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Gear Discussion Forums => Bass Amps & Effects => Topic started by: TBird1958 on January 23, 2009, 03:04:45 PM
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I looked thru and didn't see any "Show us your Rig" posts, so if it's okay how about it?
What are you using to make it all sound best?
I'll show you mine if you show me yours ;D
GK 1001RBII, 2 4x10 SBX + Line6..........and a Thunderbird.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/Line6046.jpg)
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I do love that purple bird Mark ! Almost the color of my first bike a metalic grape Schwinn Sting ray ! Ok here is my rig soon to be joined by a '75 Hiwatt DR201 ! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/img_0712.jpg)
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Here is my ride when I was a kid, I bought a reissue of one of these to ride around the hood lol Still my favorite thing as a kid, til it got stolen :( but now I have it back ;D (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/STINGRAY_PUR.jpg)
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Some day I WILL have a Marshall bass rig! That looks like ear bleeding heaven! :o
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/whereisgooge/rig2.jpg)
Here's a pic from a few years ago. My main rig is an Acoustic 320 with either a 408 (4x15) or 404 (6x12) cab. Tonight we're playing in the middle two lanes of a bowling alley so the 408 should fill the room nicely.
I'll try to remember to get an updated picture at the gig.
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(http://home.comcast.net/~n.leners/sunn_monolith2.jpg)
1970 Sunn Model T
197X Sunn 612S, 6x12 cabinet (left)
197X Sunn 215M, 2x15 side-ported cabinet (right)
My pedal board is kind of in disarray right now.
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hello!
pic taken by the phone:
(http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/16/l_399fc257c4334be9a5bd00005a4810ee.jpg)
lo fi pic!
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Great pic, Dzordz, I just love the slave and I need one once :)
I just sold my Orange head and cab and I bought a Hiwatt 410 + a Hiwatt DR201 200W head. Both brand new. As back up I have a mid eighties PCB Hiwatt Bass 100.
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chris.please describe soun difference between orange and hiwatt.
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I will after I used her next monday!
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Here's a shot from last night.
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/whereisgooge/bowlbrad.jpg)
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Rightous! Gibson and Acoustic.......
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Demeter HBP1 Preamp,Stewart 1.2 power amp bridged mono.GK Neo 4x12 and a very special red friend.
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wow, nice rigs on here guys :]
I just got a new rig... well new cabs anyway. Unfortunately I didnt try them out before I got them.... got a 15 that distorts way too easily, only good at low volume...a horn that distorts easier than that... and some REALLY scratchy pots. traded for a year old carvin 810 that had MAYBE 2 hours of use. Anyway, I really like the cabinets, i just need to get speakers now :[
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o154/louisboogins/DSCF1299.jpg)
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GK 2001RBP, Crown XLS402, Avatar 210 & 212. the pic is slightly misleading; the cabs are both 4ohm and the Crown doesn't do 2ohm loads.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/rsteiner/bassrig.jpg)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/rsteiner/rack1.jpg)
my son's GK 400RB-IV and 115
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/rsteiner/400rb-2.jpg)
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well, when I got my rig, I knew that one of the 10's was shot, so I didnt get to try the 210. The guy I got it from was cool enough to send me a check to cover replacing the 15 that turned out to be bad. I replaced the bad 10 today. Unfortunately the 10 that was in there distorts too :[
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300 watts of all tube goodness:
(http://www.mojohobo.com/images/Sunn.jpg)
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I love that Sunn !
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Wow, nice to see all these tubes.
Heres my old rig: Fender Studiobass 200W, Marshall 100W JMP superbass, Marshall 100W JCM 800 Superbass and a 4x12 JCM 400W cab, all tubeamps. Sold the Fender, sold the JCM and the cab. Now I'm left with the JMP and a JMP greenback 4x12 cab, it's all (more than) I need.
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well, I've been holding off getting decent pics of my rig... because I was planning on ditching the head and going separate pre amp and power amp... but I've had no luck unloading my carvin head... so I'm going to walmart and buying a sharpie :P
I'll post pics soon
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I'm travelling light these days.
(http://www.bassemporium.com/images_products/ABM115500Combo.jpg)
I did set this up and use it once, though. Not what I hoped for. I may sell the Bass Buddy.
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/gweimer/basses/BigRig1.jpg)
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Wow, nice to see all these tubes.
Heres my old rig: Fender Studiobass 200W, Marshall 100W JMP superbass, Marshall 100W JCM 800 Superbass and a 4x12 JCM 400W cab, all tubeamps. Sold the Fender, sold the JCM and the cab. Now I'm left with the JMP and a JMP greenback 4x12 cab, it's all (more than) I need.
A Studio Bass! I had one of those a couple of years back. Great concept, but poorly executed IMHO, as it was top heavy even with the EVM 15B. Would have been better as a short box 2x10. Sounded like a Hiwatt to my ears, with that big ultra-linear bark. Not my thing tone-wise, so I sold it and went back to my Ampegs.
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Fender Studio Bass IMO is the finest sounding Fender bass amp ever . They are very rare. I know one guy who has one and that's the only one I've ever played. I have only seen one other. As you mentioned, the big drawback is the weight, and it is a major drawback. Those suckers are freakin' heavy >:(
Rick
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i loved it with it's 3 tube-equalizer, 100% tube technology, but yes it was f****n' heavy although it sounded great with the Marshall cab. My intention was to make it a head-cab stack, but then i found the JMP wich has been my dream for years.
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i loved it with it's 3 tube-equalizer, 100% tube technology, but yes it was f****n' heavy although it sounded great with the Marshall cab. My intention was to make it a head-cab stack, but then i found the JMP wich has been my dream for years.
I'm a little bit suprised that a picture of that Studio Bass amp didn't draw more comments and drools from this crowd ??? Then again, there are so few around it's likely that few have ever seen or even heard of them.
Rick
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Here's the one I had, with a MIJ Squier P-Bass.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/lowend1/P3024188.jpg)
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I played one once, but it was made into a head. Very nice sounding amp, although the one I played had some hiss.
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I played one once, but it was made into a head. Very nice sounding amp, although the one I played had some hiss.
Interesting, one of the things that impressed me about the one that I played, is that it was dead silent. It was also incredibly clean, kind of like a Hiwatt but a bit more capable of getting dark and dirty if you wanted it. Very even tempered amp that felt strong at low or high volume. A lot of tube amps have a sweet spot, and that is usually at a higher volume. The Sudio Bass had a very large sweet spot. It had sort of a solid state personality with a tube sound . I don't know if that makes a bit of sense to anyone , but it works for me ;)
My Seymour Duncan solid state is a very similar sound and personality but it comes from the other direction. It's a solid state that gets very tube sounding.
Exactly the same.....only completely different ;D Glad I could clear that up for everyone???
Rick
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I was impressed by the one I played, although I just used it once when my amp was in repair. This one just needed some new parts here and there. Old and worn.
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My home rig consists of a Japanese made Pearl "Sun Flower" amp which basically is a copy of a Fender twin reverb but with a solid state circuit. It's currently without it's second 12 inch speaker. Effects come from a Line6 POD and I plug whatever I want into that set up.
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e22/guitarman91/100_0964.jpg)
My Bass rig is a fender Rumblebass 2x10 solid state combo which sounds really good, my basses are either my Five string Custom Jan Knooren or my self built Fenderbird.
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e22/guitarman91/100_0900.jpg)
My stage rig consists of a London City Bulldog Tube head 100 watts RMS and a matching London city 4x12 cab, I basically use my Boss GT5 floor unit to go from clean to overdrive and leave the crazy sounds that that thing can produce alone. I also love my GT 5 because it has a noise surpresser and a built in tuner. My guitars usually are my red self built Explorer or my LTD Eclipse (as seen in the first picture)
(http://www.barrock.nl/client/uploads/web37547.jpg)
This pictures shows my complete backline (although I still had a Marshall cab back then)
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It had sort of a solid state personality with a tube sound . I don't know if that makes a bit of sense to anyone , but it works for me ;)
Makes perfect sense to me - that's why I sold the Studio Bass AND my Hiwatt DR103! To me, nothing sounds more like bass than old Ampegs.
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Makes perfect sense to me - that's why I sold the Studio Bass AND my Hiwatt DR103! To me, nothing sounds more like bass than old Ampegs.
Oh I agree with that.
Recently my band Slavantas moved to another rehearsal space, and our bass player Peter (who's also my younger brother) has been playing over this wonderful eighties SVT head and 4x10 cab and we, as a band, never have sounded so full. His bass playing is like a solid foundation thanks to that amp.
So now our lead singer is pushing him to get one of those amps himself, not realizing that Ampegs (and the old ones in particular) are expensive. Not to mention a LOAD to carry around. But the sound makes up for that.
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Makes perfect sense to me - that's why I sold the Studio Bass AND my Hiwatt DR103! To me, nothing sounds more like bass than old Ampegs.
You won't get an argument out of me. I love all three of the amps you mentioned, but if I did a side by side comparison and had to make a choice, I'd probably be sittin' here with an SVT :)
I grew up playing Ampeg for 20 years or so and for me the B-15, B-18 and SVT are still the gold standard. The first two are a bit underpowered for most situations today,the third is too freakin' heavy and they're all too damn expensive these days. But yeah, they have THE bass sound down :)
Rick
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You won't get an argument out of me. I love all three of the amps you mentioned, but if I did a side by side comparison and had to make a choice, I'd probably be sittin' here with an SVT :)
I grew up playing Ampeg for 20 years or so and for me the B-15, B-18 and SVT are still the gold standard. The first two are a bit underpowered for most situations today,the third is too freakin' heavy and they're all too damn expensive these days. But yeah, they have THE bass sound down :)
Rick
That's why I refer to this as the world's largest practice amp ;D. I use some smaller, newer 'pegs as the grab 'n go rig (B50R stacked atop a B100R with a outboard tube preamp) - but these old friends (seen here with the Frankenstein P-Bird and '78 Orange) are still The Truth to me!
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/lowend1/Rig1.jpg)
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That's a pretty nice pile -o- stuff you got there ;D
Rick
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(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/Bluesbob/mini-rigofdoom.jpg)
This is the rig, but the rack grew.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/Bluesbob/TheUltimateRack.jpg)
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These days my main rig is an Alembic F-1X into a QSC PLX1804 and a pair of SWR Goliath Jrs ....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%20Sydney%202009/mingaramark.jpg)
Although sometimes I'll go a bit silly and bring along a third cab just for kicks .....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%20Sydney%202009/rigstack.jpg)
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Hey Mark, what's that P up front? Looks vintage (and thumpy)...
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Missed this one... All my gears a bit scruffy, really...
(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/Front%20Page/20090307002.jpg)
1970 Hiwatt DR103 "SWITCH" variant (think Dave Gilmour) - in need of some minor repairs and upgrades...
1970 Marshall 100w 4x12 (with a missing speaker) - pending replacenent of the remaining original celestions...
I also have a 1968 Marshall 50w "smallbox" amp which needs work desperately...
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Hey Mark, what's that P up front? Looks vintage (and thumpy)...
George, that's one of my Nashes. The dakota red and oly white ones are both PB63s with Lollars. I also have a Nash 51P that is a monster blues machine.
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Just a question, Mark... ever run into my cousin...? same name but a guitarist based in Sydney, used to play in Mr Blonde...
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Just a question, Mark... ever run into my cousin...? same name but a guitarist based in Sydney, used to play in Mr Blonde...
Well, there's 4 million people in Sydney, but I've never met a guitarist here named Kenny. Also, I lived away from Sydney between 1984 and 2007, so I can't say my Sydney muso network is as good as it could be.
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Here is my updated rig with a 1975 Hiwatt DR201 form SLADE's backline ! Also in the pic s my custom Jaydee Jim Lea Bass (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/SladeHiwattJimLeabass001.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/SladeHiwattJimLeabass003.jpg)
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Scott,
You must have one very healthy spine!
Seriously that is an awesome rig - my bandmates would crap if I showed up with that!
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Always a pleasure to see your rig, Scott... 8)
Mark... there are 2 Ken/Kenny Stewart's working out of Sydney (the other one's band is/was called Urban Guerilla or something), and although my "cuzzie" reckons he had some minor success, I've never met an/conversed with an Oz that had heard of him, either... ;D
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He's a recent photo of my rig. Genx-Benz GBE1200, X2-XDR-95 Wireless, 2 x Genz-Benz GB410T-XB3 (4 ohm each) cabs.
(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/Thornton_Davis/Sept_09_DSCF0675_A.jpg)
TD
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That's a new one on me, TD... any comparison for an old "valve-head" like me...?
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Here's what I use. Well, minus that Envelope filter pedal; I just don't have a lot of luck with pedals sounding good to me.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2045/1878307724_73b1bafbeb.jpg)
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I love that Studio T Bird. I've got to find a 5 string version..
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I like that Studio Bird to................................... I should have bought one.
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Cherry 5er!
I want one - but that's one sweet 4 stringer too - Cherry stain 'Bird = sexy
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You keep growing that collection of yours and you're going to have to go WIDESCREEN... ;D
Uwe... he went IMAX years back...
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Here's my humble setup. A Mesa Scout with a the 300w amp built into the 12" cab and an additional 15" Mesa cab that I just love. It can really hold its own with a rock band and doesn't break my back! This is actually a 4 speaker set up. There's an additional radiating speaker built into the bottom of both cabs that directs sound down and out. On stage, it's awesome to hear!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/mesarig.jpg)
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Thanks guys!
I love that amp also my good Doctor. It is the amp I like to use whenever I'm at a shop playing something new; it has such a great sound and can be as versatile as you need. One day I'll have to actually own one.
The Gretsch is nice as well. ;)
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I recently "retired" from the cover band I spent the past 7 years with. Just getting to tired to do it anymore at 48. Probably the same reason this setup always stays in the house!
(http://i35.tinypic.com/345o8pi.jpg)
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Hornisse, for the benefit of rank amateurs like me would you like to explain that bass?
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I'm in the process of re-covering my 12" EV cab and waiting for my new 1000w EVX-155 to turn up so my rig currently looks worse than Kens ;)
I too believe in the sound of Ampeg and run an SVP-PRO with my own selection of Telefunken Nos tubes into an EV active crossover, Perreaux Mosfet power amp (soon-ishly to be replaced by a Powersoft D2004 which is 8.5Kg in a 1u rack 500W RMS per channel into 8 Ohms Digital power amp)
I will post some pics once I've got things tidied up a bit.
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That looks like a Rick Turner Electroline with the diamond pickup.
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Too tired at 48!
Come on now, I'm 51 and still humpin' a hugh rig around - with my sissy girlie arms!
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At least you still look sexy Mark! I look like a fat old dude up there. Our singers are 25 and 30 and I have kids around that same age. Plus being a mailman I have to work on Saturdays which makes it difficult doing Friday shows. Maybe if I drop around 60 pounds and die my hair black......(hmmmm....) :mrgreen:
Dave is correct that the bass is an early 1990's Rick Turner Electroline bass with both the diamond magnetic and piezo bridge pickups. I always loved the Rick Turner era Alembic basses (1971 - 78) and I wanted an Electroline since they came out (but could not afford one) and this one came up recently at Bass Northwest. I'm glad that store is not closer to my house or I'd be there every day talking with Evan and Steve Fossen.
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I wondered why I couldn't remember seeing the Turner before. Good to know it's not my brain. :)
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Bret... OOOYYY!!! I resemble that remark...!!! ;D
Mark... who's this Hugh you're humpin'...? :o
... and Hornisse, I'm 50 and lookin' forward to finding a regular gig... ;)
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Our singers are 25 and 30
I turned 48 this month, and our singers and dancers range from 16 to 25. Our guitarist is 58.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%20Sydney%202009/rootyhillevan.jpg)
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It's all I can do to stay away from Bassnw, barely 20min from my house. Evan is a great guy, he really knows basses esp. Thunderbirds, and happily I've had the chance to chat with Steve a few times too, first class guy all the way!
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There is a Turner Electroline on Ebay with no reserve. It is up to $500 with a lot of time yet. Uwe should get one as these were supposedly the basses Turner was designing for Gibson when he went to work for them in the late 1980's!
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Thanks guys!
I love that amp also my good Doctor. It is the amp I like to use whenever I'm at a shop playing something new; it has such a great sound and can be as versatile as you need. One day I'll have to actually own one.
The Gretsch is nice as well. ;)
I agree, it's a great little amp. The first time I heard this and the Pulse, I just cringed. I had to have a Mesa and this one fit my needs the best. The tube pre-amp just makes the tone so smooth and rich sounding. Some day, I'll get a pulse too, just for fun! I started with the Scout amp and added the 15" cab a little later. With both of them running, I can keep up with the typical R&R band and sound system.
I also quit my band recently because hauling stuff around at 59 just plain sucks all the fun out of it. Not to mention a couple members were goof offs and pains in the tush. Not really a good time anymore.
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I'd played with the same drummer for nearly 7 years. He left to join another band that works more and I can't fault him for that. He is a great drummer. The guy we got to replace him just did not do it for me. I was voting for another guy after auditions but was outvoted by the leader. He said the new guy had more "personality" which doesn't always equate to great time keeping ability!
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I've left bands for the same reason. I don't think others (even other band guys) realize just how much the drummer matters in a band. Makes all the difference in the world to me as a bass player and to the audience as well, even if they don't know it.
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I don't think others (even other band guys) realize just how much the drummer matters in a band. Makes all the difference in the world to me as a bass player and to the audience as well, even if they don't know it.
You got that right! Even when they do realize it, they don't realize it to the extent that the bass player does. I jam with a few different groups of musicians and there is one drummer that I get together with now and then, who is every bass players dream. He leads , he follows, he has his own seperate line of communication going with every musician at the same time, and whenever there is a hole in anything he fixes it instantly. Everyone knows he is really good , but I know it best ;).
Rick
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Quit a great guitarist, and I mean REALLY good (named Rick Kaczyk (Polish name - Kashik - sbelin?); he was unemployed; 1st thing he did when he got up was turn on his amp; often practiced for 10 hours straight... but he just dissapeared off the face, don't know how, maybe I do...) in '83, as the drummer was putting all his spare cash "up his nose"... when he was "straight", he was great...
I tried to explain this to the guitarist but all I got was, "I've known him since school, man...". Anyway, 2 weeks later there was an ad in the Melody Maker looking for a bass player and a drummer... whatever...
I've never played with a better or more dedicated musician... it was this that ended my attempts to go pro and I went back to full-time employment...
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Jeez George dont get me started on drummers...... :sad:
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More drummers should be like Victor DeLorenzo. No kick. No drum stool either.
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I'd played with the same drummer for nearly 7 years. He left to join another band that works more and I can't fault him for that. He is a great drummer. The guy we got to replace him just did not do it for me. I was voting for another guy after auditions but was outvoted by the leader. He said the new guy had more "personality" which doesn't always equate to great time keeping ability!
Personality???? Since when did a drummer need that? I was thrilled when ours could mount his drum stool without falling off the back of the stage! ;)
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More drummers should be like Victor DeLorenzo. No kick. No drum stool either.
I agree. I did a couple gigs once with a solo guitarist/sinner who invited a friend for some drumming back up. The guy showed up with a snare, stool and highhat. And he only used brushes, not sticks. He sounded fantastic! I'm looking for something like that again.
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I was thrilled when ours could mount his drum stool
I've seen drummers so out of it that they've tried that too.
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I've seen drummers so out of it that they've tried that too.
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hell-o!
this is my rig of doom ;):
(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/51/l_8d0601ace45943ea8dfbe7166c2e65a3.jpg)
sansamp is used just to split signal.kustom is my dirty channel,and rest is bassdriven low,mid module.
regards!
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Mine is in boxes till Christmas...I'll post it then.
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(http://www.superfloor.net/ad200+b40.jpg)
This is the combination I've been using the most lately.
An Ampeg B40 cab with an Orange AD200 amp.
The Ampeg cab spent almost 10 years in the attic as a night table. It is not the most efficient cab in the world. It does not deliver tight lows.
Nothing like the Eden D210XLT cabs that I have.
But the combination of the Orange AD200 with the Eden cabs kept getting me into trouble. Every gig the rest of the band and/or soundman kept complaining about the sub lows.
So I thought; let's see what happens if I put a "not so efficient" cab under that Orange AD200.
Et voila: a perfect match! The sound is really growly and compact.
Funny enough, I use the Eden D210XLT cabs with the Ampeg V4B that was originally made for the Ampeg B40!
(http://b0.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00493/03/11/493171130_l.jpg)
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Are you using a pick in that pic Rob?
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I think so, yes.
I use both techniques, finger style and pick.
Depends on the song.
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I love the sound and use a pick sometimes. Rarely though because I just find it restrictive and that frustrates me. I guess I should just practice with one more :rolleyes:
As my guitarist says "make sure you have your cup of concrete each morning Bret!" (ie Harden up!) LOL ;)
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I've just learned enough to start using a pick in the last month. The key for me was one of the guitarists tell me to go ahead and pick in one direction instead of trying to always pick in both. that got me started - and I'm learning to alternate directions now.
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(http://i47.tinypic.com/6ntw0p.jpg)
During the last 7 years of gigging I've had a lot of different setups but this was always my favorite rig. Inside the Calzone case from top is:
Furman PL Plus
Boss TU50
DBX 160X
Yamaha PB1
QSC PLX 1602
Eden 410T with 4 Kendrick Black Label bass speakers (they don't make them anymore)
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here's mine. i using the plush since the svt needs work. and thats not an 8X10. its a 4X10+1X15 cab
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x120/yrofrat/044.jpg)
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(http://www.superfloor.net/ad200+b40.jpg)
This is the combination I've been using the most lately.
An Ampeg B40 cab with an Orange AD200 amp.
The Ampeg cab spent almost 10 years in the attic as a night table. It is not the most efficient cab in the world. It does not deliver tight lows.
Nothing like the Eden D210XLT cabs that I have.
But the combination of the Orange AD200 with the Eden cabs kept getting me into trouble. Every gig the rest of the band and/or soundman kept complaining about the sub lows.
So I thought; let's see what happens if I put a "not so efficient" cab under that Orange AD200.
Et voila: a perfect match! The sound is really growly and compact.
Funny enough, I use the Eden D210XLT cabs with the Ampeg V4B that was originally made for the Ampeg B40!
(http://b0.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00493/03/11/493171130_l.jpg)
I love B40 cabs! Does yours have the original speakers, Rob? Mine is a later model with the recessed metal handles and black ozite covering - late 1970s. Unfortunately, I got it empty, and stuffed it with Peavey Scorpions, which will handle alot of power but are a much "tighter" speaker than the Eminence Alnico that it was originally equipped with. Actually (if memory serves), the B40 rig was a 120w head - a solid state unit - with the 410 bottom. The V4B cab was a folded horn design with a pair of 15s. I never cared for the sound of the old Ampegs through 15" speakers. OTOH, the 10s always sounded just right for bass.
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I like those old Ampegs too. And the Plush is just cool!
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(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3198/myrigie0.jpg)
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Here's my behringer amp and 1x15 with a double hiwatt (plus a 2x12" cab) and an old ANAX tube combo amp (2x12") in restoration phase.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/kwstas79/ANAX-HIWATT-BERRY.jpg?t=1259508974)
Sometimes when the geetardist isn't around I use one of his hiwatts, but please don't tell him, he maybe spank me.
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Hanging some soft material like rugs or carpet from the walls (and dropping carpet on the floor) would make that room much less acoustically live - your rehearsals would probably sound better.
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Here was my rig live.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/e7axk2.jpg)
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Hanging some soft material like rugs or carpet from the walls (and dropping carpet on the floor) would make that room much less acoustically live - your rehearsals would probably sound better.
Thanx for the advice, I know that stuff already, but that rehearsal room is not complet yet, we're still workin on it! :)
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Here's my little outfit. I've been practicing with the NR quite a bit lately.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/bigtreebluesea/DSC05893a.jpg)
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Here's my no 1 rig. AD200B MK II, BPE 115 and OBC 410. I don't have any pics of the other one but it consists of a Hiwatt DR201 and a Fender Bassman 4x12".
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/doombass/AD200_rigg.jpg)
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Exiled... all those HIWATT's is just being plain greedy... ;D ;D ;D
What era are they, and does the "exiled" one go by any other name...?
Robert... what is your rig, and why are you hiding your drummer behind a screen... ? ;D
Dannedoom (Danne?) ... and yet another HIWATT owner... ;D ;D ;D
What era's yours...?
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We didn't always keep him in a cage!
(http://i50.tinypic.com/24g4vfn.jpg)
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He's got my hairstyle... ;D
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Exiled... all those HIWATT's is just being plain greedy... ;D ;D ;D
What era are they, and does the "exiled" one go by any other name...?
I know, he's a greedy bastard. They are vintage amps, not reissues, that's all I know.
But they sound damn good.
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Has he got them registered with Mark Huss...? (acknowledged expert on the beasties - check out his web-site http://mhuss.com/Hiwatt/index.html (http://mhuss.com/Hiwatt/index.html) - lots of juicy details, and he is really helpful with advice on vintage kit; also has links for spares...)
Mine's a 1970 with a 3 figure serial number, built by Dave Reeves (RIP) in his garage, which is about five miles from here...
Oops... I got all nerdy... :o
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Snapped a current shot of the setup I'm using with the fabulous Thunderbirds*:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/thunderbird/DSCF0406.jpg)
*not to be confused with the Fabulous Thunderbirds
Here's a gig pic... the usual cellphone variety:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/live/DSC00127.jpg)
The head is an AD200 Mk3, and the cab is an SVT 410. I have a similar 210 cab, but usually just leave that one parked and use it for a practice setup.
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Has he got them registered with Mark Huss...? (acknowledged expert on the beasties - check out his web-site http://mhuss.com/Hiwatt/index.html (http://mhuss.com/Hiwatt/index.html) - lots of juicy details, and he is really helpful with advice on vintage kit; also has links for spares...)
Mine's a 1970 with a 3 figure serial number, built by Dave Reeves (RIP) in his garage, which is about five miles from here...
Oops... I got all nerdy... :o
I don't think so, but he's got a Hiwatt t-shirt. Does that count? :P
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Dannedoom (Danne?) ... and yet another HIWATT owner... ;D ;D ;D
What era's yours...?
My name is Daniel but most people call me Danne (common nick for Dan and Daniel in Sweden). Mine is a reissue, probably from around 2003.
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Oops... I got all nerdy... :o
We ALL do that here. That's why we get along so well. :mrgreen:
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I never see my "rig" except when I'm on stage, and never thought to bring a camera to take a pic of it, but here's a few shots that show my amp. Ampeg Rocketbass 100 with Sansamp VT bass and Fulltone Bass Drive. Certainly not impressive to look at but sounds fantastic.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/iamthebassman/nigelsonic3-1-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/iamthebassman/nigelsonic2-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/iamthebassman/MAC_Eggmen_Paramount_92-1.jpg)
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I don't think so, but he's got a Hiwatt t-shirt. Does that count? :P
:thumbsup:
My name is Daniel but most people call me Danne (common nick for Dan and Daniel in Sweden). Mine is a reissue, probably from around 2003.
A mere babe in arms, Danne... 8)
We ALL do that here. That's why we get along so well. :mrgreen:
The kids may be able to sample some biscuits and raisins for Christmas, IYKWIM ... ;)
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ehhhhhhh, FWIW here is a snap of my work in progress rig. just got the cab today and although i promised Rick the speakers were going in ASAP, i have to prepare to drive to Calif. G/F is flying out for a funeral and i am driving out to meet her and stay for Christmas. sorry about the check out Rick, the report will have to wait till i get back after New Years. (sigh)
the work in progress = mounting the G12T-75 speakers (presently in a big box supporting my computer) making it basically Marshall speakers in a Fender cab, the logo on the head and regrill clothing the speaker cab as i think the cloth is put on sideways but i will have to research that deal to make sure i am right before proceeding.
(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/cathousemouse/my%20rig/myrig.jpg)
so what if they don't match i'm not prejed, predge, racist. my new grandchild arriving in April is a Mulligan mix and dats the way life/love...and sometimes music is!
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AMEN, O.P., AMEN...!
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It's about time we saw something ;) Now get those freakin' speakers in there!! ;D
Rick
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A Line 6 BassPODXTLive is in front of these systems. The non-BOSE ones move lots of air and the last is a favorite.
Large outdoor stage with FOH system:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/Johnny_Crab/OutdoorRigFXd.jpg)
No FOH, all band members use 1 BOSE PAS each, this one outdoors in winter(hence the fingerless gloves):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/Johnny_Crab/ColdGlovesOCT2007.jpg)
BOSE down for repairs, indoors, medium to large room(PS: the Epi ProV TB's are nice):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/Johnny_Crab/106_2244Fxd.jpg)
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Here it is....portable but mighty!
Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.0 and two 12T speakers - 600 watts of power, a total of less than 70 pounds for amp and two speakers!!
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/PC250031.jpg)
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Hey Pilgrim, I was wondering if anybody else had a Genz-Benz. I got a Shuttle last year - my fourth teeny head... i went through 3 generations of Acoustic Image heads before I decided I needed something with better EQ and a bit of overdrive.
I use the Shuttle 6.0 into an EA CXL112 and EA CXL110. I've only had one gig since I got the Shuttle and damn I wish I was playing more these days... it sounded SO FREAKING GOOD. Bass at that gig was a Gibson LPB-1.
Why didn't I have this gear back when I played a lot! Such is life.
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Recent rig pic just for the heck of it ....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%20Sydney%202009/rootyhillstage.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%20Sydney%202009/rootyhillrig.jpg)
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Just a couple of effects, Mark... ;D
It's about time we saw something ;) Now get those freakin' speakers in there!! ;D
(The UK is presently shut due to snow - normal service will resume shortly...)
Patience, dear boy, patience... ;D
(presently signed off sick for 2 weeks so intend to finalise what I'll go for and order once the weather improves - nothing is going to get delivered with any certainty until a thaw sets in...)
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Hey Pilgrim, I was wondering if anybody else had a Genz-Benz. I got a Shuttle last year - my fourth teeny head... i went through 3 generations of Acoustic Image heads before I decided I needed something with better EQ and a bit of overdrive.
I use the Shuttle 6.0 into an EA CXL112 and EA CXL110. I've only had one gig since I got the Shuttle and damn I wish I was playing more these days... it sounded SO FREAKING GOOD. Bass at that gig was a Gibson LPB-1.
Why didn't I have this gear back when I played a lot! Such is life.
I was running a Sunn Coliseum-300 with a single Peavey 15 before this, and I had a G-K 4x10 cab that I could add and drop the resistance to 4 ohms.
But I got the chance to play through this Shuttle 6.0 and it did EVERYTHING the single 15 did, and the amp and speaker weighed 15 pounds less than the Peavey cab by itself. Heck, the combo weighed the same as the Sunn head!
I bought the Shuttle and two 12T speakers, and immediately sold the Peavey and G-K cabs. NO MORE heavy bass cabs for me. I kept the Sunn head because I really like it.
Now I have three heads and one cab I'm not using:
1967 blackface Bassman
200? Hartke 1400
Sunn Coliseum-300
Homemade cab with a single 12" speaker.
The only thing that will be going out the door from now on is the Genz-Benz system. My back likes me again, and my ears love the sound!
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(http://www.blaat.net/bass/stack-01.jpg)
(http://www.blaat.net/bass/stack-02.jpg)
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I would love to see a close up of that Ric 4000 :o I had one in the early 80's The store I was working at bought up a lot of them, I bought it dirt cheap best sounding Ric ever. Like a fool i sold it :sad: Nice rig btw glad to see a Marshall in there ! Is that just a power amp ? How do you like it ?
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I would love to see a close up of that Ric 4000 :o I had one in the early 80's The store I was working at bought up a lot of them, I bought it dirt cheap best sounding Ric ever. Like a fool i sold it :sad: Nice rig btw glad to see a Marshall in there ! Is that just a power amp ? How do you like it ?
The Marshall is a 9200 power amp with (2 x 4) 5881 (6L6) power tubes. I like it very much so far. Have not been able to test it at war volume yet but it does a pretty good Jah Wobble imitiation without any problem. So there's no lack of clean low's from this supposedly guitar amp.
4000 pictures are not for this topic.
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I don't think we are so rigid as some forums but if you are worried why not post a picture in the Ric forum ? Besides Marshalls and Rics got together like peanut butter ad jelly...............................very on topic for us. ;D
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Must be gettin' near time for someone to post a new shot of their augmented rig, not mentioning no "butchers"... ;)
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No gigs till the end of Feb, Everything is huddled under tarps in the carriage house :sad: Beside I still have to buy drivers for the blasted cab. :-[
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Had to read that twice... thought you said "carnage house..." :o ;)
My Eminence pair arrive today so time to strip my Marshall cab...
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Excellent !
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I forgot the computer/music room Rig:
(http://www.400x.nl/b-115/b-115enbassman63.jpg)
A '74 Rickenbacker B-115 tube bass amplifier (the only tube bass amp Rickenbacker made as far as I know) and a '63 Fender Bassman (and an early '73 Rick).
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I would love to see a close up of that Ric 4000.
Here (http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=3350.0) they are.
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Picked up that 2x15 yesterday. An all Sunn outfit. :)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/bigtreebluesea/DSC05931a.jpg)
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That has got to be a great sounding set up Denis ;D. I love that old Sunn stuff.
Rick
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Thanks, Rick! I just tried out the 2x15 and it's ferocious! Before I plug both into the head, I'm going to check the wiring to make sure they haven't been rewired. Don't want to damage the Coliseum.
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Those Sunn cabinets look awesome Denis. Make sure you don't break any windows while cranking up the Coliseum!
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Denis,
What kind of speakers are you running in those Sunn cabs......JBL??
Rick
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I'll bet that's the loudest 300 watts in captivity!
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Those Sunn cabinets look awesome Denis. Make sure you don't break any windows while cranking up the Coliseum!
Thanks! If I keep the volume at 2 I can play it in the house. :)
Denis,
What kind of speakers are you running in those Sunn cabs......JBL??
Rick
The 2x15 still has the Sunn-stamped speakers in it but I haven't looked in the 4x12 yet. Hmm, maybe I should get some beer and do an exploratory surgery... Which manufacturer typically supplied speakers to Sunn?
I'll bet that's the loudest 300 watts in captivity!
It is in my neighborhood, that's for sure. Bet I could stampede cattle with that rig. Hmm...
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now that's a cool ass rig!. go Sunn! so by runnin' 2 cabs, are you at 2 Ohms?
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That is awesome !
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Thanks, guys! I'm happy as can be with the way this sounds. If the cabs are still wired as original then yep, I'm at 2ohms!
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Some day I WILL have a Marshall bass rig! That looks like ear bleeding heaven! :o
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/whereisgooge/rig2.jpg)
Here's a pic from a few years ago. My main rig is an Acoustic 320 with either a 408 (4x15) or 404 (6x12) cab. Tonight we're playing in the middle two lanes of a bowling alley so the 408 should fill the room nicely.
I'll try to remember to get an updated picture at the gig.
can you post pics of those cabs?
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Are you asking about the Acoustic cabs or everything in the picture? The only things I still have that are in that picture are the Acoustic rig and the Precision. GAS is a terrible thing... ;D
The 404 cab is long gone as well. I think I have an old picture on the computer...I'll upload it. I'm going to the rehearsal space later and can take pics of the 408 if you wish.
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/whereisgooge/404naked.jpg)
I do miss this cab.. it was punchy like an 8x10 but had a little more bottom end.
EDIT: I forgot to bring my camera so I can take pictures of the 408 Friday at the Studio.
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thats very cool. but i'm most interested in seeing that 4 X 15!!!
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since i got the ol' Peavey 4X12 with Scorpion speakers at 4 ohms my Plush sounds great! no noise and no Mexican Radio. my other cab is 8 Ohm.?
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x120/yrofrat/hhhkkk001.jpg)(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x120/yrofrat/hhhkkk002.jpg)(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x120/yrofrat/hhhkkk003.jpg)
since the B25 isn't working it doesn't get a full shot.
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At the opposite end of the spectrum, we do several concerts with an orchestra every year. I/we have to keep the stage volume low as there are many boom mics on stage micing the orchestra, you get the idea. Anyway, I've always used my Ampeg B100R combo which sounds great at "normal" volume but not so much at low volume(IMO). So, I tried this rig the other day at rehearsals and loved it. I run the lows to the Vox and the highs to the Fender, works great!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/iamthebassman/longhorns001.jpg)
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I can't believe the amount of vintage Valve gear on here, here's mine, not so vintage but all good stuff.
Trace Elliot V8 with matching 810 cab, plus my old AH150 and Twinvalve with my Hartley Thompson 410 Reflex
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We have no problems with "trannies" round here so feel free to come out of the closet any time you like... ;D
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Trace Elliot V8 with matching 810 cab
nice, i bet thats loud- i had a v4 for ages and that was good.
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nice, i bet thats loud- i had a v4 for ages and that was good.
Oh yes, way to loud, I did think that the V4 was really a much better amp unless you played stadiums, I just don't seem to be able to get the thing up to temperature, although if I play at a small venue they have to turn the heating down and great for when you're fingers are cold just let the fans blow those 8 KT88's.
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Just added this for home practice and recording ....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Ampeg%20SB-12/AmpegSB-12Portaflex001.jpg)
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Nice score Mark! Hope it wasn't too expensive.
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Nice score Mark! Hope it wasn't too expensive.
AUD$910, delivered to my office personally by the owner (Paul Christie - Mondo Rock/Party Boys/Kevin Borich Express)
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and all together nice guy :) I doubt he would remember me but I've met him a few times and we have a few mutual friends/musical aquaintences.
I'm envious mate that will definitely sound better than my Eden Nemesis 115 to practice through.
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The tolex took 3 hours to get off. Next up, a good clean.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Ampeg%20SB-12/DSC01991.jpg)
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Wow. That is a nice score!
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Awesome, that's got to be the best practice rig I've ever seen.
Oh we want pictures of the guts and the little glass bottles :mrgreen:
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Awesome, that's got to be the best practice rig I've ever seen.
Oh we want pictures of the guts and the little glass bottles :mrgreen:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Ampeg%20SB-12/ampeg4.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Ampeg%20SB-12/ampeg1.jpg)
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haha awesome! ;D
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(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Ampeg%20SB-12/ampeg4.jpg)
That is an awesome photo!
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Bastid!!!
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Hi there - new to this forum but have posted some of these before on the TB site:
Home Practice Rig:
(http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj401/stiles72/Gibson%20THOR/TBIRDTHOR001.jpg?t=1268158556)
Small Shows:
(http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj401/stiles72/63%20Portaflex/PortaflexFinished058.jpg?t=1264193151)
Medium Sized Bars:
(http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj401/stiles72/Ampeg-SLM/V4BH215.jpg?t=1266943280)
Big Dumb Rock Shows - old photo. Don't use the SR's anymore except for some studio work and have sold some of them off.
(http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj401/stiles72/Ampeg-SLM/basses004.jpg?t=1264192992)
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Welcome! I really hope you are using earplugs! ;D
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Welcome aboard! You've got some killer amps and wood there... ;)
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Nice to see you here Clint!
Were you using a semi for the "big dumb rock show"? Hope you had some roadies at least ;D
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SORRY... WHAT DID YOU SAY... I CAN'T HEAR YOU... THE BASS PLAYERS PLAYING TOO LOUD AGAIN...!!! ;D
Welcome... ;)
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Styles,
Are those SVT3 Pro's in "Classic" headcases?
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No roadies - I wish! Another local guy kept adding 15's to his rig, and so it became a mini "arms race" for a while between him and me. A friendly competition of sorts. ;) Most of the time I would just use 2 of them because they wouldn't all fit onstage. Yes - they are SVT-3 Pros loaded into SVT-CL housings. When I got the first one, I didn't have enough cash to get a 2-Pro or a CL, so I opted for what I could afford and figured I'd dress it up a bit. I actually dont run them as loud as the look - I'm pretty sensible about my stage volume :mrgreen:
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I think most of the sets I've played in my life had fewer songs than you had basses in that photo!
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Welcome aboard, I saw the "Big Dumb Rock Show" pic on the TB Ibanez thread. I have it as one of my wallpapers! :D
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(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2007/73644.jpg)
-1977 Hiwatt DR 103
-1994 Ampeg SVT810E
-2009 EBS CL212
Plus a third of my basses...
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Is your Waterstone a 32" scale?
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Is your Waterstone a 32" scale?
No, a 34". It's the first generation version with the signature decal inside and the dreaded 52mm saddle width.:)
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It's hard to tell from the pic; is it green over flame? If it is, I have its twin.
(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu183/PsychoBassGuy/b3e53da3.jpg)
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It's black. Serial number 120412.
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Very clean looking Hiwatt, compared to my '70... have you registered her with Mark Huss...? (world-wide Hiwatt registration site)
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No, a 34". It's the first generation version with the signature decal inside and the dreaded 52mm saddle width.:)
Tell more about the saddle widths. I've heard they also made 48mm spacing too? Is the 52mm too wide?
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Tell more about the saddle widths. I've heard they also made 48mm spacing too? Is the 52mm too wide?
Well, it's wide but I've used to it so it's hard to say. I understand those who think it is too wide though!
I'm not sure but I think the 48mm is the standard now?
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Very clean looking Hiwatt, compared to my '70... have you registered her with Mark Huss...? (world-wide Hiwatt registration site)
Her? Should I get sentimental with my amp? ;)
Yes, it's clean and in all-around good condition. I've had it for 13 years and never had a problem. I should get another one though. Someday hopefully.
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I tend to consider some forms of technology to have a spirit all of their own... I workd on Concorde in the '70'sand early 80's and she could never be an it, neither could my instruments nor amps... in the west, most ships are considered feminine, whilst in many Slavic/Cyrillic nations they are viewed from a masculine perspective... most instruments have curves and numerous psychologists would point out the neck with interest... ;D
Each to their own (forms of insanity), Pekka... each to their own ... ;)
Coming back to Mark Huss... his site gives accurate details of age and he is more than helpful when offering advice... mine was built by Dave Reeves and may be a one-off, although visually she looks like a DR103S - the serial number plate calls her a "SWITCH", which Mr Huss believes to be the only one...? At some point I intend to replace the 1969 power caps (as recommended) and I will provide him with an accurate wiring diagram, for his records...
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It's only knock and know-all but I like it[/i] ;D
I think I checked the age from Mark's seite (I bought it as a 1973). One of the caps is original, dated
also 1977. I'll be getting them changed sometime in the future too.
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Plus a third of my basses...
Incl. a short scale Rick "tribute"???
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Incl. a short scale Rick "tribute"???
Wha? No, no, it's a real 1991 4003JG but may look like a shortscale in that picture if the Hamer was a B12S. It is in fact a Franken-Hamer that has a neck from a Korean made CH-12 and a custom built B12S -style body.
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Aha! That explains that then, I was gauging it from the Hamer 12 string which I know are usually short scale.
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After 25+ years of use and abuse my 400w EVM 15L has been replaced by a brand new 1000w EVX-155 (a couple of months ago) and yesterday I recieved the replacement for my old EVM 12L. I decided to go with the 300w Zakk Wylde sig version rather than the Classic one just because of the claimed extra capacity for abuse. I run them bi-amped. I was in the shed last night re-covering the custom 12" cab that EV built for me in the late 80's. I figure that if it sounds good and works well dont screw with it. The 15" is in a standard TL 606 cab. I use an EV XEQ-3 active crossover.
Like one of these
(http://www.fineav.com/Forum/TBoard/Tboard_buysell/2327/EV.jpg)
The new and the old 15's
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t253/Freuds_cat/EVX-155/RIMG0098.jpg)
The ZW EVM 12L
(http://www.toutlehautparleur.com/images/ElectroVoice/EVM12LBLACKLABEL.2.gr.jpg)
I love the sound of these speakers.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/iamthebassman/31813_1494661650793_1361621556_1-1.jpg)
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Nearly back to spec...
(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/Peter%20Cook%20Custom/CARD004.jpg)
Ronn to Bret - two (bi) polar oposites...? ;)
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at last, someone who plays through a combo! 8)
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Dont get me wrong Ken, I love the classic style bass amps that you, Scott and Rob use and would almost commit heinous crimes to obtain one. The problem in Oz is in firstly finding a decent specimen and secondly swallowing my disgust at having to pay what usually turns out to be double the price you guys in the UK and US would regard as normal. I'm envious of Mark D for picking up that Ampeg SB-12 recently.
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Kenny, that looks awesome!
:toast:
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It's getting there, Ramone, it's getting there... ;)
Crikey Bret, you could have walked in the factory and bought one when you lived in my part of the world... ;D And do get me right... don't forget that I'm an old hair-metal fogey... lethally cool speakers...
Whilst Ronn's combo shows us all that great things can come in little packages... size does not matter... ;)
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Nearly back to spec...
(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/Peter%20Cook%20Custom/CARD004.jpg)
Ronn to Bret - two (bi) polar oposites...? ;)
That looks great Kenny !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My little corner of the house... All rigs get used depending on the gig situation... 74 SVT on top a Berg 610, 70 SVT Stack, 80's GKRB400 on a old Bullfrog 115 cab, Eden WT400 on top of 2 BagEnd S15-D's.
(http://www.jfhproductions.net/far_004.jpg)
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My little corner of the house... All rigs get used depending on the gig situation... 74 SVT on top a Berg 610, 70 SVT Stack, 80's GKRB400 on a old Bullfrog 115 cab, Eden WT400 on top of 2 BagEnd S15-D's.
(http://www.jfhproductions.net/far_004.jpg)
Hey, how does the Berg sound compared to the "squareback" SVT cab?
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The Berg is tighter and has a little more low end, A little more modern sounding. The square back with all original speakers is a little more loose and breaks up nice has a tighter mid presence. Both killer cabs!
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Nice playroom... 8)
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You forgot to mention the Ampeg Stool. Nice touch :)
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Thank you Gents,, That is my sanctuary! It's awesome that all my bands rehears at my pad and I get to use all my gear on a weekly basis...Nothing like the look on a guitar players face when they come down and jam and I'm plugged into an SVT!....
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Do you use the BagEnds with your Ampeg? I'm curious to know how they sound with old tubeheads, i'm looking for something light to use with my Marshall in small gigs.
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Nope I never used the Bag's with the SVT I always take out the big cab when using those.. Not sure if the Bag 15's would handle the Tooby goodness of the SVT. They are a perfect match with the GK and the Eden though.
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I used this last night at Cool River. We always have nice PA support so I'm basically using it as a monitor. The Gallien Krueger MB115 only weighs 35 pounds and puts out 200 watts but it is a loud 200 watts. I tried the MB210 but prefer the 115 over it. I use it on an amp stand so it is at a higher level. We play pretty loud and I had the master at 3 o'clock and the gain around 11 o'clock. Plenty of punch. Bass is a 1989 DR Heartfield 5'er.
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2weeuzk.jpg)
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Much as I love my new Traynor...............
When I plug my GK 1001 in.............Whoa! That thing is so far beyond loud I've never even gotten it to half way.............The house would fall in on it.
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Here is a pic from last Friday. You can't see the rig but it was sounding great! And yes, I'm back with my old band after a 9 month break. We had our old drummer play 2 songs (I Love Rock And Roll, and Rock And Roll) and it was like riding a bike. Pissed off the new drummer though.
(http://i49.tinypic.com/ejiupv.jpg)
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Pissed off the new drummer though.
:mrgreen:
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Hello, Thought my first post might as well be a pic of some of my stuff. I use this setup most often, currently at least.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img121/7963/dscf1243i.jpg)
The cabinet under the head and the classy home made rack (made from a tree spike display Home Depot was throwing away) is just an amp stand. The Sunn 415M and 2 Bag Ends are the ones in use. Please excuse the lousy quality, my camera is horrible indoors.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img441/1171/dscf1244copy.jpg)
No, I don't have to move it often. I'm the only one in the "band" who realizes we're never getting out of the basement, but I keep it to myself. I play for fun, and use this huge cumbersome rig because I own it and I like the way it sounds. Like many bassists probably, I'm also the only one who knows you don't need to play at full volume all the time. Why all the effects? They were in the rack the tuner and wireless were in when I moved it all to its current resting place.
Some cool stuff in this thread. My preference in terms of amps is towards whatever sounds good. Anything I own is because it sounded good and I got a great deal on it.
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Nice! I'd love to hear how the 400PS sounds through that Sunn 415M! Denis on this board is another Sunn lover. And welcome aboard!
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Thanks! Sadly, the speakers in the Sunn are not original. One blew shortly after I got it, so I boxed them all and replaced them with the only things I could afford, new Fender OEM 16 Ohm speakers billed as being made by Eminence. They sound surprisingly good, not a lot of low bass from this cab with them but I'm told that given the low volume area of the cab there wouldn't be a lot anyhow. Strong mids and high end, at least for a non-tweeter guy. It does sound vicious by itself with my 200 watt Sound City, in that snarly rip-your-face-off sort of way.
There are 2 cabinet setups I've wanted to hear this head with but probably never will. One is 3 squareback SVT cabs, the other requires a Telecaster and 3 stacks full of Greenbacks. And a few miles between it and myself.
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Greetings...
Would be nice to see the SC200...
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(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1755/alembicsunncz1.jpg)
(http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/8420/x1880050ea.jpg)
Now that I'm Googling it for info, it seems it may be only officially 150 watts, since it's similar to the 150; the tech that did the work on it measured its output, and claimed he had it around 210 if memory serves, with more to go but said he was concerned the guitar cabinet he was using would blow if he turned it up any more. I have about zero technical knowledge myself, so I took his word for it. In any case, it's weird and plenty loud, two qualities I like in an amp.
http://www.soundcitysite.com/sc_webpages/photo_page_15.htm#x188_1.1
Don't have any wiring shots. It came with GEC KT88s, their date code indicated 1974 according to what I found online. Power tubes didn't seem to make much of a difference to me, I tried it with new JJs and old Peaveys (stock tubes in a Classic 400 I sold, not sure who actually made them) so I sold them. They paid for the amp, matching cabinet, new power tubes, and some misc tech work to get the amp back into fighting shape... with a good bit of cash left over. Eventually sold the cab, it looked good with the head but wasn't such a hot performer. Preamp tubes did make a difference, it sounds best with the ones it came with. The one that still has discernible markings is a Mullard.
Over the years I've owned all sorts of amps, as has anybody that's been messing around with music I imagine. Still own a Mesa D180, a couple little cabinets, and 2 Genz Benz amps that I like but make for boring pictures. I should sell most of it, but I haven't yet been so desperate for money that I'm willing to part with this cool stuff for the tiny amount of cash it would bring in, never mind dealing with the hassle of trying to sell anything. It doesn't take up too much space stacked in the closet.
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Just noticed the link doesn't seem to mention the odd part of the amp. It has a (solid state?) switchable Boost. It's the additional board visible on the left side in the "guts" pic in the link, that's perpendicular to the board the control knobs go to. With it on, the amp's a monster. With it off, it sounds quiet and meek.
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I had a 120w but blew it up (transformer failure) but had a nice pair of Sound City columns - went from SC to DR - logical route without knowing it at the time...
(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/DR103%20SWITCH/1983KenNormanRickKazik.jpg) (http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/Peter%20Cook%20Custom/1982aAslan-1.jpg)
I should dig out better shots, but they are hiding behind me, with my 1970 DR103S
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Cool! (Well, not the transformers blowing up, but the rigs.) I have to add, that's a mightily awesome looking bass, though the (RD is it?) in the older pic is no slouch either. I've only played a 120 once with a guitar in Guitar Center, they had it priced more like a Hiwatt and it had problems, but seemed to have potential. They were convinced plugging a bass into it would blow up the head, because it was a guitar amp, and everyone knows you can't play bass through a guitar amp. Never seen a "real" Hiwatt for sale locally, which I suspect is just as well, because I'd likely be tempted to sell my car.
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Welcome, You have a very cool rig ! Nice to see someone else using a SC ! My SC 200 Plus tucked in to one version of my rig. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/img_0715.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/img_0712.jpg)
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That is both beautiful and terrifying.
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That is both beautiful and terrifying.
Nicely put! I just picked up an Eden Traveler 400w head (even has the initials from P.O.D.'s bassist on the front), and I'm running it through an old Peavey 1x15 cab with a JBL in it. I got it as a backup head, but in bigger rooms, I'm pairing it with the Ashdown EVO-II combo. So far, I'm still struggling with the Eden, but I think that pairing it may be helping me out a lot. I'll try to post new pics.
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Fealach... the Thunderbird has a rebuild thread at the moment but I'm stalled - should be finished in the near future - what country or state are you in...?
oh yeah... and that's Scott's (GOT) smaller rig... ;)
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Nicely put! I just picked up an Eden Traveler 400w head (even has the initials from P.O.D.'s bassist on the front), and I'm running it through an old Peavey 1x15 cab with a JBL in it. I got it as a backup head, but in bigger rooms, I'm pairing it with the Ashdown EVO-II combo. So far, I'm still struggling with the Eden, but I think that pairing it may be helping me out a lot. I'll try to post new pics.
Cool. My second amp (first was the ubiquitous Peavey combo) was a WT400. I liked it quite a bit once I realized that no amount of fiddling with its boatload of knobs made it sound any better than it did "flat." An amp should sound good without needing a ton of knob tweaking, I think, and to my ears the Eden does. I'm not familiar with all the Ashdown models, but I did like the RPM-1 preamp I owned. Another amp with a mind boggling array of EQ options, but easy to get a good sound out of.
Fealach... the Thunderbird has a rebuild thread at the moment but I'm stalled - should be finished in the near future - what country or state are you in...?
oh yeah... and that's Scott's (GOT) smaller rig... ;)
Just updated my profile slightly, I'm in Connecticut in the US. I'll have to check the Gibson section for the thread. My basses aren't from the "big names" so I haven't looked in the bass threads yet. I do have a Gibson, but it's a victim of torture at the hands of its last owner and it makes me sad. I told a luthier about it and he wants to see it, but I'm not sure there's any (affordable) hope for it.
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I'll have to check the Gibson section for the thread.
Not a Gibson... she's in other brands... http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=2774.0 (http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=2774.0)
Post up your Gibson in projects with a request for advice... lots of luthierian types on board willing to offer advice for free...
Fealach...? Irish Gaelic...? that's why the curiosity re your location... I'm near London but the roots are Scottish Islands...
Re amps and settings... I tend to loose the tone controls on my basses and the Hiwatt I run with everything at max, with the exception of the preamp and the output volumes... mines an oddball version too, as a footswitch controls whether she's 50w or 100w... I'm in the process of resurrecting the gear and recently bought a couple of new speakers for my 4x12 and have had to take the edge of the tone slightly whilst testing at home, but not had the opportunity to run full-bore yet...
Just one word of warning... I have a rep for instrument abuse... :vader:
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Just checked out the thread, very impressive, both the bass and the work you've put into it. My Explorer is well beyond my basic set-up skills, but I have found a luthier well worth the 2 hour commute who is interested in it. The one thing stopping me is lack of funds. If I can dig up some pics, I'll put it in the Gibson section with the disclaimer that it's not my fault. That Hiwatt sounds interesting!
I'm just a common American mutt, more Scottish and Swedish than anything else, but the screen name has no bearing on that. Irish Gaelic's probably at least pretty close, it was taken from one of Tolkien's languages and he drew on European tongues. Picked it when I was a young nerd for Dungeons & Dragons type games, when stumped for a screen name I tend to revert to it automatically. Used it for years an a couple other bass forums, so I figured I'd stick with it.
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Got it... Failte
The Hiwatt... http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=2714.0 (http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=2714.0)
and a nasty Marshall project that will see the light of day at some point... http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=2715.0 (http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=2715.0)
They were both on the Plexi and attracted a lot of interest there - a regular here found me there and roped me in...
Check out Uwe's thread re Explorers and what you can do with them - currently running as House of Pain... ;D
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Here's my new rig...until I get my Hiwatt 4x12 this week.
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Here's my new rig...until I get my Hiwatt 4x12 this week.
Almost like my other combination 'though I have 100 watts less, a newer SVT 8x10" and a different style body on my long scale 12-string Hamer neck.:)
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Hamers and Hiwatts: you can't go wrong!!!
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Sorry about the cell-phone pic.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/Stack013.jpg)
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Sorry about the cell-phone pic.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/Stack013.jpg)
Now that's what I'm talking about ! Looks like my rig ! Great minds think alike ! Is that a 2x15 or 4x12 Marshall cab ? I am dying to pickup a Hiwatt 4x12 to go with my Hiwatt 2x15. My rig from the weekend. Usually I run two heads but I let the DR201 do all the work (we had to clear the stage asap for the next band) the SC and Hiwatt 100 were there just in case. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/rig8-20-10004.jpg)
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Now that's what I'm talking about ! Looks like my rig ! Great minds think alike ! Is that a 2x15 or 4x12 Marshall cab ?
It's a JCM800 2 x 15".
Bought it from a hire co in London, took out the Celestions and put two Emminence Deltas in. Only thing I'm not keen on is that the Hiwatt doesn't sit too well on it. The Hiwatt has 2 skids for feet & they only just hang on the edge of the Marshall cups. The Hiwatt's last owner (after Jimmy :mrgreen: ) had drilled it for castors, so I may take the pin holders out & put 1" rubber feet in their place.
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Yep same cab I have and I did the exact same thing pulled the Celestions and installed Eminence Deltas.
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What was it you said???
Great minds think alike !
:mrgreen:
Did that CD turn up this time? ???
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Nothing yet............................ unless my daughter grabbed it
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Well..I have the '72 DR201 and the 1980 AB 4x12 cab. Should I buy another 4x12??? Hard to find Hiwatt stuff. Marshall go with the Hiwatt's ok???
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Nothing yet............................ unless my daughter grabbed it
:rolleyes: I was told you should have it by the w/e. As always they don't say which weekend.
Well..I have the '72 DR201 and the 1980 AB 4x12 cab. Should I buy another 4x12??? Hard to find Hiwatt stuff. Marshall go with the Hiwatt's ok???
The Hiwatt 4123 cab is great for bass, everything you'd ever want & more, it's the Fane drivers that do it. I've read that a Reeves cab in the USA is better/as good as a classic Hiwatt cab. It's always a hot topic on the Plexi Forum.
Depends what you put in a Marshall cab. I had to take the Celestions out, they were only 100w each.
That MONSTER Hiwatt cab of Scott's post is the Holy Grail of Hiwatt bassists.
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Well..I have the '72 DR201 and the 1980 AB 4x12 cab. Should I buy another 4x12??? Hard to find Hiwatt stuff. Marshall go with the Hiwatt's ok???
The Marshall JCM800 cabs are a good match and a good value, all birch ply construction. Around here in good shape they go for 300 which I think is a pretty good deal.
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:rolleyes: I was told you should have it by the w/e. As always they don't say which weekend.
The Hiwatt 4123 cab is great for bass, everything you'd ever want & more, it's the Fane drivers that do it. I've read that a Reeves cab in the USA is better/as good as a classic Hiwatt cab. It's always a hot topic on the Plexi Forum.
Depends what you put in a Marshall cab. I had to take the Celestions out, they were only 100w each.
That MONSTER Hiwatt cab of Scott's post is the Holy Grail of Hiwatt bassists.
I count myself lucky to get the Hiwatt 2150, I owned one from '78-'86 and had not seen one since I sold mine. Great sounding cabinet and a bitch to move !
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That's Leslie's old cab. Is it the size of an SVT??? I got a 4123 from him and it RAWKS!!!! Man...Why didn't I use Hiwatt's years ago? I feel like my life has been altered for the better!!!
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Correct Baz that is Leslie's cab. Not quite as big as a SVT but more ungainly, no tilt back casters or bar on the back. The handles are in a terrible spot, just a bitch to move around once it is on the ground.............I'd buy another in a heart beat.
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About 2 hours ago, I just got a 1977 Hiwatt SE 320 4x12 200 Watt 16 ohm PA cabinet. I guess there were only 100 made. I figured I would have one 4x12 at rehearsal and one at home. It's 'bout the size of a V-6. But the tone.........!!!!!!!!!
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a full Hiwatt rig has been a dream of mine for over 30 years. There is nothing that sounds quite so good. I'm almost there, all I need is a 4x12 for a decent price ;)
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Me too!!! I'd love another AB 300watt 4x12!!! And maybe a DR103 as well!!
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I would love another DR201 but the amp gods have been kind, I can't complain The Sound City 200 Plus I got for 149.00 is a close stand in.
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Dave Reeves did a lot of design work for Sound City so architecturally they are very similar... that was a ridiculously good price by any standards... 8)
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Here's one of my cabinets.
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Luv that cab ! I have seen pics before but never played through one, would love to get my hands on one !
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Thanks! It's pretty cool! I would totally trade it for a regular 4x12 just because it's a pain to move but like an SVT squareback...It's awesome sounding!!! And it's got the Fanes!!!
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Where did you find it ?
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Here's one of my cabinets.
Looks fantastic & must sound it too. Only seen one of those on Ebay in the UK & it went for peanuts, just because of the weight.
I take it you're a Cheap Trick fan?? Far too many strings for 3 basses, your music store must love seeing you walk in!!!! :mrgreen:
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Nah. Cheap Trick is ok but I'm a Robin Trower/Hendrix Fan! Besides, Petersson is WAY TOO COOL to reply to my emails. I don't like Rock Stars. Especially ones that hoard up Thunderbirds and take them out of OUR hands. How many does he need??? Rick Neilsen, Ben E. Carlos and Jon Brandt are super cool guys. Jon Brandt replaced me in Ellis Clark and the Big Parade. And then years later I replaced Jon Brandt in Kevin Lee's band. I got the cab from a cool guy named Sean who co-owns Emperor Cabinets in Chicago. I like it. But again..as I mentioned before...I would swap for a AB 4x12 cab just because of the moving factor.
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Just picked this up. I don't know the year, or how much is stock, it seems to have some aftermarket and homegrown components. The speaker is a huge upgrade, a rare and sought after Pyle Driver! All I have on hand is an EVM15L, I may put that in and see how I like it. Can't afford to buy a replacement speaker.
Functionally, I have a concern, maybe somebody has experience with these amps and can help. Is channel 1 generally quieter? It reacts like it has an input pad, have to get the volume close to half to be as loud as channel 2 is around one quarter. Both channels also have no volume until they are turned up a bit, channel 2 becomes audible much earlier than 1. Is this normal? I can take it back within a week and get it repaired free, but if it's just the way the amp's volume controls react there's nothing to repair. The loose input jacks I can take care of myself. I'll probably want a 3 prong power cord, but that won't be free.
The "B12" on the circuit boards on the pots makes me wonder if the head began life as a B12; the chassis looks aftermarket to me, newer than the rest and unmarked in the back. But then again, I'm pretty cluless. It sounds good though, even with the current speaker. Had to trade in my beloved Genz Benz GBE750 to get it, but the Genz didn't have power tubes so it's not like it has a soul, or feelings or anything.
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/6405/0819001403.jpg)
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1940/0819001404a.jpg)
detailed pics (let me know if you can't view these - never used photobucket before):
http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x355/Wim_M/Ampeg/
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Just picked this up. I don't know the year, or how much is stock, it seems to have some aftermarket and homegrown components. The speaker is a huge upgrade, a rare and sought after Pyle Driver! All I have on hand is an EVM15L, I may put that in and see how I like it. Can't afford to buy a replacement speaker.
The filter caps have been replaced fairly recently. I don't know if it began life as a B12, but the chassis does seem pieced together. The bottom of the amp head should have the schematic glued to it.
If the Pyle sounds good, go with it. It's a low wattage amp, and cheap speakers often go well with that.
Functionally, I have a concern, maybe somebody has experience with these amps and can help. Is channel 1 generally quieter? It reacts like it has an input pad, have to get the volume close to half to be as loud as channel 2 is around one quarter. Both channels also have no volume until they are turned up a bit, channel 2 becomes audible much earlier than 1. Is this normal? I can take it back within a week and get it repaired free, but if it's just the way the amp's volume controls react there's nothing to repair. The loose input jacks I can take care of myself. I'll probably want a 3 prong power cord, but that won't be free.
The channels can vary in gain due to the input resistors drfiting with age and differences between the preamp tubes. Channel 2 is slightly quieter on mine. At any rate you could replace those old carbon comps if it really bothers you. The bright input has a 47kohm resistor. The normal uses a 100k. You'd need to replace those and the 5.6 megaohm cathode resistors tied to them to even the gain. That is provided, of course, the 6SL7's have equal transconductance.
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Can't see it in your photo, but is the serial # sticker still inside the cabinet? I brightend the picture up on my PC, and it looks like it's a single baffle cab which means it could be as old as '65. If it was older than that - it would have had a double baffle design with the 8 oblong ports.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x355/Wim_M/Ampeg/DSCF1260.jpg)
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Now that's what I'm talking about ! Looks like my rig ! Great minds think alike ! Is that a 2x15 or 4x12 Marshall cab ? I am dying to pickup a Hiwatt 4x12 to go with my Hiwatt 2x15. My rig from the weekend. Usually I run two heads but I let the DR201 do all the work (we had to clear the stage asap for the next band) the SC and Hiwatt 100 were there just in case. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/rig8-20-10004.jpg)
Only just noticed Jim still using his Acoustic 360s too - as well as FIVE Hiwatts. Specially for you Scott; enjoy!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AomwWlWh2_4&feature=related
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Thanks Stu ! Enjoy ? You bet I did !
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Well, the phone camera shot is a little blurry, but here's the twin rig setup. Ashdown EVO combo, Eden 400W Traveler and the Peavey 1x15 cab. I'll have live recordings from last night using this in about a week. All the other bands that used this sounded great out front. One of the other bass players even bought me a drink for supplying the backline.
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/gweimer/basses/Photo09031855.jpg)
Baz - you're from Chicago? I had an old Embassy that was not only Tom Petersson's, but Jon Brandt owned it after him. Jon never knew that it was one of Petersson's. Dave Angel even had it for a while before I got my hands on it.
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Gary, you once stopped by my house in Brookfield, and sold me some homemade T bird saddles! It was at the time you were delivering the Embassy bass. Brandt is a Very cool guy.
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Now I remember you! And I got an email last night. I might be getting the Embassy back. Decisions, decisions.
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Now I remember you! And I got an email last night. I might be getting the Embassy back. Decisions, decisions.
Mark F. posts last night for the first time in quite a while, and now you might be getting the Embassy back. If he's selling, you know what the only right decision is. :)
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If he's selling, you know what the only right decision is. :)
I concur!
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WOW! You should buy it! And then maybe someday trade it to me for one of my thunderbirds!! ha!
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WOW! You should buy it! And then maybe someday trade it to me for one of my thunderbirds!! ha!
LOL! I think I'd take the Embassy over a Thunderbird any day. ESPECIALLY that Embassy. Mark and I will tell you that it's like no other bass we've had. I'm convinced that Petersson had the pickups rewound.
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Well? Is Mark selling it? Are you buying it back?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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News at 11...
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:popcorn:
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:thumbsup:
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??? ;)
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
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The tension builds
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:vader:
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Someone's Facebook profile says he's headed to Chicago. Could it be?... :-X
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Mmmmm...could be. I was headed there anyway, but the timing is perfect, since we just got our homebuyer's tax refund. And my daughter is about 15 minutes from where Mark lives. I think you can guess the rest...
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That Embassy was Gary's bass for 20 years (and mine for 7). It's on its way home now.
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Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree... ;D
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That Embassy was Gary's bass for 20 years (and mine for 7). It's on its way home now.
Is he planning to stop in Kalamazoo? ;D
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No, but I can tell you that the friendliest women I ever met were in Battle Creek. :mrgreen:
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I used this last friday with the stereobasses (neck pickup to Hiwatt DR103 and EBS CL2x12" cab, bridge to Vox AC50 head and Vox 2x12" cab) and it sounded fabulous. I just have to hope that the Vox's owner will let me loan it again in the future.;) Sorry for the grainy pic.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4322198/Kuva010.jpg)
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Hiwatt DR103................Makes Homer Simpson drool sound :P
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I'm not criticizing ANYone's rig...I'm just surprised how immune to amp-enticement I have become after going with lightweight Genz-Benz gear. ;D
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I'm not criticizing ANYone's rig...I'm just surprised how immune to amp-enticement I have become after going with lightweight Genz-Benz gear. ;D
With the 12-string bass I have had to accept that it needs that extra effort which means multiple and preferrably tube amps. I also come from the school that the looks mean a lot too which usually means weight and sweating.;)
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I'm not criticizing ANYone's rig...I'm just surprised how immune to amp-enticement I have become after going with lightweight Genz-Benz gear. ;D
Yeah , I've whittled my music store salesman interrogations down to two questions. "How many watts and what does it weigh?" The rest of the stuff I'll figure out ;D
Rick
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I'm not criticizing ANYone's rig...I'm just surprised how immune to amp-enticement I have become after going with lightweight Genz-Benz gear. ;D
I've kinda do the same thing inasmuch as I run the Ampeg SVP-PRO preamp into Class D amps. Had to after my hernia. :-[ Actually sounds better.
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what kind of class d amps are you using ?
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what kind of class d amps are you using ?
Peavey
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(http://i52.tinypic.com/hvxm4j.jpg)
From last Friday nights frat party. I was using the SWR/Guild-Hartke combination.
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My small rig from Saturday night's wedding gig ...
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Bass%20gear/IMG00246-20110416-1855.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Bass%20gear/IMG00243-20110416-1852.jpg)
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Peavey
one DPC 1000 for the bottom end and one DPC 750 for the tops. Both Bridged.
(http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix1029/6021_dpc10002_1.jpg)
(http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix0912/468__2.jpg)
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crikey those are small.together they would use up 1u less than my rather heavy warwick power amp.mmmmm.
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I use an EV crossover and an SVP-PRO tube pre. 4 single rack spaces and very light for the power.
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Friday night's rig. Traynor YBA-200 and Epifani UL610 in disguise (just like their owner)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Rolling%20Stoned%20Royal%20Wedding%20gig%202011/221310_10150165548676560_645331559_7498471_7883778_o.jpg)
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First post newbie here!
Living in South Florida for the last thirty or so years. Started playing bass when I was fourteen wanting to be Sir Paul. Had the Hofner and all.
Current rig it pretty simple, Melancon MB-4>Line6 XDS95+ wireless>Fuchs Audio/Plush Jersey Thunder>Thunderfunk TFB-550A>tuner out to Sonic Research ST-200 and to SWR Henry the 8x8.
Playing classic rock and blues ...
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Welcome, Boomer. The SWR Henry is an awesome rock cab. I miss mine. If SWR made a "Golight" version of Henry that weighed around 70lbs it would be a winner for sure.
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Thanks, Mark.
I replaced an Aguilar GS115 and GS210 with the Henry.
I wrote SWR trying to date this particular cab. It's certainly pre-Fender and may be from the first run ever with serial number 249. No response from SWR/Fender ... naturally!
It is in need of recovering. The carpet on the bottom is almost gone.
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Hi Boomer, nice rig, Interesting bass.
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Hi Boomer, nice rig, Interesting bass.
It is a joy to play.
The only thing I've done to it, besides having Melancon do a full setup and fret dress recently, is replace the stock DiMarzio DP120 with a Sadowsky P bass pickup. Huge difference!
The bass weighs in a just a bit over 7.5 pounds and has an extremely comfortable Jazz bass sized neck, ash body and maple neck.
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Pricey, but otherwise no complaints - a 12", eight-ohm Bronco Creamy Scout:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g421/spiritbass/P1120449.jpg)
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Here's my "other" rig, in action last week with my RD Standard. Alembic F-1X, QSC PLX1804, Mesa 2x12 and 1x15 cabs .....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202011/gaelicrig.jpg)
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My small rig from Saturday night's wedding gig ...
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Bass%20gear/IMG00243-20110416-1852.jpg)
How are you liking the shuttle, mark? I'm really digging mine into either of
my EA cabs.
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How are you liking the shuttle, mark? I'm really digging mine into either of
my EA cabs.
Actually, that's a Streamliner, not a Shuttle. But I'm really digging it - sounds great through any of my cabs
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i have too many to show, but here are my latest two (or three):
'67 showman w/'65 and '68 tone ring cabs:
(http://johnkvintageguitars.homestead.com/dualshowman/68showmancab/62P-67Showman-01.jpg)
'77 220 and '75 370 with two 408 cabs:
(http://johnkvintageguitars.homestead.com/acoustic320/220-370-01.jpg)
'80 320, '77 220:
(http://johnkvintageguitars.homestead.com/acoustic320/320-220-800.jpg)
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Ampeg V4-B bi-amped into a modified Orange AD30HTC, going into an Ampeg SVT 1540 HE cabinet. The V4-B is the master, EQ'd for clarity, high-mid-low set to about 6-8-7. The Orange is the slave and EQ'd for mid level gain with high high-mid-low set to around 5-6-9. The V4-B goes to the 1x15 half of the cabinet and the Orange goes to the 4x10 half of the cabinet. I get clean and articulate lows and mids with a nice thick fuzz over the higher frequencies.
(http://i.imgur.com/0ofcK.jpg)
And here's an action shot with T-bird #1:
(http://i.imgur.com/OB8IG.jpg)
When we play smaller venues, I ditch the Orange and turn up the Ampeg for light distortion, like in this video with T-bird #2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMDx4VM2bZs
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Man, I'd love to hear those tone-ring cabs. Did the one you put on the block get sold?
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My newest Traynor rig. YBA300 & TC810
(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/Thornton_Davis/Dec_2011-3_cropped_A.jpg)
(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/Thornton_Davis/Dec_2011-2_cropped_A.jpg)
TD
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Keeping the Traynor theme going, here's my YBA300 atop my disguised Epifani UL610 last Friday night ....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202012/IMG00991-20120413-2052.jpg)
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I do love that purple bird Mark ! Almost the color of my first bike a metalic grape Schwinn Sting ray ! Ok here is my rig soon to be joined by a '75 Hiwatt DR201 !
Hey GOT... I realize this is three years late, but, what is that funky cabinet under the Sound City head?
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Mark - what's that sunburst bass on the stand?
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What *is* a "tone ring" cab anyway?
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Mark - what's that sunburst bass on the stand?
It's a Duesenberg Starplayer. I just bought a black one as well - they are hands down the nicest semi-hollow or hollow body bass I've ever played. Build quality is as good as anything on the planet, and the Plek'ed necks are superb.
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18 inch jbl cab, a chopped down ev cab with 2 hartke 10 inch speakers,jbl crossover, ampeg preamp and warwick power amp.boom!
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That cab is a mid 70's Marshall 2x12 that was paired with there early Marshall solid state amps. It used to have a white/gray basket weave grill. Great sounding cab a volume!
Hey GOT... I realize this is three years late, but, what is that funky cabinet under the Sound City head?
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Damn...I only have 2 1970's GK 400B heads-250 watts and one 80's GK 1x15 cab....I feel lame...But I do have 2 cool 65 t birds and a 68 t bird..plus my Hamer t bird 8 string!!!
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Here's my little monster: Ampeg SVT VR with Orange 4x10 & Orange 1x15
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/Demonturtle/Foto0075.jpg)
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i forgot to mention the most important part of my rig, the bottle opener on the 18 cab.
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What *is* a "tone ring" cab anyway?
a tone ring speaker cab was Fender's first attempt (i think) making a ported speaker cab. it involved a ring of sorts that was coupled with a baffle that allowed the air to vent around the edges of the speaker instead of out a port in the speaker cabinet.
(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/cathousemouse/ShoLit05.jpg)
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... the bottle opener on the 18 keb.
Gotta love the Kiwi's... ;D
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buuurrrrp
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Ease up on the gas, Tone... :o :mrgreen:
Do they still "gas" the beers...? my (late) uncle used to do part-time work in bars in Napier (Ahuriri Tavern?) and described using a gassing pipe prior to serving...?
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that was the bad old days.lots of boutique beers ,the days of just db or lion brown(blech) are but a nasty memory.
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(https://untappd.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/2012_06_10/66bec18bfca9da9c85b12d522fcdab65_320x320.jpg)
one of my top and most favorite beers
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There are more "real" ales here than there ever has been before, even for sad veggies like myself... :mrgreen:
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Here in Fort Collins two of the 8+ craft breweries operating in town are about 100 yards apart. We had guests and went as a party of six to brewery #1, sampled 18 beers, then walked to the next and sampled another 12 beers. (Fortunately all in about 3 oz glasses we passed around). I'd never tasted 30 beers in a little over 2 hours. Fortunately these are less than a mile from home, and I drove home quite carefully.
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In my bad old days 12 pints was feasible in a session but I got sensible, sort of... :rolleyes:
Of the two bottles of Malt I took down from the Isles last summer I still have half a bottle left... Mind you, I did crack a 1972 Talisker at Christmas that was finished at my friends down in Devon last week - one of my dad's "special" reserve...
Hmm... I'm tempted to have a dram now... :toast:
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In my bad old days 12 pints was feasible in a session but I got sensible, sort of... :rolleyes:
Of the two bottles of Malt I took down from the Isles last summer I still have half a bottle left... Mind you, I did crack a 1972 Talisker at Christmas that was finished at my friends down in Devon last week - one of my dad's "special" reserve...
Hmm... I'm tempted to have a dram now... :toast:
I thought that was traditionally phrased as "a wee dram"....
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mmmmm talisker .....
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Wee drams are for guests - always leave them wanting more... mine was a LARGE dram...
I am having issues...
My Hiwatt is presently RIP - that cap failure I was pushing happened, but at least it wasn't catastrophic... she went out with a whimper and not a bang... :sad:
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OK, finally going to post something here! This is the monster rig I brought out last Friday. Top to bottom:
'74 SVT head
custom built (by me) 2x10/1x15 cab
'70s (tilt back) SVT cab
BALLS! ;D Not to mention tone. The sound guy was cool enough to take both a DI, and mic on the 15, which is my favorite way to go. I typically just use the top cabinet on its wheels, but this particular show was a biggie - 3 bands, with lots of local rock hot shots in the house. Had to bring the biggest gun!
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/395916_3843134515374_542038303_n.jpg)
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You trying to "out Scott" Scott, Tom...? ;D
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Here's my mini-rig-of-doom at a recent garage gig (haven't done one of those in a loooong time)...
Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.0, Euphonic Audio CXL 110, Euphonic Audio CXL 112L.
Here's video (big download, audio is tolerable):
http://slinkp.com/~wrp/port_washington_08_2012/8.13_upload_176.MOV
And photo attached.
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You trying to "out Scott" Scott, Tom...? ;D
Ha ha! I do have one more cab - a 4x10 I built based on SVT specs and loaded with vintage SVT speakers - and an SVT III Pro head I could add to the pyramid. :o
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Oh-oh... I sense a (audible) range war in the offing... ;D
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"out Scott" LMAO I like that ! I have been lazy this summer just packing the 2150 and the DR201 most of the time. I bring the Orange Terror bass for back up.
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(http://www.blaat.net/bass/plaatjes/full-stack.jpg)
This is what I (1.83 m) see when I look at the knobs (camera at eye-level):
(http://www.blaat.net/bass/plaatjes/full-Stack-eyelevel.jpg)
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Nice stack Bert!
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Murder One! I got the see/hear the real one in person before it bought it.
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Wanna jam? Pick an amp/cab (and there's a few more in the back). :P
(http://www.blogto.com/upload/2012/05/20120528-Polyhaus-6.jpg)
My current live rig is the Garnet Sessionman + Musicman 115RH (modified) that are just to the right of the drums (grey grille).
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Here's my new rig/setup. Sounds great compared to the old all Mesa set up.
Music Man HD-130 head, Ampeg PF-115 cab and Mesa Scout 15" cab with passive radiator. Lots of power, lots of bass end!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/DSCN0947_zps18286138.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/drbassman/media/DSCN0947_zps18286138.jpg.html)
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I'm favoring this one at the moment.....sounds good with my Hamer 12, too.
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w4/maxschrek/Rig1_zpsacd02fc5.jpeg)
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Are those two SansAmp rack preamps in a custom "Hiwatt" case on the left?
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Are those two SansAmp rack preamps in a custom "Hiwatt" case on the left?
Yep, good eye....the guy at Sour Mash made that head case for me, can't remember his name.
He did a really good job on it too.
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You guys have some pretty cool rigs. Makes the thread more fun when it's full of things I'd never see in the mega chain music store. Took this last night, let's see if I can get it to post. The pedals and most of the mess on the floor are the guitarist's.
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Got to love that 415 Sunn!! (the head isn't bad either)
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I'll bet that weighs a ton! How do the angled speaker cabs sound compared to standards?
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Bedroom bassplayer here with some pictures of my small "rig" to compensate for the heavy artillery that was just shown. ;)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/John_RSC/Bas/rig_zps6a770fe0.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/John_RSC/media/Bas/rig_zps6a770fe0.jpg.html)
It is an Ashdown LB-30 Drophead, the combo version of the Little Bastard. A fliptop design that was heavily inspired by the Ampeg B15. 30 Watts of tube power into a 15" cab with tweeter.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/John_RSC/Bas/amp_zps157a40b9.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/John_RSC/media/Bas/amp_zps157a40b9.jpg.html)
... and the obligatory shot of glowing valves.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/John_RSC/Bas/glow_zps5aa203c1.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/John_RSC/media/Bas/glow_zps5aa203c1.jpg.html)
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Cool little Ashdown!
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Weight isn't too bad, I haven't weighed them but it seems no worse than my old 8X10, maybe even less. The sound is pretty bass-shy. One of the original speakers blew shortly after I bought it, it has had 4 15" Fender OEM 16 Ohm speakers in it for years. I really couldn't tell the difference in tone when the band is playing. It sounds like a huge guitar cab. Pretty good with guitar actually, with the big Fender amp. It's in the drummer's garage because I have no room for it at home. I liked the Fender rig better with a Carvin 10.2 NEO in place of the Sunn,plus I could put the whole thing in my car.
I loved the Sunn with a distorted Sound City amp and an Exploiter, but clean it leaves something to be desired. The 2 Bag End cabs don't have any highs to speak of, so the 3 sound good with the Fender.
I like having an excuse to show the pic, on that other forum they threw stones at me for owning this stuff, and worse than stones for daring to play non-identical cabs together. No doubt it would be a nightmare onstage with a PA, but that isn't likely to ever happen.
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I like having an excuse to show the pic, on that other forum they threw stones at me for owning this stuff, and worse than stones for daring to play non-identical cabs together. No doubt it would be a nightmare onstage with a PA, but that isn't likely to ever happen.
If you've ever played out with it at all, you're far more experienced than most of the "expert" posters there. If you omitted the Sunn cab, the Bag Ends ought to be pretty stage-friendly, even with a PA. I never gigged my 400PS with the Bag Ends and it disappeared when I sent it off for cosmetic restoration. Heavy low mid voicings of most bass cabs are what makes onstage wash with bass cabs a problem. Around the second octave, frequencies are less directional and things like individual speaker phase and delay aligment makes a difference. That's one of the reason the SVT 8x10 is so successful. It's a phase coherent line array.
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Until two weeks ago I didn't know this amp existed. After Jess Oliver left Ampeg he designed the Powerflex 500 to compete with his Portaflex B-15.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040211_zps0dd162d6.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040211_zps0dd162d6.jpg.html)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040215_zps4fba3b84.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040215_zps4fba3b84.jpg.html)
Uses 7027A power tubes, 8 or 16 ohm load. Speaker is a CTS. J.O. claimed 60 watts, it is LOUD with just the internal speaker. Tone knobs on channel 2 are treble, ultrahigh, midrange and bass. I'm digging the way it sounds. Somebody at the Portaflex thread alerted the forum to it's availability at Guitar Center in Ft.Worth. I immediately snapped it up @5AM. They shipped it to the Ocala GC for $12.50. I built a dolly to match my B-15 for it, Oliver used the same mounting hardware as Ampeg.
The front panel is black until the amp is powered on, then the lettering lights up. Here's the wacko part: Ampeg owned the fliptop patent so J.O. designed a lift to raise the head out of the cab. See it here:
http://youtu.be/ZQrKwBXIa4I
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/HandleView_zpsba6b51f7.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/HandleView_zpsba6b51f7.jpg.html)
The lift isn't working at the moment but even with all that extra hardware in the cab the weight is still under 100lbs.
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Wow, does yours look as pristine as this one?
I saw the video before and remember thinking it was only a showpiece model for the NAMM or something
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3LWR7fBfeM
Does it sound anywhere near as good as a B-15 Portaflex?
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I had that amp many moons ago.. a louder b15 but IMHO not as sweet sounding at lower volumes. I always preferred my old 66-8 b15N
A guitar playing friend of mine has a 2 15 version of that amp.. The 'elevator" raising the head still works but is rather noisey sounds like it is on its last legs like it may just get stuck halfway. but it sounds pretty good. Nice tube sound. he won't won't sell it to me but i will keep asking. he had the head serviced by jess about 6 months vefore he passed.
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Mine has one small rip in the grill cloth. The tolex is in good shape, superglue gel works great for regluing the seams. Color came back to the tolex after a good cleaning and a liquid wax similar to 'Back to Black'. This is the only one I've seen that still has the back grille. Original tubes. It sounds different from '64 B-15N, it's more aggressive. The B-15 is great with flats, this one sounds better with rounds. Jess didn't forget what he wanted an amp to sound like when he left Ampeg. Big iron makes a big sound.
Recently read an interview with J.O. He had to buy his P-500 off Ebay. This one cost me, w/tax and shipping and 2 bulbs for the panel lights, less than $500.
Before pix:
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040083_zps989e4ab8.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040083_zps989e4ab8.jpg.html)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040084_zps9da1396b.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040084_zps9da1396b.jpg.html)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040085_zpsc8e97902.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040085_zpsc8e97902.jpg.html)
I carefully removed as much of the spray paint as I could from the chassis and reshot the grill.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040100_zps5515814c.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040100_zps5515814c.jpg.html)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040107_zps2217c99c.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/B-15N/OLIVER%20P-500/P1040107_zps2217c99c.jpg.html)
I'll be sending the chassis to Steve for a check up. Just got my B-15 back from him, it sounds great.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/B-15N/P1040141_zpsfcf74870.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/B-15N/P1040141_zpsfcf74870.jpg.html)
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you don't see these sell often but IIRC they seem to be higher priced than that though much less than the 60's b15 which are now getting to be stupidly expensive. enjoy its a great amp. Aggressive is a good way to explain it versus the b15. with the 2 15's its sounds amazingly full but less agressive as it is too loud to really push it when i use it. I actually haven't played with that guitar player in about 2 years but we are actually playing a get together BBQ at an old friends huge home on the water in CT sometime in july so i will get a chance to maybe play it a few times...
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Considering what Ampeg is getting for their "heritage" B-15, used ones are a bargain...Hey, Jim, do you know this guy? He's out of Danbury:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MATCHED-PAIR-CTS-15-INCH-SPEAKERS-8-OHMS-AMPEG-/151045304640?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item232b007140
The tone circuits on P500 channel one and two are very different, channel one is very similar to the B-15, channel 2 has a lot more grit, Steve said it's close to Marshall/Fender preamp circuits. If you get a chance try them both on your friend's.
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Dusty. thats the guy that does my recone work. Good guy, so far great work. have had him rebuild a few old JBl's, 2 CTS and 2 EV 400 pros. I actually need to get up to him in the next few weeks and have him look over a old EV speaker that seems to have a vibration but not a broken cone. seems like something is restricting the movement.... Let me know if you want me to go look at stuff you want to buy and make sure they are done well. I have his dirst email somewhere if you want it.
jim
i actually bought an orphaned 70's remake fliptop b15N cab from him several years ago and when i picked it up i saw his shop and started giving him stuff to work on. He rebuilt the EV400 pro that i changed to 4 ohm for the musicman 15rh cab i love so much.
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Thanks, Jim! Nice to know where to get quality work done. I don't need anything at the moment, appreciate the offer.
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Carlo, that amp is so freekin cool looking. The only Oliver I ever saw before was a tractor!
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Carlo, that amp is so freekin cool looking. The only Oliver I ever saw before was a tractor!
Sounds as good as it looks! A company called Oliver used to make incredible industrial woodworking machines, but no connection.
Probably going to build a 1/4 size 'SVT' cabinet (based on the first squareback one) using a pair of Eminence Legend 810 32 Ohm speakers. The Legends are supposed to be very similar to the CTS used in the original SVTs. Judging by the Legend guitar speakers they should be pretty close.
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... Took this last night, let's see if I can get it to post...
Missed this one... took the AD for an outing... I'd be curious to hear some sound bites of that beastie to hear what mine would have sounded like and what she will sound like once I finish the rebuild... :rolleyes:
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I assembled the Acoustic stack today to see it all in one place. I would love to fire it all up together but apartment living doesn't allow for that. :P
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Somehow, I suspect, that idea might not endear you to the remainder of the residents within a few blocks... ;)
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Latest addition, '68 B-115 extension cab w/original (reconed) speaker and dolly. Just took it apart for cleanup and refurb. Paired with my B-1, 100 watts seems just about right.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/B-15N/P1040534_zps4079be1c.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/B-15N/P1040534_zps4079be1c.jpg.html)
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Don't let 'em near the Mud... ;D
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Don't let 'em near the Mud... ;D
My first real amp after a Silvertone 2-12 piggyback was a '64 B-18N. I played my '60 EBO thru it before I put the bridge pickup in it. Now that was MUD!
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King of the Swampers... ;D
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This is my rig:
Ashdown EVO II
Ampeg 1x15
Ampeg 2x12
I love that vintage sound
(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy5/tore00/The%20rig/image.jpg)
(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy5/tore00/The%20rig/image-1.jpg)
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My ears have been happy with this combination for months:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g421/spiritbass/P1130779_zpsff7b075f.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/spiritbass/media/P1130779_zpsff7b075f.jpg.html)
Curiosity got the better of me, and this arrived last Wednesday:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g421/spiritbass/P1130826_zps61481fff.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/spiritbass/media/P1130826_zps61481fff.jpg.html)
Now I know what the HiWatt buzz is all about...
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How do you like the KT88s in there - originally those are EL34-based right? My SessionMan is EL34 (6CA7) based and have been wondering if I switch to KT88s or JJ E34L [sic] at the next tube change. The KTs will give me a bit more power, but power ain't everything.
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'power ain't everything' so true! thank you for that bit of wisdom. :)
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Four EL34's with an ECC81 and three ECC83's in mine...
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How do you like the KT88s in there - originally those are EL34-based right? My SessionMan is EL34 (6CA7) based and have been wondering if I switch to KT88s or JJ E34L [sic] at the next tube change. The KTs will give me a bit more power, but power ain't everything.
Sorry, GG! I need to post a picture of the front so it would be apparent that this is actually a Reeves. It's in the spirit of, but not an actual HiWatt. I haven't played an all-tube amp since the 70's so my ears are still re-acquainting themselves to the sounds of tubes. I'm still in 'honeymoon' mode - totally infatuated with the beautiful tones. The stock output tube in this (Custom 225) is the KT-88 and I've never played through anything with EL34's, so I have no answer for your question, sorry. I completely agree with your "power ain't everything" belief. I don't need all of the power this can deliver. I invested in it to experience the tone and am glad I did. :)
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Here's mine...bass is shown before I swapped the bridge for a Supertone. (I only just noticed that.)
Sounds pretty lively whatever bass I run through it. I run the bass into a Sansamp BDDI into the effect return on the Ashdown. Before year end, I'll be upping the rack to a 4U, dumping the Sansamp BDDI and adding a VT Bass rack unit.
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(http://www.chevril.com/nancyjohnson/yummy.jpg)
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I love those Hydrive cabs. I used one for the last 2 years in my old band.
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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o108/thunderbird33/SR5/172905c7-c7ef-4386-8817-a50b0159c962_zps3257d8e2.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/user/thunderbird33/media/SR5/172905c7-c7ef-4386-8817-a50b0159c962_zps3257d8e2.jpg.html)
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I used that same head the other day at jam (belonged to the rehearsal space - I'm in between spaces ATM and it blows, but anyway). I liked it a lot. Great range and versatility. The 4x10 (forget the brand, but not Markbass) it was plugged into was not a good match though (for my tastes).
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(http://slinkp.com/~paul/amp_salad_20130928_195004.jpg)
AMP SALAD FOR DINNER!
From top to bottom: Greek salad from the food truck, Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.0, Euphonic Audio CXL-110, Euphonic Audio CXL-112L.
Pick gives a sense of the tiny scale.
I know I've posted this rig before, but.... as a guy who doesn't get to gig much... every time I do play out, I say god DAMN I love this little rig.
Saturday's gig was an outdoor party with only vocals in the PA. So we weren't super-loud - no mics on the drums - but I did have two guitarists to compete with, and that Fender Hot Rod Deville 410 is no slouch. I played loud to get some low end out into the audience area, and when I walked around on my long cable I was amazed how much low end I could project 25' out. I kept having to turn down because I was overbalancing the rest of the band.
Forget about volume, the tone of this thing makes me so happy. I'm mostly playing my Gibson LPB1 lately, and it goes nicely with this amp. I push the gain on the Genz-Benz pretty high to get a little overdrive and compress the dynamic range a bit. I turn the tweeters down pretty far (although I seem to like them not quite all the way off, and I leave the one on the 110 cab up a little higher because it sounds a little sweeter.) I leave all the tone-shaping switches off and don't go nuts with the EQ; a slight midrange cut because both the bass and the cabs deliver tons of mids and at high volume it starts to overwhelm me a bit, not to mention the two guitars have that area pretty filled out already.
I am sure the head will die someday long before all you guys' vintage tube heads do... and it won't be repairable... but for now, I love my tone and my back is happy.
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I love my Shuttle 6.0 for the same reasons. And as much as I respect the various commentators here, I'll wait and see whether I ever have a problem with that head. I'm 63 and don't plan to play when I'm 100, so I don't need 40 years out of that head.
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I'm not dogging switching amps. I just want to make sure that the facts are out there. As someone who's had to correct the fallacy of six-month lives for tubes too many times, it's only fair for me to point out that most tubes in amps will long outlive the lightweight s/s stuff. Remember how the Markbass LM was the darling of TB (thanks to shills) when it came out and about a year later, half of them were no longer working? I realize that those were rushed to market and had a bunch of QC issues, but that highlights the unique service problem that a switching amp has: if anything major fails in it, it won't be a matter of replacing parts; it'll be a boat anchor (for a small boat.) If I needed a lightweight head, I wouldn't hesitate to use a Shuttle. I don't think I'd put a salad on top of it though. Warm salad- yechhh.
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Well, this is everything. The Ampeg 2x15 is a new addition. I'm going to try to sell the 4x10 in the lower left.
From left - Acoustic B200 combo on self-built 4x10 "half SVT" cab, 1970-ish Ampeg BT-140 2x15, 1974 SVT head on late 70s 8x10 cab, 1996 SVT III Pro on self-built 2x10/1x15 cab.
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1383043_10201160687397800_1749877531_n.jpg)
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My last gigging rig was a Shuttle 9.0 driving a Hartke Hydrive 410. I loved the light weight of both. We had everything in road cases so it was always racked. Survived many gigs. We had a full PA, light show, etc. so it was set up and packed up many times. We parked the 14 foot Magnum trailer in a garage storage facility so the amp spent many weeks in the extreme Texas climate and never failed to deliver. The guy who replaced me in the band was so impressed with the rig he purchased it from me.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2ee95ck.jpg)
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Well, this is everything.
:o Are you sure? ;D
I would love to have your rig(s) ... if it wasn't larger than my apartment.
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After 35+ years of playing, stuff can accumulate. ;D Most of it I've had for 12-20 years.
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My latest rig. Mesa Prodigy amp and two Mesa 15 powerhouse cabs. Simple, powerful and does a great job for me!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/AMPS/DSCN1116_zps1e673c61.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/drbassman/media/AMPS/DSCN1116_zps1e673c61.jpg.html)
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That's killer! Mesa always made a nice 15'' cab. I used to have one of the old Road Ready 1x15 with the flight case shell and snap on lid.
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Good stuff all the way around. I love the sound of this rig, it's what I've been working toward for the last year or so.
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My latest addition to the jam room:
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz62/ack1961/Music/20131101_185741.jpg) (http://s814.photobucket.com/user/ack1961/media/Music/20131101_185741.jpg.html)
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My latest addition to the jam room:
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz62/ack1961/Music/20131101_185741.jpg) (http://s814.photobucket.com/user/ack1961/media/Music/20131101_185741.jpg.html)
Looks like yellow thunder!
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This is my 80's bass rig. I replaced the 410 aluminum drivers with Neo's to lighten up the cab when I was gigging.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2q22vjq.jpg)
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My latest rig. Mesa Prodigy amp and two Mesa 15 powerhouse cabs. Simple, powerful and does a great job for me!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/AMPS/DSCN1116_zps1e673c61.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/drbassman/media/AMPS/DSCN1116_zps1e673c61.jpg.html)
That is a great looking rig...
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(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/rhystard/20131206_195843_zps1b00662d.jpg)
Mine from last night. Can't decide what to fill the rack with-leaning towards a GK 700rbII, as a full backup, and to match it a touch more(messes with my ocd)
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In the meantime, there's always the inexpensive and stylish 2 rack unit blank panel.....
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Here's my LoZ home practise rig. Don't play out with this one, strictly practise/recording rig.
Bogen Challenger 33 PA amp
- 2 mic inputs (original amphenol connectors replaced with 1/4" TS) + 1 Phono input (RCA jack on rear).
- 33ish watts from a pair of 6L6s, tube rectified
Into a DIY 1x12 transmission line cabinet currently loaded with an old "fullrange" driver ( Marsland; think vintage Jensen with a whizzer cone).
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/LoZRig/LoZBogenChallenger.jpg)
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/LoZRig/LoZRig1.jpg)
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/LoZRig/LoZRig2.jpg)
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The front of the Reeves. The cab is a MAS Flex 110.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g421/spiritbass/P1140011_zps98b8e01a.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/spiritbass/media/P1140011_zps98b8e01a.jpg.html)
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Current rig, MusicMan One thirty w./ EVM15L loaded 115RH and Celestion BN12 neo loaded RH212.
Played it for a while with shortscale Gibsons now, love it!
(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/sjokoladen/P6240380_zpse3f7b78f.jpg)] (http://[URL=http://s977.photobucket.com/user/sjokoladen/media/P6240380_zpse3f7b78f.jpg.html)
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Awesome.
My 115RH is in storage at the moment. ... might bust it out for a gig on the 28th.
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1971 Hiwatt DR201 w/4 KT88power tubes, all original (formerly owned by Manfred Mann Bassist Colin Pattendon)
1973 Hiwatt SE2151 2x15 with all original Fane 15" Speakers
1964 Polaris White T Bird II and 1965 Pelham Blue T bird II
Amp sounds incredible. I'd put it up against any SVT any day. Simply amazing...I wish I had another rig like this!!! LOUD!! Earth shaking!!!!
PLus it helps to have a Thunderbird!!
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The front of the Reeves. The cab is a MAS Flex 110.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g421/spiritbass/P1140011_zps98b8e01a.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/spiritbass/media/P1140011_zps98b8e01a.jpg.html)
Wow, can you tell us a bit more about the Reeves 225?
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1971 Hiwatt DR201 w/4 KT88power tubes, all original (formerly owned by Manfred Mann Bassist Colin Pattendon)
1973 Hiwatt SE2151 2x15 with all original Fane 15" Speakers
1964 Polaris White T Bird II and 1965 Pelham Blue T bird II
Amp sounds incredible. I'd put it up against any SVT any day. Simply amazing...I wish I had another rig like this!!! LOUD!! Earth shaking!!!!
PLus it helps to have a Thunderbird!!
Jeez Baz, you're gear is really old. Can't you get some new stuff? ;) :P 8)
Beautiful rig man. Keep it! I've been enjoying the vintage Ampeg 2x15 I just did a minor refurb on. Need to post some pics in the thread I started a while ago...
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My "stereo" rig:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/IMG_4113.JPG)
EBS CL112 driven by LAB Series L2 100 W solid state (dirty)
Hartke 115 XL w/EV speaker driven by Hiwatt DR103 (clean)
Both heads are 1977.
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Wow, can you tell us a bit more about the Reeves 225?
I played through a Reeves at one of the Cincinnati TB get togethers a few years back. I LOVED the sound and the power! We were in an empty office space, and the floors and ceiling were shaking.
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Thanks Tom!! One of these days..since I'm an unemployed musician with nothing but time on my side..we'll have to hook up. I'll bring my Hamer T bird 8 string and the Hiwatt head over....I'm dying to hear your 2x15 with your Ampeg SVT!!!! Bet that is Sick!! !!!
Pekka...Nice Hiwatt!!!
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Hi all, here is my lil bit o insanity. Marshall 3540 head powers the Carvin & Ampeg 4x10`s and 18`s, Marshall DBS head for the Ashdown 4x10, Tubeworks heads for the SVT and front loaded 15`s in the Leslies, a Bogen M330 for the rotating part of the Leslies and a Marshall JCM800 50watt half stack.
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Hi all, here is my lil bit o insanity.
At least your control room should have enough low end..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LoX7RsD2vs
oh, its lets see your rig! so sorry.
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Hi all, here is my lil bit o insanity.
;)
Welcome here!
When are you inviting us over?
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I'm in the midst of a major change to my rig, but this is where I am right now.
Currently I use an older Fender Bassman 400 over a matching Bassman 115 cabinet. It's nothing fancy, but it gets the job done. I've been bitten by the Ampeg bug after using some pretty cool backline gear. So, I'll call this my temporary rig...
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk176/justadrummer5359/FenderFenderFender.jpg) (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/justadrummer5359/media/FenderFenderFender.jpg.html)
Here is another shot, I just upgraded my guitar amp as well.
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk176/justadrummer5359/BluesDeluxe02_zps1fe3784a.jpg) (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/justadrummer5359/media/BluesDeluxe02_zps1fe3784a.jpg.html)
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As I said when I posted the above photos, I was in the middle of updating my rig.
Here is the new and improved rig.
Ampeg SVT 3 Pro/SVT 212 AV
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk176/justadrummer5359/SVTGoodness_zpsfd26ee87.jpg) (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/justadrummer5359/media/SVTGoodness_zpsfd26ee87.jpg.html)
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Wow, can you tell us a bit more about the Reeves 225?
I'm sorry for taking so long to reply. Well, they're made in a facility in Ohio that Jim Reeves (Mister HiWatt) established and are conservatively rated power-wise. In the review I read before buying mine, the test amp was delivering 265 watts IIRC. There are a couple of updates from the classic Hi-Watt. There is an active/passive switch for the preamp. The D.I. signal is tapped off of the output transformer. I believe that the transformers are Heyboers. Build quality is superb. This thing can deliver low end for days. The only upcharge I paid for was a NOS tube in the V1 position. I love the sound and feel of it. It's been rock solid so far. I probably need to have the bias checked. I've been playing it a few months now, and the bias will drift a bit after a while.
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Here she is. Played a gig with it last weekend and it sounded great! Probably could have gotten by with one cab, but we do play outdoors once in awhile in the summer, so two is better! It has that deep, old time boominess I love so much, but with plenty of definition. My Gibson 335 and Gretsch ThunderJet love this rig.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/AMPS/DSCN0093_zps188fadc0.jpg)
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Bill, I think I am having a adverse affect on your decision making process. ;)
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When I use it, this is it. GK MB410-II with MBP410-II. 1000 watts 810's
(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/Thornton_Davis/GK_4-2_zps20d588a4.jpg) (http://s498.photobucket.com/user/Thornton_Davis/media/GK_4-2_zps20d588a4.jpg.html) (http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/Thornton_Davis/GK_3-2_zps630140e0.jpg) (http://s498.photobucket.com/user/Thornton_Davis/media/GK_3-2_zps630140e0.jpg.html)
TD
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I use some combination of this:
(http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/georgestrings/BassAmpsMarch13_zps33bb6e6c.jpg) (http://s567.photobucket.com/user/georgestrings/media/BassAmpsMarch13_zps33bb6e6c.jpg.html)
Lately, I've been using the Streamliner 900 into the PH215 quite a bit...
- georgestrings
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What's the amp on top of the 810 cab?
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What's the amp on top of the 810 cab?
The rack has a Mesa M-pulse 600, Korg DTR-2000 tuner, and XDR-95 wireless in it...
- georgestrings
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Nice. I bet any combination of that stuff sounds great!
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Nice. I bet any combination of that stuff sounds great!
Thanks - it's all worked pretty well, I have to admit... I used the rack and 810 in a loud 2 guitar band - both used Triple Rec halfstacks, and I never had to push it hard to get the job done... I picked up a like new MIA Ampeg BA115 a couple of months ago, but am not sure when I'll use it - it was such a good deal, I couldn't resist... I've also been keeping an eye out for a 400+, just because I've wanted one for awhile....
- georgestrings
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I added the second speaker, once it finally came in off backorder........ I's already on backorder again......
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af119/Grog_03/LMIII-2NY151B_zpsf88f5078.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/user/Grog_03/media/LMIII-2NY151B_zpsf88f5078.jpg.html)
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af119/Grog_03/LMIII-2NY151A_zps5b3cf329.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/user/Grog_03/media/LMIII-2NY151A_zps5b3cf329.jpg.html)
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My small room rig in action last week. O'Neill B15-100 and Fliptops.net repro B-15E cab ....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202014/IMG-20140325-00282_zpscea9df7e.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202014/DeborahThomson_zpsd6703e8a.jpg)
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Nice rig.... but wearing checks with stripes is a rather serious offense. Frauline, get out your handcuffs!
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wearing checks with stripes is a rather serious offense
It wasn't, back in the 60s.
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It was; just dudes didn't know it yet (but I bet Marianne and Anita were mortified) :P
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Smoke and mirrors:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202014/IMG_20141025_183149_zps59d82fac.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202014/IMG_20141025_184615_zps365c3de0.jpg)
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Mark, you're just carrying on a longstanding tradition. In the late 70's early 80's, Peavey VERY publicly sponsored the Grand Ol' Opry and insisted that every piece of equipment used there be Peavey, so the house band took the Peavey chassis of all their new instrument amps and installed the "guts" of the same old Fenders (mostly) that they had been using for decades. Everybody got what they wanted out of the arrangement: the musicians kept the same stellar tones they were used to and Peavey became the go-to brand for literally millions of people who were convinced that they were buying the same equipment used by their idols. It also showed that the emperor, more often than not, is not wearing any clothes.
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Ha, cool! The big Beatles tribute in Chicago - American English - does similar. The bass player has a Eden head stashed in a Vox box.
Here's my "ultimate Ampeg rig". '74 SVT head running a '71 BT-140 2x15 cab (with original JBL D-140 speakers) on the left, and a later 70s tilt-back 8x10 on the right. In the center is a '96 SVT III Pro driving a custom built 2x10 (cast frame Eminence from Ampeg PR410HLF)/1x15 (EVM 15L).
(http://static.talkbass.com/data/attachment-files/2014/10/725758_13ffb1d0eb9b3d9b61e8e4233215dfd3.jpg)
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I can tollerate that ... it's stuff like this that is is beyond defense:
(http://www.underthegunreview.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/6465_10201245474596794_1962232868_n.jpeg)
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5868546816/hA578836B/)
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That's hilarious. I always wondered how many actual working cabinets were in the Van Halen 1980s stage sets:
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee310/wingnutLS2/VanHalen1984Stage2.jpg)
And of course there's always Geddy Lee's take on the whole charade:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h317/Shelly_photos/Darfur%20and%20Myspace/Sarsstock.jpg)
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And then there was Henhouse...
(http://falseprecision.typepad.com/my_weblog/081907_2359_RushRedrock3.png)
... for some hot smokey chicken vibes...
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Angus Young does stadium gigs with a miked up 50w Marshall located behind the stage, so their wall of Marshalls is also fake
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Richie Blackmore didn't even have a 50W, he just plugged into a line6 pod!
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A friend used to have a Scorpions poster that had a nice angled shot of the Marshall stacks, but you could clearly see a little, wicker grill Boogie sitting on a stool with a mic in front of it on the side of the stage. ;D
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The guitarists in Whitesnake also worked with pods when we did support for them.
The Marshall stacks were all empty. The only thing inside was a nine volt battery for the pilot light in the amp head...
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The guitarists in Whitesnake also worked with pods when we did support for them.
The Marshall stacks were all empty. The only thing inside was a nine volt battery for the pilot light in the amp head...
I've added a red 3v bezel globe, a double AA battery clip, and a toggle switch to my fake SVT head too. When I come on stage I made a big deal about turning the amp "on" LOL
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Angus Young does stadium gigs with a miked up 50w Marshall located behind the stage, so their wall of Marshalls is also fake
I seem to recall a BP interview with Cliff Williams years ago where he said his cabs were all fake, he used a hidden single 15.
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Well, here it is finally. This will be my rig for awhile! I've run the tube gauntlet and for me, this hybrid set up is the best! My brain is massaged and pleased by this rig. It's all a matter of taste and the output and tone of this set up is as tasty as it gets. The ability to dial in extra lows below 160 Hz with the EQ and enhance it all with a little bit of compression is the perfect combination of settings for me. And, the speakers can handle it all and perform as I desire. As a bonus, I'm keeping the Scout as a backup. Ah.....life on a Mesa.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/Fender%20Pics/IMG_0116_zpsc4a704bc.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/drbassman/media/Fender%20Pics/IMG_0116_zpsc4a704bc.jpg.html)
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I have to sing the praises of my "little shorty" rig. This thing sounds UNBELIEVABLE, especially with my Gibsons. Major mids, and no shortage of lows. I've even used it as a keyboard amp, and it's never farted out, even with major analog thickness. I'm actually thinking of looking for a matching 1x15 extension cab.
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/64001_10200610796170863_959270934_n.jpg?oh=788945b30e882dd29fe5a43d00c7c82e&oe=54EA2958)
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(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/Fender%20Pics/IMG_0116_zpsc4a704bc.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/drbassman/media/Fender%20Pics/IMG_0116_zpsc4a704bc.jpg.html)
That just OOOZES class!
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That just OOOZES class!
Thanks Al. When I ordered the cabs, Mesa had a special on for the $200 covering upgrade. The HOG guys gave it to me for practically nothing. So I figured what the heck! I love the look. I might have the local amp guru make a matching cab for the head. That would be cool, I think. 8)
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The tan color is really unusual, but a very clean look. Having a matching wood case for the Mesa head would really put a finishing touch on it.
Actually, I suspect you could make the wood case easily, but it's a matter of where you want to put your time. I'd think a case that looks like the old Bassman-50 heads would be cool.
(http://ampwares.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Bassman_Blackface_Front_Back.jpg)
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I have to sing the praises of my "little shorty" rig. This thing sounds UNBELIEVABLE, especially with my Gibsons. Major mids, and no shortage of lows. I've even used it as a keyboard amp, and it's never farted out, even with major analog thickness. I'm actually thinking of looking for a matching 1x15 extension cab.
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/64001_10200610796170863_959270934_n.jpg?oh=788945b30e882dd29fe5a43d00c7c82e&oe=54EA2958)
I've been pretty "m'eh" on the few Acoustic heads I tried (never used the cabs - usually another band's rig at the gig (punk gearshare styles) or at a rehearsal space. I always suspected the cheesey cabs were the problem but without the luxury of being able to test it out better I wasn't sure.
Anyway, any idea what speaker they use in that thing. Also how is the high end?
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Thanks Al. When I ordered the cabs, Mesa had a special on for the $200 covering upgrade. The HOG guys gave it to me for practically nothing. So I figured what the heck! I love the look. I might have the local amp guru make a matching cab for the head. That would be cool, I think. 8)
Those look great with the covering upgrade.
The simple solution for the head would be to buy or build a wood rack case and have it covered in matching fabric.
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I can build it but I have ten other projects ahead of it!
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I can build it but I have ten other projects ahead of it!
Just ten!? Things slowing down? ;)
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I can build it but I have ten other projects ahead of it!
Like the Billy Bo? ;)
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Like the Billy Bo? ;)
Ouch, you are so right! And 4 other bodies, and a spray booth, and shop remodeling and......................
I got sidetracked while building my spray booth, the wife decided she wants the garage drywalled and finished. So.................
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The tan color is really unusual, but a very clean look. Having a matching wood case for the Mesa head would really put a finishing touch on it.
Actually, I suspect you could make the wood case easily, but it's a matter of where you want to put your time. I'd think a case that looks like the old Bassman-50 heads would be cool.
(http://ampwares.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Bassman_Blackface_Front_Back.jpg)
That is a cool look for sure. In fact, having the controls angled up slightly would be a nice touch. I'll have to give it some thought.......
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A little rack with ivory tolex would be super cool! Color matching might be tricky though. These guys have all kinds of fun stuff -
https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/S-G448
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I've been pretty "m'eh" on the few Acoustic heads I tried (never used the cabs - usually another band's rig at the gig (punk gearshare styles) or at a rehearsal space. I always suspected the cheesey cabs were the problem but without the luxury of being able to test it out better I wasn't sure.
Anyway, any idea what speaker they use in that thing. Also how is the high end?
I have no idea what the speaker is. The highs are fine, just a little hard to set because the amp is so low to the ground. You'll think there's not enough, but if you crouch down, or stand in front of an elevated stage, it's there. I really didn't want to like this thing, but I needed something small for a gig in Ohio (Put In Bay) a couple of summers ago. Went to GC and tried a few - GK, Mark, Ampeg mini SVT. The Ampeg was real close, but I could tell it was on the edge of pain. The sales guy was an older dude and "got" what I was into, and insisted I had to try the Acoustic. I was surprised by the tone, and it was the cheapest of the bunch! I get a total "Moving Pictures" tone, but with more lows. Mr. Lee was using solid state amps through 15s at that time...
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Thanks... maybe I can sleuth it out on google. Been looking for a nice balanced 15" speaker model with decent highs in case my beloved EV goes (no longer made, can be reconed but not with proper kits for this model so may sound a bit different afterwards). The cone is getting a bit fatigued (on the thinner side for a 15 - part of why I like them). Haven't seen one of these EVs for sale in about 5 years so an alt model to look at would be good.
... oh, the B200 has a horn. Dammit; probably won't do as a replacement for me. When I originally looked at the pics I thought that was dual ports.
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Thanks... maybe I can sleuth it out on google. Been looking for a nice balanced 15" speaker model with decent highs in case my beloved EV goes (no longer made, can be reconed but not with proper kits for this model so may sound a bit different afterwards). The cone is getting a bit fatigued (on the thinner side for a 15 - part of why I like them). Haven't seen one of these EVs for sale in about 5 years so an alt model to look at would be good.
... oh, the B200 has a horn. Dammit; probably won't do as a replacement for me. When I originally looked at the pics I thought that was dual ports.
I recently reconed an VM15L of mine, and i can strongly recommend the kit. Even more recently i got a stock EVM15L, and when comparing them they have the same feeling, I must admit. I have tried both in same enclosures (I know, the human ear remembers etc. but who´s got a bunch of similar 115 cabs) I do notice the new sounds ´fresher´ , maybe
it´s even more punchy and less rounded than the stock - but then again who knows what the stock one sounded like when new! I love them both, EVM is my all time favourite 15 speaker for bass. Use it in both Musicman 115RH and a portaflex-like cab.
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... oh, the B200 has a horn. Dammit; probably won't do as a replacement for me. When I originally looked at the pics I thought that was dual ports.
It has an on/off switch. I leave it off, unless I'm using it for keys. Not a fan of horns! Some cabs seem to be designed to need them - Eden/SWR. Even then, I'll dial in just a touch.
EVM is my all time favourite 15 speaker for bass. Use it in both Musicman 115RH and a portaflex-like cab.
EVM15L is my fav too. I've had the same one in 5 different cabs since the late 80s. I think it may be "fatigued" as well. I'm also really enjoying the JBL D140s in my '71 Ampeg 2x15. Nice bright highs, but with a deceptively strong, pillowy low end.
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Yeah, my EV (model SP15A - a extended range hifi woofer - has a whizzer cone - modern model not to be confused with the vintage SP15) is in my MM 115RH. LOVE IT (useful response up to 8k, the 8 and 12" versions are considered fullrange).
No recone kits available (other models will fit, but it will be a different speaker). Nothing else comes close.
Most of the alt models I am looking at are over $250 each new.the EVM15B is the exception - my recone guy has those coming out his ears so I can get one cheap, but the SP15A is better on both the bottom and top end.
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I picked this up used a few months ago. A Reeves 225 with matching sealed 410. I traded my Mesa Prodigy head plus some cash and got a great deal. So glad I did. It sounds phenomenal. Looks pretty sweet too.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn3/saltymonkey/_DSF2605_zpsc8604a61.jpg)(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn3/saltymonkey/f49b3fe72fee932e0ad1d5c3ad40d76d_zpsacfd4232.jpg)
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I picked this up used a few months ago. A Reeves 225 with matching sealed 410. I traded my Mesa Prodigy head plus some cash and got a great deal. So glad I did. It sounds phenomenal. Looks pretty sweet too.
That is really sweet looking! I love the blonde cab look. Makes me want to build a cab for my amp head.
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That Reeves stack looks beautiful!!
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Super cool Reeves!
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Just drooling over that Reeves right now.
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Jeeeeeez what a find!!
That's awesome. Congrats!
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Holy cow. What kind of power does that Reeves put out?
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Since you dumped a Prodigy as I did, how does the Reeves compare to the Mesa?
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I finally got round to change the grills of my two Eden D210XLT cabs.
Now my T-stack looks a little bit more Ampegged 8)
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10171780_10205142713592489_5095182502187506538_n.jpg?oh=24a0166c4137be94c2ddc62c4b23af90&oe=54D59A95)
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I finally got round to change the grills of my two Eden D210XLT cabs.
Now my T-stack looks a little bit more Ampegged 8)
Welcome to the Shampeg club!
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Looks great! I like the "what ARE those" vibe. Way cooler than the stock Eden look!
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"what ARE those" vibe.
:toast:
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The tan color is really unusual, but a very clean look. Having a matching wood case for the Mesa head would really put a finishing touch on it.
Actually, I suspect you could make the wood case easily, but it's a matter of where you want to put your time. I'd think a case that looks like the old Bassman-50 heads would be cool.
(http://ampwares.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Bassman_Blackface_Front_Back.jpg)
I have a Bassman head that looks just like that sitting in the den. But mine has extensive wear. The cab that goes to it got stolen many years ago. I think it's guitarists who are mostly interested in those old Bassman amps now. There was a really good guitarist who used to own a shop who wanted to buy mine several years ago. He really insisted, but through the years I've usually kept most of what I've bought.
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I had a Bassman amp identical to that, and in outstanding shape. But I sold it to my lead guitarist since I didn't need it. My Genz amp does everything the Bassman did with more power...and lighter to move around. He's delighted with it and I got a fair but low price since I wanted him to have it. I'd had that amp since 1967.
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I had a Bassman amp identical to that, and in outstanding shape. But I sold it to my lead guitarist since I didn't need it. My Genz amp does everything the Bassman did with more power...and lighter to move around. He's delighted with it and I got a fair but low price since I wanted him to have it. I'd had that amp since 1967.
I can see why you wouldn't have need of it anymore, but it's good that your lead guitarist can use it.
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Simon Chardiet's rig on Rockaway Beach, post Sandy.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/JAEbirds%20in%20Action/thunderbassman_zpsba292611.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/JAEbirds%20in%20Action/thunderbassman_zpsba292611.jpg.html)
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Mine looks like it has already been though something like Sandy several times. I don't quite know how it got so battered. But things were never the same anyway after the original cab that went with it was stolen and I was never able to find a replacement I liked as much.
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I can see why you wouldn't have need of it anymore, but it's good that your lead guitarist can use it.
It's regarded as a first class guitar amp now, and with 50W of tube power, it can get very loud in performance. He was jacked to get such a classic tube amp.
I'm TOO MUCH of a pack rat - have bunches of stuff that I don't need but have had for a long time. I keep trying to move some out.
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It's regarded as a first class guitar amp now, and with 50W of tube power, it can get very loud in performance. He was jacked to get such a classic tube amp.
I'm TOO MUCH of a pack rat - have bunches of stuff that I don't need but have had for a long time. I keep trying to move some out.
I had read somewhere that guitarists really like that amp now, but I didn't know how much. Frankly, I've never even heard a guitar played through one. There has been a lot of bass played through mine, though, obviously.
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For me, it's horses for courses, and variety being the spice of life. Here's my rigs from my last 4 gigs ....
Markbass TTE-500 into Markbass CL104
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202014/IMG_20141122_204525_zps3c9bff0d.jpg)
Traynor YBA-200 into Markbass CL104
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202014/IMG_20141206_210005_zpsd5656843.jpg)
Trayor YBA-200 into Ampeg SVT212AV
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202014/IMG_20141128_200908_zpsc62f88db.jpg)
O'Neill B15-100 into Fliptops B15E
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202014/IMG_20141129_174234_zpsb3085b15.jpg)
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Nice overcast day today, so perfect for outdoor photos.
From L to R: Ampeg SB-12 Portaflex; O'Neill Amps B15-100 and Fliptops B15E cab; Genz Benz Streamliner 900 and Ampeg SVT212AV; Markbass TTE500 and Markbass CL104; Markbass Classic 300 and Fender Neo 610; Absent (sick): Traynor YBA-200
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Bass%20gear/IMG_20150102_145204_zpsbe7c66e5.jpg)
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Wow. Nice line up! Really impressive.
That grille on the second from right needs work though ;)
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Nice... what do you do for an encore... ;)
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Completed the Ampeg look on my Eden cabs.
A friend of mine saw the new grill cloth make over and made a set of Ampeg logo plates to complete the make over.
The casting mold and the result.
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/1397225_760943597312926_6417280405466889536_o.jpg)
The one on the left is an original. To other is the fake.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10842084_764457996961486_2650302712572035957_o.jpg)
My T-stack after the make over.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/10887880_10205510662950993_1301436369_n.jpg?oh=7f8d365c1ac36188b316ca8aa8eef0eb&oe=54ABC44E&__gda__=1420533219_9609167bf714031cdac0bbd9c2a12782)
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That's cool! What did you use to make the logo plates from?
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The friend that made them for me used black epoxy.
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What model Eden were those again? Any idea what enclosure type that is (ports look too big for bass reflex, but it still could be)?
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They are D210XLT cabs.
Very clever design with high efficiency.
When I first saw/heard a guy using one of those I couldn't believe it was only 2 x 10. I thought he was using a sub hidden somewhere. ;)
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They are D210XLT cabs.
Very clever design with high efficiency.
When I first saw/heard a guy using one of those I couldn't believe it was only 2 x 10. I thought he was using a sub hidden somewhere. ;)
I had one in my office for a flight case we were making a few years ago. I thought it was an interesting design, so I took a bunch of measurements, etc. in case I ever decided to build one. I'm kinda more into 15s nowadays though...
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Rob, is that the Benz wagon hiding in the garage?
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No, it's the 230CE, a coupé.
The wagon had to leave last autumn. Back to Ze Heimat.
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I had one in my office for a flight case we were making a few years ago. I thought it was an interesting design, so I took a bunch of measurements, etc. in case I ever decided to build one. I'm kinda more into 15s nowadays though...
I like Eden gear ... I used to own a 210XLT and I had a couple of their WT heads. It is indeed a very loud and very bassy 2x10. It was my only cab for a while there. My only problem with it, and the reason that I eventually sold it, is that it has a noticeable bump around G on the low E string and then drops off like a rock below that. I couldn't stand the huge contrast in volume between E and G, or even F and G. It eventually bothered me too much to keep using it.
They later came out with the XST cab which supposedly has response down to low E and beyond, but I haven't had my hands on one. David whatsisname's new company DNA has a cab that on paper seems similar to the XST. I would have given the XST or the DNA a try if they had existed last time I went looking for cabs; instead I ended up with a couple EA cabs which have made me very happy for several years now.
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I had one in my office for a flight case we were making a few years ago. I thought it was an interesting design, so I took a bunch of measurements, etc. in case I ever decided to build one. I'm kinda more into 15s nowadays though...
Bass reflex then? I hate how manufacturers never (rarely) disclose the cab type anymore.... they say something about a horn but I assume that's in reference to the tweeter, though it is not clear on the Eden website. [edit] given Slinkp's comments re falling off a cliff below low G, I am gonna assume bass reflex.
Anyway, Rob, they look much nicer with that grille cloth mod vs the original metal grate. Like amazing difference really.
... which reminds me, I was trying to sell my DIY 8x10 and realised nobody was gonna buy it without a grille so I did this:
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/amps-n-cabs/8x10Grille3-sm.jpg)
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Not sure if it's really bass reflex. There is no diagonal plate in there.
It more like two bass ports.
D210XLT is not the same as 210XLT.
The D is for Deep. They are deeper and have two ports.
Whereas the XST has only one port.
I haven't got any issues with extreme voicing where tones drop off or get exaggerated too much...
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Sorry, I forgot there was a one-port version. I had the D210XLT, the version with vents both above and below the speakers. I've never heard a non-D XLT. I would certainly be interested to try that other Eden cabs to see how they're tuned differently, if I ever get a chance.
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Not sure if it's really bass reflex. There is no diagonal plate in there.
It more like two bass ports.
Yeah, bass reflex requires no diagonal plate; "ported" = bass reflex.... though the presence of a port does not mean it is "ported" (could be a transmission line, band pass etc, which have ports, but more behind them), just to make things confusing.
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The friend that made them for me used black epoxy.
Great job! Given the shortage of the old style plates and the ridiculous prices they command on eBay, your friend could make a tidy income selling his epoxy plates.
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Yeah, bass reflex requires no diagonal plate; "ported" = bass reflex.... though the presence of a port does not mean it is "ported" (could be a transmission line, band pass etc, which have ports, but more behind them), just to make things confusing.
If it were bandpass, you wouldn't see any drivers :) Has anybody used a bandpass design for bass cabs? I have a hard time imagining it would be anything other than awful :)
And, has anybody manufactured transmission line bass cabs other than EA?
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The Eden XLT series (as all of their cabs) were simple tuned bass reflex cabinets. IIRC, the "D" was just naming thing for the David series, so named to take on SWR's 80's dominance with the Goliath cabinets and named after David Nordschow, Eden's owner/founder. I spoke with him. He's a very nice guy. I can attest to the massive rolloff below G and also that the XST series, which came out much later, did improve massively in lows and perform as advertised. Eden XLT cabs had an absolute TON of low mids and upper bass, which fooled quite a few people for a very long time. They also had the budget Nemesis line, which featured ultra-light cabs and 200 watt combos and were made overseas, when at that time, Eden amps were all made in the US. I have a Nemesis 8x10. The horn sounds terrible, but the rest of the cab is awesome.
They also cheated on the specs sheet for years and used a C-weighted signal (Peavey calls it "program power") to derive frequency response curves for the cabs so that folks wouldn't notice the 10-12 dB slope at 50 Hz with normal broadband signal. Anyone else remember the massive gear giveaways in Bass Player magazine where it was always some megabuck boutique coffee table bass paired with an Eden rig? Eden was VERY smart in doing that. They were the undisputed kings of new bass amps for many years. Hell, even I have an Eden, but it doesn't really count because it's all tube and was made by Koch Electronics :-X ...but I would take an old s/s Eden ANY day (along with a host of other solid state bass amps.)
Mark, I second that. Old Ampeg plates are milled aluminum and pretty heavy. I'll bet they were sourced straight from Alcoa, which is about 60 miles from the Jefferson City Ampeg factory. Epoxy is good modern substitute.
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If it were bandpass, you wouldn't see any drivers :) Has anybody used a bandpass design for bass cabs? I have a hard time imagining it would be anything other than awful :)
Yes - I don't think it likely or a good idea at all, I mentioned it just because it was the first example of a cab with a port that isn't reflex that came to mind.
And, has anybody manufactured transmission line bass cabs other than EA?
Yeah; me. :-*
Here's my 1x12 prototype (formerly a 2x12 that I cut in half; wouldn't fit into me bandmate's Civic; about the size of a guitar 4x12). Works great with any typical guitar speaker (resonance around 65-85Hz; it's tunable to some degree). I like Jensen/Marsland type 12s in it for guitar and JBL/EV for bass. Useful response down to 40Hz at least (didn't measure - just hit open E on a my EB3 :P :P); never tried a fiver (but theoretically it should do well enough down to 25-35 Hz depending on driver resonance). On the far left:
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/amps-n-cabs/TheWall0001-sm.JPG)
...And my TL studio monitors (white; natural is the original prototype built for my wife to replace giant 15" Technics 3 ways, and the red ones went to my brother for his home theater paid off a debt to him with that and a Sony sub someone gave me):
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/projects/FRTL/Production-Finished/FRTL4-colours-profile1.jpg)
(http://www.grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/projects/FRTL/FRTL4-0001/FRTL4-0001_1.jpg)
Designed for high SAF (Spousal Approval Factor) and small to medium rooms (the old Technics were no good up against a wall or with a too near listening position - our old living room was bigger). Made to be hung on (or placed very close to) a wall so it takes the placement game out of the equation and is a significant part of working well in small rooms.
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Hello y'all!
Long time no post, so I'll just get to the point and show you my rig(s).
It's a tri-amp setup, I use them all at once.
Right: Clean (well, most of the time)
Middle: Dirt 1
Left: Dirt 2 (plus modulation, delay, looper)
Cheers!
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Recent gig rig pics -
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202015/IMG_20150130_210158_zpspmass5g9.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202015/IMG_20150502_181315_zpsohelabj4.jpg)
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I'm playing thru this (the Garnet Sessionman and the Musicman 115RH with EV SP15C speaker; the cab in between is a 2x6+2xTweeter mid/hi fill cab I built to match; use it to turn this rig into a small fullrange PA).
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/Studio/IMG_1026.jpg)
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Mark nicked Geddy's precision...! ;)
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Is that a whizzer cone on that EV driver?
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If you are talking to me then yes that's a whizzer, but the driver is an EV. Makes going with just a single 1x15 rig that much more workable.
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Yeah, I meant EV, sorry :)
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I recently picked up a 2006 made in USA Ampeg SVT Classic head, I've paired it with my SVT 212 AV. It has some serious oomph. And yes, it takes some serious oomph to move. Honestly it isn't as bad as I thought it would be.
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk176/justadrummer5359/Ampeg%20Rig_zps8on8szvm.jpg) (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/justadrummer5359/media/Ampeg%20Rig_zps8on8szvm.jpg.html)
I've already ordered the black replacement grill for the 212.
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The griping about weight of tube amps is severely overblown, thanks largely to the efforts of paid shills for the ultralight amp companies. There are folks who have legit reasons to not want to be hauling around 90 lb heads and 150lb cabs, but seriously, I've never seen a single complaint about the weight of a Marshall 4x12 or two.
I'd keep the blue grille cloth for the AV cab. Black shows up much more road wear and dirt and the blue just plain looks classier. The SVT CL is an odd beastie among tube bass amps, sounding almost nothing like its ancestral namesake, but a nice tone in its own right. They have much less useful midrange and are more "traditionally toned" except in the lowest of the low end. It ought to get along with that Rick's snarl just fine.
Just pray that the protection relays in yours keep a good temperament. Once they go wonky, the only cure is to find some mega-output tubes that idle at currents too low to trip them. The old Ei KT90 used to be perfect for that, but they're extinct now and have been for over a decade.
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I'd keep the blue grille cloth for the AV cab. Black shows up much more road wear and dirt and the blue just plain looks classier. The SVT CL is an odd beastie among tube bass amps, sounding almost nothing like its ancestral namesake, but a nice tone in its own right. They have much less useful midrange and are more "traditionally toned" except in the lowest of the low end. It ought to get along with that Rick's snarl just fine.
I have to agree with this. I would put vintage cloth on the head. The CL preamp is a completely different animal than the original. It IS a little more "traditional" (in line with modern amps) sounding, but has plenty of the classic tone. And yes, WAY less of that killer midrange.
I built probably the best possible flight case for my '74. Designed for ease of use and light weight.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152815626451296.1073741827.133281256295&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152815626451296.1073741827.133281256295&type=3)
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Hi guys. I'm not replacing the grill cloth itself, Ampeg offers replacement panels with the black cloth for these speakers so that you can switch them as you want. I'll hang onto the silver/blue panels in case I buy one of the V4B reissues down the road.
So far I'm liking the sound, I'm really looking forward to hearing it with two 212 cabinets as well as through the 810E that I have on order.
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Here is a photo of my Ampeg SVT Classic/SVT 212 AV rig in the midst of changing the grill. It gives you a chance to see the drivers.
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk176/justadrummer5359/SVT%20212%20AV%20without%20grill_zpsg3sw4kv0.jpg) (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/justadrummer5359/media/SVT%20212%20AV%20without%20grill_zpsg3sw4kv0.jpg.html)
And here it is with the black grill.
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk176/justadrummer5359/Rickenbacker%204003W%20with%20SVT%20Classic%20and%20SVT%20212%20AV_zpskje9ndsb.jpg) (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/justadrummer5359/media/Rickenbacker%204003W%20with%20SVT%20Classic%20and%20SVT%20212%20AV_zpskje9ndsb.jpg.html)
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^^^^^
Nice - I've got the grey/blue grille SVT212-AV, which is a better match with our 70s vibe tribute bands. They're a great little cab, aren't they?
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They really are, I have a second one on order as well as an 810E. :mrgreen:
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Just picked up a new addition to the arsenal. I had been looking for a Fender PA 135 for quite a while. The speakers came along with the amp. Not sure if am going to use those. as they're probably worthless for bass. But still a nice set altogether.
I plan on having the amp modified to 4 different stages of overdrive. 1 clean. 2 sweet drive, 3 overdrive, 4 are you nuts. And then choose with a footswitch.
Should be fun.
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/10639654_10206807679175588_4199380646403231995_n.jpg?oh=34cd6c01841ebe489bfd3d48f81d8a81&oe=55E7A8DB)
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Welcome to the world of PA amps, bud! I love mine (Garnet Rebel PA Reverb; Garnet Sessionman Vocal System; Traynor YBA-1). I've seen some nice vinatge all tube Marshall and Orange ones in shops but the price is always stupid and they are huuuuuuge. What I like about the Fender is the tone controls are on the channels vs the master; more versatile.
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What I like about the Fender is the tone controls are on the channels vs the master; more versatile.
Yes that is certainly an advantage.
I've been experimenting with a Lehle amp switcher in order to blend and mix the effects of the EH POG2. The POG tends to be a bit too loud compared to the clean signal (which is not the same as the dry/wet ratio). So it helps if you can send the POG signal to a separate amp or channel. The Ampeg V4B has two channels too. But the tone controls are on the master. The Fender PA 135 is a bit louder. Which gives me a bit more headroom.
Can't wait to hear it in the rehearsal room with the band.
What I find a little awkward are the speaker cabs that came with the amp. They are 10,7 Ohms each. The amp says it needs a load of 8 ohms on each output (it has two).
Did this set up really survive an impedance mismatch from 1979 until now?
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2.3 ohms up ain't no thang.
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Oh wait they're 10,7 to be precise. Not that it makes a lot of difference.. ;-)
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Is that DC resistance (you measured) or actual Impedence (listed on the back of the cab or whatever)?
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That's what its says on the back of the cabs.
Impedance per speaker is 32 ohms There's three of them inside.
Total impedance per cab is 10,7 ohms. So that makes sense.
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It's not ideal obviously, but I wouldn't worry about it (even with a tube amp).
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I always thought that it had to be an exact match for tube amps.
But on the back of the amp it says "8 ohms minimum load"
Which leads to think that its doesn't matter as long as it's not less than 8 ohms it's okay.
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Nothing (when it comes to impedence matching amps to speajkers) is ever exact - remember an 8 ohm speaker isn't actually 8 ohms; it is a nominal rating meaning that on average over the intended useful range of the device the thing is approximately 8 ohms.
E.g. the Z curve for some random "8 Ohm" speaker:
(http://www.electrosmash.com/images/tech/mg10/marshall-mg10-speaker-impedance.jpg)
That said a 16 Ohm rated speaker would not be a good idea (you might/probably be able to get away with it depending on the speaker and the amp) - when I say average above, that is a weighted average (i.e. "over the intended useful range") and in reality many speakers Z curves bottom out at the rating (or an ohm or 2 below it) and even then only for the span of a few Hz in the midrange and are well above it for most of the useful range.
FYI - the peak at about 100Hz identifies the speaker's resonant frequency (lowest freq the speaker will usefully produce in typical situation like a sealed or ported cab)
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Thanx Jake. But that's over my head already :mrgreen:
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The reason you don't want higher impedance for tube amps in general is that the output transformer starts feeding back voltage to the output tubes. It's called flyback, but the mismatch has to be pretty significant. Since the factors involved literally range from the amount of wall voltage and the ambient temperature of the room, the math involved gets very serious when it come to calculating precisely which combinations of speakers are more dangerous than others, and as your amp shows, it's not necessarily a hard rule every time, just like you can get away with 1 and 2 ohm loads on solid state amps that aren't rated that low.
However, as Jake's graph shows, speakers have absolutely HUGE low frequency impedance peaks at the resonant frequency and depending on how the cabinet is wired and what the speakers are, these can be astounding, literally over the hundreds in some cabinets. Good tubes are made with this in mind and the order of voltages they can handle from flyback feedback are numbers that start sounding very scary. The rule is to avoid higher general impedances than the amps are rated, but as your PA135 shows, there are caveats to that.
Other things factor in as well. Ported cabinets will have higher, more dangerous resonance than sealed and the type of signal being run through the amp makes a huge difference too: guitar is many orders of magnitude safer than bass or anything with lots of lows, again because of the resonant peaks at the bottom of the speaker's frequency response. You're fine, but I still tell all the kids who have heard the solid state output impedance rules being applied for tube amps that they should avoid higher ratings because there will always be some idiot who hooks up an SVT to an 8 or 16 ohm ported cabinet and cranks the lows only to watch the one or two cheapo old Chinese 6550's (new ones are pretty good stuff) that his guitar player buddy stuck in the amp arc internally and the SVT starts throwing fireballs as it blows up spectacularly: they used to be famous for doing it. Nowadays, the internet and not the grapevine keep players better informed, helping to keep more old tube beasties alive.
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Thanx for all the advice guys.
I know I'll be safe with my Eden cabs, which are 8 ohms each.
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My Ampeg Rig is finally complete. I got the second cabinet this past Saturday.
Ampeg SVT Classic-SVT212AV-SVT212AV
300 watts of all tube Ampeg goodness through four 12"s seems like the top of the bass amp mountain, at least for me it is.
The bad news is that I currently have an ear infection, so I've yet to be able to crank it up and really let it breath.
Here is a shot of it with some old bass in front of it. ;)
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk176/justadrummer5359/Tele%20bass%20with%20Ampeg%20SVT%20stack_zpsan8aawuw.jpg) (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/justadrummer5359/media/Tele%20bass%20with%20Ampeg%20SVT%20stack_zpsan8aawuw.jpg.html)
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Just bought another LAB Series amp. A 200W model L4. Sounds as good as the L2 above. They are still dead cheap so if anyone's looking for a great sounding SS amp with plenty of decibels I heartily recommend these.
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Nice!
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Interesting about impedance peaks for ported vs. sealed cabs. How do other designs fare? Transmission line? Folded horn? Open back guitar amps?
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Interesting about impedance peaks for ported vs. sealed cabs. How do other designs fare?
In terms of electronic impedance and frequency response, there are only two types of cabinets: sealed and ported. The deciding factor is the density of the air column below the cabinets' tuning frequency inside the cabinet itself. In any kind of ported cabinet: bandpass, open back (a port is simply a mechanically tuned open-air column), etc, the voltage applied to the voice coil of the speaker below the port tuning induces little cone movement and is dissipated almost entirely as heat in the coil; too much of that and the speakers will blow without producing any audio other than the harmonic distortion artifacts generated by the amp itself. The speakers will lock their cones at their mechanical limit and stay there until the amount of power passing through the speaker exceeds the thermal limit of the voice coil and the coil burns open, unloading the amplifier completely at all frequencies and destroying the speaker. In a tube amp, as the frequencies below the tuning of the cabinet were always "seen" by the amplifier this way, the output transformer may have sustained internal arcs.
Transmission line? Folded horn?
Those are, in theory, simply sealed cabinets that "cheat" by manipulating the speaker's pressurized air column in various ways and behave electronically accordingly. The difference in these cabinets and "normal" sealed cabinets is that these types have a much lower mechanical resonance. Since these types depend on their "natural" tuning for extreme lows, boosting low frequencies below tuning will still have an order-of-magnitude larger impedance spike which will make for a very uneven low frequency response. That's also why "normal" sealed cabinets have remained popular while these types remain esoteric novelties: the relatively high low frequency cutoff of a normal sealed cabinet can be compensated for electronically at predictable intervals.
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Fascinating stuff,, thanks.
I suspect the much lower cost to design and build a sealed cab may be a factor ...
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Fascinating stuff,, thanks.
I suspect the much lower cost to design and build a sealed cab may be a factor ...
Yes. Also size.
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That's why I'm still baffled by how the heck the EA CXL112 does what it does. It goes very deep and very flat for the box size, while retaining similar efficiency to a ported cab. They say it's based on TL design, but I don't understand how they can fit a line of useful length in that box size, so I wonder if that's really what it is. I do'nt know how it compares to their other models because I haven't played through any of them except the CXL110, but that 112 still amazes me. It did cost an arm and a leg though, relative to other 112 cabs. And I'm not crazy about the tweeter.
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Most of what people assume to be "bass" frequencies are typically low midrange from 100Hz-250Hz. Eden's old XLT cabs were popular because they had an enormous low mid response but very little true bass. Anything below 60Hz is perceived as feeling more than audio (we hear the harmonic intervals of ground loops interacting with analog audio more than the actual sine-wave of a 60 Hz, AC power's modulation in the US and 50Hz in other countries); literally we feel lows better than we hear them, so most cabinets sound "flat" or "natural" so long as they keep a relatively modest low midrange bloom and transition into upper bass frequencies. A truly bass accurately tuned 1x12" would be little more than a subwoofer. Another side effect of increased bass response is a psychoacoustic perception of corresponding added upper midrange, and why most "loud" EQ presets also boost the extreme high frequencies in order for the more apparent (the actual amount of high mid output is unchanged) to not make sibiliance frequencies seem diminished. The tweeter in your EA most likely has a "low" frequency response that overlaps with the clearer upper mids from having a bigger bottom and this can make the driver sound "harsh."
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I am very familiar with the Eden XLT-210, used to own one. It was loud as hell at low G and dropped off like a rock down to low E, which drove me nuts.
And I have learned to hear the difference between low-mids and true fundamentals in 40-80Hz range. (For years I played gear that had effectively no response down there, so this is relatively new to me, like last 10 years or so.)
The EA CXL-112 is quite different. Not a very scientific test as I didn't have an anechoic chamber or measurement mics, and relied on my biased ear and brain, but I did on one occasion play a synth set to a sine wave through it and listen for notes that appeared to be louder or softer. Unless there was a lot of harmonic distortion going on, that should have given me pretty pure fundamentals. It sounded pretty damn even to my ears right down to low E and beyond (I forget how far). I tried the same thing on some other cabs that were around and the results were pretty comical. We had a Schroeder 1210 and an old Hartke 115 and an Acme B-1 and I forget what else lying around. The Acme was very smooth too, the others were all over the place, each in its own way.
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As to the EA CXL112L tweeter... I'm not sure if it's the horn (unusually large for a bass cab), the driver, the crossover, the transition between the horn and the 12, or all of the above; but what I hear is the upper mids are rather forward to the point of being a bit obnoxious. If it weren't for that, I could happily listen to CDs through it, or use it as a PA cab. I've certainly heard a lot of worse PA cabs. For bass, I usually turn the tweeter pad most of the way down.
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I am very familiar with the Eden XLT-210, used to own one. It was loud as hell at low G and dropped off like a rock down to low E, which drove me nuts.
And I have learned to hear the difference between low-mids and true fundamentals in 40-80Hz range. (For years I played gear that had effectively no response down there, so this is relatively new to me, like last 10 years or so.)
I wasn't slamming your EA cab or your hearing, just speaking about bass cab design and use in general. I've heard nothing but good things about EA but have only played a 2x8 cab, IIRC, from them years ago that I found very impressive, like an original SWR Baby Blue combo. That cabinet didn't have much in the way of extreme lows but was very tight and even across the range it did cover and a great onstage bass cabinet for PA's with subs to handle the bottom for players using the PA for bass. I generally don't, but I have engineered for shows with players who did and the PA handled the bottom while the smaller cabinet provided stage volume that worked well with it. Your own experience with what was once considered the industry standard of bass cabs, the Eden XLT, demonstrates that you had to train your ear to what your bass cabs were actually doing and once you did, it was eye opening. Most bass players don't and other cabinets are designed for volume or attention rather than even tone.
We had a Schroeder 1210 and an old Hartke 115 and an Acme B-1 and I forget what else lying around. The Acme was very smooth too, the others were all over the place, each in its own way.
I have an Acme Series 1 4x10 and it is my benchmark for good tight, lows and it has both a midrange driver and tweeter, which I do attenuate using the selectors on the back. Most of my cabinets have a very similar inherent tonality to it, especially old SVT coffin cabinets, which are just as deep in reach, not as efficient in the bottom, but louder overall. Every post-1986 SVT is a different story, very little deep bottom at all. Ironically, my least low-end friendly cabs all are based around 15" drivers, which most people associate with low end: my Traynor YBA-1A 2x15 and Marshall JCM800 4x15, but the 2x12's I have, including my Bag End subs used as instrument cabs without the processor, have a great low end. I don't really care for "modern" bass tone since my attack is very hard and midrange-heavy already. I unhooked the horn in my Nemesis 8x10 because it made a great sounding bottom horrible in the upper mids and without it, the cabinet is plenty present already. I know when it was made, it was supposed to be a "budget" alternative to then-current 8x10's, including its upmarket brother the Eden XLT 810 and Ampeg's big ported 8x10's (discontinued when Loud bought them) and SVT 8x10's, but it has a better low end and smoother response than all of them. A perfect example of what I meant by true bass response making a 12" driver less responsive are my Ernie Ball 2x12's which have a midrange driver as a well as a horn and unlike most similarly equipped cabinets, the midrange driver and horn are not there to make the cabinet "extra present;" they just even out the mids leaving the 12's to focus on low end.
As to the EA CXL112L tweeter... I'm not sure if it's the horn (unusually large for a bass cab), the driver, the crossover, the transition between the horn and the 12, or all of the above; but what I hear is the upper mids are rather forward to the point of being a bit obnoxious. If it weren't for that, I could happily listen to CDs through it, or use it as a PA cab. I've certainly heard a lot of worse PA cabs. For bass, I usually turn the tweeter pad most of the way down.
It sounds like you like the same tone I do. Electro Voice's old SX series of molded 1x12 PA cabs, including the powered 1x12 subwoofer make nice bass practice cabinets and seem to have been designed around a similar philosophy, one that has been disregarded with more modern PA designs, most of which are powered, which favor overall volume and electronic tonal adjustment rather than even response. If you ever get a chance to compare one of the regular SX200 or SX300 PA cabs to your EA CX112L, I'll bet that they are similar sounding with your EA having a better bottom and more forward midrange. Before my health went, I was designing an 8x12 based on the SVT coffin but having more volume and bottom.
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More volume than an 810 coffin? :o
I only gigged through a (borrowed) vintage SVT head and coffin rig once. Not sure of the era, but it looked pretty old. Small club. I liked it, but I had to really restrain myself. My poor bandmates :)
If I was ever looking for a new, large rig, I would probably look into sealed cabs. Space is at a premium though. Having a family in Brooklyn doesn't leave a lot of room for gear!
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I am very familiar with the Eden XLT-210, used to own one. It was loud as hell at low G and dropped off like a rock down to low E, which drove me nuts.
And I have learned to hear the difference between low-mids and true fundamentals in 40-80Hz range. (For years I played gear that had effectively no response down there, so this is relatively new to me, like last 10 years or so.)
The EA CXL-112 is quite different. Not a very scientific test as I didn't have an anechoic chamber or measurement mics, and relied on my biased ear and brain, but I did on one occasion play a synth set to a sine wave through it and listen for notes that appeared to be louder or softer. Unless there was a lot of harmonic distortion going on, that should have given me pretty pure fundamentals. It sounded pretty damn even to my ears right down to low E and beyond (I forget how far). I tried the same thing on some other cabs that were around and the results were pretty comical. We had a Schroeder 1210 and an old Hartke 115 and an Acme B-1 and I forget what else lying around. The Acme was very smooth too, the others were all over the place, each in its own way.
The EA is a TL. As such it does not suffer from the same amount of cabinet resonance issues as a sealed or bass reflex cab would; the backwave is mostly nullified in terms of it's detrimental effects both in this regard as well as other distortions (e.g. the backwave bouncing back to hit the cone - this also doesn't happen in a TL, or happens a lot less). This is one of the reasons I love them so dang much (and why guitards love open backs - similar benefit, just at the cost of bass response in that case).
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More volume than an 810 coffin?
...says the guy with four 8x10's, two 2x15's and a 4x15. I believe in volume, from ME. If I was running FOH for myself with a big PA, I would still be that way, at least for a loud rock band. The idea was actually to have better low end at lower volume since the 12"s would be moving more air and have lower innate resonance. Hearing just how low and loud my Bag End 2x12's get let me know that it wasn't a dumb idea. I started volume calculations based on a then-available 32 ohm 12" with a 3" voice coil from Weber which was discontinued when Ted died. Any other speaker manufacturer would consider a 32 ohm 12" with a decent X-mech, Q, and V-min a custom order and I'd be in for a huge amount of money just in drivers. That was a long time ago and life has been very rough in the interim so it never got past planning.
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Here's my rig from last Saturday night's gig with the Stones tribute (the Ampegs are all hollow props, BTW)...
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202015/Burwood%20RSL/IMG_0218_zpscdotsff5.jpg)
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I've used this on my last 2 trips to the studio. 70s Ampeg B-15. Sounds really great! I've been using the 4001CS strung with flats for some of the stuff I record for Michelle Cross. For my own stuff, it's my black Ric, now with Alembic pups and pre.
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My early 80's live rig was a 4001 and a B-15...it sounded wonderful...I just mic'd with an SM 57...
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My early 80's live rig was a 4001 and a B-15...it sounded wonderful...I just mic'd with an SM 57...
Hard to go wrong with that rig!
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Love that CS!
Here's my latest rig ;D
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/amps/thr5-1.jpg)
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THR10? It must work okay for bass if you're using it.
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THR10? It must work okay for bass if you're using it.
This is the THR5. I got it for guitar, and just wanted something small and easy to schlep around the house for practice. It sounds decent for what it is, and I like the 'Brit Hi' amp model best... responds nicely to volume knob changes - from a warm clean, to dirty overdrive.
For bass practice, I just picked this little rig up off Craigslist ;D
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/amps/Ag2.jpg)
I had bought the Genz head from Andy ~6 months ago, and was prowling around for a set of DB-112s to run with it. This complete Aguilar rig just showed up locally with the TH500 head, and at a really fair price - so I grabbed the whole setup to try out.
Still wanting to unload my GK MB-212 and pick up a road case for the Genz. This will be the new gig-rig for a while...
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I LIKE that rig! Between the Genz and those cabs, it ought to sound great - and it breaks down into portable pieces.
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That Genz is a great head!! I'm betting you will love that combination!
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I LIKE that rig! Between the Genz and those cabs, it ought to sound great - and it breaks down into portable pieces.
I'm kinda going back to the heavyweights here, but in smaller, more manageable chunks :)
I'm gonna hook the Genz up later and try that out with these cabs... but I've been putzing around with that little Aggie head this evening, and I'm impressed. Man this thing packs a serious wallop! Tight punchy low end that kicks you in the gut, great warmth, and it dirties up nicely.
First impressions are good. Look forward to getting it into rehearsal and live settings to see how it does there.
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From the little Yamaha to the big rig, you must have it all covered.
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A guitarist friend wanted to record a few instrumental covers and I used this rig in the studio a week ago. Sounded good.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/Kuva0995.jpg)
non-rev, LAB L4 & Hartke w/15" EV:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/str.mp3 (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/str.mp3)
P-bass, Hiwatt & the same cab:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/cweal.mp3 (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/cweal.mp3)
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Maiden voyage of the little Aggie rig last night. That thing sounds INCREDIBLE!!! So much headroom, and I was so happy with the tone I was able to get from it.
I had intentions to A/B the TH500 and Genz, but I ended up just running the TH the entire night. Left the pedalboard home too - ended up finding a 3U rack so I can still run my old DBX166. The only other efx I use is a hint of overdrive at times, but the drive control on the TH works so well I don't even need a pedal.
Lucked out on that setup too, thanks to Nokturnal tipping me off. Got a deep discount via a local CL deal on it, and was able to flip my GK 212 to narrow that gap even further. Happy happy happy. Based on this experience, I don't think I'll ever drag the old Orange+SVT rig out of the house again either, and so I'll probably try to move that after the holidays.
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/amps/1204152048.jpg)
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non-rev, LAB L4 & Hartke w/15" EV:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/str.mp3 (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/str.mp3)
P-bass, Hiwatt & the same cab:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/cweal.mp3 (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/cweal.mp3)
By the way, Pekka, these excerpts sound great! I love to hear more if you have that stuff on soundcloud or something...
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My gig rig and a couple of P Basses (82 Fullerton 57 RI and 73). The P Basses aren't getting much of a look in since I got my Greco TBird.
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Typical stage layout
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By the way, Pekka, these excerpts sound great! I love to hear more if you have that stuff on soundcloud or something...
Thanks! Sorry, I don't have more and the guy who's session it was hasn't decided yet what to do with the tapes. It was more of a rehearsal for further recordings of original material.
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My new hybrid Bassman head with my Neo 610 cab
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202016/IMG_20160213_175012_zpsebqfr3qd.jpg)
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A picture from the studio after I cleaned up. I think it looked better with empty beer bottles and cables strewn about.
(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n614/tlkroon/studio_zpssnar0gm0.jpg) (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/tlkroon/media/studio_zpssnar0gm0.jpg.html)
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A picture from the studio after I cleaned up. I think it looked better with empty beer bottles and cables strewn about.
Yep; that 'lived-in' look.
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A picture from the studio after I cleaned up. I think it looked better with empty beer bottles and cables strewn about.
Nice. What's in the Ampeg cab at left?
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My rig hasn't changed ina decade, but I did just build a new pedalboard (anticipating an influx of new pedals; got a stack of projects sitting on my bench). The old one was getting crowded.
Looking at other DIY jobs around the net I saw a lot of cool stuff _ second half tiers and integrated patchbays.... the problem was it was all large, clunky and not very portable looking (I suppose if you're humping around a Marshall full stack, or 2 half stacks, what's the diff, right?). So I had to come up with my own thing. Also, just to make it harder, I wanted to not buy any new materials at all. So that's why the hardware doesn't all match (the break-away hinges are actually off my very first pedalboard). The wood is cedar that was reclaimed from the A/V loft at my old venue/studio (and in turn was left over from my Dad's deck rebuild project).
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/ce1f31bed60e8b240696cbb3a2c6ecfc/tumblr_o11uyhEJRd1unxz8do1_540.jpg)
(http://56.media.tumblr.com/4a5638b1eef6cce719b08f9833ac63f5/tumblr_o11uyhEJRd1unxz8do2_400.jpg)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/4bfda3e209efe4e7840111fea1bcb05f/tumblr_o11uyhEJRd1unxz8do3_1280.jpg)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/c4f0034f7ddea00b2a830b2351aef55d/tumblr_o11uyhEJRd1unxz8do4_540.jpg)
Anyway, those pedals are spread out to take up the space a but, but I can scrunch in almost twice as many (I build them with the I/O on the top side). Sorry about the mess in the studio.
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Nice. What's in the Ampeg cab at left?
That's the original 1973 810 SVT cabinet. The original owner (a band from Atlanta that briefly had a deal/toured but never did too much) spray painted the grill cloth black so it looks more modern than it should. Sounds great though! ;D
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Huh, maybe it's the perspective or something, I was somehow thinking it was too short to be an 810. Bet it sounds nice.
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i'm from atlanta. what band are you talking about.
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Yeah, I was backed in to a corner with my cell phone to take the picture so Im sure the perspective was a little "off". Its an amazing amp, still has what appear to be original tubes (or could easily be older replacements). Speakers have been reconed I think though.
(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n614/tlkroon/svt_zpsnljes6tk.jpg) (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/tlkroon/media/svt_zpsnljes6tk.jpg.html)
The band was Fortnox. They actually had some airplay on MTV in the early 80s and had one record I think? I thought i read once that a couple of them were still playing around ATL/Athens.
(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n614/tlkroon/svt2_zpszk4rcceq.jpg) (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/tlkroon/media/svt2_zpszk4rcceq.jpg.html)
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(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/terrygovan/IMG_0565_zpsyajpjrzm.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/terrygovan/media/IMG_0565_zpsyajpjrzm.jpg.html) Cheapo head but the cabs are my DIY's. Never used them all at once but I could!
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nice work!
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Thank you nofi!!
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Typical stage layout
(http://i64.tinypic.com/21dpq91.jpg)
I'm intrigued what the tall stand is on stage right of the drumkit? they are electronic drums so not an overhead mic, but also too far away for a drummer to sing into
what is it?
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Cymbals look 'real' - my guess is mono overhead.
Also, welcome Govan, always nice to have a nother speaker DIYer in the house. So tell me about those cabs; looks like 2 sealed on the wings but the vertical stack looks like maybe not just straight up bass reflex. Love the snakeskin highlights (generally solid tolex job all around).
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Thanks for the kind words Granny Gremlin!! Yeah, the brown cabs are also ported but I used flared tubes on those so the grill cloth covers them.The 3 bottom ones are 1x15's the top white one is 4x10 no hf drivers in these cabs but I am doing 2x10 cabs to go w/ the brown cabs that will have x-overs and horns.Ilike to mix it up w/ tolex,the back panels are always two-tone.The drivers are all Eminence,Legends. bp102-10"and the 15's are cb158's.(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/terrygovan/IMG_0348_zpsljibvjxk.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/terrygovan/media/IMG_0348_zpsljibvjxk.jpg.html)(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/terrygovan/IMG_0441_zpsdapp0prx.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/terrygovan/media/IMG_0441_zpsdapp0prx.jpg.html)(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/terrygovan/IMG_0547_zpsdbv7fnsr.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/terrygovan/media/IMG_0547_zpsdbv7fnsr.jpg.html)(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/terrygovan/IMG_0293_zps7nomerin.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/terrygovan/media/IMG_0293_zps7nomerin.jpg.html)
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Very nice looking cabs there, Govan.
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Thanks Dave!!
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I'll play...here's my "loud" one...it's a face-melter...
Ampeg SVP-Pro
Crown XLS 1500
Aguilar GS 412
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah170/mofugly/Aguilar%20GS412%20Cab_zpst7iywugo.jpg)
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Whoa..bet you can feel that in the back row!!
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I now have a Neo 115 to go with my Neo 610 and Bassman 500 ....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202016/IMG_20160319_194220_zpsoztyf3df.jpg)
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Classic rig w/ that Gibson bass...just awesome!! ;D
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Well, I got me that Sunn 1200s; think I did OK pricewise. Cosmetically it doesn't get much better than this (the bit of shmutz on the grille is the worst thing). Operationally everything works, but the usual minor issues apply (reverb is noisey - probably needs a new driver tube; preamp seems to dirty up too early and fart out hard on transients with the mid boost on - didn't take it past 4 - again looking at an old 12AX7 here or maybe someone tried to hot rod it for hi gain so they wouldn't have to crank it so much.... or maybe power tubes - looks like maybe the original 6550s in there; no labeling). There was some weird intermittent noise but think it was mostly due to the mid boost switch being dirty - working that back and forth seems to have got rid of it for the moment. The trem is nice and tight (solid state) and might actually be useful for bass; nice wob wob thing to it, without muddying things up. This amp is considerably darker than my Garnet. The mid boost is actually in a really cool spot for bass use (and must make geetars sound really muddy - especially Les Pauls and the like). Can't quite get a feel for what the contour knob does.
(https://67.media.tumblr.com/7e08dbb4d11d586c81bebdef489cb2d7/tumblr_o74hwsjS9J1unxz8do1_540.jpg)
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I`m dissabpointed that it`s that touch longer then my Musicman 115RH cab, but tickled that the grille cloth matches as well as it does.
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Granny that's a good score!
When you look in the back see if the trans are riveted and confirm that they are tight.
On the early Sunn stuff (not sure about the 1200's) they were prone to working loose and causing a mess.
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This is a transitionary period one - still has sockets for 2 rectifier tubes but there's a solid state module plugged in (to one of them; othjer unused) and the output transformer has 8 and 4 ohm taps vs the earlier 16 and 8. Quite sure that I saw the Txs were bolted on, but I will double-check that; thanks.
Considering some mods: half power switch to kill 2 of 4 power tubes (for guitar use or quieter practice) and ss vs tube rectifier switch (the ss rectifier module will have to go; mount a diode bridge inside the chassis using the unused pins of the rectifier sockets as turretboard). But we'll see how I feel once she's in proper functional shape.
Actually starting to worry that I need a new set of power tubes - a quad of KT88s aint cheap.
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Like the idea of a power dropper on this head.
Maybe just because.....but it's a good idea.
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Yeah, especially since thing thing is f***loud even with 1 bad power tube - I took them in to a local Hippie hifi repair guy who has a Mercury tube tester. All of them test surprisingly strong but 1 lit up both the gas and short lights. .... off to the classifieds I go.
Also didn't realise before purchase that the phase splitter is a 6AN8 - dammit, those things cost 2x whatr a 12A_7 does just because they're out of prod. Ah well.
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This is the one most fondly remembered. Had to sell it off some 25 years ago .......
(http://myalbum.com/photo/5Uw1XsGXMhTe/720.jpg)
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Sold the amp to a good buddy of mine so sometimes I can still use it when I play in one of his projects ....
(http://myalbum.com/photo/BQZPdFGHAphf/720.jpg)
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So, I rolled out my new lightweight rig today. A Mesa Prodigy sitting on top of two custom-built 1x12" speakers. (Using those Genz-Benz Faitals that Avatar was selling a while back.) Played a Fender Performer bass, an instrument I, once again, thank you guys for calling to my attention.
It sounded righteous to my ears and to a few others who commented.
But between song four and five, there was a big noise, like an explosion. I thought the lead guitarist was fooling around. Nope, is was the Mesa.
Bought used, but still under warranty, though I'll pop the lid tonight and see if I can figure out what happened.
Thankfully, like many of you, I bring a backup amp. A wise decision. Back in action after a one minute delay.
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Dang. Glad you had a backup!
I hope the Mesa is repairable.
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Oof. Hope it's not an expensive repair.
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My nastiest meltdown was mid 70's on my only Sound City... the transformer went up in a shower of sparks, and that was that...
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Sorry about the Mesa.
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Thanks guys. With that warranty I'm not really concerned. But, thanks to "scheduling issues" with my wife, I never popped off the cover before hailing it down to the local Mesa dealer today.
I'm sitting here thinking "I've got a pile of tubes in my music room. Why didn't I swap 'em all out first?" Am I that friggin old? Ay Caramba!!
But I will say, that Mesa sounded really nice, while it worked. I paid just over $1000 for a compact tube amp. NIce form, nice sound. Not bad. I was surprised. Until the explosion!
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My nastiest meltdown was mid 70's on my only Sound City... the transformer went up in a shower of sparks, and that was that...
A bad experience.
I had a Sunn Coliseum slave in a mega-rig blow up back then .... man that really stank. Transformers don't burn up well.
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I was surprised. Until the explosion!
I would have thought that that came as a bit of a surprise too ;P
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So, the amp tech called me today. Nothing wrong that he could find. All tubes tested fine.
The only way he could get the amp to fail was fooling around with the effects out jack. He cleaned it and told me just to run the amp for a while to confirm all is well. So good news all around.
But this is not the first time I've been told that an effects send jack may be problematic and that you should at least plug into it now and then to clean it? He said something about them being a "cut off jack" or something.
What's the deal with that?
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He probably means a shorting jack aka switched jack or normalled jack - when nothing is plugged into it the leaf spring inside makes contact with an alt output tab (which is connected to a similar alt output on the return jack, also shorting, usually so that when nothing is plugged into the loop, signal bypasses the jacks to the next amp stage).
Glad the tech says it's OK.
a regular mono jack:
(http://elderly.com/images/accessories/GEPT/EB6324.jpg)
Shorting/switched/normalled:
(http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10PbSIFXXXXbkXVXXq6xXFXXXp/6-35mm-1-4-Mono-female-jack-with-switch-socket-panel-adapter.jpg)
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Thanks!!!
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What the heck, here's some Sunn:
(http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac202/DMaynardNelson/2015-08-21%2014.54.07-1_zpsl0e8fjz3.jpg)
Currently in the process of stripping an re-tolexing the cab on the left, as well as prepping a DIY 2000s cab for tolex.
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Methinks I see many JBL silver cones in there.....
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Dammit you very well outfitted bastard.
I did just aquire this 1200s about 2 months ago and forgot to post about it here (probably because the pic sux; been meaning to get some better snaps but too lazy to move the rig out in the hall).
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/d31b7d48e354dced60a47108fbd61436/tumblr_o74hwsjS9J1unxz8do2_1280.jpg)
Old rig was that Garnet into the badgeless Musicman 115RH on the bottom - changed the original Eminence speaker out for an EV SP15a, which I loved. Got the Sunn and was worried that the EV could not take the power (on paper, less than half). Tried a vintage Altec 421 but it definitely couldn't take the power (maybe a newer one would; power handling increased over the years from about 75 to 150 watts) - it got a bit farty on me and the metal dome accentuated pick attack in an irritating way (more so than I recall with JBLs). Oddly enough, I loved the 421 with the Garnet (still with the pick noise, but not as bad; overall a better match) - tried it just to see. Ended up switching the Altec out for another EV - some random PA midbass similar to an EVM 15 (same frame/motor structure) - not as much top end as the SP15a, but can definitely take the power and it is a much better match for the Sunn tonally - pretty magical actually. Love this rig. Headroom for days - I haven't been able to turn it up past 3-4 on the preamp gain (no master).
The reverb is a bit radio-fi but strong (the springs on the tank lock for transport with a simple lever - something I have never seen before - no boing boing in the trunk when driving to the gig) and the trem is subtle but very usable (solid state optical module in an otherwise all tube amp.... the 2 rectifier tubes have been replaced with an octal plug in diode bridge module).
As I said to my bandmates - kinda annoyed that the head turned out to be about an inch wider than my cab, but tickled that the grille cloth matches (almost).
Ignore that smaller cab between the Sunn and the Musicman, that's just a mid-high fill cab I made (2 x 5" mids + 2 x horn tweeters) that I used to run parallel with the Musicman 15 off the Garnet to use it as fullrange PA (vocals and/or music playback). ... but yes that is a Sunn hi freq horn cab on top of the Traynor PA Column (4x12; dumped the original Marslands for an EV + Black Widow + 2 passive radiators I had a local recone guy make for me out of the Marsland frames; there's a bolt through the dustcap so I can throw extra washers on for weight to tune the response). Matching Column and Sunn horn on the other side of the room out of frame. Used to be the PA for my indie venue; it kicked.
The new Sunn deserves better pics; will get to that eventually. Maybe by then I'll have my tall style 4x12 loaded up and ready.
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Here's my Sunn 2000s. DMN makes me wish I had a few more!
(http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o632/4stringer77/Sunnamp_zpskplk8iq9.jpg) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/4stringer77/media/Sunnamp_zpskplk8iq9.jpg.html)
Recently started playing with a metal band. Typical two guitarists playing through 100 watt Mesa or Marshall half stacks. Thought about bringing the Sunn to the rehearsal space but feel bad about subjecting the old girl to such a brutal workout. Any suggestions as to what would be a good modern amp to contend in such a situation? Maybe a GK 1001 RB?
There's also a stencil that someone attempted to wash off on the back of the cab.
(http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o632/4stringer77/freeamp_zpsl6vekgso.jpg) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/4stringer77/media/freeamp_zpsl6vekgso.jpg.html)
Wonder if Andy Fraser or Tetsu Yamauchi used this amp.
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I'd suggest one of the higher-end (new) Genzler or (used) Genz-Benz amps like a ShuttleMax with an appropriate cab. There's a ShuttleMax 12.0 at TB for $650. Output can vary from 375W to 1200W peak, depending on the ohm load you use with it.
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OMG, nice Sunn rig! Which reminds me - I totally forgot to post mine. But before we get to that, I don't think anything can replace one of these beauts - nothing will compete with those MArshall rigfs without having to sacrifice bottom like the larger Sunns. 120 watts is a serious understatement (especially if ss vs tube rectified) - my 1200s (same amp + trem and verb) pushes 200 watt speakers to the limits of their comfort zone. There was a 2000s on reverb for US999 that I was considering because the price was too damn good, but I hesitated cause that's a lot of cash for me to drop on what is essentially a spare,and someone else grabbed it.
Anyway:
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/50cc9b4acaff13a2998262ac3be575a6/tumblr_og2mkcWjCD1unxz8do1_1280.jpg)
Finished my guitar/bass dual use rig. That Riviera (Pepco stencil brand) 4x12 (actually rather well built for a budget cab of that vintage - not chipboard) has been loaded with 2 each JBL D120f and EV Force 12 and lined/stuffed with that insulation made from recycled jeans. I am thinking I need to swap out the JBLs, because the cab is now too heavy for me to lift (I put recessed corner castors on one side for tilt and roll, but stairs etc - why it's on the bottom in the pic.... in use I wouldn’t stack them like this at all).
The other cab is me old badgeless Musicman 115RH (actually very similar to the Sunn 2x15s the 2000s came with, or more aptly the 1x15s the smaller bass heads of the same era did, which are also reflex horns) with an EV speaker in it. I would love to replace it with a 1x15 Sunn but they didn't make very many in this width and we rarely get Sunn cabs up this way (there's one in Montreal I was going to get my little brother who lives there now to grab for me, but it looks like it's one of the skinnier ones for the 200s, 190b and 300b heads).
The cabs mate really well, for either G or B and gives some tonal choice depending on which I decide to run. For gigging (not 6 bangin in any group currently) I'll probably only use the 15, but the 4x12 really worked out nice for bass I just don't want to move it. With guitar it covers anything from doom metal girth to shoegaze noise fx abusing sparkle. The top end isn't icepicky at all (I was a bit concerned; have had JBLs before), but actually pretty sweet - I suspect due to being well complemented by the EVs. For bass it gives the dynamics and cut you don't get from a 15 alone, and solo, a cool grungy 60s Brit bass tone; Scott would approve.
Currently in the jam space I have it set up stereo, one cab on either side of the drummer and that is gonna be really neat for some live-off-the-floor recording.
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Thanks for the tip on the genz benz. I might still give the Sunn a shot GG, yet I still wonder what Psycho Bass Guy would do.
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I'd suggest one of the higher-end (new) Genzler or (used) Genz-Benz amps like a ShuttleMax with an appropriate cab. There's a ShuttleMax 12.0 at TB for $650. Output can vary from 375W to 1200W peak, depending on the ohm load you use with it.
The ShuttleMax 12 is actually 2 600 watt amps. To get 1200 watts you have to use two 4 ohm cabs. I have a ShuttleMax 12.2 and I love it. Only ever used it with one cab though.
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My main rig is My Traynor YBA200-2 tube head played through a Ampeg 810E. I also have a SWR Triad cab that I use with my Traynor and an old 69 Ampeg BT-25.
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I've gone stereo (at jams only - not lugging all that to gigs) since the studio got a little Sunnier.
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/cede70438093fade8a196cc6aadfc795/tumblr_or0z5hKwOV1unxz8do1_1280.jpg)
So that's the same Sunn 1200s with MM 115RH on the left (the other, head-sized cab between them I don't use for bass) and a new to me Sunn Solaris (essentially the same as the 1200s but half the power) driving my slightly less new to me Riviera [sic] tall style 4x12 with a pair each of Weber Neomag 12s (best JBL D120 clone; I have compared them side by side; not like the earlier Weber Toneclones with stamped frames, these are proper cast jobbies; all the tone, half the weight) and Faital 12PR300s (highly recommended FYI - Sound better than the JBls or EVs for bass; a tad dark for guitar; Avatar has a great deal on these while supplies last - they bought out some old stock a while back). I changed them out from an actual pair of JBLs and a pair of EVs (as I had it a few posts up) because it was so heavy I couldn't lift it up the studio stairs. Much better now.
The PA horns are also Sunn and I feel like a tit that I cut off the left one in this pic.
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Thanks for the input on the speakers. Reminded me to check if I should buy a spare one of those Faitals.
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Figure I'd update. I need to grab some 4x12 or a 6x12 for the Masrhall, though it sounds great through the JBLs as well.
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Not seen a no-entry sign here before...?
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Did some say Marshall? :mrgreen: I cant see your pics for some reason DMN but this was my workhorse for around a decade. I had it paired with a pair of 2x15s and loved it. The cabinets are long gone sadly but I kept the head for studio use. My days of lugging a tube amp out to bars are over I think.
(http://i.imgur.com/94Oya27.jpg) (https://imgur.com/94Oya27)
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Since I stopped gigging 5 years ago I thought that I would revisit my first rig.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/qqa73b.jpg)
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Solid!
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My first bass head , many years ago was a Marshall . When GK started to appear I picked up an RB400 , and that little thing was bulletproof .
These days I have a modular rig . Two Bergantino lightweight cabs , a HDN112 and 210 . I can use them individually or bring 'em both if things might require extra volume . And I have two main heads ( and some others tucked away) . A GenzBenz Streamliner ( just sent off to get a checkup) and a Bergantino Forte . The Liner has a three tube pre and can do that warm dark thing , the Berg is transparent and hifi clean . And despite being very different I love em both . Lightweight cabs and two Class D powerhouses . Mix and match .
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I've long been curious about Bergantino cabs, how do you like them Morrow?
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My first Bergantino was a NV115 . It was the best sounding 15 I had ever heard . Blew me away , and then I started looking into the other Bergs . I decided to change course and go modular , and picked up a HDN 112 and 210 , sold the 15 . I can do many gigs with a single cab , and I bounce between them . The 12 does give a little more depth , the tens do that tight focus on a small stage , and together they're deadly . A little pricey , but I smile every time I pick one up . I'm a believer . The two cab approach works best for me .
I usually play mid sized rooms in Halifax . My stage sound does the room , generally only vocals and horns are into the PA , so I gotta fill the room without getting too loud . If we find a good stage mix , we figure the room sound is good . Together they easily cover outdoor big stages too . They really do the job . Something I've noticed with other cabs is that after a certain volume they are not so articulate , so you turn up more to hear yourself better . With the Bergs I can hear what I'm doing better and probably am playing at a lower volume . They have punch , and focus . They do loud , and they sound gorgeous at a lower volume .
So I'm hauling stuff in and out and sticking it in the car . I'm just a blue collar musician . Playing bars . But I appreciate something that's beautifully designed and works . The Bergs have certainly upped my game .
I was initially using an older GenzBenz head with them . Nice Class D , 900 watts . I was so impressed with the cabs I eventually bought a Bergantino head . And yes , it's a gorgeous head . Once again , I'm a believer ...
And I like how Jim Bergantino is active on amp forums . It's not a big corporation , but they seem to be doing quite well . He seems responsive to his clientele . And it seems that just about everyone that tries his gear falls in love with it .
Guilty
What cabs are you using slinkp ,what kind of rooms are you playing , and what amps are you using ? There's been a bunch of other boutique cab makers that seem to be hitting their stride too . AudioKenesis , Barefaced , Genzler , Aguilar . All seem to be putting out exceptional product . And Mesa , GK , MarkBass , Ampeg will all do too .
It's funny , I bought my first Berg , fell in love , and then decided on some other ones to suit my needs a little better .
Even recently bought a Bergantino touque for Herself !
I tried one , then bought the farm ...
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Morrow - at one point pre-COVID I was thinking about a bigger cab rig, and that's when I was eyeing the Bergantinos. I think they used to make a sealed 215 and I was really wanting one of those for a minute. But realistically I gig so rarely and storage space is tight here in Brooklyn, and so I will probably stick with what I have for a good long while.
I've been using this setup for over a decade now: a Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.0 into a mismatched pair of older Euphonic Audio cabs - a CXL110 on top of a CXL112. It's pretty portable. While there are lighter cabs around now, but the low end on these EA cabs is amazing - super smooth and tight, no boomy notes and no dead notes. The 110 on its own is pretty quiet and the 112 on its own is maybe enough for a band setting, but when I stack them, the combination is great for me. I've played outdoor back yard parties with this rig without any PA reinforcement for the bass, so I was providing low end for the whole band - and felt like I had plenty of volume and low end to spare.
Occasionally (pre-pandemic) my band would play in bars, usually with PA, and in those situations I'll find out what backline the club has and if it's something I know is not terrible, I would often just show up with my head (to use as a preamp) and my bass.
I need a better rig photo but here:
(http://slinkp.com/pages/bass/gear/amp_salad_20130928_195004.jpg)
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That's a serious little rig ! EA cabs are legend . The guy that designed the Shuttle amps still services them . I just sent him a Streamliner to check out . Flat rate of $85 + shipping and a 48 hour turnaround . Unless someone who was not qualified has been in your amp ...
Then it might be more for him to fix up previous work .
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I see similarities in our preferences. I have a G-B Shuttle 6.2 and normally play it through a single Shuttle T12. I also have a Shuttle T2x10, and although it sounds great to use both together, for most of my gigs (thinking back to last year when I was actually playing gigs) using both cabs was like killing a fly with an elephant gun. I just didn't need the second cab.
In a fit of ambition, a year ago I picked up a G-B NEOX 2x12, which sounds fantastic. I am grateful that it comes with handles and rollers, which makes it a lot easier to move around at 55 lbs., but it's still no lightweight. It's also overkill for my typical gigs, so it will probably stay in the basement until someone wants me to play a large venue or louder outdoor show.
(https://i.imgur.com/zStfXRj.jpg)
Here's the Shuttle 6.2 on the NEOX...and yes, the rat fur on the side has been torn up a bit, but that saved me a lot of $$ when I bought the cabinet...
(https://i.imgur.com/tK80JU4.jpg)
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I heard great things about those GB cabs but have never seen or heard one in person!
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Here's my Frankencombo. It began life as an Acoustic B200. The amp eventually went up in smoke, so I pulled the chassis, bought a used GB 900 and slid it in between two pieces of 1/2'' etha foam. Perfect fit! And it's easy to remove if I want. I had an old Pelican case at work that is a perfect fit for the head. It's a cool little amp, but very lacking in high end. I swapped out the stock speaker for an EVM 15L, and I still have to dime the treble, even with a Tech 21 VT Bass DI in front of it. I need to experiment with different tubes some day. The previous owner put these in there:
V1 = NOS Jan Phillips 5751
V2 = JJ ECC83
V3 = Tungsol 12AX7
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There's an epic thread on Talkbass about tube rolling Liners .
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/genz-benz-streamliner-tube-rolling.796088/#post-11294670
Never noticed any lack of treble but I usually aim for an old school thump .
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There's an epic thread on Talkbass about tube rolling Liners .
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/genz-benz-streamliner-tube-rolling.796088/#post-11294670
Never noticed any lack of treble but I usually aim for an old school thump .
Unless it has dramatically improved in the past few years, Talkbass is hardly a reliable reference for technical info on tubes. Years ago it was a valuable resource and then they started their pay to play posting for advertisers and the shills took over completely.
Completely unrelated, for you big Bergie fans, Bergantino has discontinued the NV412 and is blowing them out factory direct. I'd love to have one but finances and room don't allow for it.
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There's an epic thread on Talkbass about tube rolling Liners .
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/genz-benz-streamliner-tube-rolling.796088/#post-11294670
Never noticed any lack of treble but I usually aim for an old school thump .
I usually try to avoid promoting my business on this forum,
but feel free to pm me tube questions. If anyone from LBO is looking for exotic preamp tubes to try out, I stock most thinkable types NOS and current production. Most business to business but of course I ship to LBO'ers anytime.
And I'm not offended if Dave removes this post :)
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Bergantino has discontinued so many gorgeous cabs in their efforts to improve and streamline the product line .
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Two different gigs last weekend , Friday , with some old friends that were a house band for years . Two guitar players , that can get a little loud . Jump , swing , surf , and some odd instrumentals ( killer version of Goldfinger) used my Forte with both cabs . Berg HDN 112 and 210 . Mid sized room , not in the PA . It was deadly .
For the Sunday jam I decided to try out my little GK MB 200 . Bought it a couple of years ago to use as a rehearsal amp , had never dragged it out for a gig . Blues jam , same room . Keyboard , horns , guitar , harp , but not excessively loud . Just ran the GK with the Berg112 and it filled the room . I had never turned it up to room volume . Sounded surprisingly good . Was using a Dano Longhorn with ancient (original) strings and my DC Jr . The Dano thumped , the Jr sounded rich .
My old GenzBenz might be back in time for the jam next week , if it is I'll be giving it a go . Providing things are open , Hurricane Teddy is expected here sometime Wednesday morning ...
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Ok, not my rig - but a mean rig nonetheless! This came in for repair, in original orange textile covers for both head and cab!
AP100's are rare enough but this one takes the cake. Made between '69 and '73, this one was bought in '70 according to the
original owner. It has less dirt than a Marshall Superbass (my go to tube bass amp) but a bit more personality than an SVT.
4xKT88 and very similar in design to Major's. Original Partridge transformers and Fane Speakers. Took a mudbucker like a champ!
Wow! Just sooo happy to cross paths with this one. Now, back to crackling Bluer Jr's.......:(
(https://i.imgur.com/Isw7bFp.jpg)
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nice
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I like the Batman-Pow on the faceplate. I've never seen that before on the Simms Watt amps but the early ones apparently have that print.
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He used to have a shop near me in the 70's... not really that far from where Dave Reeves had his setup too...
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Wow ! I had to do a little digging to read about the company .
None of their gear landed around Nova Scotia .
Fascinating !
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Never saw them in the US either.
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We spend much our time looking after my mother-in-law , so I've been granted a little space to establish a man cave to practice in . At the time being I've got five basses and two amps set up . There's a Ric 4000 , a DC Jr (might be my favourite bass) , an Eastwood Classic IV , a Unicorn and a uke bass . There's also an upright upstairs .
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2 - 15” cabs one with Eminence Kappalite 3015
and other a FaitalPro 15PR400
a Midrange horn I built several years ago but thanks to the FaitalPro not needed any more.
Also , Mesa Boogie TT-800 800watt RMS
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Some serious thump there .
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Still keep the practice corner at the in-law’s , and it changes all the time. At the moment there’s a Gretsch baritone and a Squier Bass VI for goofing around. That little Gibson Jr bass I love , and a recent acquisition , a UniVox HiFlier. I usually put a limit of 4or5 instruments there.
There’s a Hotone Thunder bass , a little 5watt head I like to use with headphones , it has a mini aux in for a tablet. I have a pile of material to memorize right now. There’s a Darkglass e500 with a PhilJones C2. The Darkglass is programable , there are about 22 pedals and effects in the software suite. Fun to spin the knobs. The C2 is a nice low volume cab , not really suitable for gigs , but I use it every day. And the Monique preamp paired with an ancient GK MB150. There’s also an older SWR HeadLite not in the frame that I want to test with Monique. Monique is subtle at low volume but very present. At room volume she’s a game changer.
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For some reason I was hankering for an Aguilar SL112 cab. They’re not common up this way. With the Cdn dollar being what it is I was reluctant to order from the US , I’d get euchred with the exchange and the duties. And there’s always the dangers of shipping a considerably sized box. I looked at Canadian sites and uncovered one in Winnipeg , the seller was not willing to ship. I pretty much assumed this was not going to be. These searches had been going on for some time.
And then one popped up here in town , a bit pricey , but I immediately snagged it.
Now this is pretty much going to reside at home , but I might take it downtown this weekend to hear it up at room levels.
Nice cab! I’ll be running it through various amps. Nerding out.
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I've heard some good things about the Aguilar cabs....good sound for the $.
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It’s a great cab. In fact I started looking around for a slightly used Tonehammer head for it. I’d like to use it with a head that was designed for it. The hammers come in 350, 500 and 700 watt sizes , and since this is just for home use the 350 would be fine.
So I’ve been looking around for a while , and today one popped up for sale in Harrisburg PA , the deal is done.
I’m excited!
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And it arrived this morning.
I’m spinning the knobs and getting an understanding of how this works. This is not a hifi head and I’ve been setting the gain just below the distortion point , so it’s got some girth but is not gnarly.
It’s a fine little amp , I’m very happy to have found it. For the time being I’m at the in-laws running it with a mini Phil Jones cab but it will eventually go home to sit on my Aggie cab.
I like it!
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And a pic , here at the practice nook at the in-laws with the little PhilJones cab. It will eventually stay at home. Spent most of the day playing around with the SG through it.
I really like it
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Glad you like it. I've only heard good things about Aguilar heads.
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The SG is wonderful with that little amp. Strung with flats it’s got a very distinct warm thump to it . It’s making that amp sound really nice.
Aguilar don’t use an assembly line making those amps. One guy puts it together.
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New to me and more recently harder than hell to get is a Genzler Magellan 350 Series 2 Combo. It's sitting on top of my Epifani UL2 212 cab which I'm selling to replace with a Genzler BA2-112-3 Cab.
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I’ve been using a Barefaced One10 for rehearsals , and a Berg 112 for most gigs , I can add a Berg 210 if I need more cab , but in the mid sized rooms I normally play the 112. I’ve been running a tube pre into the effect return of my Forte for power and flavour and get what I was striving for. A big warm old school thump. The tube pre delivers that. The Forte gives me 350 watts at 8ohms , 700 at 4.
So my gig gear is modular , everything is light , I’ve got tons of headroom , and have the tone I spent some years searching for.
At home I have some small dedicated practice rigs. This is the stuff I drive around.
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New to me and more recently harder than hell to get is a Genzler Magellan 350 Series 2 Combo. It's sitting on top of my Epifani UL2 212 cab which I'm selling to replace with a Genzler BA2-112-3 Cab.
Welcome, @soulman. Nice to see that you made it here.
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Welcome, @soulman. Nice to see that you made it here.
Yup, and thanks for guiding my way sir. I'm still just wandering around getting the lay of land and hoping to get to know more of the players. Some great looking rigs shown here as well.
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New to me and more recently harder than hell to get is a Genzler Magellan 350 Series 2 Combo. It's sitting on top of my Epifani UL2 212 cab which I'm selling to replace with a Genzler BA2-112-3 Cab.
Nice, and welcome!
How do you like the Genzler gear compared to Genz-Benz, did you ever play those?
I have stopped even thinking about buying new amps since I completed my current rig around 2008:
Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.0 head with one or both of EA CXL110 and EA CXL112. If the Shuttle ever dies I would love to try a Genzler.
But, as I get older (currently 53 and not in the best shape I've been)... I start wondering if I should replace the 45-pound 112 with one of the modern ultralight cabs. The low end flatness of that cab is just amazing though.
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Andy Field , who designed much of the later GenzBenz amps continues to service them. I sent a Streamliner to him to get checked out and now it’s like a brand new amp. I felt it was well worth investing in. It wasn’t expensive. Money well spent.
He is in California though.
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Nice, and welcome!
How do you like the Genzler gear compared to Genz-Benz, did you ever play those?
I have stopped even thinking about buying new amps since I got my current rig over a decade ago:
Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.0 head with one or both of EA CXL110 and EA CXL112. If the Shuttle ever dies I would love to try a Genzler.
But, as I get older (currently 53 and not in the best shape I've been)... I start wondering if I should replace the 45-pound 112 with one of the modern ultralight cabs. The low end flatness of that cab is just amazing though.
I think it was in 2010 or 2012 (age 60 or 62, depending) that my lovely wife gave me a Shuttle 6.0 and a pair of the T12 Shuttle speaker cabs for Christmas. I later swapped the 6.0 for a Shuttle 6.2 because I heard its voicing was a bit deeper, but I'll be darned if I can hear any difference. I sure like the docking amp on the T12 cab.
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Nice, and welcome!
How do you like the Genzler gear compared to Genz-Benz, did you ever play those?
I have stopped even thinking about buying new amps since I completed my current rig around 2008:
Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.0 head with one or both of EA CXL110 and EA CXL112. If the Shuttle ever dies I would love to try a Genzler.
But, as I get older (currently 53 and not in the best shape I've been)... I start wondering if I should replace the 45-pound 112 with one of the modern ultralight cabs. The low end flatness of that cab is just amazing though.
Although it always interested me I've never owned any Genz-Benz gear. So this is my first experience with Jeff Genzler's amps and cabs but Pilgrim is a friend and a neighbor if you will as we both live in Ft. Collins, CO and he's always been very complimentary of his Shuttle head. The MG350 is perfect for me and I love it's EQ set up with the contour control and the sweep-able mids.
It may actually be the easiest bass amp to EQ I've ever used. I can use the contour control to give me the basic EQ curve I want then just use Bass, Treble, and Mids to fine tune for whatever bass I'm playing. It should also be that easy to EQ for room acoustics but I haven't gigged with it yet. No lack of power either. It puts out more than enough volume for my needs.
Although my Epifani 212 weighs just over 50lbs I live in a second floor unit with no elevator so it would be a bear to haul up and down 22 steps leading to the second floor. It's an incredible cab and sounds great with the BA-110 but I want to cut down on size and weight so the Genzler BA cabs are where I'm headed. I would call them very transparent and uncolored.
That little BA 110 has an amazing range and a full yet tight low end. Once I can add a BA 112 to it I'll be able to use the full 350w output of the head when needed or I can go with a solo cab @ 175w. All of my other more powerful heads and other cabs are gone except that UL2 212 and it's for sale along with a brand the new never used MG350 head I got with the combo. I already had one I'd bought previously.
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Modern cabs are a gift. Back in the day I used to lug around a fridge , and then downsized to a cab that only weighed about eighty pounds.
I got tired of lifting that. Now I smile when I pick up a cab , I have a 110 , 112 , and 210 and simply pick whatever best suits what I need. I rarely need two cabs , but always have that option.
The GenzBenz amps have a great reputation , and will stand beside modern amp designs. And the designer still services them. He’s behind the SubwaySeries that Mesa have done. And the Genzler amps carry on that tradition too.
I have a GB Streamliner that Andy Field serviced , it’s like a new amp. Three tube preamp so it can get pretty warm. You can dial in distortion or run it clean. It does take some time to spin the knobs and really get a feel for what they can do.
Classic amp.
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I think many of us have entered into a phase of reducing the weight of our gear and fortunately for us the music industry has been delivering what we need. I've actually gone through a couple phases of this the last was going from a bi-amped 2x15/2x10 rig to a 4x10. Then to that Epifani 212 and another Epifani 112. The 112 got sold a couple months ago and as soon as the 212 sells a Genzler BA 112 will replace it giving me three options of 110, 112, or both and the heaviest will still weigh less than 30lbs.
So I've gone from an over 80lb 4x10 to a 50lb 212 to the MG350 Combo at 25lbs and when I add that BA 112 both will weigh about the same as the Epifani 212 but much smaller and able to be carried individually or one in each hand whenever I'm feeling particularly "brutish". LOL It actually pains me to sell that 212 because it sounds so good but it's just too bulky for me to carry by myself now. These new Bass Array cabs are a real Godsend for us older guys who still want to gig awhile longer.