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Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: uwe on November 01, 2017, 08:05:54 AM
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(nervously) Yes or no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrZ2e6RjIXE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAohtcq3Byw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWDMLtXBmXE
Backing vocals too Eagles-ish? :-\
Bassist moves and has his bass slung like he's playing in a Prog band? :-\
The way they dress! :-\
In feverish anticipation of your just verdict!
Uwe
PS: Actually, I find myself reminded of Loggins & Messina with a good deal of Garth Brooks thrown in.
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Sure, if you consider Steel Panther a real hair metal band. Same difference.
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To me, Steel Panther are a serious rock band pretending to be goofy because that gives them an individual sales pitch and also insulates them against criticism of "In 2017, you guys can't possibly be serious about what you are doing!?". It is then an effective and sourpuss-deflecting repartee to say "Of course not, just look at us, we can't be serious!", yet at the same time wink at your real, devoted audience indicating that you're dead serious. I understand that Steel Panther has a large female audience which regards their gigs as a hen party-guilty pleasure without morning-after-remorse.
But I know where you're coming from, there is something about Midland so carefully crafted and OTT, you wonder whether they actually do take the mickey. That was my immediate thought too, but apparently none of their audience seems to think so. Outside of their glamour cowboy outfits and the way they move on stage and play their instruments, they sure look like a rock band, carefully groomed 70ies moustaches or not. Is caricature and irony an alien concept to C&W fans?
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I've been wrong before and I'm no real country expert like Dave. But after just listening to one song, to my ears at least, that singer's accent doesn't sound like a real Southern accent. I know almost nothing about Midland, though, I must say. All I can say is that in the South most people don't talk like that, whatever the hell that accent is supposed to be.
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Caricature and Irony? I'd say Ray Stevens fits that bill and also He Haw. There's a link in the comment section of the first video regarding Midland's authenticity.
http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/the-midland-authenticity-dilemma/
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The Steel Panther comparison is a good one. They're competent musicians and the music is country style, but they're play acting. Call 'em The Prefab Three. Like Judy Canova and Esmeraldy in the 40s and 50s, they're actors playing country musicians. Oh, and I hate the fakey accents.
Pretty boy lead singer's IMDb page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1458132/). And in the immortal words of Richard Bowden, I'd rather hear a fat girl fart than a pretty boy sing.
One example of authentic country sung by authentic young artists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCz56b4j6hI
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But that sounds like 50ies C&W transplanted into the 21st Century!
So unlike other forms of music, C&W is not allowed to develop, however gently?
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OMG, corporate-fabricated, soapie-actor, underwear model, Bruno Mars hanger-on, Monkees C&W!!!
We've been deceived. :mrgreen:
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So unlike other forms of music, C&W is not allowed to develop, however gently?
No, cuz we've seen what happens when you allow any of that sort of thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt0_oPPK6eA
;)
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that singer's accent doesn't sound like a real Southern accent.
I mean this with no sarcasm whatsoever: he sounds like someone from Scandinavia trying to do a Kenny Chesney impression and failing.
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So unlike other forms of music, C&W is not allowed to develop, however gently?
ahem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq1BSyvvhmw
...and BTW, the first part of that video is a parody OF a parody: this running gag from Walk Hard (which was a FAR better movie than Walk the Line, the movie it parodies.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zcrb1ff1xs
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I mean this with no sarcasm whatsoever: he sounds like someone from Scandinavia trying to do a Kenny Chesney impression and failing.
I had no idea where he was from. All I know is that when I heard him, it immediately jumped out as an affectation which grated my nerves. But you never know for sure what's going on. My sister says Jennifer Nettles gets on her nerves with her exaggerated accent (while singing) and Jennifer is from Georgia.
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Jennifer Nettle's accent is as fake as his. Being from Georgia doesn't automatically impart hillbilly speech. I hate her affectations too. She CAN sing beautifully without them.
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Jennifer Nettle's accent is as fake as his. Being from Georgia doesn't automatically impart hillbilly speech. I hate her affectations too. She CAN sing beautifully without them.
I was under the impression that Jennifer did have a lot of talent. I have a friend who would probably list Sugarland as a favorite country band despite the affectations.
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I don't know exactly what to say about this. I suppose it's country. But not Nashville country and it sounds probably more like western than country. I tried to look up the people doing it. The leader of the band seems to be someone known in Texas. The guy who wrote the song and does much of the singing is from Memphis, appears to have been something of a pop singer in the 80s, but later wrote some songs for some country artists such as Martina McBride. I happened to run across these guys not long ago while I was channel surfing. Most likely some people would call this music Americana and maybe it is. I don't really have enough of a handle on what's Americana to say. For one thing I've heard John Fogerty called Americana and what he does sounds pretty different than this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk-iOCDf03s
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Shouldn't these songs be considered blues?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDRzixp1Fvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZDJsqMR6h4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GozdIQx1Wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnzt-2qPgeI
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I would still consider all that country, unless some people might call Leann Rimes pop or pop country.
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I know, just being silly.
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Oh, I only got 4 hours of sleep and I'm probably not capable of knowing if someone is being silly or not. I need sleep and 4 hours doesn't cut it.
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A lot of music has feet in more than one genre. A country artist singing a tune with typical country lyrics, but in a blues beat using a classic blues chord progression, is a pretty good example.
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A lot of music has feet in more than one genre. A country artist singing a tune with typical country lyrics, but in a blues beat using a classic blues chord progression, is a pretty good example.
True. Hank Williams' Lovesick Blues was originally written for a musical and first recorded in the early 1920s. The 1928 recording by Emmett Miller, a white singer who performed in blackface, inspired Hank's version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfhsmBFz4A
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A lot of music has feet in more than one genre.
Absolutely! That's just how popular music of all kinds evolves. And always has done. Arguing about correct classification of things is a fun hobby for us all, but it doesn't matter much in the end, does it?
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Nope.
And I'm really enjoying the Midland CD spinning on my office stereo as I write. Garth Brooks-ish to the max though (the way the singer intonates), but that is not an insult in my book. Excellent production too.
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I've never really understood the propensity for the overly exaggerated accent especially in modern country bands. There's plenty of C&W without such put on accents, Marty Robbins, Alan Jackson (there's a twang but it doesn't sound ridiculous), even some of Hank Williams stuff doesn't have that thick of an accent. A lot of the modern stuff sounds like they're singing a pastiche bordering on parody of the "country accent". About the only accent I can put up with currently for much time is Sturgill Simpson. As far as country rock, I'd far prefer without the accent more like Commander Cody or Doug Sahm.
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I've never really understood the propensity for the overly exaggerated accent especially in modern country bands. There's plenty of C&W without such put on accents, Marty Robbins, Alan Jackson (there's a twang but it doesn't sound ridiculous), even some of Hank Williams stuff doesn't have that thick of an accent. A lot of the modern stuff sounds like they're singing a pastiche bordering on parody of the "country accent". About the only accent I can put up with currently for much time is Sturgill Simpson. As far as country rock, I'd far prefer without the accent more like Commander Cody or Doug Sahm.
I think you've hit the nail on the head with your analysis of what's going on with the accent. As for Marty Robbins, just the song "El Paso" is legendary. Personally, though, I consider him Western but not really country. Alan Jackson is country, IMO. I think he's really good. But I don't listen to his music I think mostly because many times the lyrics seem to hit too close to home. Hank Williams can do that, too. But I can listen to him. He is the only country artist I can listen to for extended periods.
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The older guys who sang with accents had those accents in real life. Even if they were city boys, their families had come to the city from smaller towns and rural areas.
A lot of modern "country" is just douchebag party boy rock with completely phony accents.
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Interesting bit of info regarding the Emmet Miller inspiration. Very cool to hear how something originating in a Jazz band setting could find it's way to Hank and his trademark voice break yodel.
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Jackie's perception of "modern country" is early and latter Tanya Tucker and Alan Jackson... She quite likes Emmylou too... ;)
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I just think of modern country as pop music with badly mashed western straw hats and pickup trucks.
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A lot of modern "country" is just douchebag party boy rock with completely phony accents.
Exibit B:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKZqGJONH68
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That's a great video. Along with lots of pretty girls, there's also a Jack Casady bass. What's not to love?
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The banality; the glorification of frat boy get wasted culture with it's toxic machismo. AKA douchebag party rock like Dave said.
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The banality; the glorification of frat boy get wasted culture with it's toxic machismo. AKA douchebag party rock like Dave said.
but...but....but.... that's today's country music!! Are you criticizing the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA??????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROxvT8KKdFw
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Just thought I'd share -
Performing at this year's 51st Country Music Awards, that renowned and legendary country music superstar:
Pink
(https://i.imgur.com/MdS0w6K.jpg)
I have nothing to add..... :rolleyes:
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I love Animal House, but that's an obvious lampoon ( not that this fact stops many from somehow taking it seriously.... just like that first Beastie Boys album.... and even the second one where they thought they made it even more obvious).
I have a hard believe G these guys aren't at least a little bit serious, even if they are having some fun with it.
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You C&W Nazis! :mrgreen:
I need something to put me in a good mood, Nicole's hubby always does. And the girls like him too - wimmin' are never wrong!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tIaNYVmEyI
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Toxic machismo? Pink at the CMAs? Australians singing country?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mhw_DGIW5o
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Alas!, I haven't even revealed my favourite C&W band yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxS7DtM1TZU
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Since the Deep Purple topic has been approached, this might be added: Don't tear down these sculptures!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3fSrSDNpHg
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Just thought I'd share -
Performing at this year's 51st Country Music Awards, that renowned and legendary country music superstar:
Pink
(https://i.imgur.com/MdS0w6K.jpg)
I have nothing to add..... :rolleyes:
Trapeze artists who sing pop, but not really because now they're appearing at country music shows, that's what country is all about.
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Marty Robbins, 1969 performance of his 1963 hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNNaOuo0tMQ
Cyndi Lauper, from Detour, her 2016 country album, which is more country than anything on the mainstream country charts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsRuAM1fFIo
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The pretty boys of new country could learn something from Cyndi Lauper's authentic vocals. I'm just wondering if they have any idea how awful they really sound. Evidently not.
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I like Keith Urban. Though truthfully, he's just twangy adult contemporary soft rock. The man can flat out shred, really sings his songs, and paid his dues playing clubs in Australia playing American country. Like Brad Paisley, I can ignore the schmaltz because there is real inspired talent there and the pop hooks are nowhere near as offensively phony as the faux "outlaws" of modern bro-country. Those guys don't pretend to be hard luck stories and they DID pay their dues (Paisley played Dollywood near here for years before he hit it big)
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Needless to say, both also have prominent wives. Kimberley Williams is known for being a comedic actress. But I saw Nicole Kidman on late night TV recently and didn't realize how funny she can be, too. I was laughing pretty hard.
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Keith Urban...? Isn't he in Star Trek...? :mrgreen:
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Keith Urban...? Isn't he in Star Trek...? :mrgreen:
If Keith Urban ended up playing a character on "Star Trek Discovery," I wouldn't know about it. Because in the U.S. you have to pay a subscription fee on CBS All Access. It's my understanding that in Europe you can watch it on Netflix, no extra charge. That should be interesting, though. He could play the chief engineer with an Australian accent who sings country songs. ;D
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The pretty boys of new country could learn something from Cyndi Lauper's authentic vocals. I'm just wondering if they have any idea how awful they really sound. Evidently not.
Cyndi is very strange but she has the pipes to pull off just about any style, and if anything she's gotten better with age.
The old days were fun, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfvLpo2On7I
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It makes sense that her signature song was "Girls Just Want To Have Fun," but I like this one more. Since then she has shown that going from one genre to another doesn't faze her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we7z7PYp19I
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Cyndi rules! To derail this thread even further, this is one of my favorites from back in the day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp4suZ4jNXg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AnkyF_fAfU
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She Bop was supposedly about female masturbation.
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She Bop was supposedly about female masturbation.
The video was shown a lot on MTV and there are all kinds of hints throughout the song. I like the song mostly because of the melody, though. The lyrics could have been about anything. It's strange that in spite of all this, it's Madonna that became more of the figure in the 80s associated with sex. Much more so than Cyndi Lauper. I was just reading some stuff a few minutes ago and it seems Cyndi Lauper started losing her popularity pretty quickly by the late 80s. I don't know exactly what happened because I never really kept up with her career. Also, there seem to be very few clips of live performances from the 80s. Her fans claim that a lot of good performances have been lost forever.
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She Bop was supposedly about female masturbation.
Don't play with food.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Doughnut-1023029-m-1.jpg/220px-Doughnut-1023029-m-1.jpg)
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A friend of mine used to play in a band called Slap The Fish... :mrgreen: