DC has not made an official statement as of yet.
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Yep; my brain has been otherwise occupied this last week, between work (project I'm working on going live later this month and everyone is losing their minds), obsessing over getting a new amp, getting ready for a festival at the end of the month (our drummer informed us a few weeks ago that he won't even be in country, so called one of my younger brothers in and we're training him up), getting some merch together for that, and comming down with some sort of toddler-borne (they are like rats inn this way) disease so my brain is only working at half capacity to begin with.
.... then again I also have a natural talent for missing tidbits like this.
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The oils maaate!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-QyK_DkLQ
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They were a great band. Those harmonies! Without ever sounding twee. Whenever I write something harmony-drenched, fellow-Aussies Air Supply lurk dangerously near. :mrgreen:
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Gorgeous sound on that TII too... 8)
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I gotta say, Midnight Oil did one of the best live shows ice I've seen.
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Never been too fond of that lead singer's voice though.. :-[
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I think The Mike Lull Tbird in this Joe Bonamassa video sounds great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qJ8bT3W1D0
(not a big fan of Joe's voice either by the way..)
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Never been too fond of that lead singer's voice though.. :-[
I like that agitation tone in it, it makes you listen to the lyrics. It sounds driven, probably not an easy man to be around/have as a frontman/band leader.
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I think The Mike Lull Tbird in this Joe Bonamassa video sounds great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qJ8bT3W1D0
(not a big fan of Joe's voice either by the way..)
It's okay'ish, but never above that, pales compared to everything else around it. Imagine what Glenn Hughes, Steven Tyler or Paul Rodgers would do to this track. My issue is even more watching Joe sing though. He's so incredibly unrock, even unblues, but not nerdy enough to make up for it otherwise. And he's not a beautiful, untainted, and even slightly naive piece of natural art like Rory Gallagher or Johnny Winter either. Nor as suave as Eric C. Watching Joe B. is a bit like witnessing the head of the accounting department at a corporate event playing impromptu guitar and going: "Man, I never knew he played that well guitar!"
And if I may make myself unpopular again here, that Lullbird sounds like an angry P Bass to me. :-\
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Craig Gruber with that legendary three pup Non-Rev - through all of the distortion of this lousy audio you can hear that Elf played well and were a grooving little band. Enlarged line-up with Mark Nauseef on percussion which probably dates the performance later than 1974.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6prX1RVjW8
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I like that agitation tone in it, it makes you listen to the lyrics. It sounds driven, probably not an easy man to be around/have as a frontman/band leader.
He became a politician.
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I know he did. Wasn't he minister of the environment for quite a while? I have no issues against musicians turning politician, you know. There should be rules against failed postcard painters and - unrelated - successful real estate moguls though. ;D
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I know he did. Wasn't he minister of the environment for quite a while? I have no issues against musicians turning politician, you know. There should be rules against failed postcard painters and - unrelated - successful real estate moguls though. ;D
I'm not taking the bait. :-X
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On the postcard painter?
(http://taz.de/blogs/wp-inst/wp-content/blogs.dir/10/files/2006/08/1.jpg)
I'm not vouching for whether this little ditty credited to an Austrian hobby artist might not be a fake! Come to think of it, it's a bit impressionist, nein?
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On the postcard painter?
(http://taz.de/blogs/wp-inst/wp-content/blogs.dir/10/files/2006/08/1.jpg)
I'm not vouching for whether this little ditty credited to an Austrian hobby artist might not be a fake! Come to think of it, it's a bit impressionist, nein?
No, the other one. The wannabe wallbuilder. You're not dragging me into presidential politics.
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Let's not rush things.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DDBvoWz-9E
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Wow a thrash band from Germany with the name Sodom. Who would have guessed? T-bird sounds nice enough from what I can tell. Regarding the earlier posts, politics do make some subjects tricky. Is that why nobody wants to talk about Euro vision this year? Hope Vates got a kick out of it at least.
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Found this guy's cover of a Yes tune with a 90' T-bird
https://miguelbass.com/2012/11/26/does-it-really-happen/
after seeing this guy's cover of a Yes tune with an Epi viola bass
http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2016/05/17/steven-blasini-sound-chaser-play-along/
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That Miguel guy has put Squire's parts under a microscope. Really good work, though I could never invest that much time perfecting someone else's style. Not since I was a teen anyway. He's got a bunch of other Yes covers posted. Chris used his non-rev on that tune, hence the T-Bird.
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Interesting info. The modern bird does a decent job of sounding like the original NR on record no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL68VE-Qi7Y
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Ok, not exactly a Thunderbird but a '60s Epiphone Embassy Deluxe - don't see too many of them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPd-bQjZWzU
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Nice Embassy.
Horrible guitar player.
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Nice Embassy.
Horrible guitar player.
??? I enjoyed it.
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I don't know about horrible but I'd agree with horribly overrated.
At least it was more enjoyable than her latest endeavor with her boyfriend :-\
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdCRZQ-WvEw&feature=youtu.be
but hey, there's a thunderbird in the video ;D
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That was unpleasant (IMHO). I've heard her name before, if that's representative of her guitar work, I'll pass.
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To be fair, nobody sounds very good playing a gold PRS.
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To be fair, nobody sounds very good playing a gold PRS.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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But a PRS looks good. It's the kind of guitar that a perfect-haired werewolf drinking a piña colada at Trader Vic's would be seen with.
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... But that very same werewolf might be tempted to rip your throat out er... Dave... :mrgreen:
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PRS are mainly guitars for doctors. :mrgreen:
(http://i57.tinypic.com/1dna0.jpg)
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Not the best audio here, not surprising since it's an inexpensive camera. Anyway, we're having some Bowie fun, I'm playing the Jackson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYjZZxwaxw
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bass sounds good
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??? I enjoyed it.
RRRRRRRRANT!!!
So did I. Yes, she's hurried (so was Alvin Lee), but rhythmically accurate. And towards the end she slows down and is downright tasteful. If I was in a rehearsal room and a chick would play guitar like that, I'd fall to my knees after the jam and ask her her if I can polish her overknee boots AND become her roadie. (Wo)Man, if you are not allowed to play like that at her age, I wonder when you would ever be? Of course I personally prefer Bonnie Raitt's sublime yet understated style, but Lil' Ori can still grow into that. Or not. It's not a crime to play fast - especially if you do it well and with a decent choice of notes like she does. That said, I generally question the wisdom of Jimi Hendrix covers, but that applied to the hallowed Stevie Ray Vaughn too.
In this ageing forum, anything that is fast, youthful, exhuberant and over-energetic automatically gets the "crap"-stamp - unless it has a garage-amateurish sound of course - with no closer look being afforded the time. Lil' Ori is for instance a lot more accurate, tasteful and dynamic than a young John Sykes was when I saw him with Thin Lizzy in 1983 - and he was hailed as an up and coming guitar god at the time. How many wimmin do you know and/or have played with that can play like her? Most women I know play electric guitar as if it was an acoustic.
BTW: Is she also the chick guitarist in Alice Cooper's current band (when he's not playing with that wife-beatin' drunkard that is!)?
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I'm with Uwe and Pilgrim. I thought it was fun, certainly don't hear anything there worthy of ire. Sounds like pretty well executed if not especially inspiring lead guitar shenanigans to me. It's not my style, but why the hate? Haven't we had millions of videos shared here with less than godly lead guitarists that nobody cared to pick on?
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Oh it's good, just shazzy. Girl can wank like any dude.
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It's just soulless shredding over a chewed up Hendrix song.
I don't like that by anybody; man or woman.
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BTW: Is she also the chick guitarist in Alice Cooper's current band (when he's not playing with that wife-beatin' drunkard that is!)?
Orianthi used to be with Alice Cooper but was replaced by Nita Strauss a couple years ago. Strauss is a little more of a "showboat" than Orianthi so probably makes more sense in his production/show/vaudeville act.
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Only time I saw Sykes was with Tygers back in the very early 80's...
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It's just soulless shredding over a chewed up Hendrix song.
I don't like that by anybody; man or woman.
Agreed. And her tone was awful.
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I liked it, nothing exceptional but damn fine blues shredding doing justice to the tune
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The German band 'The Rattles'. Their bassist is using a T-bird II, around 12:05 onwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eS3ztmfTDw
It really underpins the sound of the band nicely.
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I love how you keep posting Beat Club videos (first came across those when looking for Monks vids), also how they use Sennheisser MD421 (in rare white) for the hosts (and sometimes even vocals for the bands, as they did with The Monks). Nice to see such a classic and seminal mic given a headlinging slot vs nowadays being mostly relegated to 2nd choice for drums and guitar amp if lucky.
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I love how you keep posting Beat Club videos.
Yeah I've been binging out on them. An astonishing snapshot of the era. The archives seem to have opened up, so you can see all sorts of obscure off-piste bands. Teenage Brits trying to make something of themselves out in Germany, playing covers and clunky originals. Some have the stage moves and clothes, others are barely bigger than their instruments. The bass is captured unusually well on most of the Beat Club videos. My current band has a strong '60s feel, so I'm trying to study the composition of those bass lines a bit more. They might be basic, but they somehow deliver the goods.
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researching this cos I've been assigned it for the sessioning module at college when i spotted a bird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0OX_8YvFxA
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Nice find... poor miming though... can't have everything...
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Nice find... poor miming though... can't have everything...
hadn't picked up on that but not watching it on the smoothest of connections,
what was most disappointing was finding out that Nancy wasn't the lead on this
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Mr Fisher, iirc...
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Welsh rockers Man. Their bassist is playing what looks a lot like a Pelham NR T-bird IV in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E21APHL0P68
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I didn't know Zack Wilde was Welsh (and started out on Teles) :P
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Zack Anderson of the Blues Pills with his non-reverse IV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8dF6OCytpg&ab_channel=wasaexpress
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And that, in Man, is Terry Williams on drums. Later in Rockpile.
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I remember that pile of Rocks... :mrgreen:
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I didn't know Zack Wilde was Welsh (and started out on Teles) :P
He did the same thing to an SG!
(http://www.manband.co.uk/gallery/colne02.jpg)
I think Man are truly an underrated band. It seems they are still on the go, but even in the '90s and '00s they were barely playing beyond bar and social club venues. A shame really, as they seem to have had a fairly unique sound.
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I like Man, but underrated? Seems like their following rates them pretty high up there, and I doubt if they ever aimed for commercial success.
They had a good sound, with Micky on the SG and Deke on the tele. I'm not sure if Id' rush to see them play though, Micky passed away years ago and Deke has been out of the band for the last 15 years or so. Although they are still playing as Man, it would be like seeing AC/DC without Malcolm, Brian and Angus...
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I like Man too, but they were perhaps too smooth for UK rock and too gritty for American Westcoast tastes, so - in the absence of catchy single hits - they fell through all the cracks. But they are not underrated in a sense that they have a cult following among people who actually know the band.
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I like Man. I heard their 2nd album 2 Ozs of Plastic With A Hole In The Middle in 1980 and have enjoyed them ever since . I remember liking Maximum Darkness with John Cippolina.
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I like Man, but underrated? Seems like their following rates them pretty high up there, and I doubt if they ever aimed for commercial success.
Maybe underrated as musicians? Just the intro to 'Many are Called But Few Get Up' is brilliant stuff alone, with Micky Jones playing those odd, angular harmonies and things. Both Micky and Deke were good guitarists. I suppose the issue is as Uwe says, they weren't really a hard rock band, a prog rock band, they weren't aggressive enough to be a pub rock band in the Doctor Feelgood pattern, they certainly weren't a West Coast hippie band and by the time they got John Cipollina in that psychedelic sound must have seemed pretty antiquated.
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Speaking of Man...
http://esotericrecordings.com/ (http://esotericrecordings.com/)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OjW1TDANxk
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Patti's derelict yet vulnerable beauty, voice and lyrics had something. Her band, however, didn't exactly qualifiy for A grades in tightness class. Whenever you see a clip of them it sounds like they are doing the songs for the first time. Toto they were not. :mrgreen:
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From Jimmy Kimmel last night... ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrJxyv41m1M&feature=youtu.be
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Fabulous!!! :mrgreen: 8)
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Chuck Garric votes for tb+ pickups and a three point bridge on his bird.
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a little Roll Over Beethoven with an Ebony 60s bird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykCYwhfdMs
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I think that T-bird player is Billy Kinsley who was one of The Merseybeats, John Gustafson replaced him in the band as he left. He late returned to The Merseys who had a hit with Sorrow. Great song, by the way.
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What the hell amps/cabs they using? The orange dustcaps make me think early Japanese stuff (specifically Foster which became Fostex)
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You get a squint at the logo at the start of the video. Looks like the Randall logo to me, but I don't think that fits the timeframe.
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Not sure if this one's been posted yet, but thought since Todd is an old friend of mine, and has always been a (mostly!) Thunderbird player, and sporting a lovely one here, thought I'd offer it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLovmg6I3tQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLovmg6I3tQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLovmg6I3tQ)
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Randall existed in the early 70's but I don't think that looks like anything they made. At first glance It looked like somebody turned a Sound City upside down but it's clearly not that either.
(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n614/tlkroon/eb31e801-2fca-4fdc-bea5-9f19e1282200_zpsfumsfr9y.jpg) (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/tlkroon/media/eb31e801-2fca-4fdc-bea5-9f19e1282200_zpsfumsfr9y.jpg.html)
Maybe some obscure Japanese or Italian make? Given the video quality it might be a long shot to read...
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There are some higher definition videos of Chuck Berry's Beat Club session. The problem is most have either those psychedelic overlay effects or the prominent blue background used to adding the psychedelic effects (like the Deep Purple video of 'No No No').
The chunky chrome logo does suggest 'Italian' to me, but I'm at a total loss. With Beat Club the house amps were Orange, so these mystery amps came into the studio with the band.
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I googled around for speakers with Orange dust caps. Obviously esoteric Italian stuff wouldn't show up. As I said before I could see this being early Japanese stuff. What google found was some vintage Tannoys (not going to be that) and a sghort run of JBLD series units where the alu dustcap was coated/anodised:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/e5lg7r.jpg)
"Yeah those are original JBL dustcaps that have been treated with a special translucient orange coating, Some kind of treatment to limit the tarnish that collects on aluminum dustcaps.
I can't remember the name for it but those drivers were one offs for the early solid state Fender Zodiak series amplifiers.
I had a pair of 10's in my Taurus combo, they are very bright & articulate, too much for my tastes."
Can't find images of weither of those amps with such speakers (only standard plain Alu) but that don;t mean the dude's wrong. Doubt those 4x12s Chuck n co are using are Fender tho.
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In one of the videos (don't ask which, they all sound the same!) Chuck is bouncing around near that double-head stack and you can hear a spring reverb unit shocking away. I wonder if the amps are solid state? There is a bit of an un-nuanced grit to them on the recording, though this may be the recording techniques used? If solid state then I reckon the heads wouldn't be that big? Who knows!
I found those Tannoy speakers online as well. I didn't find a 412 cab anywhere that fitted the bill. The annoying thing is that those amps have a familiarity to them! The logo looks a bit like the block logo Schaller used on some products. They definitely look to be of the early '70s, and they don't look British. They look a tad crude, with the small knobs and the odd ganging together of the inputs an channel controls. The white face plates suggested Laney to me, but it clearly isn't that. Sound City? Burman? I did some hunting, and there are just too many also-ran and unloved European amplifiers from that era.
From what I can gather, Chuck basically demanded a backline from each venue. Beat Club might simply have rented something from somebody in Bremen, where the thing was filmed? On the same tour (presumably?) he was filmed by the BBC and he is using a dark Fender amp of some sort, and there are Marshall heads sitting on the floor behind him.
Watching the Beat Club stuff, with out takes and all, he seems a somewhat dictatorial and menacing character. He is a f***ing task master! For a guy that basically rented bandmates like he rented his amps, and made do with whatever turned up, he cracks the whip. His whole stage presence has an air of menace about it, like he is always just on the cusp of getting seriously pissed off while working the stage and pulling off all his wee moves. Odd guy, but definitely a pioneer!
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Early solid state heads were made to be just about as big as standard tube heads (first because they still had large iron, and then later, so as to not look stupid on top of a 4x12). An example being the Randall RG100ES I just sold. Most of the cab is empty space or oversize heat sinks with large blade fins.
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The amplifiers are made by 'Blackfield', and were built in West Germany. They were the Beat Club house amps for a while, as I spied them in a New Riders of the Purple Sage session done for the show. The amps are on clear display here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiZg82R89Qc
(http://bilder.hifi-forum.de/medium/459470/fbt5000_45376.jpg)
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Good sleuthing! Now off to google. Thanks.
... speakers OEMed by RCF (Italy); quality units apparently. Lower resonance than vintage greeenbacks so should be good for bass too (as per the Chuck Berry vid). Interesting.
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I think we found the same reference page. :mrgreen: I was looking up New Riders of the Purple Sage as I wanted to see if I could find studio footage of them with Jerry Garcia, as I'm sure I had seen some before. Garcia was playing pedal steel through a leslie speaker. Instead I found their Beat Club session, with a different but totally kick-ass pedal steel player, and noticed those amps! In one shot I read 'Black' and in another shot I read 'field', so I did some Googling! Then I found the page with the Pacific Gas and Electric footage, where the name is clear to see. I could have trawled Beat Club videos for ever otherwise. I did find some Kinks footage, but while they were using the cab with the orange dust caps, Dave Davis was using an HH IC100 head.
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Nice detective work gentlemen. Never heard of Blackfield but FBT is an Italian amp company from the period and the general look reminds me of them. I wonder if the FBT models were some sort of joint design for the two companies. It would be cool to come across one but Im willing to bet they're not that common over here.
I have lots of experience with RCF speakers though and love them. My 80s rig loaded with RCF 18's & 10's was ear splitting in a good way ;D
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Here's some footage of John Entwistle with a Non Reverse Thunderbird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuI1GQJxGyM
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Cool, never saw that footage before, thanks.
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Nice! too bad the audio is rather murky, but fun to see anyway.
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Some 80's Aerosmith, not their prime maybe but still enjoyable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dacZjjkUFx8
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Covering a track from Joe Perry's first solo... :mrgreen:
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Here's a slice of Italian pop-punk for you. It's really very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYenh_EiOpc
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I might be one of the few who likes the Aerosmith version of that song better than the original. Besides I never saw David Hull play a thunderbird so I couldn't include him here ;D
He deserves an honorable mention for the Hamer 'xplorer though..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlO2-sDA92I
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A NR II sighting...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuODPZAnJ2k
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I've noticed that there's a TBird player in all the videos of Chuck Berry's 1972 BBC Concert. Don't know who he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBqd-5W4taQ
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That T-bird player ought to be Billy Kinsley, who was the bassist in The Merseybeats, from Liverpool. http://www.carlsguitarcorner.com/links/famousfirebirds1.html
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Thanks, Staffan.
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I've noticed that there's a TBird player in all the videos of Chuck Berry's 1972 BBC Concert. Don't know who he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBqd-5W4taQ
I think his name is Anderee Hearst. But you can't blame him for it.
I like "Let the Music ..." whether it's done by Joe or the 'Smiths. One of the few real up-tempo rockers I like. I saw the Joe Perry Project open for Uncle Alice (Special Forces Tour, by that time the alcohol abuse was really beginning to show with Alice, he performed well, but looked terrible). it was the first song they played and it kicketh the proverbial butt.
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Can't remember if we already this one here.
But at least it's a good excuse to listen to some AC/DC
(There's a Non Reverse Thunderbird in there somewhere)
https://youtu.be/pAgnJDJN4VA
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Some more NR Tbird action;
Brian Wheat of Tesla has been a faithful ambassador of the Thunderbird troughout the years. Most of the time he plays regular (Reverse) Thunderbirds.
But he also has at least one more NR Tbird (with different bridge and different pickups). (Not the same as the one in the video that 66 Atlas posted).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zwBRa0YhA
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The lead guitarist should have let Brian end that solo instead of suddenly appearing with a Ric.
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Good grief... this threads got past 60K views...
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Good grief... this threads got past 60K views...
I´m not surprised. I found this forum googeling ´anal mud fetish´ 8)
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I´m not surprised. I found this forum googeling ´anal mud fetish´ 8)
:o ;D ;) :toast: :rimshot:
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Great band name!
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Has this one been around yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss4jYTd8KUo
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I pride myself in my liberal views. We all make mistakes sometimes. But anybody playing a Rev TBird upside down, thus mutilating it to a Non-Rev deserves immediate dispatchment to ze Ostfront! That guy took their other song of this outfit "No Guilt Today" a bit too serious ...
I could only bear watching this vid standing on my head.
Must.
Erase.
Memory.
Come.
Back.
Diana.
All.
Is.
Forgiven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qa1pDqNjwQ
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... and for punishing us with that, i can only come back with this... :vader:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4OS17lqHiE
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This one isn't blocked in the states.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoCoxOBsBvw
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Shabat Shalom... ;)
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The Who was a lead act for these guys on their first US tour.
Blues Magoos- One hit but electric suits that lit up
The Who
Herman
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These guys still rock. Not the original bassist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHljgi4knrE
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That's a lot of guitars!
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Cool!I always liked that tune.The bass player has a sunn head and an ampeg 4X10 i think.
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Cool!I always liked that tune.The bass player has a sunn head and an ampeg 4X10 i think.
Yep 300B or similar (2x6550 ultralinear power section - conservative 60 watts on paper).
That's a lot of guitars!
Until recently, the band I drum in had 3 dudes, each playing Jazzmasters.
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I'm pretty sure these are in this thread, and pretty early on, but it has a meaning today... rip Mr Watts... :sad:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwVfEXJhQQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPWCg-iuqqs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sih9OVokuQ
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I always think of this bass with him. Its hard to forget!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koJxSCSGDkA
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Who is that moustached second rhythm guitarist and where did the piano player go? ???
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My good friend just finished his album, Barry Sparks played bass on it. Here is a video they shot for it, Barry is playing his signature bass that is based on the Tbird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8N6V5v74Mg
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And yes that is Mark Storace on vocals.
Pat Travers, Frank Marino and Les Dudek also appear on the album
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Can't say for sure, but this here one, at c:a 2:05, looks like a T-bird. Unusual music for that great bass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=139&v=SbPyKCNDzmI
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I believe it's a Victory headstock (smaller than a TBird's) and also by the sound of it: too much click attack for a TBird and once the bass player starts doing those runs in the middle of the fretboard, that is clearly the sustain characteristic of a bolt-on, not a neck-thru. A TBird would sound mellower and less direct, more billowing there, that is also why you really don't see them in those late night show band settings where you want individual instrument sounds to be controlled as much as possible.
Great performance by the way. And Victory sightings are rarer than TBird ones, so you have a good eye!
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Thanks, Uwe! You've got good ears!
I just discovered that you can see the bass in the backline, in the first few seconds of the tune. It sure looks more like a Victory than a Bird... Nice sound to it!
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Riverdogs bass player Cary Beare played a Victory in the early nineties.
I can't find a video with any moving footage.
But here's a YT with just the still of the album cover, which features the Victory right in the middle. On top of a flightcase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFaqBlr0pM4
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Thanks, Uwe! You've got good ears!
I just discovered that you can see the bass in the backline, in the first few seconds of the tune. It sure looks more like a Victory than a Bird... Nice sound to it!
You know, we might be both wrong though ... :mrgreen: He might be playing a Victory guitar (it's hard to see, the filming is so blurry, but aren't there more than four tuners on his headstock?), because there is certainly another bass player playing along too, the guy with the dark curly hair from the house band on the far right (though he seems to chording rather than playing walking bass lines). But let's give our presumed Victory bass player the benefit of doubt! Don't you just hate it too to be mistaken for a guitarist?
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Sounds like a five string. Or else definitely tuned down
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I'm pretty sure these are in this thread, and pretty early on, but it has a meaning today... rip Mr Watts... :sad:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sih9OVokuQ
Just for the record, one of the female backing singers on that clip is Sue Holderness. Better known this side of the pond for playing Marlene Boyce in the BBC comedy 'Only Fools And Horses'.
(http://res.cloudinary.com/uktv/image/upload/v1362056810/tyrxkprv74rx8h0whxqd.jpg)
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Here's a little bit of "Cars" as we make our debut at "The Swiss" in Tacoma, WA. 3/3/2017
https://www.facebook.com/The.Swiss.Tacoma.WA/videos/10154474924058412/
Played the Purple '77 for the first set.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/swiss.2_zpsojlmpwru.jpg)
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:mrgreen: - I bet no one said "That bass is too low in the mix!"
Great to see that tune played live.
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:mrgreen: - I bet no one said "That bass is too low in the mix!"
Great to see that tune played live.
That was a pretty good show, they had us cranked up in FOH, looks like we'll be in their rotation about every 6 weeks or so. We're going to re arrange the song a bit like Fear Factory's version - a bit more guitar.
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Kings of Leon with a white Thunderbird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eANNe2Gbf70
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Here's a little bit of "Cars" as we make our debut at "The Swiss" in Tacoma, WA. 3/3/2017
Played the Purple '77 for the first set.
That sounded great!!
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That sounded great!!
Thank you!
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That sounded great!!
Absolutely. Nice balance, drives the music, sounds excellent. Good technique, too.
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Tom Hamilton in 1976 with a
Bicentennial, nope, a 60ies TB II, good close-up of it at 3:06/09:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2v-u_4RxIc
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There are a couple redeeming qualities to the video, the Thunderbird being one. Has GMP had their Gibson clones shut down yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTSIeSkJJlQ&feature=youtu.be
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That lead singer sounds just like Robert Mason.
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One day, someone will adequately theorize why and how a depressive kid from Seattle had (all too many) LA glam hard rock bands turn into (new) country rock bands eventually. When did Garth Brooks topple Eddie van Halen and David Lee Roth from the role model pedestal? :mrgreen:
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He looks a lot like Robert Mason too ;D
Rock has gone nu country, nu country is turning to hip-hop, pop is turning new wave, I cant keep up. I'm just going to stick to listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd records and complaining about kids cutting across my lawn.
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He looks a lot like Robert Mason too ;D
Haha. I just googled it. And it turns out he is their new lead singer. Goes to show I haven't been keeping track of neither Warrant nor mr Mason :mrgreen:
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And I was wondering why he sounded nothing like their old singer. :-[ I thought the vid was prior to his premature departure.
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Brent Saether with Spidergawd using his lefty NR Thunderbird (with Darkstars)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2O1U6pkvtk
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Mike D'Antonio rocked a bird for this vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w3fqr-K9Fk
I like this explorer bass he uses here too. Not sure what brand it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG7n93dShNQ
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It's an Ibanez. Comes from the factory tuned in Drop C!
http://www.ibanez.com/products/eb_detail17.php?year=2017&area_id=3&cat_id=2&series_id=61&data_id=155&color=CL01
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Not a bad take on the Explorer shape.
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That's the Destroyer II shape of Def Leppard fame.
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Phil Collen as opposed to Rick Savage right? Rick played Hamer Explorer basses, didn't he? And more lately Status ...
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Yep. I liked that shape a lot. Well, on the higher end Destroyers with the binding. The few Destroyer II basses I saw (back then) looked kind of cheap in comparison, but I do think that white one looks nice.
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P/J pups ruin it. They just make it look like any other pawn shop bass.
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P/J pups ruin it. They just make it look like any other pawn shop bass.
Yep
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Just what the world needs. More P/J basses.
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I'm not chomping at the bit for a bolt on bass made in Indonesia at $999 either. The use of a hot jazz pickup at the bridge is an intriguing idea. The higher output should blend better with the split coil. I already have an spb-1 in my precision so I might try the sjb-2 hot jazz with it too. Think one master volume and a three position switch would be a good way to wire it?
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I'm not chomping at the bit for a bolt on bass made in Indonesia at $999 either. The use of a hot jazz pickup at the bridge is an intriguing idea. The higher output should blend better with the split coil. I already have an spb-1 in my precision so I might try the sjb-2 hot jazz with it too. Think one master volume and a three position switch would be a good way to wire it?
With the several P/J's that I have I find V-V-T or at least a V-blend to be the best option. I prefer to set the P and then blend in the J until it gives me the desired effect, and full on isn't always it. And of course, vice-versa
Using a hot jazz will give you more output but the tonality also changes and you get those boosted mids with it, which may or may not get you what you want.
Manufacturers are getting much better at matching their P/J sets. I have an Aguilar set with a hum cancelling J and they really did a good job getting the outputs to balance, plus soloing the J is noise-free.
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Thanks for the input. I'll start a new thread when I get it sorted. Let's get back on track with T-birds here.
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Mention of "P/J"-letter combination = doubleplusnotgood!!!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/13A59YEqF6INVe/giphy.gif)
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Perhaps a little time at The Ministry of Love is needed :-*
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Look, if Allen Woody said these are cool, then I think we can give PJs a pass.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/lomographer/guitars/mine008.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lomographer/media/guitars/mine008.jpg.html)
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Epi...?
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Yep an Epi.
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Allen Woody liked anything Gibson or Epi. Doesn't matter to me. That NR sounded nothing like a TBird and everything like a cheap import of its time with a mystery wood body and generic pickups.
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In the right hands they can still be a solid player's instrument. Here's one in action!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SG8pgzF9-Q
If this is a member here, sir I commend thee.
My first bass was an EBM4 just like this and it served me well for an import PJ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOl4t_jsiGQ
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And neither example sounds anything like a TBird.
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They are bolt on neck basses with Fender style pickups, so it's no surprise they wouldn't sound like a Thunderbird. Then again, the whole reason Thunderbird basses came to be in the first place was a reaction to the Fender bass. It's not far fetched to say that the Thunderbird's present day popularity is due in great part to it's stronger proximity to a Fender bass, at least compared to all of Gibson's previous short scale bass efforts.
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The only thing that makes them similar to a Fender is the headstock (kinda) and the long scale (the first for Gibson). After that they're all Gibson. The pups were sidewinders for chrissakes. Mahogany vs Ash; not a bolt on. Those are all very anti-Fender characteristics (bolt on is THE defining characteristic of a Fender, a founding concept). Shorties were very out of vogue (and still are the underdog, if less so). In fact it could be argued that if Gibson never bet as heavily as they did on the PAF and buckers in general, P basses would still be rocking single coils vs the familiar split bucker.
One could argue that the NonRev style was a bit more Fender (offset style like a Jazzmaster) but they litterally flipped the 60s Rev body upside down so whatever.
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The only thing that makes them similar to a Fender is the headstock (kinda) and the long scale (the first for Gibson). After that they're all Gibson. The pups were sidewinders for chrissakes. Mahogany vs Ash; not a bolt on. Those are all very anti-Fender characteristics (bolt on is THE defining characteristic of a Fender, a founding concept). Shorties were very out of vogue (and still are the underdog, if less so). In fact it could be argued that if Gibson never bet as heavily as they did on the PAF and buckers in general, P basses would still be rocking single coils vs the familiar split bucker.
One could argue that the NonRev style was a bit more Fender (offset style like a Jazzmaster) but they litterally flipped the 60s Rev body upside down so whatever.
My comments were about the Epi NR Bird with the P/J pickups. It's not mahogany, it had a thin veneer of an Asian mahogany look-alike over some soft mystery wood. The pickups are nothing like TBird pickups. FWIW the 60s TBird pickups weren't sidewinders.
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Ah, fair enuf, the Epi NonRev is a Fender in Gibsonish clothing.
Yes, the 60s pups weren't sidewinders, but they were buckers (with the exception of the split P, a very unFender thing categorically), but the 70s ones were sidewinders; TBirds moved further from Fender territory over time.
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The Epiphone was just supposed to look cool and be a cheap serviceable bass. I agree it's more like an assembly line bass than a set neck or neck through Thunderbird. The later reverse Epiphone had humbuckers but was still kind of a beginner bass and still a bolt on. What's so bad about PJ pickups anyhow? Check out the Spector CK-4, neck through with pj pickups. I don't know if it sounds like a t bird but it probably sounds good.
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Nothing inherantly wrong with P/Js (though I am not a fan of Js; I do like a good P even if they're not my favorite or preference) BUT, there is such a wide range of P/J pups spanning the entire range from shit basic to expensive boutique. Also they look ugly (IMHO) and have absolutely no mojo value aesthetically due to the fact that they are the style of pup used on 95% of shit or at least budget/bottom of the line basses that aren't distinctly trying to be a copy of something else (and even then sometimes, as demonstrated by that white Explorer above).
Even the pickups on weirdo 70s Euro basses look cooler to me (granted, what they sound like is more important, but this consideration is not irrelevant).
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I have to join the anti P/J group here. Of course there are good sounding sets and good instruments with them, but they are ugly
together and more often than not ruin the looks of the instrument.
My first P/J experience was a '74 Fender P bass with the typical EMG active P/J set installed. P/J will always remind me of that kind of sound/looks. I ended up filling the J route, winding a 60's style P and putting a mud by the neck. It's pretty now:-)
Agree with Jake too, odd pickups on cheapo/weirdo basses are often very cool. I love rewinding/redesigning them to sound good.
It's often just taking care of noise, microphonics/contruction and making them a bit hotter and they blast away.
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Where can I sign up for the anti P/J group? :mrgreen:
I had an Ibanez Soundgear with a P/J combination. Glad I got rid of it.
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:toast:
I thought maybe I was being unreasonable or a tad harsh.
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:toast: I thought maybe I was being unreasonable or a tad harsh.
Not really - you are of course entitled to your point of view.
I have several excellent quality P/J basses and I find myself quite happy with them.
Their aesthetics don't make me cringe and they all sound wonderful.
Hey, different strokes. right? ;)
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Anti P/J group? Sounds like something you'd find at TalkBass. :-\ Whatever. I've had a handful, and they're fine. Not my personal preference, but an effective combo in my experience.
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Anti P/J group? Sounds like something you'd find at TalkBass. :-\
Now THAT's funny... ;D
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I've only had one P/J, a 90s Fender CS model (before the "relic" days) called the Vintage Precision Bass Custom.
(https://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/m/msrDDLssmP1XBbK5ZTp76FA/140.jpg)
No complaints at all about the tone, after a couple of years I realized that I just couldn't stand the neck profile.
I don't hate P/Js, it just seems like a shame to do a tribute to an iconic Gibson shape and put generic pickups in it.
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Now that is a good lookin bass, Dave... and I'll take yer word for it that it sounds good too. P/J can work aesthetically as well as sonically, but sometimes it's like they design an instrument and the pups are an afterthought so they just throw a P/J on without regard as to whether it works or not.
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I don't think you'd have seen as many basses with PJ pickups if they weren't effective. Leon Wilkeson was quite fond of his PJ equipped Pedulla and that's a guy who used Thunderbirds and Fenderbirds. If thunderbird pickups were so great, then way more 90s videos would have had basses with what looks like the ass end of a sardine can in them. :vader:
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That's the thing, good P/J sets are effective, sure.... but there are a lot of shitty ones. More shitty ones on shitty bases than good. That's the other edge of the sword of (Fender's ) success; the horrible knock offs making your stuff look bad.
I don't think that it follows - what you said re popularity being driven by rock star endorsement. There are other factors, but even if not, I dunno if all the credit can be lumped where you put it. I know maybe it's hard to believe for someone from The South (I assume... though anywhere in the US is south of me and these days, one great big South) but there's a lot of people in this world who just don't give a rat's ass about Skynard.
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I'm in New England. I'm about a five hour drive from Montreal. I brought up Skynyrd because they've been mentioned periodically on the forum. I reckon there were plenty of cheapo soap bars on entry level instruments as well. I'm really just teasing about the whole sardine can thing. If anything, Thunderbird pickups are enjoying a renaissance of popularity today and there are more reproductions of them used in current basses than were ever produced from the 60s or 70s.
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Of course there are plenty of cheap soapbars too.
Good P/J sets are fine if that's the sound you're looking for. And you can put 'em in anything you want. But I don't consider a TBird or Explorer shape with P/Js to be a real TBird or Explorer.
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The best explorer was the first one with the mudbucker. If I had to pick between the PJ Ibanez and a real 80s Gibson explorer, I'd take the Ibby.
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"... but there's a lot of people in this world who just don't give a rat's ass about Skynard ..."
Sounds like the lil' Canuck still has hard feelings about the Jacksonvillers giving one of his countrymen an unfriendly name check in one of their more popular songs ... :mrgreen:
Here, at 4:34, like Jake, old Neil could take a jab and a joke and so could Lynyrd Skynyrd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCd43ntfxB0
PS: I have about as many Neil Young albums as I have Lynyrd Skynyrd ones, about a dozen each ... That's about how many Rush albums I own too. :mrgreen:
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Oh for pity's sake. I'm eligible to join the Sons of Confederate Veterans and I don't GARA about Skynyrd either.
Or Neil Young, for that matter. I still wonder what compromising photos he has of CS&N that they would ever let him play with them.
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I knew he was gonna bring that up.
In any case mouth-running Neil started it (and it was just faux beef/marketting ploy anyway).
Also you forget I'm an immigrant. I don't have to like Rush, and in fact I can't stand them (it's Geddy's voice mostly) despite being from the YYZ. Neil is ok, with some great moments, but has been progressing along a particularly Canadian style of senility for a while now.
... I lied, I do like one thing Rush did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmx5CI9Hxk4
and my absolute favorate 'appearance' of theirs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrMBIH2TBpU
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Oh for pity's sake. I'm eligible to join the Sons of Confederate Veterans and I don't GARA about Skynyrd either.
Or Neil Young, for that matter. I still wonder what compromising photos he has of CS&N that they would ever let him play with them.
I feel the same about Neil Young.
When it comes to Skynyrd. I would have paid much more attention if the ABB hadn't also been around. As for Southern rock itself, I feel the Allman Brothers were untouchable. (Despite the band itself not liking the term Southern rock.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdKx9O31A0
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Couple weeks ago I put on the headphones and listened to the entire first two ABB albums. Probably first purchased on vinyl when I was like 12.
Still sounds wonderful.
So does Great Southern, Sea Level, and Govt Mule
A big part of why I started playing with picks lately.
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To me the ABB transcends "Southern Rock". Yes, they have that influence, but it is one among many. I hear more Grateful Dead or Ten Years After in their music than, say, Marshall Tucker or Molly Hatchet. I've been listening to a lot of their stuff lately - in a whimsical moment I decided to buy all their studio stuff thru the eras plus some (not all!) of their many live albums (I only had the legendary Fillmore recording, a compilation double CD plus their last studio outing "Hittin' the Note"). And the funny thing is: A lot of their stuff sounds comparable to modern day Purple, the improvisational aspects of their music and of course, Steve Morse, in his Dixie Dregs days must have really lapped up those Dicky Betts runs.
I saw the Tedeschi-Trucks Band only recently - that concert contained more (and sometimes demanding - verging well into jazz territory) improvisation than I had heard in ages. Even more than you hear at a Gov't Mule gig.
And as regards Neil Young: I think his good stuff is so excellent it outshines the - somewhat plentyful - junk he has released. Him on a good gig is a force of nature to behold.
Isn't Geddy Lee Russian-Jewish origin? Those lingering border issues, that is why Jake doesn't like him! :mrgreen:
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Ladies and gentlemen, the great Uwe, who never lets history go and assumes nobody else does either ;P
I wouldn't hold the crimes of the Soviet Communists against a random Russian, never mind Russian Jew (historically persecuted by the Soviets among others - even here when I was in HS other Jews would beat up on the Russian Jews - there was one famous case in particular where the kid almost died). Even though some founders of the party and communism in general may have been Jewish, Stalin and his successors were not and those were the ones who moved against Poland (with varying degrees of success - Polish national heros Pilsudski and Sikorski beat back Tukhachevsky's forces at the battle of Warsaw in 1920 when Stalin refused to come back him up because he was trying to take Lwow, this marked the beginning of the end of the Polish-Russian war, which I will remind you all, stopped the communist revolution's goal of spreading west to the whole world - y'all owe us for keeping all the riff raff out going back to the Mongol hordes). .... also I didn't know anything about Geddy's heritage on account of not being a fanboy (the first clue I got was in that series of Time Machine tour videos, one of which I posted above). Geddy seems like a dude I'd like (and not a bad actor to boot) I literally just can't stand his singing voice (except when he sings lower, but that is rather infrequently and not the better songs; Roll the Bones comes to mind).
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I know you weren't. ;)
He sings a lot lower on the current stuff Rush do and is the first to joke about how high he used to force himself to sing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRw30MIRSYQ
That said, his voice is an acquired taste. Took me a while to get used to it when I first heard Rush too. Actually, when I first heard Rush, circa. 1976/77, I thought Welsh rockers Budgie had a new album out, the "Mickey Mouse vocals" were very similar!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54H3EUAzpVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxvqtGsHuxo
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Just listen to how great this Thunderbird cuts through ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO8k0X_vd1A
and here's a real one. Can't say it sounds heaps better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWUN1mtGHgo
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That's a great version of Jessica. I'm pretty sure I saw that when it first aired. Epi bass sounds good!
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That's the last lineup of the band I saw... Hammersmith Odeon...
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And no Cher either! :mrgreen:
Or sadly so. :-\
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Not the best quality but still interesting. The current and original Alice Cooper band combined for schools out in Nashville.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W46Qqm0wMjw
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And no Cher either! :mrgreen:
Or sadly so. :-\
Ah yes... Gregg and Cher... front row at the Rainbow... her attire, pretty much painted on, left very little to the imagination... :D
I posted a link to the below lineup preforming Muscle of Love at the same show, on another popular site...
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Ah yes... Gregg and Cher... front row at the Rainbow... her attire, pretty much painted on, left very little to the imagination... :D
Cher: homely skank with an unpleasant voice. Never understood her appeal.
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Guys, Dave doesn't understand boobs/legs. :P
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Guys, Dave doesn't understand boobs/legs. :P
Why, does the current day plastic Cher have them? The original Cher was almost flat chested and had skinny legs. Besides, nothing could compensate for that face. As Rodney Daingerfield would say, she's a two-bagger.
When she first appeared on the cover of Time in the early 70s, my older next-door neighbor brought his issue over and wanted me to explain why anyone in my generation would find her attractive. He said something like "I'd hate to be in bed, roll over and look at something like that!." I could only agree with him.
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I thought she looked hot and timeless with her long face - not your standard bimbo - and I always liked her one-and-a-half octave (or was it less?) voice. Not a bad actress either. The lesbian burial parlor make-up artist in Silkwood was a good part and if you don't like Moonstruck you don't have a heart. "Ok, we're selling the house then." Olympia Dukakis was wonderful in that.
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Not the best quality but still interesting. The current and original Alice Cooper band combined for schools out in Nashville.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W46Qqm0wMjw
That's real cute. :)
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Never heard of these guys until today when a friend of a friend posted these pics (https://www.facebook.com/alan.rand.12/media_set?set=a.10154686150733861.1073742826.655028860&type=3) on FB.
Bassist is Chris Laubis. Checked out some videos, he seems to be playing a Fender until recently, but no longer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqFAgiMau1I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEx3R5knj7A
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$7500 per their website.
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Is it just me or does the tone in that vid kinda suck?
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Is it just me or does the tone in that vid kinda suck?
There is some acoustic string sound there, guess the amp volume is turned way low. At least the sound I get on the laptop does no justice to this instrument - not that it means this instrument does not sound good.
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I figured youtube format compression doesn't help either, but that was a bit of a shock. I know they sound better than that.
I mean if you're not gonna crank it, why bother with an SVT?
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In that video it's not living up to its potential. The tone in their videos is never that good but it must be good enough to sell the items to people with enough money.
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I find those videos can sometimes be a bit self-congratulatory and the guy is sometimes pretty reckless in waving instruments around in close proximity to those shelves.
The audio is clearly the weak link in those videos as we are only hearing whatever the built in mic on the video camera is picking up. At times it sort of works better than a dry DI signal, but in the case of the T-bird II I feel we are missing out. I don't think Youtube's compression is the major limiting factor here.
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True American hit monsters (besides the Beach Boys), live in the mid 60's. Love 'em or hate 'em, these dudes were a hit machine well into the British Invasion. We cover a couple of their tunes (Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You/December '63) and they never fail to fill the dance floor. Nick Massi, the bass player, played some pretty busy bass lines on some of their tunes, especially for the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWBnodrR1M
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Julian Cope, with possibly Donald 'Ross' Skinner playing a non-reverse T-bird with covers intact. It clearly isn't Julian's bizarre double neck T-bird, F-bird mashup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttnQxRpKrg
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Alexander Hacke from Einstürzende Neubauten started out with an Epi Non-Rev (stolen in Italy), moved on to an Epiphone Elitist Rev (headstock brocken off by, no, not United, but rather Finnair) and is now happy with a Gibson Rev with TB+ soapies. He tunes it D A D A (I'm sure there must be an artsy inside joke in that tuning), which opens endless possibilities of doing two power chords with just one finger :mrgreen: , most Einstürzende Neubauten songs are played with that bass tuning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSIWeGl5BJQ
(http://2nr2qe35tr6o25q3na30huex.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2014/10/Alexander-Hacke-263x300.jpg)
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Could posting that be described as schadenfreude...? It meets all the criteria, mind you... ;)
You mentioned an earlier incarnation, so with my OCD in full force... :vader:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qY3Xh3bM6Y
Some of their earlier material is somewhat more er... industrial...?
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Their early stuff is demanding to say the least. :rolleyes: Ever since the Millenium and the Silence is Sexy album from which both above tracks stem, they have become this pleasantly artsy band which I much prefer. Blixa Bargeld - their frontman and singer - has charisma. I sometimes think that if the Nazis hadn't taken over in the 30ies and destroyed much of modern German art, then a lot more German bands would sound like Einstürzende Neubauten today.
Here is Sabrina with a Gibson Rev:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1AG8b0cwpE
And here is the original vid, it's a cracker of an intense song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnnGYaqjW-A
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Not a video, rather a pic from a movie.
American Satan- soon to be released.
TBird, skirt, long legs, plays with a pick, stockings and boots................ who does that remind me of?
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20617225_797964287032302_284743659022620398_o.jpg?oh=b5b5438e3ed46c24db2c5a5b75d278aa&oe=59FAB6C2)
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Einsturzende Neubauten was one the bands I was into in college. I had (where is it now?) the DVD of Halber Mensch. A sort of menacing art video of the band playing in a disused factory in Japan. From memory the bassist there was using a black '70s Jazz with block inlays, into an SVT. Blixa Bargeld was playing some sort of beaten up Hofner solid body. The other guys are playing lengths of pipe, shopping trolleys... cool elements of kabuki dance blended into the mix as well, and some cool jump-cut editing for the track 'ZNS'. My favourite is still the opening track Armenia, with Blixa Bargeld looking and sounding almost more like an injured dope-sick insect or dog-man than a human. This dangerously pale, thin man with clumps of hair missing.
As metalhead students we were totally into how brutal and abrasive the band was. I think there was a bonus clip or something on there, called 'Autobahn' or similar. The band are outdoors at a set of roadworks, and one guy is actually shoveling dirt and sand while Blixa sings through pitch-shifting delays and things. I wouldn't imagine a T-bird holding up very long in that sort of environment. There is footage of them playing in a small club somewhere and actually digging up the stage. It makes Pete Townshend, bouncing a Strat off the bottom strap button a few times, look positively childish and tame.
Odd to see Blixa these days as he looks so plump and comfortable; like some sort of rich German producer.
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Not a video, rather a pic from a movie.
American Satan- soon to be released.
TBird, skirt, long legs, plays with a pick, stockings and boots................ who does that remind me of?
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20617225_797964287032302_284743659022620398_o.jpg?oh=b5b5438e3ed46c24db2c5a5b75d278aa&oe=59FAB6C2)
Hollywood can't come up with anything original! I feel so violated!
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You haven't been sleeping around again have you...? :mrgreen:
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Never noticed this before, because, as much as I love The Cult, this album was the start of the end. Definately a TBird, but only in momentary snippets vs Duff trying to pull a Slash the rest of the time. Bonus: Slothead EB about 3 times for a litterally second each starting at 2:16. I doubt either of them were the actual bass played on the record (Jamie Stewart was still with them for that record and tour and he was always a P bass man, but I think the vid came a lot later - like 3rd single, and the bassist in the vid doesn't look like him but could be - hard to tell, no real good shots.... the drummer looks like Matt Sorum)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oRwlSIn918
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Not a video, rather a pic from a movie.
American Satan- soon to be released.
TBird, skirt, long legs, plays with a pick, stockings and boots................ who does that remind me of?
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20617225_797964287032302_284743659022620398_o.jpg?oh=b5b5438e3ed46c24db2c5a5b75d278aa&oe=59FAB6C2)
That's an Epi Gothbird.
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Einsturzende Neubauten was one the bands I was into in college. I had (where is it now?) the DVD of Halber Mensch. A sort of menacing art video of the band playing in a disused factory in Japan. From memory the bassist there was using a black '70s Jazz with block inlays, into an SVT. Blixa Bargeld was playing some sort of beaten up Hofner solid body. The other guys are playing lengths of pipe, shopping trolleys... cool elements of kabuki dance blended into the mix as well, and some cool jump-cut editing for the track 'ZNS'. My favourite is still the opening track Armenia, with Blixa Bargeld looking and sounding almost more like an injured dope-sick insect or dog-man than a human. This dangerously pale, thin man with clumps of hair missing.
As metalhead students we were totally into how brutal and abrasive the band was. I think there was a bonus clip or something on there, called 'Autobahn' or similar. The band are outdoors at a set of roadworks, and one guy is actually shoveling dirt and sand while Blixa sings through pitch-shifting delays and things. I wouldn't imagine a T-bird holding up very long in that sort of environment. There is footage of them playing in a small club somewhere and actually digging up the stage. It makes Pete Townshend, bouncing a Strat off the bottom strap button a few times, look positively childish and tame.
Odd to see Blixa these days as he looks so plump and comfortable; like some sort of rich German producer.
Wow, Alan, you digging Einstürzende Neubaten, now I feel like Jake being amazed that anybody outside of Canada remembers and digs Max Webster!
Blixa has certainly fleshed out, but he still has a fascinating charisma. Doubtful that he is still the angry young man he once was (who is?), Einstürzende Neubauten's Sturm & Drang times are over, these days they inhabit their own avant garde universe of what we in Germany call Kleinkunst. He is a non-singer in a way that Leonard Cohen was a non-singer, but I like the way he uses his voice.
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These guys have great sounding music and the bass player seems to favor Thunderbirds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97mzp1clNwQ
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That's nice. I reall dig that they sing Japanese, it sounds a lot more musical than if they had to labor with English.
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Agreed! I listened to quite a few of their tunes on YouTube yesterday while working. Really good music and interesting to listen to.
I also found some bass covers of their songs that were really good: all but one I listened to were played with Thunderbirds, new, old, NR, etc. The bass riffs are terrific and perfectly suited to T birds.
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Here's one of the vids I listened to yesterday. Nice selection of Thunderbirds!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aDiy8nbYVA
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I had never heard of them before, but have now ordered a compilation.
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Apparently, the origin of the band's name is as follows: "The band's name was derived from the ethnic slur that Japanese people look like monkeys, and that Asian people are said to be "yellow" in skin color."
Wicked sense of humor.
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That was good. Solid drummer! Didn't that bass player show up here somewhere else in a discussion about different T-birds?
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That's nice. I really dig that they sing Japanese, it sounds a lot more musical than if they had to labor with English.
You get a taste of tat when he sings "Lozeana".
I liked their music. The guy's a good rock bass player.
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The Cult were my first-love. The picture when freezed is to blurry but the way he moves it's definitely Jamie with both the Bird and the slothead,
Never noticed this before, because, as much as I love The Cult, this album was the start of the end. Definately a TBird, but only in momentary snippets vs Duff trying to pull a Slash the rest of the time. Bonus: Slothead EB about 3 times for a litterally second each starting at 2:16. I doubt either of them were the actual bass played on the record (Jamie Stewart was still with them for that record and tour and he was always a P bass man, but I think the vid came a lot later - like 3rd single, and the bassist in the vid doesn't look like him but could be - hard to tell, no real good shots.... the drummer looks like Matt Sorum)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oRwlSIn918
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DzNwtbuYjE
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The Cult were my first-love. The picture when freezed is to blurry but the way he moves it's definitely Jamie with both the Bird and the slothead,
Yeah, after I posted that I started thinking it was him. I never realised that Sorum playing this Cult tour is how Slash found him. He already looks old (there's hope for me yet ;p).
Anyway Sonic Temple was obviously the next step in the change in direction from the melodic gothic rock of their beginnings to the riffage of Electric. Edie in particular showcased their relenting to the excesses of the LA production tropes of the day, which was a mistake (because otherwise it's a good song). The next record, Ceremony, was near unlistenable, as it took production indulgences to their very extreme (the best thing I can say about it is that Duffy's hair was better). They had to retreat from LA (where they had moved to and recorded those last two records) to Canada so that Bob Rock could save the next record (self titled; with that black goat on the cover) which was an amazing return to Love era guitar work (but tasteful again) melded with modern rhythm section and even some industrial elements. The lyrics got better too. ... then I totally never even checked out any of the 2-3 records since then, I probably should, just to know, but Ians voice isn't quite what it was anymore (I am starting to sound like Uwe) - though that may be not so much aging vocal cords so much as style change post filling in for Morrison on that Doors tour (Ian was always evolving, which is good, because he was a little too unbridled in the very beginning), and I'm not sure Duffy's musical ego has come back to earth yet, but at least it can now be seen with the naked eye.
I know many 'die hard' fans have little love for Electric (I felt outnumbered on that point), and when the first attempt at those songs (Peace aka The Manor Sessions) came out many of them felt vindicated because they thought it was Love all over again, but I was thought it sucked (and Love is my fave record of theirs). It seems that Rick Rubin saved them from themselves on that one - too many layers of guitar for no good reason just because they could, acute arpeggio abuse, too much shazz, and a bit of a return to Ian's propensity to sing over the music rather than with it (see The Southern Death Cult Record, with the exception of Moya, which is perfect and stands up today; it took Ian a few records to integrate properly, taking well through into the Death Cult era and even a bit into the first proper Cult Record, Dreamtime). This is especially noticeable on Wildflower; Love Removal Machine is not so bad, but still (note the changes in the timing and cadence of key lines, and the that 3 note solo all over the hole thing). No, Electric is not Love, but Peace was a disaster and the band was right to call it a mulligan and go see Rubin in NYC. I wonder where that sense went when they went to record Sonic Temple and Ceremony; they fell into all the same traps on those two records. I did not miss the ironic correlation of Duffy's switch from the White Falcon to Les Pauls on those records; something about LPs brings out the worst in him.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DzNwtbuYjE
LOL - the beer the dude throws his bandmate when he picks him up is a Coors Light.
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If I was walking in the desert wearing black and carrying a guitar, I'd want a Coors light too. It's almost better than water. Since Pabst is a subsidiary of Miller Coors, my guess is the band is endorsed by them.
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Alcohol... you never own it, you just rent it... :mrgreen:
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I wonder where that sense went when they went to record Sonic Temple and Ceremony;
Sonic temple was Bob Rock, doing what Bob Rock does best, and given that at the time Sonic Temple was a massive success it makes sense that the pressure was on the next guy to repeat the formula. But I guess he had no chance as the band were falling apart at the time, Jamie and Matt had quit and Ian and Billy were barely talking. Ceremony also suffered from being completely at odds with the grunge zeitgeist of its time. I don't think it's entirely without merit tho, their inherent songwriting ability shines through on Bangkok Rain and Sweet Soul Sister.
I saw both tours and live the comparisons were similar: on the Sonic Temple tour they were triumphant young gods ready to take the crown as the new Led Zeppelin, by the Ceremony tour Ian was a shambling drunk, Billy had let the guitar hero ego take him over and the new rhythm section were by the numbers Rawk without the inherent groove of Stewart/Sorum.
(self titled; with that black goat on the cover) which was an amazing return to Love era guitar work (but tasteful again) melded with modern rhythm section and even some industrial elements. The lyrics got better too. ...
I was lucky enough to get to spend an afternoon chatting with Billy a few years ago and he was amazed when I told him that the Black Sheep Album was my favourite album, he was under the impression that the only people who liked it were them. It was a deeply personal Album that they at the time they saw as being their swan song. They were making it purely for themselves without any attempt at commercial success. Its ironic that its the only Bob Rock album that doesn't sound like a Bob Rock album, yet its one that he had more input into than any other. It was written at his house, and recorded in his home studio set up, and the songwriting process (according to Billy ) was centered around his private guitar collection. each song was written/inspired by and recorded with a different one of his vintage/classic guitars.(I'd love to know which was which, all I remember is that Billy said that that was the first time he'd ever clicked with a fender - a vintage telecaster)
The tour on that album was also their finest hour live, Ive seen them on every tour since Dreamtime and that was the best Cult gig Ive ever been to or heard. The combination of playing smaller more intimate venues, and the nothing to lose attitude was nothing short of brilliant, it would definitely be in my all time top 5 gigs. Of course this was also helped by the return of Sorum, and the addition of Craig Adams on bass.
Although the Cult were my first love musically, Craig Adams was my first inspiration bass wise so having my favourite bass player join my favourite band was manna from the gods to the young me.
I know many 'die hard' fans have little love for Electric (I felt outnumbered on that point), and when the first attempt at those songs (Peace aka The Manor Sessions) came out many of them felt vindicated because they thought it was Love all over again, but I was thought it sucked (and Love is my fave record of theirs). It seems that Rick Rubin saved them from themselves on that one
I'm with you on that one, Love is one of my favourites but Electric is probably the most shining example of brash , unabashed hip swinging metal(not released by AC/DC) that there is. I like the Peace album, but enjoy it as I would a cover album. its interesting to hear the songs interpreted differently, some work, some do not
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I forgot Bob Rock produced Sonic Temple! Damn. Probably because it is not like most of the other Bob Rock records I immediately think of. Very LA hair metal. I know he did Bon Jovi, Motley Crue and David Lee Roth.... but I never listened to those records so they don't define his style for me. This is the guy who did Nelly Furtado (not sure how big she got outside Canada, but it's the furthest thing from hair metal) and the Tragically Hip. So I wouldn't say it's what he does best, so much as something he learned to do well due to the demand for it (during a certain period of time; I mean excess is easier than restraint, right?). Even Metallica's black album (post hair metal period, if only just) isn't half as shazz-laden as Sonic Temple, and there's a band who are at least a little pre-disposed to that (at that point in their career at least).
Yes, Sonic Temple does have some good songs (Edie was a favorite to a younger me), but the never ending soloing over all of it drove me batty. Sweet Soul Sister is a standout track (one of the few where Duffy let the riffage stand by itself for most of the song) but the Bon Jovi backupo vox are ridiculous and have not aged well.
I wish I had caught that tour; the stop here got cancelled for some reason. I was not happy about that.
What tour was is it where Jamie switched to guitar and they got a diff bass player? Logically I figure Temple would need that more, but maybe it was Electric.
Considering how The Cult became a revolving door for drummers and then entire rhythm sections, it never occurred to me that either of the guys on the goat record were proper known guys from other bands - I didn't recognise Craig from Sisters of Mercy. At the time I didn't realise it was Sorum on Temple either (but that was before he got known with GnR, whom I wasn't really into anyway, so ..).
Getting slightly closer to back on topic, I recently completed my second attempt at a White Falcon/Gibson Les Paul Jumbo hybrid guitar. Surprisingly (the Gibson LoZ pup is nothing like the Gretsch pups) thru my Sunn Solaris and a 4x12 it gets close to Duffy tone (but nowhere close on any other amp I have tried so far):
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/41b6c5dbbfea1de9fa0cb82059486e8d/tumblr_ouqi2lHLEt1unxz8do9_540.jpg)
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What tour was is it where Jamie switched to guitar and they got a diff bass player? Logically I figure Temple would need that more, but maybe it was Electric.
It was the second half of the Electric Tour, they started with a uk club tour at release and then when it broke big in the US they played Arenas there and worldwide, and returned to the UK for a couple of sold out nights at Brixton Academy, which was shown on the BBC, something that was rare in those days. Jamie switched for the later set of shows. The bass player was Haggis, post Zodiac Mindwarp and pre 4 horsemen. I saw them both ends of that tour, I think the only time Ive ever done that.
At the time I didn't realise it was Sorum on Temple either
It wasn't. he didn't join til the tour. The drummer for the album was Mickey Curry, although allegedly a lot of Eric Singers work made it on there, he played on the demo's of the album but by the time of final recording he had parted company with the Cult
Getting slightly closer to back on topic, I recently completed my second attempt at a White Falcon/Gibson Les Paul Jumbo hybrid guitar. Surprisingly (the Gibson LoZ pup is nothing like the Gretsch pups) thru my Sunn Solaris and a 4x12 it gets close to Duffy tone (but nowhere close on any other amp I have tried so far):
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/41b6c5dbbfea1de9fa0cb82059486e8d/tumblr_ouqi2lHLEt1unxz8do9_540.jpg)
Oooh thats Gorgeous! I have daydreamed about a white and gold 335 type guitar, but I find full size acoustics too cumbersome so I'd like a thin falcon :p
I never knew that Bob Rock did the tragically hip, but it makes sense that he did other stuff other than commercialise many rock and metal acts, which is what I will always associate him with.
For my teens and 20s the Cult's musical evolution and mine mirrored each other. I was a 14 year old punk when I first saw them, as the support act for my girlfriends crush Big Country. we then went our separate ways. through Siouxsie I discovered the Sisters and Bauhaus and was a full fleged goth when Love arrrived. Then at college I rediscovered metal and was a denim wearing motorhead type when Electric arrived! after that I drifted away I dutifully bought the records and went to the shows but was disillusioned with them for for Sonic Temple and Ceremony, but the Black Sheep album came at a time when musically I was getting involved with dance music and electronica so that really worked for me.
It was probably always on the cards that Craig Adams would do a stint in the Cult, Billy and the Mission were thick as thieves for a while, in fact on the Gods Own Medecine tour he joined them onstage multiple times, and he and Craig were members of the same LA celebrity biker club.
To bring it all back on topic here is Craig with his thunderbird from that period
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SLwq6FHea8
This one doesnt show the t-bird, but on this non album release from the same period you can definitely hear the power of adding Craig's bass musculature to the bands dynamics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnyxEz4l70Q
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Oooh thats Gorgeous! I have daydreamed about a white and gold 335 type guitar, but I find full size acoustics too cumbersome so I'd like a thin falcon :p
Thanks, yeah, I actually burnt my forearm (2nd degree - blisters) on the binding from too fast strumming when I took it to the studio to plug it into a big stack fro the first time - came up with a Duffyish riff I wanted to hammer it into my brain so as to not forget.
For my teens and 20s the Cult's musical evolution and mine mirrored each other. I was a 14 year old punk when I first saw them, as the support act for my girlfriends crush Big Country. we then went our separate ways. through Siouxsie I discovered the Sisters and Bauhaus and was a full fleged goth when Love arrrived. Then at college I rediscovered metal and was a denim wearing motorhead type when Electric arrived! after that I drifted away I dutifully bought the records and went to the shows but was disillusioned with them for for Sonic Temple and Ceremony, but the Black Sheep album came at a time when musically I was getting involved with dance music and electronica so that really worked for me.
Interesting trajectory; wouldn't have guessed half that from the pics I'd seen of you. I didn't swing so far one way or the other but I did add goth to the punk/new wave and then threw in some rave culture at around that same time. If I had a metal phase it was in grade school - it never really took with me; kinda like hip hop. Both of those were what most of the kids around me were into, and though I liked some of it, I just wasn't that into it in a general sense - couldn't commit to the subculture. Siouxsie is still a favorite (and an inspiration, both her for the singing as well as Severin for the bass playing) but I never did get into Bauhaus or Sisters of Mercy as much as I should have. They weren't as accessible to me; didn't know where to start with them (they both had a lot of albums and some were actually not that great - the Sisters especially had some weird periods - I had a very limited record budget and didn't know where to start; didn't want a dud - this was before youtube so no other way to find out since I didn't know any other fans). I went with Joy Division and stuck a toe into the industrial scene which is what goth morphed into over here (Skinny Puppy was Canadian and their first record is seminal - that one is still in regular rotation for me... though most kids were all about NIN and KMFDM; I tried to convince them Puppy and JD were Trent's influences with limited success). On my most recent European holidy to visit the fatherland 2 months ago I actually was going to buy the Bela Lugosi's dead 12" cuz I never see that around over here but it was gone when I came back for it. I did grab the Southern Death Cult Record though.
To bring it all back on topic here is Craig with his thunderbird from that period
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SLwq6FHea8
A great example of Duffy restraining himself; just a little feedback play for the entire first verse. And yes, now that you mention it the bass tone on that record was great and typical TBird. The whole thing also felt more intimate - Ian's vocals were rawer and he displayed more range ( both in delivery as well as tonally; sings a lot lower for the first time) than his usual full-on wail (see Emperor's New Horse or Black Sun - speaking of, loved that out take of Bob Rock at the start of Emp; 5 takes ain't all that bad).
The band shot on that record's sleeve was the catalyst to get my nose pierced. Been wanting to since I was 15, but had to wait til I was 18 to legally get it done. Then forgot about it for a few months after my birthday, got busy over the summer and then picked up that CD off the shelf to take for listening on the subway to class and as soon as that was done walked right up the strip from campus and got it done before heading home. Weird little kink den place with some dominatrix piercer lady and this sub dude inna back who made the jewelry; a friend had her nipple pierced there so I knew they were clean, if a bit creepy (apparently the lady was into her - I wasn't concerned for myself in that regard).
Anyway, that whole record is solid front to back. ... I did forget about the drug references tho (and they're not positive ones); The Cult just never struck me as a drug band, but maybe that's what happened with Temple and Ceremony. I mean, they did move to LA and all.
This one doesnt show the t-bird, but on this non album release from the same period you can definitely hear the power of adding Craig's bass musculature to the bands dynamics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnyxEz4l70Q
That was the sign to me that the Cult might be bouncing back. The sheep record sound isn't there yet, but the elements are there just not glued together as well and polished up, but you could see where they were going. It's possible that Craig deserves more credit than I have realised up til now (he did get some cowrites on the album IIRC). Compare The Witch to Star and it becomes plain. ... which has some good TBird shots so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX7apbmwNJE
This record made me think about so many new things musically. Like before it I didn't even consider radically different snare sounds for different songs on a given session; or weird lofi tunings (I had hated ringy snares from back in my drum line days; love them now when appropriate). Extreme panning. Not erasing what at first seem to be mistakes or flubs (Ian's voice hits the limit in Star there a few times but it's wonderful); not having to have everything absolutely perfect all the time can humanise a song (something I think is really lacking in modern productions).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvPokmRpD4A
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Is there not an RD video thread? I tried searching but didn't see one. I could swear I've seen it, but maybe just in here? It's sort of shaped like a bird, right? 70s cheese, but they could bring it. No auto-tune here, though I wonder if some of that accompaniment is a tape. Some of the drums and strings sound too much like the studio version...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jqruhCiwd0&feature=youtu.be
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Thanx for posting George. The Babys is one of my guilty pleasures. I have all their albums. And a few of John Waite's solo albums and Bad English too.
The accompaniment is definitely not live. There's an entire horn section toward the end.
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I saw Midnight Special and didn't even consider it until I started hearing stuff that had no players on stage. I guess it wasn't always as "live" as they said!
I'm the same way with the Baby's and Waite's solo career and band projects. A friend of mine is playing guitar in his band right now and it kills me that I don't live anywhere near where they're playing. Every time I've seen Waite he's been really good.
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I dug the Babys back in the day. Back when Waite played bass, I saw him on the Midnight Special or Don Kirschner's playing a Zemaitis, which created my lust for a Les Paul-style bass. I thought he looked really cool with that thing.
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I can't seem to outgrow my love of bombast............
Frankie with a 50th AnniBird, $%^&&#@* out Solid Gold ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGoh-drn2iQ
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Is there not an RD video thread?
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=6622.0 (http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=6622.0)
Pretty sure I saw them pretty early on, circa 1st LP... there was also a promo live LP around the same time... the buddy I bought my SG and the Hiwatt/Marshall gear from had it... did have it on tape but long gone...
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This is a real surprise, and a sight of one of the oldest videos concerning the T-bird! Ladys, and Gentlemen, let us be introduced to the Firebirds and Thunderbirds nest, with a couple of tunes for every season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWBnodrR1M
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Not a big fan of the Four Seasons (sing like a man, Frankie!) but that's some good early footage. There's another Four Seasons video on page 2 of this thread.
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Multinational retro rockers Blues Pills (reenacting the late 60ies) with an original Non-Rev IV ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuYJH74sSkI
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Something is officially wrong with me because I just watched that entire video and kept thinking "they need to stop showing the leggy blonde and put more of the bass player in." I need to enter therapy.
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Indeed. You're being distracted by the wrong things. :mrgreen:
I saw the Blues Pills quite recently opening for - guess? - Deep Purple. Ms Leggy Blonde wore a tight leotard then (barefooted), but she doesn't overdo it with playing on the male audience's testosterone output (excluding those more interested in the blond boyish bassist of course, our tastes and preferences adjust as we grow older, there is nothing inherently wrong with that ...), she's natural about it, no MTV type choreo-sexy-chick-posing, it's all pretty much late-sixties-hippie-girl-dancing.
As for the music, they play their stuff with a lot of heart and energy, but pretending that there was no musical development since 1969 isn't exactly the future of rock. If someone gave them Janis Joplin's last album, they'd probably be shocked about how overtly modern it is. ;D One thing I do like is though that while their music is heavily indepted to blues and even soul influences, she doens't try to sound like a black singer (like countless others) and stays more in a Grace Slick mode.
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I couldn't listen to more than 30 seconds of her vocals -- agreed, very much like Grace Slick -- but she was fun to watch with the sound muted. :vader:
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Grace Slick with a twist of Debbie Harry :-X
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Grace Slick with a twist of Debbie Harry :-X
Thankfully I didn't listen long enough to hear Debbie Harry.
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I remember I liked this one when it came out. Still do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8V3N6M0toQ
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Makes me want to watch a Russ Meyer movie ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKIPI47hV6A
Eric Stacy later switched to Vigiers and I'd never seen one before. I pretty much blame him for making me lust after one back then.
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Russ Meyer...? Sign of a misspent childhood... :mrgreen:
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I consider none of that time misspent ;D
100% educational 8)
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Ah, the latter emoji representing all that optic damage... :vader:
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Well, this took me a few years to source... 1974... Mike Murphy on vocals... Greg Philbin with the Thunderbird...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuECp89Ya_8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2TTNILX_k
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDJKAV0SJhs
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That's not Kevin Cronin, right? Is it the original singer (Lutrell, who later on co-founded Starcastle?) or the interim guy (Murphy, who followed a leaving and preceded a returning Cronin)?
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I edited, prob you posting... Mike Murphy...
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Wow, that's quite a different flavor than with Cronin. Sure beats the hell out of "Keep on Loving You"!
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At 2:59 157 Riverside Ave. Nice sounding and playing bass break.
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Wow, that's quite a different flavor than with Cronin. Sure beats the hell out of "Keep on Loving You"!
Didn't you know, they were a Midwest boogie band once - more akin to Foghat than to, say, Styx. That said, Cronin (luv'im or hate'm) was immediately recognizable and their hits were excruciatingly catchy to the point of painful.
It was an endless US tour with them (Cronin era) that led Blackmore (who was their opener and saw Rainbow struggling every night to win the grace of the REO horde) to unceremoniously dump Dio as a singer and commercialize Rainbow's sound by getting in singers with more "girl appeal". From this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu8HiZepRWo
to this (within a year)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWPqRtozh0
and this (within another year)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gcc3hDC4kI
So blame REO Speedwagon!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Furry Wellies ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1siktyfFxY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1QyO4TkWts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpXNSQ2NXPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EtASVAJ5Rg
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Didn't you know, they were a Midwest boogie band once - more akin to Foghat than to, say, Styx. That said, Cronin (luv'im or hate'm) was immediately recognizable and their hits were excruciatingly catchy to the point of painful.
So blame REO Speedwagon!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Oh, I know (I AM a lifelong Illinois resident). You couldn't get away from their live album around here, not that anybody wanted to back then. I was working my first job at a department store called Venture when Hi Infidelity came out. I was in the camera department, which was next to the records and stereos, and that album was getting played constantly. I can still hear the reverb! :o
At 2:59 157 Riverside Ave. Nice sounding and playing bass break.
Extended version here, I beleive played on an Alembic. "Whooooooo! That bass sounds good to me!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRzqJSx8Wg
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Always liked both the REO bassist and their lead guitarist. They sounded organic.
That Live album broke them in Germany too. Guitarists were in awe of that one extended guitar solo that is on there.
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Guitarist Gary Richrath is no longer with us... passed a couple of years back...
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Wishbone Ash digging... pretty certain we've had some stuff from them and most certainly, I'm a serial offender, but quality is quality, in any market... :mrgreen:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6tEnOmA7xM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjPi9Z13eSg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg6zqejXvqI
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ5W6T6hU7w
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... And for those who prefer larger portions... ;)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJZOiIpccjE
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This looks like fun.
And there's a Thunderbird in the vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH9FyLsfDzw
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Love me a bit of Leo
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Love me a bit of Leo
He's no Leo Sayer, but he does make you feel like dancing. :mrgreen:
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Wild at Heart was on TV and that got me searching for the metal band in the movie. So here is Powermad and a NR bird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lJcyDYeIFQ
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Stray Dog I was unfamiliar with them until I watched the episode of Old Grey Whistle Test about ELP and they were mentioned as touring with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sbEdHgb2Oo
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Fleeting glimpses of a TBird in this one of Alice Cooper, with Nita Strauss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET2b-l6QeNw
Better view of the TBird in this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqJgx92rOL8
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LOL. Uwe thinks that album was aptly named ... but that song got me in to Alice Cooper (I was, like, 12, or that would be very shameful). Does not stand the test of time and the additional wankage does not help (likewise the lack of Bon Jovi's backup vocals).
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Huh? Did I ever say anything negative about Auntie Alice's Trash album? Like almost all of his albums through the ages it's neither terrible nor a cracker. I guess the one Alice album that you can hear from beginning to end without a duff number on it - and that is not a compilation like the first Warner Bros Greates Hits - is still Welcome to my Nightmare, although that came after he disbanded the original band. (Now I like the Alice Cooper Band as much as anyone here, but none of their previous albums were as coherent as WTMN though Killer and Love it to Death were no doubt in the upper tier of his work, School's Out (the album) and Muscle of Love not so much, Billion Dollar Babies is kind of in the middle to me.)
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A special live, long version to take us into New Years.....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CsBwBct0_5U
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Nazareth! Thunderbird II!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEG0-3xlAkg
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I don't know if it features a Thunderbird, but it is there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXTM-t5sCuI
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Karl Green in Herman's Hermits was in the front of the line who wanted a non-reversed T-bird. So he did what he had to do to get one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsdMx9m1VCs&feature=share
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Karl Green in Herman's Hermits was in the front of the line who wanted a non-reversed T-bird. So he did what he had to do to get one
Hey, the tug bar is finally useful!
I see a couple shots of Keith Moon's drum kit back there.
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The Vibrators are still around. Drummer Eddie Edwards is the only original member.
Pete Honkamaki and his Epi Bird
https://youtu.be/kzkQHClJNOA
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Lethargic English shoegaze band 'Slowdive' are back! And their bassist is using a T-bird:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwgq-IWtcPE
Very respectable tone from the Bird. When you're playing under a wash of reverby guitars you don't really need to battle them with high frequencies. The reassuringly solid low end of the T-Bird fits well in the mix here.
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Now I feel melancholic too.
I find the blow-up flamingo of the keyboarderess/singer grotesquely inappropriate and mood-ruining. It s(p)oils it for me.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKbbu6P5xrKbtPJUkonLP7QgCRPRJiZu4VS1kDYmRVrsyiFgyFrQ)
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Lethargic English shoegaze band 'Slowdive' are back! And their bassist is using a T-bird:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwgq-IWtcPE
Very respectable tone from the Bird. When you're playing under a wash of reverby guitars you don't really need to battle them with high frequencies. The reassuringly solid low end of the T-Bird fits well in the mix here.
Isn't the bass player new? When they posted the ad looking (like a year or more ago now) my guitarist had an unreasonable freakout - I mean I'm not moving to London and I'm not that great.
Ignore Uwe, the older gents always confuse slow with sad. It's cool to just be chill and content ya know; always gotta be bigger faster more (which explains the sorry state of the world today). It's all your fault Uwe; all of it.
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But I do like happy music!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwIrFTo495E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfZ23F89p5c
But I dig melancholy stuff too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaPv2MQ8OqU
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Morrissey isn't even that depressing, he's just an cheap/easy target. Quite whimsical at times, in fact ("I dreamt about you last night, And I fell out of bed twice, You can pin and mount me like a butterfly, But take me to the haven of your bed, Was something that you never said, Two lumps, please, You're the bee's knees, But so am I" etc ... I mean unless you an Incel, I guess).
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He and the Sparks adore each other - he plays their song at his concerts as the intro number.
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Ignore Uwe, the older gents always confuse slow with sad.
Sometimes it helps to be a tad forgetful.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Nuremberg_Trials_retouched.jpg)
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Göring (by the time of the trial weaned off the morphine and considerably lighter, also the darling of his American guards) wasn't so much forgetful as unrepentant. His best bit was when a prosecutor attacked him for having known that Germany had mobilized its military in secret for war to which Göring replied dryly: "I have no recollection of reading about Allied mobilisation plans in the Western press." Prosecutors wanted that answer struck off the record, the Nürnberg court kept it in.
All the other accused presented themselves rather poorly throughout. Given that Göring had become laughing stock and a baroque figure in the latter days of the war plus suffered a considerable relegation of his political and military role in Nazi Germany, he went out in Nürnberg with a bang rather than a whimper. Even his suicide was pre-announced by him. He declared that he would rather kill himself if his wish to be shot in military style by a firing squad rather than hung was not granted. He then did.
An interesting figure. Among all the darkness tiny points of light: He refused pressure from Adolf Hitler to have Allied airmen shot at their parachutes, declaring it unsoldierly for his Luftwaffe. And while his resistance (younger) brother Albert
(http://cdn2.spiegel.de/images/image-637219-860_poster_16x9-hgvs-637219.jpg)
protected and saved hundreds of jews (and the brothers never discussed politics when they seldomly met at family events), he intervened everytime when the Gestapo (which had Albert under surveillance) took steps to arrest him.
A man with a gargantuan appetite for embezzlement and corruption, Göring wasn't so much wed to Nazi ideology (his own antisemitism was often of perfunctory nature and he protected a few Jewish acquaintances) as he decided to profit from the "New Order": He was in for that 1,000 year ride that ultimately only lasted 12.
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Shit, I thought that was a photo of the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show.
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Ah, shucks, but that's ok, you probably meant the Royal Guardsmen, those profound connaisseurs of German life and their timeless ode to German military aviation, counting ...
(https://is1-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music/01/6d/d7/mzi.nykuqpjd.tif/1200x630bb.jpg)
and marching styles ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxzg_iM-T4E
rather than those talentless Scousers!
Lest we forget:
The Red Baron and Hermann Göring flew in the same unit in WWI so it all makes sense. (WWI, WWII & planes - check!)
And Snoopy vs. The Red Baron is Ritchie Blackmore's favourite song - it plays everytime the lights go on after the last encore at his gigs (in Germany at least). (Ritchie - check!)
Of note, modern historians consider Richthofen a closet gay. When German newspapers reported on the 100th anniversary of his beagle-induced death a few days ago, the pc comment was "no record of him taking any interest in the other sex exists" (anal sex - check!)
At least he left the poor dog alone (to the extent we know that is).
I mean how much more comprehensive can you get?!
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He and the Sparks adore each other - he plays their song at his concerts as the intro number.
This proves my point.
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All your points always are.
Proven I mean.
I wouldn't dare argue wih you!
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waitaminute
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Hey, the tug bar is finally useful!
I see a couple shots of Keith Moon's drum kit back there.
They toured with The Who in the 60's/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=170&v=05ygl9-5dvA
Never seen Kim with a TBird before. Really good shot of it starting at 4:01; looks like her own bass vs a rental due to the stickers.
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Oh yeah, that was her main bass for a little while.
http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/bass03.html
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I was about to say! She was a TBird poster girl for a while.
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Oh yeah, that was her main bass for a little while.
http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/bass03.html
88-93 - I was but a pup, and not listening to them yet. Frankly, never really watched a lot of their vids (they only ever played Kool Thing on MuchMusic, which is a crime). Never been one for live youtube bootlegs either so, I did this to myself it seems.
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Bonesetter
https://youtu.be/x_iO7F49T9I (https://youtu.be/x_iO7F49T9I)
https://youtu.be/x_iO7F49T9I
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IMA Robot Justin Meldal Johnson
https://youtu.be/MCUrU0GKYHo
https://youtu.be/MCUrU0GKYHo (https://youtu.be/MCUrU0GKYHo)
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Funny how tame they seem now, same with Zappa, listening now, his humor music sounds like kids music for today.
https://youtu.be/uXpEcumKktk
https://youtu.be/uXpEcumKktk (https://youtu.be/uXpEcumKktk)
They never did come out with his signature TBird?
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Naw, just lots of propaganda ahead, but then nothing. Same with the bass they wanted to do with Glenn Hughes.
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Promo clip for my band Who's That. '66 Thunderbird through my Hiwatts. Hopefully have some new stuff soon. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=908079049355992&id=582560325241201
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Promo clip for my band Who's That. '66 Thunderbird through my Hiwatts. Hopefully have some new stuff soon. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=908079049355992&id=582560325241201
:thumbsup:
You really cut through well.
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Classic Cannuk West coast alt rock. Very little focus on the bass player, couple quick glimpses around the 2:20 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX5lRR3SM7o
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This one is absolutely new to me. Never knew of that combination! Eric Haydock in The Hollies,playing a T-bird! Check at 0:07! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCj0nwcYZMk
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Promo clip for my band Who's That. '66 Thunderbird through my Hiwatts. Hopefully have some new stuff soon. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=908079049355992&id=582560325241201
Nice growl
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This one is absolutely new to me. Never knew of that combination! Eric Haydock in The Hollies,playing a T-bird! Check at 0:07! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCj0nwcYZMk
Good catch! Never saw him with one before.
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A little silly, but hey, it's a Thunderbird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUqjuAUus5Y
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Good catch! Freddie Garrity was a goofball, but I always had a soft spot for that song (in connection with a certain girl :) )
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The music itself wasn't goofy. What was goofy was that "Freddie" dance and his Jerry Lewis vibe.
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I should have said silly looking. It's a good song.
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I should have said silly looking. It's a good song.
Be that as it may, what's really important is that another video was presented which contributes to the appreciation of T-Birds.
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The TBird looks rad. I can't understand anyone back then seeing this on TV and not wanting one.
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Gibson must have had good salesmen in England! T-birds were in the hands of bands like Freddies, above, The Hollies, The Merseybeats, and even Herman's Hermits had them! But what happened next? There's a gap until Wishbone Ash had one. Why? And what happened to them basses?!?
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Gibson must have had good salesmen in England! T-birds were in the hands of bands like Freddies, above, The Hollies, The Merseybeats, and even Herman's Hermits had them! But what happened next? There's a gap until Wishbone Ash had one. Why? And what happened to them basses?!?
Same as in the US: what happened next is that Gibson discontinued them!
Considering how few were made in the 60s, a surprising number of them still show up.
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I remember seeing Wishbone Ash in maybe 1974...never saw a T-Bird before, and assumed all Gibsons sounded like an EBO...
Was floored by how wonderful the bass sounded.
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When did Wishbone Ash first appear anyway? And was that before or after Entwistle and Cornick played birds?
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Me too! I saw Wishbone Ash in Wellington N.Z. in 1974. I was very impressed with the bass sound ,that's when i became aware of thunderbirds.
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I remember seeing Wishbone Ash in maybe 1974...never saw a T-Bird before, and assumed all Gibsons sounded as wonderful as an EBO...
Was floored by how average the bass sounded.
fixed it for you :mrgreen:
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Excellent observation! ;D
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Hollies bassist took some inspiration from John Gustafson, around then with The Mersey Beats and their "Firebird/Thunderbird Trademark Look" which left quite an impression at the time (just like The Shadows had with their "Fender Look"). The paths of The Hollies and The Mersey Beats crossed constantly in the early and mid sixties, they worked the same touring circuits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqbg_iImtm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzzumaitk4M
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"Was floored by how average the bass sounded."
What was wrong with Martin Turner's bass sound with his Bird? :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhyaaoZHs4o
Granted, it doesn't jump at your throat like Squire's or Entwistle's, but then WA's whole aural landscape was less abrasive than The Who's or Yes'. I think he had a nice bony, yet natural sound, that went well with his melodic playing without detracting from the twin guitar harmonies. Couldn't imagine a better fitting one really.
Martin Turner got his TBird only post-Argus (that was still recorded with his beloved Ric - which was stolen shortly after - and he would even re-record it with a Ric - on loan from John Wetton I believe - when he did another version of Argus decades later, in 2009) from Overend Watts of Mott the Hoople - he first used it on a US tour of WA (the pictures on the back cover of Argus are from that tour - after the recording).
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That bass sounds perfectly adequate and probably much more practical than any EB-0 could sound in the same setting. Nothing wrong with T-birds but nothing wrong with being a mud lover either.
Lets see Martin Turner do this with a T-bird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up6EdGt68cM
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If you love that kind of tone, which I do, then it's beyond great. I also like very much the way Leslie West sounds on guitar on that.
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Ok, I get what your point was. :mrgreen:
Mud has its place, but Turner's whole approach to bass playing was always that of a down-tuned guitar, hence the lack of woof (it would only have cluttered things and make his lines less audible). WA could rock, but they were never bludgeonly heavy, they always had something airy and feathery to their sound.
In fact the other members of WA have joked that they only realized "what a real bassist sounds like" when John Wetton and Trevor Bolder joined them after Turner's departure - both were much more lower range oriented than Turner (though the latter would regularly tune his E string down to D because WA used D and related keys often).
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Not a vid, but a cute mistake, Leon Wilkeson of Lynyrd Skynyrd fame believed to be playing a "Firebird Bass" as of their second album (Second Helping), I only noticed this now as I leafed through the booklet of the CD ...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6AQQo8zvzAA/SvOCgN4j1KI/AAAAAAAABy8/RulbqyKmuAY/s640/LSkynyrd-SecondHelping-B%231.jpg)
Ok, now we do need a vid with that "Firebird Bass"!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU9QVycC6pk
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Ok, now we do need a vid with that "Firebird Bass"!
How about a Fenderbird bass?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkkRxJPcXmo
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Yeah, I saw that too, but it didn't fit as well. He probably broke his TBird's neck - with the amount of touring LS did back then ... Or he saw it with JAE when they opened for The Who on a lengthy US tour where Pete Townshend made that legendary "Aren't they rather good?" quote during an interview when LS where already playing on stage.
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The Fenderbird was actually a gift from Entwistle. Here's a gear list for those interested in what Leon used through the years:https://www.scribd.com/document/23991128/Lynyrd-Skynyrd-Leon-Wilkeson-Equipment-History (https://www.scribd.com/document/23991128/Lynyrd-Skynyrd-Leon-Wilkeson-Equipment-History)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEtLeoNW6Sw
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^^^
Good one, somehow I missed seeing that one before.
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Great sound BTW, not just killer looks.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEtLeoNW6Sw
This was posted on here before in another thread, because the amps were a mystery. They were German 'Blackfield' amps, from memory!
That Chuck Berry footage is quite cool, but there is a bit of a fascist vibe coming from him. He clearly ran a tight ship!
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Did T-birds come with rubber mutes under the bridge cover, like Fenders?
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Great sound BTW, not just killer looks.
Yes, you can hear the bass, which you often can't with Chuck Berry live videos. This one looks live in studio, so better sound.
This was posted on here before in another thread, because the amps were a mystery. They were German 'Blackfield' amps, from memory!
That Chuck Berry footage is quite cool, but there is a bit of a fascist vibe coming from him. He clearly ran a tight ship!
Chuck was known to be brutal to his backup bands. He ran the show and you did everything his way, or else.
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He was horrible to play with. He wouldn't rehearse with his tour bands - so they had to be on edge/on their toes all of the time as he ad libbed his way through. Not a pleasant man.
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Did T-birds come with rubber mutes under the bridge cover, like Fenders?
I don't think so. There were these copper tongues with felt, that you could fit under the bridge.
Like this one from Carlo
(https://images.talkbass.com/attachments/closeup-jpg.1967889/)
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Thanks. Never noticed that. It's like the first Jazz basses, but on the TBird they were not screwed to the body like on old J's, right? Or are there screw holes under the bridge?
(http://www.flyguitars.com/graphics/part26_1.jpg)
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He was horrible to play with. He wouldn't rehearse with his tour bands - so they had to be on edge/on their toes all of the time as he ad libbed his way through. Not a pleasant man.
From what I've read, his attitude was the result of being cheated and mistreated earlier in his career when he was in his prime.
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From what I've read, his attitude was the result of being cheated and mistreated earlier in his career when he was in his prime.
Which is why he had to be paid in cash before each performance. An extreme measure it might seem, but he must have had his reasons.
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He clearly ran a tight ship!
Even in his taco restaurant he ran a tight s**t ship.
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John McVie in 1970 with an NR Tbird! Don't think it's been posted before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONRlMK8C6A
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Great song
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Stumbled on this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBodAEO-DEU
Spotted a non-white T'Bird in this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIaeVzDgYMQ
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^
I certainly wasn't expecting that.
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Here's something else you wouldn't expect. Jason Momoa playing a custom Thunderbird with what looks like a single chrome covered pickup in the bridge position. :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9HqSaVXaIk
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I know Jason Momoa mostly from watching Stargate Atlantis. I haven't even seen Aquaman yet. I looked it up and an article said he learned slide guitar while on the set of Atlantis. During Aquaman he learned bass so he could jam with one of his co-stars. Although the article didn't go into much detail, it seemed to indicate he is having a good time adding basses to his collection. Aquaman was shot in 2017. So I imagine since that time he has had the time and money to do what he wants, including apparently buying some nice guitars and basses. From what he was saying on that video, it seems that Thunderbird was a gift, though.
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Found this bassist using a vintage Epiphone Embassy to back up Billy Gibbons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpBD1VzPjmU
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Good find! For me, though, nothing will beat the original by Roy Head & the Traits.
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There's a TBird in there I never noticed before (blurry in the back at 1:32), but I never saw the vid properly either or was distracted with nekkid wimmin' turnin' into iguanas (4:01) 'n' such ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtfM2CozoAo
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That video suffers from not enough nekkid women turnin' into iguanas.
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That vid would benefit from all of them turning into iguanas :-\
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Nekkid wimmin or not, another example of the camera spending way too little time on the bass.
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Nobody wants to see a black Thunderbird when Jimmy Page is playing a Gibson style U harp guitar which turned into a nekkid woman. If the T-bird turned into a girl she probably would have looked like something from a Picasso painting. Good thing they decided to leave well enough alone.
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No Thunderbirds here, but watching Coverdale/Page must have made this pop up in my YT suggestions.
Her name is Sina Doering, she's about 19, started on YT in 2013 and now has about 625,000 subscribers. This video from 2016 has almost 6 million views.
Also, she's German (don't tell Uwe).
https://youtu.be/grgnwQDygRQ
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That video suffers from not enough nekkid women turnin' into iguanas.
I vote this as both the most accurate and profound statement of the day. 8)
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Spotted a non-white T'Bird in this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIaeVzDgYMQ
in that first song I think that's Joan Jett playing the bird!!
they're a four piece in it and I think its the regular bass player (Jackie fox?) who's missing and Ms Jett filling in on bass. its all a bit blurry but to me the player looks smaller in relation to the bass and her way of moving looks like Joan
what do you think ?
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Here is a Sea Hags video that features an ebony Bird.
https://youtu.be/umJhPzQ9xP8
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my all time favourite band.
we've waxed lyrical about Craig Adams but he never used his Tbird until The Mission. I'd forgotten that the sisters briefly had a T-bird weilder when tony James swapped his space guitar and frightwig for a T-bird and played with them for one album/tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPfce9FvjgA
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I prefer him in Sputnik drag.
But he did use a TBird before that. Here he is filling in with Sham 69, but I am quite sure I have seen pics of him with one in his regular gig with Generation X (though he used a Ric for most of it - I think he got the TBird later after they hit it big in Japan).
(https://songssmiths.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/tony-james-of-generation-x-plays-bass-with-sham-69-at-central-london-polytechnic-september-1978-photographed-by-syd-shelton.jpg?w=300&h=209)
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Pete Way...
I can see the mess he's in... :-[
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbqICrtLBUw
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That's just sad..
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The show must go on they say. No, sometimes the show must not go on. Also, having advisors around that you'll actually listen to is always a good idea.
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Video from our last show. Outdoor festival even with the rain it was a lot if fun and very well run. Naturally it poured during our set sending the crowd under cover, the hill was filled earlier. The usual setup Hiwatts and my beat 66 nonreverse. https://youtu.be/R0aZah3G2Xw
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A little more video popped up, two full songs from our washout show. My bird developed a little buzz on one freaking note due to the weather. I am very pleased with my sound on these. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1252016728295554&id=582560325241201
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Those are great Scott!
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A lovely little song by a couple of lovely Japanse girls. :mrgreen:
https://youtu.be/fkWfFXnLpYg
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I don't know anything about them. I had seen them mentioned and watched a few videos several weeks ago. Here is a very short clip from SXSW. Some incident occurred and the venue pulled the plug on them right after that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mdDubfdQ88
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A lovely little song by a couple of lovely Japanse girls. :mrgreen:
Cool, I just love Marshall 4x12's in white tolex :)
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A lovely little song by a couple of lovely Japanse girls. :mrgreen:
https://youtu.be/fkWfFXnLpYg
Tempted to say this is evidence that drugs are bad for you. Disorienting.
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Wikipedia: "The band is named after a love hotel in Osaka."
I suppose No-Tell Motel was already taken. :mrgreen:
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Music video about America, 1969 - still has a lot of relevance, especially related to drugs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1cDECkN2xg
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A lovely little song by a couple of lovely Japanse girls. :mrgreen:
https://youtu.be/fkWfFXnLpYg
I think that just gave me a couple of seizures. :o :o
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A black sixties T-bird with Chuck Berry in 1972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD6Jk3uE1rU
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Chuck Garric playing a T-Bird for this gig.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShmKuwGH18k
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A lovely little song by a couple of lovely Japanse girls. :mrgreen:
https://youtu.be/fkWfFXnLpYg
I tapped my foot as it started, it sounded promisingly like Primus. And then ...
Please come back Slayer, all is forgiven.
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Jeez, I feel pretty stodgy after the last post....... :-*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-K982oUhTg
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Chuck Garric playing a T-Bird for this gig.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShmKuwGH18k
Alice/Vince never really sang all that well and at 71 he still misses notes like a young man. Charming. 8)
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Alice/Vince never really sang all that well and at 71 he still misses notes like a young man. Charming. 8)
On the other hand, Mark Farner always did sing well. He would be one of the best examples of someone whose voice hasn't been affected by time. But for the majority of people out there, that isn't the case. And if they never really sang very well in the first place, of course that's even more of a problem.
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I love ole Alice, his voice is one of a kind, bum notes or not. Mark Farner was in contrast a very good singer, he had a tone that always reminded me of David Byron of Uriah Heep - WILL YOU STOP DROOLIN' MARK! - who in his heyday was also a very good singer (if a bit on the operatic side) - before the drinks caught up with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGKCrlgXao
Pity that Rough Diamond went nowhere after that very promising debut. Byron and Clempson were an unlikely but gifted combination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVb_m7O11KM
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I agree that David Byron was a little on the operatic side, but that's a good comparison of him and Mark Farner.
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https://youtu.be/OtR7v643B60
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Pete Agnew of Axl Rose faves Nazareth with a TBird, that is relatively rare with him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEG0-3xlAkg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=war8zlIWoMY
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Pete Agnew of Axl Rose faves Nazareth with a TBird, that is relatively rare with him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEG0-3xlAkg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=war8zlIWoMY
Do suppose that' Roger Glover's Bird since he was producing them at the time?
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Naw, it crossed my mind too, but Roger only discovered the TBird during the sessions for Rainbow's Down to Earth in 1979:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGKOSXYXwU
And Hair of the Dog (1975) was actually the first album Nazareth recorded without Roger (Manny Charlton produced it) after he had produced three Naz albums in sequence and Naz began finding their feet in the studio.
But you never know - there were always friendly relations between Nazareth and the DP camp, maybe Agnew's bass ended up with Roger? Roger produced and played bass (this time for real) on Dan McCafferty's first solo album in 1975, but I'm not passing judgement on what type of bass Roger played here (but his mannerisms are obvious):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOlf5tc5FnU
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Pete (Agnew) was all Marshalls and EB-3 when I saw them in '75 or'76, Rampant had just been released, 8th row seats at The Paramount in downtown Seattle, not more than 6 blocks from where we had dinner!
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So after the shock of finding out my love of T-Birds was started by hearing an RD I've done a bit more watching and perhaps I was not mistaken, this video dates from not too long after my epiphany and although its mostly and RD or an EB there are several shots where it looks like craig is playing a bird, can you guys confirm? the most obvious being at 4:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRmmenyCkxw
and just in case I'm wrong, to justify this posts prescence on this thread, Craig playing a bird for sure a few years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tywA2Ql9aYQ
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The bass in the Deliverance video isn't a Thunderbird, RD or EB.
It does have a 4 in line headstock that looks a little bit like a Non reverse Thunderbird headstock.
But the body shape is completely different.
The upper horn looks Fenderish and so does the lower horn.
The bass has 24 frets and the 24th position has tiny position markers that are rather wide apart.
I see (at least) one black humbucker with three screws. And no mount rings.
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24 position dots clearly visible
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Found this on a google image search
(http://www.and-the-dance-goes-on.de/images/aschaff2003tg1.jpg)
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Found this on a google image search
(http://www.and-the-dance-goes-on.de/images/aschaff2003tg1.jpg)
so what is it?
looks like the love child of a Tbird and a Jbass
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Could it be a Status Buzzard II?
(https://forum.warwickforum.com/attachments/image-jpg.10039/)
Or is it the Overwater?
(http://www.muzines.co.uk/images_mag/articles/12t/12T_84_06_overwater_ba_large.jpg)
http://www.muzines.co.uk/articles/overwater-bass/6557
It must be the Overwater bass
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imma go with the overwater, a google image search for Craig Adams Buzzard just turns up pictures of birds of prey
but for overwater theres this
https://overwaterbasses.com/players/past-present/
also found this interview where he's talking about his basses and he says he got the overwater when he broke the headstock off his Thunderbird, if hes playing the overwater (and the RD) in the deliverance video then the tbird he broke would have been before that so in fact he may have had one during the early days of the mission, and it may have been a Tbird that night after all..
http://thealarm.com/line-up-craig-adams/
but of course now I've fallen for the overwater
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There’s just one bass in that deliverance video that you posted. And that’s the Overwater.
No sight of an RD. The 2x2 headstock would give it away immediately.
I did see an early picture of him with an RD when I googled him earlier tonight.
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There’s just one bass in that deliverance video that you posted. And that’s the Overwater.
No sight of an RD. The 2x2 headstock would give it away immediately.
I did see an early picture of him with an RD when I googled him earlier tonight.
your absolutely right, I could have sworn I saw a promo where theyd cut together two different shows, one where he was playing a 2x2 EB shaped and one where he was playing a 1x4 birdlike bass, thats what i thought i'd linked to, but it turns out i must have compounded them in my head as i cant find it now
he plays the RD in the one I linked to in this thread http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=10941.480
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Tsk, tsk, tsk ... non-recognition of a non-TBird headstock as such must be dealt with swiftly and mercilessly ...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5542/14020260710_660a38ff58_b.jpg)
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So that's how G.I Joe with the Kung Fu grip gets he kicks - who knew :-*
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You mean it's not Ken? :-\
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You mean it's not Ken? :-\
Ken is G.I. Joe's "other girl" :gay:
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/5542/14020260710_660a38ff58_b.jpg)
you say that like its a bad thing ...
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My parents wouldn't allow me a Barbie doll to go with my Matt Mason astronauts (I thought my astronauts needed wives, just like the real ones, they all had them). That scarred me for life.
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My parents wouldn't allow me a Barbie doll to go with my Matt Mason astronauts (I thought my astronauts needed wives, just like the real ones, they all had them). That scarred me for life.
It could have been way worse :-* You even dodged the model train bullet.
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My parents wouldn't allow me a Barbie doll to go with my Matt Mason astronauts (I thought my astronauts needed wives, just like the real ones, they all had them). That scarred me for life.
my parents wouldn't let me have toy guns, so I learnt how to make them out of lego
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It could have been way worse :-* You even dodged the model train bullet.
That seat (throne?) was taken by my elder brother - the ole MÄRKLIN diehard. He has never finished* one of those many train dioramas - to this day (he turned 68 this year)! :mrgreen: I went for AIRFIX instead. 8)
*I understand from other victims afflicted with the disease that "not finishing it is exactly the point". :rolleyes:
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my parents wouldn't let me have toy guns, so I learnt how to make them out of lego
And that helped? You're not with the NRA today and everything is good? :mrgreen:
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That seat (throne?) was taken by my elder brother - the ole MÄRKLIN diehard. He has never finished* one of those many train dioramas - to this day (he turned 68 this year)! :mrgreen: I went for AIRFIX instead. 8)
*I understand from other victims afflicted with the disease that "not finishing it is exactly the point". :rolleyes:
Interestingly, my local hobby shop took in an O Scale (1/48th) Marklin set that dates to 1935, labeled for the Deutsche Reichsbahn, complete with swastikas, it is of amazing quality considering when it was produced, it's almost scale with very few toyish elements - unlike the US made Lionel trains. Really quite a find.
For me, the modeling is indeed a wonderful part of the hobby, but so is actually running the trains and to that end I get visit with my best buddy on a weekly basis to do that, also I'm working away on track and bench work in half of the garage.
Sorry for the OT
(https://i.imgur.com/jWTPhDE.jpg)
Hope this helps
(https://i.imgur.com/QmZjyLt.jpg)
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I'm sure some of you remember these guys (at the very least, from providing the theme song to The Kids in the Hall). Opening night of a sold out 3 night hometown reunion run of shows was last night:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5K1-xcgp6K/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
That's the vintage bicentennial that the original bass player (Reid Diamond; RIP) owned and used with the band, but played by Dallas Good of The Sadies (guitarist).
Is there anything better than a Tbird and a White Falcon?
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Horsing around with one of my '76s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut1VZz-Ok-M
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Excellent! Thanx Mark
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That's what a 70s Bird ought to sound like. :thumbsup:
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Good legs, Mark! (And a nice sound.)
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"Big angry piano sound" captures it nicely! 8)
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Looks and sounds great!
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Nice bass. Maybe the coolest one in your flock. Do you have a fave?
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Nice bass. Maybe the coolest one in your flock. Do you have a fave?
Thanks everyone!
I was just having a bit of fun using an iphone to record that clip, I'm quite surprised at how nice the bass sounds. Re the bass, it's certainly in the best shape of my Gibsons because it rarely leaves the house, but I don't have a fave.
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Fun with the Orville.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o5wvh3Tdq0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFY5EqtsoaI
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Oh my, Frau Hynde was très hot.
Is there a bass in that vid?
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a year or so ago an old roadie buddy of mine got upgraded to their bass player. he was their back line tech and stepped in when the bass player walked out, and they offered him the permanent gig.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFY5EqtsoaI
:o WOW! Um... I'll be right back... ;D
I don't think I've ever seen her without a guitar. Not complaining!
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You and your fishnets. :-X
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Yummy! :-*
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Don't waste time here, look at the drummer I found for you, darn!
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Don't waste time here, look at the drummer I found for you, darn!
You're so thoughtful! (I like the lady folk too, sometimes) She's always been a fave of mine, wonderful musician.
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@ 0:45
https://youtu.be/A3DYqDugjoU
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From New Zealand
https://youtu.be/0bBQadrNiCU
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@ 0:45
https://youtu.be/A3DYqDugjoU
Suffice to say that radiation still lingers in some parts of Japan.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu9gKDFD45s
Just stumbled across these guys on YouTube and have been a little obsessed over the last week. Their live stuff makes me feel like it's 1981 and I'm watching them with Motley Crue at the Whisky or Troubadour. From what I've seen so far they've been around since the late 80s or early 90s, and are active now as well. I love 'em!
https://youtu.be/B_GT3i395B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2W-0RtNXo
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Made in bella Italia (by Frontiers Records, allora!) Dokken-, Foreigner-, Grand Prix-, MSG-, Winger- plus Whitesnake-luminaries & a 60ies TBird IV pilsoning its way thru ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY9KR7mEz1k
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Made in bella Italia (by Frontiers Records, allora!) Dokken-, Foreigner-, Grand Prix-, MSG-, Winger- plus Whitesnake-luminaries & a 60ies TBird IV pilsoning its way thru ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY9KR7mEz1k
I'm unashamed to say I really like this! I've always liked Jeff Pilson - total rock n roll soldier, a bit unsung, solid. I've never thought of him as a Thunderbird guy despite that early Dokken vid in which he plays a red one. Me thinks he's read Geddy's thoughts and decided to give the real deal a shot.
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That Black Swan album - record company ordered and manufactured as it is - is actually very good. I wasn't expecting much from it, but it is the best modern AOR album in ages, full of good melodies und inspired performances. McAuley sings like a young man with the experience of an old pro, Pilson has given the whole thing a great production and some tasty bass work, the drummer is lively and Reb Beach is a musician's musician, never in the guitar hero league due to lack of on stage charisma, but inventive und tasteful as a guitarist.
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With Mick Jones half-retired, I also understand that Pilson has become the current Foreigner's musical director.
Of all the hair metal bands of the 80ies, I always thought that Dokken - for all the drama and infighting - had something that set them apart from the pack. Lynch was obviously gifted and Don Dokken had an individual, immediately indentifiable style. There was bit more brain than hair to them.
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With Mick Jones half-retired, I also understand that Pilson has become the current Foreigner's musical director.
Of all the hair metal bands of the 80ies, I always thought that Dokken - for all the drama und infighting - had something that set them apart from the pack. Lynch was obviously gifted and Don Dokken had an individual, immediately indentifiable style. There was bit more brain than hair to them.
Maybe the hair was just a vehicle for them.
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With Mick Jones half-retired, I also understand that Pilson has become the current Foreigner's musical director.
Of all the hair metal bands of the 80ies, I always thought that Dokken - for all the drama und infighting - had something that set them apart from the pack. Lynch was obviously gifted and Don Dokken had an individual, immediately indentifiable style. There was bit more brain than hair to them.
I've read recently that Lynch and Dokken did indeed fight a great deal in that band, which is a shame. Taken for what they were I thought them quite good if not the best "Hair Metal" band, Lynch is a masterful, inventive guitarist to say the least, love his tone and rhythm guitar work, and yeah he can shred! Pilson is so unknown, but obviously talented, not just as a bassist.
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Maybe the hair was just a follicle vehicle for them.
I know what you mean! 8)
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I know what you mean! 8)
Uwe - he'll be here all week! Tip your bartenders!
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While surfing on YouTube for some ancient Kenny Rogers footage I saw a fragment of an early version of I just checked etc where Kenny doesn't play the bass. The bass in the video is a Non Reverse Thunderbird. (While Kenny was usually seen with a white fifties P with the single coil)
The NR Tbird can be seen at 35.17
https://youtu.be/7SXUpLDUKP0?t=2117
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https://youtu.be/J_tTvx3w-KQ
Dogs D'Amour - Satellite Kid
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One of my favorite Bill Wyman parts done fingerstyle on a TBird. Don't know who the player is, and his YT channel is only about a month old. This is the fifth video he's done with the TBird.
https://youtu.be/FeKZo_XGFkA
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One of my favorite Bill Wyman parts done fingerstyle on a TBird. Don't know who the player is, and his YT channel is only about a month old. This is the fifth video he's done with the TBird.
https://youtu.be/FeKZo_XGFkA
I wonder what strings he's using. I would've thought RS66, looking at the headstock, but then saw the same silk color at the bridge. RS66 hasn't had that at the bridge in a long time.
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That's one of my favorite songs by the Stones. I used to have to sing and play at the same time. So my bass playing wasn't exactly like that, but I guess it was close enough. That's a good video with the Thunderbird, though.
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Wyman played it on a short scale bass with flats and a flatpick. Just goes to show it doesn't need to be played the same way to sound great.
I don't know about the strings, LaBella DTB flats in the Light used to have red silks at both ends but the last set I bought was more orange. The strings he's using sound like rounds to me, though. Hard to tell from a YT video.
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I looked at another version of someone else playing a bass cover to "Paint It Black." It was much closer to the way I used to play it, although it has been so long I really don't completely remember. But I like that Thunderbird guy. I just listened to him playing "The Thing That Should Not BE." That makes me want to learn that or at the very least listen to early Metallica a little bit.
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The Labella DTFs in Light Gauge I have bought for the last few years have had red silks at the tuner end, no silks at the ball end. Looks like the same color of red, though.
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Odd LH technique. The tutor in me wants to stop him and say, let me show you a much easier way.
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Lots of cool Thunderbirds and other cool basses in this video
https://youtu.be/6jiw0NnZgvw
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Definitely, but I don't understand the point of the video. Are they all his basses?
And what's with the inlays on the burst Bicentennial?
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Yes, I do believe it is his personal collection (the vintage amps too).
I don't know the story on the bicentennial Thunderbird with the toaster pickups and the diagonal inlays.
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Yoichi Heesey Hirose (https://www.facebook.com/heesey0419) on Facebook
Found a pic of him on the Japanese Metal Forum on FB with the description: Yoichi "Heesey" Hirose, bassist of The Yellow Monkey, Liv Moon, Murbas, and several other bands.
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Yes, I do believe it is his personal collection (the vintage amps too).
I don't know the story on the bicentennial Thunderbird with the toaster pickups and the diagonal inlays.
Those pickups look familiar but I can't think where I've seen them before... ??? ??? ???
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Steve Priest (RIP) with a Thunderbird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ntFSFw2Quo
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The Heesey vid... possibly the most T'Birds in one video award...?
The majority of the band vids I scanned through he was mostly using them too... spotted the guitarist with (I think) an RD too... same vid had a quirky Gibson bass...?
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Those pickups look familiar but I can't think where I've seen them before... ??? ??? ???
Aha. Lace alumitone
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0026/5469/9593/products/Death_X_Bar_3_5_CHRM_1024x1024@2x.png?v=1565298863)
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I don't think those are Lace Alumitones in Heesey's bass.
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Hold on! Maybe they are! Look at the bass on the right of this pic I found on his Instagram account:
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Those must be Alumitones.
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A T-bird with Smokie. Who would have thought ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EFRzuIJnbo
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Smokie is a new one on me. I like the guy's voice. Nice, simple music. I miss that.
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They had a string of hits in Europe during the seventies. I think they (or at least their lead singer) are still very popular in Germany.
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Mostly known as a "pop" act here...
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They had a string of hits in Europe during the seventies. I think they (or at least their lead singer) are still very popular in Germany.
I always dug them, though they were (or perhaps because they were) Chinn/Chapman hit factory. The bass player had a habit of playing a different bass whenever a new single came out, much like Steve Priest. They ruled Germany for a while indeed and Chris Norman and whatever Smokie remnants there are still do the oldies circuit here.
Smokie's faux country sound was never really intended for the States, the home of the original music - that is why their management never really attempted to crack the US market. One of the songs initially written for them became a minor hit for early Pat Benatar (still sans leotard, for those lecherous louts of you expectin' somethin'!) though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dxydtIBVTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKbaGRKKogE
Smokie's tell-tale harmony backing vocals were for a while on almost all RAK recordings, you can hear them here (and of course Suzi's If You Can't Give Me Love is in essence a Smokie sound song):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XI9WN1yW_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PopHwKKNlWs
Finally, even Yanks know this one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGaF4tKUl0o
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Rob just didn't know about Smokie and the TBird because he pretends to only listen to cool stuff (Led Zep, Thin Lizzy & Mothers Finest mostly :-X), not teeny bop fodder like I still do, yikes! :P :P :P That is why he doesn't appreciate the greatness of Racey (love the bubbly bass!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY3pkagVP64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmSW3CuhZyc
or BCR either ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNLdOx5zcRs
Let's not even talk about Kenny!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkchPy8dlGM
Or Slik, a band Midge Ure (yup, he of Vienna and Band Aid fame) wants us to forget about too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CMGHx865T4
Whenever I go to a Midge Ure concert I fervently hope that he has the guts to do this number as a spoof encore - he always chickens out. :-\
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Honorary mention: Hello!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdfKv28Csoc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVEHcBS1xkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1IoKjeR_Z4
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I’d like to talk about Kenny, or the bass in the video at least. Seems like a two tone or tobacco burst precision with a black guard. I didn’t think those even existed. Maybe the the red is just obscured by the video quality.
This music is so corny and weird. Some nice Basses though. The one in the Slik vid looks like it’s more gold than natural, which is a nice departure from the norm.
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"This music is so corny and weird."
Of course it is, but that is part of its charm. :mrgreen: We're talking about the Atlantic mirror image to, say, 1910 Fruitgum Company, Archies, McCoys etc, 70ies glam teeny bop was Europe's answer to US bubblegum. It followed a recipe: loud drums, catchy sing-along choruses, Rick Nelson type guitar riffs, lots of harmony double-tracking of lead guitar lines, a certain "fairground merriment" in the (often overblown) arrangements and the instrumentation, novelty lyrics that picked up on teenage slang, but didn't really attempt to make sense. As teeny bopper music often is, glam rock was actually quite retro, the actual hit factory songwriting was firmly planted in 50ies and 60ies rock'n'roll and pop, even Doo-wop craft. BTW: Qualitywise, Kenny were certainly at the bottom of the heap even as glam rock goes. (BCR's group performance, otoh, was underrated IMHO - lost behind all the tartan crap and girly screaming. I'm with Joey Ramone who liked them too!)
Smokie, The Sweet, Mud and Suzi Quatro all had the same songwriting and production team (and sometimes the same session cracks playing on their singles) as did BCR and Slik (the Slik song posted above was initially slated for the Rollers and you can sure hear it!).
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Rob just didn't know about Smokie and the TBird because he pretends to only listen to cool stuff (Led Zep, Thin Lizzy & Mothers Finest mostly :-X), not teeny bop fodder like I still do, yikes! :P :P :P That is why he doesn't appreciate the greatness of Racey (love the bubbly bass!)
I'm a few years younger than you are Uwe.
When the teeny bopper bands had their hey-day I just wasn't really that interested.
I had a few older nieces who had their entire rooms covered in posters of Smokie, Mud, Bay City Rollers, Sweet and Rubettes (how could forget them!) Maybe that made me not want to listen to these bands too much when I was 9 years old?
Racey was a little bit later. But even cornier.
When Racey hit the scene I was into punk. Bands like Sham 69, UK Subs, Sex Pistols had my attention back then.
In hindsight I have to admit the Smokie had some good songs. And they seem decent players. Something you couldn't say of all the Chinn/Chapman pupils.
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Smokie were actually an unknown, recording deal-less hard rock band in the Faces vein when Chinn-Chapman "reinvented" them. Same with Hello, they were crunchy pub rockers when Russ Ballard (who penned New York Groove) discovered them as a possible vehicle for his songwriting.
And Sweet always wanted to be Deep Purple, but no one let them/took them serious with it! Which is why they then decided that they would like to be like 10cc, which didn't work out either.
And I remember a Melody Maker interview from the mid-seventies where even Eric Faulkner (reasonably competent lead guitarist of the Bay City Rollers) was adamant about his blues and hard rock pedigree ("I have left those 10 minute guitar solos on stage already behind me!"). That was the time when the Rollers saw their own best-used-before-date running out, clambering for muso recognition (and Jimmy Iovine as a producer to mature their sound).
The trouble with teeny bop bands is their comparatively short shelf life - once your audience's periods set in, your period with them runs (pun non-intended for Chrissakes!) out. What a rag it is getting old ... (ok, that one was intended ... :rolleyes: ).
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I always liked the story of the Living Next Door to Alice lyric ... (before they played that song to death and the horrible "who the f*** is Alice?"-version became popular).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6qnRS36EgE
And Clout ("Are the perms cheaper if the whole band gets them?") mirrored the exact same theme a few years later ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtVOhqarpVo
Uwe and his rubbish music taste! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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the horrible "who the f*** is Alice?".
That was the blame of Dutch musician/producer Peter Koelewijn. At that time already was a terribly outdated has been with a questionable musical reputation. He made that horrible version under the name Gompie.
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"This music is so corny and weird."
Of course it is, but that is part of its charm. :mrgreen: We're talking about the Atlantic mirror image to, say, 1910 Fruitgum Company, Archies, McCoys etc, 70ies glam teeny bop was Europe's answer to US bubblegum. It followed a recipe: loud drums, catchy sing-along choruses, Rick Nelson type guitar riffs, lots of harmony double-tracking of lead guitar lines, a certain "fairground merriment" in the (often overblown) arrangements and the instrumentation, novelty lyrics that picked up on teenage slang, but didn't really attempt to make sense. As teeny bopper music often is, glam rock was actually quite retro, the actual hit factory songwriting was firmly planted in 50ies and 60ies rock'n'roll and pop, even Doo-wop craft. BTW: Qualitywise, Kenny were certainly at the bottom of the heap even as glam rock goes. (BCR's group performance, otoh, was underrated IMHO - lost behind all the tartan crap and girly screaming. I'm with Joey Ramone who liked them too!)
Smokie, The Sweet, Mud and Suzi Quatro all had the same songwriting and production team (and sometimes the same session cracks playing on their singles) as did BCR and Slik (the Slik song posted above was initially slated for the Rollers and you can sure hear it!).
Thanks for the very thorough and logical synopsis. So where did yacht rock evolve from? An evolution of the same pop origins for a more mature audience?
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Yacht rock is dumbed down Steely Dan for the masses. With bad ears, but a good stereo. :mrgreen:
But even in its blander forms it is skillfully made (most Yank music is) und it has a certain longevity to it. Glam rock/pop was for the moment only, yacht cruises can last forever.
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I know very little about Smokie. I did encounter this song on You Tube some time ago. This, of course, is pop and so was the original Randy VanWarmer version. But this Smokie singer, whoever he is, really pulls off the song in a convincing way, IMO. If you've ever been dumped, this song captures the mood, needless to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNXo9owuR_Y
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I don't think that is the "real" Smokie from the seventies with Chris Norman on lead vocal.
Probably a new version with the one of the former Smokie members who is now touring the golden oldie circuit under that name, with a new singer.
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Not Chris Norman, they've had at least two further lead vocalists since Chris Norman left (one of them died tragically in a car crash).
Chris Norman's voice is always a bit on the nasal side. He said in an interview once that he had initially a clear voice but following a severe bout of flu "my voice sounded like this und it never changed back"
I think the only original member of Smokie today is the drummer. Chris Norman has a solo career and the former lead guitarist played/plays with a T. Rex tribute that at one point featured Marc Bolan's son Rolan (Bolan).
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Like I said, I know very little about Smokie. I do think, though, they did a good job on that cover. The original with Randy VanWarmer was also good (for a pop song) especially the lyrics. VanWarmer said it was successful because of John Sebastian's contribution. But I think he was just being modest in saying that. I don't know who Chris Norman is or anyone else who has been in Smokie. But I noticed that singer on that song also has a voice which sounds a little gravelly at times. I thought that added to the performance--at least in this particular instance. Needless to say, it's supposed to be an emotional song pulling at the heartstrings.
Edit:
I was able to look it up. I think this is probably the singer on that video.
https://smokie.co.uk/the-band/mike/
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Yeah, the dark-haired one (the other two were blond), no doubt a fine singer and he's been with them for ages.
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A couple of years ago one of my daughters gave me the gift of a pair of tickets to the "Yacht Rock Revue" and went with me. We were quite surprised at what a solid presentation it was, with outstanding musicians who really captured the style and sound of the originals. After the event, I explained yacht rock to my wife as "the music you really enjoyed but wouldn't admit it to your friends." Lots of stuff like Christopher Cross, and one of the highlights was Baker Street with a sax player who blew the audience away with an outstanding solo.
Back when I was spinning 45s and after Jerry Vale dropped off the map, we simply called that music MOR format, for Middle of the Road. Now it's probably categorized as 10 splinter genres.
At any rate, it was a fun evening and both I and my daughter really enjoyed the music.
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Yacht rock is basically easy listening or soft rock but shouldn't the subject matter have something to do with yachting or sailing? Captain and Tennille didn't really have many songs about being on the ocean even though the guy Captain had the silly hat. Larry Graham used to wear one of those hats but he's hardly considered a yacht rocker for it. Gordon Lightfoot gets a pass (wreck of the edmund fitzgerald) but I'm not so sure about the Eagles or Kenny Loggins.
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They're all fair game for the touring Yacht Rock Revue.
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to realize that Yacht Rock refers to a stereotyped lifestyle and the taste that goes with it, not the ownership of an actual yacht.
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They're all fair game for the touring Yacht Rock Revue.
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to realize that Yacht Rock refers to a stereotyped lifestyle and the taste that does with it, not the ownership of an actual yacht.
Ha ha, true. If owning a yacht was a prerequisite, then the Rolling Stones would be yacht rock.
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To give credit to Comrade Chris Norman (who is still very popular in Russia), his voice is still golden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpOBb13pvuI
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Does this here qualify as marine music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTqTE7aNjZQ
Little known fact: Looking Glass, who "never got over" this particular hit, because it was untypical for them and they couldn't replicate it, later on took on a new singer and changed their name ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIAS9mygJi8
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According to this, no.
http://www.yachtrock.com/captains-blog/2016/8/31/4sbtohjkixv5pjlvv4wg64w1ntucma
I'd have to agree. As much as it has ocean fairing themes, I'd say Nantucket Sleighride wouldn't be considered yacht rock either.
So are there any yacht rock videos featuring Thunderbirds to steer us back on course?
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no yacht. no rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWBnodrR1M
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Here's the Yacht Rock Revue setlist from Denver in Feb.2020:
Greatest American Hero (Believe It or Not)
(Joey Scarbury cover)
What a Fool Believes
(Kenny Loggins cover)
Somebody's Baby
(Jackson Browne cover)
Hey Nineteen
(Steely Dan cover)
Step
Lido Shuffle
(Boz Scaggs cover)
Love Will Find a Way
(Pablo Cruise cover)
Heart to Heart
(Kenny Loggins cover)
Sister Golden Hair
(America cover)
Lady
(Little River Band cover)
Rich Girl
(Daryl Hall & John Oates cover)
Steal Away
(Robbie Dupree cover)
Bad Tequila
Africa
(Toto cover)
Running With the Night
(Lionel Richie cover)
How Long
(Ace cover)
Don't Stop
(Fleetwood Mac cover)
Biggest Part of Me
(Ambrosia cover)
Late in the Evening
(Paul Simon cover)
Turn Your Love Around
(George Benson cover)
She's Gone
(Daryl Hall & John Oates cover)
Reelin' in the Years
(Steely Dan cover)
Escape (The Piña Colada Song)
(Rupert Holmes cover)
Baker Street
(Gerry Rafferty cover)
Ride Like the Wind
(Christopher Cross cover)
Encore:
You Can Call Me Al
(Paul Simon cover)
More Than a Feeling
(Boston cover)
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would fill the tip jar in the right room.
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I never heard the term Yacht Rock before. None of the songs listed are in my collection.
Re the Four Seasons, to each his own. I can't listen to Frankie Valli, it just grates on my nerves. When my older son told me that he and my daughter-in-law had gone to see Jersey Boys, I asked him what he had done to deserve punishment like that.
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Re the Four Seasons, to each his own. I can't listen to Frankie Valli, it just grates on my nerves.
They're horrible indeed! But this thread needed a Thunderbird video :mrgreen:
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Yacht Rock has been a cover band theme for years now. We've got a few here in Chicago. That list is a pretty good representation of songs. Baker Street is a staple. ;D They're definitely making more than tip jar money!
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no yacht. no rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWBnodrR1M
But it's 60ies pop! I have a weak spot for that from all the singles my nine year older brother had, I can even handle Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich in small doses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5RiPbBgO6g
Not art as we know it, I know. :-[
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wrong thread ;D
it should go here:
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=5698.0
Anyway. Back to t-birds: :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGYIoz0wRPo
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Yacht Rock has been a cover band theme for years now. We've got a few here in Chicago. That list is a pretty good representation of songs. Baker Street is a staple. ;D They're definitely making more than tip jar money!
Hearing a really good sax player play Baker Street with a couple of long solos is an excellent thing! 8)
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Unidentified Flying Object sans Kraut but with Donnervogel ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjZzuVJD-KI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKF-lHIgJII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n13OnyJSG_4
Many decades later, a lot of hair has gone, Americans have invaded, but ze Donnervogel ist immer noch da, albeit with a new player ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Jd6JNLop4
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They're horrible indeed! But this thread needed a Thunderbird video :mrgreen:
Yes!
Just say no to Yacht Rock unless there are TBirds.
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:mrgreen:
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Ye mortals, make way for the Imperial Wizard of Circum
cisionvention! Your hapless attempts thwart me not, I'm a lawyer, no loophole, however small, is safe from me! Thunderpelican Yacht Rock, voilà!
https://youtu.be/e7Yn9rzfQXA
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I hate to admit it, but I actually watched enough of a Steely Dan video to see the Thunderbird. Didn't think I could make it that far.
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Ye mortals, make way for the Imperial Wizard of Circumcisionvention! Your hapless attempts thwart me not, I'm a lawyer, no loophole, however small, is safe from me! Thunderpelican Yacht Rock, voilà!
No comment about loop-holes is safe from innuendo on this site...nudge, nudge.
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Now would be perfect timing for a Walter Becker signature Thunderbird. Give it an aquamarine and florescent pink finish for the yacht rock fans. That would be a way for Gibson to one up Dean.
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It'll need flamingo inlays.
And I have an idea for the factory strings ...
(https://muzikercdn.com/uploads/products/235/23536/thumb_d_gallery_2b49eab0.jpg)
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Don't laugh, I have those on my black Krist Novoselic RD! :mrgreen:
Last time I brought it with me, my band mates were fashion-helpful by recommending that I should perhaps have my toe nails made to match.
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Ye mortals, make way for the Imperial Wizard of Circumcisionvention! Your hapless attempts thwart me not, I'm a lawyer, no loophole, however small, is safe from me! Thunderpelican Yacht Rock, voilà!
https://youtu.be/e7Yn9rzfQXA
While the 'Bird is amazing in it's own right, Skunk Baxter as a Defense Consultant.......................mindblown!
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Notably, he was still standing on stage back then and not sitting on a bar stool playing guitar.
Baxter did have a guitar sound all of his own though.
I always got him and Les Dudek mixed up.
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Here's the Yacht Rock Revue setlist from Denver in Feb.2020:
Greatest American Hero (Believe It or Not)
(Joey Scarbury cover)
What a Fool Believes
(Kenny Loggins cover)
Somebody's Baby
(Jackson Browne cover)
Hey Nineteen
(Steely Dan cover)
Step
Lido Shuffle
(Boz Scaggs cover)
Love Will Find a Way
(Pablo Cruise cover)
Heart to Heart
(Kenny Loggins cover)
Sister Golden Hair
(America cover)
Lady
(Little River Band cover)
Rich Girl
(Daryl Hall & John Oates cover)
Steal Away
(Robbie Dupree cover)
Bad Tequila
Africa
(Toto cover)
Running With the Night
(Lionel Richie cover)
How Long
(Ace cover)
Don't Stop
(Fleetwood Mac cover)
Biggest Part of Me
(Ambrosia cover)
Late in the Evening
(Paul Simon cover)
Turn Your Love Around
(George Benson cover)
She's Gone
(Daryl Hall & John Oates cover)
Reelin' in the Years
(Steely Dan cover)
Escape (The Piña Colada Song)
(Rupert Holmes cover)
Baker Street
(Gerry Rafferty cover)
Ride Like the Wind
(Christopher Cross cover)
Encore:
You Can Call Me Al
(Paul Simon cover)
More Than a Feeling
(Boston cover)
so yacht rock is basically just men of a certain age avoiding the term Pop-rock
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I hate to admit it, but I actually watched enough of a Steely Dan video to see the Thunderbird. Didn't think I could make it that far.
That must have been pretty painful. I can endure a lot, but certainly not that.
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so yacht rock is basically just men of a certain age avoiding the term Pop-rock
Enough beer solves that problem. :o :mrgreen:
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so yacht rock is basically just men of a certain age avoiding the term Pop-rock
Apparently so.
That must have been pretty painful. I can endure a lot, but certainly not that.
Normally I can't switch stations or hit the off switch fast enough when I hear the opening bars of a Steely Dan song.
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Apparently so.
Normally I can't switch stations or hit the off switch fast enough when I hear the opening bars of a Steely Dan song.
Sometimes bands such as Steely Dan or U2 come on the scene. People all around me are really liking them. I might even try to like them, too. But especially in the case of Steely Dan the appeal for me just never seemed to be there.
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The Steely Dan song that I most dislike is "Dirty Work". To me it sounds whiny. My band has played it and it's one that I had to "shut up and play" rather than argue about. Others accommodated me on tunes I liked better than they did.
Overall, not a fan of theirs. A tune like "Reelin' in the Years" that moves along is OK with me.
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Just like anything else, it's just a matter of taste. However, the genre isn't something I'll ever be interested in.
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wrong thread ;D
it should go here:
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=5698.0
Anyway. Back to t-birds: :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGYIoz0wRPo
I think that's also a really underrated Cult album. I've really liked it a lot since it came out in the mid-'90s.
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If you can stand to listen to this, you'll see Kim with a Thunderbird as well as several other instruments.
Don't blame me if you're traumatized.
https://youtu.be/Kb46UMdmGqY
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Couldn't handle it enough to see the T-bird. Yeeeesh. :P
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I like it. Einstürzende Neubauten rule!
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Strangely compelling. And just all around strange, but enjoyable, at least one time.
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You just like anything that's weird. :popcorn:
Speaking of ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SSA76XusyY
A national treasure, no less. Alexander Hacke, the bassist, tunes his Birds D A D A.
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You just like anything that's weird.
Is there a problem with that? :D
There was a time after Last Splash when the Breeders fell apart with drug problems etc and I thought Kim was getting boring and just rehashing her old music. I'm glad she has proved me wrong lately.
Fun fact - I found out the guy on the drums with Kim, Britt Walford, is something of an indie rock legend - he played on that first Breeders album (Pod) under a pseudonym, and around the same time he was playing in Slint, one of those bands that hardly anyone heard but had an influence far beyond their stature, especially the whole "Post-rock" scene. I liked them. GearHed might like them ;) I think Walford was still under 20 at the time.
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Funny you should mention Slint. I did some cases for them back in '07. Consequently got tickets to their show at Park West in Chicago. They were an interesting band. I wasn't that captivated, but I might go back and give their stuff another chance. The thing that stood out the most was the silence from the crowd between songs. It seemed to be some kind of inside joke, like "Primus sucks" that only the hip fans knew about. Strange indeed!
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One of the greatest songs ever written.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ZoBmN_D4w
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One of the greatest songs ever written.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ZoBmN_D4w
Is that an 8-string Hamer?
Edit: Did some quick research answering my own question. That is indeed a Hamer and Tom Petersson no less playing it.
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Most likely a 12-string then
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Hmm, look who the seller was: https://reverb.com/ca/item/5521304-hamer-fb-viii-thunderbird-8-string-bass-tom-petersson-cheap-trick (https://reverb.com/ca/item/5521304-hamer-fb-viii-thunderbird-8-string-bass-tom-petersson-cheap-trick)
Maybe not the very same bass as the one above but similar.
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Hmm, look who the seller was: https://reverb.com/ca/item/5521304-hamer-fb-viii-thunderbird-8-string-bass-tom-petersson-cheap-trick (https://reverb.com/ca/item/5521304-hamer-fb-viii-thunderbird-8-string-bass-tom-petersson-cheap-trick)
Maybe not the very same bass as the one above but similar.
Probably the same.
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Yes, that is one and the same bass.
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I like it. Einstürzende Neubauten rule!
Yes! Such a great live band, too.
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I had the album Laughin' At Judgement Day in the car today. And I remembered their bass player at the time had a Thunderbird.
So I checked out on YouTube if there was any decent live footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5t4dQ0jbXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Keo9M9_KE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6iDXeVWdwY
I saw them live about a dozen times. They never disappointed. Super solid live band.
They did get a bit predictable after a while. But I guess any band will be after you've seen them ten or more times live ;-)
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Ha ha, true. If owning a yacht was a prerequisite, then the Rolling Stones would be yacht rock.
I got news for you, they have been yacht rock for the last decade at least. ;P
Funny thing, 'yacht rock" got reused as a short lived, neo new wave shoegaze youth thing (I think Vaurnet shirts and deck shoes with no socks came back in the bargain) like 5 years ago. I believe it just got re-absorbed into dreampop or something.
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When I was spinning records, it was just called easy listening or light rock.
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A Bird on flight in Austria ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9uvpr_gm64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef2SLZdhNrY
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Tom Hamilton may or may not have played a Thunderbird on "Sweet Emotion." This article from Gibson specifically says he did. However, in a recent interview Tom said he didn't. He has played so many different basses through the years, you never know what he's going to be playing.
http://aws2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/The-10-Coolest-Gibson-Thunderbird-Players.aspx
https://fullinbloom.com/aerosmith-tom-hamilton-interview-2019-talks-bass-vegas-residency-old-school/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwKwoU9cQ_o
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Interesting take on the Krist Novoselic Signature RD Bass. :rolleyes:
http://aws2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/The-10-Coolest-Gibson-Thunderbird-Players.aspx
• Krist Novoselic: The Gibson Ripper was Novoselic’s main bass through his years with Nirvana until he settled on the Thunderbird IV in the band’s last months. Novoselic was so enamored with the T-bird design that he celebrated the 20th anniversary of the release of Nirvana’s Nevermind by creating the Krist Novoselic Signature RD Bass with Gibson. The instrument follows the essential curves of the Thunderbird IV
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Sigh, the fate of all RDs - to be mistaken as lesser Donnervögel ...
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Sigh, the fate of all RDs - to be mistaken as lesser Donnervögel ...
Until you strap one on! :-*
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Until you strap one on! :-*
Wait , what?!
😂
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Wait , what?!
😂
BASS, Rob! Get your mind out of the gutter. Or has it never left?
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:popcorn:
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The strap-on bass, which allows you to reach those really - DEEP - notes. :-*
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The strap-on bass, which allows you to reach those really - DEEP - notes. :-*
...and high squeals...
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I like my RDs for their penetrating attack. We've always wondered here what the acronym stood for. After this learned discussion we can finally settle on Rectal Disturbance. 8)
And Mark is no less than an RD Artist. ;D
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Ideal for those brown notes.
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After this learned discussion we can finally settle on Rectal Disturbance. 8)
Another great bandname :P
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The strap-on bass, which allows you to reach those really - DEEP - notes. :-*
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/26/33/a82633c485143b60f822218771e2b151.jpg)
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I like my RDs for their penetrating attack. We've always wondered here what the acronym stood for. After this learned discussion we can finally settle on Rectal Disturbance. 8)
And Mark is no less than an RD Artist. ;D
I bow to you Sir, your sense of humor is beyond comparison. :-*
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/26/33/a82633c485143b60f822218771e2b151.jpg)
I dare not ask where Dan put the plug... :popcorn:
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Some day, all of this will get out and we will have no one to blame but us.
In the meantime, Mark has offered to bow. :mrgreen:
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/26/33/a82633c485143b60f822218771e2b151.jpg)
That's what he played with the Edgar Winter Group, right?
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Some day, all of this will get out and we will have no one to blame but us.
In the meantime, Mark has offered to bow. :mrgreen:
Does this mean the ritual can begin?
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Some day, all of this will get out and we will have no one to blame but us.
In the meantime, Mark has offered to bow. :mrgreen:
I'll drag you all down to my level of depravity, :gay:
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Hmm... puts a hole new spin on steppin' up...
Dave... can we have a double face-palm emoticon please... we need a double face-palm emoticon... where is a double face-palm emoticon when you need one...? :mrgreen:
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I'll drag you all down to my level of depravity, :gay:
Challenge accepted!
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Have I somehow missed this before...? From what I remember, Steve Fossen mostly used a Jazz, but in these he has a 'Bird...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeMvMNpvB5M&ab_channel=thebandheart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKY1wJlzqjo&ab_channel=HeartVEVO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZSTRFVbS5w&ab_channel=OutOfOrder
As a curious aside, Nancy Wilson has admitted that they borrowed the riff from this cover of a Joni Mitchell song for one of their more popular numbers after touring as a support for them... this vid also features a 'Bird...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9uvpr_gm64&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
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And who thought of that arrangement: Roger Glover! He produced Naz at the time.
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The now sadly defunct Saint Jude with two birds, one English and signing, the other a Yank Studio one ...
https://youtu.be/0wA83abW12U
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Speaking of Saint Jude and Lynne Jackaman. Here she is in 2014. There are no Thunderbirds here or any Gibsons at all. But her drummer here was once in a band with a guy who could play an EB-3 or EB-1 pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC49WB3-G6Y
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You're just posting her because she's pretty! My original post at least feigned some affiliation! I'll have none of that ulterior-motive-drenched behavior here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfORq0SXoJQ
To resurrect some semblance of pertinence from this avalanche of male hormones, here she is with a - now we're stretching it ... - Les Paul-shaped bass (from the Far East):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqxBizf1Ppw
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I had no ulterior motives at all. I've never had any ulterior motives concerning Lynne Jackaman. If I had, posting this would have been too easy. I really like this song, by the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDOqiROxHNk
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Good song. I hear the TBird on it too!
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She's got quite a last name.
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:rolleyes: Nothing is sacred here - adolescence abounds.
When Sweet decided to de-adolescentize their music from teeny bop to glam to semi-Deep Purple to semi-10cc, they attempted a waltzy duet with Mutt Lange's first wife Stevie and Steve Priest plucked his TBird to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8g5brGJaIg
Stevie, if I may say so, was quite a lass.
She had a band called "Night" with Chris Thompson (he of Manfred Mann's Earth Band) for a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kji0iO4bwMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAMv1gG4sOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my52k5X2HCY
I guess this - with its springsteenish vibe - was even a minor hit stateside?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfmURgAQlo
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Stevie wasn't just quite a lass, but also quite a singer. I wasn't surprised when I read she did a lot of vocal coaching.
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Stevie is quite a singer indeed! Never heard of her before.
If we're showing videos of pretty girls and T-birds, here's an old promo clip from 2009 from a cover band I spent some years with. Amber Tripp is her name...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN1WUi4uRkA
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Tom, why did you never tell us before that you're gay? In this day and age, it's perfectly ok.
A straight bassist could have never wrung even one note out of his instrument with Amber's waistline before him, nuff said. :popcorn:
Now don't deny it either!
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This thread is making my eyes burn.
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Stevie is quite a singer indeed! Never heard of her before.
If we're showing videos of pretty girls and T-birds, here's an old promo clip from 2009 from a cover band I spent some years with. Amber Tripp is her name...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN1WUi4uRkA
If Barbara Eden had tried to wear something like that during the days of "I Dream of Jeannie," the TV censors would have gone into overdrive.
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Tom, why did you never tell us before that you're gay? In this day and age, it's perfectly ok.
A straight bassist could have never wrung even one note out of his instrument with Amber's waistline before him, nuff said. :popcorn:
Now don't deny it either!
;D ;D Yeah, it could be distracting. We had a lot of fun on stage. Her predecessor Jessica was equally appealing both vocally and visually.
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I applaud your restraint! A man of iron self-discipline.
OTOH: Whoever wanted to date the bassist of all people?! ;D
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OTOH: Whoever wanted to date the bassist of all people?! ;D
Huh, there is no point taking the guitar player to bed after a show, he's been jerking off for an hour and a half already!
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Friggin' brilliant.
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Huh, there is no point taking the guitar player to bed after a show, he's been jerking off for an hour and a half already!
Shooting blanks.....
I must be getting old 'cause after a certain amount of times I just want to play with model trains. :-*
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Shooting blanks.....
I must be getting old 'cause after a certain amount of times I just want to play with model trains. :-*
Isn't there something about bassists and magic fingers?
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Model trains is just the type of steamy scenario Mark goes for.
Nobody knows what is really going on in these dark and damp model train cellars in Tacoma and elsewhere:
https://www.wired.com/2007/02/model-trains-ge/
https://youtu.be/l6OirxYIhkA
https://youtu.be/qAkZT_4vL_Y
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Model trains is just the type of steamy scenario Mark goes for.
Nobody knows what is really going on in these dark and damp model train cellars in Tacoma and elsewhere:
https://www.wired.com/2007/02/model-trains-ge/
https://youtu.be/l6OirxYIhkA
https://youtu.be/qAkZT_4vL_Y
Germans, so twisted at so many levels.........even with the model trains.
Girls with Gibson basses and model trains are the ones your mother told you to stay away from!
(https://i.imgur.com/t7SMzMI.jpg)
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Will we see a wedding dress too when it's
time?
There is no denying that railways and erectile projections are deeply embedded in the German psyche, you caught me on that one!
https://youtu.be/OdYPqyMuV6I
PS: For historical accuracy's sake: The Schwere Gustav/Dora-megasize gun was a waste of resources and unworkable in practice. Its aim was awful, its destructive power (when it hit something, which was rare) grossly overrated in its design phase. It was an expensive propaganda prop that saw action exactly once, during the siege of Sewastopol where it contributed zilch to the costly Wehrmacht victory in the end (after dogged resistance from the Red Army).
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Will we see a wedding dress too when it's
time?
There is no denying that railways and erectile projections are deeply embedded in the German psyche, you caught me on that one!
https://youtu.be/OdYPqyMuV6I
There will most def be dresses on the wedding day - probably not white though, I just don't wear that color very well. Erectile Projections...........Now there's a band name!
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Germans, so twisted at so many levels.........even with the model trains.
Girls with Gibson basses and model trains are the ones your mother told you to stay away from!
(https://i.imgur.com/t7SMzMI.jpg)
Well fortunately there's a lucky guy who didn't listen to his mother!
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Well fortunately there's a lucky guy who didn't listen to his mother!
It worked out that way for both of us :-*
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Mark, we can live with other colors.
Virginity just isn't you.
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Mark, we can live with other colors.
Virginity just isn't you.
At least I can still remember how I lost mine!
Autumn colors suit me best, so it may be that time of year to hith up.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9XYaEsfuU0
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When Sweet ditched trying to be Deep Purple and opted for aiming to be like 10cc instead!
I saw that particular line up (= augmented by a keyboarder and a second gitarrist) live at the time. It was a good show (they pulled those big arrangements off live), playing almost all tracks from Level Headed, the album that featured LILO, and being very light on the early hits, but you couldn't help but wonder whether Brian Connolly still felt comfortable with their new style. He didn't seem to enjoy himself nearly as much as the others. Andy Scott and Steve Priest had taken over the band for good. Unsurprisingly, Connolly was out after the Level Headed Tour.
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Good times back in the day at a very sweaty little bar in Pt. Angeles, WA - What a Thunderbird is made for!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4ludTGb5AY
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You must be bribing the guy at the mixing desk well, Mark! ;D
This is hopefully b.c., i.e. before covid 19?
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It helped that the camera is quite close to amp! That's some old video, like 7-8 years back - I miss playing so much, really don't see when we'll get back to it either.
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It helped that the camera is quite close to amp! That's some old video, like 7-8 years back - I miss playing so much, really don't see when we'll get back to it either.
Can you at least figure out a way to practice safely? I know gigs are out of the question right now.
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Sort of a music video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CfjcwrRUhI
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It helped that the camera is quite close to amp! That's some old video, like 7-8 years back - I miss playing so much, really don't see when we'll get back to it either.
Bass sounds great Mark! I miss playing too and wonder what the future holds. I've been pretty apathetic toward my music lately, which is not cool. But I do have a new covers band that's done a couple of masked rehearsals this past month, and my originals band Nomadic Horizon did an outdoor rehe recently as well.
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We've been fortunate . Three active cases in the province right now . Anyone outside the Atlantic bubble (Nfld , NB , NS and PEI) must quarantine for two weeks upon arrival , and that's kept the covid numbers down .
Bars and restaurants are open , but at reduced capacity , masks and social distancing are the new normal . Some gigs have returned , some have not . Reduced pay for some because of reduced capacity , others remain the same . I've been back doing some gigs for about two months now .
Things had been closed for over three months so it's wonderful to be hearing a bass at room levels . This could all change tomorrow , but for the time being we're on the way back to normal .
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I'm quite envious, we're clamped down here in Washington State, no large indoor events of any kind for the foreseeable future, nada. We're not rehearsing and probably won't until we reach a different phase of our planned recovery - It's a good time to just try other things musically and stay fresh, I'm also glad to put more energy towards building my model railroad, so, I got that going for me ;)
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I'm quite envious, we're clamped down here in Washington State, no large indoor events of any kind for the foreseeable future, nada. We're not rehearsing and probably won't until we reach a different phase of our planned recovery - It's a good time to just try other things musically and stay fresh, I'm also glad to put more energy towards building my model railroad, so, I got that going for me ;)
Good. You definitely don't want that not-so-fresh feeling.
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I'm plenty fresh :gay:
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I'm plenty fresh :gay:
Oh behave. :)
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"I'm also glad to put more energy towards building my model railroad, so, I got that going for me ..."
Sigh, that's exactly what I feared, no lockdown comes without repercussions for us all. They only come out at night and in their cellars.
Your diorama will feature contemporary influences, Mark?
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/miniature-figure-doll-passenger-train-station-wearing-mask-to-protect-coronavirus-covid-walking-disease-control-point-173834169.jpg)
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"I'm also glad to put more energy towards building my model railroad, so, I got that going for me ..."
Sigh, that's exactly what I feared, no lockdown comes without repercussions for us all. They only come out at night and in their cellars.
Your diorama will feature contemporary influences, Mark?
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/miniature-figure-doll-passenger-train-station-wearing-mask-to-protect-coronavirus-covid-walking-disease-control-point-173834169.jpg)
Thankfully no, I don't attempt to portray anything current. The layout will represent an area in Utah during 1976-'77, blissfully ignorant of modern elements, no graffiti or nasty trashed freight cars.......There will be random nude sunbathers and outdoor BDSM.
A bit more my speed - slow :-*
(https://i.imgur.com/xhmqToP.jpg)
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Lots of cool Thunderbirds and other cool basses in this video
https://youtu.be/6jiw0NnZgvw
Nice song and best vid ever. To sum it up: "I have tons of vintage Gibsons but 80% of the time I prefer playing my '72 Ric" :mrgreen:
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The Motors were the offspring of the English pub rock band Duck de Luxe. Here they are, from -77 I'd guess. Whether that white T-bird is a 60's one, or from -76, I can't tell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caDlnvqZCh0
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The Motors were the offspring of the English pub rock band Duck de Luxe. Here they are, from -77 I'd guess. Whether that white T-bird is a 60's one, or from -76, I can't tell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caDlnvqZCh0
Almost positive it's a bicentennial. Pretty sure that's a 3-point bridge and bicentennial pickguard logo.
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It is definitely a Bicentennial.
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And it definitely sounds like a BCR song too. :mrgreen: Not that I dislike(d) the Rollers.
The Motors, much hyped at the time in the rock mags (they had some punk credibility though they weren't), sounded completely different with every single. They started as a poor man's Status Quo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8X1EKyhLHw
and progressed to something more 10cc'ish ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAN-LvFOGus
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Each time I hear that song Airport, I have to chuckle.
It brings back memories of a tour that we did with my former band Bittermoon. We had become good friends with Rob Lamothe (then ex-Riverdogs) who contributed on our album One Good Eye. And we did a few tours as his band, playing his songs and a few Bittermoon songs.
When we were putting dates together for our second tour, we got an email from Søren Lindberg, who was personal manager for Brian Robertson (ex-Thin Lizzy, -Motorhead, -Frankie Miller). He told us Robbo woud like to join us on the tour with Lamothe, since he was a huge fan of Rob.
I couldn't believe it; the guy who had been in the classic line -up of my all time favorite band, who played the iconic solo on the live version of Still In Love With You, wanted to make music with us?!
But it happened. He showed up. And he joined us on stage on that tour.
Now Robbo is a character, Very funny Scotsman with a temper. Full of rock n roll anecdotes.
And he was thirsty. Very thirsty...
What does this have to do with Airport?
Well Søren and Robbo preferred to travel in my oldtimer 1968 Mercedes 250 in stead of the band bus. When we drove off after each gig, they sat on the back seat and Floor and I sat in the front seats.
And the two kept yapping about collegue rockers in true Statler and Waldorf style. But because Robbo drank so much we had to stop quite often, so he could jump out and take a leak.
Robbo had his own way of letting us know it was time to stop again. Each time his bladder gave a signal, Robbo started humming the melody of that song and instead of "Airport" he sang "Pit stop"
Pit stop, tada-dada dada. Pit stop tada-dada dada. :mrgreen:
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Thank you for leaking that to us.
I didn't know you were in Thin Lizzy! That explains everything. :mrgreen:
I saw him with Motörhead (colorful new wave T-shirt, jogging pants and hair dyed red, I'm not sure he had inhaled the Motörhead dress code, other substances perhaps, but he played well) and - at the same festival - encoring with Thin Lizzy. I believe that was their last gig ever, Lynott and Gorham were finished as regards their live gig stamina. And there was a distinct feel of "phew, I'm glad I didn't have to go out with them like this" about Robbo, though he retained grace about it. Sykes, of course, acted like he was the most important lead guitarist Thin Lizzy EVER had, but then he does/did that in every band he plays/played. Gorham was probably craving to shoot up backstage once more, he seemed miserable.
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But it happened. He showed up. And he joined us on stage on that tour.
Now Robbo is a character, Very funny Scotsman with a temper. Full of rock n roll anecdotes.
And he was thirsty. Very thirsty...
That is equal parts cool and funny!
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Oh yes, Robbo always went against the grain. If the Motörhead uniform was long hair, black leather and bullet belts, he cut his hair, wore jogging pants and a sweatband.
He even refused to play Eddie Clarke era songs.
When he toured with us he wore skintight black latex pants and on his feet glossy black flip-flops! Mind you, it was mid winter :mrgreen:
One night when we drove back from our gig in Purmerend, the weather conditions got worse with every kilometer that we drove south, back to Arnhem.
It was freezing and when we got near Amsterdam the road conditions got really dangerous. The asphalt had turned into black ice and we saw an increasing number of cars that had slipped off the highway and parked themselves into a ditch or guardrail.
Despite the fact that I had slowed down the speed of our Mercedes considerably, we also got in a spin at a certain moment. We made a 360 pirouette on the tarmac and when the car came to a halt we were two inches away from another crashed car with a traffic sign planted in the front windshield.
Robbo and Søren were still quite cheerful in the back... Nobody was hurt, the car was not damaged.
After I had gotten over the anxiety of a near fatal accident I tried to drive the car back onto the asphalt to continue our journey home.
But the wheels kept slipping in the snow and the frozen mud of the side verge.
So we had to push the car back on the road. Floor got behind the steering wheel and Søren, Robbo and myself had to push the big old Mercedes out of the snow.
Imagine the legendary Robbo with his skintight latex pants and his Gucci flip-flops, out in the winter night, slipping and sliding, freezing his toes off, swearing and cursing in his beautiful Scottish accent... :mrgreen:
That must have been one of the most surreal, funny and the same time scary moments in my whole life.
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Nobody , but nobody can complain like the Scots . They've elevated it way beyond a mere art form .
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:mrgreen:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGRcJQ9tMbY
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:mrgreen: :toast:
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Aye, that wee SNL doodad is a HOOT!!
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:mrgreen: :toast:
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
The SNL skit isn't exactly Thunderbird-related--I know. But it is funny.
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Thunderbird with St. Vincent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHF6_dvovog
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Thunderbird with St. Vincent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHF6_dvovog
Wow. Those are some unexpectedly dirty guitar sounds. Nice.
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I've been looking for this vid for quite awhile, a friend shot it almost a year ago now, we're covering Peter Schilling's Major Tom. I'm playing my Lull T4 II.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5k0ZiYtSuo
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Thunderbird with St. Vincent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHF6_dvovog
What happened to you, Lizzy Boy, since when did you turn prog? :o This stuff is great.
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I was browsing for info about the St Vincent signature guitar (which I really like). And then I stumbled upon this video and spotted the Tbird. That's all Uwe, you don't have to worry about me ;-)
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Now I'm both relieved and disappointed at the same time, Rob.
But thanks for the tip, just bought a whole bunch of CDs by her. Sounds like a mix of Laurie Anderson and White Stripes.
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But I do like her style ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTg4WKcOJ3g
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I like to keep abreast of current music too.
Sigh, and I figured those De Wallen style patent leather overknees would not miss their Mark with you. Speaking of him, would he perhaps like to give a fashion comment?
Knowing how you Dutchies with your gargantuan lust never get enough, here's an encore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go1ToRZHJY4&feature=emb_rel_end
Her guitar playing reminds me of him ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oqJ0JpMj6I
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I like to keep abreast of current music too.
Sigh, and I figured those De Wallen style patent leather overknees would not miss their Mark with you. Speaking of him, would he perhaps like to give a fashion comment?
You don't think current music has gone tits up?
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No, some musical values are eternal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzzWEeiUf3Y
(I was never a Zappacolyte, but man he's missed ...)
I've never seen Bozzio with long hair. :o
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Some Thunderbird close-ups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_BwsZ98eHU
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TBird doesn't get used until Star Roving starts at 9:53, but it's visible on the stand until then. :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gliBbiCIFtM
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As we all know, the Epiphone Embassy is a T-bird in disguise. Here, in the company of a gang that seems to be on their way to a masquerade, it fits perfectly! Don't we all pity the drummer who can't join the rest of Paul Revere's Raiders for the stage show.... All right, at 1:50 anyone can join the choir with "That's what I want". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpVjYlzlarc
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Paul Revere & The Raiders were all over American TV back then.
Fang has been playing with his family band Fang & the Gang for years now but he plays a Jazz Bass these days.
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Loved those guys. Great rock sound, always upbeat and compelling sound.
I remember how delighted I was in the late 90's when I went to a meeting in Tahoe and found Paul Revere was doing his night club show there. He had the Mustang grille piano that night. I have a signed photo of that appearance.
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Loved those guys. Great rock sound, always upbeat and compelling sound.
I remember how delighted I was in the late 90's when I went to a meeting in Tahoe and found Paul Revere was doing his night club show there. He had the Mustang grille piano that night. I have a signed photo of that appearance.
Supposedly Paul kept certain distilled spirits hidden behind the Mustang front end.
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Here's a new one. Always happy to see (what looks like) a black Bicentennial. Tommy Shaw still sounds great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpaCefRQUo8
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That was cool. Shaw is one of those jerks that never seem to age much. :mrgreen: Nice that they still include Chuck. Sucherman is a monster drummer. Love that guy's playing.
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The late Mr. Pete in '95.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqeTJ_E2FEs
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just wandering through some stuff... may have been posted before but the thread would take forever to plough through... Tiran Porter with a T'Bird...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkytJLoxGmQ&ab_channel=TopPop
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Saw this recently, Chuck Garric with a sparkly silver Thunderbird; looks like maybe a Vintage Pro?
https://youtu.be/b2G7N7QeEj0
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Looks like it... you can see a fairly good view of the head mid-way through... Certainly looks like this is one in this vid and you can clearly see the two-part bridge and tail in this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXM9o_5D508&ab_channel=iZa
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That one looks plain white to me. Not silver sparkle...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G--zFmdLOs
I put down scratch drums and the bass line for this months ago (with plans to do a quarantine video at some point). Then after Syl died last week, I got the other guys in my band to do their parts over the weekend (including using a drummer from Fiverr who sounded like he'd do a good job). It's obvious I recorded my part months ago because I couldn't even get the (mimed) bass part right! Well, it's only rock and roll, right? BTW, that's my Greco. Hoping it'll be alright in here. :mrgreen:
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That's lovely, you power pop senior citizen!
:toast:
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Thank you, Uwe!
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That was cool. Shaw is one of those jerks that never seem to age much. :mrgreen: Nice that they still include Chuck. Sucherman is a monster drummer. Love that guy's playing.
Chuck went down in history for his quippy answer to the question why he was playing a Ric (followed by an Alembic) rather than a Fender: "Because I want to be heard."
I always liked his bass playing, very "Germanic" in how structured it was.
That was a Shaw rather than a DeYoung tune, but I still miss Dennis' Barry Manilow looks (and sometimes songwriting style!). He was such an integral part. I used to make fun of his Broadway musical type voice, but it gave them a lot of identity.
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I still miss Dennis' Barry Manilow looks (and sometimes songwriting style!). He was such an integral part. I used to make fun of his Broadway musical type voice, but it gave them a lot of identity.
I've developed a greater appreciation for Mr. DeYoung in my older years. He was the one that made them. And he still sounds amazing today. Also, his keyboard playing never seems to get a mention. Very good player and he used good sounds.
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From his new solo album, declared by him to be his last ...
https://youtu.be/e2ayQyPF-18
https://youtu.be/9ezG38Iirqg
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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but there's a quick glimpse of a Thunderbird at 2:34.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh3t49NsWBA
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This one was a pure surprise! A little bit funny, and... ehrrrmm.. a litte bit embarrasing. For our kind of people...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG0-X8yDZ8c
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Good stuff. Made my morning, thank you. Nice sounding bird too. Wonder how he ended up with the upside down truss rod cover?
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Here's our Hero. Terry Slater. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk00nbfu441kRv7FeFw0Ng-CEIiz_6g%3A1612368614175&ei=5soaYOGdCsPMrgT7p5roDA&q=terry+slater+bass&oq=terry+slater+bass&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIGCAAQFhAeOgkIABCwAxAHEB46BQgAELADOgcIABCwAxAeOgkIABCwAxAKEB46CAguEMsBEJMCOgUIABDLAToFCC4QywFQ5IABWPGHAWCFjQFoAXAAeACAAdIBiAG1BZIBBTQuMS4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBCsABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjhqPqTjc7uAhVDposKHfuTBs0Q4dUDCA0&uact=5
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Looks like he added a second strap button at the neck joint, the one on the top horn isn't being used.
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Cute bit of video!
I like the comment about "no relation to Gomer Pyle." That actually fits nicely. The gent had a very expressive face.
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I believe he watched a lot of Stan Laurel. Who was a genius.
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seems like a lovely chap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRGoltsfjdM
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That was a great clip! I'm a Terry Slater fan now.
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The same goes for me! Such a nice guy! Never heard is name before I saw that clip of So sad. Which is really tru. So sad he's not more known, he ought to be!
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Never heard of him until yesterday.
I read he did make quite a name for himself in the music industry. He wrote a lot of hits for the Everly Bros. (ao Bowling Green)
I found this on Facebook:
Terry Slater (born in London, England) is an English former musician and music manager.
As young he played as a concert musician for bands like Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard and the Everly Brothers and others. After many years as a concert musician, he began in 1972 and working in the music industry commercial side, including a career in EMI in England, where he eventually finished as director in 1979. He worked with bands and artists such as Queen, Kate Bush, Sex Pistols and Duran Duran. He stopped for a while and worked independently in search of talented bands.
§Slater and a-ha [edit | edit source]
Slater was the one who "discovered" the Norwegian pop band a-ha, and is often called "the fourth member of a-ha." With his long experience in the music industry, he became the band's first manager, and played a vital role in the history of a-ha. Along with John Ratcliff, he founded the company TJ Management to take care of a-ha.
Cooperation ended after the album Memorial Beach from 1993. At Minor Earth Major Sky from 2000, the band's first album after a seven-year break, it was Brian Lane and his Bandana Management which accounted for Management.
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Yes, Terry is a household name for us up here!
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Never heard of him until yesterday.
I read he did make quite a name for himself in the music industry. He wrote a lot of hits for the Everly Bros. (ao Bowling Green)
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FYI, Bowling Green was co-written by Jackie Ertel Everly, who was married to Phil at the time. She's the daughter of Janet Ertel of the Chordettes and stepdaughter of Archie Bleyer, who was an orchestra leader and founder/owner of Cadence Records, whose two featured artists were the Everlys and the Chordettes. Keeping it in the family.
In Link Wray's almost certainly fictional account, it was Jackie who convinced her stepfather to issue Rumble.
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Who would have thought! The Cure playing my favorite Thin Lizzy song.
Robert Smith even plays the solo pretty accurate.
And there's a Thunderbird.
What's not to like? 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfDrj2CWAcQ
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:o Wow! That's as unexpected as Page & Plant doing a Cure song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr_wVkbot5g
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:o Wow! That's as unexpected as Page & Plant doing a Cure song.
:o No doubt!
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Heritage Cherry 64' Thunderbird from Norm's. Would that be a factory original finish?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gU4jhyMxR8
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I have serious doubts that a cherry fin (of all fins) would retain that much red pigment over the course of 57 years - not impossible, but highly unlikely. I've seen how vintage cherry has faded over a 15 year period in my office - with very little UV.
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I have serious doubts that a cherry fin (of all fins) would retain that much red pigment over the course of 57 years - not impossible, but highly unlikely. I've seen how vintage cherry has faded over a 15 year period in my office - with very little UV.
Are you expecting sympathy for not having lost your virginity?
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I have serious doubts that a cherry fin (of all fins) would retain that much red pigment over the course of 57 years - not impossible, but highly unlikely. I've seen how vintage cherry has faded over a 15 year period in my office - with very little UV.
So it's just the UWE exposure it reacts to?
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He does mention he kept it in a case for 25 years. Not much UV going on in a closed case I'd say.
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:o Wow! That's as unexpected as Page & Plant doing a Cure song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr_wVkbot5g
Not really - the Cure's guitarist was their hired gun on that tour. I was mid high school at the time and a friend tried rope me into it on that bassis (I might have but the ticket prices; yikes). The Cure album at the time (Wish - don't judge it by the single Friday I'm in Love) has amazing guitarwork on it. One of their best albums IMHO (in my top 3 anyway). Very not Zep, for sure.
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Not really - the Cure's guitarist was their hired gun on that tour.
Yeah, I'm aware of that, but still pretty shocking to me. 8)
I once had a bootleg video of their Milwaukee show ('95 I think). Page did not look good, and at one point, he had a strand of drool over a foot long hanging from his chin. :P
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LOL yeah sorry I didn't watch the vid before I posted, didn't realise he introduces him right off the bat, but that's a very classic rock thing to do - play a song buy the dude from another group that's with you on stage. Not sure what other cure song would be more 'them' - this has got that iconic lead line. Surprised Jimmy didn't pull out the violin bow or generally fill up a bit more space - he's just standing around a lot of the time. Whole note pads are beneath him I guess, but like crazy feedbacky sustain was (one of ) his thing(s) and it really coulda worked here.
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Yeah, I'm aware of that, but still pretty shocking to me. 8)
I once had a bootleg video of their Milwaukee show ('95 I think). Page did not look good, and at one point, he had a strand of drool over a foot long hanging from his chin. :P
Maybe the drooling can be a guitarist thing sometimes. I was in a band with a guitarist who often did that. It wasn't because of drugs or alcohol. I don't think he ever did those. I attributed it to him being lost in concentration. It was weird, but I just kept my distance.
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But Friday I'm in Love is my favorite Cure song, Jake! It sounds like The Darkness before The Darkness were invented.
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It's not a bad song at all, but the point is rather that it's the only happy/camp/jangly/accoustic/up tempo/radio friendly number on the entire record; totally unrepresentative of the album. I love the whole damn thing. Probably their last great album (nobody asked but their alltime best top 3 according to me are Boys Don't Cry/3 Imaginary Boys, depending where you live, Disintegration, and Wish; I like to get into fights with hipsters over not including Pornography and candy goths for exluding Head on the Door, both good records, but not as much of a solid full listen-through).
Comparing it to The Darkness seems a bit of a stretch even if Smith was bringing back his yodel/yeowl on that one. He runs his vocal chords on a low gain setting. I don't think he can even push any harder judging by his thoroughly cringey performance in that recent Gorillaz collab.
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The Darkness owe a lot to The Cure and Justin Hawkins is the first to admit it. Ignore the crunchy guitars, the Queen/Thin Lizzy type harmony guitars and his falsetto exploits, their melodies are often straight from the Cure songwriting manual - and so is his vocal delivery, he must have listened to more Robert Smith than Robert Plant as a teenager.
https://youtu.be/enJiLuH9YUA
https://youtu.be/QSGa1dW_KoE
And I wouldn't be surprised if Friday I'm in Love was on their mind when they wrote this:
https://youtu.be/O4KzyRttAts
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Delivery? He's got more in common with Morrissey (shoehorning in too many syllables on every nth line... OK Smith did that a few times, but only in his silly happy moments, and not so egregiously - not as many extra syllables and like 1 line max per song). 1 way ticket is typical hair metal melody; I don't hear it; his cadence/pacing/flow is nothing like Robert's. ... OK, I will grant you the chorus of Friday Night is pretty Smithish. If anything he takes from a very specific Cure era, the happy pop of Head on the Door +/- the few records around it. Which was as bubbly, whimsical, and emphatic as Smith ever got.
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I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I was thinking, if you started a Cure cover band shouldn't it be called placebo? :rimshot:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo_(band)
They were pretty big for a bit. Still have a following.
Also, a Cannuk TV joke from the height of the Cure's mainstream fame (late 80s/early 90s):
(http://basementrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/degrassi-junior-high-season-1-13-revolution-the-zit-remedy-everybody-wants-something-joey-snake-wheels-neil-hope-pat-mastroianni-stefan-brogren-review-episode-guide-list.jpg)
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I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I was thinking, if you started a Cure cover band shouldn't it be called placebo? :rimshot:
Or "The Illness"? "Bob & His Medical Conditions"?
Placebo as a band already exists:
https://youtu.be/3hTFcwdyWX4
https://youtu.be/WO9ewCO7TYI
Most pertinent here, their bassist often plays TBirds (as does the one from The Darkness, so we're not even off-track):
https://youtu.be/x7mOxdEDNn8
Needless to say, Jake likes Placebo too, that groundless, yet pronounced discontent and Weltschmerz over chugging new-wavish guitars is right up his aleja, it's that deeply embedded Slavic melancholy in him.
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And to startle you further, Jake, I'm no great fan of The Smiths, but I really like Morrissey! 8)
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Ha, real bands called Placebo. Nothing new under the sun it seems.
Regarding the Cure and Morrissey, Bowie liked them both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_er_l9cXViI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_ReNp0G4g4
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Me and a '76, wrecking Al Stewart's "On the Border"
https://youtu.be/wN9Yy9fVTLY
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Nice job. Is that just the camera/phone mic picking up the signal? There's some folks making nice sounding vids on youtube. Might be worth looking into to get a better sound for more accurate playing critique if that's what you're after. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:
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Nice job. Is that just the camera/phone mic picking up the signal? There's some folks making nice sounding vids on youtube. Might be worth looking into to get a better sound for more accurate playing critique if that's what you're after. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:
Thanks, that's actually the first time I've recorded both music and my bass playing together so the was the test, next time I'll probably do some volume adjustments on both before putting the results on YT.
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Me and a '76, wrecking Al Stewart's "On the Border"
https://youtu.be/wN9Yy9fVTLY
The Nasty Habits do Yacht Rock now? The mind boggles ... What's next, Tubular Bells?!
Come to think of it, Tubular Belles would be good band name.
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The Nasty Habits do Yacht Rock now? The mind boggles ... What's next, Tubular Bells?!
Come to think of it, Tubular Belles would be good band name.
Oh hell no to yacht rock (tho I've never thought of Al Stewart as such!) , but it's been over a year since we've played a show and this was a fun exercise that doesn't involve TNH's set list. We're going to audition a new singer when things get a bit safer for all involved, right now I'm the member that has both shots and Washington State will be slow to allow indoor music, maybe by Halloween?
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Nice. Good tune, good bass line, good playing. All good! ;D
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Good silhouette too :mrgreen:
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https://youtu.be/0thnAQKadpo
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... We're going to audition a new singer when things get a bit safer for all involved...
Your singer (Jackie?) has moved on...?
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Yeah, what happened to her?
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We had what I would call some pretty serious differences, we found that she was participating in what I would call alt-right hate groups (yes, think crooked crosses) and we dumped her on the spot. No room in my band or any part of my life for that.
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We had what I would call some pretty serious differences, we found that she was participating in what I would call alt-right hate groups (yes, think crooked crosses) and we dumped her on the spot. No room in my band or any part of my life for that.
Wait, what? It seems so antithetical to the core values of the band. Is she trans?
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Yes she is, but I can't explain how she rationalizes such matters, line in the sand for me. She's lucky I let get her gear out of my house in one piece.
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That's highly surprising, considering... :o
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Seems like there must be a lot of cognitive dissonance there - or at least you would hope there is.
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I really find it incomprehensible. So sorry, Veronica.
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That reminds me of that documentary of a KKK guy who was a rabid Hendrix fan (and guitarist himself) and had his whole house decorated with either Hendrix memorabilia or Klan Krap. He didn't see a disconnect at all. In his mind, Hendrix wasn't black. :o
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That reminds me of that documentary of a KKK guy who was a rabid Hendrix fan (and guitarist himself) and had his whole house decorated with either Hendrix memorabilia or Klan Krap. He didn't see a disconnect at all. In his mind, Hendrix wasn't black. :o
Too bad this forum doesn't have the upside down smiley. It would be perfect for that.
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Moving on to nicer things, Jim Lea with a TBird is a rare sight, but here he is in the vid to Slade's last single before calling it a day. Noddy Holder is already relegated to only singing the chorus with Jim doing the verse. It sounds a bit like something Def Leppard would do.
No doubt, Scott will wish to thank me for this. 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9gtV-X7Rx8
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That reminds me of that documentary of a KKK guy who was a rabid Hendrix fan (and guitarist himself) and had his whole house decorated with either Hendrix memorabilia or Klan Krap. He didn't see a disconnect at all. In his mind, Hendrix wasn't black. :o
I guess he had never heard the story of Hendrix once being chased across a field by some white guys just because he was black. If I'm not mistaken, Billy Cox told that story.
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Moving on to nicer things, Jim Lea with a TBird is a rare sight, but here he is in the vid to Slade's last single before calling it a day. Noddy Holder is already relegated to only singing the chorus with Jim doing the verse. It sounds a bit like something Def Leppard would do.
No doubt, Scott will wish to thank me for this. 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9gtV-X7Rx8
I'm thanking you for it - Having never heard it before, of course I like it - it's SLADE!
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It was Slade's last attempt to crack Yank charts - at a time when they had already stopped being a touring entity due to both Lea and Holder having become road weary after 20 years of constant touring (and repeated failed attempts to break through in the States). And although it is tuneful and catchy, I wouldn't rank it among Jim Lea's more natural compositions, it's very "hit from the construction kit" (that is also why it sounds so Def Leppard'ish), a bit desperate. It went nowhere.
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It's so not like Slade, the bass isn't anything like what J. Lea is known for, letting him sing the majority of song, in some ways it's simplicity. I think they'd have had better fortune staying in the UK and just being true to themselves, likely their style would have evolved but maybe in a more natural fashion rather than something forced. Had they become more simplistic in the vein of ACDC who knows where they could have gone?
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Jim has a very nice, almost Brit Pop voice, but of course it can't compare with Noddy's "fog horn" (yet tuneful) in its prime.
https://youtu.be/5Y1gz9uWL7w
Here he's all beatlish (always a big influence in his writing):
https://youtu.be/SsjepuCRfVw
I'd love to hear Noddy unplugged, he could still do that.
https://youtu.be/00f0Bf83PAc
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That Slade tune reminded me of this flash in the pan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8CcTYsMHYU
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Moving on to nicer things, Jim Lea with a TBird is a rare sight, but here he is in the vid to Slade's last single before calling it a day. Noddy Holder is already relegated to only singing the chorus with Jim doing the verse. It sounds a bit like something Def Leppard would do.
No doubt, Scott will wish to thank me for this. 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9gtV-X7Rx8
Was it a band politics thing, or Jim wrote it so he wanted to sing it. cuz, like, Noddy still has it. Though it does sound like a bunch of stacked vocal takes (which is totally my jam). The production differential between them is kinda funny. Also Jim sounds a little constipated, but it's the way he's trying to ape Noddy's schtick probably. ... wikipedia says it was originally a Jim solo track that he had already mostly recorded before Polydor asked them to reunite to record 2 promo singles for the greatest hits compilation they were about to release; their contract expired in 87 and they went on hiatus after that. So Noddy was coming in to a near done record and added backups.
Also, I'm not sure the word "relegated' works when you get to sing the chorus; that's usually the money hook.
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Me, my Studio and I, wrecking some Toto...... :gay:
https://youtu.be/2z52HVXlTho?list=RD2z52HVXlTho
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Dang, Mark, you really lay it down! That's right on the money. :toast:
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Thanks Al, I'm just trying to keep what few chops I have together!
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Excellent! And thanks for not making it Rosanna or Africa. ;D
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Excellent! And thanks for not making it Rosanna or Africa. ;D
No problem there! Idle hands = Satan's workshop.......Sorry Uwe!
https://youtu.be/G4g6zRFc86w
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Why should I take issue when young girls play along so skillfully to old DP tunes? It's to be applauded!!!
I never do. Play along to DP, I mean. "Knowing how it goes" robs me of the magic. I'm not worthy. I don't know more than, say, five DP tunes from start to finish on bass, probably less. I play along to the Stones all the time, to an extent that some Bill Wyman has begun rubbing off on me.
I'm regressing fast. I used to be this kid with a highly aggressive clanky, bi-amped sound with Hartke speakers playing Kramers, Rics and Kubickis with fresh roundwounds straight out of the package, and now look at me, I currently play a 60 year old short scale
banjo tuner LP Junior to songs like "You Can't Always Get What You Want" (all three chords!) - the TV yellow one (now 'ere's a story to be told re the origins of that particular fin ...) Dave procured for me many moons ago - with a decade-old set of flatwounds over an Orange combo that is mostly only barking mids over 12 Inch speakers ... ;D My bandmates go: "Can't you add more treble?" And I say: "That train left the station like 25 years ago ...".
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Excellent! And thanks for not making it Rosanna or Africa. ;D
"Africa" is 21 on this "Dad Rock" list. I don't mind the song, although I like "Hold the Line" better. A good cover up above by Mark, too.
https://www.ajournalofmusicalthings.com/how-do-you-feel-about-this-cd-collection-called-dad-rock-i-guess-it-depends-on-how-old-you-feel/
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As someone fully eligible (and even past eligible) for being a dad rock guy...and possibly eligible for granddad rock status....
I think Africa is a beautiful, haunting piece. It has a rare gentle quality and a memorable sound.
It may have been overplayed, but that doesn't mean it's not a really good performance and tune.
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Thank you Uwe, I thought covering the DP might be a bit of an invasion of things you hold dear!
Well, with your band you're playing just Stones tunes if I recall, I'd be all over a shorty for that kind of project as well - I still want an EB3 someday as I think it would sound great through a more contemporary rig - doubtful there will be much clank!
I'm really looking at '64-'65 Thunderbird IIs, it may actually happen soon.
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Why should I take issue when young girls play along so skillfully to old DP tunes? It's to be applauded!!!
I never do. Play along to DP, I mean. "Knowing how it goes" robs me of the magic. I'm not worthy. I don't know more than, say, five DP tunes from start to finish on bass, probably less. I play along to the Stones all the time, to an extent that some Bill Wyman has begun rubbing off on me.
I'm regressing fast. I used to be this kid with a highly aggressive clanky, bi-amped sound with Hartke speakers playing Kramers, Rics and Kubickis with fresh roundwounds straight out of the package, and now look at me, I currently play a 60 year old short scale
banjo tuner LP Junior to songs like "You Can't Always Get What You Want" (all three chords!) - the TV yellow one (now 'ere's a story to be told re the origins of that particular fin ...) Dave procured for me many moons ago - with a decade-old set of flatwounds over an Orange combo that is mostly only barking mids over 12 Inch speakers ... ;D My bandmates go: "Can't you add more treble?" And I say: "That train left the station like 25 years ago ...".
There is a bassist I talk to sometimes online. He talks about how he keeps getting better all the time. I can't identify with that. I identify more with the regressing fast thing. A bass like that would be a nice bass to regress with, though.
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As someone fully eligible (and even past eligible) for being a dad rock guy...and possibly eligible for granddad rock status....
I think Africa is a beautiful, haunting piece. It has a rare gentle quality and a memorable sound.
It may have been overplayed, but that doesn't mean it's not a really good performance and tune.
The "Africa" video itself was good, too, IMO. It competed well against all those other videos on MTV at the time.
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You can't blame people for being fine musicians. And Toto were/are. Yes, I know it's not sweaty club rock'n'roll (which I like too), but it's beautifully crafted music in the best sense of the word. And both Rosanna and Africa have a certain light-handedness without ever sounding wimpy.
I've seen Toto live, are they a captivating live act oozing charisma? Nope. But if there is just a little bit of musician still in you, you gladly watch them going about their work. It's musical as opposed to athletic (Dream Theater comes to mind, not that they have their audience too).
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The Greco Thunderbird II, monster of a bass.
https://youtu.be/oaOEEXXHuCA
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Dan Hartman's bass suit. Cost 5k if I remember correctly the wiring and batteries were problematic. I remember him describing how he said he could feel the bass notes in the gut. Also remember him saying it suffered tonally due to lack of body masss. On a side not I saw the EWG with Rick Derringer in '73 great show though no body suit just a P bass if I recall.
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Some recent gig video my beat '66 through my Terror Bass rig. I am covering the piano interlude in Ready for Love. Sorry it's so short, honestly I just happy someone actually caught it. https://youtube.com/shorts/27EmELJ0jfM?feature=share
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Good Bad Co groove!
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Good Bad Co groove!
Thanks Uwe! My Zeppelin tribute opens with a set of Bad Co., makes gig much easier and we get all the $ Also gives me a chance to play my fretless 7ender Precision, sacrilege I know. ;) https://www.facebook.com/389554008272615/videos/3061371493974477/
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sounds great Scott!
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More of the little monster with a pick.......
https://youtu.be/gcywkApaBnU
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Sweet tone. Did you change up the signal chain? Seems better. Interesting that it looks like your up stroking the downbeats on the pumping eighths.
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Sweet tone. Did you change up the signal chain? Seems better. Interesting that it looks like your up stroking the downbeats on the pumping eighths.
No change in the signal chain which is; Thunderbird>cable>GK700RBII>SWR6x10. No toys of any kind in either video, however it's important to note that the pickup in that bass is so hot I have to engage the -10db pad just to keep it at a recordable level, otherwise I'd be blowing up the iphone's ability to record. Furthermore while it does an ok job of recording, it's not the best device to try to really capture what a bass guitar actually sounds like, complicated further by Youtube's compression of the sound file as well.
Regarding the picking, I'm just just doing down and up strokes, honestly I should have stood up to play the demo as I would likely have played the song much better and down stroked only to give it the ferocity it really needs.
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Tony Sales, later of the criminally underrated Tin Machine with THAT SINGER, playing some Cold Metal with Hot Mahogany!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv6zjxL37Xo
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I remember reading about Andy McCoy playing with Iggy, but I never saw them. I'm guessing that they're miming to a playback track here just because it sounds so good. Nice to see evidence that it really happened!
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But it's not the studio cut
https://youtu.be/mLnL1-7lvVE
that had Steve Jones play the riff in a more monolithic fashion (Andy McCoy has more of a Keith Richards groove). The bass is different too (as is Iggy's vocal) and it's quite a bit faster. So if it is indeed pre-recorded, then this line-up must have done it und lip-synched it very well.
I'm no Iggy or Steve Jones biographer, but my understanding is that while Steve Jones played the guitar on Iggy's 1988 Instinct album (unjustly derided as an "LA Metal album" at the time) and did the odd TV appearance
https://youtu.be/usge4p_PlUI
(that's him with the Les Paul on the right, long curly hair and all),
he didn't do the ensuing tour where the little Finn took his place.
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it's live as far as I can tell
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Tony Sales, later of the criminally underrated Tin Machine with THAT SINGER, playing some Cold Metal with Hot Mahogany!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv6zjxL37Xo
Wow, I like this a lot more than the studio version. I was never much of a Stones fan, but sometimes I love that kind of groove. Very rock and roll!
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I'm no Iggy or Steve Jones biographer, but my understanding is that while Steve Jones played the guitar on Iggy's 1988 Instinct album (unjustly derided as an "LA Metal album" at the time) and did the odd TV appearance
https://youtu.be/usge4p_PlUI
(that's him with the Les Paul on the right, long curly hair and all),
How can you even tell that's him? The few shots of face are kinda indistinct and the body language is kinda wrong or not his usual thing anyway. He did have long wavy hair at the time but so did everyone else in LA. I know it says in the youtube caption, but that's hardly reliable (could just assume due to the album credit). I can barely hear his guitar over the other dude (also weird) so can't be sure that way either.
But yeah that first vid ya posted feels live to me.
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Hey Punk, I have - unlike you probably - his two LA Metal solo albums from around that same time. He sounds und looks there, the Paula low-slung, exactly the same.
https://youtu.be/Q6nSud23dHs
And then his solo in the middle of Iggy's Cold Metal? Typical for him.
I know it's hard for ya, a (S)Ex-Pistol playing with washed up 70ies has-beens ... You doubt that he plays and sings (the second verse) here too?
https://youtu.be/xS-lbCFFZk4
With the lead singer from this renowned Punk outfit, produced by Ian Paice of whatchamacallit, can it get any worse really?
https://youtu.be/MACVaU-2whQ
Remember, I was devouring the NME and listening to Brit Punk when you weren't even born! :rimshot:
Honorary mention of what Michael Des Barres did as well ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMvD9sFzXf4&list=RDYMvD9sFzXf4&start_radio=1&rv=YMvD9sFzXf4&t=72
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxLsqzEFneA
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Powerstation without Robert Palmer made no sense at all (to me at least it didn't)
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Powerstation without Robert Palmer made no sense at all (to me at least it didn't)
True here too!
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To be fair: Palmer didn't like to tour, was highly uncomfortable on stage and couldn't envisage himself fronting a rock circus like Power Station would have been. He preferred being in the studio and creating.
Des Barres wasn't in the same league vocally, with his slightly nasty glam rock blare he is a one trick pony. But he relished being on stage, extrovert he was/is. And I think he did well on the T. Rex cover because he comes from that same glam rock school. He actually emulates Bolan more than Palmer did who was around the time of T. Rextasy in blues and soul outfit Vinegar Joe together with Elkie Brooks and most likely deemed T. Rex a load of teeny bopper fodder. He had the status of rhythm guitarist und second lead vocals there, but with a force of nature like Elkie and her then still very expressive late 60ies vocal style (Janis Joplin beckons) he had a hard time getting across.
https://youtu.be/3G51tmiwMlk
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Robert Palmer was a genius who had the talent to excell in any style of music he wanted to play.
I'm quite sure he had absolutely no desire to emulate Bolan.
His live performances were as impressive as his studio albums.
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Sorry if this has been posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIaeVzDgYMQ
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Not this particular track, no, but would we complain if it was a repeat?
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Not this particular track, no, but would we complain if it was a repeat?
Definitely not I.
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Robert Palmer was a genius who had the talent to excell in any style of music he wanted to play.
I'm quite sure he had absolutely no desire to emulate Bolan.
His live performances were as impressive as his studio albums.
His singing live was excellent, no doubt, but he wasn't comfortable with putting on a performance.
https://youtu.be/0ArWK_9zP5U
Not everybody has to, but the Power Station's music wasn't exactly cerebral or deeply emotive, it was essentially a soundtrack to move your butt to - with some snazzy guitar.
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In front of a camera for a video shoot he meant.
He was pretty confident with a microphone fronting a band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg_nlH5N96k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwCHFaarTjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdPWp_UbOJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT8w5UEYLOI
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Robert Palmer was a genius who had the talent to excell in any style of music he wanted to play.
I'm quite sure he had absolutely no desire to emulate Bolan.
His live performances were as impressive as his studio albums.
When I was a young teen and almost exclusively into Sabbath, Alice Cooper, KISS, etc., I somehow discovered Robert Palmer and was immediately hooked. His eclectic style and quirky choices meant you could never tell what you might hear the first time you played one of his records. I loved that. As much as I loved that first Power Station album, I couldn't help but think it was a step down from him, and it bummed me out that his next few albums seemed to take some (but luckily not all) of its cues from that album.
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I really like the second Powerstation album too. Very heavy.
Robert Palmer was a huge fan of Kings X, as you can hear in the title track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V00erhLAz3M
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Mr.Palmer, always a fave - there's just something very likeable and appealing - simply irresistible!
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I liked that long forgotten (undeservedly so) second Power Station album too, but if we look at the tour performances at the time, can we then perhaps agree, Rob, that Palmer wasn't exactly a rock frontman forcefully projecting his image to even the last row in a stadium? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZxJ0pt8c9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a47MakNSAV4
Phil Lynott or Joyce Kennedy he wasn't, if you know what I mean. And I think his closing sentence in that video clip that even camera work is "easier than a nine month tour" for him, is very telling. He wasn't cut out for that and he toured very little in his life. Had he been part of a David Bowie type tour circus, I believe his music would have been even more popular.
As regards the Power Station episode, he did not seem particularly fond of it.
http://robert-palmer.over-blog.com/article-vinegar-joe-us-tour-1973-62539196.html
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can we then perhaps agree, Rob, that Palmer wasn't exactly a rock frontman forcefully projecting his image to even the last row in a stadium? ;)
Sigh... not by your standards of leather clad men entering the stage on a Harley, No.
Palmer had swagger that came across any room he walked in. An understated coolness. He certainly did't need to do all the rock star poses to prove he was the man in charge.
That slot at Tineke 1996 would have made any bonafide musician feel uncomfortable. It was an early afternoon coffee/gossip show watched by bored housewives.
Bernard Edwards had just died a few days before. That is the reason there was no bass player in that tv performance. Plus they were jet lagged out of their minds there.
The fact that touring was exhausting to him, doesn't mean he didn't like to perform.
The interview about the PowerStation is from 1985. 11 Years before the second album.
He really liked the second album. But it was an ill fated project because of the unexpected death of Bernard Edwards.
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Well, John Taylor, who was pivotal to Power Station too, had bowed out for the second album, not a good sign. This with all due respect to the late great Bernard Edwards (one of John Taylor's role models).
But you're right, stage entry on a Harley-Davidson with a bullwhip between his teeth would have been something! "Rob Palmer, the Nassau God" sounds better too ...
"Brrrrreaking the ... best of both worlds!!!"
(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/music/2020/09/14/TELEMMGLPICT000238373165_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqhwnn9UO6l6rK-oOdDNMaKSHByMUTnD0fji6viHlVwc8.jpeg)
Make room for a natural-born charismatic frontman!
Honorary mention of Bernard Edwards, here he is at his last gig (he already wasn't feeling well during the gig and died immediately after in his hotel room), there were bass drop outs already as Bernard would lose consciousness, he was unaware that he was practically dying on stage from pneumonia that had not been treated. :-\
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaFVVqluatM
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Sorta. Thunderbird spotted in Lydia Lunch documentary trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPY6KcebFks
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I had no idea they were making that - sweet.
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Some fun with my Lull T4.
https://youtu.be/LPbuN1UYcEU
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Nice. That is a fun bassline.
Not so sure about the open toed shoes though ;P
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Nice playing. Dang, it's fun to listen to you play that.
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Immaculate waxing too.
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Thanks Al!
How I'd love a good waxing! :gay:
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Mark, if your band ever needs a name change, "Immaculate Wax" suggests itself.....
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Mark, if your band ever needs a name change, "Immaculate Wax" suggests itself.....
I'm considering "Non Dairy Creamer" what do you think? Too gay :gay:
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I'm considering "Non Dairy Creamer" what do you think? Too gay :gay:
Only if you never play coffee bars. ;)
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I'm considering "Non Dairy Creamer" what do you think? Too gay :gay:
Change it to 'Creampie' and it sounds automatically more hetero, easy, yet retains a certain tongue-out-of-cheek attraction for more alternatively inclined life styles. It's universally popular.
(https://www.bakefromscratch.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Coconut-Banana-Creme_0176_Reduced4x5.jpeg)
Creampie & The Gooey Girls as an alternative.
Musicologists will, of course, assume that your singer does both Jack Bruce and Steve Marriott impressions. You will have to ameliorate their disappointment by including Sunshine Of Your Love and I Don't Need No Doctor into your set.
Speaking of singers, have you found a new one?
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Change it to 'Creampie' and it sounds automatically more hetero, easy, yet retains a certain tongue-out-of-cheek attraction for more alternatively inclined life styles. It's universally popular.
(https://www.bakefromscratch.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Coconut-Banana-Creme_0176_Reduced4x5.jpeg)
Creampie & The Gooey Girls as an alternative.
Musicologists will, of course, assume that your singer does both Jack Bruce and Steve Marriott impressions. You will have to ameliorate their disappointment by including Sunshine Of Your Love and I Don't Need No Doctor into your set.
Speaking of singers, have you found a new one?
I haver three singer to audition so happily that part is good, but I'm going to need a new guitarist as well. Covid and it's isolation has turned ours into a hermit and she's unlikely to change anytime soon so that's the new quest, I have some feelers out but need to do more. At times I've thought that perhaps the band has run its course, it may have - but I still have some stones to turn over so we'll see.
Worst case scenario - I join a "Dad Band" as the crossdressing bass player :o
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In your Clark Kent mode, you could always join a U2 tribute (name proposal: '#Me2'), they'd call you "Adam" there in no time, real dead ringer!
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In your Clark Kent mode, you could always join a U2 tribute (name proposal: '#Me2'), they'd call you "Adam" there in no time, real dead ringer!
"Me2" the ultimate U2 experience! ;D
Seriously, it would be so much easier to just be "normal", I just don't think I can do that - yet.
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Worst case scenario - I join a "Dad Band" as the crossdressing bass player :o
In espionage terms, I think that would make you a triple agent!
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I could see some of those Dad Band members return home from rehearsals with widened ...
... horizons, that's what I meant to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZnfo8ggeqc
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I'm that kind of girl :-*
Corrupt you all I will!
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Ye mortals, make way for the intrusion of ... yesss ... immerse yourself in the sinful halo of Fräulein Rommel, Grand Corruptress Of All Galaxies!
(https://preview.redd.it/mbg7qufle7k31.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=646fcc40686ff650f5cec0a2780c185aacd0ef95)
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Ye mortals, make way for the intrusion of ... yesss ... immerse yourself in the sinful halo of Fräulein Rommel, Grand Corruptress Of All Galaxies!
(https://preview.redd.it/mbg7qufle7k31.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=646fcc40686ff650f5cec0a2780c185aacd0ef95)
I look like that this morning!
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I'm a great fan of Ebony Maw as a villain, all that nifty telekinesis and that priestly stance. He's Thanos' nasty Joseph Goebbels figure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiLpcOvaTPg
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A classic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMguEHoKP4
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Thunderbird sighting in this nineties video by Swedish rockers Electric Boys.
Love the short little guitar solo!
https://youtu.be/wSD7dcIqxF0
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Hadn't seen this before - a great half hour of UFO live in '78 with Schenker, Way, Raymond, Moog and Parker on F*&^%$#@ fire.
https://youtu.be/s5o4ZENrP64
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Thunderbird sighting in this nineties video by Swedish rockers Electric Boys.
Love the short little guitar solo!
https://youtu.be/wSD7dcIqxF0
I remember this! It's so fun, silly fun, I love it!
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Hadn't seen this before - a great half hour of UFO live in '78 with Schenker, Way, Raymond, Moog and Parker on F*&^%$#@ fire.
https://youtu.be/s5o4ZENrP64
Why did my countryman always stand there as if he had just peed his leather pants? :mrgreen:
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To keep that V in position
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Why did my countryman always stand there as if he had just peed his leather pants? :mrgreen:
I have to say that I'm really glad I got to see Michael Schenker with UFO just after "Obsession" came out, I always thought him to be a great guitarist, much better that Led Zep guy! Of course Pete Way was cool and drunk, knocked a Marshall half stack over with his '76 at the end of the show, Raymond, Parker and Moog with his great rock and roll voice, still, I think one of the great underappreciated bands.
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I remember watching this video. Phil Mogg missed a chorus and is so pissed off he sings part of the song with his back to the audience.
Schenker was awesome back then (and during the first four solo albums). But after that he kind of lost his style. Became a soulless shredder. Plus he made some bad choices with his line-ups. That horrible keyboard sound of Andy Nye and that awful singer called McAuley spring to mind...
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To keep that V in position
Ok, so he just veed in his pants, that makes a difference, danke.
Schenker is a gifted rhythm (often forgotten) and lead guitarist. He can also write a song or two.
But he's also plain weird and totally naive. It's like UFO robbed him out of the cradle to drag him on tour around the world by his hair and there is a certain part of "adolescence merging into young adulthood" missing in his development to this day. Some of the stuff he says here is plain delusional. He reminds me of Britney Spears to an extent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nsr2kAfGJU
Get over being the little brother - Rudolf Schenker built the success of his Scorpions on being consistent, something that always escaped his baby brother.
And when I learned about the Scorpions in the mid-seventies in Germany, no one spoke of Michael Schenker, Uli Jon Roth and his Hendrix style was all the rage. Lonesome Crow (the album with Michael) had been a gruesome flop. The Scorps climbed to national attention with Fly to the Rainbow (which to be fair still featured some Michael compositions) and, especially, In Trance. You would read about Michael in the papers when he was once again AWOL from UFO and nobody knew whether he was still alive. At the same time, the Scorpions were gigging every little shit hole left and right in Germany, France and the Benelux countries, cementing their live act reputation.
I even saw him with the Scorpions on the Lovedrive tour. He was clearly unhappy within the Scorpions and I was - being used to Uli Jon Roth's awesome solos - underwhelmed by his very introvert playing and stage presence. It was clear it wouldn't last.
Finally, apologies for his heaffy äkzent - after close to 45 years living in either the US or the UK, you would think that he would no longer sound like an extra from a WW II Nazi movie.
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Even his accent is inconsistent
https://youtu.be/D36SwVZfIKU?t=152
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A self destructive, delusional weirdo lead guitarist? Whoever heard of such a thing?
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Even his accent is inconsistent
https://youtu.be/D36SwVZfIKU?t=152
You know what, Rob? I think this is dubbed, seriously. I've never ever heard Michael speak like that, not on stage and not in interviews. He's always had this very broad Tshörmenn äccent with his Hannover inflection. In that 80ies interview, the voice still has a slight German accent, but it is very much British- even cockney-influenced. All those "oi"s and even the speech rhythm. Plus, the English is too refined, he spoke no English when he joined UFO and rather than helping him, Mogg and Way mocked him cruelly and/or left him to his own devices. Finally, that voice in that vid sounds nothing like Michael, his speaking voice is higher and tends to be bubbling and wide-eyed.
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Haha, looks like we have a Schenker conspirancy theorist among us!
Of course it's him.
His German accent is still quite strong in this interview. Just strangely mixed with some English accents. In 1980 his UFO days weren't too far behind. I guess the English accents of Mogg Way et al rubbed off on him somehow.
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So those Brits did teach him something after all. Until he met Americans, of course, and they ruined what little linguistic progress he had made. Figures.
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There is very little that makes sense with Herr Schenker...
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One of my fave "Hair Metal" bands, Cinderella, live with Erik Brittingham playing a '60s Thunderbird II
https://youtu.be/njc8PRWN0ZY
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One of my fave "Hair Metal" bands, Cinderella, live with Erik Brittingham playing a '60s Thunderbird II
Loved them! They always had nice vintage instruments on tour. Mr. Brittingham pulled out a Rick 4005 when they played coming home at Moscow Peace Festival, not the typical hair metal bass :)
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I saw them a couple of years ago in the UK (my son, then in his hair metal phase, dragged me) - for some reason they still have a devoted following there that transcends the nostalgia circuit, they filled Shepherd's Bush Empire, which is a 2.000 capacity former music hall in London,
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Shepherd%27s_Bush_Empire.jpg/1024px-Shepherd%27s_Bush_Empire.jpg)
actually a nice venue. It was a good gig - they sounded and looked like they had sounded and looked in the 80ies -, though I had a feeling that Keifer probably doesn't want to keep doing this for the rest of his life. His current music is angrier/grungier than Cinderella ever were (though I still hear a good deal of Cinderella in it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0LrgRh7ak4
And then there are of course those country-***/Faces-tinged exploits, he lives in Nashville after all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u68tl82Ihmk
***I would like to add profusely that I use the term most loosely, Dave!
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I saw them a couple of years ago in the UK (my son, then in his hair metal phase, dragged me) - for some reason they still have a devoted following there that transcends the nostalgia circuit, they filled Shepherd's Bush Empire, which is a 2.000 capacity former music hall in London,
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Shepherd%27s_Bush_Empire.jpg/1024px-Shepherd%27s_Bush_Empire.jpg)
actually a nice venue. It was a good gig - they sounded and looked like they had sounded and looked in the 80ies -, though I had a feeling that Keifer probably doesn't want to keep doing this for the rest of his life. His current music is angrier/grungier than Cinderella ever were (though I still hear a good deal of Cinderella in it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0LrgRh7ak4
And then there are of course those country-***/Faces-tinged exploits, he lives in Nashville after all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u68tl82Ihmk
***I would like to add profusely that I use the term most loosely, Dave!
I imagine you living in a place like this.
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I imagine you living in a place like this.
:mrgreen: Foremost, bad central heating comes to mind.
I have to disappoint you, I live in an early 60ies Scandinavian style pre-fab bungalow (courtesy of my wife, who owns it), looking somewhat like this (at least before we bought and refurbished it four years ago, yes, it now has floor heating) ...
(https://mapio.net/images-immo-expose/4410322/img_4924-bungalow-top-ruhige-lage-am-ende-einer-sackgasse-img-0.jpeg)
and pre-owned by the young gentleman in Hitler Youth uniform here (on the right, to the left are his mom and his stepfather, a back then noted communications specialist with a slight limp, also note the best man with the hat in the background)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R32860%2C_Berlin%2C_Trauung_von_Joseph_und_Magda_Goebbels.jpg/660px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R32860%2C_Berlin%2C_Trauung_von_Joseph_und_Magda_Goebbels.jpg)
and here (in fetching Luftwaffe-paratrooper uniform, heavy-handedly superimposed together with his half-sisters and -brother plus mom and stepdad; fighting Bolshevism and Jewish Capitalism for the noble cause of Aryan superiority kept him from the initial photo session).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-086-03%2C_Joseph_Goebbels_mit_Familie.jpg/650px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-086-03%2C_Joseph_Goebbels_mit_Familie.jpg)
Being a POW in English captivity at the time (1945) was helpful for not being poisoned by his mom in the Führerbunker.
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Foremost, bad central heating comes to mind.
No place is perfect. Layer up.
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:mrgreen: Foremost, bad central heating comes to mind.
I have to disappoint you, I live in an early 60ies Scandinavian style pre-fab bungalow (courtesy of my wife, who owns it), looking somewhat like this (at least before we bought and refurbished it four years ago, yes, it now has floor heating) ...
(https://mapio.net/images-immo-expose/4410322/img_4924-bungalow-top-ruhige-lage-am-ende-einer-sackgasse-img-0.jpeg)
and pre-owned by the young gentleman in Hitler Youth uniform here (on the right, to the left are his mom and his stepfather, a back then noted communications specialist with a slight limp, also note the best man with the hat in the background)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R32860%2C_Berlin%2C_Trauung_von_Joseph_und_Magda_Goebbels.jpg/660px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R32860%2C_Berlin%2C_Trauung_von_Joseph_und_Magda_Goebbels.jpg)
and here (in fetching Luftwaffe-paratrooper uniform, heavy-handedly superimposed together with his half-sisters and -brother plus mom and stepdad; fighting Bolshevism and Jewish Capitalism for the noble cause of Aryan superiority kept him from the initial photo session).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-086-03%2C_Joseph_Goebbels_mit_Familie.jpg/650px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-086-03%2C_Joseph_Goebbels_mit_Familie.jpg)
Being a POW in English captivity at the time (1945) was helpful for not being poisoned by his mom in the Führerbunker.
A picture of you pushing a lawn mower would be near priceless...... ;)
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Another interesting tidbit is Magada Goebbels first husband was Gunther Quant. That industrialist's family has also been awarded a contract to produce digital vaccine passports. Papers please!
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and here (in fetching Luftwaffe-paratrooper uniform, heavy-handedly superimposed together with his half-sisters and -brother plus mom and stepdad; fighting Bolshevism and Jewish Capitalism for the noble cause of Aryan superiority kept him from the initial photo session).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-086-03%2C_Joseph_Goebbels_mit_Familie.jpg/650px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-086-03%2C_Joseph_Goebbels_mit_Familie.jpg)
Being a POW in English captivity at the time (1945) was helpful for not being poisoned by his mom in the Führerbunker.
The Brädy Bünch?
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The Brädy Bünch?
(https://i.imgflip.com/hausa.jpg)
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(https://i.imgflip.com/hausa.jpg)
Is that Caröl Brädy in the hat?
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Another interesting tidbit is Magada Goebbels first husband was Gunther Quant. That industrialist's family has also been awarded a contract to produce digital vaccine passports. Papers please!
The kid-turned-paratrooper is Günther Quandt's second marriage (with Magda, a skillful social climber) younger son Harald Quandt. His older son, Herbert, was with his first wife. Günther, a wealthy industrialist, supported the NSDAP and was pivotal in their early days. The marriage with Magda didn't work out well either and she became (as she had been to Günther before marriage to him) secretary/personal assistant to Joseph Goebbels. The rest is hormones, Hitler & history, as they say.
Günther never held a grudge against either Magda or Joseph, Harald grew up largely with the Goebbels family before he turned adult. By all accounts, Goebbels had a very good relationship with Harald which only soured in 1944 when Harald had become disillusioned from the war he (rightfully so) saw irrevocably lost (and German paratroopers generally suffered heavy losses throughout the war).
Both Günther Quandt's sons, Harald and Herbert, succeeded him as successful industrialists and founded dynasties of their own, BMW still belongs to the Herbert Quandt descendants today (Herbert saved BMW from insolvency because he believed in the brand when no one else did - he wasn't wrong). Harald died in a plane crash over the Italian Alps in the late 60ies on his way to France (ironically not too far away from the site where his unit suffered heavy casualties in WWII and where he was badly wounded too). That is why he bought our bungalow, it was in spitting distance to a sports airfield close to us, he was a hobby pilot. The other explanation is that he used our bungalow as a lair for mistresses. Much like his dad, Harald had a thing for his secretaries/personal assistants.
So it boils down to the following: Depending on your view we either live in a deserted Goebbels bunker of sorts or in a former cauldron of sinful adultery. :mrgreen:
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The kid-turned-paratrooper is Günther Quandt's second marriage (with Magda) younger son Harald Quandt. His older son, Herbert, was with his first wife. Günther, a wealthy industrialist, supported the NSDAP and was pivotal in their early days. The marriage with magda didn't work out well either and she became (as she had been before marriage to Günther) secretary/personal assistant to Joseph Goebbels. The rest is hormones and history, as they say.
Günther never held a grudge against either Magda or Joseph, Harald grew up largely with the Goebbels family before he turned adult. By all accounts, Goebbels had a very good relationship with Harald which only soured in 1944 when Harald had become disillusioned from the war he saw irrevocably lost.
Both Günther Quandt's sons, Harald and Herbert, succeeded him as successful industrialists and founded dynasties of themselves, BMW still belongs to them today. Harald died in a plane crash in the late 60ies on his way to France (ironically not too far away from the site where his unit suffered heavy casualties in WWII and where he was badly wounded too). That is why he bought our bungalow, it was in spititng distance to a sports airfield, he was a hobby pilot. The other explanation is that he used our bungalow as a lair for mistresses. Much like his dad, Harald had a thing for his secretaries/personal assistants.
So it boils down to the following: Depending on your view we either live in a deserted Goebbels bunker or in a former cauldron of sinful adultery. :mrgreen:
Living in sin has a better feel to it.
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Sorry if this has been posted.
https://youtu.be/TuXLPqaHO-c
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Not this in-depth analysis, only vids where Becker played a TB IV. Interesting, though Steely Dan - well-crafted music it is - has never really grabbed me. They always sounded a little too "adult" for me. I'm a stunted development guy.
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Not this in-depth analysis, only vids where Becker played a TB IV. Interesting, though Steely Dan - well-crafted music it is - has never really grabbed me. They always sounded a little too "adult" for me. I'm a stunted development guy.
I think what grabs me least here is the narrator in the video, with his seemingly extremely exaggerated way of speaking.
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yikes
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Steely Dan = immediately change the station. I wouldn't sit through 30 seconds of anything about them.
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Steely Dan = immediately change the station. I wouldn't sit through 30 seconds of anything about them.
Agreed!
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Ouch, so much for sophisticated 'rock critic's choice'-music in this forum of fora. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Do you all hate Little Feat too? 8)
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Is it cuz y'all are reeling in the years and don't wanna dwell on the point?
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Not this in-depth analysis, only vids where Becker played a TB IV. Interesting, though Steely Dan - well-crafted music it is - has never really grabbed me. They always sounded a little too "adult" for me. I'm a stunted development guy.
You too?
I already admitted to eating crayons :-*
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Ouch, so much for sophisticated 'rock critic's choice'-music in this forum of fora. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Do you all hate Little Feat too? 8)
I don't hate 'em, that's too strong a word. Their music is not pleasing to me, so I don't waste time listening to it.
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Apologies if I already posted this. My Epiphone Vintage Pro Thunderbird through my Hiwatts. Recent gig, low attendance would be polite, inside on a hot summer night and no liquor license lol. The entire show was shot in high quality and multiple angles so it's a video gold mine. A little Summer Time Blues. https://youtu.be/AzC_m90fwpw
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Too sweet!
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Been in our summer house since May, only home to do the washing. And then, tonight, I finally got time to sit down at the computer. To find this nice music, with a bass that sounds the way I like it to sound! Thank you very much, Thunder!
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I didn't remember seeing the NR in the Back in Black video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgnJDJN4VA
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The closest AC/DC ever came to sounding like Led Zep. It really is a Jimmy Page style riff.
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The closest AC/DC ever came to sounding like Led Zep. It really is a Jimmy Page style riff.
Careful what you say now, mister. Remember what we did to Blücher!
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Huh? You did nothing, he died as an old man peacefully at home having won all his major battles (against mostly the French)!
A similarity to AC/DC seems to be though that he wasn't regarded as much of a strategist or tactician, but as mainly daring and dashing, always advancing. Hence his nickname "Marschall Vorwärts". "Vorwärts" (forward) kind of sums up AC/DC too. :mrgreen:
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Huh? You did nothing, he died as an old man peacefully at home having won all his major battles (against mostly the French)!
I meant the battleship 8)
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Bundesarchiv_DVM_10_Bild-23-63-09%2C_Kreuzer_%22Bl%C3%BCcher%22.jpg)
:mrgreen: Ok, German battleships (the Blücher was a heavy cruiser, but no matter, those sucked too) were never much to sink write home about. We should have built them dual purpose battleship/submarine right from the start.
You Norsemen/your Birger Eriksen
(https://alchetron.com/cdn/birger-eriksen-44bd1b39-f6b0-4a0a-8581-6b4eb851421-resize-750.jpg)
"Either I will be decorated, or I will be court-martialed. Fire!"
— Birger Kristian Eriksen, as he gave orders to fire at the German heavy cruiser Blücher.
"It's not really hard to fire guns, but it's immensely hard to make the decision to fire."
— Post-war statement with regards to his decision to open fire.
"Der skal for fanden skytes med skarpt!" (Damn right we're firing live ammunition.)
— Supposedly said as he gave orders to fire.
sure took her to the cleaners in 1940 ... And to add insult to injury (she had cost us more than 80 million Reichsmark, that was a lot of money back then!), you even sunk her (within two hours after the first hit, ouch!) on her maiden combat voyage ... :-[
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/BildeB3.jpg/440px-BildeB3.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/German_soldiers_and_Bl%C3%BCcher_sinking.jpg/440px-German_soldiers_and_Bl%C3%BCcher_sinking.jpg)
But then you had good German equipment to do it, Krupp guns, albeit half a century old ones, but German furnace quality just lasts and lasts ... 8)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/28_cm_gun_at_Oscarsborg_Fortress.jpg/440px-28_cm_gun_at_Oscarsborg_Fortress.jpg)
Alas!, don't mess with Vikings ...
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/58/63/72/586372033f3acdb4f87068fbf9019d2b.jpg)
PS: Birger not only left a lasting (and deserved) impression in his home country, but also with the enemy, some grudging respect there:
"In Oscarborg, Birger and his men kept fighting well until the tenth of April, a day after the sinking of the Blücher and the loss of Oslo. Taken prisoner by the German troops, Birger was quickly released and kept a low profile during the rest of the war and was mostly involved in municipal work in various places. After the war he was awarded the French War Cross and Legion of Honour as well as the highest decoration of his homeland, the Norwegian War Cross."
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No other forum digresses from its topics more interestingly. I hereby award 1,000 points!
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
We're living proof for how the chaos theory works and always leads to best results!
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I like this place's version of chaos.
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That even sounds like a TBird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caDlnvqZCh0
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That's Andy McMaster, who wrote and sang lead and played keyboards on Airport.
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Michael posted this in the "So what have you been listening to lately?"-thread, but it belongs here too. That's a 60ies TB with its slightly overdriven sound, absolutely gorgeous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYqkLQYk9Eo&t=131s
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It's their keyboard player/lead singer playing the TBird here.
He was hard to pin down, Andy McMaster was co-songwriter, co-lead vocalist, bassist, sometime guitarist and towards the end keyboarder (his fave instrument) of The Motors (they got in Martin Ace from MAN as a new bassist). Here (on their greatest hit where they began to sound a bit like Pilot/Mr Big/City Boy/10cc Brit sophisticated pop), he's on keyboards and lead vocals - co-lead vocalist and guitarist Nick Garyey plays the Höffie for once (in most other taped TV performances, he played his guitar and they did without bass).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC5t1zjFn4Q
For some reason, I always thought that that keyboard line in the chorus sounded like something off the soundtrack of a Emanuelle soft porn movie (I only went for the music!)! :mrgreen: I guess they wanted (what they thought was) a European vibe to the song. Alas!, Silvia Kristel, another noteworthy Dutch(wo)man. No one has ever sat on a rattan chair with more - what's the word ... ah yes ... - nubile grace.
(https://berliner-filmfestivals.de/wp-content/uploads/sylvia_k_gro%C3%9F.jpg)
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Michael posted this in the "So what have you been listening to lately?"-thread, but it belongs here too. That's a 60ies TB with its slightly overdriven sound, absolutely gorgeous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYqkLQYk9Eo&t=131s
It would be hard to find a better example of what I personally think a bass should sound like. It's like art.
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It never occirred to me that Midnight OIl's bass tone was Tbird. These guys always defined it for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmgHjQ5avYs
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I was never very familiar with Midnight Oil, although I've always thought that was a fantastic song. In video suggestions, I got a video in which the bassist was playing a Fender. It sounded good, but the one I found with the Thunderbird I felt suited the song perfectly. In fact, it was a surprise when I found that. I wasn't expecting it.
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I was never very familiar with Midnight Oil, although I've always thought that was a fantastic song. In video suggestions, I got a video in which the bassist was playing a Fender. It sounded good, but the one I found with the Thunderbird I felt suited the song perfectly. In fact, it was a surprise when I found that. I wasn't expecting it.
The message behind this song is really great. Explained in the wikipedia page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beds_Are_Burning
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The message behind this song is really great. Explained in the wikipedia page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beds_Are_Burning
A couple of days ago, I looked up a little about what Garrett has done. It was admirable. It looks like in more recent times he has become an environmental activist more than anything else.
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They are a great band with a real knack for interesting chord changes. And the fact that they don't sing "squeeze me 'til the juice runs down my legs" all day is kinda helpful too. Peter Garrett, the lead vocalist and lyricist, is a lifelong activist for environmental and Australian pre-white settlement heritage and was a Minister in the Australian Labor government from 2007 to 2013 (for environment and the aborigines minority, later on for education).
PS: My post crossed with Michael's!
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What is also helpful is Peter Garrett shows what it is like to have a unique stage presence. So cool. Very few are on that level, IMO. I think maybe it doesn't appeal to everyone, but tastes vary. I could never be that cool on stage if my life depended on it.
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Michael posted this in the "So what have you been listening to lately?"-thread, but it belongs here too. That's a 60ies TB with its slightly overdriven sound, absolutely gorgeous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYqkLQYk9Eo&t=131s
Ha! I just posted on that same thread, missed the replies here.
I was actually trying to figure out if it's a Greco because I thought I saw a 3-point bridge in front of the saddle and only ever seen that on some Grecos... hard to see since his picking hand is usually there.... but on closer look maybe what I'm seeing is just the bridge cover over a 2-point bridge? So maybe it's a 60s II after all? ???
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It's hard to tell, but it sure sounds like it, that overdriven bark with occasional "farty" signal quavers. Which is why a vintage TBird wouldn't work in a speed metal band.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdAHctXARlY
New song by Slash and Myles Kennedy.
I think that is Todd Kerns on the Tbird.
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It's hard to tell, but it sure sounds like it, that overdriven bark with occasional "farty" signal quavers. Which is why a vintage TBird wouldn't work in a speed metal band.
Bones Hillman's bass is highlighted probably even more in this song than in "Beds Are Burning." This is from the article I posted in the other thread which may have got lost in the middle of all the other posts being posted at the same time over there. The writer says----
The tone on this track should literally be deemed the blueprint for any modern alt-rock bassist: swapping out his trusty P Bass in favour of a humbucker-equipped Gibson Thunderbird, Hillman cranks up the gain and lays down one of his best ever basslines."
https://mixdownmag.com.au/features/seven-of-bones-hillmans-best-bass-moments-with-midnight-oil/
Midnight Oil "Underwater" track from the album "Breathe" (1996).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDwpQehaKvk
https://mixdownmag.com.au/features/seven-of-bones-hillmans-best-bass-moments-with-midnight-oil/
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Bones Hillman's bass is highlighted probably even more in this song than in "Beds Are Burning." This is from the article I posted in the other thread which may have got lost in the middle of all the other posts being posted at the same time over there. The writer says----
The tone on this track should literally be deemed the blueprint for any modern alt-rock bassist: swapping out his trusty P Bass in favour of a humbucker-equipped Gibson Thunderbird, Hillman cranks up the gain and lays down one of his best ever basslines."
https://mixdownmag.com.au/features/seven-of-bones-hillmans-best-bass-moments-with-midnight-oil/
Midnight Oil "Underwater" track from the album "Breathe" (1996).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDwpQehaKvk
https://mixdownmag.com.au/features/seven-of-bones-hillmans-best-bass-moments-with-midnight-oil/
Excellent!
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So regret not seeing this band... imagine a sweat box like the Marquee Club with this lot going nuts... oh well...
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Michael posted this in the "So what have you been listening to lately?"-thread, but it belongs here too. That's a 60ies TB with its slightly overdriven sound, absolutely gorgeous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYqkLQYk9Eo&t=131s
Love Midnight Oil one of the few bands of the 90s worth listening to.
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Love Midnight Oil one of the few bands of the 90s worth listening to.
Perhaps because they're an 80s band. :P Beds are Burning was released in 87 and that was from their 5th or 6th album. The 90s was a really bad time for the radio - there was good stuff being put out just not so much on mainstream stations.
Anyway their first album was 1978. This is them performing their first single in 81. Bit more spazz punk back then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trjD7nJc4iQ
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NR Tbird with The Beat (don't think it's a Gibson though)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSH9yHGrDOM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdAHctXARlY
New song by Slash and Myles Kennedy.
I think that is Todd Kerns on the Tbird.
It looks like they have a nice tour shaping up for 2022. I saw Myles Kennedy being interviewed earlier today.
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Epi Embassy sighting starting at 19:32; that's Delaney Bramlett on bass, James Burton on the Tele.
Cathy adores a minuet, the Ballets Russes and Crepes Suzette. And English pub songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEqP_bc1R-U&t=1171s
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At that time, what else could it be? I guess I've seen lawsuit era copies but not many of an NR.
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I know, I know, what a wuss I am posting Al Stewart here. Inoffensiveness has a name. But at my age you can allow yourself to be shameless. Good glimpses of the Bicentennial TBird (three point!) at 1:18, 2:12 and 5:13.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qob1Hq57ymg
I have all Al Stewart CDs. Yes, all. Even my wife thinks that is a little strange. I will announce further revelations as they come. I really like the drummer's hair too.
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I know, I know, what a wuss I am posting Al Stewart here. Inoffensiveness has a name. But at my age you can allow yourself to be shameless. Good glimpses of the Bicentennial TBird (three point!) at 1:18, 2:12 and 5:13.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qob1Hq57ymg
I have all Al Stewart CDs. Yes, all. Even my wife thinks that is a little strange. I will announce further revelations as they come. I really like the drummer's hair too.
This and Year of the Cat are about all I know from Al Stewart. Both quality tunes. With three guitars, two keys, and a sax, this is some good ensemble playing. Totally uncluttered.
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He's essentially a Brit folkie (living, of course, in California) who prefers songs about (he reads a lot) arcane historical subjects - a song about Russian submariners dying in the hull of their sunken boat anyone? - to the usual boy-meets-girl/romance/relationships stuff and who only for a short time span in his career traded as a MOR/Yacht pop artist, those Alan Parsons-crafted Year of the Cat/Time Passages-years to which he himself has said: "It was fun to go there for a while, like visiting a Hollywood film set, but I didn't want to live there, I always knew it wouldn't last. I'm not a pop star at all."
He's more comfortable doing stuff like this (a song about Germany's WWII attack on Russia, would you believe?, probably the only song mentioning "Tigers" that doesn't refer to the feline carnivore, but to the "Panzerkampfwagen VI" 8)):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZdhPRPP0oM
By his own admission, he doesn't even like saxophones! :mrgreen: Record company talked him into using them for a more commercial sheen (and because they were en vogue at the time, think Gerry Rafferty's 'Baker Street'), he thought they devalued the earnestness of his music.
He's really into literary music (eg the incident when Elvis saw Josef Stalin in the clouds and contemplated becoming a monk):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMOJr4MCsrk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iarMdk24eww
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"It was fun to go there for a while, like visiting a Hollywood film set, but I didn't want to live there, I always knew it wouldn't last. I'm not a pop star at all."
Very cool.
I didn't know the Parsons connection. Totally makes sense. I just listened to Turn of a Friendly Card the other night. Pretty great stuff before things got all mushy AOR with Eye in the Sky.
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Some Sister banging a Bird. Figures that this might attract your interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BURM7l6_pvg
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LOL I wrote a song about my divorce and jammed it with a bud for a few months and the dear didn't have the heart to tell me I totally ripped off that song. It was a pile of cheese anyway. ... but somehow not as cheese as the original; yikes. Eldrich had Patricial Morrison on the album before (which serious OG goths love to hate; at least one prominent music blogger loathes it enough to mention repeatedly - especially now that there's been a bit of a resurgance in popularity), and lost her due (in part) to under-utilization and exploitation - she was there for eye candy and it was a bit obvious.
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"LOL I wrote a song about my divorce ..."
Wot, you're no longer together with that nice urban planner?! I'm sorry to hear that.
I just came from a dinner with my current wife, my first wife (she invited us) and Edith's first husband (no, we were not trying to set up our exes together!). We had actually spent two weeks on vacation together this Christmas/New Year, plus the children from the respective family strands, a patchwork family (the term we use in Germany for a blended family scenario) vacation so to say. It "worked" great.
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Its been mentioned before you just forgot. Been a bit of a trip and I guess it is demonstrative of how it went that later era Sisters of Mercy is what my brain referenced. It's better now; I've moved on to ripping off Ministry and then Leonard Cohen with Arthurian/Welsh imagery.
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Very Good demos of a modern Gibson T bird and clearly the only reason to check these vids out 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXmJDHtX8js
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwY9YYwGliI
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I like her playing. She's got a little attitude that stuff like this needs. I only watched the GnR.
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Duff is an underrated bassist - even by himself.
Can't really see the girl for all that bass! :mrgreen: Like you said, she plays nicely snotty though.
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Now that's a rare sight: Foreigner with a TBird? Must be a later line-up, I don't even know who the bassist is, he's not Rick Wills who recorded this initially.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUHKMLukkAg
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Now that's a rare sight: Foreigner with a TBird? Must be a later line-up, I don't even know who the bassist is, he's not Rick Wills who recorded this initially.
Nice color. I don't know who that is either.
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I had to do research, but I had a hunch that it might me the era when Lou Gramm rejoined after his first departure and failed solo career: Bruce Turgon.
(https://dygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net/i/15703/15663866_1.jpg?v=8CFE23C70E26690)
He was basically best buddies with Gramm, both had played with Black Sheep (Gramm's pre-Foreigner outfit), he was also Gramm's guitarist/bassist (+ co-songwriter) in his solo years and with Shadow King
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KscgLfvbxdc
plus of course that mid-nineties return stint with the mothership where Gramm dragged him along after Rick Wills had departed.
So the lineage of Foreigner bassists is Ed Gagliardi - Rick Wills - Bruce Turgon - Jeff Pilson, now memorize it! :mrgreen:
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I think that's Bruce Turgon. Later in Shadow King (with Lou Gramm)
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Uwe beat me to it. But yeah that's him
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That's were Gramm and Turgon came from, quite a bluesy lot, kinda rootsy Foreigner (like the organ work, but then I'm Deep Purple corrupted, Turgon's bass work is almost jazzy at times, he must have listened to a lot of Jack Bruce/Tim Bogert):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWGMqMGe_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m8lq7xk0eg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mdWVxR-nm8
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They sounded like Bad Company with an added (prominent) Hammond.
Turgon shure lost his jazzy feel over time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0vdkBf-7KI
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He was with Warrior? I had no idea!
Really liked that band. As if Judas Priest had been 10 years younger and Americans. :mrgreen:
"They sounded like Bad Company with an added (prominent) Hammond."
I read that Black Sheep heard that a lot. :mrgreen:
Or like Bad Co would have sounded if Paul Rodgers had allowed Jon Lord in after the Purple split in 1976. Ralphs, Kirke and Burrell wanted Lord in, Rodgers vetoed it, concerned that there would be too much Purple baggage attached. It might have sounded a bit like this here (Lord, Burrell, Kirke, Ralphs + Tony Ashton on vocals), Jon was a funky player if you let him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xt-UHIUv48
Boz Burrell on vocals and bass together with Blackmore, Lord and Paice in pre-Bad Company days:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAH0Uy23-b8
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I always preferred Tony with a TBird. This may be the absolute worst lip synch ever on TotP though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR6TSe1Gqfo
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I just found Clapton on a T-bird guitar when Cream appeared on Glen Campbell's short lived variety show...not a bass, but looks T-Bird to me. Also, evidently he passed on the guitar distortion. Sounds weird with a clean guitar signal.
https://youtu.be/mChxWMlsuzw
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I just found Clapton on a T-bird guitar when Cream appeared on Glen Campbell's short lived variety show...not a bass, but looks T-Bird to me. Also, evidently he passed on the guitar distortion. Sounds weird with a clean guitar signal.
https://youtu.be/mChxWMlsuzw
It's called a Firebird. :)
Notice that he introduced them as "The Cream." I remember that Carson introduced them the same way.
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Here is an article about the performance I happened to run across earlier in the day.
https://www.loudersound.com/news/watch-glen-campbell-introduce-cream-to-the-american-tv-audience-in-1968
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Here is an article about the performance I happened to run across earlier in the day.
https://www.loudersound.com/news/watch-glen-campbell-introduce-cream-to-the-american-tv-audience-in-1968
He introduced Cream to the American audience on July 14, 1968? :o
For pity's sake. They were halfway through their second US tour by then, and Wheels of Fire had already been released by then.
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I just found Clapton on a T-bird guitar when Cream appeared on Glen Campbell's short lived variety show...not a bass, but looks T-Bird to me. Also, evidently he passed on the guitar distortion. Sounds weird with a clean guitar signal.
https://youtu.be/mChxWMlsuzw
With the middishness of the Firebird, I bet it's one of those situations where it sounds dirtier live in the moment and kinda cleans up on tape. Happenned to me a lot of times.
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He introduced Cream to the American audience on July 14, 1968? :o
For pity's sake. They were halfway through their second US tour by then, and Wheels of Fire had already been released by then.
In general, I tend to not pay much attention to dates. However, although I'm not sure of his age, I'm pretty sure the author wasn't around at the time of Cream. He may have missed a few details. Also, it appears he is a New Zealander, someone who is unlikely to know much about Glen Campbell's early days, etc. Having said that, I used to have an American guitarist friend who lived several years in New Zealand during the 1980s and had the time of his life playing punk rock there.
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Firebird, huh?
Shows you how much I know about Gibsons.............but I do learn more from being here.
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Firebird, huh?
Shows you how much I know about Gibsons.............but I do learn more from being here.
Most prominent user
https://youtu.be/lqe6ww4DIgw
You'll need to buy this (https://www.gibson.com/en-US/Guitar/CUSK1U971/Johnny-Winter-1964-Firebird-V/Polaris-White) to be authentic, and use a thumbpick like Johnny.
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A picture of "The Cream" here in Seattle at the Eagles auditorium - Clapton with a Firebird.
(https://i.imgur.com/9Nwnxsl.jpg)
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Brian Wheat and Tesla - Non Reverse fun here!
https://youtu.be/d-qfnU3MCHg
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A picture of "The Cream" here in Seattle at the Eagles auditorium - Clapton with a Firebird.
(https://i.imgur.com/9Nwnxsl.jpg)
Hmmmpff, that's "Thunderbird guitar" young man!
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The late Horst Stachelhaus of Birth Control speedily a-funkin' on a Bicentennial. Unfortunately you hardly see him (a short glimpse at 01:33 and one from behind at 03:02), but you sure can HEAR him throughout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLXeB2qHjV4
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An appropriate name for a prog rock group ... especially one that sounds and looks like it's fronted by Eric Idle after coming back from an ashram.
That said, even I have to concede that is some solid playing all around; I'm not one for the unified synched up turn around bits, but I'd grab a beer and stay for the next song easily.
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Birth Control started out in the early 70ies as sort of Germany's answer to Deep Purple. They soon had a dance floor rock hit with Gamma Ray sung by their drummer (who later became their lead vocalist + added percussionist, he's the "Eric Idle" in the above vid).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzlv7LFmLMg
That keyboard riff and hypnotic groove would make an unlikely reappearance decades later ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWaymcVmJ-A
Personally, I always thought early Birth Control had something of a Rare Earth feel (the guys who covered "Get Ready" and other Motown hits in groove rock versions), very apparent here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7tDhS3Hlao
Birth Control had continuous line-up changes - bassists, guitarists and keyboard players came and went. The line-up doing Skateboard Sue was already several generations removed from the one doing Gamma Ray above. Over time, the rootsy approach took a backseat and the band became more and more progish and jazzy. That keyboarder in the Skateboard Sue performance - Zeus B Held - would however make a name for himself in the 80ies - after having moved to England and turned producer there. One of his productions was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU
Still a danceable keyboard line, some things sure stuck!
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The late Horst Stachelhaus of Birth Control speedily a-funkin' on a Bicentennial. Unfortunately you hardly see him (a short glimpse at 01:33 and one from behind at 03:02), but you sure can HEAR him throughout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLXeB2qHjV4
Dig it. Also, the mustaches are as impressive as the Gibsons.
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Birth Control looked eternally unfashionable!
More glimpses of the Bird, here at 01:44:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuF_a9YWoNc
With in effect two drummers, there was always something going on percussion-wise in their music. First Bernd Noske (their original drummer turned singer) duels with Manni von Bohr (the "sitting" drummer), then around 3:38 Bernd walks down the multi-level stage for some vibraphone/keyboard interplay with Zeus B Held. That is actually quite impressive - and precise. (Hey, even middle-aged Canadian punk drummers-turned-bassists seem to dig it, what greater accolade could there be?!)
And all the while Horst Stachelhaus' natural Bicentennial very prominent and busy in the mix. That gig is from 1977, he can't have had the Bicentennial for long then and was obviously endeared by it. He had a penchant for maho neck-thru basses, the successor to the Bird would be an Ovation Magnum I.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51ufzBNdCKL._SX342_.jpg)
Stachelhaus was editor-in-chief of German muso mag Fachblatt, so getting his hands on new musical product was no issue for him.
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Birth Control started out in the early 70ies as sort of Germany's answer to Deep Purple. They soon had a dance floor rock hit with Gamma Ray sung by their drummer (who later became their lead vocalist + added percussionist, he's the "Eric Idle" in the above vid).
I like them a little more already ;P
(OHMNO made me sing half the record we're about to release - grab yer earplugs).
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We will want audible proof of that, Jake. :popcorn:
You second coming of Gordon Lightfoot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3x2vcergP0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-S0Ar_S2pE
Still impressive.
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We will want audible proof of that, Jake. :popcorn:
April 1st - no foolin
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You on drums, bass and vocals? THE JAKE
EXPERIENCE IMMERSION !!!
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I can't find a clip, but I just started watching the Summer of Soul documentary, and about 8 minutes in the Chambers Brothers come on with a beautiful non-reverse IV.
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You on drums, bass and vocals? THE JAKE EXPERIENCE IMMERSION !!!
LOL, but bass only on 1 track cuz we wrote it on the spot when doing vocals and the bassist wasn't there due to covid.
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Love Johnny Winter! Back to Thunderbirds a few clips from last week's Who's That show, first one in 9 months.https://youtu.be/IldFFgjQOco https://youtu.be/O9iHIxJw_k8
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Finally someone got a bit of the Real Me! https://youtu.be/B6vvzW7hr6g
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Nice clips Scott! The rig sounds great.
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It's amazing what one can do with just a four string these days. :popcorn:
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It's amazing what one can do with just a four string these days. :popcorn:
I'm glad about that. My fingers aren't smart enough to play five, let alone six. ;D
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Or - gulp - twelve ...
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Nazareth on Austrian TV, 1975. Nice old rev.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=war8zlIWoMY
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Some old Broad going on about Thunderbirds.
https://youtu.be/oqBU-SSNXrs
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Not bad for a girl, Trevor! ;)
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Not bad for a girl, Trevor! ;)
It's quite a bass, the others ain't gettin' much love!
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Well that definitely sounds like a T-bird! Really great. Nice playing on the Bowie tune too. And that dress! ;)
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But it needs grey whiskers to go with it.
(https://shapersofthe80s.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/db73bolderspiders.jpg)
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But it needs grey whiskers to go with it.
(https://shapersofthe80s.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/db73bolderspiders.jpg)
Eh, no on the facial hair - tho I think Boulder actually dyed them blue to match the outfit - kudos!
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From https://bowiebranchia.tumblr.com/, one of my favorite sites. But I also love nudibranchs.
(https://cdn.curiousdoodle.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/bowieslug002.jpg)
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'Mon the nudibranchs!
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From https://bowiebranchia.tumblr.com/, one of my favorite sites. But I also love nudibranchs.
(https://cdn.curiousdoodle.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/bowieslug002.jpg)
Now we're really slugging it out who came first. 8)
Thanks Mark, I never got that stylish nuance about Trevor's munchkin sideburns - they were actually metallic blue then!
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Pleasantly melodic and with a beat plus there is a TBird somewhere in it too ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKIdi_ML3gg&t=223s
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Lots of Gibsons at the Pinkpop festival last weekend.
Like at this performance of Dutch band Navarone.
Their bass player was playing a NR Tbird during the entire set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4TuDa2SSs
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Let me guess, the Asian-DNA-looking, Explorer-wielding guitarist listens a lot to a certain Irish band. They came to him in his dreams one night and said: "You too must get a delay, you still haven't found what you're looking for!" And he obliged. :mrgreen:
Is Tom around?
(https://c.tenor.com/Rkh-RvFDnT0AAAAC/norman-bates-psycho.gif)
Can we quick make some comments on Adam Clayton's bass skills while we're at it?
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NRs everywhere. James Lomenzo brandishing one in the new Megadeth vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkJ5jJuraLQ
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Skip to 4:00 and you'll see James Lomenzo rehearsing with the T'bird. Best bass sound I've ever heard in Megadeth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnJkhywYebQ
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Skip to 4:00 and you'll see James Lomenzo rehearsing with the T'bird. Best bass sound I've ever heard in Megadeth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnJkhywYebQ
For sure on his tone - I love mine, it's a stout, well made and great sound bass - Best Gibson has done for years.
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Thunderbird through some HIWATTs anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h6eZ2hLboE
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Such a good tune! And what a good drummer! Ka-baam, Ka-choff!
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Never ever connected T-birds with The Hollies. So this came as a real surprise. Eric Haydock was the bass player. The bottom got out of the group when he quit, think it was around -66: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8xwZYqxhok
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Filmed in Het Turfschip, Breda (The Netherlands)
42 years ago
Non Reverse Thunderbird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAIpkdhU9Q
And a midget with a semi-acoustic guitar
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Hey, don't dwarf AC/DC!
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I don't need to. Gretsch did that for me, by giving Malcolm the largest guitar they could find :mrgreen:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7f/05/ef/7f05ef9a580267c02154d74202e8a8fd.jpg)
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Well, the guitar with the smallest body - the SG - was already reserved for his baby brother!
But who says Aussies can't surprise?
(https://www.gretsch-talk.com/data/attachments/18/18687-f7ae93043fdfd5f5a1e13985a8d18f74.jpg)
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WARNING:
Not for the faint of heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FioV-Ems02I
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WARNING:
Not for the faint of heart
That's what he gets for hopping around like an idiot. Still, the 'bird can be repaired.
I'm far more traumatized by the fact that they're playing a U2 cover...
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Well, it is the appropriate bass for it :mrgreen:
(https://images.equipboard.com/uploads/source/image/43631/4adbb97f8c731299cc047a973b58b5f4.jpg)
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The way that broke off, it must have had some cracks before.
That other chap with the cigarette, is he the bass player of that Irish band? I've heard he's not very good at all.
Waiting, anticipating ...
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Some patience please. Tom will come to the rescue of Adam soon enough. He always does.
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https://youtu.be/reJ87POH2do
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Some patience please. Tom will come to the rescue of Adam soon enough. He always does.
I sent a letter explaining our little back and forth to Mr. Clayton's management. I told them in no uncertain terms that a quantity of (1) vintage T-Bird (reverse of course) will keep me defending the artist. Well, no T-bird yet, so he is on his own!
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https://youtu.be/reJ87POH2do
Nice. Didn't the piano player perform on the original of Stairway to Heaven?
(https://c.tenor.com/a2mx51_N8vMAAAAM/grumpy-snow-white.gif)
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I sent a letter explaining our little back and forth to Mr. Clayton's management. I told them in no uncertain terms that a quantity of (1) vintage T-Bird (reverse of course) will keep me defending the artist. Well, no T-bird yet, so he is on his own!
Shucks! Such a thorn twist in your side, on a bed of nails they've made you wait, but through the storm you'll reach the shore: with or without it ...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/U-2_in_Kiel_1935.JPG)
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Nice. Didn't the piano player perform on the original of Stairway to Heaven?
(https://c.tenor.com/a2mx51_N8vMAAAAM/grumpy-snow-white.gif)
Are you suggesting that LZ may possibly have borrowed something from another band? Perish the thought! :mrgreen:
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I would never say anything bad about Led Zep. A fine band, immaculate in instrumental execution with socially aware, down-to-earth lyrics, a light-touch drummer gliding through the music, selflessly committed to songwriter ownership (especially their own) and no sense of grandeur at all. Criminally underrated. Especially the sax player.
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https://youtu.be/reJ87POH2do
This fellow is on the FB Thunderbird group.
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Say hello from us!
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The way that broke off, it must have had some cracks before.
That other chap with the cigarette, is he the bass player of that Irish band? I've heard he's not very good at all.
Waiting, anticipating ...
He got a lot better after he went to great Patrick Pfeiffer for lessons. I've been taking lessons from Patrick on and off for over 15 years. He's amazing. And you'd like him. He's German. :mrgreen:
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I was just pulling PROG-Tom's leg, he's complained in the past that all online discussions of U2 eventually end in ...
no ... not nein! ... / : - = (
... but in Adam Clayton being a bad bassist. I have no issues with his playing either way. If you were raised on Deep Purple like me, pondering whether U2 have noteworthy instrumental skills doesn't really register on your radar. They're aural stylists adept at giving the illusion of depth to the nothingness permeating their music, which is fine. Their contribution to the electronic delays and loops industry cannot be underestimated, perhaps they should have called themselves BOSS 2, but I prefer listening to Made in Japan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKAS7XOWaQ
Yet certainly Naomi felt that Adam's fingerplay left nothing to be desired so who would I be to criticize?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmLlNFSbYkIRNovR-notQqA6IFf7RRb5wjLxJzG1kTkOTeXORZaUwviiZ5IBtLaAhXcJc&usqp=CAU)
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Now if U2 did a Deep Purple cover, that would be something. Not sure what that 'something' would be, but it would be something.
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Despite my previous slamming, they captured this one well, better than anybody else I can think*** of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCaZT9UyzkE
***Honorary mention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2vHbXI2p4k
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This fellow is on the FB Thunderbird group.
Jimmie Randall, right?
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He probably changed his name so he is no longer identified with the ever so slightly risqué inner sleeve of their third album ...
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/27524d00bb23cff6955a35b00888902e/tumblr_o112j506jo1sy8inco3_r1_500.jpg)
I sure would have! :mrgreen:
That inner sleeve was - even back then - awful in so many ways, it's easy to lose count.
Not that the outside gatefold cover was much better ...
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/249f789e1f43cdaf60d29320077d65b6/tumblr_o112j506jo1sy8inco2_r1_1280.jpg)
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Nice 8)
Some good cushion for pushing there. Reminds me of the old lady :vader:
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Whole Swervedriver show here with Mick Quinn from Supergrass and his 2014 Thunderbird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joZYZxoOfa0
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Nice 8)
Some good cushion for pushing there. Reminds me of the old lady :vader:
For the benefit of our more junior members, one innocent question must be allowed: You don't keep by any chance a lot of edding markers around the house?
This forum is a caleidoscope of glistening - in some cases even illustrative - sin. :-X
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Can’t say that I do. Might be a fun idea to try some. If I do, should I post pics of the recreation here? ???
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We're not that kind of a place!!! :mrgreen:
And sending wife pics gets you in all kinds of trouble, just think of Alex, that fearless purveyor of factual truth.
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Of course I was kidding and couldn’t do such a thing to my wonderful partner especially after she served me blueberry pie on my birthday. She’s also brought our daughter into this world who is the light of my life and the best thing that ever happened to me.
No comment in regards to Alex.
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Whole Swervedriver show here with Mick Quinn from Supergrass and his 2014 Thunderbird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joZYZxoOfa0
Didn't they used to have two bass players?
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I can't say I know much about Swervedriver. I know Girls Against Boys has two bass players.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGV1KsNLHzM
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Has this appeared here before?
https://youtu.be/0nyvq0Yj5g0
I'd never heard of these guys but it's where Blaze Bailey started, best known for fronting Iron Maiden for a while in the 90s.
The song seems pleasant enough but kind of musically nonsensical, like a bunch of riffs arbitrarily stitched together.
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Has this appeared here before?
https://youtu.be/0nyvq0Yj5g0
I'd never heard of these guys but it's where Blaze Bailey started, best known for fronting Iron Maiden for a while in the 90s.
The song seems pleasant enough but kind of musically nonsensical, like a bunch of riffs arbitrarily stitched together.
I'd only read about them. Vocally it seems like it's much inspired by David Lee Roth-era Van Halen.
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I'd only read about them. Vocally it seems like it's much inspired by David Lee Roth-era Van Halen.
Whatever it's inspired by, there isn't much to be said for the vocals on that video.
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I've never heard Wolfsbane before, but judging from this vid what was Steve Harris thinking hiring this guy to follow Bruce Dickinson? Just from that one song it's clear that Blaze has a limited range and tendency to sing flat - both of which with Iron Maiden is toxic. If anything, an Iron Maiden singer needs to sing sharp (like many metal singers do).
For the most part, he sounds awful here (and he's again mostly flat which makes a lot of his vocal lines sound tuneless), and I'm not a Blaze hater nor an Iron Maiden lover, but he was obviously forced into an impossible situation. Poor guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXMxwkecHJ0
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Bruce Dickinson is a tough act to follow.
It's hard to imagine who could have done an Iron Maiden tour without being a disappointment. Dio could have for sure.
At least Blaze seems to have a healthy attitude about it all, and it seems the band has continued to be respectful. Not always the case in these situations.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/blaze-bayley-iron-maiden-1393404/
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Even Dio wouldn't have had the necessary high range - he was essentially a baritone singer with a reasonably high range in addition, but when he sang really high/falsetto his voice wasn't forceful but mawkish. It was part of the reason why Blackmore kicked him out, he wanted a Lou Gramm type falsetto screamer for the envisaged new AOR direction of Rainbow, Dio - a great singer with other strengths - couldn't provide that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVtSDJqxRFo
Dickinson is a tenor - as is his (admitted) role model Ian Gillan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHtqSGf9yvk
Halford could have done it, but Iron Maiden and Judas Priest were actually too close for that, it would have been as if a Beatle had joined the Stones or the other way around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP62_1RH6Jc
Geoff Tate perhaps? He had both the drama and the range.
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I hadn't realized about Dio's range. He had the drama, the vibrato, the power, and the control - I think he had more in those departments than most hard rock / metal singers. But if you can't get that high "run for your life" it's not going to sound like Iron Maiden. Interesting that they thought Bayley was their best choice out of all the people they tried.
Halford could hit those notes - but his tone just doesn't work for me in that context. That mashup you posted is funny, but it just doesn't sound right to my ears.
My brain insists that Halford actually guested with Iron Maiden at some point where Dickinson was sick or something, but it appears I invented that!
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Geoff Tate makes sense. Didn't 'queen of the reich' surface when dickinson joined maiden?
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Iron Maiden would never hire a non-British (or even non-English) singer. They are too proud of their English identity.
There was talk of Michael Kiske (Helloween) joining them back then. But he was obviously too German 😂
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Paul Di'Anno would've been an interesting replacement.
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My brain insists that Halford actually guested with Iron Maiden at some point where Dickinson was sick or something, but it appears I invented that!
Nope, you probably meant Sabbath, Rob has stepped in for Dio (when he didn't want to sing as an opener to his predecessor on Ozzfest) and for Ozzy directly (when the latter was out of it for a gig) with them.
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Even Dio wouldn't have had the necessary high range - he was essentially a baritone singer with a reasonably high range in addition, but when he sang really high/falsetto his voice wasn't forceful but mawkish. It was part of the reason why Blackmore kicked him out, he wanted a Lou Gramm type falsetto screamer for the envisaged new AOR direction of Rainbow, Dio - a great singer with other strengths - couldn't provide that.
Other strengths, indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nd78Fzt5YY
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Somewhere, behind all those many notes Uli plays, there is a TBird II valiantly battling on and played by Ule Ritgen who played bass with early Electric Sun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPD_rIpvlX8
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Jamie Stewart and ebony Bicentennial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oRwlSIn918
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Steve with a Bicentennial, back when Sweet decided that they no longer wanted to sound like Deep Purple, but more like 10cc ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXJ4TZSXtzc
Clever arrangement and bass track prominently mixed, what's not to like?
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Pete Agnew sporting a Thunderbird on a German TV show in 1975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef2SLZdhNrY
RIP Dan MCCafferty
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Objection!!! Since when is Austria Germany you darn Vlaamse? :mrgreen:
It's been a while since this was different ...
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Oh oops. My bad. :)
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No issue. We'll get there.
Again.
Someday.
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Nope, you probably meant Sabbath, Rob has stepped in for Dio (when he didn't want to sing as an opener to his predecessor on Ozzfest) and for Ozzy directly (when the latter was out of it for a gig) with them.
I was at Irvine Meadows Pacific Amphitheater, in Southern CA, for that show. I found it kind of fun for novelty sake, but I don't think that pairing would ever have worked. I was bummed that Ronnie refused to share a stage with Ozzy.
Edit made because my 30 year old memories were a little fuzzy. Imagine that!
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Great as Halford is, he sounds best within Priest.
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Sums up what I consider to be a great bass line should be: melodic, rhythmically interesting, immediately catchy, yet also simple and played here with a modern day TBird:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUT9IbCdLk8
With vocals & violins, but sans TBird ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UDUHcF6a44
A soul number by Paul Stanley long before there was his Soul Station. Is it just my ears or is Tommy Thayer's lead line towards the end flat, flat, flatter than hell?
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No one rocks with a TBird like the mighty Wombles!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JhVkWNHaU4
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Rex Brown and his T bird in action. Good to see Pantera giving it a go again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V55_EY1-3AA
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Terry Hall died yesterday.
I'm now on a trip down memory lane, checking out some live videos of The Specials.
I was a huge fan when I was 12/13 years old back in 1980 /1981
Horace Panter used a Thunderbird on the 30th anniversary reunion tour.
Love the energy. What a band!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9GnGMQz22A
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Anthony Jones with a 60ies TBird in a latter-day "and then there were two" (Marriott & Shirley) Humple Pie line-up together with Jeff Beck alumni Bobby Tench. "Performance - Rockin' the Fillmore" it wasn't, but not bad either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhBoZ5vZGr4
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I actually saw Humble Pie in 1980. I'm assuming it's this same lineup. Fun show with Mahogany Rush and Angel.
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I'm assuming it's this same lineup.
Easy, two black guys were in the band then (the only time in Humble Pie's history), an Englishman on lead guitar and co-lead vocals and a Yank on bass. That last line-up never changed, and Marriott was finally playing with the people he had appropriated his style from. But as a concert draw, Humble Pie were beyond their prime by then and the approaching 80ies just weren't a good time for their jammy arena blues rock. Marriott's alcoholism and drug consumption did not help either.
Glenn Hughes wanted Dave "Clem" Clempson as Ritchie's replacement in Purple and he actually jammed/auditioned with them, but the band felt that Dave - though he played beautifully - lacked flamboyant star quality and wasn't the dominant songwriter they were looking for to fill the gap left by Ritchie. Enter Tommy Bolin who seemed to have all that in spades. Though given the strength of Clempson's songwriting on the Rough Diamond album with David Byron I sometimes wonder whether a DP album with his compositional input would not have been at least interesting.
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Yeah, I definitely remember the black bass player. I don't remember the T-bird, but that was a long time ago.
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The Speedsters in 1974 sans Herr Cronin (his both succ- and prede-cessor Mike Murphy - REO's third lead vocalist in their recorded phase - sings as Cronin would rejoin after Murphy's departure), but with a TB II Rev played very smoothly by Gregg Philbin, the man they criminally kicked out for allegedly overplaying and perhaps not looking the part. :-\
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/gregg-philbin-reo-speedwagon-dead/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuECp89Ya_8
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REO was a good, heartland, rock 'n roll band, and Gregg was a great bass player. They slid down into the syrupy, reverb-drenched AOR style in the early 80s.
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But they did try rearrangements once in a while!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJqdhHtm9ig
Cronin - love him or hate him - had a highly recognizable voice. Most of the major AOR bands actually did. People said they all sound the same (and the ingredients were similar), but once the lead vocals set in, you were never in two minds whether you were hearing REO, Foreigner, Styx, Toto or Journey.
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It's hard to beat Kevin Cronin's voice. Here he is with his daughter. (This could also go under the Les Paul bass section.)
https://youtu.be/-WhEZujfWHI
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She has more timbre than her dad!
But I'm not knocking Cronin, never my favorite AOR singer (I'm more the Steve Perry guy), he does what he does well.
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Cronin's voice had quite a purity when he was in his prime. But singing in your 20s is way easier than in your 70s. Very few can pull off that feat. Very few. There are a few exceptions. Maybe Biff Byford would be one. It's just that a lot of people have never seemed to like Saxon very much, though. I can't say that Biff does better than Wishbone Ash, but I think he does a pretty good job on this.
https://youtu.be/zpOULjyy-n8
https://youtu.be/qmEydhSG94g
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I think anyone with a hard rock heart should like Saxon - Biff is quite the character -, the issue is just that no one takes them quite seriously! They are like everyone's pet NWOBM survivor that is "also" liked, but never attained either the mass popularity of Iron Maiden or the critics' appeal of Judas Priest.
I've seen them a couple of times over the decades, they never fail to entertain. I love Suzy Hold On, which is gloriously dumb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxuA4SFpRos
The newer stuff holds up well too (with TBird content, so we're right back on track! ;) ).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyd-rShfsHM
Speaking of 70+ olds that can still sing/deliver like they were young, Herr Hughes is a wonder of nature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUSbS0y3CV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woZWK3-5CqI
Hearing Burn or Mistreated without a dominant Hammond is a weird sensation for an old DP warhorse like me, but I appreciate David Lowy's chugging-choppy, almost punkish rhythm guitar to it. Purple music with a rhythm guitar is rare.
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I can only speak for myself, and certainly not for an entire country, but I think Americans never quite bought into that idea that Saxon should be taken lightly. They're just another NWOBHM band--nothing more and nothing less. Besides that, if nothing else, Biff's singing, like we've noted, is still actually pretty good. That's just not something that can be taken for granted.
Glenn Hughes, not only still sounds young, but even looks younger than his years. He has definitely been doing something right or maybe it's all just genetics. Whatever it is, it's obviously something very much to his advantage and something anyone would wish for.
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Mind you, he's been living in California since the mid-70ies! Which means: new & very white teeth (= heavy dental), new hair, new knees, efficient rehabs and whaterver else needed to be done. But behind all that exterior there is some real talent and a voice holding up of the Brummie boy who was named by his parents after Glenn Miller.
BTW, Papa Biff makes music with his spawn too, helps out on bass (a Ric!) and harmony vocals, keeping in the background, a good father ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2wRu6doikI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llpFF-egdKo
Meanwhile, ex-members from the original line-up keep busy too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nk8vWmTK-Q
For the more traditionally-minded among you ... :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKk3Sqmn1c4
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That's really good stuff. I need to order that Heavy Water CD now.
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You resident metalhead! :mrgreen:
But actually that Heavy Water album is quite good and not just an example of raging nepotism. And some would say that Junior has a more variable voice than Dad ever had, not that Biff's vocals are without charm.
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Too often nepotism is involved; that is true. In this case, real talent is obviously there. I just now ordered the CD.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuZc4Yp296k
We will be the warmup act for Electric Boys on March 25. Should be fun.
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Odd Custom Shop model?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TVDVM6m6b4
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It looks like the G2 gene Simmons tbird.
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It looks like the G2 gene Simmons tbird.
I think you're right.
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This concert took place in 2016 so maybe an inspiration for the Gene-bird?
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The young man playing that TBird, in case you wondered, is Jared Followill of the Kings of Leon who also performed Take It Easy in the vid.
https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/9086587v/cdd14241/Shutterstock_9086587v.jpg
Jared, widely recognized as the heartthrob by the (sizable) female demographic of the band's fan base, has been avidly playing TBirds for so long now, he just needs to place a call with the Gibson Custom Shop to get what he wants. Or perhaps his bass tech does it all, watch here at 00:40 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLBG6acwCHc
(https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000k5swa2nBJz4/s/850/680/Kings-of-Leon-Final-Four-Tour-2997.jpg)
(https://images.equipboard.com/uploads/user/image/2450/big_jared-followill.jpg?v=1675177154)
(https://townsquare.media/site/443/files/2012/09/Jared-Followill.jpg?w=980&q=75)
I don't think he would want to be caught near anything associated with Gene Simmons. (Plus, a G2 would have featured the SG-Z type fretboard inlays - and not just dots - as well as a Hipshot bridge, but Jared apparently does fine with the holy immaculate three-point which is such a conundrum to many here ... :P )
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I miss the good old days when the Kings of Leon were like a bunch of unreconstructed farm boys who had never seen a mirror or much of the outside world. They were weird and everywhere when I was a teenager.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN7UoC5X0AEXGvs.jpg)
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On that first album they couldn't even play - it made the New York Dolls debut sound like Weather Report. The second album was still of largely robust nature, only by the third one were they playing music and from then on they grew and grew. I bought all their albums just to hear them develop.
Jared was the first one to turn purdy. He also mastered the bass pretty quickly given that he had not really played the instrument before they recorded their debut.
He was always pretty much a Gibson guy, started with a 70ies EB-3 (finger-played) and moved on to TBirds and a pick as their music reached the arenas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjXoooFr9bM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULi6-Qbt0BE
(https://c8.alamy.com/compde/2hbjekn/jared-followill-von-der-band-kings-of-leon-tritt-auf-der-buhne-wahrend-des-zusatzlichen-londoner-termins-ihrer-tour-auf-und-schliesst-ihr-zweites-album-aha-shake-heartbreak-ein-das-heute-in-der-carling-academy-islington-am-1-november-in-london-erscheint-caleb-followill-sanger-und-jared-followill-bassgitarre-2hbjekn.jpg)
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This video features a Spector Thunderbird and boobies. Not the blue footed kind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM6xASUJbhI
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They sure are looking old. Are they in their 90s now?
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I don't know what's worse - hair metal, or hair metal parody?
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Steel Panther had their 15 minutes of being funny. Long ago.
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Jamie Stewart and ebony Bicentennial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oRwlSIn918
ooh thank you for that, Jamie Stweart was one half of the reason I took up bass, but by Sonic Temple they had got too "american" for 20 year old me.
I very rarely played sonic temple even when I had Cult Freak painted on the back of my jacket, and this was it as its most schmaltsy.
oddly enough 50 year old me likes it more
and definitely the best use of Ciao Baby in a song.
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https://youtu.be/obDk115TkTg
I'm not sure this vid is in one of the million posts here.
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While I have always liked the song, even reading the lyrics while listening to it I'm totally clue-free as to what it means. That's true of a great deal of music...another recent one is Kate Bush's "Running up that hill". The music is very cool and listenable, but lyrics mean nothing to me, and the video doesn't help.
A recent article says: “It's about a relationship between a man and a woman. They love each other very much, and the power of the relationship is something that gets in the way. It creates insecurities...” “It's saying, if the man could be the woman and the woman the man, if they could make a deal with God, to change places, that they'd understand what it's like to be the other person and perhaps it would clear up misunderstandings. You know, all the little problems; there would be no problem”.
My response? ...OK...whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp43OdtAAkM
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True, lots of cool sounding meaningless pop lyrics.
They can't all be Neil Peart, you know :)
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If you don't understand them or if you don't like them, it doesn't mean they're meaningless.
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Thunderbird and Firebird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffHhrfDyisY
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While I have always liked the song, even reading the lyrics while listening to it I'm totally clue-free as to what it means. That's true of a great deal of music...another recent one is Kate Bush's "Running up that hill". The music is very cool and listenable, but lyrics mean nothing to me, and the video doesn't help.
A recent article says: “It's about a relationship between a man and a woman. They love each other very much, and the power of the relationship is something that gets in the way. It creates insecurities...” “It's saying, if the man could be the woman and the woman the man, if they could make a deal with God, to change places, that they'd understand what it's like to be the other person and perhaps it would clear up misunderstandings. You know, all the little problems; there would be no problem”.
My response? ...OK...whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp43OdtAAkM
Aber Pilgrim!!! Where were you when you should have had text analysis in English class?
Compared to a lot of outright nonsensical or overly abstract lyrics, the words of Running Up That Hill are actually quite concrete and the (nicely done) modern dance-vid is almost didactic in its effort to bring the message of the song across: the dance represents the couple's struggles, when they do archers' poses it alludes to Cupid and their love for one another, but there are always issues of men being one way and women another - hence the groups of men and women wearing a portrait of Kate or her partner as masks. It's a constant struggle, running up that hill, running up that road, running up a building to reach/stay in touch with someone of the other sex. I think that's actually a pretty profound, deep and very adult way of looking at the issues a man/woman relationship faces. And the music transports that too, there is something longing, yearning, struggling in the music and that galloping rhythm.
That said, when I first heard the song, I thought Kate's deal with God entailed swapping places with Him - which I felt was an interesting idea as well.
High marks for using the beautifully literary word asunder in a song text.
And Heart's Barracuda is in the tried and trusted tradition of rock bands having a go at their management/record ompany once they have become estranged from them (as fishes go, Barracudas don't have the best image), other examples are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQX-U7tAepY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKas0OztpI4
In Heart's case, Ann's rage was not only about money:
Ann Wilson revealed in interviews that the song was about Heart's anger towards Mushroom Records, who as a publicity stunt released a made-up story of an incestuous affair involving Ann and her sister Nancy Wilson. The song particularly focuses on Ann's rage towards a male radio promoter who came up to her after a concert asking how her "lover" was. She initially thought he was talking about her boyfriend, band manager Michael Fisher. After he revealed he was talking about her sister Nancy, Ann became outraged, went back to her hotel room, and wrote the original lyrics of the song.[3]
Producer Mike Flicker added that Mushroom Records was so obtuse in the contract negotiations that Heart decided to discard the album they were working on, Magazine—which the label still released in an unfinished form—and instead sign with the newly formed Portrait Records to make another record, Little Queen. As Flicker put it, "'Barracuda' was created conceptually out of a lot of this record business bullshit. Barracuda could be anyone from the local promotion man to the president of a record company. That is the barracuda. It was born out of that whole experience."[4]
The riff, btw, is ripped off from Nazareth's cover of Joni Mitchell's This Flight Tonight as Heart themselves have readily admitted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dvgh3rySPg
Not that they were the first to purloin that galloping guitar idea ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se9-HI_VjwE
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as fishes go, Barracudas don't have the best image
That kinda funny. I'm a pretty serious scuba diver and barracuda are always fun to see. Never a threat to humans. Rarely even are sharks, for that matter. I'm around them all the time.
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But I personally like Barracudas! They remind me of pikes, which I also like. My favorite fish are sharks, sturgeons, catfish, pikes, eels - more the predator or bottom dweller guys really. I even have a handful of sturgeons and a (white/yellowish, though not albino) solitary catfish (they don't like the company of their own species) in my pond + a couple of eels. The larger sturgeons and the catfish are all in the 4 foot range by now and the catfish will no doubt continue to grow (European catfish are much larger than North American ones, up to 10 feet or even more)
(https://raubfisch.de/wp-content/uploads/sites/6//old_images/1209_13_20051017091142.jpg)
(https://www.blinker.de/content/uploads/2014/10/Mandarinwaller15.web_.jpg)
If mine ever reaches that size I will no doubt have an impact on my pond fish population at large. :mrgreen: But so far I have yet to see mine attack, much less devour another fish, lazy bum prefers those expensive sturgeon food pellets! Supposedly, it grows by a third of its initial body length during every season (it hibernates in the older months here in Europe and stops eating, coming as it does originally from warmer climates in Asia, but they have been in Western Europe for hundreds if not thousands of years and adapted well).
There was a time in the 60ies when Barracudas were ill-reputed to attack divers if they wore something silver (probably mistaking it for prey fish reflecting in the sea). Dunno if there is any truth to that, but I couldn't really see a Barracuda seriously hurt someone except maybe a good scare and a small flesh wound. But while man is the worst predator on earth, humans do have a tendency to identify other predators with something bad.
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Sturgeon are funny. Ancient creatures. Terrible eyesight from what I understand. I'm on the volunteer dive team at the NY Aquarium and you have to watch out for the sturgeon because they'll bump into you. Humans ruin everything. Humans kill something like 100 million sharks per year, but sharks kill fewer than 10 humans per year.
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Britney Spears once said: 'No, not all of my songs are about love. Some are about parties.' Love that! :)
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Britney is an airhead and a tragic figure. She does deserve to live her own life though, never mind how misguided her own decisions are.
Of all the Aguileras, Rihannas, Arianas, Kylies and other chick dance acts, I found Britney's music, lyrics, choreography and jailbait image always the least compelling.
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Britney is an airhead and a tragic figure. She does deserve to live her own life though, never mind how misguided her own decisions are.
Of all the Aguileras, Rihannas, Arianas, Kylies and other chick dance acts, I found Britney's music, lyrics, choreography and jailbait image always the least compelling.
One of the weirdest concepts that I love is that Taylor Swift is one of the most influential guitarists because of the number of young girls she's inspired to pick up a guitar.
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I don't see Taylor Swift as a dance act at all though she has dominant choreography elements at times too, especially live.
And I have all her albums (for the avoidance of doubt: no, I do not yet identify as a 14-year-old girl, and you can stick to my previous pronouns he/him). She's a phenomenon and an artist. I actually found out about her first here at the LBO when we discussed Kim K's cerebral and always perceptive ex-hubby's award inanities with Fräulein Swift back in 2009. It was when I bought her first two CDs just to hear what she was like.
Britney was/is a product/object of the powers that be in comparison. More than any other of the dance act girls I can think of. Yes, you can get the girl out of the trailer park, but ...
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It's difficult to separate given the number of high-profile co-writers, but I have the impression that Taylor Swift is a really substantial songwriter.
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There is a sort of samey recipe in her songwriting (or maybe I'm just too old to really detect the vast variation), she's not the Carole King or Joni Mitchell of her generation nor vocally an Ella Fitzgerald. But the music isn't without any merit either.
On one of her more recent albums was a bonus CD with her very rudimentary ideas which she apparently stores off the top of her head on her iPhone as the whim strikes her. Often just an a cappella melody, jingles really - before all the synth layers and fashionable "beats" are added. That was interesting to hear and doesn't let me doubt that her music stems from mostly her ideas.
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Britney Spears ifs the poster child for white trash.
Taylor Swift is probably the best spokesperson autotune manufacturers have ever had.
She's in fine voice here, though.
https://youtu.be/-aLYvZ5sX28
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Britney Spears ifs the poster child for white trash.
Taylor Swift is probably the best spokesperson autotune manufacturers have ever had.
She's in fine voice here, though.
https://youtu.be/-aLYvZ5sX28
Kinda reminds me of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVfJOwoFdrk
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"Taylor Swift is probably the best spokesperson autotune manufacturers have ever had."
I know. On a lot of current female dance and other pop it seems to have become a constant stylistic element irrespective of whether it is needed for the protagonists to hit the notes or not. It has become a de rigueur sound component for female voices almost like distortion/overdrive is a sound component of rock guitar. Used so unsparingly and overtly, it cheapens the music in my ears. It's like fake lashes, you hear/see it at once, what is the point?
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My sons listen to rap music that is really drowned in it.
The point is obviously not to make the "singing" sound good.
As Uwe said; it sounds horribly cheap to my ears.
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Still, Taylor Swift is talented. So is Billy Joel. Britney? I don't think so.
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I tend to judge singers based on their solo sound, not when they sing in chorus with backups. I've not heard enough of Swift singing solo to decide whether or not I consider her a good singer.
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No visual, but 1964 Thunderbird IV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZK-5qCdto
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Epic-Symphonic-Indie-Thrash-Metal with an ethereal voice. And a soapbar TBird. You couldn't be playing this kind of music with a 60ies Bird, much less a Bicentennial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IF1CJNUxG4
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Epic-Symphonic-Indie-Thrash-Metal with an ethereal voice. And a soapbar TBird. You couldn't be playing this kind of music with a 60ies Bird, much less a Bicentennial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IF1CJNUxG4
Frankly, I don't think it matters a whole lot in this case. The garden variety Epi bolt-on he's playing doesn't really have a unique, singular voice. While one couldn't probably appreciate the nuances of a more traditional Thunderbird in this sonic setting, I don't think the music would be impacted to any great degree. With the right amp, I think even a Bicentennial would hold its own. Given the, um, physical nature of the material, probably best to use something with a neck that is held on by screws, though.
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Epic-Symphonic-Indie-Thrash-Metal with an ethereal voice. And a soapbar TBird. You couldn't be playing this kind of music with a 60ies Bird, much less a Bicentennial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IF1CJNUxG4
I need to start wearing a hood on stage.
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Frankly, I don't think it matters a whole lot in this case. The garden variety Epi bolt-on he's playing doesn't really have a unique, singular voice. While one couldn't probably appreciate the nuances of a more traditional Thunderbird in this sonic setting, I don't think the music would be impacted to any great degree. With the right amp, I think even a Bicentennial would hold its own. Given the, um, physical nature of the material, probably best to use something with a neck that is held on by screws, though.
Oops, my bad, I didn't realize he was (only) playing an Epi (of the regular kind), I thought it was a Gibson with TB Plus soapies for the sublow impact, didn't recognize the telltale Epi pups with the beveled edges. Goes to show that with the right amp, you can pretty much play anything and still have a workable sound.
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Oops, my bad, I didn't realize he was (only) playing an Epi (of the regular kind), I thought it was a Gibson with TB Plus soapies for the sublow impact, didn't recognize the telltale Epi pups with the beveled edges. Goes to show that with the right amp, you can pretty much play anything and still have a workable sound.
No question. The amplifier (and speaker cab) is a huge component of one's sound - and often overlooked as such. Some people want the amp to be a mirror image of the instrument's core tone, but I always look for the unique coloration that most great amps have. Never cared much for "direct" bass sounds, either, live or in studio - I always requested a mic in both settings. I even got to the point of carrying an SM57 with me just in case.
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Exactly. Unique coloration it is. I did'nt realize until I found my perfect amp how much the previous amps colorised my sound. I want an amp/cab which does not put like the same rug on my sound. It should be noticed that I've plugged in a different bass but not to the degree a bass DI'd directly would sound. I always carried a D112 until I discovered that the amp's slave output actually taps the signal right off the output transformer (Orange AD200B) which eleminates (to my ears at least) the need for any cab simulation because the impulse response is reflected in the output transformer. Gigged last weekend and had yet another sound tech complimenting me on my bass sound. He actually wanted to mic the cab initially which is rare.
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No question. The amplifier (and speaker cab) is a huge component of one's sound - and often overlooked as such. Some people want the amp to be a mirror image of the instrument's core tone, but I always look for the unique coloration that most great amps have. Never cared much for "direct" bass sounds, either, live or in studio - I always requested a mic in both settings. I even got to the point of carrying an SM57 with me just in case.
1000%. I've probably said it here already, but I've recently come to the realization that my amp is at least as important as my bass when it comes to getting the tone I like.
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1000%. I've probably said it here already, but I've recently come to the realization that my amp is at least as important as my bass when it comes to getting the tone I like.
This is why I had a preamp pedal for an amp I really like made for me, to keep on my board. Since I play out in NYC, usually have to use the house amp, and rarely use the same amp twice, I need to have all my tonal stuff on my board. So more often than not, I'm using a GK 800RB. But if the amp has no FX loop, then I have to settle for what I can quickly get out of the amp du jour.
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The amp was always 50% of my sound.
Really a collaboration of the bass and the amp.
I used a full tube amp to get the desired amount of saturation of the power tubes (in combination with the lo-z Les Paul Bass).
For that reason I always brought my own Shure Beta 52A mic.
To make sure the amp signal went to the sound board.
Later I used the Ext Amp out on the Ampeg V4B as the slave-out to a Markbass SB450 that I used as a slave.
Each amp with its own speaker.
I used the Markbass to get some tight low end (from its assigned speaker) because the V4B would go into overdrive too much when cranked up loud.
And from that Markbass slave I took the Direct Out to send to the sound board. Which would still be the V4B character basically.
But for lots of bass players the amp is just a monitor. They want it to add zero color. In which case a DI is enough.
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All of my amps sound completely different. Some are trickier to dial in than others . Many have a built in mid scoop. My Bergantino is by far the most transparent. And I’ve been running a tube preamp with that …
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The amp was always 50% of my sound.
Really a collaboration of the bass and the amp.
I used a full tube amp to get the desired amount of saturation of the power tubes (in combination with the lo-z Les Paul Bass).
For that reason I always brought my own Shure Beta 52A mic.
To make sure the amp signal went to the sound board.
Later I used the Ext Amp out on the Ampeg V4B as the slave-out to a Markbass SB450 that I used as a slave.
Each amp with its own speaker.
I used the Markbass to get some tight low end (from its assigned speaker) because the V4B would go into overdrive too much when cranked up loud.
And from that Markbass slave I took the Direct Out to send to the sound board. Which would still be the V4B character basically.
But for lots of bass players the amp is just a monitor. They want it to add zero color. In which case a DI is enough.
That’s pretty much how I’m using the Berg these days , I plug the preamp into the effect return and totally bypass the Berg tone stack so it’s strictly the back end. But it gives me a 700 watt at 4 ohm slam. I can dial the tube pre to any degree of warmth I’m looking for without distortion. The three phase EQ of the pre is a Baxandall, similar to that used in the Ampeg SVT.
And I have tons of headroom.
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The amp was always 50% of my sound.
Really a collaboration of the bass and the amp.
I used a full tube amp to get the desired amount of saturation of the power tubes (in combination with the lo-z Les Paul Bass).
For that reason I always brought my own Shure Beta 52A mic.
To make sure the amp signal went to the sound board.
Later I used the Ext Amp out on the Ampeg V4B as the slave-out to a Markbass SB450 that I used as a slave.
Each amp with its own speaker.
I used the Markbass to get some tight low end (from its assigned speaker) because the V4B would go into overdrive too much when cranked up loud.
And from that Markbass slave I took the Direct Out to send to the sound board. Which would still be the V4B character basically.
But for lots of bass players the amp is just a monitor. They want it to add zero color. In which case a DI is enough.
The V4/V4B is still my favorite amp - the preamp section is just magic. A Bicentennial Thunderbird and one of those heads through a flatback 810 was "my" sound for years. When I had shows that required using someone else's rig, I bought a used Peavey Alpha tube bass preamp that got me in the ballpark. Still looking for a lightweight head that will do the V4 grind, but there is something on the horizon that looks very promising...
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That’s pretty much exactly what Monique does.
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The V4/V4B is still my favorite amp - the preamp section is just magic. A Bicentennial Thunderbird and one of those heads through a flatback 810 was "my" sound for years. When I had shows that required using someone else's rig, I bought a used Peavey Alpha tube bass preamp that got me in the ballpark. Still looking for a lightweight head that will do the V4 grind, but there is something on the horizon that looks very promising...
Did you run it into the FX Return or the front input? I've never gotten a good sound running my preamp into the input. I guess because it's one preamp into another.
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Did you run it into the FX Return or the front input? I've never gotten a good sound running my preamp into the input. I guess because it's one preamp into another.
Yeah, I almost always plug the preamp into the FX return or the "power amp in" jack (preferred). Alternatively, if there is a padded (-15db) input out front, I'll use that. That will not bypass the tone stack, though, so I try to set the power amp flat and go from there.
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Yeah, I almost always plug the preamp into the FX return or the "power amp in" jack (preferred). Alternatively, if there is a padded (-15db) input out front, I'll use that. That will not bypass the tone stack, though, so I try to set the power amp flat and go from there.
Ah, the padded switch or input is a great idea I hadn't thought of. One problem with an amp you've never used is not knowing where flat is. It's not always 12:00. And a lot of amps have tons of switches and sliders.
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"But for lots of bass players the amp is just a monitor. They want it to add zero color. In which case a DI is enough."
Guilty as charged. Decently fresh strings, my pick, the way I play & and a rig that is not broken and has sufficient headroom (it doesn't even have to be my own one, I'll gladly play over someone else's). Bass setting between 3 and 6 o'clock, mids between 12 and 2 o'clock, treble/presence again between 3 and 6 o'clock on any amp. That's all I need. No preamp. I don't even really have a preferred bass. And I still sound so much "Uwe" over each and every amp I play it is sometimes pitiful/laughable. (That said, I don't like to hear my bass over the monitors, possibly just because I like to hear my bass sound coming from behind and not from upfront.)
When I read about your discerning and particular tastes in amps and preamps, I always feel terribly inadequate and wonder what is wrong with me. I have never been attached to amps. And in my 44 years of bass playing I've only owned about ten of them (Dynacord, H&H, Reußenzehn Mk I, Yamaha, Reußenzehn Mk II, Ashdown JAE Sig, Ampeg SVT, Roland, Markbass and Orange).
Come to think of it, speakers are more important to me than amps. I frown at rigs that don't have at least one 15" inch speaker, I even coupled my Ampeg "refrigerator" with a 1x18" subwoofer (from Ampeg as well) because the sub-lows of the 810 left me unconvinced. I've never seen anybody else do that, but the gain in oomph was marked.
Currently, I play 1x15", 2x12" (or 2x2x12" to be exact as two speakers are packed behind the other two) and 2x10" speakers. I've downsized. My peak was 2x18", 1x15" and 4x10" with occasional addition of a 1x or 2x12" mid bin(s). That offered reliable headroom and moved some air. :mrgreen: You didn't even need to turn it up loud. You simply were EVERYWHERE when you played over it. I know it's against the trend of the times, but I don't like to stand in the 'sound tunnel' of a comparatively small speaker cone area blaring at me (like many guitarists do), I like to be immersed in a (not too loud) indirect sound all around me.
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"But for lots of bass players the amp is just a monitor. They want it to add zero color. In which case a DI is enough."
Guilty as charged. Decently fresh strings, my pick, the way I play & and a rig that is not broken and has sufficient headroom (it doesn't even have to be my own one, I'll gladly play over someone else's).
Funny. When I played at the Bowery Electric, which is one of the better-known venues I've played at, the house 410 was actually a 310 because one speaker was busted. I asked how long it was like that and was told about a year. :-/
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That's why I say: It has to be fully functional! The best sounding venue- or promoter-owned rig I ever played was a Genz Benz combo, that just sounded amazing. But generally the "play someone else's rig"-scenario only materializes when I try to accommodate some guy from another band who is adamant that he can only play over his own rig (while the venue has stipulated that bands don't waste time changing the back line if more than one plays). I then go: "Whatever, is it any good and in working order?" Of course, anyone is welcome to play over my rig too, I'm not particular about that either (and I of course keep it in working order).
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Full bass, full treble. Maybe a little midrange. 4 on the channel volume. Almost full blast on the master. That's how I like it. With the bass sound creeping up from the floor, through your feet, and up your leg. To wherever it want to go.
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Here playing the mid sized venues you’re going to do three fifty minute sets , and you are the warm up act. As often as not you will not be in the PA , and you’ll mix the stage sound from the stage.
And most people manage a good stage mix and room sound.
So your amp becomes everything.
I’ve come to prefer the sound of a good live band to everything going to a board and having separate stage and front mixes.
There’s no back line provided. Just a small PA. Often without monitors.
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This is why I had a preamp pedal for an amp I really like made for me, to keep on my board. Since I play out in NYC, usually have to use the house amp, and rarely use the same amp twice, I need to have all my tonal stuff on my board. So more often than not, I'm using a GK 800RB. But if the amp has no FX loop, then I have to settle for what I can quickly get out of the amp du jour.
I use a Tech 21 VT Bass DI to mimic my amp tone in an all-analog format, and it is amazing. I don't worry about a mic anymore, but I'll welcome one if offered. This gives me the "all tonal stuff on the board". Even if I'm dealt an amp I don't love, I can run the affected 1/4'' out of the VT Bass into the power amp in, or even the front end if I have to. For my own rig, I run the parallel out (unaffected) to the front of the amp.
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Agreed!
Have you seen my boost pedal I use? Kinda related.
https://www.modulargrid.net/p/other-unknown-bsri-audio-sick-set-dude
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"But for lots of bass players the amp is just a monitor. They want it to add zero color. In which case a DI is enough."
Guilty as charged. Decently fresh strings, my pick, the way I play & and a rig that is not broken and has sufficient headroom (it doesn't even have to be my own one, I'll gladly play over someone else's). Bass setting between 3 and 6 o'clock, mids between 12 and 2 o'clock, treble/presence again between 3 and 6 o'clock on any amp. That's all I need. No preamp. I don't even really have a preferred bass. And I still sound so much "Uwe" over each and every amp I play it is sometimes pitiful/laughable. (That said, I don't like to hear my bass over the monitors, possibly just because I like to hear my bass sound coming from behind and not from upfront.)
When I read about your discerning and particular tastes in amps and preamps, I always feel terribly inadequate and wonder what is wrong with me. I have never been attached to amps. And in my 44 years of bass playing I've only owned about ten of them (Dynacord, H&H, Reußenzehn Mk I, Yamaha, Reußenzehn Mk II, Ashdown JAE Sig, Ampeg SVT, Roland, Markbass and Orange).
Come to think of it, speakers are more important to me than amps. I frown at rigs that don't have at least one 15" inch speaker, I even coupled my Ampeg "refrigerator" with a 1x18" subwoofer (from Ampeg as well) because the sub-lows of the 810 left me unconvinced. I've never seen anybody else do that, but the gain in oomph was marked.
Currently, I play 1x15", 2x12" (or 2x2x12" to be exact as two speakers are packed behind the other two) and 2x10" speakers. I've downsized. My peak was 2x18", 1x15" and 4x10" with occasional addition of a 1x or 2x12" mid bin(s). That offered reliable headroom and moved some air. :mrgreen: You didn't even need to turn it up loud. You simply were EVERYWHERE when you played over it. I know it's against the trend of the times, but I don't like to stand in the 'sound tunnel' of a comparatively small speaker cone area blaring at me (like many guitarists do), I like to be immersed in a (not too loud) indirect sound all around me.
Uwe, it surprises me that you have never owned a Hiwatt. It seems that an old DR would appeal to your proclivities. The SVT is an unusual choice for someone who doesn't seek coloration.
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A guitarist friend had a Hiwatt double 12" combo. Other than that it was brutishly loud, I found it unforgiving and unremarkable. There is a reason why Pete Townshend played those things and Peter Green didn‘t.
I knew the Ampeg would color, I bought it because I wondered whether its signature sound would do anything for me. Not really, it made all my basses sound samey. But the compression at high volumes was nice. Not the most reliable amp on earth, it needed regular repairs.
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A guitarist friend had a Hiwatt double 12" combo. Other than that it was brutishly loud, I found it unforgiving and unremarkable. There is a reason why Pete Townshend played those things and Peter Green didn‘t.
I knew the Ampeg would color, I bought it because I wondered whether its signature sound would do anything for me. Not really, it made all my basses sound samey. But the compression at high volumes was nice. Not the most reliable amp on earth, it needed regular repairs.
Yeah, for guitarists, there's nowhere to hide with a Hiwatt unless you're using pedals or have an attenuator (like here). They make great bass amps, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl-ak-Se6Vc
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Thomas was our lead singer and rhythm guitarist and back then, he mainly played chugging power chords with zero effects (and I mean zero!) with a relatively undistorted sound (with a humbucker Les Paul of all guitars, an unlikely choice for a rhythm guitar as he would realize much later, but as a 20-year-old he liked the silverburst fin of it, when it invariably turned green he was aghast and sold it :mrgreen: ). For that, the Hiwatt was reliably fine. But as his playing matured (he plays more in a Keith Richards vein these days), the limits of the Hiwatt combo became glaring. It didn't sing and it wasn't creamy, no real texture too, just crude amplification, doing what it said on the tin: high watt!
I always thought Townshend's solo sound pitiful - there I said it.
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I have a passive direct box on my pedal board that goes to the PA...the amp is just something so I can hear on stage...
If I wear in-ears...the amp is not really loud, just "there" so the drums and bass stay in the pocket.
I most of the time just use a 100 watt Roland cube.
Have been thinking of trying an old Peavey powered mixer and a JBL Eon...so that I can get a decent EQ on both my NS Design upright and electric bass, and start using the upright again...EQ issues were too difficult with a one channel bass amp and the electric upright.
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I always thought Townshend's solo sound pitiful - there I said it.
Well, you won't get any argument from me on that one - but then Townshend was never a "lead" guitarist in the vein - nor in the same league - as his contemporaries. I saw in an interview (Ox documentary maybe?) where he said since Entwistle's death, he has been forced to work on his lead playing and feels he's gotten better - or something to that effect.
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I agree with everything that's being said here and have always felt that way.
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All credit to Pete for never making any bones about it - he did after all state that JAE is The Who's true lead guitarist and that his (Pete's) role is to hold things together with Moonie who followed Pete, not JAE in his playing. There is no shame in being a good rhythm guitarist. But I found it curious that in his eternal quest to flesh out The Who's sound, he never thought about adding a fluid lead guitar player in the Mick Taylor/Clem Clempson vein who would have taken nothing away from him, yet added to the group sound.
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In their day, the Four Seasons made good money and could afford the newest, state of the art gear.
https://youtu.be/3pWBnodrR1M
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A Thunderbird and a Firebird look good together.
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That's the late Nick Massi on bass. He left the band in the mid-60s.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS913u93mfE
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That's the late Nick Massi on bass. He left the band in the mid-60s.
Yes, he became an actor and changed his name to Joaquin Phoenix.
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A Thunderbird and a Firebird look good together.
They were designed to look elegant - and they did.
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They were designed to look elegant - and they did.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/c5298f6d9817bbbe7f5aa66c284884fe/tumblr_p8n5e6GRKB1vcc466o1_1280.jpg)(https://64.media.tumblr.com/6fd25f78ef8e9f0d5223f15f1330fdb7/tumblr_p8n5e6GRKB1vcc466o2_1280.jpg)
Without question. However, I think the ad agency elected to scale down the the image of the Thunderbird to fit the wee man playing it. Something looks distinctly "compact" about it.
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Now that you mention it ... I think the picture of the bass player is a photomontage with the bass superimposed - unlike the Firebird player in the background.
I keep repeating myself: Everything about the TBird cries "Art Deco!" to me. It is the design era Ray Dietrich was a child of.
https://www.onallcylinders.com/2021/08/03/what-do-checker-cabs-coachbuilt-luxury-cars-gibson-guitars-have-in-common/
(https://www.onallcylinders.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/08/1934-Lincoln-KA-Coupe-Dietrich.jpg)
Because strictly speaking, the Fire- & Thunderbird designs of 1963 were not so much something head-turningly new in design language (certainly not Pop Art which arose at the time), but more of a nod to the elegance of a glorious pre-WW II past. The necessities and constraints of wartime production ended the Art Deco movement prematurely.
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I wonder at what point Thunderbirds became associated with hard rock, metal, etc.
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Glenn Cornick and JAE were early TBird players with a harder edge, but neither Jethro Tull nor The Who were ever regarded strictly heavy rock, much less heavy metal, though their music had components of both. Overend Watts with Mott the Hoople was an iconic early TB player too as was Martin Turner of Wishbone Ash, but Mott the Hoople were too glam and poppy to be really considered heavy rock and Wishbone Ash were too melodic and folky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvFpX98EOPo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeY9IRnVmk8
Honestly, I think it was Pete Way of UFO who gave the TBird a hard rock image. (Just as Michael Schenker reinforced the hard rock image of the Flying V, even though Jimi Hendrix, Leslie West and Andy Powell of Wishbone Ash had all played Vs before him.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8LAhjKLhro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmoabKcA4Cc
Way didn't play a TBird before 1978 or so when he got his Bicentennial,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-60aw0BOWQ&t=1186s
in 1976/77 he was still pummeling his P Bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTLy64IP9RA
Which goes to say that the hard rock image of the TBird only came into existence with the Bicentennial reissue of the model.
Pete Way would become a role model for Nikki Sixx and from then on the TBird image as a hard rock bass was pretty much set. Sixx played TBirds already pre-Mötley Crüe with his outfit London.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTRALBYIaio
But before I continue mansplaining things, Jackie Fox rocked hard with a TBird as early as 1977. She loved that bass and was heartbroken when the headstock eventually snapped off on the Japan Tour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMeInBBMcvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-xYH2oTQGI
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Fantastic post (mansplain?), Uwe. Thanks.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbaZE9yP8Vg
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I used to have that "my amp is essential" feeling, but sometime in the past decade or so it totally shifted.
What happened was, I started playing Gibson-style basses that have a big growly midrange and a subdued high end. First I got the Greco bird clone, then I got the LPB-1 which is still my favorite sound of the bunch, though lately I'm playing the single-pickup DC tribute junior a lot.
All of these, especially the LP, give me a direct sound that I like, even with no EQ. In fact, it's almost hard for an engineer to screw it up, even if I dislike their EQ choices.
I used to hate going direct, because I was playing through 12" drivers that had the typical huge presence peak and no treble above about 5k, like a guitar amp; and I was playing an Ibanez with Alembic active pickups to get the brightness I wanted, which meant that if I went direct there was suddenly a lot of very obnoxious sizzle in the top octave and it just sounded awful. I hated bass cabs with tweeters, especially because so many of them frankly had terrible tweeters so they weren't even good full-range speakers.
So I relied on the speakers as a big part of my EQ, and would always beg the FOH guy to mic my amp, and if they refused (which they often did in the low-end clubs I played; those guys are paid almost nothing and they just don't want anything that adds hassle to their night) ... then I would have to warn them about the distortion pedal and beg them to turn down the treble, which just sounded bad.
Life is so much easier now and I like my sound better.
My current preamp (Genz-benz shuttle) adds a little growly saturation, which is like the icing on top - I love it, but I can get by fine without it, and there are lots of other amps and/or plugins and DIs that work well too. I'm thinking of trying to find a pedal that does something similar for me when I go direct or use a house amp.
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Aren't you forgetting someone, Uwe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVlweGKZEqw
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What are the modifications to Glover's Thunderbird?
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Total coïncidence:
But this week I saw someone on Facebook who has scored the carcass of this very bass together with an old Oxo tin box full of parts. And he is now putting it back together.
I'll look it it up to see if I can find more info
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Found it.
Jeff Beer @ Zero One Guitars from Wales.
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Apparently the restoration was already done in 2020
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Aren't you forgetting someone, Uwe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVlweGKZEqw
Not really. By the time I saw Roger with Rainbow playing a TBird (at a gig at Festhalle Frankfurt) in early 1980, the TBird had already a hard rock image. Besides, I was disappointed back then that he was not playing his 4001, which I had always identified him with.
He liked the TBird, he said in an interview, and would have played it with DP had it been available to him then, but it didn't last long. He snapped its head stock off during a Rainbow gig when he collided with a mike stand. Someone must have saved the parts. He then switched to an Ovation Magnum I for the rest of the tour, a bass not entirely dissimilar to a TBird in sound, wood and feel, more sudden-impact-resistant though with its graphite reinforced neck and with a smaller head stock as a target too! ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbMHQ6BAV1g
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Found it.
Jeff Beer @ Zero One Guitars from Wales.
(https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/92462521_2768461633223118_8484840328564572160_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=azJ6gTw0acAAX9KZUpe&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=00_AfC34ThsxqMKFB63UyPqXr38tqUCY6uPSBczkv9aVVLIzQ&oe=6483845F)
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Apparently the restoration was already done in 2020
(https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/97827840_1588246404668854_8113975202544615424_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ukC7HDI9uf8AX8QFjdq&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=00_AfCBTNgUJwW5RaoBXQxACa6UItdgZdS9ChDrmjVNkRlzKQ&oe=64836946)
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Wow, thanks. Still not sure what the bridge pickup is, what the switch on the pickguard does, and why two jacks.
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Glover had a Ric toaster on that 'bird. Possibly from his old 4001 that ended up with a pair of Jazz pups at the neck.
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Watson, I'm sure it can only be coin-
cidence with you, but you might in
fact be on to something for once ...
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Ah, that's a Ric pickup. What about the two output jacks?
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For Bi-amping, what else?
By the way, Roger must have owned more than one TBird, these days he still owns a natural fin Bicentennial, apparently unmodified.
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But he also had a natural fin Bicentennial already with Rainbow, so maybe he got that fixed and it's not the 60ies one with the 60ies bridge and the Ric pup on facebook:
(https://www.deeppurple-artandhistory.com/s/cc_images/cache_10512736.JPG)
Even more confounding, a sunburst fin Bicentennial seemed to also still exist in 1981 when Joe Lynn Turner was the singer of the band (and not Graham Bonnet). I always assumed he broke the headstock at a gig with the previous line-up in 1979/80.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/04/54/98/045498fc0215c3a14dbdf4390c6b9dff.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/7e/0d/7a/7e0d7abf2c1302aa4f46fb8304fd6f45--roger-glover-deep-purple.jpg)
But that modified 60ies one from Facebook existed too, it can be seen here at 01.13 and 01:57 (clearly with a Ric toaster pup in the bridge position) in the 1979 vid to Rainbow's most cringeworthy song lyricwise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2XDORONuuY
Here is Roger's depiction (from an interview in 1991, Slaves & Masters era) on how he turned his TBird into a Steinberger (which he was playing at the time):
Bearing in mind that you used a Precision for a long time, did you ever
get backache from wearing that big old thing?
I get backache, but I thought that was just old age! But funnily enough,
I was given a '62 reissue Precision by Fender Japan, which was really nice,
but I couldn't believe the weight of it! By the time I'd put it on and tuned
it, I'd had enough! Actually this Steinberger is pretty heavy, but it's a
lovely guitar to play...
Did you have any trouble adjusting to the headless style?
Yeah, it was a bit strange at first. I kept thinking I'd fall off the end
of the fretboard! Mind you, that wasn't my first experience with headless
basses... When I was playing with Rainbow, I had a Gibson Thunderbird bass,
a lovely bass to play - I wish I'd been in Purple when I had that. Anyway,
we were playing one night and it was virtually the last chord of the last
song in the encore. I was playing away, and I suddenly became aware that I
couldn't feel any strings, so I looked down and the strings were just
hanging down off the bass. I looked up at the fretboard and the head had
disappeared! The T-birds were very weak, construction-wise, directly behind
the nut, and I must have accidentally touched my mike stand with the head of
the guitar and - WHACK! - instant headless bass..!
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Ah. I have no experience with that.
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Just my guess. In my bi-amping phase in the 80ies I had a little box that split the signal from the bass and I fed one into a solid state preamp for the lows and one into a tube preamp for the mids and highs, running both over a stereo slave which fed the solid state signal to one or two 18" Peavey or EV cabs and the tube signal to 1x15" and 4x10" Hartke alu cone cabs.
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Reminds me of how Billy Sheehan runs his rig. He's a lot of fun with gear, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FowFNGnP1tI
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Wow, thanks. Still not sure what the bridge pickup is, what the switch on the pickguard does, and why two jacks.
If you look at the pic that shows the underside of the bridge pickup, you'll se the word "Dawk" engraved on it. That would be the late John "Dawk" Stillwell, who worked for Deep Purple and Rainbow as a tech. He was responsible for Roger's modded Rickenbacker, as well as Blackmore's initial scalloped fingerboard Strat and his modded Marshall Major heads. I believe Dawk did the Thunderbird as well.
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Doesn’t look like a Ric pickup to me.
I think it’s closer to a mini humbucker off an EB-3?
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Who would want to put that anywhere except the parts bin?
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Who would want to put that anywhere except the parts bin?
Somebody's jelly...
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Roger - also with his Ric - was on an eternal quest to clean his sound (see the interview snippets below). He wanted undistorted lows and a clean treble with little mids because he felt that the mids department was already sufficiently covered by Blackmore's and Lord's instruments feuding for sonic leadership. Hence the preference for Vigier active basses and their more hif'sh sound today. It works within the context of DP's sound, a darker, more mid'ish sound wouldn't fit. When I saw Nick Fyffe (Jamiroquai, The Temperance Movement) deputize for Roger who was having knee surgery at one gig, the lack of Roger's clean but propulsive sound made DP sound quite different.
You've been seen with a few basses in your time. Can you remember them?
After the Fender, I went on to a Rickenbacker 4001 stereo. Mind you,
before I had the Precision I used to have a Fender Mustang...
I had one of those too; I thought they were super little basses. Did you
like the one you had?
I liked it in the studio, but I found that when it came to using it on
stage it wasn't big enough - both in sound and in neck lenght - so I moved to
the Precision, then to the Rickenbacker. Mind you, all my life I think I've
been searching for a sound that probably doesn't exist, and I've come to the
realisation that the sound I'm looking for is more in my fingers than in the
instrument, although I'm sure that anything you feel good about playing
helps you to play better.
Listening to you, and watching you play that Rickenbacker through that
huge stack of Marshall's with Deep Purple in the late '60s was one of my
influences - that thundering, loose strung Ricky bass 'clank' was a force to
be reckoned with ...
To me, it was always too distorted. It was a typical case of the grass
being greener. I'd heard various American recordings on which Ricky basses
were! used, loved the sound and thought I'd try that. But it was always
'clank, clank, distort, distort' - just too distorted really. I always had a
feeling that I wasn't underneath the band the way that a bass player should
be, and that I was competing with Jon and Ritchie in the mid range, and
generally muddying up the overall sound.
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Doesn’t look like a Ric pickup to me.
I think it’s closer to a mini humbucker off an EB-3?
We're talking about when Roger had it. Whoever restored it must have put that EB-3 looking pup on there.
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It came in the same Oxo box whith the all the other parts. As stated above; it has "Dawk" scribbled on the back. That would be too much of a coincidence not to make part of the configuration that Glover had in this bass (at some point).
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If you look at the pic that shows the underside of the bridge pickup, you'll se the word "Dawk" engraved on it. That would be the late John "Dawk" Stillwell, who worked for Deep Purple and Rainbow as a tech. He was responsible for Roger's modded Rickenbacker, as well as Blackmore's initial scalloped fingerboard Strat and his modded Marshall Major heads. I believe Dawk did the Thunderbird as well.
I remember that Dawk guy. Had his own forum for a while where he generally embellished of otherwise played up his significance in keeping rockstar guitars working, out on the road. I think he used to sell an epoxy cube containing a small transformer with a single wire running into the primary or something, as a magic instant Blackmore tonal device. A general shitehawk.
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I remember that Dawk guy. Had his own forum for a while where he generally embellished of otherwise played up his significance in keeping rockstar guitars working, out on the road. I think he used to sell an epoxy cube containing a small transformer with a single wire running into the primary or something, as a magic instant Blackmore tonal device. A general shitehawk.
By all accounts, Dawk was a pretty decent guy that had a TON of knowledge, and was valued by the bands he worked with. If he was a bit of an opportunist, it's because EVERYBODY in that field is a bit of an opportunist (how many Tube Screamer knockoffs are there?). The box you are referring to was Dawk's take on Bill Lawrence's Q-Filter, which IIRC he developed for the Gibson L6S as a way of cleaning up a guitar pickup's sound without reverting to a coil tap. Kent Armstrong also makes one, as does Lawrence's legacy company, Wilde.
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It came in the same Oxo box whith the all the other parts. As stated above; it has "Dawk" scribbled on the back. That would be too much of a coincidence not to make part of the configuration that Glover had in this bass (at some point).
All I know is it's definitely a toaster on the bass in those Rainbow vids. Maybe there was further experimentation after that?
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For Bi-amping, what else?
By the way, Roger must have owned more than one TBird, these days he still owns a natural fin Bicentennial, apparently unmodified.
(https://img.luzernerzeitung.ch/2021/2/9/98e5a37c-05a1-48ad-8222-f13fbdce7fcf.jpeg?width=1360&height=764&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=6720,3776,x0,y168)
But he also had a natural fin Bicentennial already with Rainbow, so maybe he got that fixed and it's not the 60ies one with the 60ies bridge and the Ric pup on facebook:
(https://www.deeppurple-artandhistory.com/s/cc_images/cache_10512736.JPG)
Even more confounding, a sunburst fin Bicentennial seemed to also still exist in 1981 when Joe Lynn Turner was the singer of the band (and not Graham Bonnet). I always assumed he broke the headstock at a gig with the previous line-up in 1979/80.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/04/54/98/045498fc0215c3a14dbdf4390c6b9dff.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/7e/0d/7a/7e0d7abf2c1302aa4f46fb8304fd6f45--roger-glover-deep-purple.jpg)
But that modified 60ies one from Facebook existed too, it can be seen here at 01.13 and 01:57 (clearly with a Ric toaster pup in the bridge position) in the 1979 vid to Rainbow's most cringeworthy song lyricwise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2XDORONuuY
Here is Roger's depiction (from an interview in 1991, Slaves & Masters era) on how he turned his TBird into a Steinberger (which he was playing at the time):
Bearing in mind that you used a Precision for a long time, did you ever
get backache from wearing that big old thing?
I get backache, but I thought that was just old age! But funnily enough,
I was given a '62 reissue Precision by Fender Japan, which was really nice,
but I couldn't believe the weight of it! By the time I'd put it on and tuned
it, I'd had enough! Actually this Steinberger is pretty heavy, but it's a
lovely guitar to play...
Did you have any trouble adjusting to the headless style?
Yeah, it was a bit strange at first. I kept thinking I'd fall off the end
of the fretboard! Mind you, that wasn't my first experience with headless
basses... When I was playing with Rainbow, I had a Gibson Thunderbird bass,
a lovely bass to play - I wish I'd been in Purple when I had that. Anyway,
we were playing one night and it was virtually the last chord of the last
song in the encore. I was playing away, and I suddenly became aware that I
couldn't feel any strings, so I looked down and the strings were just
hanging down off the bass. I looked up at the fretboard and the head had
disappeared! The T-birds were very weak, construction-wise, directly behind
the nut, and I must have accidentally touched my mike stand with the head of
the guitar and - WHACK! - instant headless bass..!
Requisite headstock repair- No doubt it flew off at great speed.
(https://i.imgur.com/jhANtav.jpg)
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Pete Birrell with a TBird
https://youtu.be/3uJb90rwxRk
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One of their best songs, too, although I could never get used to their absurd moves on stage. I realize it was their schtick, but it still looked ridiculous.
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Progging out with a clanky Bicentennial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-As83vmpePU
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One of their best songs, too, although I could never get used to their absurd moves on stage. I realize it was their schtick, but it still looked ridiculous.
Freddie Garrity had an excellent voice for pop, and I'm Telling You Now was a great pop love song... as long as you could hear it on the radio and not have to look at his antics on stage.
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Progging out with a clanky Bicentennial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-As83vmpePU
Thanks. ;D Eloy is one of several bands that the "older dudes down the street" turned me on to in high school.
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Progging out with a clanky Bicentennial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-As83vmpePU
That tone makes me pretty convinced it is a T-bird on Argus, and not a Rickenbacker as Martin Turner has stated. There is a ringing 'dirty spring' sound in bright Thunderbirds that I hear on Argus.
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This is the sound of a Bicentennial, Argus would have been a 60ies Bird, but Martin didn't have it yet.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/L44iHlbemwo/hqdefault.jpg)
Even when he rerecorded Argus some years back, he went out of his way to use a Ric for it. Since his had been stolen long ago, he loaned one from John Wetton.
I know Martin is arch-identified with TBirds (and Hamer Explorers with TBird pups), but they are mainly his live basses, he feels comfortable on stage with them. In the studio, he says, he plays anything that sounds good, Fender Ps - gasp, shok, horror! - among them ...
(https://orangeamps.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Wishbone-Ash-Andy-Powell-.jpg)
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Thanks. ;D Eloy is one of several bands that the "older dudes down the street" turned me on to in high school.
I'm amazed that you guys could stand Frank Bornemann's häffi Tshörmenn äkzennt and really non-singer's voice. Eloy had healthy sales in Germany too, but they were forever ridiculed for Bornemann's singing by the German music press. German music critics wanted German bands to sound like so you wouldn't notice, Lake was their darling band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k1zqMiQW8o
To which you would have probably replied: "But we already have The Doobie Brothers here, we don't need two!" :rimshot:
The Lilac Angels were another German band that found grace with German music critics for the same reason (sounding "un-German"), even though they were really only like a glorified Mott the Hoople.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLnH1_T7pjc
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Some daft Bird going on about something....Who even plays these things?!
https://youtu.be/zxBWZDOHccs
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But Mark, you're turning all Pop!
The red dress and the green don't match. Christmas is over.
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But Mark, you're turning all Pop!
The red dress and the green don't match. Christmas is over.
I'll keep the dresses short and black in future! ;D
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Yes, please realign with your usual high sartorial and color-matching standards you've all spoiled us here with!
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Too many green basses, not enough dresses to go with them.............
(https://i.imgur.com/vO6zb3J.jpg)
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Now THAT IS more like it, Met Gala standard, breathtaking, thanks!
Aaaand, was that hard now? Getting quickly changed for us voyeurs here?
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Now THAT IS more like it, Met Gala standard, breathtaking, thanks!
Aaaand, was that hard now? Getting quickly changed for us voyeurs here?
I'll take any excuse to wear a dress, but I think we all know that!
Green velvet, green bird!
(https://i.imgur.com/lx4YY4f.jpg)
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You’re back to form!
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Dresses = basses ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/S8ctccd.jpg)
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How about the white one?!
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It's too bad that Mark doesn't own any natural fin TBirds, we could ask for matching nude pics! 8)
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It's too bad that Mark doesn't own any natural fin TBirds, we could ask for matching nude pics! 8)
Nobody wants to see that, even me!
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But in our quest for scientific validation ...
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The Lilac Angels were another German band that found grace with German music critics for the same reason (sounding "un-German"), even though they were really only like a glorified Mott the Hoople.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLnH1_T7pjc
That was dire, the frontman looks like Tony Clifton!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwc1Y7DX4AAPbb4.jpg)
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True! :mrgreen:
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I'm impressed that the green and orange colors match so nicely. Green is really tough to match with!
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Mark is to personality augmenting color recommendations what Einstein was to physics.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/gw69Fq3oXcIOA/200w.gif?cid=82a1493bftn9aji93mvu2i2hr0gw09liz4gd6rqd6bfees3r&ep=v1_gifs_related&rid=200w.gif&ct=g)
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Girls have to accessorize!
Look here, I'm playing out live again ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/xUJSI7d.jpg)
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That's great to see, so the new line-up is working out?
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That's great to see, so the new line-up is working out?
I drove them pretty hard wih once a week rehearsal for the past 7 months now, tried to burn the music into their heads, we played on 5/19, 5/20 and it went reasonably well. Our guitarist has some gear issues to sort through, but otherwise the music was fine and we had rehearsed to point of needing to just go out and play some shows to take the next steps as a band.
We're at it 6/3 in Burien very near the place we had dinner at when you visited.
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Played the Jackson this past weekend.
(https://i.imgur.com/XTkkma6.jpg)
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Adult toys with batteries.
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Adult toys with batteries.
It'll never fit.
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Great finish on that bass. Very cool looking.
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It'll never fit.
That headstock alone will take real conviction and perseverance.
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Adult toys with batteries.
Batteries, not just for pu$$*** anymore! :-*
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That headstock alone will take real conviction and perseverance.
Adds a whole new angle for choice of tuners.
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Mark is the only person on
(https://i.etsystatic.com/9674889/r/il/c425b8/650861778/il_1080xN.650861778_qnm1.jpg)
who can wear a
blue reptile pattern dress
playing a
sponged fin green bass
with
(i) grace +
(ii) devil-may-care aplomb.
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I'm just trying to brighten things up a bit, not quite so much black clothing on stage - plus it was a sunny day as well. We were pushed for time after sound check and I ended up wearing my tennis shoes on stage that day, no a bad thing either as it was laced with cords and heels would have been hazardous to health.
(https://i.imgur.com/QUT1bsI.jpg)
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Now, if you'd only give up that train collecting thing, you could be a good normal person!
The sneakers look youthful on you, illusion is everything!
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Now, if you'd only give up that train collecting thing, you could be a good normal person!
The sneakers look youthful on you, illusion is everything!
The trains, there's so many that they're taking over, I expect to be swallowed up by them, yet, I can't help myself!
I do find that I enjoy the photography of the models more than I used to.
(https://i.imgur.com/UvWUoqr.jpg)
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That does look cool indeed.
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We're off to historic Pt. Townsend, WA this weekend to play a show on the waterfront for the city's Pride day. There's a substantial old army base there with barracks and officers quarters all well preserved they were part of a series of fortifications placed along the Strait of Juan de Fuca. Large gun batteries were sited and made to interlace their fire, they date to the early 1900's but were manned and on alert during WWII as in the early days Japanese submarines were sinking commercial vessels off the NW coast. They shelled Vancouver island at one point and there was fear that a submarine would intrude the shipyard at Bremerton as well. Anywho, here's a couple shots of the batteries, it may look familiar as some scenes from "Officer and a Gentleman" were shot here and in Pt. Townsend.
(https://i.imgur.com/E3RhgFp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1I5NoHI.jpg)
This is a gun pit, it had a large hydraulic mechanism that would raise the cannon up to fire at enemy ships.
(https://i.imgur.com/3zm4yEy.jpg)
There are other smaller pits as well, pretty now on a nice day, but not much fun during the winter as it's dark, cold and rainy about 100 percent of the time.
(https://i.imgur.com/Nc97EqW.jpg)
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Nice shots! I have really enjoyed vising Port Townsend.
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Playing for Pt. Townsend's Pride 6/10/23, the bass is my Epiphone Vintage Pro with Gibson NR pickups, Trace Elliott GP7-250 and an SWR 6x10.
https://youtu.be/lOoMXB4yTeI
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Nice!
Great tune well done, and fun for the bass player.
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This came as a total surprise - the great Eric Haydock in The Hollies playing a T-bird! Never seen him with one earlier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCj0nwcYZMk&t=39s
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Permed Sweet sans Connolly, but with a Bird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WILd0dUzoS8
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Yo La Tengo live on KEXP. James McNew seems to have switched over to a Thunderbird since 2019 or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV4R0T64RF0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTJn6CyEwuI
1964 Thunderbird II. this bass was owned by Paul Martinez when he was Robert Plant’s bass player.
Now owned by Paul Dunbar.
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You could cut glass with that Stratocaster tone.
I've always thought Robert Plant tried a bit hard at the whole 'see, I'm no longer in Led Zeppelin' thing with his solo career.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTJn6CyEwuI
1964 Thunderbird II. this bass was owned by Paul Martinez when he was Robert Plant’s bass player.
Now owned by Paul Dunbar.
I will not have the great Paul Martinez mentioned here without a reference to where he came from!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MRH0ouH2x0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y3lhBah774
And Robbie Blunt had a prior life too, here on slide guitar with the magnificently raunchy Silverhead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quuCN320ba8
Today, I guess he listens more to The Band/Bob Dylan, lovely song though :mrgreen: ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbDG3ZMUj98
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You could cut glass with that Stratocaster tone.
I've always thought Robert Plant tried a bit hard at the whole 'see, I'm no longer in Led Zeppelin' thing with his solo career.
Not ever suspect of being a Zep fan, I come from the other direction: I'm eternally grateful to him that in his solo career he did not ride on Zep's coattails! He was/is daring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaL_3bdbbeQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD5qPWHIDPo
Big Log, with all its nifty key changes, is a remarkable number.
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Not ever suspect of being a Zep fan, I come from the other direction: I'm eternally grateful to him that in his solo career he did not ride on Zep's coattails! He was/is daring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaL_3bdbbeQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD5qPWHIDPo
Big Log, with all its nifty key changes, is a remarkable number.
Love 29 Palms, think it's the best song he's ever done.
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I'm eternally grateful to him that in his solo career he did not ride on Zep's coattails! He was/is daring.
Likewise. I love his first three solo albums. I was a little disappointed when he DID start to go back to his Zep roots. But I have massive respect for him not doing a tour in 2007. He plays to his strengths, however they may evolve.
Also, thanks for the history on Paul Martinez. I used to have a live bootleg that I recorded off the radio from I believe the Pictures at Eleven tour, and somehow I knew that was a Thunderbird.
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Uwe’s favorite guitarist with the wrong singer.
And a Thunderbird hidden somewhere.
https://youtu.be/p-ooOf_rih0
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Shamefully so and not just for the singing, I do like Coverdale Page. I have tried to fight it, seriously. I prefer it to late 80ies Whitesnake for being more adult, never mind the overdone grandeur of the production. Jimmy Page productions always sound like they were recorded in the mountains of Mordor-dor-dor-dor-dor-dor, lack of sonic clarity does compensate for sloppy playing, you know, not everyone is a Ritchie Blackmore who can risk an unforgiving dry sound.
(https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1524400128ra/25415782.gif)
That bassist must be Babies/Bad English/Ted Nugent/Styx-man Ricky Phillips, he played on the album (just two songs and not the one backed by the above vid) and had long hair = looked the part for the video. Guy Pratt (not looking the part, but a wonderful bassist) only played the short Japanese tour.
http://www.guypratt.com/wp-content/gallery/pictures/Guy-Pratt-and-Jimmy-Page.jpg
The mainstay bassist on the album was Jorge Casas - he did not have long hair and was hence not deemed suitable for the vid by His Vanity & Superficiality David Coverdale, though he actually played on the track. Pity as he had some really good dance moves (even matching Gloria's!), I believe most of you should have seen and heard him before in a, say, somewhat more ethnic (and undeniably catchy and butt move-enticing) environment with a P-Bass ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ItEmCnP80
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Guy Pratt (not looking the part, but a wonderful bassist) only played the short Japanese tour.
http://www.guypratt.com/wp-content/gallery/pictures/Guy-Pratt-and-Jimmy-Page.jpg
For those of you who haven't read it yet; His book My bass and other animals is an excellent read.
https://www.amazon.nl/Bass-Other-Animals-Guy-Pratt/dp/0752893351
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51f8x2I-xqL.jpg)
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Brought up in the TalkBass thread, it looks like Collin Hegna (I think) from the Brian Jonestown Massacre is playing a Bicentennial Thunderbird here, without the pickguard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hDwcef6yu4
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Mind blown.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvJ5HI_AKy6/
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Here's mr Watt playing "Bluey" in some raw footage intended for MTV. I hadn't seen any footage of this two-drummer lineup. It's fun seeing Nels Cline pre-Wilco.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKjSAOhMHn0
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Here's some great Nels Cline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGE0Y0YMpsE
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I was unaware of this until today. The band is Lustra (except for Matt Damon miming the lead singer), the movie is EuroTrip (2004). The lyrics are related to the plot, such as it is.
Lyrics (https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/lustra/scottydoesntknow.html)
It's a teen movie but any movie with Michelle Trachtenberg topless scenes has to be worth watching.
https://youtu.be/0Vyj1C8ogtE
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1987 Gibson V (don't know where else to put this)
A Reverb add had this video between the pics.
You don't see these too often
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttKOS8CtI0g
Here's the bass on Reverb:
https://reverb.com/item/74836262-gibson-v-1985-finales-natural?fbclid=IwAR2nMG8CClQcsd_WIlmFECM4qInN0BzIoI2tjFMI4HJVDu5MNNWLH7D-bfM
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That's a great find, Rob!
Three Dog Night ruled (at least) the North American part of the Earth in the late 60ies and early to mid 70ies and then basically vanished off its face without too much noise. I've often asked myself why, and my pet theory of an explanation is that they didn't write their own songs - a self-penned body of work seems to be key regarding the longevity of remembrance of a band in the public mind. Interestingly, that doesn't seem to apply to solo artists, Elvis Presley, Tom Jones, Aretha Franklin, Tina Turner, Celine Dion - who cares that they mostly sang other people's songs? But if you're a rock band and do mostly or only covers, irrespective how well and original you do them (---> Manfred Mann's Earth Band), you are automatically relegated to the "not-to-be-taken-quite-so-serious-as-a-creative-force"-bin. It's the reason why bands like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Bee Gees and The Kinks all have gained - especially as the 70ies approached - a different status than, say, The Hollies.
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It makes sense for bands to be able to write their own songs. That's really about the hardest thing to be able to do, IMO. There are a few exceptions. Vanilla Fudge would be the main one I can think of. I wouldn't put the Hollies on that same level, but they did have some really good songs.
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Vanilla Fudge certainly invented a sound - I should know as a Purple fan, VF were DP's role model in the early years.
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I'm glad the Fudge had such a positive impact. Frankly, I think there are a number of people who don't even know who they are anymore. But I think their second album--The Beat Goes On--just about finished off the band. Carmine Appice said it was an album that even Spinal Tap would be wary of making.
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I believe that both Vanilla Fudge's (on the East Coast) and Iron Butterfly's (on the West Coast) influence on any emerging heavy rock band with a prominent keyboard sound in the late 60ies to early 70ies is underrated. They both trademarked that heavy organ-driven sound. And then you had all of the sudden stuff like this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzHtePuz13U
and that was already very close in sound to what Deep Purple and Uriah Heep would do less than two years later.
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Arthur Brown did get a lot of attention for a while. So did Iron Butterfly. Strangely enough, I was just watching the In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida video recently. But it's still Vanilla Fudge that I listen to the most from time to time. Not much, but enough. I was impressed by Tim Bogert's bass playing from the first moment I heard him. Now, of course, when it comes to him, it's the Beck, Bogert & Appice box set I'm listening to the most now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E434yEh_Ro
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TNH at 7 Cedars Casino 10/28/23 with my '64II.
https://youtu.be/NAa332CX0zE
With my BaCH NRII.
https://youtu.be/SCGPTOKtoSo
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Great playing and great sound as always Mark!
How many birds do you bring to a typical gig and how do you pick which ones?
Looks like an SWR 6x10 cab in the back, what's the head?
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Who would ever connect the Thunderbird with English novelty act Freddie and The Dreamers? I wouldn't, for sure. Anyway, there is this here connection. Peter Birrell on bass changed basses several times during The Dreamers careeer. And he had taste, if not dancing, but for basses. As is showed in this remarkable video from annu dazumal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUqjuAUus5Y
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Great playing and great sound as always Mark!
How many birds do you bring to a typical gig and how do you pick which ones?
Looks like an SWR 6x10 cab in the back, what's the head?
I actually had 4 basses with me for this show, I wanted to play a different one each set. Started the night with the '64 for the first, an Epi VP that has new Gibson pickups for the second, about halfway thru our singer fell down, in doing so, she tried to catch herself and ended up breaking her wrist, she didn't know it at the time and just kept on going. She iced a growing lump and we played the last set, I used the BaCH II that has a Lull pickup. Singer went to the Emergency Room after the show! I'm currently using an old low s/n SWR 6x10 and a Trace Elliott GP7-250, a step down in watts from my old GK, but I really like it because I have to turn it up and get it working a little harder and it just sounds a lot better. I also have a 250watt SWR amp that I use with sometimes as well. My old GK stuff is all gone now.
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Who would ever connect the Thunderbird with English novelty act Freddie and The Dreamers? I wouldn't, for sure. Anyway, there is this here connection. Peter Birrell on bass changed basses several times during The Dreamers careeer. And he had taste, if not dancing, but for basses. As is showed in this remarkable video from annu dazumal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUqjuAUus5Y
Thanks for that. I'm Telling You Now was a great pop love song and Freddie Garrity had a really nice voice. Unfortunately he ruined things with his stage antics.
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The old GK RB series were great amps. And we’re just about indestructible.
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White Thunderbird goodness!
https://youtu.be/59Rn3liaoI4
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Love that bass line...and I think a simple, powerful bass line is one of the great things about playing bass!
Nice dynamics, too.
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I like the Goth-Ghoul look!
You've become an LGBTQ-GWAR! :mrgreen:
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That's the first time I've taken the '64 II out to a show - it was a thrill to play it live, I love it's tone and it truly plays nice, easily the best playing bass I've ever owned.
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New Yo La Tengo video. I love how James McNew has been consistently on a Thunderbird for years now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSGWzvsOFYY
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That's nice, gently flowing music.
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What I love about YLT is how their style is all over the place. Their live shows are always amazing.
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A white Thunderbird II on stage with Chris Stapleton.
It does have a wider travel bridge, but other than that it looks vintage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQcMM4xAzIA
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A Thunderbird on stage with Steely Dan at Old Grey Whistle Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nEa2K13X0o
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Frankie Poullain roolz!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBfmX1xvNVQ
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Frankie Poullain roolz!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBfmX1xvNVQ
Porn Star Frankie here................
I got a big kick out of Justin Hawkins when he was on Top gear!
https://youtu.be/nRlTc1RYMGU
Probably my fave song of theirs
https://youtu.be/UY7fZl9Rfn0?list=RDUY7fZl9Rfn0
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Justin is great fun and - behind his court jester shtick - a perceptive, thoughtful musician. His YouTube podcast 'Justin Hawkins Rides Again' is always worth watching and insightful.
Poullain always does the intro to One Way Ticket To Hell And Back as an extended cowbell solo of his (while the others are off-stage), teasing and goading the audience - all in great mock earnestness. Hilarious!
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I've crewed the Darkness a few times and am always impressed that , for a novelty act, they put on a damn fine hard rocking show.
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They deliver everything with a smirk, but there is thought and songwriting craft behind it.
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A stumble and spotted this... presently giving their material a listen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG8fugqFn9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XN0NtrnfMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcwX2TnsTPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8kADiFYjKE
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I saw them open for Muse several years ago. I like them, and they played with confidence.
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Enjoying what I've heard so far... always different seeing Ladies with Thunderbirds... enjoyment would be down to taste... they fit the Indie market...
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A sixties Thunderbird IV on stage with Frankie Miller.
(and two Zemaitis Les Pauls)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6ME7-9WYhc
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Who is the bassist?
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I don't know. It's not Chrissie Stewart and it's not Tex Comer
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Sam Yaffa with his Bird ... + the band GnR owe so much to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYIYr5GVEjQ
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Live Mott the Hoople, with a TB II providing all the low end rumble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vyvtQS88Sg
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Outstanding! I thought it was an all-Gibson front line but Ian is playing a Guild S-90.
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Ariel Bender aka Luther Grosvenor was a sight to behold, but he was no Mick Ralphs. He sure bent the strings of his “razor” for real, just not very accurately as regards the key of the song … :mrgreen:
But between Ian Hunter being a little flat vocally and Ariel being a little sharp in his bending, it all evened out. Mott the Hoople were great.
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The unflinching lyric "Some spade said rock 'n' rollers, you're all the same" as well. An English rock band casually throwing out 1920s racial slurs. And what are oreoles?
I quite like the raw attack of Ariel Bender's playing. I gather Mott were a huge underground bar band that struggled to get a commercial foothold. That wild lead guitar playing was probably totally captivating in small clubs at high volume.
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Second 'shower thought'... did Ace Frehley borrow a bit of stagecraft from Ariel Bender? Minus the spaceman makeup there is a similar schtick going on.
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Alan, here you are:
The song is based on a true story about forgetting to pack a guitar , panicking on the plane half way to Memphis, and having the instrument shipped by train to Oriole Kentucky. On collection the instrument is badly damaged (electric junk). The shame presumably comes from being treated with indifference by the black shipping clerk, and possibly from being responsible for it ending up in that condition. The guitar belonged to Mick Ralphs although Ian Hunter sings the song in the first person. The incident is referenced in 'The Ballad of Mott the Hoople': "Buffin lost his childlike dreams, and Mick lost his guitar"
Ian Hunter is an old geezer, born pre-WW II, back then “spade” probably wasn’t the worst thing you could call a person of color in Ole Blighty. And certainly, the black GIs that began to populate the UK ahead of the Normandy invasion were surprised about the non-segregationist society they found. I’m sure he never meant it in a denigrating way, he loved what Black Americans brought to wartime England.
https://youtu.be/X67Scbwrdn4
These days when he sings the song the “spade” is replaced with “dude”.
PS: I thought the same thing about Ace and Ariel. Being the Anglophiles they were, I’m sure Ace’s inspiration for his “stutter guitar playing” helped him win the audition with Paul and Gene. They had actually already settled for Bob Kulick when Ace stumbled in as the last guy they auditioned.
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PS: I thought the same thing about Ace and Ariel. Being the Anglophiles they were, I’m sure Ace’s inspiration for his “stutter guitar playing” helped him win the audition with Paul and Gene. They had actually already settled for Bob Kulick when Ace stumbled in as the last guy they auditioned.
Interesting point. I wonder how different their music and success would've been with Bob instead of Ace from the beginning. I know Bob played with them later on.
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Bob was/is a much more elegant player while Ace sort of lurches and stumbles around on the fretboard. KISS would have probably sounded a bit smoother, tasteful and accomplished, not that any of that was high on their agenda. Ace was idiosyncratic though I find his style an acquired taste. But it’s 100% him.
Given Bob’s premature hair loss, the “era of wigs” would have likely set in a few decades earlier with KISS. He did play with Paul Stanley’s solo band later on.
Not that his look couldn’t have been incorporated into the KISS image:
(https://preview.redd.it/bob-kulick-makeup-v0-o2owmhtwighb1.jpg?auto=webp&s=32a7f042c2c849a27500d915cf1f545365e6a961)
I first heard of him via this here:
https://youtu.be/vZnkDNc1mHE
Why did he never form a band with Tony Levin?
(https://papabear.com/tours/seal99/photos/tl-bobk.jpg)
I had forgotten that he left us in 2020, COVID delayed a necessary heart surgery for too long, shucks, rest in peace.
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I grew up listening to Ace, so his tone and style are like home for me.
Bob also recorded with Kiss later on, I guess when Ace was on his way out.
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Alan, here you are:
The song is based on a true story about forgetting to pack a guitar , panicking on the plane half way to Memphis, and having the instrument shipped by train to Oriole Kentucky. On collection the instrument is badly damaged (electric junk). The shame presumably comes from being treated with indifference by the black shipping clerk, and possibly from being responsible for it ending up in that condition. The guitar belonged to Mick Ralphs although Ian Hunter sings the song in the first person. The incident is referenced in 'The Ballad of Mott the Hoople': "Buffin lost his childlike dreams, and Mick lost his guitar"
Ian Hunter is an old geezer, born pre-WW II, back then “spade” probably wasn’t the worst thing you could call a person of color in Ole Blighty. And certainly, the black GIs that began to populate the UK ahead of the Normandy invasion were surprised about the non-segregationist society they found. I’m sure he never meant it in a denigrating way, he loved what Black Americans brought to wartime England.
https://youtu.be/X67Scbwrdn4
These days when he sings the song the “spade” is replaced with “dude”.
PS: I thought the same thing about Ace and Ariel. Being the Anglophiles they were, I’m sure Ace’s inspiration for his “stutter guitar playing” helped him win the audition with Paul and Gene. They had actually already settled for Bob Kulick when Ace stumbled in as the last guy they auditioned.
The cover you love to hate............But hey, at least they have a German on guitar!
I likes it!
https://youtu.be/5OJf0j4eVxI
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It's not awful, but with all due respect to my blond countryman: He doesn't have the raunch to play something like that credibly. Tracii Guns' solo is shorter than Michael's but closer to the spirit of the song. Michael overplays terribly and sounds academically distanced at the same time. He has never been any good at doing anything other than his own music. I remember seeing him listlessly with the Scorpions on the Lovedrive Tour (his short-lived "return" to the Hannoverians) and you could feel his physical discomfort oozing from the stage having to play his brother's and Uli Roth's songs and solos - he made off soon after.
Even Paul 'Tonka' Chapman, Michael's initial replacement with UFO, could have done this song better. He had more sleaze in him.
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Live Mott the Hoople, with a TB II providing all the low end rumble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vyvtQS88Sg
Alas!, Luther/Ariel still has all the sartorial splendor you could reasonably ask for ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh227_LMT3s
And that's Morgan Fisher playing piano on the left too! No idea who the guy with the brown no-name guitar upstaging everyone is though.
Here's the upstager again - mingling with a Bad Company guitarist and some guy from Blind Lion!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXe7lB0Tf7I
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More cowbell!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBfmX1xvNVQ
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The
Faces Black Crowes with a Non Rev.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBu97e--xA
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My Orville Thunderbird and I.
https://youtu.be/k27tKkUTb68
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The Faces Black Crowes with a Non Rev.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBu97e--xA
And not just for the promo video.
Sven Pipien uses it live too.
Here's the CD release party gig:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1RR5nmaZ1A
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My Orville Thunderbird and I.
https://youtu.be/k27tKkUTb68
Perhaps, allerliebster Mark, you should consider a stage name change to "Miss Fanny Fünquette"?
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Herr Entwistle playing what is substantially (still) a Rev TBird,
(https://www.thewho.net/whotabs/images/equipment/bass/auction_cookaxebass.jpg)
but with changes to the body that would even make Scott's eyes bleed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqVcDV5kGcg&t=14s
Look here under "Axe Bass" for details:
https://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/bass/bass7174.html
Don't try this at home, please.
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Perhaps, allerliebster Mark, you should consider a stage name change to "Miss Fanny Fünquette"?
I'm a lot of things, but sadly I don't "Funk" very well. :sad:
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People are dancing, so you must be doing something right! ;)
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That's a funk number alright!
Your (no really anymore that) 'new' singer has come along nicely btw.
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Herr Entwistle playing what is substantially (still) a Rev TBird,
(https://www.thewho.net/whotabs/images/equipment/bass/auction_cookaxebass.jpg)
but with changes to the body that would even make Scott's eyes bleed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqVcDV5kGcg&t=14s
Look here under "Axe Bass" for details:
https://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/bass/bass7174.html
Don't try this at home, please.
There was a Jazz Bass based axe bass before this one too. https://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/bass/bass6768.html (https://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/bass/bass6768.html)
(https://www.thewho.net/whotabs/images/equipment/bass/jae_196711_axe.jpg)
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My Orville Thunderbird and I.
https://youtu.be/k27tKkUTb68
Looks like a good gig Mark! My new wave cover band did that tune at probably every show back in the early 2000s. We had a synth bass track running below the surface. Always got people moving.
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Thanks Tom! That was our first time at this venue, a nice large casino north of Seattle, we had a pretty good turnout, it's hard to tell but the room was quite big.
Our first time playing this song out live, our new guitarist hits it really well, our singer clams it twice by coming in at the wrong time.
https://youtu.be/3Xkzpr6w0DQ
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No idea if we've had these before but... been a while since I've posted video links and can't seem to get these right...
All Nazareth from 50 years ago on the Austrian Spotlight show...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9uvpr_gm64&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piC16ss8TXY&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef2SLZdhNrY&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=war8zlIWoMY&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV1cUcL-ejU&list=PL1ckqQtaHEsXqVt5Qmhiahl-E036tQ6dR&index=5&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDEWlYbRUvE&list=PL1ckqQtaHEsXqVt5Qmhiahl-E036tQ6dR&index=6&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
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Some of it, but by no means all, always worth a revisit.
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No idea if we've had these before but... been a while since I've posted video links and can't seem to get these right...
All Nazareth from 50 years ago on the Austrian Spotlight show...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9uvpr_gm64&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piC16ss8TXY&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef2SLZdhNrY&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=war8zlIWoMY&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV1cUcL-ejU&list=PL1ckqQtaHEsXqVt5Qmhiahl-E036tQ6dR&index=5&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDEWlYbRUvE&list=PL1ckqQtaHEsXqVt5Qmhiahl-E036tQ6dR&index=6&ab_channel=SpotlightMusicShow
You need to delete the ampersand and everything to the right of it. If you try to post anything that's part of a playlist, the video won't appear. Only post the basic video link.
In this case, the poster makes you watch on YT anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=war8zlIWoMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV1cUcL-ejU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef2SLZdhNrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=war8zlIWoMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV1cUcL-ejU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDEWlYbRUvE
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we had a pretty good turnout, it's hard to tell but the room was quite big.
I know that feeling! There used to be a place here in the Chicago 'burbs called Cubby Bear North that was like a freakin barn. You could put 200 people in there and it looked like a ghost town!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFewVIwshKQ
Once you peel away all the unfortunate trappings of the 1980s from this song, it ends up being a pretty good rocker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKY1wJlzqjo
And a bicentennial back in the glory days
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Jimmie Randall on bass, shortly after Mark Andes left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reJ87POH2do
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Slightly odd song, with one-line verses and no real chorus!
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They were Americans, Alan.
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Jimmie Randall on bass, shortly after Mark Andes left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reJ87POH2do
Randall is on the Facebook Thunderbird group, posts occasionally.
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They were Americans, Alan.
Oh right! Is this song in the Great American Songbook?
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Oh right! Is this song in the Great American Songbook?
No, but it should be. :mrgreen:
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Seriously, with its catchy, uplifting, yet minimalist hook it is very American in a good way. You guys excel at joyful music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5bcpjUjLpU
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Randall is on the Facebook Thunderbird group, posts occasionally.
That's good to hear.
52 years later, all the original members of Jo Jo Gunne plus Jimmie Randall are still living (don't know about the others). That's unusual for a 70s rock band.
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Seriously, with its catchy, uplifting, yet minimalist hook it is very American in a good way. You guys excel at joyful music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5bcpjUjLpU
Thank a fella named J.P. Sousa. One of the most brilliant march composers in history. Practically every march he ever wrote is an earworm. Marches may be out of favor as popular music, but every 4th you will find large crowds savoring every note, and his marches play continually with fireworks displays.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/John_Philip_Sousa_in_1922.jpg/330px-John_Philip_Sousa_in_1922.jpg)
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I like that march because it is so upbeat and life-affirming, nothing militaristic to it, even the freedom-lauding lyrics defy the usual nationalist themes.