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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: TBird1958 on July 10, 2017, 09:48:12 AM
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Our Aussie Kat 888 posted this on the club thread on TB
I haven't heard it with sound yet as I'm at work, sure looks nice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgRqxgtaQ8g
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I think that's pretty cool indeed. 8)
Of course all of you with the real thing will have to weigh in for a true tonal comparison.
Me likey! :mrgreen:
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V 8)
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Anybody who plays Rainbow's Stargazer riff on a TBird demo is my man! ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVXy1OhaERY
(http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/148302026-14th-november-rock-group-rainbow-perform-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QQXE4fpIg9H%2BDWnQmbdKUkrAfRuFAjWJGmvW929hmIi1mdY%2BcY9753Z7Kbqrt2ksng%3D%3D)
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Pretty sweet! I bet it sounds better than the recent Gibsons with the doodyish black plastic pickups. Although I must forsake buying one because, although he did mention some great bands and played some cool riffs, he neglected Mott the Hoople and the NY Dolls. But if they ever decide to put out a single-pickup version, then I may be tempted to pick one up.
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It sure looks cool!!!!
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Funny that the same day the video comes out I get a voice mail from my Sweetwater Rep saying that Epiphone doesn't expect them until September now. Oh well :-*
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Sounds good to me! Cool song choices too.
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Great. I thought I was safe from GAS.
Now this... :o
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This ain't helping either...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h621btaMH5U
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So the question remains - how close do they sound to the real thing?
Or are they far enough away to warrant a $400 pickup upgrade?
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The whole bass just costs $399. What are they paying the Chinese that make these things with? Anything, a sack of rice or maybe just the end of a bullwhip? No wonder Gibson isn't making basses.
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The whole bass just costs $399. What are they paying the Chinese that make these things with? Anything, a sack of rice or maybe just the end of a bullwhip? No wonder Gibson isn't making basses.
Of the two, I'd rather have the Embassy. The lower price is a bonus.
Gibson has a couple of state-of-the-art factories there. No doubt they pay the prevailing wages. We may think the price is ultra-low, maybe because of the classic styling, but there are plenty of other MIC basses in that price range. No reason for the Embassy to be any different.
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The workers in those factories may be enjoying a relatively comfortable standard of living, still having instruments offered at such a low price here effectively undervalues and undermines the rest of the domestic market. It makes me upset that it's taken for granted and people drool over getting these cheap basses while other producers large and small have to languish. I can't buy one of these thunderbirds or Embassy basses in good conscience without considering the economic ramifications.
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At this stage in my life I would consider a Gibson if it were priced reasonably...
$2500 in my book is utterly outrageous for a T Bird.
If it were competitive with Fender and RiC offerings, they might sell a few more.
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They are Epis - no matter how good they are (and I don't doubt that), they are not in the market with a brand like Gibson. So I don't think you will be harming Gibson worker jobs in Nashville and what have you with buying these Epis. And a couple of Chinese workers will be happy to support their families.
Globalisation isn't always nice or fair, but it's a fact of life. Give me an example where cordoning off your markets has worked in the mid to long term. If so, Apartheid-South Africa, North Korea and Cuba should all have been stunningly successful economies - they weren't/aren't. The demise of the former Eastern Block economies is a case in point - shutting yourself off from the outside won't give you a strong and resilient economy.
Whether you're left or right (globalisation critics are everywhere), it's been proven that globalisation and free markets increase wealth in the long run. That wealth increase is, however, not always in the same place, industries go under in one place and provide new jobs in another. That has been happening ever since the world existed, if not the Southern States of the US would still rely on cotton exports. Would that be an attractive position to be in? How many people in this forum want to pick cotton for a living?
You just cannot preserve a certain status of an economy in amber. Deconstruction and reinvention go together (and capitalism - with all its faults - seems to be pretty good at that process). And what people tend to forget is that the prevention of the creation of new jobs outside of old, established economies in places like Europe, the US and Japan would relegate all these other countries to never catching up. That's an unhealthy proposition - inter alia for world peace. We have to work to bridge the gulf between the haves and the have-nots both nationally and internationally - it's the challenge of our lifetime.
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I am looking forward to the Epi Vintage Pro- just hope it becomes a regular part of the Epiphone line and comes in some more colours over time. Yes, I know, I am very deep.
I view the economics behind it all as being like lots of other things these days. Try and find an Australian built TV, fridge, toaster or car for that matter. When Gibson built the 60s TBirds, all those things were built in Australia. All gone now.
Fact is, Gibson has not seen the need or opportunity to produce a Gibson branded, US built, roughly 60s spec TBird, seemingly like these Epis, in over five decades. So I haven't been able to buy one. I have never seen a 60s TBird for sale in Australia. I have seen only two 70s TBirds for sale here. Would I have paid a premium if Gibson had built them some time in the last fifty years? Yes, but they didn't.
What TBirds they have produced in the last twenty years or so have been overpriced, aesthetically relatively unpleasing (to me) and with pickups that I don't particularly care for. But I bought one anyway brand new at the going (high) rate and modded it.
What surprises me about the whole thing is that are branding them Epiphone. I wonder if eventually Gibson bass production will be from China and they (and other current Epis) will wear a Gibson logo.
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Fabulous response Uwe. There are some inconsistencies in your position. Cuba and North Korea are not democracies and apartheid era South Africa's economy performed well enough. Post apartheid South Africa is another matter and best left alone in this discussion. Free trade is fine in a truly free market but that is not what we have. In a fair environment based on the Austrian economic model I have faith that America and the west are more than capable of excelling. In fact, it's a cold reality that in free markets there will be winners and losers. It is not our responsibility to prop up the rest of the world if it can not produce wealth on it's own merits and it's hardly practical for the west to not live up to it's potential in the name of global equality. That kind of thinking will only lead to global stagnation and set a poor example for rewarding actual hard work. Hand outs like welfare only produce more poverty and no incentive to excel.
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I'm very keen to see the Vintage bird and the Embassy. I just hope that the prices down here are roughly in line with current Epiphone expectations.
Im wondering if the Embassy will become a de facto replacement for the Gibson EB???
I also am keen to see & hear reviews hopefully that compare the Vintage to the Classic. I expect that the Classic will be less expensive once replaced and especially if the Vintage pickups and sound is regarded as superior. The looks are already. Perhaps an old stock Classic then becomes an alternative to the Embassy on price.
I also hope that Cherry or other styles become available. I want to see the neck through with the different layers.
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Of the two, I'd rather have the Embassy. The lower price is a bonus.
I agree- I've always been a sucker for the body style, and haven't even held a bass with it. Now I'll be able to afford to own one!
Was Radio Birdman the band that had a Wilshire guitar on the cover of their first record? On that record (whoever it was) they played the theme from Hawaii 5-0 as a guitar solo, which I thought was awesome as a 12 year old guitar player. I would prefer the looks of a batwing headstock, though...
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I agree- I've always been a sucker for the body style, and haven't even held a bass with it. Now I'll be able to afford to own one!
Was Radio Birdman the band that had a Wilshire guitar on the cover of their first record? On that record (whoever it was) they played the theme from Hawaii 5-0 as a guitar solo, which I thought was awesome as a 12 year old guitar player. I would prefer the looks of a batwing headstock, though...
Aloha! Steve & Dano ?
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I agree- I've always been a sucker for the body style, and haven't even held a bass with it. Now I'll be able to afford to own one!
Was Radio Birdman the band that had a Wilshire guitar on the cover of their first record? On that record (whoever it was) they played the theme from Hawaii 5-0 as a guitar solo, which I thought was awesome as a 12 year old guitar player. I would prefer the looks of a batwing headstock, though...
I thought it was a Crestwood Deluxe. Saw them many times- my favourite band growing up in Sydney.
Lack of the batwing is probably a deal breaker for me.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UlS25ucjj_8/U3p0jKLBBcI/AAAAAAABRRM/pIy3HYVec08/s1600/deniz_tek.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xyFA-tiiHCk/hqdefault.jpg)
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I have to say, that bonerific upper bout looks a lot better in the video than it did in the photos we saw when these were announced. I may have to spring for an Embassy.
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Aloha! Steve & Dano ?
That's the one!
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I thought it was a Crestwood Deluxe. Saw them many times- my favourite band growing up in Sydney.
Lack of the batwing is probably a deal breaker for me.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UlS25ucjj_8/U3p0jKLBBcI/AAAAAAABRRM/pIy3HYVec08/s1600/deniz_tek.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xyFA-tiiHCk/hqdefault.jpg)
Looks like you know it better than I! I need to dig out that record. It's probably been twenty years since I've heard it...
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Its a shame that they chose such a stark white for that T-bird. A warmer hue would have looked cooler, and matched the vintage hardware better in my view. Was Polaris White really that platinum white colour back in the '60s before yellowing over time?
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I will forever look at that Epi Newport/Embassy shape as non-descript. It's one of the most anodyne guitar shapes imaginable. There, I said it. :mrgreen:
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Its a shame that they chose such a stark white for that T-bird. A warmer hue would have looked cooler, and matched the vintage hardware better in my view. Was Polaris White really that platinum white colour back in the '60s before yellowing over time?
I'm the opposite. I love a WHITE white and can't stand that cream look. I made an exception for my Chris Squire bass. :mrgreen:
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that bonerific upper bout
I think it looks weird.
Like they were in two minds about the radius of the edge
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Warwick probably helped in the final stages of the design.
(http://www.warwick.de/warwick/data/Warwick.de/Warwick/Discontinued/Fortress/OldFortressFlashback.jpg)
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Its a shame that they chose such a stark white for that T-bird. A warmer hue would have looked cooler, and matched the vintage hardware better in my view. Was Polaris White really that platinum white colour back in the '60s before yellowing over time?
You know, black hardware would be ideal for that bright white! :D
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Warwick probably helped in the final stages of the design.
(http://www.warwick.de/warwick/data/Warwick.de/Warwick/Discontinued/Fortress/OldFortressFlashback.jpg)
With a little lube you could........oops, wrong forum! :P
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I like this Epi bird. Bright white + chrome hardware + black headstock makes a really nice combination IMO.
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With a little lube you could........oops, wrong forum! :P
:o
:mrgreen:
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This is not - I repeat: not - a model train forum. No tunneling!
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Meanwhile the videos of the new Epiphones basses are offline.
Wonder if Epiphone maybe needs a bit more time to release the new basses?
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That's very strange.
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I can't get past the Epiphone name...drives me crazy.
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This is not - I repeat: not - a model train forum. No tunneling!
Butt, butt.................... :-*
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Butt, butt.................... :-*
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I can't get past the Epiphone name...drives me crazy.
I guess I still feel that way about the lower end, less faithfully built models, but I never felt that way when I got an Epi Japan Thunderbird (same bass as the "Orville" bird). I was actually really impressed with it. There was a time when I was totally enamored of all those "lawsuit" type Japanese guitars and basses. I don't think they replace their American counterparts, but I liked that they were not the same old same old. I approach these new models in the same way. They are what they are (and are not a replacement for a modern Gibson or their vintage counterparts), but they might be cool anyway, in their own right.
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Video is up on Official Epiphone channel now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjoLqo_Dh5Y
If you hold out for the Gibson 2018 Thunderbirds, maybe they'll be sporting chrome pickups by then too.
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Oh and here's the Embassy demo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Der83hUU4Lc
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;D
I guess I still feel that way about the lower end, less faithfully built models, but I never felt that way when I got an Epi Japan Thunderbird (same bass as the "Orville" bird). I was actually really impressed with it. There was a time when I was totally enamored of all those "lawsuit" type Japanese guitars and basses. I don't think they replace their American counterparts, but I liked that they were not the same old same old. I approach these new models in the same way. They are what they are (and are not a replacement for a modern Gibson or their vintage counterparts), but they might be cool anyway, in their own right.
I'm really looking forward to the new Epi, I'm hoping to just leave it alone and not add anything to it.........
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I can't get past the Epiphone name...drives me crazy.
I don't think of the Epis being to Gibson as Squier is to Fender, more like a Fender MIM is to a Fender MIA. Both are solid instruments.
As an example, I don't think the Casady takes a back seat to anything in the Gibson line.
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Squier makes some pretty darn good stuff though.
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Indeed. The Squier Vintage Modified stuff has a very good reputation. But overall, most consider it step down from Fender. I'm not sure how well justified that is, as mass-produced instruments vary, and a great Squier can be a better instrument than a poor Fender.
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I don't think of the Epis being to Gibson as Squier is to Fender, more like a Fender MIM is to a Fender MIA. Both are solid instruments.
As an example, I don't think the Casady takes a back seat to anything in the Gibson line.
You're right, the three-point bridge studs pull out on both! ;D
But seriously, everything is built to a price point. You just have to figure out if the value you expect is there.
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Now if they only went back to that brilliant Yank mechanical invention also known as the Evertilt two-point bridge with its hypothetical stringholder that would have alleviated all concerns if, if only, it had ever left the drawing board. The theoretic concept was immaculate though!
All credit to endurance, but any stud needs to be withdrawn eventually, it does get painful.
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Now if they only went back to that brilliant Yank mechanical invention also known as the Evertilt two-point bridge with its hypothetical stringholder that would have alleviated all concerns if, if only, it had ever left the drawing board. The theoretic concept was immaculate though!
All credit to endurance, but any stud needs to be withdrawn eventually, it does get painful.
Isn't the problem that the bridge studs or sleeves they're using are slightly too small? If that's the case, wouldn't a two-pointer have the same problem? Or is it related to the bridge design? I had no problem with the Babicz bridge when I had my SG Bass.
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I would think that the Holy Immaculate Trinity stud bridge is more prone to a single stud being pulled out due to the leverage force being more powerful on a three point (if two studs are raised and one isn't) than on a mere two point. Of course, the strength (in the truest sense of the word) of the three point is just that third stabilizing stud which prevents all tilt. But if badly or extremely set up it also heightens the pull.
I have cursed tiltomatic two point bridges forever, but I've never had one where the studs pulled out. THAT IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT!!! :mrgreen:
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The two hooks on the rear of a three point really anchor around the bridge posts that have a wider screw head. All the string pull is being transferred to the posts. With the Two point bridge aka Evertilt the bridge just rests on the manchet (flange?) of the string posts. The string posts of the Evertilt don't have the wider screw head. So if the string pulls the bridge, those forces are not being transferred to the posts. The only thing that will move is the bridge itself.
With the string posts being too narrow to make a real tight fit for the bridge itself the bridge has room to wiggle. The hex screws on the back of the bridge are meant to secure the bridge. But these are often overlooked because they are so well hidden.
The best solution for the Evertilt is to make new bridge posts that are a bit wider. I've also been using pipefitters tape to make a snug fit between bridge and posts.
On my 1969 Les Paul Bass I have placed a small dome head screw right in the middle under the front side of the bridge. This prevents the bridge from tilting forward. Making it a three point of sorts ;-)
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Makes sense. The design of the Hipshot and Babicz prevent that from happening, and the 2-point Hipshot can't tilt.
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Mind you, and all without a semblance of a string holder!
(https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/99/86/81/500_F_99868103_YiCH3dqX2EvhYGcKTT22KgJaYEPUimH6.jpg)
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Mind you, and all without a semblance of a string holder!
(https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/99/86/81/500_F_99868103_YiCH3dqX2EvhYGcKTT22KgJaYEPUimH6.jpg)
Not a lot of support there! :-*
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It has that in common with the two point bridge, doesn't it?
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It has that in common with the two point bridge, doesn't it?
Touche, sir! ;D
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First of all, a proper thong is far more 3-point if you really spend some time thinking about it. If youre looking for an undergarment equivalent if the 2-point I think the C-string is a much better representation.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliegerstein/the-c-string-makes-the-average-thong-look-like-granny-pantie?utm_term=.ghlPEbOnnx#.uhY4zZJ11y
Edit, I honestly thought this was the thunderbird video thread when I posted the below video. I normally would never post in an epiphone thread ;D
And second, I apologize if I've already posted this but I saw this video tonight and thought is was worth a re-spin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK6MElklfvM
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C-string? "Honey, I told you not to force the shoehorn too much again and bend it like that!" 8)
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That just looks like a badly matted up beaver....... :rolleyes:
No thanks!
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Here I was trying to sell basses and now I'm interested in one of these. Damn it.
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Admit it, Denis, you've already decided to buy one.
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No!
If these are anywhere as near as good as what's claimed in the earlier videos, then the old bolt-on neck Epi Tbirds will pretty much become worthless.
And I think that because these are coming out, there was zero interest in my Japanese market Epi Thunderbird.
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No!
If these are anywhere as near as good as what's claimed in the earlier videos, then the old bolt-on neck Epi Tbirds will pretty much become worthless.
And I think that because these are coming out, there was zero interest in my Japanese market Epi Thunderbird.
On the first point, I don't think so. Guys with hands the size of a baseball glove will always appreciate the generally hefty quality of the bolt-on Epi's neck profile, not to mention the budget pricing. I will likely put my own b/o Thunderbird up for sale, though, so I guess we'll find out...
On the second point, you could be right.
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No!
If these are anywhere as near as good as what's claimed in the earlier videos, then the old bolt-on neck Epi Tbirds will pretty much become worthless.
And I think that because these are coming out, there was zero interest in my Japanese market Epi Thunderbird.
Yes, I have been wondering whether these would impact the value of Greco Birds.
They, of course, have a heftier neck and a more 70s TBird spec.
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Right now I am more tempted by the EPI Classic IV Pro...
Through body guitar...
USA Gibson Pups...
Isn't it pretty much a real bird?...am I missing something?
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USA Gibson Pups...
I don't think so.
More likely Hong Kong
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Right now I am more tempted by the EPI Classic IV Pro...
Through body guitar...
USA Gibson Pups...
Isn't it pretty much a real bird?...am I missing something?
It is, I don't think the wood is of the same quality as Gibson, but otherwise the construction is the same and the pickups are what Gibson uses, U.S. made.
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The Gibson TB-Plus pickups are machine wound. If they were MIC using identical materials and specs, would it matter? The automatic winding machine wouldn't know where it's located. Likewise for the upcoming Vintage PRO; what will matter is what they'll sound like. Good or bad, they won't sound any better if they were MIA with the same materials and specs.
Wood is a different mater. AFAIK no Asian instruments have ever claimed to use genuine mahogany. That's not to say that you would notice a tonal difference, you'd have to compare for yourself. OTOH Gibson has reportedly used plantation grown genuine (Honduras) mahogany from Fiji in all but a few Gibson Custom models since 2008. I doubt this wood is identical the same species harvested from Central and South American forests.
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Ah, I thought you guys were talking about the new Epiphone Thunderbird; the Vintage Pro. (after all that is what this topic is about isn't it?)
The Vintage Pro has Epiphone ProBucker™ Bass #760 Humbuckers. Which look (and probably are) exactly the same as the Hong Kong buckers from EYguitarmusic.
The Classic Pro indeed has Gibson TB Plus™ humbuckers
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Ah, I thought you guys were talking about the new Epiphone Thunderbird; the Vintage Pro. (after all that is what this topic is about isn't it?)
The Vintage Pro has Epiphone ProBucker™ Bass #760 Humbuckers. Which look (and probably are) exactly the same as the Hong Kong buckers from EYguitarmusic.
The Classic Pro indeed has Gibson TB Plus™ humbuckers
We have been talking about the Vintage Pro. Pat just said he was leaning toward the Classic Pro.
The new ProBuckers may turn out to be clones of the Hong Kong buckers but I doubt they come from the same place. Epi will probably make them in-house.
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But 'in-house' for Epi is still a factory in China, so what's the diff :P
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But 'in-house' for Epi is still a factory in China, so what's the diff :P
Could be no difference at all. OTOH they may not be true clones.
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Epi will probably make them in-house.
As far as I know Epiphone doesn't make pickups in-house.
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I'm looking forward to doing a side-by side comparison of all my birdies when the V-Pro finally shows up - even though I'm lacking anything pre-'76.
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As far as I know Epiphone doesn't make pickups in-house.
I'm reasonably sure they do. Reading their press releases for their guitar pickups, I've certainly gotten that impression. Gibson makes almost all the pickups in their guitars in house.
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Years ago, when I was working on the Non Reverse Thunderbird with BaCH we were looking for some kind of low budget humbucker to put in the bass. All participants were going to replace them anyway, so there was no need to use anything special. So we used an Artec. One of many manufacturers in that region.
Roman (BaCH) told me one of the manufacturers was supplier for Epiphone. Epiphone does not make parts like these themselves. They like to keep it a secret. But just like all other parts (potentiometers, tuners, strings, knobs et cetera) they just buy their pickups off specialized manufacturers.
Same goes for Squier.
Makes perfect sense to me.
But hey. I've never been to China nor South Korea to take a look ???
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I'm reasonably sure they do. Reading their press releases for their guitar pickups, I've certainly gotten that impression.
I think they just make the pickups for the expensive/new models, and just buy the pickups for the cheaper models from Artec/whatever.
Gibson makes almost all the pickups in their guitars in house.
Well that explains why almost all new les paul guitars are loaded with overwound one trick ponies, that most people want to get rid of!
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Years ago, when I was working on the Non Reverse Thunderbird with BaCH we were looking for some kind of low budget humbucker to put in the bass. All participants were going to replace them anyway, so there was no need to use anything special. So we used an Artec. One of many manufacturers in that region.
Roman (BaCH) told me one of the manufacturers was supplier for Epiphone. Epiphone does not make parts like these themselves. They like to keep it a secret. But just like all other parts (potentiometers, tuners, strings, knobs et cetera) they just buy their pickups off specialized manufacturers.
Same goes for Squier.
Makes perfect sense to me.
But hey. I've never been to China nor South Korea to take a look ???
That was years ago. Back then, Gibson had bought its first Chinese factory (called Gibson Qingdao) but hadn't finished building the much larger second factory (called Epiphone Qingdao). I'm not sure they make pickups there, but Epi has too many specialized guitar pickups that are carefully designed after their US equivalents for me to believe that they just buy them from someone else.
From the 2013 introduction to the ProBucker guitar pickups:
For Richard Akers, Epiphone's Director of Research and Development, securing Epiphone a place in the crowded race to produce a great Patent Applied For-style humbucker was the ultimate design challenge.
"The new ProBucker™ pickups are not just slight improvements over previously produced pickups. They were completely designed here in Nashville and tooled from the ground-up at a new factory dedicated to high end pickup production," said Akers. "These pickups use only the highest quality components and are based on the most sought after humbuckers of Gibson's history. I spent many, many hours making sure these came out great and I am really happy with the results. They sound fantastic."
Not proof, but close enough for me to believe that they're making their own now.
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The ProBucker is more of an exception I think.
The rest of your argument looks more like roaring marketing talk to me. ;)
Anput the sixties repro humbuckers. It would be very unlogical if a Chinese made sixties repro pickup pops up on the market out of the blue, and a couple of months later Epiphone announces a new bass with pickups that seem to be exactly the same. And not have them manufactured in the same place.
But hey, as long as we don't hear from the horses mouth we may all be wrong! 8)
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Press releases are marketing talk, no question about that. Still, I find it easy to believe they have an R&D manager and hard to believe that they would lie about that new factory. Of course it's possible that the factory belongs to someone else, but if so, they're making these pickups to Epi's specifications. And it's not just the ProBucker. The Pro P90 and the Ceramic Plus were also introduced at the same time as part of the same line, and there are variations of the ProBucker. AFAIK you can't buy them elsewhere.
We'll just have to see about these when they get here. I can't make conclusions based on looks.
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It does not take a lot of space to make these things... could be some Chinese shed or garage in downtown Beijing... ;)
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It does not take a lot of space to make these things... could be some Chinese shed or garage in downtown Beijing... ;)
No way. Pickup factories aren't big but no way an international corporation with two modern Chinese factories would be buying pickups out of a shed or garage. It's 2017, not 1977.
2016 tour of Epiphone Qingdao factory. In Japanese since it was made for a Japanese distributor, with some remarks in English. Thunderbirds are made in this plant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRczd_ZEf4E
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I'll vote for Dave as Henry's replacement... ;)
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I'll vote for Dave as Henry's replacement... ;)
LOL! Just pointing out that times have changed in China. Now if Epi would only get out of the sub-$200 crap and use bridge studs that won't pull out...
If I ran Gibson, there would be more basses, a hell of a lot fewer variations of Les Paul models, and everything would be made to the same standard of materials and workmanship.
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Go Dave! If there are any Gibson folk lurking here you probably gave them palpitations! They sure seem to be allergic to sense lately.
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Fascinating video, thanks for posting that Dave.
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Kind of odd that the video covers pretty much all of the guitar construction phases - in two different factories - with the exception of the pickups. Unless I missed something, the only place you see them addressed is on that big board - which I assume is a legend or key for the parts bins.
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Kind of odd that the video covers pretty much all of the guitar construction phases - in two different factories - with the exception of the pickups. Unless I missed something, the only place you see them addressed is on that big board - which I assume is a legend or key for the parts bins.
If their pickups are being produced at a new factory dedicated to pickup production (per the press release above) then they aren't being made at this factory.
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Ah, I thought you guys were talking about the new Epiphone Thunderbird; the Vintage Pro. (after all that is what this topic is about isn't it?)
The Vintage Pro has Epiphone ProBucker™ Bass #760 Humbuckers. Which look (and probably are) exactly the same as the Hong Kong buckers from EYguitarmusic.
The Classic Pro indeed has Gibson TB Plus™ humbuckers
I'm hoping one if you early adopters will compare the pickups so I know which way to jump.
Vintage or Classic or 2nd hand Orville/Elitist/Greco.
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I'll vote for Dave as Henry's replacement... ;)
Me too, if he promises he will be gentle to the dark side of hardware... :P
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Dave, those videos are fascinating. But...
I've got a guitar playing buddy who insists that most non-custom shop Gibsons are being made in China and then shipped over here for final setup, with "Made in USA" being a total lie on their part. Some guy who he talked to a couple years ago told him he'd been over there setting up the factories, and that once they got them up to speed they started doing all their production line stuff there. I always thought my friend was nuts, but those factory videos could explain what the guy was really talking about, or maybe give credence to the claim! :mrgreen:
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Dave, those videos are fascinating. But...
I've got a guitar playing buddy who insists that most non-custom shop Gibsons are being made in China and then shipped over here for final setup, with "Made in USA" being a total lie on their part. Some guy who he talked to a couple years ago told him he'd been over there setting up the factories, and that once they got them up to speed they started doing all their production line stuff there. I always thought my friend was nuts, but those factory videos could explain what the guy was really talking about, or maybe give credence to the claim! :mrgreen:
These videos are all faked! Just like the moon landing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbU1R4KDymw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm-_pUsHirw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp4D6KmjtoI
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These videos are all faked! Just like the moon landing!
;D Perfect. And links to send my buddy!