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Title: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: ilan on September 03, 2016, 09:07:59 AM
The post on RIC's fb page (https://www.facebook.com/ricguitars/posts/1108826119201038) says "NOT a one-off!" and "They're coming" and "more details to follow". They even changed the cover photo to a matte black headstock with laser engraved TRC. In the comments they hint that the color scheme will be used on other RIC guitars also.

The pics show sort of a matte Shadow. Matte black with black hardware and black/checkerboard binding, and dot inlays. Unfinished and unbound Macassar ebony board. Vintage style knobs.

(https://fbcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/14202731_1108814345868882_3423674546330885800_n.jpg?oh=1af84612a1ad5377d1966fc728c5c9af&oe=58861659&__gda__=1481432306_1a298d484fe4b1bce98d5926e76ff1e5)(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14192762_1108814342535549_3423689529702035435_n.jpg?oh=2336e708e7375fe9872334f5699620dc&oe=587E6F84)(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/14192537_1108814349202215_8099203502969103559_n.jpg?oh=1caca7c2e73f30b180dafaccd475f2b6&oe=5882EE20&__gda__=1480679754_e557395f9422e5b496b1ed84e2ac1da3)(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14086200_1104918776258439_3909545052154992357_o.jpg)
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Bert on September 03, 2016, 09:16:10 AM
Very nice. :-)

I wonder if it got some inspiration from this one:

(http://blaat.net/bass/plaatjes/800/full-fr-4003-fl.jpg)

(picture is a little too blueish.)
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Dave W on September 03, 2016, 11:49:09 AM
It's beautiful, and it's bound (pun intended) to be expensive.  What really surprised me was the "not a one-off."
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Bert on September 03, 2016, 11:59:22 AM
Is it me, or does the neckwidth really look reasonably (small).
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Highlander on September 03, 2016, 12:05:03 PM
Gorgeous... but I dread to hear the price... :o
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: ilan on September 03, 2016, 12:31:47 PM
Matte finishes are a cost-cutting measure and should be priced less than high gloss. Like Fender's Highway 1 or Gibson's "Faded". 
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Basvarken on September 03, 2016, 01:05:19 PM
Best looking Ric I have ever seen.
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Highlander on September 04, 2016, 12:19:25 AM
... Matte finishes are a cost-cutting measure ...

Doesn't work that way with cars...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Alanko on September 04, 2016, 09:33:18 AM
(http://www.carcleaningguru.com/files/2012/07/makita-9227cb-polisher.jpg)

Fixed!

Quite a cool finish, but reminds me of the Gibson 'Goth' range. Maybe not quite the best time for it?
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Dave W on September 04, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Matte finishes are a cost-cutting measure and should be priced less than high gloss. Like Fender's Highway 1 or Gibson's "Faded".

Not necessarily. Those were quick and easy one or two-step finishes designed to cut labor costs, but a matte finish can be multi-step and labor-intensive (as with cars, as Ken says). The topcoat has a flatting agent added to prevent it from becoming glossed. We don't know yet what Ric is doing, but somehow I doubt they would skimp on the finish to cut costs.

Regardless, we know that the checkerboard binding will add quite a bit to the price.
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Highlander on September 04, 2016, 11:20:03 PM
The nonsense with cars (so I've heard) is that you mus'n't "clean" them, as you would a normal finish, as this would give the matte finish a "shine", as per Alanko's post... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Alanko on September 05, 2016, 04:16:49 AM
I've seen a few cars with that flat finish, and always wondered how you clean them. Do you have to use detailing clay to remove dirt? Presumably you run the risk of shining up areas if you aren't careful, and I imagine door handles end up glossy anyway?

I guess the same will happen to the Ricks eventually around playing areas. A few of my Fenders past and present had satin-finished necks that either turned glossy over time or I buffed them out myself.
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: uwe on September 06, 2016, 10:12:39 AM
Stealthenbacker - now you see it, now you don't. Probably commissioned by the Israel Army.  :popcorn: (Sorry, Ilan, couldn't resist!)
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: 66Atlas on September 06, 2016, 10:48:31 AM
I love those Cheerio looking inlays.
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: ilan on September 06, 2016, 01:31:27 PM
Stealthenbacker - now you see it, now you don't. Probably commissioned by the Israel Army.  :popcorn: (Sorry, Ilan, couldn't resist!)
The real camouflage bass is a Fender Jazz. Blends in the background to the point where you are indistinguishable from the zillion other J players around you. This is why a J clone is the IDF standard-issue bass.
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Alanko on September 07, 2016, 01:55:16 AM
Does it come with a special 'Iron Dome' protective hard shell case?
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: gearHed289 on September 07, 2016, 08:13:01 AM
The real camouflage bass is a Fender Jazz. Blends in the background to the point where you are indistinguishable from the zillion other J players around you. This is why a J clone is the IDF standard-issue bass.

 :rimshot: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: the mojo hobo on September 07, 2016, 02:37:05 PM
I would like it even better without the binding.
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Alanko on September 08, 2016, 02:46:15 AM
(http://www.hho4free.com/images/acetone.jpg)

Problem solved!
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: slinkp on September 08, 2016, 10:08:41 AM
I like it. It's not easy to make something as iconic/classic as a Rick look simultaneously brazenly modern and different, yet retain 100% of its instant recognizability.  It could have ended up looking just all wrong, but I think they nailed it.
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: uwe on September 08, 2016, 11:37:52 AM
Bit man-o-whorish, uhum, ... -warish, ain't it? Goes together well with assless chaps 'n' such.  8)

It's a good-looking Ric alright.
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Granny Gremlin on September 08, 2016, 02:02:18 PM
It is sexy as hell.  In the promo pic I saw of it elsewhere last week the fretboard was much more obviously laquered, which is a show stopper for me.
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Dave W on September 08, 2016, 09:50:12 PM
Bit man-o-whorish, uhum, ... -warish, ain't it? Goes together well with assless chaps 'n' such.  8)

It's a good-looking Ric alright.

You're the expert on assless chaps, aren't you?  :mrgreen:  Isn't that what you planned to wear when you bought that bright green Dean, or whatever it was?

No, this bass is classy and tasteful. You will need to dress properly.
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Granny Gremlin on September 09, 2016, 06:35:41 AM
And by properly you mean boots, jean cuttoffs, a mostly open shirt and copious facial hair?
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: uwe on September 09, 2016, 12:14:51 PM
I have no regrets over my Dean Dimebag Flying-V at all, Sir! It's my best-sounding Flying V!
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: ilan on September 09, 2016, 01:29:18 PM
RIC just posted this pic on their fb page (https://www.facebook.com/ricguitars/photos/a.236064636477195.57331.235019996581659/1115792135171103/?type=1&theater) - "4003 NOIR set to ship" -

(https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlp1/v/t1.0-0/p296x100/14203105_1115792135171103_1485946153120787955_n.jpg?oh=3a7d42857bd81cba0f935d6bbbe81448&oe=583CE10B&__gda__=1485141491_09d15e1c05e30b4f375c2fc0738bbf0e)
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Highlander on September 09, 2016, 01:50:48 PM
No, this bass is classy and tasteful. You will need to dress properly.

Tux for a Tux bass... camo for a stealth bass...? :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New from RIC? Matte black / BT / checkerboard "NOT a one-off"
Post by: Dave W on September 09, 2016, 08:35:55 PM
And by properly you mean boots, jean cuttoffs, a mostly open shirt and copious facial hair?

Tux for a Tux bass... camo for a stealth bass...? :mrgreen:

No, and no.  :P

All I meant was that it should involve pants. With a seat.  :)
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25
Post by: Highlander on September 10, 2016, 01:07:43 PM
Sorry Dave, just didn't think I could get quite this lucky...  :mrgreen:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/Brasilikilt/Iainkilt2.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/Brasilikilt/media/Iainkilt2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25
Post by: Dave W on September 10, 2016, 02:11:52 PM
As long as it keeps him from playing bagpipes, it's good.  :)
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25
Post by: Highlander on September 10, 2016, 11:24:38 PM
Rather stupidly only just spotted the header change... only going to be 25 of them...?

Are there Ric collectors like some folks with some brands in our parish, i.e. completists...?
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25
Post by: ilan on September 11, 2016, 01:05:31 AM
only going to be 25 of them...?

Based on this -
http://www.swingcitymusic.com/shop/rickenbacker-4003-noire-limited-1-25/

$2,699
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: godofthunder on September 11, 2016, 07:03:00 AM
    I like it sort of, I wish they brought back the checkerboard binding on a more traditional finish.
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: Dave W on September 11, 2016, 05:13:43 PM
Not a bad list price at all.
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25
Post by: uwe on September 15, 2016, 06:07:49 AM
Rather stupidly only just spotted the header change... only going to be 25 of them...?

Are there Ric collectors like some folks with some brands in our parish, i.e. completists...?

No, we keep completists out. And the worst completist of them all is the fin-completist!!!
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: Highlander on September 15, 2016, 11:32:44 AM
Collecting for fins is sins, ya...?

It wood be a cold day in the hot place before anyone wood ever accuse you of such sins... not sure about "would" though... ;)
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25
Post by: Dave W on September 15, 2016, 07:15:41 PM

Are there Ric collectors like some folks with some brands in our parish, i.e. completists...?

http://www.rickbeat.com/ -- check out the Gallery section
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: Highlander on September 16, 2016, 03:03:44 PM
Ah... I may be gone some time... ;)
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: Happy Face on August 09, 2017, 07:13:12 AM
I looked at one of theses in Tokyo last week. I was not blown away by it. Especially the pseudo-binding. 




Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: Dave W on August 09, 2017, 05:04:33 PM
I looked at one of theses in Tokyo last week. I was not blown away by it. Especially the pseudo-binding.

It's not real checkerboard binding?
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: Happy Face on August 10, 2017, 07:03:16 AM
There were a series of white dashes on the face (a quarter inch in from the edge) rather than a classic checkerboard binding.

I should have photographed it.
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: Paul Boyer on August 10, 2017, 07:37:15 AM
The Noir has checker binding inside black outer binding. It is not set in "a quarter inch" and is not just a painted or printed pattern. But the white checks surrounded by the black outer binding satin black finish overall may give the impression it is further inset depending on the perspective of your view. There's a closeup of the upper body of a Noir on page 141 of the new 2nd edition of my book.
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: gearHed289 on August 10, 2017, 08:11:12 AM
I like the checkerboard with the black outer binding. Like a 4002.

(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/2/1/0/5/5/4/webimg/482395715_tp.jpg)
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: Happy Face on August 11, 2017, 09:17:19 AM
The Noir has checker binding inside black outer binding. It is not set in "a quarter inch" and is not just a painted or printed pattern. But the white checks surrounded by the black outer binding satin black finish overall may give the impression it is further inset depending on the perspective of your view. There's a closeup of the upper body of a Noir on page 141 of the new 2nd edition of my book.

Thanks. That makes sense. That said, it looked sorta cheesy to me. I think the Shadow looks a little better and the Blackstar way better.   

But what do I know?    :-\

Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: Jeff Scott on August 11, 2017, 09:26:57 AM
Thanks. That makes sense. That said, it looked sorta cheesy to me. I think the Shadow looks a little better and the Blackstar way better.   

But what do I know?    :-\
Perhaps it's the satin/matte finish that is throwing you for a loop?
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: Happy Face on August 11, 2017, 10:52:15 AM
That, but mostly the look of the binding. I was not tempted to try it out.

If I were in a metal band, I'd probably feel differently. But maybe I'd opt for the well lower priced Epiphone Nikki Sixx bass!

Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: ilan on August 12, 2017, 01:05:17 AM
I think the Shadow looks a little better
I think so too but the binding looks the same. It's noticeable from some distance, when a Fireglo w/CB from 20 feet looks like plain white binding.
Title: Re: New from RIC - 4003 NOIR - Limited Edition of 25, $2.7K
Post by: Bert on August 13, 2017, 02:03:17 AM
Owning both a Shadow and a Blackstar I somehow feel I should own one of these too. But not at current price and probably not at current neck-width. ;-)