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Title: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 17, 2017, 08:21:14 AM
Chris asked me to post some great news from Epiphone:

(http://www.thegibsonbassbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/embassyreissue.jpg)

(http://www.thegibsonbassbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/sixtiesbird-2017.jpg)


Wow!


Embassy will retail for $ 696
TBird will retail for $ 995

And a hollow body bass is announced too...
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 17, 2017, 08:38:51 AM
Here's the hollow body

(http://www.thegibsonbassbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/masterbuilt-bass.jpg)

Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: neepheid on January 17, 2017, 09:00:11 AM
Nice!  I think I would have preferred the 4 in line batwing headstock on the Embassy, but nice to see Epiphone doing some (more) cool stuff :)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 4stringer77 on January 17, 2017, 09:05:40 AM
Wowzer! Wonder if those are the same pickups as the Chinabuckers. Interesting new take on the Embassy. Let's hope they got the bridge in the right spot this time.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Pilgrim on January 17, 2017, 09:06:53 AM
Looks like they're willing to do a lot more with the Epi line than the Gibson line.

Doesn't hurt my feelings, as that also means the instruments will be more affordable.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on January 17, 2017, 09:32:45 AM
The Krome Klux Klan here will be wetting their bedsheets!

(http://i.imgur.com/Kig7qJr.gif)

But all three of them look cute.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 17, 2017, 09:43:18 AM
Looks more like nickel to me. (More yellow than blue)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on January 17, 2017, 10:14:09 AM


 I just messed myself!  :-* 



better hose off before my dainties stick to me
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Granny Gremlin on January 17, 2017, 10:15:03 AM
Nice!  I think I would have preferred the 4 in line batwing headstock on the Embassy, but nice to see Epiphone doing some (more) cool stuff :)

Yes, it's a shame (it looked cooler) but probably wise considering that headstock (4 in line _ swept) was the cause of many a neck break as well as difficulty finding a case that fits.

The Krome Klux Klan here will be wetting their bedsheets!

NICKEL, you barbarian; NICKELLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!

Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: veebass on January 17, 2017, 11:28:46 AM
Well I know where my pennies will be going come July- one of those TBirds in white.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on January 17, 2017, 01:10:54 PM
Pah, nickel or chrome, what do I care. My sympathies lie elsewhere.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/95/6e/2e/956e2e5aad28b04b48c46da5a880c4f0.jpg)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on January 17, 2017, 02:34:48 PM
They look nice, no doubt about that, and they look like the originals, or close enough. But are they Chinese? Will enough people pay $1000 for a Chinese bass, especially when the TBird Pro was half that price? And why is the TBird that much more expensive than the Embassy? IMHO a Korean-built bass would be much easier to sell at those prices.

In the discussion of the 2017 EB Bass, didn't Chris say that Gibson would have new bass models coming out for the 2018 model year? I hope these three aren't the only ones. Gibson needs at least one traditional USA bass.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 17, 2017, 02:50:01 PM
And why is the TBird that much more expensive than the Embassy?

The lamination of the neck piece is more time consuming I guess.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 66Atlas on January 17, 2017, 04:20:47 PM
I bet the intonation is accurate and therefore a complete failure of a Gibson replica.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on January 17, 2017, 05:14:38 PM
Pah, nickel or chrome, what do I care. My sympathies lie elsewhere.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/95/6e/2e/956e2e5aad28b04b48c46da5a880c4f0.jpg)

 I'm going to chat with Sweetwater, if you want one, let me know. 
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: lowend1 on January 17, 2017, 05:59:10 PM
I hope that they addressed the T-Bird intonation problems, given the retro bridge choice. Also, it sez that it replaces the Classic IV Pro - are they using the modified cutaway or returning to the original?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Aussie Mark on January 17, 2017, 06:19:43 PM
I see an Embassy in my future.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Highlander on January 18, 2017, 12:59:02 AM
... like Julian Assange...? ;)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: godofthunder on January 18, 2017, 05:10:58 AM
   If these are anything like the classic pro they will be winner's!  The Tbird looks absolutely stunning. Not sure about the bonner Embassy.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: BIONIC-JOE on January 18, 2017, 05:13:19 AM
The thing I don't like about the Classic Pro is the modified cutaway.... I wonder if anyone from Epiphone saw Scott's Butcher Bird when they designed that bass???? all 3 basses Look Like winners... About Damn time!!! I may just have to get one of those!!!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: godofthunder on January 18, 2017, 05:19:20 AM
   The new Tbirds will intonate just fine, definitely more travel than a 60's bridge. Wonder where they got that idea?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 4stringer77 on January 18, 2017, 05:44:11 AM
The Krome Klux Klan here will be wetting their bedsheets!

(http://i.imgur.com/Kig7qJr.gif)

But all three of them look cute.
Which one will be the master finish? The white just needs a couple blue racing stripes and a Star of David to make everything Kosher. The Scooby Doo sunburst is the mutt of the bunch, mocking the purity of the other finishes.
Slightly more concerning is the Embassy which faces us with it's alt right horn raised high in salute and clad in either nationalist red, Hugo boss black or Communist China yellow. How did Uwe miss it?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: dadagoboi on January 18, 2017, 06:44:58 AM
Price seems high for an alternate hardware/pickup package that should AT MOST cost Epi/Gibson $100.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: lowend1 on January 18, 2017, 07:41:01 AM
Price seems high for an alternate hardware/pickup package that should AT MOST cost Epi/Gibson $100.

I could be wrong, but it looks like they also (finally!) went back to the big headstock, while still using the small shaft girlie tuners. At least they're cloverleafs.
I gotta sell a few things to make room for a sunburst...
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: lowend1 on January 18, 2017, 08:10:51 AM
The lamination of the neck piece is more time consuming I guess.
The Classic IV Pro requires the same construction techniques, has a list price of $915, and typically sells here in the US for $499-$549. I'm willing to be that this one will end up going for around $600. Especially since they are apparently killing off the C-IV Pro.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: slinkp on January 18, 2017, 08:41:18 AM
It will be interesting to hear what those "ProBucker 760" sound like!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: planetgaffnet on January 18, 2017, 08:54:11 AM
It will be interesting to hear what those "ProBucker 760" sound like!

It's interesting...the only bass I've ever owned out of the box that sounded distinctly different to any of the others was a Rickenbacker 4003 and even after about fifteen minutes of dialling in my tone it sounded virtually the same as the rest of them.  That's the thing; I know what my tone should sound like and I've kind of known that for 25 years or more, so my expectation of that gritty Geddy Lee/Jean Jacques Burnel sound will always be there.  I have a £25 Aria Primary and a £3.2K Lull (and a few in between), they all sound fairly similar once I've had a noodle 'n tweak.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: gearHed289 on January 18, 2017, 09:27:31 AM
But are they Chinese? Will enough people pay $1000 for a Chinese bass, especially when the TBird Pro was half that price? And why is the TBird that much more expensive than the Embassy? IMHO a Korean-built bass would be much easier to sell at those prices.

In the discussion of the 2017 EB Bass, didn't Chris say that Gibson would have new bass models coming out for the 2018 model year? I hope these three aren't the only ones. Gibson needs at least one traditional USA bass.

I agree about the country of origin.

Maybe Epi is the new bass division of Gibson?

It's interesting...the only bass I've ever owned out of the box that sounded distinctly different to any of the others was a Rickenbacker 4003 and even after about fifteen minutes of dialling in my tone it sounded virtually the same as the rest of them.  That's the thing; I know what my tone should sound like and I've kind of known that for 25 years or more, so my expectation of that gritty Geddy Lee/Jean Jacques Burnel sound will always be there.  I have a £25 Aria Primary and a £3.2K Lull (and a few in between), they all sound fairly similar once I've had a noodle 'n tweak.

Buzz kill!  ;)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: slinkp on January 18, 2017, 09:39:01 AM
It's interesting...the only bass I've ever owned out of the box that sounded distinctly different to any of the others was a Rickenbacker 4003 and even after about fifteen minutes of dialling in my tone it sounded virtually the same as the rest of them.  That's the thing; I know what my tone should sound like and I've kind of known that for 25 years or more, so my expectation of that gritty Geddy Lee/Jean Jacques Burnel sound will always be there.  I have a £25 Aria Primary and a £3.2K Lull (and a few in between), they all sound fairly similar once I've had a noodle 'n tweak.

Heh. I kind of know what you mean - I sound like myself no matter what I play --  but on the other hand, of the four basses I currently have, the two that are closest together are the Gibson LPB-1 and the Greco Thunderbird, and to me even those are pretty different - the Greco has a lot more in the medium-low mids, the LPB has more articulate lows. The other two (Ibanez Blazer with Alembic P/J activators, Danelectro DC reissue) sound nothing like each other and nothing like the Gibson-ish instruments.  Sure, I sound like myself on any of them, and given enough EQ I can get something to work ... but I still care :)

I also had and sold an EB-0 and it sounded nothing whatsoever like any of the others :-p
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on January 18, 2017, 12:16:48 PM
Price seems high for an alternate hardware/pickup package that should AT MOST cost Epi/Gibson $100.

At most. If it's all MIC, their cost is probably half that.

The Classic IV Pro requires the same construction techniques, has a list price of $915, and typically sells here in the US for $499-$549. I'm willing to be that this one will end up going for around $600. Especially since they are apparently killing off the C-IV Pro.

That would make more sense, assuming it's MIC. But the prices Rob quoted are supposedly what it will retail for. We'll see.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: tore00 on January 18, 2017, 01:11:36 PM
I must resist! I hope that will be like my love story with a 1967 lady. I resisted to buy a reissue of the Guild Starfire to meet the lady that I mentioned in my other posts. Hope that the story will end in the same way, when I bought a 1967 Starfire at the same price of a reissue
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: dadagoboi on January 18, 2017, 01:23:45 PM
At most. If it's all MIC, their cost is probably half that.

Definitely Dave.  Pickups, bridge and tuners are MIC.  I was being conservative, most on this forum don't seem to have a clue how much stuff costs.

My former partner, who still manufactures in China and is part owner of three factories there, told me last week he anticipates higher material and labor costs as well as stiffer environmental rules in 2017.  So higher prices on Chinese goods make sense, but almost doubling US street prices for a mildly redesigned product seems out of line to me.  Especially with the yuan/dollar exchange rate at an almost eight year low.

I must resist! I hope that will be like my love story with a 1967 lady. I resisted to buy a reissue of the Guild Starfire to meet the lady that I mentioned in my other posts. Hope that the story will end in the same way, when I bought a 1967 Starfire at the same price of a reissue

Good luck with that!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: tore00 on January 18, 2017, 01:44:28 PM
It happened to me twice! I have bought my 1968 EB0 for the equivalent of 50 $ back in 1989 and the the Guild Starfire.
In Italy we say there is no two without three...
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: lowend1 on January 18, 2017, 02:05:32 PM
That would make more sense, assuming it's MIC. But the prices Rob quoted are supposedly what it will retail for. We'll see.

I can't see them blowing a hole in the product line at a sensible price point (killing the C-IV Pro) to create a new, higher priced model of something that has a niche market. Despite Gibson's inherent silliness with their bass line, Epiphone has always been pretty much on the mark.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Highlander on January 18, 2017, 02:25:40 PM
Referencing the Chinese TB pups a lot of us purchased... would be fascinating to discover if these are the new pups and we've been the market-research for Epi/Gibbie... :vader:

Once one of us gets one of these beasties someone will be able to compare them...
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: RedVee on January 19, 2017, 01:38:59 AM
I'm keen to read some reviews once they hit the market. And maybe a comparison with the Classic.

I really like ebony Thunderbirds..,,
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 4stringer77 on January 19, 2017, 06:24:48 AM
July is a long ways off. A review of the Korina Explorer would be nice in the meantime.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on January 19, 2017, 07:24:01 AM
If the pups are indeed Chinese, I'm afraid prices will go up until summer, with the new tariffs and all.  :popcorn:

Well, at least they actually did pay for their wall.  :mrgreen:

(http://www.bionic-ads.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/chinese-wall.jpg)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 4stringer77 on January 19, 2017, 08:10:03 AM
I wasn't going to say it Uwe, but you could be right. At least it would give Gibson the opportunity to sell a made in America bass at a competitive price. Besides, who really wants to see Epiphone on the headstock of their 60's reissue Thunderbird?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on January 19, 2017, 09:10:18 AM
If these things sell well, it might incentivize Gibson USA to produce that all-thought-consuming fetish fantasy of this forum: the true reissue of a 60ies TBird. A prospect that leaves me unexcited personally, but since I know how my brethren crave for it, you have my unadulterated support!  8)

To me, the best, most refined TBird ever built in series is/was the 2015 TB with the DeCola pups, plek'ed frets and the Babicz bridge. It also epitomizes to me how you can gently modernize something, yet still stay true to the original spirit. But of course not with you reactionary lot, you TBird Amish!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 66Atlas on January 19, 2017, 09:58:40 AM
I can get over the headstock on the Embassy, but why they heck did they change the upper horn? looks odd to me.  A little too phallic  :o
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on January 19, 2017, 10:06:02 AM


 I ordered a white Bird from Sweetwater today   :-*
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 19, 2017, 10:40:19 AM
The new Epiphone Classic Pro Thunderbird takes over some of their own Gibson market.
So they need to set up a line above that to justify more expensive bass guitars that are basically the same.
Enter the vintage correct slightly reliced Thunderbird. Made in the USA for people who want to pay $3000 for a new Thunderbird.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 4stringer77 on January 19, 2017, 10:46:04 AM
I can get over the headstock on the Embassy, but why they heck did they change the upper horn? looks odd to me.  A little too phallic  :o
The people who gripe about neck dive can be held directly responsible.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on January 19, 2017, 11:07:47 AM
I wonder if there were ever Embassy basses - like there were Newports - that did not have the batwing headstock, but the then more trad. Epi 2+2 one?

The concept of anything being "a little too phallic" is anathema to me. I am the owner of a  :gay: Warwick  :gay: Fortress Flashback!

(http://www.warwick.de/warwick/data/Warwick.de/Warwick/Discontinued/Fortress/OldFortressFlashback.jpg)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: veebass on January 19, 2017, 11:30:22 AM

 I ordered a white Bird from Sweetwater today   :-*

Which model, Mark?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 19, 2017, 11:35:27 AM
I wonder if there were ever Embassy basses - like there were Newports -that did not have the batwing headstock, but the then more trad. Epi 2+2 one

FrankieTbird has one. :-)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: veebass on January 19, 2017, 11:39:59 AM
If the pups are indeed Chinese, I'm afraid prices will go up until summer, with the new tariffs and all.  :popcorn:

Well, at least they actually did pay for their wall.  :mrgreen:

(http://www.bionic-ads.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/chinese-wall.jpg)

Yes, I was wondering about things along those lines.
Not that anyone knows precisely what he is going to do, but if the Prezelect unleashes his pet Tariffosaurus on stuff coming into the States, you would expect the price of Epis, Squiers, MIM Fenders etc etc to rise there.
I was wondering whether it would directly impact the prices here in OZ. Do Epis on their way to the Australian, Asian or European markets even go through the States, or do they ship direct to Australia/ European importers? Anyone know?
To further complicate matters we (Oz) have free trade deals with both USA, South Korea and China.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: dadagoboi on January 19, 2017, 12:06:34 PM
Those tariffs will kick in right after Mexico pays for the wall that's never going to be built.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on January 19, 2017, 12:16:09 PM
If the wall is built, I'm going into the tall ladder business.

The 2015 TBird might have sold better if Gibson hadn't jacked up the price by 60%.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on January 19, 2017, 12:28:11 PM
True - that was hefty.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: copacetic on January 19, 2017, 02:44:25 PM
Yes heftier price. All around the pickups, electronics, Babicz bridge and thicker Rosewood fingerboard added up but not to the 60%. I like the '15 enough to have let go of 2 of my other Gibson TBIV's and a Very nice Precision. The '15 covered a lot of tonal areas enough to prompt this lessening of my collizione. Yes Chinese made anything is on a steep surge and Epiphone will have to eventually end up being made in Africa. I manufacture in Japan for the most part and some of the resources are sourced from China, however in the last few years because of the cost increases in China the equivalent cost wise are reverted back to Japan and Thailand (for fabrics). China is not in the mix any more from where we are concerned and a lot of others as we are seeing.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 66Atlas on January 19, 2017, 04:33:39 PM
FrankieTbird has one. :-)

It has chinabuckers too, almost like its the protoype of the modern day version.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Pilgrim on January 19, 2017, 05:15:47 PM

 I ordered a white Bird from Sweetwater today   :-*

I'd say you need a white Subaru to go with it, but then you'd need a stack of Subarus to color match your bass-o-the-day.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on January 20, 2017, 07:45:40 AM
Yes heftier price. All around the pickups, electronics, Babicz bridge and thicker Rosewood fingerboard added up but not to the 60%. I like the '15 enough to have let go of 2 of my other Gibson TBIV's and a Very nice Precision. The '15 covered a lot of tonal areas enough to prompt this lessening of my collizione. Yes Chinese made anything is on a steep surge and Epiphone will have to eventually end up being made in Africa. I manufacture in Japan for the most part and some of the resources are sourced from China, however in the last few years because of the cost increases in China the equivalent cost wise are reverted back to Japan and Thailand (for fabrics). China is not in the mix any more from where we are concerned and a lot of others as we are seeing.

The same pickups and electronics were in the 2013-14 EB Bass which was priced at $1089 in 2014.

The Thunderbird was $1499 in 2013 and jacked up to $2179 in 2014 despite no changes. How can that be justified? Then to $2599 with the 2015 changes. No surprise that sales fell.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: gearHed289 on January 20, 2017, 08:13:18 AM
To me, the best, most refined TBird ever built in series is/was the 2015 TB with the DeCola pups, plek'ed frets and the Babicz bridge. It also epitomizes to me how you can gently modernize something, yet still stay true to the original spirit. But of course not with you reactionary lot, you TBird Amish!  :mrgreen:

Us car guys call that a "restomod".  8)

Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: FrankieTbird on January 20, 2017, 02:43:23 PM
Us car guys call that a "restomod".  8)

Nope, for a "restomod", you have to start with something old.  The '15 T-bird is more like a new Camaro or Challenger.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on January 20, 2017, 07:54:18 PM
I thought a restomod had to be not in working order. You know, like a three-point bridge.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: clankenstein on January 21, 2017, 05:07:31 AM
A 3 point bridge is not working as soon as you take the strings because you will be looking around the floor for the saddles.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Highlander on January 21, 2017, 06:59:33 AM
Nothing a bit of araldite won't sort... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: doombass on January 21, 2017, 09:37:27 AM
Out of curiosity I happened to stumble across this from a 10 months old tweet (it even specifies a special 2016 plate on the back of headstock). Must have kept itself under our radar or have I missed something here? Notice the one piece bridge and four control knobs/jack on the side. Seems like the Embassy has been in the works for a while and someone happened to reveal this prototype (?):
https://tiendamusicasa.com/2016/03/19/bajo-epiphone-embassy-pro-bass/ (https://tiendamusicasa.com/2016/03/19/bajo-epiphone-embassy-pro-bass/)
(https://musicasa.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/bajo-epiphone-embassy-pro-bass-2016modelpreview-010516-r1-19.jpg)

Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 21, 2017, 10:19:53 AM
Wow, we must have overlooked that collectively, yes.
It even has the longer upper phallus horn...

And obviously the spanish division has some problems with maths...
Quote
La configuración del clavijero 3+3 en la pala ofrece mejor balance

But cool nonetheless.


The photo looks like a Photoshop mockup.
The nickel pickups look dull/weathered.
The pickguard looks yellowed
The bridge doesn't match the strings.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: doombass on January 22, 2017, 06:03:44 AM
You're right. I actually noticed the dullness of the pickups but thought it was a reflection of sorts. So a photoshop prototype. Maybe that's how they start when a new idea pops up?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: eb2 on January 22, 2017, 06:55:35 AM
These things look interesting. Thankfully in the future I can quit toying with the idea of a used Monkey bass and look for one of these in the $400 range. If there can be a vast cottage industry of reranch fans converting Schlepiphone Les Paul's and SGs into Fooled ya level Gibsons, then I'll be glad to rasp out a grafted on batwing to one of these Almost-embassies. One of each, and I'll while away the hours in the senior living apartment!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 66Atlas on January 22, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
I like that metal Epiphone badge, they should have stuck with that.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 22, 2017, 09:03:31 AM
Anything for a proper neckdive, eh?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: lowend1 on January 22, 2017, 09:49:29 AM
Anything for a proper neckdive, eh?  :mrgreen:

It's for sustain.  ??? ;D Like these:
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t565/roquefort2000/FATHEAD/FATHEAD_zpsb413d881.jpg) (http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/roquefort2000/media/FATHEAD/FATHEAD_zpsb413d881.jpg.html)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 22, 2017, 10:00:09 AM
Haha! :toast:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 66Atlas on January 22, 2017, 10:20:18 AM
Pish-posh.  Just tie a few helium filled balloons to the headstock and all problems are solved.  It's functional and festive!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: gearHed289 on January 22, 2017, 11:52:09 AM
How many of you guys are going to be shaving down those upper horns?  ;D
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: neepheid on January 23, 2017, 03:16:25 AM
I'm out, I've had a think about it and I've come to the conclusion that I don't care about the top horn of the Embassy, but I do not like the headstock - if it had a batwing it would have been a case of shut up and take my money.  "What a shame", said everyone in neepheid Inc. except for the finance department.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 23, 2017, 04:57:13 AM
And I'm still wondering what we are overlooking with that Pro Vintage Thunderbird. They must have f•cked up somewhere?!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: veebass on January 23, 2017, 12:05:31 PM
And I'm still wondering what we are overlooking with that Pro Vintage Thunderbird. They must have f•cked up somewhere?!

The neck pickup position by the look of it, but I can live with that.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 23, 2017, 01:59:53 PM
Here's a cool video that Chris did. It's all in Dutch but nonetheless still cool  8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhgbUFeoNv0
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Highlander on January 23, 2017, 02:25:15 PM
And I'm still wondering what we are overlooking with that Pro Vintage Thunderbird. They must have f•cked up somewhere?!

I wonder who'll be the first to snap a head off, being a faithful reproduction, of course... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 24, 2017, 12:41:10 AM
Now that they have developed that two piece bridge, they might as well do a proper NR Tbird don't you think?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: clankenstein on January 24, 2017, 02:09:38 AM
Well that would be nice.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Chris P. on January 24, 2017, 03:11:40 AM
I talked to my Gibson rep and he said we don't have to expect anything bass from Gibson this year. 'Maybe a special run'. I know from the Memphis people from years ago, that they bought an old EB2 to get a reissue right, but nothing about that. This UK rep told me we could expect from Epiphone more, but strangely enough he knew nothing about the Embassy and Tbird (?!?!) while my Dutch rep send the pictures.... They weren't at the NAMM.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Chris P. on January 25, 2017, 05:06:11 AM
Just heard the Epiphones are 2018 models and are expected this summer. Patience.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 25, 2017, 05:46:48 AM
Makes me wonder of these are the "three new Gibson 2018 bass models" that the guys at Gibson Amsterdam were talking about a few months ago?
Most likely, yes.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on January 25, 2017, 08:18:08 AM
Just heard the Epiphones are 2018 models and are expected this summer. Patience.

Summer you say? By that time trade with Red China will have come to an end.

Unless Epi builds a new factory in Taiwan.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on January 25, 2017, 08:33:55 AM
Makes me wonder of these are the "three new Gibson 2018 bass models" that the guys at Gibson Amsterdam were talking about a few months ago?
Most likely, yes.

I thought the same thing. OTOH with Gibson you never know what to think until a model is actually available for sale online or in stores.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Chris P. on January 25, 2017, 08:46:40 AM
Can't remember if I told this (jet lag-ish) but we don't have to expect new Gibson basses soon, but more Epiphones than this three. But the fact my British contact didn't really knew about those three, maybe not, haha. And no word about the EB2 they promised years ago.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 4stringer77 on January 25, 2017, 10:25:27 AM
Summer you say? By that time trade with Red China will have come to an end.

Unless Epi builds a new factory in Taiwan.  :mrgreen:

All the more reason for Gibson to produce the reissue Thunderbirds in the U.S.A., and while they're at it, offer them in a single pickup configuration along with the period correct custom color of your choice. Trade war with China is still better than the alternative, which was war with Russia. Not too many basses are getting made period if that happened.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on January 26, 2017, 05:22:40 AM
I come from a country where our experiences with wars with Russia (started by us, not them) were very sobering. Generally not a good idea. Decline of the relations with Russia was the previous Administration's biggest gaffe IMHO.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: dadagoboi on January 26, 2017, 07:08:17 AM
I come from a country where our experiences with wars with Russia (started by us, not them) were very sobering. Generally not a good idea. Decline of the relations with Russia was the previous Administration's biggest gaffe IMHO.

Yeah, it will work out much better if we demonize China instead.  They've been content to buy instead of bomb for everything they want.  But they will definitely fight over Taiwan if it comes to that, and most of the world will be behind them.  They've improved the standard of living and infrastructure in every country they've had dealings with.  They are also a very united and patriotic people who take a long view of circumstances....and there's 1.5 billion of them.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 4stringer77 on January 26, 2017, 08:33:49 AM
A military engagement with China wouldn't be pretty. I think they'd prefer to negotiate with their biggest customer instead. The President will work something out, he wrote the art of the deal after all.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/11/28/mosher-trump-will-win-trade-war-china/
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on January 26, 2017, 12:27:31 PM
Yeah, it will work out much better if we demonize China instead.  They've been content to buy instead of bomb for everything they want.  But they will definitely fight over Taiwan if it comes to that, and most of the world will be behind them.  They've improved the standard of living and infrastructure in every country they've had dealings with.  They are also a very united and patriotic people who take a long view of circumstances....and there's 1.5 billion of them.

I didn't say that. I'm not Asia-phobic at all and while China is no postcard democracy, I admire how far they got their country (ravaged by the Sino-Japanese War and carved up by Western colonial powers) within 70 years or so. I'm not even a Dalai Lama fanboy: Anybody that decreased the infant death rate and increased the literacy rate in Tibet as much as the Chinese did, can close more than a few temples in my agnostic, deeply anti-esoteric book. Opium for the masses ... There I said it!

I even drive a Chinese car. Has Volvo gotten better since the Chinese bought them from Ford? No two ways about it. This is from someone who has been driving all sorts of Volvos for more than 25 years. My new one is vely state-of-the-alt, gleat cal!!!

(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2017-Volvo-V90-1071-876x535.jpg)

Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: dadagoboi on January 26, 2017, 01:49:29 PM
I didn't say that. I'm not Asia-phobic at all and while China is no postcard democracy, I admire how far they got their country (ravaged by the Sino-Japanese War and carved up by Western colonial powers) within 70 years or so. I'm not even a Dalai Lama fanboy: Anybody that decreased the infant death rate and increased the literacy rate in Tibet as much as the Chinese did, can close more than a few temples in my agnostic, deeply anti-esoteric book. Opium for the masses ... There I said it!

I even drive a Chinese car. Has Volvo gotten better since the Chinese bought them from Ford? No two ways about it. This is from someone who has been driving all sorts of Volvos for more than 25 years. My new one is vely state-of-the-alt, gleat cal!!!


Jumping to conclusions, counselor.  I'm no apologist for the past administration, their position on Russia made no sense, so did most of its other policies, domestic and foreign.  I was merely implying that substituting China for them as the new bogeyman makes even less sense.  China didn't 'steal' US jobs, the US corporatocracy happily sent them there...the same one that's going to resist mightily any effort by Trump to pursue a trade war that affects their profits.

My comment was mainly aimed at Ari and he rose to the bait...with a link to the current administration's propaganda arm.

Now, can we consign politics to some other forum like the outpost cafe where it doesn't impinge on stuff that provides me a diversion from how screwed up the world is? 
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 4stringer77 on January 26, 2017, 03:14:29 PM
We're just trying to figure out if the new Epiphone basses will still be affordable come Summer. I think they still will be, Mexican basses on the other hand... on second thought I better  :-X
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: veebass on January 27, 2017, 12:06:49 PM
We're just trying to figure out if the new Epiphone basses will still be affordable come Summer. I think they still will be, Mexican basses on the other hand... on second thought I better  :-X

I can see the argument affecting MIM Fenders.
But with respect to Epiphone's it may not be as clear. Mightn't that depend on where they are built and shipped from and where they are going to?
Does anyone know whether Epi's bound for the non US parts of the world even go through the US? It would seem strange for the US government to apply punitive tariffs on goods made outside it's borders for sale outside it's borders. But hey, strange days indeed.
Do we know where the new TBirds are going to be built for sure? The discussion seems to be China. Doesn't Epiphone still build stuff in South Korea?
The other uncertainty, of course, is the CITES Dalbergia (Rosewood) issue.
Sadowsky has put info on his website that indicates they won't be shipping basses with Rosewood them for some months at least. There is also a reference to them being unsure as to whether they will be able to meet the requirements to export Rosewood even after they have the master permit.

https://sadowsky.com/a-note-on-the-export-of-instruments-containing-rosewood/ (https://sadowsky.com/a-note-on-the-export-of-instruments-containing-rosewood/)

I have just written to the Australian importer of Gibson brands.

Quote
I understand that Epiphone recently announced a number of new models for 2017 at NAMM. This included a Thunderbird Vintage Pro Bass, replacing the current Thunderbird Classic Pro, and an Embassy Pro Bass.
The information provided indicated availability from July 2017.

Are you able to advise when these new lines will be available in Australia?

Are you able to advise whether current uncertainty as to possible US tariff changes associated with production by US companies outside of the US would affect availability and price of these new lines in Australia?

Can you advise where these new lines will be manufactured?

Are you able to advise whether recent (1/1/17) changes to CITES affecting the international trade in Dalbergia (Rosewood) species would affect price and availability of these new lines in Australia?

Thank you for your time.

I will post any reply I may get.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on January 27, 2017, 12:41:50 PM
Since Gibson opened its own plant in China, almost all Epis are made there. I think there are very few exceptions, e.g. the Jack Casady bass is still MIK.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: veebass on January 27, 2017, 12:46:27 PM
Since Gibson opened its own plant in China, almost all Epis are made there. I think there are very few exceptions, e.g. the Jack Casady bass is still MIK.

Thanks, mate.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: pilgrim9 on January 27, 2017, 04:44:49 PM

 I ordered a white Bird from Sweetwater today   :-*
Hi, I want a black one! I called Sweetwater today and they did not know anything about these t birds. Who did you talk to or do you have an inside line at Sweetwater?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: eb2 on January 27, 2017, 11:08:12 PM
And I'm still wondering what we are overlooking with that Pro Vintage Thunderbird. They must have f•cked up somewhere?!

It's got the d-bag version jack.  Easy fix.  Also, no curvy tug bar, but easy fix.  Paint it all white and play Mott the Hoople.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Chris P. on January 28, 2017, 09:17:53 AM
Scroll up, mr. Pilgrim. Summer 2017, 2018 models.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on January 28, 2017, 02:56:35 PM
Scroll up, mr. Pilgrim. Summer 2017, 2018 models.

Mark said he ordered one from Sweetwater, so someone there must know about it even though it's not available yet.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Chris P. on January 29, 2017, 03:54:46 AM
I got my info, with prices, from a Gibson rep. So there is info. I guess they're producing and it will take some months between producing and shops.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on January 29, 2017, 12:11:54 PM
Maybe Mark will explain how he was able to order one.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: dadagoboi on January 29, 2017, 01:30:40 PM
Maybe Mark will explain how he was able to order one.

On TB he said Sweetwater hadn't heard about the new model but took his order anyway.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: ilan on January 31, 2017, 03:43:06 AM
That Century ABG looks awesome. Any idea what the street price will be?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 31, 2017, 03:47:19 AM
Suggested retail price is set at $1665. But that will not be street price of course.

Beautiful bass indeed.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: ilan on January 31, 2017, 10:34:14 AM
Googled and saw that L.A. Music lists the Masterbilt Century De Luxe Bass for ($1,419 CAD) US$1,088. 

Last bass I bought new was in 1979 (T40). Maybe it's time. It's the closest I'll get to Uwe's fretless Super 400 bass.

https://www.lamusic.com/collections/epiphone-masterbilt-century/products/etdbvnnh

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0956/3980/products/century_bass_grande.JPG)

Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on January 31, 2017, 03:12:03 PM
Thank you for the link.

They also advertise the new Embassy at 411 USD!
https://www.lamusic.com/collections/4-string-electric-bass/products/ebemdcnh


And the new Thunderbird at 656 USD!
https://www.lamusic.com/collections/4-string-electric-bass/products/ebtvtsnh
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on January 31, 2017, 07:16:07 PM
That's more like it.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: westen44 on February 01, 2017, 03:54:35 AM
^
Yes it is. 
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: veebass on May 09, 2017, 01:21:07 AM
Any further news on the availability of these?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Chris P. on May 09, 2017, 05:25:27 AM
I heard they will arrive in June or July.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on May 09, 2017, 05:45:56 AM

Sweetwater says early July.  ;D
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: bassilisk on June 21, 2017, 09:15:38 AM
Hearsay availability update:

Somebody over at TB posted yesterday that Sweetwater indicated the release date to be September vs July.

Just passing the buck.

Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on June 21, 2017, 09:22:46 AM


 Spoke with my Rep yesterday 6/20 he said still Mid July. He also said there is no Cherry finish, so mine is Alpine White.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: bassilisk on June 22, 2017, 03:53:32 AM
Sooner than later is always good! I'm in for a white one myself.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: RedVee on July 11, 2017, 09:06:09 PM
Any news on neck width on the Embassy ?
I did see somewhere that people thought they will be setneck.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on July 12, 2017, 06:59:26 AM
American Musical still shows the Embassy as expected July 18th and still shows all three finishes.

They show a pic of the back, no neck screws visible. Those pics could be mockups but I'd guess set neck.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: RedVee on July 12, 2017, 10:23:45 PM
Any news on neck width on the Embassy ?
I did see somewhere that people thought they will be setneck.

Found out... 1.625" and set neck
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: slinkp on July 13, 2017, 09:57:14 AM
Whoever guessed $600 USD for the T-bird was spot on.
Sweetwater's current listing:  $599
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EBTVAWNH?campaigntype=dsa&campaign=aaDSA&adgroup=984185277%3ADSA%2520-%2520Product&keyword=DSA%2520-%2520Product&placement=google&adpos=1o2&creative=175866237996&device=c&matchtype=b&network=g&gclid=CJ6cv-HbhtUCFdCCswodueEKaQ

Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: bassilisk on September 29, 2017, 04:17:00 AM
Just a head's up. A guy over at TB said Sweetwater called him yesterday and said his Embassy was on the truck.

All of you that ordered should be getting your goodies soon!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Granny Gremlin on September 29, 2017, 09:46:28 AM
I am starting to think I should sell my Victory to fund one of these birds.  Ain't no other way I'm getting one. ... I'd probably miss the Victory tho.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on September 29, 2017, 09:49:28 PM
I am starting to think I should sell my Victory to fund one of these birds.  Ain't no other way I'm getting one. ... I'd probably miss the Victory tho.

Don't do it!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Granny Gremlin on September 30, 2017, 07:51:34 AM
Don't worry, I don't think I could.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: gearHed289 on September 30, 2017, 08:16:41 AM
What Dave said!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Granny Gremlin on September 30, 2017, 10:48:33 AM
OK, OK; tragedy averted.  You guys really do care  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on October 02, 2017, 01:10:50 AM
Any of you fellow Outposters have the new Embassy yet? The first reviews are starting to pop up over at Talkbass.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on October 02, 2017, 07:13:52 AM
Selling a Victory is like selling a Peavey T-40, you just don't. Heavy but indestructible and a hidden classic.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Granny Gremlin on October 02, 2017, 01:33:13 PM
Look, I had a moment of weakness considering it.  Don't worry, it has passed.

here's another one I'ma never live down. :o
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on October 02, 2017, 03:00:51 PM
You heinous potential Victory alienator!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: patman on October 06, 2017, 07:32:55 AM
Has anyone purchased the Embassy yet?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: bassilisk on October 12, 2017, 03:37:24 PM
The Embassy's are showing up over at TB to rave reviews. Minor things i.e. loose pots easily corrected but overall fit and finish appear to be tip-top and the pickups are all the rage.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Stjofön Big on October 13, 2017, 04:35:44 AM
Anyone knows where to get the knobs for the new Embassy? The look just like the vintage ones, and I want to get a set of them.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: FrankieTbird on October 16, 2017, 01:15:58 PM
Anyone knows where to get the knobs for the new Embassy? The look just like the vintage ones, and I want to get a set of them.

So far, they seem to be impossible to get.  I bought a Wilshire reissue guitar just for the knobs.  I put reflector knobs on it and resold it for just a hair more than I paid, so I guess I did OK.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Thornton Davis on October 27, 2017, 04:26:04 PM
Got a call late this afternoon saying that my Ebony Thunderbird Vintage Pro has arrived and is ready to be picked up. I was shocked, I figured it was another 1-2 months away from arriving.

Going to go and get it on Sunday.

TD
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Granny Gremlin on October 27, 2017, 05:08:22 PM
Whoa, deja vu, dude (I had no idea you were in both places).
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Chris P. on October 28, 2017, 08:45:08 AM
I e-mailed the Dutch Gibson guys but no Tbird and Embassy here yet.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: westen44 on October 28, 2017, 09:47:40 AM
As of this moment, zZounds appears to have the dark cherry Embassy in stock. 
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: the mojo hobo on October 28, 2017, 10:38:46 AM
Sweetwater has them in all colors.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: westen44 on October 28, 2017, 11:20:37 AM
Sweetwater has them in all colors.

According to their site, they don't.  But I haven't called them.  Sweetwater is who I usually use, though.  I had planned to buy an Embassy, but decided not to a few weeks ago.  So I haven't bothered to call anyone. 
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: the mojo hobo on October 28, 2017, 11:43:56 AM
Yeah, I forgot they let you buy them before they get them.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Thornton Davis on October 29, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
Picked up my Epiphone Thunderbird Vintage Pro today. Here's a few pics of it.

(https://i.imgur.com/moSgT67.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fh1oa9b.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8vCn8zd.jpg)

TD
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on October 29, 2017, 01:53:31 PM
First impression?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Thornton Davis on October 29, 2017, 02:30:16 PM
First impression?

I'm impressed with it's overall fit and finish. Hardware appears to be high quality. Cutaway on the lower bout gives easy access to the 17th fret max, beyond that you may end up hurting yourself if you have to play up there. It weighed in at 9.2 lbs.

Sounds just like you'd expect it to, like a Thunderbird.

They're going to see a lot of these.

TD
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on October 29, 2017, 02:41:51 PM
Thank you.
Now I need one too... ;D
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: clankenstein on October 29, 2017, 07:08:37 PM
Aww man thats giving me G.A.S.!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on October 29, 2017, 09:07:08 PM
The medium price Epis I've seen recently have all had excellent finishes.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: ilan on October 30, 2017, 02:10:03 AM
Looks really good with all that chrome.

BTW how are the tuners? I have a similar looking Wilkinson set on a 1970 Fender P and I don't like them.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Highlander on October 30, 2017, 03:22:56 AM
I'm still curious how stable the neck is... we need someone with a sixties bird (or several) to do a comparison of the profiles... and someone willing to do the lateral-knock-test... a bit like crash-test-dummies... camera rolling, in slo-mo... :vader:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on October 30, 2017, 08:40:02 AM
Epi's hard poly finish ought to at least double the neck stability. It's not as bad as Fender's, but let's just say the wood in my Epi LP Standard is somewhat less than solid and it's still a tank.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 66Atlas on November 01, 2017, 07:31:46 AM
They sound better if they headstocks have been reattached anyway  ;D
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: uwe on November 21, 2017, 04:57:56 PM
They should deliver them with fold-back headstocks right from the start.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: gearHed289 on November 22, 2017, 08:38:03 AM
They should deliver them with fold-back headstocks right from the start.

Could be another "innovation" from Henry.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Highlander on November 22, 2017, 12:01:23 PM
... Supplied complete with pre-snapped neck... great marketing technique... :vader:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on November 28, 2017, 06:26:06 AM


 Well, they are finally shipping from Sweetwater today, so mine is about a week or so out right now. Just curious if anyone here has info on a European release schedule.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on November 29, 2017, 11:15:42 AM


 Sweetwater sent e a pic......

(https://i.imgur.com/ZStJBDN.jpg)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: FrankieTbird on November 29, 2017, 11:36:31 AM

 Sweetwater sent e a pic......

That's pretty cool.  If only they were making a II.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on November 29, 2017, 12:09:43 PM
That's pretty cool.  If only they were making a II.

 Time will tell!  I'd love that, I'll take one each in Pelham Blue and Inverness Green please.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: lowend1 on November 29, 2017, 03:53:02 PM
AMS got their first load, but mine wasn't shipped. And so I wait... :sad:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on November 29, 2017, 09:04:43 PM
I can't see them making a II. Demand seems to be high, they'll run with what's successful.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: slinkp on November 29, 2017, 09:19:42 PM
Yep. If the flyguitars site is correct, Gibson hasn't made a reverse-body II since 1965.  They sold only a few hundred of them fifty years ago. So why would Epiphone expect to sell many IIs today? 
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: FrankieTbird on November 30, 2017, 07:26:27 AM

I highly doubt they'll make a T-bird II, at least not in my lifetime.  I just wish they would.

Gibson did make a few reverse II's in the early '80s, ask Uwe.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: slinkp on November 30, 2017, 11:17:01 AM
Early 80s?  Wacky!  With which pickups? ... 76ers?   :o
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: doombass on November 30, 2017, 01:22:16 PM
Yes, and look no further than this very forum of course.  ;D

http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=4850.0 (http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=4850.0)

(http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4850.0;attach=1135;image)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on November 30, 2017, 01:34:55 PM
Yes, and look no further than this very forum of course.  ;D

http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=4850.0 (http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=4850.0)

(http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4850.0;attach=1135;image)


 That bass make me SO SPROINKY!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Denis on November 30, 2017, 06:29:17 PM
That new Epi looks terrific!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on December 01, 2017, 09:16:23 PM

 That bass make me SO SPROINKY!

Must be the chrome, right?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on December 02, 2017, 12:07:05 PM
Must be the chrome, right?
 

 The single pick up too, Thunderbird II's are the SEX BOMB! 
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on December 02, 2017, 01:44:41 PM
I'm a sucker for neck pickups only too.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 4stringer77 on December 02, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
I'm a sucker for neck pickups only too.
Rob's got a good one in the works.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Alanko on December 02, 2017, 01:57:18 PM
I'm a sucker for neck pickups only too.

Like a good P bass.  ;)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on December 02, 2017, 01:59:52 PM
Or an EB-0.  8)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Highlander on December 02, 2017, 04:42:09 PM
Or an RD I know... :vader:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on December 03, 2017, 03:47:21 AM
The release of the Epiphone Vintage Pro Thunderbird has been postponed in Europe. New release date is  2 - 5 february 2018...
Maybe they can't handle the demand?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Alanko on December 03, 2017, 06:14:13 AM
The release of the Epiphone Vintage Pro Thunderbird has been postponed in Europe. New release date is  2 - 5 february 2018...

This is why the UK voted for Brexit. We all get our Thunderbirds next week. LOL.  :sad:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Granny Gremlin on December 03, 2017, 07:37:05 AM
I'm a sucker for neck pickups only too.

What neck pickup?

...Oh Alanko beat me to the punch on that one. ...Wait, I'm not actually sure what he was going for there.

Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on December 03, 2017, 07:49:04 AM
This is why the UK voted for Brexit. We all get our Thunderbirds next week. LOL.  :sad:

I don't think so Alan. I found it on a british site (www.gear4music.com)
https://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Epiphone-Thunderbird-Vintage-Pro-Electric-Bass-Alpine-White/1X0O
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: lowend1 on December 03, 2017, 09:16:35 AM
The release of the Epiphone Vintage Pro Thunderbird has been postponed in Europe. New release date is  2 - 5 february 2018...
Maybe they can't handle the demand?

They keep postponing it here in the US as well. A few have trickled out, but everything else says "Expected Soon" or has a date sometime in late December. Sunburst appears to be lagging behind the others. I know for a fact that my vendor got a small shipment in (could have been only one), and somehow it didn't show up at my door. When I called to inquire about the VP initially, they weren't even aware of it. Maybe an employee snaked it before the order got filled, who knows?
This stuff is par for the course with Epiphone, though. A couple of years back, I ordered a Epi LP Traditional Pro in limited run Desert Burst with a flame maple top. Original due date was in Nov of that year, but it didn't show up until January of the new year. Talk about a slow boat from China...
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Alanko on December 03, 2017, 09:45:46 AM
...Wait, I'm not actually sure what he was going for there.

Just mildly stirring the pot by suggesting a TB-II might be on par with a good P bass.  :mrgreen:

I don't think so Alan. I found it on a british site

Nah I didn't think so either, but it is the sort of vacuous noise you hear from the pro-Brexit crowd all the time. Spitfires will once again climb high into the sky over Kent and The Special Relationship will mean we get first bite at US-made/shipped goods before the rest of the EU. Again, LOL!
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on December 03, 2017, 11:49:38 AM
For those who didn't see it on FB, some vaguely familiar looking guy  ;)  uploaded this video. 

https://youtu.be/FdYFdkVp0iI

Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Granny Gremlin on December 03, 2017, 12:02:43 PM
Well that seals it for me. If it's got the Scott seal of approval then it's the real deal. So not good because it's amped up the gas.

Alanko, I see. Then my point stands; neither a TB II,nor a P have a neck pickup.

Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: OldManC on December 03, 2017, 01:42:55 PM
Great mini-review. I know what my next bass will be now.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: FrankieTbird on December 04, 2017, 03:03:19 PM

Now I'm pissed off that I bought the Classic-IV PRO. 

 >:(


Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: 4stringer77 on December 05, 2017, 10:09:21 AM
Ha, before the vintage pro came out, the Classic pro was touted as the best bird deal going with it's American made electronics everyone raved about before they apparently instantly turned in to complete garbage once the China buckers replaced them. At least you can make up for it now by holding out until Epiphone starts making vintage pros with even cooler custom finishes like Inverness green, frost blue, heather mist and so on.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: slinkp on December 05, 2017, 12:16:21 PM
Funny. I'm sure someday the Classic IV will (again?) be regarded as highly desirable among the cognoscenti...

I'm old enough to remember people talking about how "bad" the Fender instruments of the era were (late 70s).  Now a beat-up 1979 P goes for $2k on reverb while a brand-new American Standard P is little more than half that. And it's not like seventies Fenders are rare. They just got old, and thus "vintage", and thus better. Wonder if that will apply to current Epiphone models someday.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Highlander on December 05, 2017, 02:57:01 PM
... until Epiphone starts making vintage pros with even cooler custom finishes like Inverness green, frost blue, heather mist and so on.

Inverness Green... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: clankenstein on December 05, 2017, 05:01:55 PM
Quote
Inverness Green... :mrgreen:
+1.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on December 05, 2017, 09:01:21 PM
Funny. I'm sure someday the Classic IV will (again?) be regarded as highly desirable among the cognoscenti...

I'm old enough to remember people talking about how "bad" the Fender instruments of the era were (late 70s).  Now a beat-up 1979 P goes for $2k on reverb while a brand-new American Standard P is little more than half that. And it's not like seventies Fenders are rare. They just got old, and thus "vintage", and thus better. Wonder if that will apply to current Epiphone models someday.

We're probably at least half a century away from any Chinese guitars being considered "vintage" valuable in that sense. American guitars and basses still have a cachet that isn't matched by other American-made goods.

You have to like these for what they are now. From the demos I've heard, they're a lot of bass for the money.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Basvarken on December 06, 2017, 01:08:52 AM
I think they will be up there with the JCS.
The demand must already be overwhelming, since they've postponed the release twice...
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: lowend1 on December 06, 2017, 05:38:58 AM
I still feel that the Thunderbird's "niche" status does not warrant the coexistence of both the VP and the CIVP at virtually the same price point. Unlike iterations of SGs, Les Pauls and P or J basses, the VP is not simply a repurposing of the existing Thunderbird husk with upgraded hardware. It is, in fact, the "faithful" execution of the vintage TBird format and dimensions - headstock, cutaway and all - that a lot of us have been clamoring for - and we are the niche dwellers, after all. However, the Classic IVs that are already in the pipeline will need to be disseminated before going full tilt with production/distribution of the new model, IMHO. There has been no price drop on the CIVP as yet (that I've noticed) to send it the way of the dodo, so I would think that the flow of VPs will remain a trickle until all the holiday "need it now" gift shoppers have been cleared out by selling them the CVIP.
This is not to disparage the Classic IV Pro. It is an excellent instrument - mine will likely remain a "go to" for gigging even after my VP (finally) arrives.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on December 06, 2017, 10:57:45 AM


 Mine showed yesterday, got a little time in with it last night, pretty nice bass! 

 (https://i.imgur.com/CPYCq3d.jpg)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Chris P. on December 06, 2017, 01:29:09 PM
Nice! I guess the case is an extra?
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on December 06, 2017, 02:35:43 PM
Nice! I guess the case is an extra?

  ;D 

Yes Chris, I' didn't order a case as I have quite a few, that's a spare Gibson Blackbird case. 
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: lowend1 on December 06, 2017, 09:06:29 PM
  ;D 

Yes Chris, I' didn't order a case as I have quite a few, that's a spare Gibson Blackbird case.

It fit? I read somewhere that the VP was too long for the case that holds the "small" headstock basses. I know the Epi part number is different for the VP case.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: TBird1958 on December 07, 2017, 06:35:34 AM
It fit? I read somewhere that the VP was too long for the case that holds the "small" headstock basses. I know the Epi part number is different for the VP case.

 No problem with it fitting that case, there's a little less distance between the tip of the head stock and the body is pretty snug in the cutout (which I think is a good thing).
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: doombass on December 07, 2017, 10:18:24 AM
I use a Blackbird case for my Bicentennial. It works really well and has the same snug body fit.
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: slinkp on December 07, 2017, 10:23:53 PM
Man. I really do not need another bass but ... that white one...   
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Granny Gremlin on December 08, 2017, 08:04:28 AM
I know right!  /giddy teen
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Dave W on December 08, 2017, 10:37:11 AM
Since when did need have anything to do with it?

(http://i.imgur.com/qXGQZKJ.gif) (https://imgur.com/qXGQZKJ)
Title: Re: NAMM update from Chris (Embassy and Tbird content)
Post by: Chris P. on December 08, 2017, 10:49:30 AM
The Dutch Gibson Showroom has the Embassy available. I'll check one this week for the magazine.