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Title: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: ilan on August 29, 2017, 11:39:31 PM
Took delivery yesterday.

Today I'm going to install NOS correct tuners. The neck is stable and straight - no need for a reset job this time. Also needs a correct w/b/w nut (actually just a string spacer) just for aesthetic reasons, and a new bridge - someone filed grooves in the original bridge. Large bodied basses used a longer guitar bridge (3" between height adjustment screws) with 4 instead of 6 fret pieces, not the usual violin bass shorter bridge type.

The neck is 3-piece, like the '60 500/3. My '64 Senator is 2-piece.

With a TI JF344 set, the bass sounds significantly brighter than my '60 500/3 and '64 Senator, both unplugged and amped. A bit too bright for my taste but I'll let the flats age as they should.

Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: gearHed289 on August 30, 2017, 07:40:02 AM
Very cool, congrats!
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: 4stringer77 on August 30, 2017, 07:50:42 AM
Mazal tov!
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Post by: Dave W on August 30, 2017, 07:53:56 AM
Beauty!
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Post by: Pilgrim on August 30, 2017, 07:59:41 AM
Looks nice.  Once you mention it, those tuners do kinda shine like little LEDs on the headstock...
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Post by: Granny Gremlin on August 30, 2017, 08:22:05 AM
Oh man, that is one cool bass. 
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Post by: slinkp on August 30, 2017, 08:23:09 AM
Cool!  I always thought of those old hollowbody Hofners as strictly vintage-vibe basses appropriate for 60s-vibe music, but then Tina Weymouth played one on much of Talking Heads' work.  It sounded great in that context too!  Sadly I've never had my hands on one to try out.  Yours looks super nice.
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: ilan on August 30, 2017, 12:29:24 PM
Thanks guys.

Took care of almost everyting today. I had NOS Höfner 60s tuners installed, unmolested bridge (my luthier had a spare long type taken off a 60s Höfner guitar), side dots (the only mod I do on old Höfners). Replacing the tuners also completely cured the slight neck heaviness she had with the non-original tuners.
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: Highlander on August 30, 2017, 01:49:50 PM
Mazal tov!

Wot 'e sed...  8)
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Post by: OldManC on September 02, 2017, 03:11:08 PM
Beautiful!
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Post by: BTL on September 02, 2017, 07:24:25 PM
I like that a lot!
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: ilan on September 04, 2017, 04:38:46 AM
(http://www.ibass.co.il/forum/uploads/monthly_2017_09/photo5866499884511767150.jpg.d929b889adb6dd560965eac606855d42.jpg)
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: Highlander on September 05, 2017, 11:22:17 AM
Cereal bowl, with a big spoon...
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: ilan on September 06, 2017, 02:48:25 AM
Cereal bowl, with a big spoon...

It's called a Pastil Chair (http://www.uber-modern.com/en/lounge-chairs/367-eero-aarnio-pastil-chair.html).

(https://www.nova68.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/A8310.jpg)
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: Highlander on September 07, 2017, 02:06:42 PM
That white one reminds me of a cap (tooth)...

Very sixties... 8)
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: ilan on September 08, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
Very sixties... 8)
Yep. a 60's space-age design icon from '67. It's made from fiberglass and without any padding, it's very comfortable. Eero Aarnio was a genius designer. When we renovated in 2002 I told the architect that I must have either a Pastil or a Bubble Chair in the living room. He laughed. I went out and bought one. By the way, it can float in a pool (not that we have one).

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9e/36/6f/9e366f5e5ae4c72d26a3807495aa7879.jpg)
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: Highlander on September 09, 2017, 01:31:15 AM
I've heard you can float in the Dead Sea too, not that I've got one of those either... :mrgreen:

Original or repro...? Rather cool items... I know my daughter would like one of the bubbles... ;)
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: ilan on September 09, 2017, 01:34:07 PM
I tried the dead sea thing, it's like floating in a disgusting warm, oily soup. Once was enough.

The Pastil is a $300 repro. A very accurate one. If I had enough money to buy an original I'd still buy the repro and use the leftover $2,300 to buy another bass or two.
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: Highlander on September 10, 2017, 08:52:56 AM
Won't get too many Ricks for that... ;)
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Post by: uwe on October 06, 2017, 09:59:17 AM
Ah, Ilan is a design collector! Those artsy Tel Avivian urbanites. Sehr sheyn!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe2UXccid40

And now for somthing completely different, some useful Dead Sea tourist advice

When in the Dead Sea

Never take a pee

Or it's your turn

For ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wndOOJ_Q88c
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: uwe on October 06, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
PS: Utmostly satisfied with how my posting above turned out. From a 60ies design classic to Yiddish swing to general public service advice re chemical reactions between urine and natrium-drenched water to, of course, Deep Purple? Try to beat me!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: ilan on October 07, 2017, 12:59:26 PM
Ah, Ilan is a design collector! Those artsy Tel Avivian urbanites. Sehr sheyn!
Not much of a collector, but we do have a soft spot for mid-century modernism, space-age mod furniture and Scandinavian design.
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: uwe on October 10, 2017, 01:16:17 PM
A Stanley Kubrick interior design fan, no doubt.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: ilan on October 12, 2017, 12:41:32 AM
This is from the Art and Design Museum in Copenhagen, same Pastil chair but theirs is red.

(http://www.theculturemap.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Art-and-design-museum_copehnagen-1024x692.jpg)
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: Highlander on October 12, 2017, 11:33:15 AM
My mind is going... I can feel it...
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Post by: uwe on October 13, 2017, 06:37:00 AM
This is from the Art and Design Museum in Copenhagen, same Pastil chair but theirs is red.

(http://www.theculturemap.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Art-and-design-museum_copehnagen-1024x692.jpg)

We only visited that museum a few weeks ago when we saw these guys in Copenhagen ...

I've got nothing, just a table and two chairs
But they're beautiful and I just stand and stare
Time and space intertwined
Elegance, simple lines, Scandinavian Design

I've got nothing, just a table and two chairs
But I know that everything
I need is there
Every line, every shape
Sculptural, no escape
It's Scandinavian Design

Sometimes she comes over, I think I know why
Says the sky has bored her, what's wrong with the sky
Who am I to turn her out, all that she thinks about
Is Scandinavian Design

She stayed over, and we slept on wooden floors
She gets up at 8 and tiptoes to the door
She turns ‘round, subtle wave
Hums a tune by Sam and Dave
Scandinavian Design

Every line, every shape
Sculptural, no escape
Scandinavian Design

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qyYeltJwbo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogn4GWHPsWE
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: ilan on October 13, 2017, 11:11:21 PM
I had no idea they still existed.
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Post by: Granny Gremlin on October 16, 2017, 10:27:21 AM
That's interesting and listennable; rather Beatleish tho (Rubber Souly.... I wonder if they drew on Norwegian Wood a bit intentionally cuz that would actually be funny and well played).
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: uwe on October 17, 2017, 05:37:04 AM
Big Beatles nerds ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRJn2YQN1o

Nothing they ever do is unintentional.

And Ilan - they never split up or retired, they just thrive in their little artsy niche in Europe (predominantly UK, France and Scandinavia), don't mean a thing in their native US.
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: ilan on October 17, 2017, 12:45:38 PM
They chose the best song ever written (yes, that's what I think of I Want To Hold Your Hand) to slaughter. As @POTUS might have summed it up: SAD!
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: uwe on October 17, 2017, 01:05:38 PM
I think they were being ironic - they often are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAWi41KiDdw

They emphasized the cheesy aspects of the song (and I Want To Hold Your Hand has a few of those, I never thought it the strongest early Beatles composition - they were still very much in Everly Brothers mode then - I prefer Eight Days a Week or She Loves You any day). But they disowned their own version years later, saying they had completely missed what the Beatles had evoked.

As for the Twitter guy, I'm sure he must be a closet Sparks fan too ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-qFJS4Nb44





Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: slinkp on October 17, 2017, 03:53:37 PM
I didn't know who they were, but they were indelibly lodged in my memory via this song in the 80s movie "Valley Girl".  I was about 13, so anything with (even partial) nudity that I could surreptitiously watch multiple times on HBO made a big impression on me.  Plus, it was a memorably weird vocal intro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOxe3Tjfxo0

For the same reason, I will always vividly remember "Moving in Stereo" by The Cars, though I didn't even know it was a Cars song ...  because it plays during the pool scene in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High".   Ah, the single-mindedness (mindlessness?) of youth.
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: uwe on October 17, 2017, 04:17:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtmX7zS1TFs

There are no doubt parallels between the Sparks and The Cars even though they came from opposite coasts! They both had that penchant for almost grotesque tunefulness/catchiness coupled with a certain lack of warmth/sweat/earthiness in their music (you couldn't imagine them doing Foghat's Slowride and keeping a straight face about it). Both were Yanks too, yet sounded British.

The Mael's lyrics are more acerbic though (very much West Coast Jewish middle class observant wit of two brothers growing up in the 50ies and 60ies who didn't quite fit in/weren't allowed to). And they sure were ahead of their time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsoA_SZkggU
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: daan on October 17, 2017, 06:56:10 PM
I had no idea they still existed.

THey put out a record a couple years ago, with the "Franz Ferdinand" guys, it's fun to listen to.
https://youtu.be/lhJwX4IVjmI
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: daan on October 17, 2017, 06:57:23 PM
(http://www.ibass.co.il/forum/uploads/monthly_2017_09/photo5866499884511767150.jpg.d929b889adb6dd560965eac606855d42.jpg)

This is such a great picture, I kinda want a nice, framed copy in my music room! I'm a sucker for non-beatle-bass Hofners, and modern design, so this hits all my buttons. Awesome!
Title: Re: NBD '65 blonde Höfner Senator bass
Post by: uwe on October 17, 2017, 08:13:29 PM
Considering it's German design, it's not that dreadfully hässlich.  :popcorn: